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| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: good morning sir! | 06:50 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: I wonder could you take another look at https://review.openstack.org/94044 ? | 06:50 |
| eglynn | SergeyLukjanov: jeblair agreed with PTLs last night to change naming of specs repos from {project}-specs to {program}-specs | 06:50 |
| eglynn | jd__: good morning sir! | 06:57 |
| eglynn | jd__: this is almost certainly the *last* thing you want to hear first thing in the morning ;) | 06:58 |
| eglynn | ... but I wonder could you take another crack at wordsmithing the ceilo incubation requirements patch? | 06:58 |
| eglynn | i.e. https://review.openstack.org/85978 | 06:58 |
| eglynn | (came up in the TC meeting last night) | 06:58 |
| eglynn | jd__: ... or alternatively I could take a crack at it? | 07:03 |
| eglynn | ... to free you up to do *real* work ;) | 07:03 |
| eglynn | ... whatever works | 07:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88714 | 07:34 |
| jd__ | eglynn: yup | 07:34 |
| eglynn | jd__: thank you sir! | 07:35 |
| eglynn | jd__: (... feel free to punt it my way otherwise) | 07:35 |
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| eglynn | jd__: thanks again! :) | 07:55 |
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| zhikunliu | :gordc, ping | 15:37 |
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| gordc | zhikunliu: hi, whatsup? | 15:38 |
| zhikunliu | gordc: :), are you fixing bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1321080? | 15:39 |
| zhikunliu | gordc: just want to say I'd like to do anything helpful (testing, code review etc..) | 15:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Remove unused db code due to api v1 drop https://review.openstack.org/93829 | 15:47 |
| gordc | zhikunliu: sorry about delay. on a call. i think we have it resolved but will ping you if anything. | 15:48 |
| zhikunliu | gordc: no problem. That's great. Thank you very much! | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ... on the subject of that -1 | 16:03 |
| cdent | yessir? | 16:03 |
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| eglynn | cdent: ... just some thoughts for your consideration appended on https://review.openstack.org/94325 | 16:04 |
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| cdent | thanks | 16:05 |
| eglynn | ... unrelated, but how does the latest proposed compromise wording of the mission statement register with the cdent flowery-meter? ;) | 16:07 |
| eglynn | (... embedded in an inline comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87526/4/reference/programs.yaml , in response to devananda) | 16:07 |
| eglynn | ... everytime I propose a new version in response to feedback, the wording gets more awkward | 16:08 |
| cdent | :) | 16:08 |
| eglynn | ... soon it'll be totally unintelligible I fear ;) | 16:08 |
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| eglynn | ... a horse designed by committee | 16:09 |
| cdent | I'm assuming a goal is to remain at once sentence? | 16:10 |
| cdent | one | 16:10 |
| eglynn | cdent: yeah, I was hoping to keep it to a single sentence | 16:11 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... as per what seems to be the "house style" | 16:11 |
| cdent | there's another grammar error: it goes from "to collect" to "persisting", "triggering" | 16:11 |
| cdent | More collect would be to collect, persist and trigger | 16:12 |
| cdent | correct! | 16:12 |
| * cdent struggles to type | 16:12 | |
| eglynn | cdent: ... as I said yesterday, us Irish folks can claim non-native-speaker status ;) | 16:13 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... which give us an all purpose get-outta-grammar-jail card | 16:14 |
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| cdent | seems fair | 16:14 |
| cdent | which particular concern is being covered by using both "consumption of" and "activity levels on"? Doesn't each imply the other? | 16:15 |
| eglynn | cdent: the intent was ... | 16:17 |
| eglynn | "consumption of" == "cdent spins up an instance" | 16:17 |
| eglynn | "activity levels on" == "CPU util spikes on that instance when cdent's blog gets a tonne of hits" | 16:18 |
| cdent | This removes most of the apparent redundancies: Ceilometer's mission is to reliably collect measurements of the virutal and physical resources comprising deployed clouds, persist these data for aggregation and retrieval, and trigger actions when configured thresholds are crossed. | 16:18 |
| cdent | But presumably that doesn't satisfy the concerns which have been presented. | 16:19 |
| eglynn | given the number of times we have circular arguments that start with ... "doesn't ceilo just do billing?" | 16:20 |
| cdent | :) | 16:20 |
| cdent | Is the intent of the mission statement to allow the project to broaden scope or to install a constraint for the future? | 16:20 |
| eglynn | seems crucial to me that the mission statement covers both measurement of ... | 16:21 |
| eglynn | (a) who is doing what to which resources in the cloud | 16:21 |
| eglynn | and ... | 16:21 |
| eglynn | (b) how much "stuff" is happening on those resources | 16:21 |
| cdent | The statement, in the various iterations I've seen thus far, hasn't made it very clear that there is consumption of consumables and there is activity | 16:22 |
| cdent | activity could be considered as a type of consumption | 16:23 |
| eglynn | cdent: WRT to question on intent ... | 16:23 |
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| eglynn | cdent: intent isn't to broaden beyond 1. the current reality, and 2. the generic measurement (as opposed to metering) mandate that the TC agreed to back when ceilo graduated | 16:24 |
| * cdent thinks | 16:24 | |
| eglynn | cdent: on the consumption of consumables ... | 16:25 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... the original language had "utilization" | 16:25 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... in the sense of "to make use of something" | 16:26 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... that wasn't liked | 16:26 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... if you you a better synonym in mind, please shout | 16:26 |
| eglynn | cdent: if you *have | 16:27 |
| * eglynn loses the ability to type also | 16:27 | |
| eglynn | ... it must be catching ;) | 16:28 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/91238 | 16:28 |
| * cdent is still thinking (with the help of chocolate chip biscuits) | 16:30 | |
| cdent | I have another question: How much does it _really_ matter? | 16:30 |
| eglynn | carbs fuel the brain | 16:30 |
| eglynn | cdent: it matters that ... | 16:31 |
| eglynn | (a) we land something (as this was mandated by the TC in the recent gap analysis) | 16:31 |
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| eglynn | (b) that something reflect current reality | 16:31 |
| eglynn | and (c) that something doesn't unduely constrain us into the future | 16:31 |
| eglynn | ... other than that /me would far prefer to be doing *real* work as opposed to wordsmithing ;) | 16:32 |
| eglynn | the bar I believe is 7 +1s and no -1 from sitting TC members | 16:34 |
| eglynn | currently has five, maybe I should just go forth and canvass for another two votes to put this to bed in the current version | 16:35 |
| * eglynn should have bought TC members more beer in Atlanta | 16:36 | |
| cdent | let me take another quick stab at it to see if it tickles anything: | 16:36 |
| * eglynn should have bought TC members *some* beer in Atlanta ;) | 16:36 | |
| eglynn | cdent: k | 16:36 |
| cdent | To reliably collect and aggregate measurements of the consumption of and activity on the virtual and physical resources comprising deployed clouds for subsequent retrieval and triggering of actions when configured thresholds are crossed. | 16:39 |
| eglynn | solves the infinitive+gerund grammatical nit, but says pretty much the same thing, right? | 16:40 |
| cdent | I _think_ so | 16:40 |
| cdent | it seems to rather hide the notion of billing though, but that may be implied | 16:41 |
| eglynn | well the consumption data potentially *feeds* billing, but we don't and won't address billing itself directly | 16:42 |
| eglynn | so that aspect is fine IMO | 16:42 |
| eglynn | k, thanks for that ... I'll keep that form of words in mind if I do have to go back to the well for another roundtrip | 16:42 |
| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch SplitResult to use six https://review.openstack.org/94674 | 16:42 |
| * eglynn jealously guards the five +1s for now ... | 16:43 | |
| * cdent nods | 16:43 | |
| cdent | In your version at least it is possible to pause for breath. | 16:44 |
| eglynn | ... at the cost of a plague of commas ;) | 16:44 |
| cdent | IME all mission statements are run ons | 16:44 |
| eglynn | "run ons"? | 16:44 |
| * eglynn consults urban dictionary ... | 16:45 | |
| cdent | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run-on_sentence | 16:45 |
| eglynn | cdent: thanks ... wikipedia always knows best :) | 16:45 |
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| cdent | They've done a very good job of putting lots of run ons in that page. | 16:46 |
| eglynn | cdent: ... the Iron Law of Nitpicking clearly applied in that case ;) | 16:46 |
| cdent | performance art has found a new gallery in wikipedia | 16:47 |
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| yatin | Hello Folks | 17:53 |
| yatin | i'm new to ceilometer, and want to contribute to it | 17:53 |
| yatin | i have gone through architecture guide, I have one simple question | 17:54 |
| yatin | in case i want to send email for specific meter/sample, where do i send it from? | 17:55 |
| yatin | from dispacher or alarm-notifier? | 17:55 |
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| yatin | *dispatcher | 17:57 |
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| cmart | Hello.. Does anyone have an example of a query that we could use for the alarm-list command ? The alarm-list help command doesn't help too much :S | 19:33 |
| cmart | for instance: $ceilometer alarm-list --query enabled=True or smth like that? | 19:33 |
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| cmart | got it! It should be: ceilometer alarm-list --q "enabled=boolean::True" | 19:43 |
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| erecio | sdf | 20:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: switch SplitResult to use six https://review.openstack.org/94674 | 21:49 |
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| eglynn | amalagon_: o/ | 22:36 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... all good? | 22:36 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... feel free to holler if you need anything | 22:37 |
| * eglynn is not cool enough to write "holla" in IRC ;) | 22:37 | |
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| amalagon_ | hey eglynn! | 22:42 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: hey! | 22:42 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... just checking in with you, that all is well? | 22:42 |
| amalagon_ | eglynn: all is well, I've been doing a lot of reading, but I wanted to try testing out gnocchi; is it is simple as cloning the repo and running it? | 22:44 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... yeah, should be | 22:44 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... tox should take of installing the direct dependencies | 22:44 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... but you will need a swift allinone install as well if you want to make it do anything useful | 22:45 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: (... i.e. as the only storage option currently is, IIUC, pandas TimeSeries serialized out to swift) | 22:46 |
| amalagon_ | eglynn: hm, good point - I don't think I have swift enabled right now so will add that to the .conf file | 22:46 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... prolly the easiest thing to do is to spin up a fresh devstack in a VM (including swift) | 22:46 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... i.e something like "enable_service s-proxy s-object s-container s-account" in your devstack/localrc file | 22:48 |
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| eglynn | amalagon_: ... BTW I took the liberty of mentioning to jd__ that you were doing a little investigation/learning with pandas and influx | 22:49 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: (... jd__ is driving the v3/gnocchi work) | 22:50 |
| amalagon_ | eglynn: thanks! (for line about localrc and letting jd know)! any suggestions/comments on his end? | 22:51 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... one other thing to note ... sometime soon (hopefully) this patch will land https://review.openstack.org/93465 and gnocchi will be promoted to stackforge | 22:51 |
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| eglynn | amalagon_: still there? ... seemed like a net-split just now | 22:53 |
| amalagon_ | eglynn: still here ~ reading the review | 22:53 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: on your "any comments" question ... he reckoned your statistical/numerical expertise will be useful | 22:54 |
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| eglynn | amalagon_: ... don't worry about the detail of that infra patch, very specific to the particular magic used to spin up & keep track of new repos by the infra group | 22:55 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... but the fact that it's moving (soon hopefully) is good to be aware of | 22:56 |
| amalagon_ | eglynn: yeah; about influxdb, is there an easy way of testing that with gnocchi? | 22:57 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: no not as yet | 22:57 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: infux is a separate thing, that would need to be layered under the v3 API | 22:57 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: probably as a "pluggable driver" in gnocchi | 22:57 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... so the thing for now is to think about how the models are similar/different | 22:58 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... whether there is a major divergence between the semantics of influx, versus what gnocchi is shaping up to be | 22:59 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: ... on that point, I'll forward you on a mail thread shortly, containing some high-level discussion with Paul Dix (the main Influx contributor) | 23:00 |
| amalagon_ | eglynn: thanks! | 23:01 |
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| amalagon_ | eglynn: back in 10 mins | 23:06 |
| eglynn | amalagon_: cool | 23:07 |
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