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| barney_ | is this the correct forum for devstack ?> | 00:35 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, I love that patch! | 01:07 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56333/8 makes me so happy, I could dnace | 01:07 |
| ayoung | dance | 01:07 |
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| gyee_ | ayoung, ha | 01:09 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, one thing is, we should try to keep authorization.py clkean of any internal keystone API calls | 01:10 |
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| gyee_ | ayoung, I have one more coming, mapping SSL cert to auth | 01:10 |
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| ayoung | the idea is that this is moving toward code for other projects to use | 01:10 |
| ayoung | and...some of the token_api calls make me worried that doing so will be hard | 01:10 |
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| gyee_ | ayoung, agreed, we should have the authorization code in one place | 01:11 |
| gyee_ | there's room for performance improvement there too | 01:11 |
| ayoung | gyee_, I think it is OK if we have some WSGI binding code in eihter wsgi.py or controller.py | 01:11 |
| ayoung | and that code can be keystone server specific | 01:11 |
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| ayoung | ie. do whatever lookups are necessary | 01:11 |
| ayoung | then pass it along to the authorization.py file for the logic check | 01:12 |
| ayoung | but... | 01:12 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56333/8/keystone/common/authorization.py line 1000 | 01:12 |
| ayoung | 100 rather | 01:12 |
| ayoung | gyee_, can we do something about that? | 01:12 |
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| gyee_ | you mean just pass the roles into authorization? | 01:13 |
| ayoung | what would, say, Nova have to do to have the same logic? | 01:13 |
| ayoung | gyee_, yeah, | 01:13 |
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| ayoung | what do we have in there, roles by id? | 01:13 |
| ayoung | and we need to covert them to roles by name? | 01:13 |
| gyee_ | no, just role names | 01:13 |
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| gyee_ | policy engine only understand role names at this point | 01:14 |
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| gyee_ | though we can easily make it work with role IDs | 01:14 |
| ayoung | no, names are the right abstraction | 01:14 |
| gyee_ | yeah, easier to comprehend too | 01:15 |
| ayoung | so we should do something like build an in memory map and look up the names from the ids | 01:15 |
| ayoung | something like the dogpile caching | 01:15 |
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| morganfainberg | huh dogpile | 01:15 |
| ayoung | and auth_token middleware could do the same thing with a call to get_roles | 01:15 |
| morganfainberg | i heard dogpile | 01:15 |
| gyee_ | dogpile ftw! | 01:15 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56333/8/keystone/common/authorization.py | 01:15 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, line 100 | 01:16 |
| * morganfainberg looks | 01:16 | |
| gyee_ | roles should really be cached during startup and stayed there | 01:16 |
| gyee_ | roles are highly static | 01:16 |
| ayoung | gyee_, unless modified | 01:16 |
| gyee_ | we are invalidating the cache on modification anyway | 01:16 |
| gyee_ | some data are mean to cache longer | 01:16 |
| gyee_ | meant | 01:16 |
| ayoung | gyee_, not under the proposal from atwari | 01:16 |
| morganfainberg | did we cache roles? | 01:17 |
| morganfainberg | i thought i avoided grants because they were messy | 01:17 |
| ayoung | but, yeah, exactly that | 01:17 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, not grants, the role defs | 01:17 |
| morganfainberg | oh | 01:17 |
| morganfainberg | yesh | 01:17 |
| ayoung | we have them as Ids, we need them as strings | 01:17 |
| ayoung | names | 01:17 |
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| gyee_ | right role defs | 01:17 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, huh, should be easy enough. | 01:17 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, thing is, we want it as a map, not as a dogpile call | 01:18 |
| ayoung | map from id -> name | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, map = dict? | 01:18 |
| ayoung | yeah | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | ok, checking | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | sometimes people mean map as in map() -> [] | 01:18 |
| gyee_ | we should look at the type of data and cache them accordingly | 01:18 |
| gyee_ | highly static = longer cache time | 01:18 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee_, we can add variables to store more cache time variables | 01:19 |
| ayoung | gyee_, let me propose a hack on that code, then | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | gyee_, but if we had a get_roles (or similar) the map | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | it's super easy to cache | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | just some call we can memoize | 01:19 |
| ayoung | gyee_, we move some of the logic back into controllers, anything that does a lookup internally. | 01:20 |
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| ayoung | pass a map in here | 01:20 |
| ayoung | dict | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or provide a method on the manager that does the work ? | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | and memoize that | 01:21 |
| ayoung | no | 01:21 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, oh, yeah | 01:21 |
| ayoung | that is fine | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | yeah, keep cachign at the manager layer | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | not in the controllers | 01:21 |
| ayoung | I thought you meant the auth manager, assignment manager is fine for this | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | noooo | 01:21 |
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| morganfainberg | assignment_api manager ;() | 01:21 |
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| ayoung | and...I want to pull the actual enforce call out of the policy manager | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, +++++++++ | 01:22 |
| ayoung | that might be painful, and beyond the scope of this refactor | 01:22 |
| * morganfainberg adds more +'s | 01:22 | |
| morganfainberg | let me check something | 01:22 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, so you way to pass a map into build_policy_check_credentials? | 01:22 |
| gyee_ | s/way/want/ | 01:22 |
| ayoung | gyee_, yeah...I'm hacking already | 01:22 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, just keep in mind we need to invalidate the memoized role map if we change the roles | 01:23 |
| morganfainberg | and likely we need to cache longer than the default assignment cache | 01:24 |
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| gyee_ | morganfainberg, if you change the roles, you have a bigger problem to deal with | 01:24 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, for now, I am just going to build the map each time | 01:24 |
| gyee_ | like updating policy.json | 01:24 |
| ayoung | it will still be faster than multiple calls like this | 01:24 |
| ayoung | ++ | 01:24 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, quick. what test should I run for a v2 token? | 01:25 |
| ayoung | test_auth something? | 01:25 |
| gyee_ | yeah | 01:26 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, ok | 01:26 |
| * ayoung getting a slew of spurious failures | 01:26 | |
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| ayoung | 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'CalledProcessError' | 01:27 |
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| ayoung | that was from the eventlet start up | 01:27 |
| ayoung | need to run the envirponement change.... | 01:27 |
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| gyee_ | keystone is not using pip 1.5 yet right? | 01:28 |
| ayoung | No idea | 01:28 |
| gyee_ | keystoneclient is broken right now | 01:28 |
| gyee_ | pip 1.5 can't install netaddr | 01:28 |
| morganfainberg | gyee_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65149/1/tox.ini | 01:28 |
| gyee_ | yep, we need to get it in asap | 01:29 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee_, +2/A but. | 01:30 |
| morganfainberg | lets just say the gate queue has been slow | 01:30 |
| gyee_ | morganfainberg, thanks! | 01:30 |
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| morganfainberg | as in... i think i reverified a patch this morning... | 01:30 |
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| morganfainberg | and it's still not at the top of the queue | 01:30 |
| gyee_ | wow | 01:30 |
| morganfainberg | gyee__ yeah my patch is still ~20 from the top | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | and there are 52 in the gate queue | 01:31 |
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| morganfainberg | and i think we were ~38 deep when i reverified | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | so, 18ish processed since ... 1107 pacific | 01:32 |
| gyee_ | what's cause for the slowness? | 01:32 |
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| morganfainberg | not sure, something with the devstack vms | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | nodepool, jenkins, something | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | i missed part of the convo in -infra | 01:32 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee_, possibly some xml issues w/ jenkins | 01:34 |
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| morganfainberg | someone is working on it | 01:34 |
| morganfainberg | afaict | 01:34 |
| gyee_ | xml is an issue :D | 01:34 |
| morganfainberg | java, an api to turn xml into tracebacks? | 01:35 |
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| gyee_ | the way I look at it, java is tool, just like python | 01:36 |
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| morganfainberg | hehe | 01:36 |
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| morganfainberg | oh... unrelated i need to finally setup a bot in openstack-keystone channel since the MOTD is aparantly not enough to send people over here. | 01:36 |
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| gyee_ | morganfainberg, while you are at it, why don't you work on a keystone bot | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | gyee_, that does what? | 01:37 |
| gyee_ | it will record all the questions asked of keystone team | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | LOL | 01:38 |
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| morganfainberg | sure. i'll store those in /dev/null | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | >.> | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | <.< | 01:38 |
| gyee_ | they play it back | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | easiest storage location | 01:38 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee_, i think i don't want to dive that deep into irc bots | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 01:38 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, , did you do the environment refactor? It was either you or lbragstad and now it is not possible to run certain individual tests | 01:48 |
| ayoung | I can hack around it by calling | 01:48 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: which env refactor? | 01:48 |
| ayoung | environment.use_stdlib() | 01:48 |
| jamielennox | oh right | 01:48 |
| jamielennox | yea that was mine | 01:49 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, so some tests fail when that never gets called | 01:49 |
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| ayoung | something in the base class does a "run once" | 01:49 |
| jamielennox | so yes, that will always need to be called, why isn't it | 01:49 |
| jamielennox | ? | 01:49 |
| ayoung | configure_once | 01:49 |
| jamielennox | doesn't need to be in a base class | 01:50 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I don't know | 01:50 |
| jamielennox | it can just be in the static part | 01:50 |
| ayoung | that is why I am asking you | 01:50 |
| ayoung | I don't think so | 01:50 |
| jamielennox | it generally needs to be called before you do most of the import keystone stuff | 01:50 |
| ayoung | I had it in the setup function and the tests then fail when run in bulk | 01:50 |
| ayoung | the testrunner itself needs to default to calling that | 01:50 |
| ayoung | I think | 01:50 |
| jamielennox | that would work | 01:50 |
| jamielennox | but what has changed that this is an issue now? | 01:50 |
| ayoung | some tests don't setup an eventlet server and neither the eventlet nor the stdlib path gets called | 01:51 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I don';t think anything changed | 01:51 |
| jamielennox | it's triggered from keystone.tests.core - and everything should be importing that | 01:51 |
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| ayoung | I think I finally started running individual tests that trip over it | 01:51 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, if I put a breakpoint in that code, it is never run, neither branch (use_eventlet or stdlib) | 01:52 |
| jamielennox | what's the command you are runinng? | 01:52 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, try this | 01:52 |
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| ayoung | I'm running inside Eclipse when I see the problem...it runs | 01:52 |
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| ayoung | /usr/bin/nosetests keystone.tests.test_auth | 01:53 |
| ayoung | lemme try from a venv commanbd line | 01:53 |
| jamielennox | if i try that from the CLI then it works | 01:54 |
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| ayoung | wierd, me to. ... one sec | 01:54 |
| jamielennox | well it fails but it's not because of an environment thing | 01:54 |
| ayoung | heh...one sec | 01:54 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I think it is the standar threads hack | 01:56 |
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| ayoung | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'DeprecatedOpt' jamielennox | 01:58 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: eh? that's a oslo.config thing isn't it? | 01:58 |
| ayoung | Keeping me from reproducing | 01:58 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, wrong version of oslo.config? | 01:58 |
| ayoung | prolly | 01:58 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i got a AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'CalledProcessError' mixed in with a bunch of other stuff | 01:59 |
| jamielennox | that is an env | 01:59 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that is it! | 01:59 |
| ayoung | and that is due to the environment setup not being run | 01:59 |
| ayoung | no...that test is only passing by accident | 01:59 |
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| ayoung | if you run the tests in bulk, they pass, but if you run with STANDARD_THREADS, the setup call gets missed...or maybe It just misses a part of it? | 02:00 |
| ayoung | let me see something... | 02:00 |
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| jamielennox | hmm, there is nothing in tests.core | 02:01 |
| ayoung | yeah, it got moved into fixtures | 02:02 |
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| ayoung | blame bknudson | 02:02 |
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| jamielennox | blame dstanek it appears | 02:03 |
| ayoung | ah, sure, blame someone | 02:03 |
| jamielennox | so that should be in the tests.core file still | 02:04 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, Its not the straight forward. Really what we need is something that checks if the eventlet code has been called and, if not, calls the stdlib versions | 02:06 |
| ayoung | I wonder if this breaks things on apache? | 02:06 |
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| jamielennox | no, it's just in the test code | 02:07 |
| jamielennox | there are parts of the tests that still rely on eventlet | 02:07 |
| jamielennox | or there was | 02:07 |
| jamielennox | it's a really tough thing to swap in and out, you need to pick one at the start | 02:08 |
| ayoung | I think you can default to stdlib, and swap to eventlet, just not the reverse | 02:09 |
| ayoung | I think that the stdlib code is never called | 02:09 |
| jamielennox | you can, it's not a good way to run tests | 02:10 |
| ayoung | its fine | 02:10 |
| ayoung | I think there is bleed over | 02:11 |
| ayoung | so we are not pure in our testing right now anyway | 02:11 |
| ayoung | this is no worse than what we are doing now, and arguably better. | 02:12 |
| ayoung | ah..something just failed. Need to see if it was due to this change | 02:12 |
| jamielennox | yea, at the beginning when i did the environment thing the point was that you had to pick and that if you tried to change it it will raise | 02:12 |
| jamielennox | an explicit choice is better than guessing | 02:13 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, what worries me is that it is not failing now without that code ever having been called during a test run. I think it is run once for all tests, and we've been masking the problem | 02:13 |
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| jamielennox | it is only ever supposed to be run once | 02:14 |
| jamielennox | i guess when it does the testr script that file is being imported | 02:14 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: do you have any idea why i would be seeing these failures? http://logs.openstack.org/02/59602/10/check/gate-keystone-python27/e40e5fe/ | 02:17 |
| * ayoung would love line level anchors for those logs | 02:18 | |
| jamielennox | ayoung: you'll see them | 02:18 |
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| ayoung | project_endpoint | 02:18 |
| ayoung | no sauch table | 02:19 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think that is in an extension, and the extension code might not be getting called to create the table, sql-a wise? | 02:19 |
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| jamielennox | right that was my thought to | 02:20 |
| jamielennox | the patch has added some new - seperate - database testing that doesn't tie in to the rest | 02:21 |
| jamielennox | so i though that maybe it was messing with the pristine copy | 02:21 |
| jamielennox | but it doesn't appear to and as they are both setup in the relevant setUp() | 02:21 |
| jamielennox | i can't imagine why | 02:21 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65194/ does that work for you as well? | 02:25 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: get it figured out? Sorry I missed your ping ealier | 02:27 |
| lbragstad | earlier* | 02:27 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, I'll add you to the draft review | 02:27 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: it'll work but it's really bad | 02:28 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, why is it bad? | 02:29 |
| jamielennox | just put environment.use_eventlet() into the top of keystone/tests/core.py | 02:29 |
| ayoung | hrms.... | 02:29 |
| jamielennox | the point of it is that you should have to choose an environment | 02:29 |
| jamielennox | i mean it will work because the modules are just treated as variables but it seems unsafe somehow | 02:30 |
| ayoung | Ok....I disagree. Eventlet is the blight on the land. Why should sane people suffer for others insanity? | 02:30 |
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| ayoung | I mean, we are going to tie all of our tests to eventlet? Ugh | 02:31 |
| ayoung | but...OK, I can do that, too | 02:31 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: they've always been tied | 02:32 |
| jamielennox | there are still some tests that start up a full wsgi server | 02:32 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: sure I'll review | 02:32 |
| ayoung | I know....it feels like a step backwards | 02:32 |
| jamielennox | and if you don't have them using eventlet then you deadlock | 02:32 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, crud, I just deleted it...let me put it back | 02:32 |
| lbragstad | lol | 02:32 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, nah, nevermind, wasn't your mistake anyway | 02:32 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, yeah...those are the tests that must be run earlier than the cms code in order for this to ever succeed. | 02:33 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: do you know how the tests load the databases? i don't think it's my fault | 02:40 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, howcome gerrit is not finding your name | 02:40 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, hold on | 02:40 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, I think I know the answer, but I need to comb through that test first | 02:40 |
| jamielennox | in the subunit tests it appears to be that the tests start loading the project_endpoint migrations and then tries to run the regular tests | 02:40 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, that sounds wrong | 02:41 |
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| ayoung | I thought the migrations were not run except by the migration tests | 02:41 |
| jamielennox | ahh, actually, it looks like project_endpoint migrations are happening on there own - just the 1 migration into a fresh db - and then it tries to install the fixtures | 02:41 |
| ayoung | the others should be autogenerating the tables, or so I remembered. We went back and forth on that so many times. | 02:41 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: try ldbragst@us.ibm.com | 02:41 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, you show up as ldbragst | 02:42 |
| jamielennox | i know we talked about it a lot but i didn't know the resolution | 02:42 |
| ayoung | maybe you should use that as your irc nick | 02:43 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65195/ | 02:43 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: you can remove it from the fixture - it only needs to be defined once | 02:43 |
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| ayoung | I don't know if I want to do that. It is ok to run more than once, and not having it in the fixture code means it gets run by magics | 02:44 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: also you should do it prior to all the imports there are things that rely on being able to import from environment | 02:45 |
| jamielennox | it is designed to be run kind of like gettext - you have to pull it in early and then it will just work everywhere | 02:45 |
| ayoung | appserver does it after the imports | 02:45 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, so where should it go? Right after from keystone.common import environment? | 02:50 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: i think that it got rearranged after they moved it out | 02:51 |
| jamielennox | really from keystone.common import environment should be up top | 02:51 |
| jamielennox | then do environment.use_eventlet() | 02:51 |
| jamielennox | then all the other imports | 02:51 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/stable/havana/keystone/tests/core.py | 02:52 |
| jamielennox | :46 | 02:53 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, Are you sure we need that? If feels like we are going too far | 02:54 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: ... it had been there for a really long time | 02:55 |
| jamielennox | it was there pretty much for this reason | 02:55 |
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| jamielennox | it also is exactly the same process that is being used in the current fixture, it's just being imported from the wrong place | 02:55 |
| jamielennox | it is the same idea as having it in bin/keystone-all, it just needs to be imported somewhere that is imported really early on | 02:56 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, ping | 03:11 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: what's up? | 03:15 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson: I have a question for you, hope you had a good holiday btw :) | 03:16 |
| bknudson | lbragstad: what's the question? | 03:16 |
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| lbragstad | so, you have a class that gets inherited by two other classes and they implement a method that is in the base class | 03:17 |
| lbragstad | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50362/27/keystone/auth/plugins/external.py | 03:17 |
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| lbragstad | in the base class, should you just 'pass' or should you be raising NotImplemented? | 03:17 |
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| lbragstad | see line 65 | 03:18 |
| bknudson | lbragstad: the method is marked with @abc.abstractmethod , so if it's not overridden then you won't be able to create the instance. | 03:19 |
| lbragstad | gotcha | 03:19 |
| lbragstad | ok | 03:19 |
| bknudson | so it can do pass or NotImplemented... it's just what you'd want to have as a default implementation | 03:19 |
| lbragstad | makes sense | 03:19 |
| bknudson | I think the subclasses can do a super() to call it to get the default impl. | 03:19 |
| lbragstad | in this case you wouldn't really want to do that since it is just passing in the default impl | 03:20 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64349/ | 03:27 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, just updated the patch....you should be able to see what I was headed toward | 03:28 |
| stevemar | bknudson, you mention adding the resolve future dependency call in the load backends of the test... which is fine | 03:28 |
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| stevemar | but you also said to include the oauth bits in that same part, so it should be called first, then the resolve part? | 03:29 |
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| ttx | notmyname: yes | 09:01 |
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| notmyname | ttx: I won't be able to make the swift update at the normally scheduled time. how's now work for you? | 09:02 |
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| ttx | notmyname: sure, we should go to #openstack-relmgr-office so that it's properly logged. | 09:02 |
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| ttx | jd__: around? | 13:33 |
| jd__ | ttx: yes | 13:34 |
| ttx | jd__: 1:1s now happen in #openstack-relmgr-office | 13:34 |
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| jgriffith | ttx: around? | 13:53 |
| ttx | jgriffith: yep. please join #openstack-relmgr-office for proper logging | 13:54 |
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| tristanC | Hello! We talked about writting a keystone blueprint to detter account/password bruteforce... Maybe you guys know if such mechanism have been implemented/discussed in other OS service ? | 14:34 |
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| dolphm | tristanC: is this the mailing list discussion about password requirements? | 14:35 |
| tristanC | dolphm: not directly related, but it is kind of keystone hardening too | 14:36 |
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| alexpilotti | salv-orlando: ping | 14:41 |
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| openstackstatus | NOTICE: working on undoing the accidental libvirt upgrade which is causing nova and keystone unit test failures (ETA 15:30 UTC) | 14:51 |
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| ttx | dolphm: around ? | 15:01 |
| dolphm | ttx: o/ | 15:01 |
| ttx | dolphm: > #openstack-relmgr-office for proper logging | 15:01 |
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| dolphm | ttx: ah, alright | 15:01 |
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| ttx | kgriffs: Tuesday 15:00 UTC meeting slot is booked already (recent change) | 15:15 |
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| ttx | (Neutron IPv6 sub-team Meeting) | 15:15 |
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| ttx | david-lyle: our 1:1 will happen in #openstack-relmgr-office for proper logging | 15:28 |
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| alexpilotti | sdake: ping | 15:53 |
| sdake | alexpilotti sup | 15:54 |
| alexpilotti | sdake: hi! | 15:54 |
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| alexpilotti | sdake: I just read a comment you wrote here about DependsOn / WaitConditions: https://answers.launchpad.net/heat/+question/224414 | 15:55 |
| sdake | alexpilotti I'm from the Federal Government, and I'm here to help | 15:55 |
| alexpilotti | sdake: heh | 15:55 |
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| alexpilotti | sdake: my question is about the signal URL | 15:55 |
| sdake | alexpilotti sure - so wait conditions and dependson work like a champ | 15:56 |
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| alexpilotti | sdake: is there anything specific we need to do on the Heat side to make it work? | 15:56 |
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| alexpilotti | sdake: the samples I found are AWS specific, so I was trying to understand how to get that URL on OpenStack | 15:57 |
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| sdake | alexpilotti we use cfn-signal to execute the wait condition | 16:03 |
| sdake | alexpilotti if you want to know the exact url to use via curl, try shardy in #heat - he may have details there | 16:03 |
| sdague | flaper87: one last comment on the devstack patch | 16:03 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63647/ | 16:04 |
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| sdague | then I'd be +2 on it | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | sdake: ok tx! I was also looking at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/hot-software-config-spec | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | sdake: do you know if some of those fetures will land in Icehouse? | 16:04 |
| flaper87 | sdague: cool, let me check that out | 16:04 |
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| sdake | alexpilotti we are working on it - join #heat for more details :) | 16:05 |
| sdague | flaper87: mostly, I want us to have a good recording of the reasons for various work arounds in the fixup script in code | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | sdake: on it tx! | 16:05 |
| sdague | so when we evaluate future changes to it, or removing it, the reasons aren't buried only in changelog | 16:05 |
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| markwash | ttx: is today a meeting day? | 16:37 |
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| dkuffner | Hello, any core developer who can approve it, reviews look good? thank you. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/59824/ | 16:40 |
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| dkuffner | opps wrong room :( | 16:40 |
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| ttx | markwash: it is | 16:41 |
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| ttx | markwash: we do 1:1s in #openstack-relmgr-office, yours start in 4min | 16:41 |
| markwash | new room? cool | 16:41 |
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| ttx | markwash: that's for easier logging and reference | 16:42 |
| markwash | makes sense | 16:42 |
| jaypipes | please somebody send me some warmth :( -40 F wind chill here right now :( | 16:42 |
| markwash | though I was starting to enjoy the random interlopers | 16:42 |
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| bknudson | jaypipes: should have gone to http://linux.conf.au/ | 16:44 |
| jaypipes | bknudson: heh, yes, that would be nice :) | 16:45 |
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| openstackstatus | NOTICE: unit tests seem to be passing consistently after the upgrade. use bug 1266711 for related rechecks | 16:47 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: looks like I missed the scheduler meeting :( dang... | 16:47 |
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| ttx | hub_cap: around? | 17:00 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: \o/ | 17:00 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah! | 17:01 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: what did we decide to do with the Definition field along with using priority Not for things destined to be Superceded? | 17:01 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i just marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/federation as superseded and then caught myself.. | 17:01 |
| ayoung | dolphm, periodic cleanup...and... | 17:02 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: IIRC, Definition: Obsolete + Priority: Not ? | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | dolphm, ayoung, morganfainberg: would love a review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63570/ if you get a chance. :) thx in advance! | 17:02 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, will do | 17:02 |
| jaypipes | cheers man | 17:03 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, lets say that for now, and document it somewhere | 17:03 |
| dolphm | jaypipes: probably won't get to review today, but i just targeted it to m2 | 17:03 |
| hub_cap | hey ttx im in the right place now :) | 17:04 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, how are you planning on accessing nested regions? | 17:05 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: this patch does not support any filters yet. | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: so a call to GET /regions returns all regions. | 17:07 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, ok, so when you create a region, you can specify parent, and that data just lies dormant for now? | 17:07 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: nesting or tree representation is left to the client at this time. | 17:07 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: yes, you can specify a parent, and there is validation that the parent is a valid region, but I have not implemented anything like GET /regions?parent_region_id=$REGION yet. | 17:08 |
| ayoung | jaypipes, no explicit "get_regions(parent_id) " type calls? | 17:08 |
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| ayoung | OK | 17:08 |
| jaypipes | ayoung: correct. I planned a second patch that added such functionality. | 17:08 |
| ayoung | sounds good | 17:08 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: I figured even a large deployment probably has fewer than a dozen regions... so at this point it wasn't a critical piece of the puzzle... | 17:09 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, ++ | 17:09 |
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| ayoung | jaypipes, close on this one. Needs a sql upgrade test andthen I am satisfied. bknudson will probably find more details, though, knowing him | 17:10 |
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| jaypipes | ayoung: kk, no probs. | 17:12 |
| jaypipes | thx again | 17:12 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, always happy to answer Keystone questions | 17:16 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, Keystone dev work is mostly done in here, and we even have atalked about having a bot to redirect people that wander into #openstack-keystone | 17:17 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, wrong room, that is the meeting | 17:17 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, Domain driver code is broken | 17:18 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, yikes. I haven't used IRC in about 15 years, does it show? | 17:18 |
| ayoung | you want to be able to use different drivers for different domains? | 17:19 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, its like falling off a bike! | 17:19 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, Right. So, I don't need to use different drivers. I just need to segregate the users. | 17:20 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, SQL or LDAP? | 17:20 |
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| _cjones_ | Right now that's all this provides, correct? | 17:20 |
| _cjones_ | Let's stick to SQL for now. | 17:20 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, but either will suffic.e | 17:20 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, in that case, you should be OK. use SQL for both identity and assignments backends. | 17:21 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, This is what I am trying to accomplish. I am getting an python error that I will debug. | 17:22 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, so to do multiple domain stuff, only the V3 API supports that | 17:23 |
| ayoung | you need the endpoint to end in /v3 | 17:23 |
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| _cjones_ | Yes, I have that. | 17:24 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, cool, shout if you need help | 17:25 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, sorry about that, there's always email :-) | 17:26 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: no worries, wasn't your fault :) | 17:26 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, I guess my main question is the current state of affairs only segregates domain users, correct? | 17:27 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, I don't understand what you are asking, sorry. | 17:27 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, the current state of the Domain driver development. Will it also segregate roles, projects, etc into a separate domain? | 17:29 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, perhaps I am misinterpreting the end goal or intention. | 17:29 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, it does that already...not Role definitions, but projects etc | 17:29 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, domains are groups of things | 17:29 |
| ayoung | users and projects are both grouped by domain | 17:30 |
| ayoung | but in different backends | 17:30 |
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| ayoung | user from one domain are assigned to roles in a project. Those assignments can be cross domain | 17:30 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, so basically we're looking at a multi-tenancy issue here. This will not solve that problem. As a user in one domain is not limited to that one domain. | 17:32 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, Do I understand correctly? | 17:32 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, basically looking at this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/havana-keystone-domain-specific-backends | 17:36 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, unfortunately, the guy working on that seems to have been distracted. | 17:38 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, permissions are a different issue | 17:38 |
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| ayoung | a user can only do what they have "role assignments" to do | 17:39 |
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| ayoung | so by default, a user can do nothing | 17:39 |
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| ayoung | a user is "owned" by a domain, but that has no access associated with it | 17:39 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, Yes. That I see permissions needs to be addressed as well. | 17:39 |
| ayoung | they need some role assignment in order to do anything more than change their own password | 17:39 |
| _cjones_ | Right. We're looking at siloing each domain. Such that each domain has its own roles, groups, etc. Which appears to be the intent of the link I posted. | 17:40 |
| ayoung | should server your needs fine as is | 17:40 |
| _cjones_ | And domain x, cannot see roles, groups or users in domain y. | 17:41 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, roles must be common across all keystone domains. But role assignments are specific to domain or project. Roles are applied at the API level. | 17:41 |
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| ayoung | what you want is a mapping from an Identity Provider specific value (group or something) to a role assignment. | 17:42 |
| _cjones_ | I stand corrected. Subtract roles. | 17:42 |
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| _cjones_ | users, groups, project | 17:42 |
| ayoung | OK, we are there now | 17:43 |
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| _cjones_ | Those three should suffice. There is support for such? | 17:43 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, in order for a user to enumerate the objects in a domain, they need a role in that domain. | 17:43 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, clearly. understood. | 17:44 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, the policy that is enforced on a keystone server is determined by the policy.json file for that server. We are working on an upgraded one but have not made it the default due to fear of breaking things. | 17:44 |
| ayoung | link in a minute | 17:44 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, https://github.com/openstack/keystone/tree/master/etc there are two files of note | 17:45 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/etc/policy.json | 17:45 |
| ayoung | which is the default, and | 17:45 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/etc/policy.v3cloudsample.json | 17:47 |
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| ayoung | which is what we are moving toward | 17:47 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, so in the past, there was this nasty misunderstanding. The role "admin" was a global role, and people were saying "if I am admin on a project, I end up with allaccess to all things" | 17:48 |
| ayoung | we are trying to clean that up | 17:48 |
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| ayoung | it is not inhernat in the Keystone desing, but it is defaulted to that in the policy.json | 17:49 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, to have an "admin" type user per domain? | 17:49 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, you can do that, but it has to be enforced by the policy.json. So you want the cloudsample one, not the default | 17:50 |
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| ekolve | has anyone deployed keystone using gunicorn? I am having trouble getting it start up | 17:51 |
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| ayoung | ekolve, What is gunicorn? | 17:53 |
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| mutex | I would like to modify my openstack compute nodes to provide a TCP serial port for some of my instances on the compute nodes | 17:53 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: a popular wsgi server | 17:54 |
| mutex | I already have this working with a local script, and pointers on where I should put this in the nova code ? | 17:54 |
| ekolve | http://gunicorn.org/ | 17:54 |
| ayoung | ekolve, what is its threading model? | 17:54 |
| ayoung | pre-fork? So each request gets its own process? | 17:55 |
| ekolve | y | 17:55 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: yeah, you need to run it behind something like nginx or it's easy to DoS | 17:55 |
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| ayoung | ekolve, you need to make sure that it makes the environment.stdlib call | 17:56 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, last one for a while.. Aim for total support of v3cloudsample.json is Icehouse or beyond? | 17:56 |
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| ayoung | _cjones_, it is supported now. Question is when it will be default. | 17:56 |
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| _cjones_ | ayoung, so swap that with my policy.json, and all should be happy? | 17:57 |
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| _cjones_ | minus obvious debuggery. | 17:57 |
| ayoung | _cjones_, I'll be happy. I can't speak for you | 17:57 |
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| ayoung | :) | 17:57 |
| _cjones_ | :) | 17:57 |
| _cjones_ | I'll get cracking on it and report back. | 17:58 |
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| ayoung | ekolve, you probably need something like this https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/httpd/keystone.py | 17:58 |
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| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/httpd/keystone.py#L43 | 17:58 |
| ekolve | ayoung: i'm trying that | 17:58 |
| ekolve | starting gunicorn as: gunicorn keystone:application -w 4 -b 0.0.0.0:5000 | 17:59 |
| ayoung | ekolve, ^^ line sets up some things to deal with monkeypatching | 17:59 |
| ekolve | but i get an error | 17:59 |
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| kfox1111 | Is there an openstack standard for date/time transfer? | 18:38 |
| kfox1111 | ISO 8601? | 18:38 |
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| mutex | looks like what I need is openstack nova plugins | 18:39 |
| dolphm | kfox1111: iso 8601! | 18:39 |
| dolphm | kfox1111: oslo timeutils has a bunch of wrappers you can use | 18:39 |
| kfox1111 | Is there a python mod... | 18:40 |
| kfox1111 | thanks. :) | 18:40 |
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| kwss | hey | 18:59 |
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| ayoung | kwss, OK...so, method=SAML or method=openid seems easy enough to implement | 19:00 |
| gyee_ | kwss, still here | 19:00 |
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| kwss | yea | 19:00 |
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| ayoung | You take your implementation and create a very thing class that just extenss federated and it all looks the same | 19:01 |
| kwss | I think I understand what you want to do | 19:01 |
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| ayoung | kwss, I'm still processing the mod_rewrite idea, but I don't think we need it. It is interesting, and might be a useful tool in the future. But lets table it for now | 19:01 |
| ayoung | what I would like to do | 19:01 |
| kwss | You want to skip a separate plugin and call the trust management as part of the overall authn/authz flow? | 19:01 |
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| ayoung | kwss, trust management is done at IdP /mapoping set up time, and just verified when the assertion comes in. No? | 19:02 |
| kwss | it's both that and the process of verifying that input is trusted | 19:02 |
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| stevemar | i really don't see how mapping doesn't also verify the input ... but i guess thats another discussion | 19:04 |
| ayoung | stevemar, mapping does no crypto | 19:05 |
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| kwss | mapping just says which internal attributes are granted bu the given attributes, it doesn't verify that the idp is tructed to issue those attributes | 19:05 |
| marekd | ayoung: do you see any other solution without mod_rewirte-style solution, but with Kristy's approach? | 19:06 |
| kwss | excuse my typing :) | 19:06 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, kwss I would think that a request for a token comes in, and the url is protected via SAML, so the handshake happens, and the SAML document is verified by mod_auth_mellon. The request format then would say method="external" | 19:06 |
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| ayoung | but the external mechanism would be expanded to kick into the mapping layer | 19:06 |
| ayoung | that was my assumption | 19:06 |
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| marekd | kwss: by the way, how were you authenticating against IdPs when using command line clients? A browser was poping up? | 19:07 |
| Guest73162 | morning. | 19:07 |
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| Guest73162 | wow... | 19:07 |
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| kwss | marekd: yea, it was ugly, we're looking at saml ECP now | 19:08 |
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| marekd | kwss: me | 19:08 |
| marekd | kwss: me too | 19:08 |
| Guest73162 | ... | 19:08 |
| ayoung | kwss, so you are designing for direct access to keystone, not via an external web server | 19:08 |
| ayoung | saml ECP? Link? | 19:08 |
| kwss | ayoung: yes | 19:08 |
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| marekd | https://wiki.oasis-open.org/security/SAML2EnhancedClientProfile | 19:08 |
| marekd | ayoung: ^^ SSO for non HTML clients... | 19:09 |
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| ayoung | Ok, I'll get smart on that | 19:09 |
| kwss | I think the main issue is our use of the word federation | 19:09 |
| needscoffee | oookay | 19:09 |
| needscoffee | guess irc doesn't want to let me use my real nick today | 19:09 |
| needscoffee | *mutter* | 19:09 |
| ayoung | marekd, you mean HTTP clients, but not web browsers, right? | 19:09 |
| marekd | ayoung: yes. | 19:10 |
| ayoung | needscoffee, you need to kick off whomever stole your nick | 19:10 |
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| ayoung | you do have it passw4rod protected, right? | 19:10 |
| kwss | if our plugin was called external and merged the functionality of the existing external module then it would be ok? | 19:10 |
| needscoffee | ayoung, yes, it was nickserv that booted me off my nick | 19:10 |
| ayoung | needscoffee, someone else registered it, then | 19:10 |
| needscoffee | ayoung, nah, it was the client not authing in time | 19:11 |
| needscoffee | i have the log | 19:11 |
| ayoung | no need to /MSG nickserver ghost ... | 19:11 |
| ayoung | kwss, hrm...actually, that would be OK, but I'm more concered about the API side | 19:12 |
| marekd | ayoung: the problem is that the standard is a standard, implementation is an implementation. What's worse ECP is not something every IdP supports... | 19:12 |
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| ayoung | marekd, I need to remember what a request authed by SAML look like? does the SAML document come in a header, or is in a post request ... I blogged about this | 19:13 |
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| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/2013/10/saml-example/ | 19:13 |
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| kwss | I think our goals are not exclusive, if we modified our protocol modules to be free standing plugins, then do trust management in the main flow it would work | 19:13 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56333/, I am going to address bknudson's comments shortly, are you OK with the rest of the changes? | 19:13 |
| marekd | ayoung: i saw it. | 19:13 |
| needscoffee | ayoung, nope "morganfainberg is not online" nickserv is being obnoxious :( | 19:13 |
| needscoffee | oh well | 19:13 |
| needscoffee | i guess i can live w/ needscoffee for now | 19:13 |
| stevemar | needscoffee - why not go for morganfainberg_ | 19:14 |
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| needscoffee | stevemar, because | 19:14 |
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| needscoffee | i dunt wanna :P | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | needscoffee :) | 19:14 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, not quite...I would recommend moving some of the calls back to controller | 19:15 |
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| not_stevemar | >.> | 19:15 |
| stevemar | lol | 19:15 |
| not_stevemar | it probably means znc needs to be bounced anyways. | 19:15 |
| ayoung | gyee_, authenticate.py should not make any calls to Keystone APIs. Leave anything that does that in controller | 19:15 |
| marekd | ayoung: by the way, can you put some comments in here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244/ at some point? | 19:15 |
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| gyee_ | ayoung, k, lemme do more refactoring | 19:16 |
| ayoung | marekd, heh, yes. | 19:16 |
| marekd | ayoung: heh, thx. | 19:16 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, it doesn't have to be perfect, but try to think how authenticate.py could be moved into keystoneclient | 19:16 |
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| ayoung | it would need to be fed the role_id to role_name map build via a web fetch | 19:17 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, you mean authorization.py? | 19:17 |
| ayoung | gyee_, yes | 19:17 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, sure, if we can standardized on the cred part | 19:17 |
| ayoung | ++ gyee_ | 19:17 |
| gyee_ | we've been talking about abstracting token forever now | 19:17 |
| gyee_ | one of these days :) | 19:18 |
| ayoung | kwss, so I think the plugin you have is fine. | 19:18 |
| marekd | ayoung: kwss: ok, and how does the flow looks like now? | 19:18 |
| marekd | say i am a client and want to authenticated. | 19:19 |
| ayoung | what we do is we make the guideline that if you do a federated plugin, it extends yours, and that becomes the "method" field. REMOTE_USER stuff can be done the same way, and we can make external extend yours as well. | 19:19 |
| gyee_ | needscoffee, how's morgainfainberg? | 19:19 |
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| marekd | do I enter a specific URL with IdP's name and protocol I want to use, or what? | 19:19 |
| kwss | ayoung: that makes sense | 19:19 |
| ayoung | kwss, then remove the method=federated from the API doc. | 19:20 |
| kwss | ayoung: I'll have to convince David first | 19:21 |
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| ayoung | kwss, can you explain to Herr Doktor Perfessor for me? | 19:21 |
| kwss | ayoung: I'll give it a go | 19:22 |
| ayoung | kwss, in general, it would be really helpful to have you in this chat room while we are working on this | 19:22 |
| ayoung | it will expedite things greatly | 19:22 |
| ayoung | I promise not to bother you overmuch ;) | 19:22 |
| kwss | ayoung: Ok I'll make an effort, normally not this late though | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, agreed | 19:23 |
| ayoung | kwss, I'll look for your in the mornings. | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | kwss, one of us, one of us | 19:23 |
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| kwss | lol | 19:23 |
| kwss | I have to go eat soon but I'll email David in a bit and explain stuff | 19:25 |
| ayoung | so..if I were writing this from a blank slate, Keytone would look like this: if you hit /auth/token you get back a challnge for one of the standard web mechanisms. If you added in something liike /auth/token?project_id=blah you would get a scoped token. | 19:25 |
| ayoung | basic_auth would replace the user-id password fields in the JSON docuemnt | 19:25 |
| ayoung | and there would be no need for a JSON document | 19:25 |
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| ayoung | if you wanted more secure auth (X509 client cert or Kerberes) it would work the same | 19:26 |
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| mriedem | anyone know if ##. works for enumerated lists in rst doc format? | 19:26 |
| ayoung | mod_nss for certs, mod_auth_krb5 for kerberos, etc | 19:26 |
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| ayoung | mriedem, try it out. post a change to github and their rst filter should show how it will render | 19:26 |
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| marekd | ayoung: are you talking now about the workflow while authenticating with SAML ? | 19:27 |
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| mriedem | ayoung: post a change to github? this has to post through gerrit first though? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65326/ | 19:27 |
| ayoung | marekd, yeah...I'm trying to lay out how SAL would evolve from the other mechs | 19:27 |
| ayoung | mriedem, github private branch, not to gerrit. | 19:28 |
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| ayoung | mriedem, fork the openstack-infroa/elastic-recheck repo on github and post your chagne to it there | 19:29 |
| mriedem | ayoung: alright | 19:29 |
| ayoung | marekd, so openid I know works with redirects. I assume in general saml does not? | 19:29 |
| ayoung | IN stead it relies on backchannel commo with the Idp? | 19:29 |
| marekd | ayoung: HTTP redirects? | 19:29 |
| ayoung | marekd, yes | 19:29 |
| marekd | IdP and SP don't communicate directly. | 19:30 |
| marekd | it's client who is redirected. | 19:30 |
| ayoung | marekd, in SAML? | 19:30 |
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| marekd | ayoung: yes. | 19:30 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, how do we know it is really you? | 19:30 |
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| marekd | ayoung: https://developers.google.com/google-apps/sso/saml_workflow_vertical.gif | 19:30 |
| ayoung | marekd, OK, so if a user hits http://host/keystone/v3/auth/token with no auth yet, what happens? | 19:31 |
| stevemar | ayoung, whats in the request | 19:31 |
| ttx | stevebaker: around? | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | there we go. | 19:31 |
| ayoung | stevemar, lets say nothing. | 19:31 |
| morganfainberg | enforcer got ahold of my nick and kicked me out of irc completely | 19:31 |
| * ayoung tempted to try /KICK morganfainberg but will probably get kicked myself | 19:32 | |
| marekd | ayoung: do we assume this is a SP protected resource? | 19:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, lol | 19:32 |
| ayoung | marekd, create token. I'll let you answer that question from first principals | 19:32 |
| dolphm | stevemar: jamielennox: dstanek: ya'll should all have +2/-2 on gerrit now! | 19:32 |
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| marekd | ayoung: ok, but what's your point then? | 19:33 |
| kwss | ayoung: the SP should generate a SAML AuthnRequest redirect the user to the IdP | 19:34 |
| kwss | *and redirect | 19:34 |
| jamielennox | dolphm: works for me - thanks! | 19:35 |
| ayoung | kwss, in this case Keystone, but how does it know where to redirect the user to? | 19:35 |
| kwss | it should store endpoint information about the IdP | 19:35 |
| stevemar | dolphm, tested it, and it works! - now to do evil things ... i mean more code reviews | 19:35 |
| marekd | ayoung: depends. you can be redirected tothe website where you can choose the IdP you want to use. | 19:35 |
| mriedem | ayoung: there is also a rst editor eclipse plugin and since i'm crazy and using eclipse i can just use that :) | 19:35 |
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| stevemar | mriedem - whaaat, i've been using the text editor like a noob, gotta get that plugin | 19:36 |
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| mriedem | stevemar: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3511097/is-there-a-restructuredtext-markup-editor-for-eclipse | 19:38 |
| mriedem | get the eclipse color theme plugin first, then the rest editor plugin | 19:38 |
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| ayoung | marekd, kwss so, I would guess that the minimum we would need is the user to specify their domain_id. And then keystone does the domain->IdP lookup for the redirect | 19:38 |
| marekd | or, like we once talked with dolph identify IdPs by unique names (and latter use them) insetad of uuids. | 19:39 |
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| ayoung | can a user go and get a SAML document a-priori and present it to Keystone (SP) without the redirect | 19:39 |
| kwss | ayoung: unless you have discovery in which case the user can specify nothing and choose where they are from | 19:39 |
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| ayoung | kwss, so we would redirect the user to a page with a list of IdPs? | 19:40 |
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| kwss | Idp first authn is available in SAML but I don't think it is widely supported, but I could be wrong | 19:40 |
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| kwss | ayoung: yea | 19:40 |
| marekd | kwss: exactly. another little monster, | 19:40 |
| ayoung | kwss, seems like it would be a bearer token anyway, and thusly bad | 19:40 |
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| marekd | ayoung: the way the standards say is: go to the resource first (SP) | 19:41 |
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| marekd | besides SP also isues some SP specific data in the request. | 19:42 |
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| marekd | (so the IdP knows where this request is coming from) | 19:42 |
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| ayoung | marekd, kwss OK, I think that we are good. 1. the SAML and openid impls can happen in the Ice3 timeframe, and we do them as extensions etc...that should change nothing. The apache2 plugin become "external" | 19:43 |
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| ayoung | we hae a solution with Apache, but if we can make the pysaml thing work, we have an apache-less approach too | 19:44 |
| ayoung | kwss, here's your homework | 19:44 |
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| ayoung | pysaml uses a library that has been removed elsewhere in openstack. We need to know if we can use it. Eventlet has peculiarities. | 19:45 |
| ayoung | m2crypto is a wrapper around opensll (I thik) and so the questions are: | 19:45 |
| ayoung | 1. if a user kcijks off an m2crypto call, will the entire web server block? | 19:45 |
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| ayoung | I think the answer is yes. | 19:45 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, m2crypto is bad. we should not use it (even as a dependant library) | 19:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, it isn't maintained and breaks in some modern linux distros in odd ways due to openssl compile options | 19:46 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that was my understanding | 19:46 |
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| kwss | I found another package that worked more nicely for SAML validation actually | 19:46 |
| kwss | Let me just check the name | 19:46 |
| ayoung | kwss, cool, but be aware of the issues. | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | pysaml, as i recall, has converted to pycrypto | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | but the docs still claim m2crypto | 19:47 |
| ayoung | anything that calls native from python has to do the right thing by the GIL | 19:47 |
| morganfainberg | i did some of this research before the holidays | 19:47 |
| ayoung | that is less of an issue in apache-prefork as each process is just handling one request | 19:47 |
| ayoung | but even if it releases the GIL, there is still the question of eventlet. And since Crypto is CPU bound, it can serialize the web server | 19:48 |
| ayoung | that is why CMS in keystone is done using a popen. | 19:48 |
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| ayoung | Which sucks for other reasons | 19:48 |
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| morganfainberg | kwss, ^ pysaml info on m2crypto, think it's just a doc bug (doesn't look like they use it anymore) | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | kwss, just FYI (if you missed it) | 19:53 |
| marekd | ayoung: kwss: let's try to glue most of the parts here. I am now trying to get a token after I authenticate against my IdP. I am hitting then a 'protected by pysaml/whatever' url, so it issues a saml request and redirect me to the IdP. I am going to the Idp, authenticating, getting SAML response, hitting SP again. The response is parsed, validated, and maping rules are applied and eventually token issued, roght? | 19:53 |
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| ayoung | marekd, yes | 19:53 |
| marekd | ayoung: so for now, the only change is that instead of mod_shib we use pysaml. | 19:54 |
| ayoung | no | 19:54 |
| kwss | morganfainberg: thanks, I have an implementation using pyxmlsec which I think might be better, I had some problems with assertions with multiple signatures with pysaml | 19:54 |
| ayoung | marekd, in the request, you state the method to use | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | thats fine | 19:54 |
| ayoung | blame gyee_ for that :) | 19:54 |
| morganfainberg | just didn't want to eliminate an option if it was a simple doc bug | 19:54 |
| ayoung | so if you go direct to Keystone, you would say | 19:54 |
| ayoung | meothd="saml" | 19:54 |
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| morganfainberg | legitimate functional errors, yeah, thats a good reason not to use it | 19:55 |
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| ayoung | kwss, that is a new one for me. Works well? | 19:55 |
| ayoung | marekd, for apache, you would do 'method'='external' | 19:55 |
| kwss | ayoung: yea, took much less time to get it working than pysaml | 19:55 |
| ayoung | and apache would do all the work. | 19:56 |
| ayoung | really, that should not even be required | 19:56 |
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| ayoung | for apache, I would say "no method required" | 19:56 |
| ayoung | actually, I think that works. | 19:56 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, what happen to pynss? | 19:57 |
| ayoung | gyee_, jdennis1 is the maintainer | 19:57 |
| marekd | ayoung: i see it now. so keystone, after it realizes i want to use saml will (probably) redirect me to really protexted by pysaml resource so we can use real SAML | 19:57 |
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| gyee_ | I suppose you guys can try pynss if you are not comfortable with m2crypto | 19:57 |
| gyee_ | m2crypto is basically python binding over openssl | 19:58 |
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| ayoung | gyee_, we discussed this a while ago. You guys support it, but you are just doing in house development, not the public facing project, right? | 19:58 |
| marekd | kwss: do you know if SP needs to support ECP or it's just IdP specific thing? I am not sure at the moment. | 19:59 |
| kwss | marekd: I really don't know, I haven't had much time to get into it yet, hoping to investigate it this week | 20:00 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, m2crypto is public I think, I was doing some enhancements on it sometime back | 20:00 |
| jdennis1 | gyee_: what is the issue with python-nss? | 20:00 |
| marekd | kwss: i should it (as a rule of thumb) by tomorrow. because if SP also needs to handle ECP this is another contraint before you choose the python lib. | 20:00 |
| ayoung | kwss, we are really close with this. Ping me tomorrow morngin on IRC if you got the agreement. | 20:01 |
| gyee_ | but don't think it was sync up with the public one | 20:01 |
| gyee_ | jdennis1, no issue, I was suggest using it for the saml work | 20:01 |
| kwss | ayoung, will do | 20:01 |
| ayoung | gyee_, jdennis1 is working on pynss integration into Keystone, just got prioritized behind some of his other work...FreeRadius IIRC | 20:01 |
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| marekd | kwss: i should know it** | 20:01 |
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| ayoung | Byt that doesn't solve the SAML question | 20:01 |
| marekd | ayoung: which one. | 20:02 |
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| ayoung | marekd, using pynss in a SAML module | 20:02 |
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| jdennis1 | gyee_, ayoung: I still don't understand the connection between saml and python-nss | 20:03 |
| gyee_ | ayoung, that would be great! with py-nss, we don't need the popen stuff for pki tokens | 20:03 |
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| gyee_ | i/o is expensive for performance | 20:03 |
| marekd | ayoung: ah, this one. let me add some more questions: the best and doable way of IdP discovery, how to reliably avoid using web browsers. | 20:03 |
| ayoung | marekd, anything you do with a web browser can be done by a command line client. | 20:04 |
| ayoung | So if the keystone response is going to be a redirect, we would make the keystone client smart enough to handle it. | 20:04 |
| gyee_ | jdennis1, we were talking about the validating the trust (signature) part | 20:04 |
| marekd | ayoung: i doubt it in this particular case. | 20:04 |
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| ayoung | marekd, cuz the IdPs don't have any standard way of representing the Authentication page ? | 20:05 |
| marekd | ayoung: yes. | 20:05 |
| kwss | ayoung: it's possible to do c/l authn with SAML but no IdPs would support it :) | 20:05 |
| marekd | ayoung: and I am almost sure there are some using JS or FLASH :P | 20:05 |
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| kwss | marekd, I think we can all agree the solution wouldn't be parsing a login page and trying to inject values into it | 20:06 |
| marekd | kwss: for sure now! | 20:06 |
| marekd | s/now/no | 20:07 |
| ayoung | so that is really useless for most people. Horizon and other web UIs are only a portion of the web traffic in Openstack. But one probklem at a time. | 20:07 |
| marekd | ayoung: what's useless? auth via webpage? | 20:07 |
| ayoung | SAML | 20:07 |
| ayoung | SAML when restricted to web browser only use cases | 20:08 |
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| marekd | ayoung: SAML was developed to work this way (web browser) and we are trying to workwroud this :-) | 20:09 |
| marekd | so cmd clients can also take advantage of federated authn. | 20:10 |
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| * marvin_the_andro "Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to take you down to the bridge. Call that job satisfaction? 'Cos I don't." | 20:10 | |
| kwss | ayoung: I think the only viable solution is to use SAML ECP for c/l and accept that not everyone will support it, if you are very concerned about not using a browser with openstack then if you have an existing SAML IdP it probably supports ECP | 20:11 |
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| ayoung | kwss, sounds good, and feels about right. | 20:11 |
| marekd | kwss: i think this is an only solution, yet far away from the ideal one :( | 20:11 |
| kwss | ayoung, then we can make SAML websso work with horizon for the browser happy | 20:12 |
| marekd | ayoung: kwss: anything else concerning federation? | 20:13 |
| chmouel | let's try to get those shiny new Keystone gate keepers if they can give me an extra +2 for that trivial patch that have been sitting for a while in my Q https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62766/ | 20:14 |
| ayoung | marekd, OK. I'm going to shift gears. Got some code reviews and some code to write | 20:14 |
| ayoung | -2 | 20:14 |
| ayoung | chmouel, done | 20:15 |
| ayoung | and congrats on core | 20:15 |
| chmouel | ayoung: cheers :) | 20:15 |
| kwss | ayoung, marekd, time to eat, I'll catch you tomorrow | 20:15 |
| ayoung | kwss, thanks | 20:15 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, oh yes much code to write | 20:17 |
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| marekd | ayoung: ok, cheers. I will catch you tomorrow. | 20:21 |
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| marekd | good night! | 20:26 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, jamielennox dstanek care to push the button https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56940/ | 20:48 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, how do i know if its ready, i'll be questioning everything now! | 20:49 |
| ayoung | stevemar, when you are calm...at peace. | 20:50 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, when in doubt, ask questions on the review. | 20:53 |
| tqtran | Hi, I'm new here. Running into a blocker with the test script. Here is the link to the error message and versioning information. http://paste.openstack.org/show/60675/ Is anyone here familiar with this issue? | 20:55 |
| ayoung | bknudson, this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65195/ is unbreaking things | 20:56 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, you can weigh in on that one, too | 20:56 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: why is it just tests that needs it and not keystone-all and keystone/httpd? | 20:57 |
| bknudson | stevemar: ^ ? | 20:57 |
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| bknudson | if we need to call environment.use_*() before imports then that should be done at all the entry points. | 20:57 |
| ayoung | bknudson, they do need it | 20:58 |
| ayoung | and they get it | 20:58 |
| ayoung | bknudson, the entry point need to explicitly decide | 20:58 |
| ayoung | the error message sucks, but this fixes the brokeness. | 20:58 |
| bknudson | ayoung: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/bin/keystone-all#n127 | 20:59 |
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| bknudson | for keystone-all, it doesn't happen until just before load_backends. | 20:59 |
| ayoung | bknudson, in http it does stdlib | 20:59 |
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| bknudson | whereas in tests now it says it needs to be done before other imports? | 21:00 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, it was jamielennox that thought it needed to happen that soon. In practice, it is OK if it happens later, but if an import were to do something that called on one of the monkeypatched functions, it would break | 21:00 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that could happen with keystone-all too. | 21:00 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yep. | 21:01 |
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| ayoung | But that is beyond the scope iof this patch | 21:01 |
| ayoung | this is just something that was removed with a refactoring and broke things | 21:01 |
| ayoung | *fixing* keystone-all and httpd is probably something that can wait until it breaks for real | 21:02 |
| ayoung | TBH, I don't care where it goes, so long as I can run the tests. I'm a little annoyed at some of our changes to Keystone test infrastructure that have been stepping on development. | 21:03 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: interesting - i thought it was running earlier than that | 21:03 |
| ayoung | for example, the deprecation of run_test.sh and move to tox leaves us no way to run until the first failure | 21:03 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, I think it was origianally | 21:03 |
| jamielennox | i guess that nothing that keystone-all imports rely on environment | 21:03 |
| ayoung | but in the case of keystone-all, it needs to happen after all of the parsing | 21:03 |
| dolphm | ayoung: testr run --until-failure ? | 21:03 |
| ayoung | dolphm, man page that | 21:04 |
| jamielennox | but from memory in tests they do | 21:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: oh nvm | 21:04 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I agree that deprecating run_tests.sh shouldn't be done until everything works (e.g., debugging) | 21:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I made the same mistake | 21:04 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65100/1/run_tests.sh | 21:04 |
| jamielennox | because tests import all the backends there was something that incorrectly imported environment and so that had to be run first | 21:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: honestly i still use nose directly in combination with testr and tox | 21:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: depends on what i want to test | 21:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, do you run until first failure? | 21:04 |
| ayoung | I do that all the time | 21:04 |
| jamielennox | that might have changed now so you can try it out but it went first for a reason | 21:04 |
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| bknudson | Usually I hit ctrl-c when it fails. | 21:06 |
| bknudson | repeatedly, until the test runner finally dies. | 21:06 |
| dolphm | ayoung: honestly... not very often. with testr, i'd rather do a full run and then use --failing. i use tox to test isolated environments, as i manage my own venv | 21:06 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: and nose is just a die-hard habit when i want to execute a subset of tests directly | 21:07 |
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| dolphm | i'm trying to make myself use testr for that | 21:08 |
| bknudson | tox -e py27 testname | 21:08 |
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| ayoung | it is all just noise to me. | 21:09 |
| ayoung | changing testrunners etc | 21:10 |
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| jamielennox | python -m testtools.run discover keystone.x.x will work for that case as well - and it respects scenarios and things that nose fals over | 21:10 |
| jamielennox | but its very verbose | 21:10 |
| bknudson | testr is supposed to allow running in parallel. | 21:10 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, does testtools support first failure? testr doesn't | 21:11 |
| jamielennox | that has been my goto nose teplacement as it supports pdb | 21:11 |
| ayoung | bknudson, do you want me to reorder the tests/core.py import or ar you OK with it? | 21:11 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: no idea | 21:11 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: does it wotk if you put it after the imports? | 21:12 |
| bknudson | ayoung: what's wrong with the test/core.py import order? | 21:12 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, it did yes | 21:12 |
| ayoung | bknudson, calling use_eventlet in the middle of the imports | 21:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: testr run -- -f | 21:13 |
| ayoung | -f ? | 21:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: --failfast | 21:13 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: I have no problem with the order if it has to be done before other imports. | 21:13 |
| dolphm | ayoung: haven't tested it | 21:13 |
| jamielennox | if it works going after then you should move it after - if you need to put it in the middle of the imports i'd prefer to make it obvious and put it before | 21:13 |
| ayoung | dolphm, thanks. I'll test it out. | 21:14 |
| bknudson | ayoung: the documentation makes it clear that it has to be early | 21:14 |
| bknudson | but then I wonder why keystone-all doesn't do the same thing. | 21:14 |
| ayoung | bknudson, keystone-all needs to parse config files first. | 21:14 |
| ayoung | it doens't need to be that early | 21:14 |
| ayoung | imports don't call the functions that we monkeypatch | 21:15 |
| bknudson | ayoung: right, keystone-all needs the config options to know if it monkeypatches threads or something. | 21:15 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, I'll move it to right after the imports. That seems to be the best balance | 21:17 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: the only other time we run code in tests/core.py is at line 110. | 21:18 |
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| bknudson | might be worthwhile to keep that together. | 21:18 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62638/ | 21:23 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there's 3 of those, i think you -2'd one? | 21:23 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yep | 21:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: you're welcome to vote on that to get it out of my queue ;) | 21:24 |
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| dolphm | or at least bump it from the front of my queue | 21:25 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, talking with them tomorrow. We'll make progress | 21:25 |
| kfox1111 | Is there any way to create something like a symlink glance image? Ie, I want a name that I can point at a real image so the name stays the same, when I change what it points to. | 21:26 |
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| morganfainberg | what was the way to push an explicit commit into gerrit? I am concerned using git-review is going to ... lets just say muck with some other reviews in an odd way | 21:36 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ^ I think I'm being paranoid, but I remember you saying something about this in the past | 21:37 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: one sec... | 21:38 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: git push gerrit HEAD:refs/for/master | 21:38 |
| morganfainberg | that will push just the current (HEAD) review? | 21:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: it'll push the entire series, but won't do any magic | 21:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, hm. | 21:39 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: you can also use git review --dry-run --no-rebase | 21:40 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah i'm doing that but a bunch of new merge commits appeared | 21:40 |
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| morganfainberg | the chain is showing 5 extra commits now that would be pushed | 21:40 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: git push gerrit... won't prompt you about those | 21:40 |
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| morganfainberg | maybe i'll just wait until some changes make it through gate. | 21:40 |
| morganfainberg | i just don't want to have anything lose it's spot in the queue ;) | 21:41 |
| morganfainberg | ah nvm, was an out of sync tree | 21:42 |
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| morganfainberg | it's all good now. | 21:42 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, addressing the outstanding notes from the previous one you approved: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65377/ | 21:43 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: danke! | 21:43 |
| morganfainberg | aCK, whitespace issue let me fix that :P | 21:44 |
| morganfainberg | oh. nvm gerrit display issue | 21:45 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 21:45 |
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| jog0 | jgriffith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65309/ 6 bugs in one! | 21:45 |
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| dhellmann | can anyone explain how to make testr show me the log messages it's capturing during a test run? lifeless? | 21:53 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: we'll do the 1:1 in #openstack-relmgr-office for proper logging | 22:00 |
| ttx | join me there | 22:00 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: testr shows what it sees, I think you're seeing the captures done by the base test case | 22:02 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: you can either turn that off (unset the controlling env variables) or if you want to introspect, query the fixture of the thing you want to know about | 22:03 |
| dhellmann | ok, I guess I need to add a knob to the oslo test class to turn off log capture? | 22:04 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: there are controls for stdout and stderr, but not logging now | 22:04 |
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| lifeless | dhellmann: sure, if your goal is to see it interactively | 22:04 |
| dhellmann | lifeless: yes, when I run the tests I want to see the output | 22:05 |
| dhellmann | s/output/log messages/ | 22:05 |
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| dhellmann | lifeless: I'm trying to understand what the test is doing without having to step through all of the code interactively | 22:06 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, care to do the honors https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65195/2 | 22:19 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: i really do | 22:20 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: oo, i get to go clean up the keystoneclient backlog | 22:24 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: although maybe i should leave it till the gate is say < 90 :O | 22:24 |
| ayoung | heh | 22:24 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox, gratz btw | 22:27 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: thanks | 22:27 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I proposed a change to reviewday to generate JSON -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64471/ -- was hoping it could get integrated into next-review | 22:36 |
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| bknudson | to help prioritize reviews | 22:36 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, stevemar, why does this make me feel dirty.... | 22:37 |
| morganfainberg | return not (tenant or tenant.get('id') != tenant_id) | 22:37 |
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| bknudson | could be changed to ((not tenant) and tenant.get('id') == tenant_id) | 22:38 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ah that is more readable | 22:38 |
| morganfainberg | still... feels kinda dirty | 22:38 |
| stevemar | because there is no comment | 22:38 |
| stevemar | where does that currently exist ? | 22:38 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: you should know that one... De Morgan's laws | 22:39 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yeah | 22:39 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar, it's cleanup for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60742/11/keystone/token/backends/kvs.py | 22:39 |
| morganfainberg | i think i'm going to do a if tenant and tenant.get('id') == tenant_id: return True | 22:39 |
| morganfainberg | and then return false | 22:39 |
| morganfainberg | if that doesn't match. more readable | 22:39 |
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| morganfainberg | or | 22:40 |
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| bknudson | could do if not tenant: return False ; return tenant.get('id') == tenant_id | 22:40 |
| morganfainberg | return bool(tenant and tenant.get('id') == tenant_id) | 22:40 |
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| morganfainberg | only reason for explicit bool() is because if None (for some reason) is the first element, you return out None instead of False | 22:41 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, hm. | 22:41 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, *shrug* i think it'll be readable in either case (more long-form) | 22:41 |
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