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| igorodet | I have a question about nova compute manager. I see it is calling compute.api. I thought compute.api is to call methods implemented by compute manager. I am not sure I understand how it works when Compute Manager calls compute.api. | 00:24 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg? | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, pong | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | i mean... ho | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | hi* | 01:18 |
| gyee | for the role definition, can we cache it longer | 01:18 |
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| gyee | @cache.on_arguments(should_cache_fn=SHOULD_CACHE, | 01:19 |
| gyee | expiration_time=CONF.assignment.cache_time) | 01:19 |
| gyee | def get_role(self, role_id): | 01:19 |
| gyee | return self.driver.get_role(role_id) | 01:19 |
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| gyee | I am thinking creating a separate expiration time for role def | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | sure. | 01:19 |
| gyee | role defs are highly static | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | totally valid to create a new option | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | though... | 01:19 |
| gyee | what's the longest we can cache? | 01:19 |
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| morganfainberg | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64758/ | 01:20 |
| gyee | is there a 'forever' time unit? | 01:20 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, hm... welllll | 01:20 |
| morganfainberg | possibly a 0 is "forever" | 01:20 |
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| morganfainberg | but that might depend on the backend used | 01:20 |
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| gyee | the default memcached backend? | 01:21 |
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| morganfainberg | i think the longest something can be cached in memcache is ... 30 days? | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | short of an "infinite" time | 01:22 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, the default is not to cache | 01:22 |
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| morganfainberg | any caching choices including the backend must be explicitly configured | 01:22 |
| gyee | k | 01:22 |
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| morganfainberg | if you do change the cache time variable for roles use how bknudson did the change w/ the lambda | 01:23 |
| morganfainberg | in that review ^ | 01:23 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, the lambda hack huh :) | 01:24 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, it's important otherwise you can't configure the expiration time | 01:24 |
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| gyee | morganfainberg, what do you think will perform better, say we have less than 100 role defs? list_roles() without cache or calling get_role() 100 times with the cache. | 01:29 |
| gyee | I would say list_roles | 01:30 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, caching list_roles would perform better if cached | 01:30 |
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| gyee | but we can't cache the list_* functions right? | 01:30 |
| morganfainberg | get_role being called a 100 times would suck regardless. | 01:30 |
| gyee | because of the variable filters | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | well.. | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | if we don't have filtering..... | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | which list_roles doesn't i think | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | we could. | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | could cache that is | 01:31 |
| gyee | that's tru | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | but with kwargs / variable filters caching becomes near impossible | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | filtering should occur outside of caching. | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | filtering = business logic as far as i am concerned | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | and imo, caching happens outside of business logic. | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | that being said, there should be "get_with_filter" calls that don't get cached. | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | or we track the various forms of filtering called and properly invalidate based upon that *haven't thought it really all the way through yet* | 01:33 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, mind if I make those two changes as part of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56333? | 01:33 |
| gyee | or should we do this in a separate patch? | 01:33 |
| morganfainberg | should be separate | 01:33 |
| gyee | k, works for me | 01:33 |
| morganfainberg | easier to review | 01:33 |
| gyee | yeah :) | 01:33 |
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| * morganfainberg hangs head in shame for lumping too much together in patches | 01:33 | |
| morganfainberg | but sometimes... you back yourself into a corner when writing code. | 01:33 |
| gyee | yeah, I do that sometime | 01:34 |
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| morganfainberg | since this is _mostly_ unrelated (and not a side effect of OMG this is now broken), separate patch would be best | 01:34 |
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| gyee | agreed | 01:34 |
| morganfainberg | *sigh* wow. | 01:35 |
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| morganfainberg | our token issuance is a mess. | 01:35 |
| gyee | oh? | 01:35 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah. | 01:35 |
| morganfainberg | we have differing backing data based on V2 vs V3 tokens | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | we have a lot of... misc data that has creeped its way into the token data itself | 01:36 |
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| morganfainberg | and our token tests don't remotely create "real" tokens | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | since none of the logic goes through the providers | 01:36 |
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| gyee | yeah, originally we thought about have one format internally and have middleware translating between versions | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | even the token_api could do that work | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | or the controller | 01:37 |
| gyee | wait, we have tests for the providers | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | we even store the data in multiple places a lot of the time | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | metadata, token_data | 01:37 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, we do, but ... token tests don't create "Real" tokens | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | they make some very limited contrived data | 01:38 |
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| gyee | metadata is for backward compat | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, metadata, token_data, etc | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | lots of duplicated data | 01:38 |
| gyee | we can validate a v2 token using v3 api | 01:38 |
| gyee | and vice versa | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, sortof | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, validating a token should be... the same code imo | 01:39 |
| gyee | only if we don't have PKI tokens | 01:39 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, even doable w/ pki. | 01:39 |
| morganfainberg | stop using the pki "hash" as the token id | 01:39 |
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| morganfainberg | and expect if you want to "validate a token" you pull the relevant info out of the pki data blob | 01:40 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, but that is a lot more work. | 01:40 |
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| gyee | yeah, refactor work for the j release :) | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | yes | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | !! | 01:41 |
| openstack | morganfainberg: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | silly bot | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, i already tossed a BP up | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | also, we should collapse the token_provider_api back into the token_api. | 01:41 |
| gyee | we were thinking abstracting the token itself | 01:41 |
| morganfainberg | "create_token" should never be called directly | 01:42 |
| morganfainberg | issue_token logic is all that should be used. | 01:42 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/token-issuance-pipeline | 01:42 |
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| morganfainberg | in theory we could also just store an index of V2 PKI and V3 PKI to the actual token data. | 01:43 |
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| morganfainberg | it's a bit more work to issue a token, but since we have limited formats | 01:43 |
| gyee | yes, make sense | 01:43 |
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| morganfainberg | i am thinking in J we formalize a "token version" independant of the api version | 01:44 |
| morganfainberg | we write some simple compat for V2 and V3 tokens | 01:44 |
| gyee | yes, that along with embedded hash algorithms, signing algorithms, etc | 01:44 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 01:44 |
| morganfainberg | you saw where i was going | 01:44 |
| gyee | yeah | 01:45 |
| morganfainberg | w/ revocation events it becomes even easier | 01:46 |
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| lxsli | python-novaclient: 2nd core review needed please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63199/ | 13:25 |
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| antigluk | hello. I just published patch for nova | 14:09 |
| antigluk | it's my first patch, so just to clarify - do I need something other doing $ git review ? | 14:09 |
| antigluk | e.g. add reviewers or request review or something like this | 14:11 |
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| jpich | antigluk: Nope, once you submitted your patch it's added to the open queue and reviewers will get to it in time ( https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova,n,z ) | 14:18 |
| jpich | Feel free to review other patches in the meantime :) | 14:18 |
| antigluk | jpich: thanks! | 14:19 |
| jpich | antigluk: Did you submit your review as a draft perhaps? It doesn't look like the tests are running on it | 14:21 |
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| antigluk | jpich: I submitted at as draft firstly, but then click "Publish" | 14:21 |
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| antigluk | *it | 14:21 |
| jpich | antigluk: Ok, the automated tests don't get run when publishing a review that way - you can fix it by leaving a comment on the review that says only "recheck no bug" | 14:22 |
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| antigluk | jpich: just comment on web page? or comment on commit | 14:26 |
| jpich | antigluk: If you click the review button in gerrit, you can leave a comment | 14:27 |
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| antigluk | jpich: doesn't seem to work.. | 14:38 |
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| jpich | antigluk: I think Zuul was just restarted to deal with load issues - I left another comment, you can see your review in the list at http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ now | 14:40 |
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| antigluk | jpich: cool, thanks! | 14:54 |
| jpich | antigluk: You're welcome! | 14:54 |
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| antigluk | jpich: does every comment trigger rebuild? it's extensive, isn't it? | 15:04 |
| jpich | antigluk: No, only the "recheck" syntax | 15:04 |
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| jpich | antigluk: Note that the main tests haven't run on your patch yet (still showing as queued in zuul), 3rd party tools like turbo-hipster run additional tests and post the results as comments | 15:06 |
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| antigluk | jpich: yeah, I see | 15:08 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: ping | 15:10 |
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| dhellmann | viktors: hi | 15:10 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: hello. | 15:12 |
| viktors | dhellmann: Can you please look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63782/ ? | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | viktors: it's on my list to review | 15:12 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: it brings possibility to use ContextFormatter to impart context info | 15:13 |
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| viktors | dhellmann: ok, will wait | 15:13 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i was never really a fan of the DEFAULT_DOMAIN_ID being a constant anyway... just a bit of indirection | 15:42 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I didn't realize that it wouldn't work. | 15:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: neither did i | 15:43 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i'm pretty sure i started that pattern :P | 15:44 |
| bknudson | dolphm: it seems like a good idea, and makes the code shorter. | 15:44 |
| bknudson | you've only got so many characters on a line. | 15:44 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: yeah, but you lose the fact that it's configurable from the context where it's used | 15:45 |
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| hartsocks | I have a dumb developer question about git-review … how do I make my patch based on someone else's without submitting theirs too? | 15:55 |
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| lxsli | hartsocks: it seems to work that out, providing yours is on top of their latest patchset | 15:55 |
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| hartsocks | so, right now I'm submitting 2 patches… theirs and mine. | 15:56 |
| bknudson | hartsocks: make sure the commit hash is the same. | 15:56 |
| asadoughi | hartsocks lxsli: no i did that and it broke theirs, because i was the committer | 15:56 |
| bknudson | hartsocks: don't change their commit hash | 15:56 |
| hartsocks | what do I do if I have done that accidentally? | 15:56 |
| hartsocks | hrm... | 15:56 |
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| hartsocks | maybe if I pull their patch to its own branch then rebase my patch off of theirs again? | 15:57 |
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| bknudson | hartsocks: that's what I would do. | 15:57 |
| lxsli | yep | 15:57 |
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| hartsocks | let me try that | 15:57 |
| asadoughi | hartsocks: i broke it by cherry-picking their patches, so don't do that :) | 15:57 |
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| bknudson | hartsocks: and when you git-review, use -R and it won't rebase. | 15:57 |
| hartsocks | ah ha! | 15:58 |
| hartsocks | thank you. | 15:58 |
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| bknudson | hartsocks: I think newer versions of git-review are smarter about not rebasing | 15:58 |
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| * asadoughi wish he knew this yesterday | 15:58 | |
| * lxsli has been enjoying working in a 4-deep chain | 15:58 | |
| hartsocks | wow. | 15:59 |
| bknudson | in some ways it's kind of good to get your changes rebased on current master for you. | 15:59 |
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| hartsocks | I've been manually rebasing on master. | 15:59 |
| hartsocks | I keep each change set in its own branch. | 15:59 |
| hartsocks | I checkout master… get it all up to date and clean... | 16:00 |
| hartsocks | then jump to each change branch and rebase on master. | 16:00 |
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| hartsocks | That should mean I won't need git-review to rebase for me right? | 16:00 |
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| hartsocks | hrm… still not working. | 16:03 |
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| hartsocks | I have checked their commit hash… it is the same. | 16:03 |
| hartsocks | I have their commit in its own branch. | 16:03 |
| hartsocks | I have rebased on that branch. | 16:03 |
| hartsocks | I have said... | 16:04 |
| hartsocks | $ git review -R | 16:04 |
| hartsocks | it still wants to submit both patches. | 16:04 |
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| lxsli | what I do, is: git review -d 11111; git cherry-pick <my commit>; git review | 16:04 |
| lxsli | it'll warn you you're submitting two, that's OK | 16:04 |
| lxsli | when it hits the server only yours should get a new patch set | 16:04 |
| bknudson | hartsocks: yes, it will say it's submitting 2, but if the commit has is the same it won't update the existing ones. | 16:05 |
| bknudson | has -> hash | 16:05 |
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| hartsocks | lxsli the -d 11111 means -d <review number> ? | 16:06 |
| lxsli | yeah | 16:06 |
| hartsocks | let me try that. | 16:06 |
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| hartsocks | heh still says 'submitting two' but I'll see if I can avoid over-writing the other commit... | 16:07 |
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| lxsli | be brave :) | 16:07 |
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| hartsocks | the other one is on revision 16 so... | 16:07 |
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| hartsocks | well… I didn't hurt the base patch... | 16:08 |
| hartsocks | but I can't find my latest revision. | 16:09 |
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| hartsocks | hrm... | 16:12 |
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| hartsocks | oh frigging great. | 16:14 |
| hartsocks | I mixed up my own local patches. | 16:14 |
| hartsocks | that explains a lot. | 16:15 |
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| hartsocks | yeah, so git log is really what I needed to check to make sure I was submitting the correct hashes | 16:29 |
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| bknudson | looking at http://api.openstack.org/api-ref-identity.html -- does anybody else find the "identityFault (400, 500, …), badRequest (400), unauthorized (401)," response codes annoying? | 16:41 |
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| bknudson | what's identityFault and where does that come from? | 16:41 |
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| bknudson | seems like these should be like "400 Bad Request, 401 Unauthorized, ..." (etc) | 16:42 |
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| bknudson | use the HTTP standard codes and not whatever "identityFault" is. | 16:43 |
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| BobBall | _cerberus_: ping | 16:48 |
| _cerberus_ | BobBall: hey | 16:48 |
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| BobBall | you Matt Dietz? :) | 16:48 |
| _cerberus_ | depends | 16:48 |
| _cerberus_ | <_< | 16:48 |
| _cerberus_ | >_> | 16:49 |
| BobBall | haha | 16:49 |
| BobBall | Just wanted a quick chat about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58753/7 | 16:49 |
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| _cerberus_ | Was the record bit being used? TBH I just took alaski at his word on it | 16:49 |
| BobBall | There are no callers which pass record - but I left the code that uses "record" in there because if someone does have a record in future it is _much_ better performance to pass it in | 16:49 |
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| BobBall | no, it's not being used anywhere because none of the existing callers had a record to hand. | 16:50 |
| _cerberus_ | Hmm, I see | 16:50 |
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| BobBall | I'll happily remove it if you want it gone - but just wanted to explain why I left it (which I probably should have put in a comment) | 16:50 |
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| _cerberus_ | Well, I think removing it would be the consistent answer = | 16:51 |
| _cerberus_ | I definitely see what you're saying, but it seems like something we should add back in once we have code that can make use of it | 16:51 |
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| BobBall | okay - consider it gone. I'll try to update the patch tomorrow | 16:52 |
| BobBall | ta | 16:53 |
| _cerberus_ | Later :-) | 16:53 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64758/ ... is dogpile calling the lambdas? | 17:07 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: if so, is that documented somewhere? | 17:07 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I'd have to defer to morganfainberg on that one | 17:07 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: morganfainberg pointed me to some docs, but I'm not sure how to try it out. | 17:08 |
| dolphm | bknudson: either dogpile is really smart and has thought of this, or it's not going to behave like we expect and we're not testing cache expirations so we don't know what it'll actually do | 17:08 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I guess I was relying on tests | 17:09 |
| bknudson | dolphm: but morganfainberg did point me to the docs... I'll see if I can find again. | 17:09 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: http://dogpilecache.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api.html#dogpile.cache.region.CacheRegion.cache_on_arguments | 17:15 |
| dolphm | bknudson: just stubbed out a cached function, and passing in a lambda seems to correctly affect the caching behavior | 17:15 |
| dolphm | "May be specified as a callable" wow | 17:15 |
| bknudson | "expiration_time – May be specified as a callable, taking no arguments, that returns a value to be used as the expiration_time. This callable will be called whenever the decorated function itself is called, " ... | 17:15 |
| dolphm | dogpile is badass | 17:15 |
| bknudson | dolphm: dogpile is really smart. | 17:15 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, ping | 17:25 |
| dolphm | stevemar: pong | 17:25 |
| stevemar | marekd is asking questions about identity stuffs in tokens, and expiring federated users | 17:26 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, last time we talked, it seems like he a plan of sorts? so we don't have to do that? | 17:26 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: i haven't been a huge fan of any of the ephemeral user ideas myself :-/ | 17:42 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: or figure out a more appropriate way to present identity in the token, if any | 17:43 |
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| stevemar | dolphm, i thought the idea is to remove it completely from the token | 17:44 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: that's my preference, but i honestly don't know what we'll break if we do that (like horizon?) | 17:44 |
| stevemar | ooo... | 17:45 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: maybe include a "user": {"name": "User Name As Claimed by IdP"} with no ID or link back to keystone as an "idp" | 17:45 |
| stevemar | dolphm, can you leave it empty, if its a federated user? | 17:45 |
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| stevemar | yeah, something like that, a dummy | 17:45 |
| dolphm | stevemar: (that way horizon gets something for UI purposes, but it's clear it's not an object available via the identity api | 17:46 |
| dolphm | ) | 17:46 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, no ephemeral user ids. If a given IdP wants it, though, maybe we should allow them to create a user record on demand. For the others...we need a way to keep userid unique | 18:20 |
| ayoung | domainid:IdPspecificname is the best I can come up with. | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | actually... | 18:22 |
| bknudson | ayoung: should be IdPid:IdPspecificname ? | 18:22 |
| ayoung | what about :IdpId:IdpSpecific name | 18:22 |
| ayoung | bknudson, magic leading character, not something hta would be in a uuid | 18:22 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: maybe we need a url | 18:23 |
| ayoung | bknudson, IdP/Domain... | 18:23 |
| ayoung | bknudson, no | 18:23 |
| ayoung | bknudson, we need to be able to look at a user id and figure out where it comes from | 18:23 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: that's what a url would get us. | 18:23 |
| ayoung | is isuuid(id) : then -> SQL | 18:24 |
| ayoung | bknudson, but too much noise | 18:24 |
| ayoung | it isnot going to be a remote object | 18:24 |
| bknudson | leading : or whatever special char is fine with me. | 18:24 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, I think that we do roughly like we did with the tokens. | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | : means "domain id" prepended | 18:26 |
| ayoung | with domain and IdP being similar but possibly different | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | and Domain being finer grained than IdP | 18:26 |
| ayoung | ie. 1 IdP might have multiple domains in it | 18:26 |
| bknudson | can a user from an IdP be in 2 different domains? | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, no, they are 2 different accounts | 18:26 |
| ayoung | and a domain can't be split over multiple IdPs | 18:27 |
| ayoung | bknudson, vast majority of cases 1 Idp = 1 Domain | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | but out Keystone IdP supports multiple domains now (identity backend) | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | so...lets keep the concepts separate, and not break anything | 18:27 |
| dolphm | bknudson: define "be in" | 18:28 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I guess I'm thinking about a group in domain A and group in domain B ? | 18:28 |
| bknudson | or a role assignment for user in domain A or user in domain B ? | 18:29 |
| dolphm | bknudson: membership in both of those groups? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | bknudson, so...lets just agree now that Groups are something we need to expand.... | 18:29 |
| dolphm | bknudson: and the groups are owned by two different domains? or the groups have assignments against two different domains? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | groups are a management tool, and we've only implemented a subset of what we are going to need long term group wise...I'll wax poetic on the subjext next week | 18:29 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: I'm thinking about the earlier problems we had with backend-per-domain, where we couldn't figure out which user we meant. | 18:30 |
| bknudson | it seems like we're going to wind up with the same prob if we have multiple idps. | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, backend == IdP | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | so we know domain X is in IdP Y | 18:31 |
| ayoung | with LDAP and SQL backends also considred IdPs | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | if the userid starts with : we need to parse out the domain id | 18:32 |
| bknudson | ayoung: domain ID or IdP ID? | 18:32 |
| ayoung | if not (and it is as uuid) we assume it is in the single Identity backend | 18:32 |
| ayoung | domain Id | 18:32 |
| ayoung | users still are in domains | 18:32 |
| ayoung | IdPs store domains | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | I wouldn't introduce this (domain) abstraction now, but since we have it, we should use it | 18:33 |
| bknudson | ayoung: do users need to be added to keystone in addition to being in the IdP? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | no | 18:33 |
| ayoung | a user needs to be in some idp | 18:33 |
| bknudson | so an IdP ID is a UUID? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | Keystones Identity backend is an IdP | 18:33 |
| bknudson | I mean a user ID in an IdP? | 18:33 |
| dolphm | don't forget python -c "import urllib; assert urllib.quote_plus(':') == '%3A'" | 18:33 |
| ayoung | user id is only uuid for sql | 18:33 |
| ayoung | dolphm, doesn't hjave to be : | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | can be any non uuid character | 18:34 |
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| bknudson | ayoung: ok, just making sure... so LDAP user IDs might be DNs or an attr value | 18:34 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, so magic character should deconflict with those as well, but are likely to be alpha if in English etc | 18:35 |
| ayoung | so : would work for LDAP | 18:35 |
| ayoung | need something web safe as well, though | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | : is not web-safe. | 18:36 |
| ayoung | ! | 18:36 |
| ayoung | what is the list of special chars for the web | 18:36 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt | 18:36 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: probably looking for 2.3 Unreserved | 18:37 |
| ayoung | reserved = ";" | "/" | "?" | ":" | "@" | "&" | "=" | "+" | | 18:37 |
| ayoung | "$" | "," | 18:37 |
| bknudson | you can use any char but you'd have to escape it. | 18:37 |
| bknudson | it's not like escaping URLs is hard to do. | 18:37 |
| ayoung | bknudson, we want an unescaped char | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | guessing ! is safe. It is not in email addresses due to an old mail format | 18:38 |
| ayoung | I think I like ! or *... | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | - and _ likely to be used in names | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, dolphm lets vet the "!" proposal. We could go with something longer, like '!dom!' or #! (magic number from files) | 18:42 |
| ayoung | ! might be painful from a bash perspective | 18:42 |
| openstack | ayoung: Error: "might" is not a valid command. | 18:42 |
| ayoung | or from an irc perspective | 18:42 |
| ayoung | ! | 18:43 |
| ayoung | !! | 18:43 |
| openstack | ayoung: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 18:43 |
| ayoung | ! help | 18:43 |
| openstack | ayoung: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 18:43 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: no matter what character you choose, you have to escape it whenever you "build" these ID's | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:44 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah, and we want to make it script/bash safe as well | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think @ is still likely the best, and if we ensure (even default/internal) all users have @ we can always lsplit the first one | 18:46 |
| bknudson | it would be more efficient if it was a prefix so don't have to look through the whole string. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, fixed length? | 18:47 |
| ayoung | bknudson, what about @dom@ | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i am behind that. | 18:47 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I have no problem with @dom@. | 18:48 |
| ayoung | we reserve the right to prepend the user id with @<3 letters>@ | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'd force it, personally | 18:48 |
| ayoung | and @dom@ means that the userid will be dom prepended | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | all users, if it's internal @int@ or something | 18:48 |
| ayoung | if we change to a different thing, like idp it could then be @idp@ means that the userid will be idpid prepended | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | less complex if we don't have varying formats. | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | to handle | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | we can do some magic in the request to "fix" old id references w/o the @<dom>@ thing for a transitional period | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | if needed. | 18:51 |
| bknudson | it's more than the request since it's IDs you get back from the DB. | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, in the db we handle it with a migrate | 18:51 |
| bknudson | LDAP? | 18:51 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, or grandfather in the ones without @tla@ | 18:52 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, think LDAP | 18:52 |
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| morganfainberg | i think LDAP internal needs to do magic anyway | 18:52 |
| ayoung | specifically, assignements backend | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | oh crap we have to support ldap assignments *sigh* | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | right | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | yeah grandfather in... | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | but anywhere we can make the change, (make it so updates "fix" it?) | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | we should | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | i keep forgetting ldap assignment, i should know better | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, lets just assume that if it is not @tla@ we can't deduce the location, and go with the default | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++ | 18:54 |
| ayoung | BP time! | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | and if we are read/write update should "correct" the missing @tla@ | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | imo | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | if it's read-only, well, only so much we can do | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | but seamless "upgrades" where possible are nice. | 18:55 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/auth-domain-architecture | 18:55 |
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| morganfainberg | i think that bp sounds like the right place to put this | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | well.. with some more info added to it | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, bknudson BP updated https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/auth-domain-architecture | 19:16 |
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| stevemar | marekd|away, i don't think any user entitiy would be created | 19:19 |
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| markwash | sdague: I accidentally just +A'd a branch that Jenkin's had not checked successfully yet https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65419/ | 19:21 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, that looks good | 19:21 |
| marekd | stevemar: ok, so basically token, that links to certain roles. | 19:21 |
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| markwash | sdague: not sure if there is something we can do to prevent that causing more gate delays now, but thought I'd mention it in case there is something | 19:22 |
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| bknudson | markwash: my understanding is you can -2 it. | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it doesn't stop the gate | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | it just prevents merging | 19:22 |
| morganfainberg | last i checked | 19:22 |
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| sdague | markmcclain: what's the question? | 19:23 |
| markwash | sdague: is there a way I can stop gate checks once they've started for a specific patch? | 19:23 |
| markwash | accidentally approved too early | 19:24 |
| sdague | markwash: push a new version | 19:24 |
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| morganfainberg | sdague, aha, good to know! | 19:24 |
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| sdague | so typically when I'm pulling things out I do a trivial commit message update | 19:24 |
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| markwash | neat trick | 19:26 |
| markwash | thanks! | 19:26 |
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| morganfainberg | food time. i'll be back later, need to hit up some keystone folks about a couple things | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | when i'm back | 19:53 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/token-issuance-pipeline fyi added that | 19:53 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i'm planning on taking that on for J since it's a sizable refactor, it can include some varying hash logic as well | 19:54 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, ^ please add any info / dependencies you see fit based upon the earlier convo | 19:54 |
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| mutex | Hi, I'm trying to write a hook for create_instance using some sparatic documentation, should I just be able to use setuptools and it should be called ? | 19:59 |
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| mutex | my hook setup.py: http://paste.openstack.org/show/60822/ | 19:59 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, looks good, but I might get involved as well. I've done some hacking on it already | 20:16 |
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| luisg | dhellmann, bnemec thx for the reviews! glad those changes are in.. i was wondering whether i should wait for the other couple of changes to specify the tanslated log via {project}.conf before trying to sync the changes across the various projects | 20:20 |
| luisg | w do u guys think? | 20:20 |
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| bnemec | luisg: You could probably go ahead and propose the syncs now. There's a fair chance they won't go through until after the other Oslo changes merge anyway and you can always update the sync. | 20:26 |
| luisg | sounds good thx | 20:26 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, more than happy to discuss kvs impl stuff (making it better is ... good!) | 22:12 |
| _cjones_ | ayoung, you there? | 22:12 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, later...Im in dad mode | 22:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sure thing | 22:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, thats right east coast vs west coast >.< | 22:47 |
| morganfainberg | :P | 22:47 |
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| bknudson | morganfainberg: things are merging! | 23:34 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, OMG! | 23:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, YAY! | 23:35 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: finally broke the dependency of base v3 controller and v2 controller. | 23:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, that seriously makes me so happy we accomplished that this cycle | 23:35 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, also the test cleanup you've done so far. | 23:36 |
| morganfainberg | can't wait for that to merge in. | 23:36 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: I'm guessing I'll be rebasing those changes on a daily basis. | 23:36 |
| morganfainberg | by Juno, i think we might have a good test structure, and much more maintanable systems | 23:36 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, aye :( race to rebase! | 23:36 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: yes... I'm kind of hoping that dstanek will come back from vacation or whatever and make fixtures for things. | 23:37 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, +++ | 23:37 |
| Anticimex | any keystone related folks here? | 23:37 |
| Anticimex | i mean, now :) | 23:37 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, a couple of us | 23:37 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, what can we do for ya? | 23:37 |
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| Anticimex | highly interested (with resources) in federation, akin to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/acls-userids-federation , "working" :> | 23:38 |
| Anticimex | relatively new to the actual details of openstack here, but been learning for ~1.5 years | 23:39 |
| Anticimex | i'm also quit poor at IAM etc. but i'll have a try at describing a use case now ok? | 23:39 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, there is a lot of work being done with the federation stuff in keystone right now. | 23:39 |
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| morganfainberg | Anticimex, sure more use-cases are good. | 23:40 |
| morganfainberg | i know stevemar (not on IRC right now) is heavily involved in federation work. let me also dig up the other blueprints. | 23:40 |
| Anticimex | so i want to run a cloud... and i have $HUGE_NUM users behind federation. i have various levels of admins, which can propagate permissions down. domain admins, project admins. | 23:40 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, that makes perfect sense. | 23:40 |
| Anticimex | say one such admin wants to setup access rights of an identity that has yet to log in - how can that work? | 23:40 |
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| Anticimex | and can keystone now or in future track roles etc of federated IDs? (seems 'necessary' for me) | 23:41 |
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| morganfainberg | that is partly what https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/mapping is meant to help address | 23:42 |
| morganfainberg | as i understand | 23:42 |
| Anticimex | eg a domain admin has setup a project admin, project admin logs on and starts setting up access rights for identities to have rights as users in their project | 23:42 |
| Anticimex | okey | 23:42 |
| Anticimex | thanks for link | 23:42 |
| morganfainberg | i _think_ the IDP must be defined by the deployer (cloud admin) not the domain admin | 23:42 |
| Anticimex | sure, cloud admin can hook up IDP - that is fine | 23:43 |
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| Anticimex | (and makes sense to me and my "tiering" model too) | 23:43 |
| morganfainberg | as I recall we don't have the ability to define per-project permissions (e.g. enforcement that is different that the global keystone policy) | 23:43 |
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| morganfainberg | example: if a project user can perform an action on that project, you cannot change that behavior between two projects | 23:44 |
| morganfainberg | you could (as the deployer/cloud admin) define two roles that offer differing levels of access | 23:45 |
| morganfainberg | does that make sensE? | 23:45 |
| morganfainberg | or did I just muddy the water? :P | 23:45 |
| Anticimex | oh, ok, that is probably fine i guess? | 23:45 |
| morganfainberg | tbh, i'm a little out of the loop on some of the federation work. | 23:45 |
| Anticimex | i mean, regarding what users accesses would be.. | 23:45 |
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| morganfainberg | ah. | 23:45 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 23:45 |
| Anticimex | but in reality, does that imply that a "user" in project A, can't be admin of project B? | 23:45 |
| morganfainberg | yeah, Roles and policy are defined by the cloud deployer | 23:45 |
| Anticimex | where admin implies 'right to assign users to project' | 23:46 |
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| morganfainberg | and roles are associated for a given user to a domain or project | 23:46 |
| morganfainberg | a domain admin might be able to create new projects for example | 23:46 |
| Anticimex | i see | 23:46 |
| morganfainberg | where a user cannot | 23:46 |
| morganfainberg | domain user | 23:46 |
| Anticimex | creating new projects permission is probaby fine that way | 23:46 |
| morganfainberg | but if defined in that manner, it holds true for all domains | 23:47 |
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| Anticimex | but i could imagine a single identity having rights to just 'use' (eg., manage, create, etc ) VMs in project A, but at the same time have the right to assign identities with same use-access rights to project B (eg be "project admin") | 23:48 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, that is supportable | 23:48 |
| Anticimex | oh, okay | 23:48 |
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| morganfainberg | Anticimex, the user would be a "basic" level in project A, but in project B would have an "admin role" | 23:48 |
| Anticimex | then i misunderstood you earlier | 23:48 |
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| Anticimex | right | 23:48 |
| Anticimex | ok cool | 23:49 |
| morganfainberg | yep :) | 23:49 |
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| Anticimex | where can i dig deeper on federation work? | 23:49 |
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| Anticimex | ref: the two blueprints | 23:49 |
| morganfainberg | I would say that stevemar is a good resource to talk to about the current state-of-affairs, there has been some traffic on the mailing list | 23:49 |
| Anticimex | i read some meeting notes a while ago | 23:49 |
| Anticimex | oki | 23:49 |
| morganfainberg | and if you look at the open reviews, there is some work referencing federation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60424/ | 23:50 |
| morganfainberg | as an example of the implementation (CRUD) for the BP i linked to you earlier | 23:50 |
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| morganfainberg | Anticimex, once i have a bit more bandwidth i'll also be spending some time to get up to speed on it all so i can help contribute to the reviews (code review) | 23:51 |
| Anticimex | stevemar frequents this channel? | 23:51 |
| morganfainberg | aye | 23:51 |
| Anticimex | check | 23:51 |
| morganfainberg | keystone uses this channel to discuss most everything (the core devs lurk in here most of the time) | 23:52 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung might also have more current knowledge on federation direction | 23:52 |
| morganfainberg | i know he has been a bit more involved with the development and direction than I have been in the last few weeks. | 23:53 |
| Anticimex | why is that, if i may ask? i joined a range of openstack-$foo channels a couple of months ago. just saw on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/IRC there is half a metric ton more of them to join.. :) | 23:53 |
| Anticimex | (metering of particular interest to me also, in addition to all ordinary things) | 23:53 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, we use this channel because it's the general "place" people come for development talks. Since keystone is used by so much, we keep our eyes here instead of in a private channel | 23:54 |
| morganfainberg | easier to participate where needed | 23:54 |
| Anticimex | morganfainberg: thanks for .. being around and engaging for now | 23:54 |
| morganfainberg | s/private/dedicated | 23:54 |
| Anticimex | makes sense | 23:54 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, np, i'm off to write some code for a bit. :) | 23:54 |
| morganfainberg | Anticimex, it's part of the job of being on keystone core (imo) and a good community member to help out where possible. | 23:54 |
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| Anticimex | no argument here. by engaging you may pick up unexpected extra production capacity, too.. :-) snowball effect of sorts | 23:57 |
| _cjones_ | morganfainberg: Are you going to be around for a while to answer some of my keystone questions that I was going to send to ayoung. | 23:58 |
| morganfainberg | _cjones_, I can try to. | 23:58 |
| morganfainberg | _cjones_, i have to get a couple bits of code done for $internal company bug fixes$ before i can do much more here though | 23:59 |
| morganfainberg | _cjones_, but i'm usually around fairly late (us west coast time) compared to some others (us east coast) | 23:59 |
| _cjones_ | morganfainberg: Fair enough. I'll need another 30min or so to prep my scenario. | 23:59 |
| _cjones_ | mf: I'm Pacific too. | 23:59 |
| morganfainberg | _cjones_, ping me, and if i am available i'll let you know | 23:59 |
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