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| cyeoh | tonyb: hi | 00:21 |
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| tonyb | cyeoh: just a quick newbie question on v2.1 | 00:26 |
| tonyb | cyeoh: I have a friend that's writing a new client and it makes sense to use v2.1 if that's possible ... | 00:26 |
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| cyeoh | tonyb: so v2.1 will be functionality equivalent to the current V2 API, so unfortunately he's stuck with all the oddities of the V2 API for now | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | tonyb: what will be enforced strongly for v2.1 is input validation though, so dodgy requests which may have worked before will get rejected | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | tonyb: the cleanups to V2 API will most likely start once we have microversions support implemented | 00:28 |
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| tonyb | cyeoh: Thanks. I did know that but it hadn't sunk in. | 00:38 |
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| mwhudson | not sure if this is the right place to ask, but it seems that (with devstack) if you don't deploy cinder, you inevitably get some tempest failures | 08:25 |
| mwhudson | is this right? | 08:26 |
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| zilberstein | Hello #openstack-dev | 09:07 |
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| zilberstein | How do I submit patch ? | 09:07 |
| kashyap | zilberstein, Please follow: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow | 09:08 |
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| rushiagr | mwhudson: if you run complete tempest suite, yes | 09:39 |
| ttx | eglynn: looks like we could tag RC2 on ceilometer ? | 09:43 |
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| * eglynn checks if his translation patch has landed | 09:44 | |
| ttx | hmm, waiting for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126673/ probably | 09:44 |
| ttx | hmm,not | 09:44 |
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| ttx | eglynn: so will tag if you give me the go-ahead | 09:45 |
| eglynn | ttx: I think we're good now :) | 09:45 |
| ttx | ok then, let's go | 09:45 |
| eglynn | ttx: thank you sir! | 09:45 |
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| ttx | eglynn: done | 09:54 |
| eglynn | ttx: excellent :) | 09:54 |
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| zilberstein | kashyap, I read it, cloned neutron repository, applied my changes and tried to commit. | 09:57 |
| zilberstein | kashyap, I get authentication failed | 09:57 |
| kashyap | See if that works for you -- $ ssh -p 29418 yourusername@review.openstack.org | 09:58 |
| kashyap | It should throw a: "Welcome to Gerrit Code Review", and then the SSH connection should be closed | 09:59 |
| zilberstein | kashyap, yes, it works | 10:00 |
| zilberstein | maybe the reason is that I cloned from https:// not ssh:// ? | 10:00 |
| zilberstein | kashyap, Now it is: | 10:02 |
| zilberstein | ! [remote rejected] master -> master (prohibited by Gerrit) | 10:02 |
| openstack | zilberstein: Error: "remote" is not a valid command. | 10:02 |
| zilberstein | To what branch I should commit patches ? | 10:02 |
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| kashyap | zilberstein, You should always submit your patches against master, unless you're doing backporting work | 10:03 |
| zilberstein | kashyap, I'm on master branch. What could be wrong ? | 10:03 |
| zilberstein | I signed agreement, etc | 10:03 |
| kashyap | zilberstein, Afraid, I need to quickly step out to run an errand, probably someone else watching this channel can give you more clues meanwhile. | 10:04 |
| zilberstein | kashyap, thanks anyway | 10:05 |
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| zilberstein | Wht qg- interface needs white IP address ? | 10:44 |
| zilberstein | This is a waste | 10:44 |
| zilberstein | http://docs.openstack.org/havana/config-reference/content/figures/7/a/a/common/figures/under-the-hood-scenario-1-ovs-netns.png | 10:45 |
| zilberstein | that qg- interface is just before the bridge, which has white IP | 10:45 |
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| baoli | dtroyer, ping. can you take a look at these two patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124227/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124467/. They looks like in good shape now. | 14:44 |
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| devananda | annegentle: hi! I'd like Ironic's devs to start tracking doc impact better, even if there isn't a manual yet, and just realized the project config needs to be updated for it | 15:32 |
| devananda | annegentle: so I thought I'd check - do you have a preference on whcih docimpact group we use? | 15:32 |
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| jogo | SpamapS: got a heat question if you have a moment | 21:47 |
| jogo | devananda: got an ironic python-agent question too | 21:47 |
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| jogo | devananda: is ironic-python-agent a 'service' | 21:47 |
| jogo | for the OpenStack graph I was just graphingout services (in this case things with REST APIs) | 21:48 |
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| devananda | jogo: sort of, yes | 21:52 |
| devananda | jogo: IPA is a service with a REST API that the "agent" driver depends on | 21:53 |
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| devananda | jogo: however, IPA is run on-demand. The "agent" driver starts and stops that agent remotely | 21:53 |
| jogo | devananda: hmm I am wondering if its including in the graph | 21:54 |
| devananda | jogo: this is the service dependency graph? | 21:54 |
| jogo | well cross project | 21:54 |
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| jogo | for example not including things like nova-compute and nova-api | 21:54 |
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| devananda | ah | 21:54 |
| devananda | then no | 21:54 |
| jogo | so depends on how you define service I guess | 21:54 |
| devananda | it is within the ironic project | 21:54 |
| jogo | kk | 21:55 |
| jogo | devananda: and wahat was the heat depends on ceilo thing | 21:55 |
| devananda | heat autoscaling requires input from ceilo | 21:55 |
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| devananda | I can't speak to how central to heat's mission that is, but IIUC, that part of heat doesn't work w/o ceilo | 21:56 |
| devananda | I could have also completely misunderstood that | 21:56 |
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| clarkb | devananda: that is my understanding | 21:59 |
| clarkb | heat bases the autoscaling outputs on ceilo input | 21:59 |
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| jogo | devananda: in this case depends means it requires the user talk to that API | 22:02 |
| jogo | for example to use cinder you need a nova endpoint exposed | 22:03 |
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| jogo | so I think you can say heat can-use or requires but not depends on | 22:04 |
| devananda | jogo: "requires" | 22:04 |
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| jogo | devananda: cool | 22:05 |
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| jogo | so I want to make the distinction that the case of nova + cinder | 22:05 |
| jogo | where to do something the end user most talk to both APIs | 22:05 |
| jogo | we should co-gate | 22:05 |
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| jogo | but the case where one service consumes the other but the end user just needs to talk to one, then we shouldn't need to co-gate | 22:06 |
| devananda | jogo: and yea, ironic-python-agent doesn't fit into that model at all. an analog might be "nova can-use external(xenserver | xenapi | libvirt | ....)" | 22:06 |
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| jogo | devananda: right | 22:06 |
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| devananda | shouldn't need to cogate because we should have stable contracts between services | 22:07 |
| devananda | (we don't today, but we should) | 22:07 |
| devananda | if that's what you mean, ++ | 22:07 |
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| devananda | well, maybe | 22:09 |
| devananda | I think that's not quite right. our APIs have more than one type of "user". | 22:09 |
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| jogo | well all things should communicate with stable APIs | 22:12 |
| jogo | but something that requires the end user to talk to both APIs is more tightly coupled | 22:12 |
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| jogo | what does having more then one type of user have to do with this | 22:13 |
| devananda | thinking... | 22:13 |
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| devananda | it was the phrase "end user" that I'm responding to, I think | 22:14 |
| jogo | FYI this is the latest graph: http://i.imgur.com/wNK5QPo.png | 22:14 |
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| jogo | I don't think it matters what type of end user it is | 22:16 |
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| devananda | jogo: you're saying only red lines should cogate, not black lines | 22:17 |
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| jogo | devananda: yes | 22:18 |
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| jogo | well not exactly | 22:18 |
| jogo | I am saying red line *should* co-gate. I am not saying black lines cannot co-gate | 22:19 |
| devananda | ah | 22:19 |
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| devananda | jogo: so the think that's sticking in my mind is that there are only two red arrows | 22:23 |
| devananda | jogo: don't we have more "user interacts with both services" things? | 22:23 |
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| devananda | jogo: eg, glance+nova -- I ask glance for a list of images, then ask nova to boot that image | 22:24 |
| jogo | devananda: that is a great question | 22:24 |
| jogo | hmm | 22:24 |
| jogo | there is a nova proxy to it | 22:24 |
| devananda | jogo: ignore the nova image proxy for a moment :) | 22:24 |
| devananda | there's also a nova volume and network proxy ... | 22:25 |
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| jogo | network proxy isn't really enough for neutron | 22:25 |
| jogo | and I thought we killed volume in a fire | 22:25 |
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| devananda | maybe we did | 22:25 |
| devananda | but that's another discussion, which is why, frum a dependency POV, I don't think the proxies count | 22:25 |
| devananda | so why is nova-glance not red? | 22:26 |
| jogo | it probably should be | 22:26 |
| devananda | should all the ->keystone lines be red? | 22:26 |
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| devananda | what does it mean to use nova w/o first creating a user in keystone | 22:27 |
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| jogo | that counts as setup | 22:27 |
| devananda | but it's also an API call | 22:28 |
| devananda | just made by a more privileged user | 22:28 |
| jogo | its not something a regular end user needs to know about | 22:28 |
| devananda | that's why the term "end user" here seems out of place. | 22:28 |
| devananda | you're probably tryign to describe something that I don't quite understand yet though | 22:28 |
| jogo | a regular user? | 22:28 |
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| jogo | well we cannot model this for every case | 22:29 |
| jogo | I *do not* think keystone should need to be co-gated with anything else in the long run | 22:29 |
| jogo | assuming they don't break there APIs | 22:29 |
| devananda | sure | 22:29 |
| devananda | totally agree on that | 22:29 |
| devananda | though | 22:30 |
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| devananda | in the model that mordred and I drew up a bit ago, it *was* cogated with everything by virtue of the ring-compute+thing-integration tests | 22:30 |
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| jogo | your jumping the gun | 22:31 |
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| jogo | I am trying to model the relationships and derive a testing model based on that not the other way around | 22:31 |
| devananda | that's exactly what we did | 22:32 |
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| devananda | except on a white board after a long day. so we probably got lots of things wrong | 22:32 |
| devananda | jogo: so, if things are cogated based on black and red lines | 22:34 |
| jogo | so I still think the keystone link should be black | 22:34 |
| devananda | then lots of things would cogate with keystone | 22:34 |
| jogo | well bi-directional cogating? | 22:34 |
| devananda | oh. no | 22:34 |
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| devananda | sorry. brainfart. | 22:34 |
| jogo | things co-gate with keystone but keystone doesn't co-gate with them type thing | 22:34 |
| devananda | i meant things run an integration test with keystone in their tree | 22:34 |
| devananda | yea | 22:34 |
| devananda | not that keystone is gated on the other projects | 22:35 |
| jogo | so lets go back to glance-nova | 22:35 |
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| jogo | I think its a bit of a stretch but reasonable to make that line red | 22:35 |
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| jogo | any other red lines? | 22:36 |
| devananda | possibly | 22:36 |
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| jogo | I added one from neutron to nova | 22:36 |
| jogo | as well | 22:36 |
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| mordred | jogo: so - there's a reason when I wrote this up as text that I differentiated things that were installed in the devstack that a thing ran its tests against and the make up of the co-gating trigger relationship | 22:48 |
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| mordred | because keystone is installed in almost all of them (although not necessarily all) - but the need to co-gate is much smaller | 22:49 |
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| bknudson | we've already got an issue where if any gate job is flaky keystone jobs fail all over the place. | 22:52 |
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| bknudson | I know there's a gate issue with keystone but the gate failures are not symmetric | 22:53 |
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| jogo | bknudson: you mean the gate failure rates are not symmetric? | 23:05 |
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| jogo | mordred: so I am thinking anything with a redline should have bi-directional co-gating http://i.imgur.com/z6ulvW8.png | 23:06 |
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| jogo | for things like cinder and keystone | 23:07 |
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| jogo | where its a one way dependency the test env will need keystone but we shouldn't *need to* run keystone API tests | 23:08 |
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| jogo | so keystone shouldn't need to co-gate with anything if they don't want to | 23:11 |
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| bknudson | nice. | 23:13 |
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| jogo | bknudson: being keystone should have good functional testing to make sure there API works et | 23:14 |
| jogo | etc | 23:14 |
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| jogo | using nova to test keystone is working makes things really hard to debug | 23:14 |
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| bknudson | there should be functional test to show that auth_token works and keystoneclient works with keystone. | 23:16 |
| jogo | bknudson: yup! | 23:16 |
| jogo | because if those work, nova will work with keysteone | 23:17 |
| jogo | keystone | 23:17 |
| jogo | and glance, etc | 23:17 |
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