Tuesday, 2014-04-01

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flwangflaper87: morning08:24
flaper87flwang: hey hey! :)08:24
flwangflaper87: now i'm able to create queues and messages from Marconi client with keystone auth strategy08:25
flwangflaper87: just FYI and I will test more scenarios08:25
flaper87flwang: mmh, how much did you have to change?08:28
flaper87I remember someone *fixing* that not long ago08:28
flwangfixing what?08:28
flaper87flwang: client -> marconi + keystone08:28
flaper87so, I'm curious to know how much you had to change08:29
flwangfor marconi server side, no change08:29
flwangfor client side, I just hack a conf param for simple.py to talk with server08:29
flwangplease poke me if there is anything wrong :)08:30
flaper87flwang: ah ok, cool! So, no actual changes to the library itself08:30
flwangI would say no08:30
flwangso seems you haven't touched that? and seems my test is helpful for you, right? :D08:31
flaper87yeah, it'd be nice to have a separate example that uses keystone08:31
flwangI mean for the client release08:31
flwangflaper87: do you think we need a separate file or just add a new case in the same simple.py?08:32
flaper87flwang: I'd say separate file08:32
flaper87I want the examples to have the exact code needed to talk to marconi08:32
flwangflaper87: will do that08:32
flwangdo you think we should read the auth info from env variable, reading from cmd arguments or just hardcode it?08:33
flwangnow I"m hardcoding it08:33
flaper87flwang: mmh, I'd say hard-code it, it's a code example, it doesn't have to be so fancy, lets leave the fancy things to the people willing to implement it08:35
flwangflaper87: nice08:35
flwangflaper87: I will submit a patch soon08:36
flwangflaper87: may I ask a question?08:39
flaper87flwang: you just did :P08:40
flaper87flwang: just kidding, of course you can! :D08:40
flwangflaper87: just don't want disturb you, because it may take you much time to answer :D08:40
flwangflaper87: after enable the keystone auth strategy08:40
flwanghow can I see those resources I have created before that?08:41
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flaper87flwang: mmh, you can08:50
flaper87you'll have to login08:50
flaper87that's the problem of using no tenant08:50
flwangflaper87: login for what, even login, the new queue will based on new tenant, and seems nobody can see the old non-tenant resources08:51
flwangflaper87: does that work as designed?08:51
flwangflaper87: so what's the typical /recommended approach about the auth? no-auth or keystone?08:52
flaper87flwang: wait wait, what do you mean the new queue will be based on a new tenant?08:55
flaper87I mean, if you use project X for creating the queue A without auth and then enable auth. The queue A in project X should still exist08:56
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flwangflaper87: let's repeat the process, 1. no auth mode, user created a queue Q1, 2. enable the keystone auth, under tenant T1, created Q2, now can the user see the Q1?08:56
flwangflaper87: I can see your point08:57
flaper87flwang: no, that's what I meant with "that's the problem of using no tenant"08:57
flwangflaper87: so you mean user must specify the tenant/project id if there is no auth, right?08:57
flaper87it's recommended to *always* use a tenant unless you're freaking sure you won't evern enable auth08:58
flwangflaper87: got it08:58
flwangflaper87: so next question08:58
flwangwhy we didn't create a separate field for project id?08:59
flwangany specific consideration?08:59
flaper87flwang: there was a separate field for it but having a compound field for queue and the project reduces the space needed in both memory and disk09:01
flaper87it also speeds up the queries09:01
flaper87and speeds up indexing09:01
flwangflaper87: you mean we do have a separate field for tenant/project id?09:02
flaper87flwang: we *had* one09:07
flwangseems current db scheme is different from you mentioned in this post http://blog.flaper87.com/post/5161e76f0f06d378ae482adc/  please correct me if I missed anything, thanks09:08
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flaper87flwang: oh yeah, it is different. That blog post is quite old :P09:09
flwangbrb, will ping you after 3 hours :D09:09
flaper87and I just realized there's no date in the blog post09:09
flaper87flwang: cool09:09
flwangflaper87: so now we don't have that, right?09:10
flaper87flwang: yeah, we don't have it09:10
flwangflaper87: so I'm concerning the query performance if keystone auth is always the common way09:11
flwanganyway, ttyl09:11
flaper87flwang: why ?09:11
flaper87there shouldn't be any performance degradation by enabling keystone09:11
flaper87not at a database level, at least09:11
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amitgandhiflaper87: its on our roadmap to move cloud backup to use marconi - but we need some benchmarks first ;-)13:23
flaper87amitgandhi: hehe, that sounds great13:24
amitgandhiand incredibly faster response times13:24
amitgandhicurrently we get 2ms13:24
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mpanetta_wow 2ms?13:25
amitgandhimpanetta_: RSE13:25
amitgandhibasically message loss is okay for it (so it doesnt need the write guarantee we currently have with mongo)13:26
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amitgandhiand its all pub sub13:26
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amitgandhiso no claims required13:26
mpanetta_Ah ok13:26
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amitgandhiim thinking the redis driver might meet its needs13:29
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malinigood morning!13:41
boris-42malini hey there13:42
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malinihey boris-42!13:42
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boris-42malini so if you have time =) I am free to help =)13:43
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malinithanks boris-42! I haven't had time yet to start on Rally . I will start exploring it, so I can come back with intelligent questions :)13:44
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boris-42malini okay=)13:44
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openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add sample for Keystone auth  https://review.openstack.org/8446014:37
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* kgriffs is hurtling down the highway on the Rackspace shuttle, using MiFi, hoping his connection stays up14:52
flwangkgriffs: God bless your connection :D14:54
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cpallaresalcabrera: :/14:58
alcabreracpallares: :P14:59
kgriffssweet: http://sphinxcontrib-napoleon.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html14:59
flwangmeeting time15:00
flaper87yo yo15:00
malinimeeting now?15:00
alcabrerakgriffs: very sweet sphinx-napoleon15:00
malinior am I messed up?15:00
srirammeeting now.15:00
alcabreramalini: it's meeting time. :)15:00
flaper87meeting now15:00
flaper87meeting now ?15:00
flaper87meeting now !15:00
flaper87meeting now15:00
flaper87meeting now ?15:00
malinigood..my brain is intact15:00
flaper87meeting now !15:00
flaper87meeting now15:00
maliniMEETING NOW15:00
flaper87malini: ok ok, meeting now, I GET IT!15:00
kgriffsI think there may be a meeting now?15:01
flaper87kgriffs: dude, meeting now15:01
srirammeeting now for the meeting at #openstack-meeting-alt15:01
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-marconiclient: Move auth tests under the unit package  https://review.openstack.org/8282015:28
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alcabreraI'm rather proud of our meeting minutes page.16:07
malinialcabrera: you should send it to the ML16:08
alcabreraoh yes -- I suppose there is that. I'll do it, malini. :)16:08
kgriffsalcabrera: with a nice prose summary16:09
alcabreradefinitely, kgriffs. :D16:10
alcabrerasometimes I feel like I'd have fun working as a technical advocate, if only for just a year16:10
malinialcabrera: 'you should send it' was meant to be a suggestion, not a dictate - forgive my grammar :D16:12
flaper87btw, I'm growing more of the idea that we should probably have something better than short-polling16:14
flaper87probably not Juno material but we should seriously think about it16:14
alcabreramalini: I understood it as a suggestion. :D16:14
flaper87This sounds like a good place for other folks to contribute with16:14
alcabreraI've spoken  with you before, so I'm familiar with your speech pattterns. I took it as encouragement and ran with it, so thank you!16:15
alcabreraI'm often hesistant about ML communication. Honestly, it scares me, and I think of any number of excuses to avoid it.16:16
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malinialcabrera: I was realllllyyyy scared of it too16:17
maliniBut the whole graduation thing helped me get over that16:17
malinithe first couple of mails is the hard one16:18
kgriffsflaper87: we could do a simple first iteration on short-polling I think16:21
alcabreramalini: it helped me a little, too16:22
alcabreragraduation -- if that's the worse I'll see on the ML, I don't feel so bad16:22
kgriffsif you assume that the WSGI server is configured to use greenlets, you could do something basic like just hold onto the connection for, say, 5 seconds, and poll the backend every 10 ms. You decrease load and latency on the web head at the expense of increased load on the backend. not sure about the tradeoff. :p16:22
alcabreraand I'm encourage by the presence of a community code of conduct16:23
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kgriffsmalini, flaper87, need a quick review on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83016/16:23
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* flaper87 clicks16:24
flaper87kgriffs: btw, before cutting rc1, can we make marconi-server fork "optional" ?16:24
flaper87like, not the default thing16:24
openstackgerritKurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Open Juno development  https://review.openstack.org/8449016:26
kgriffsflaper87: oh, yeah, forgot about that16:26
flaper87I guess not :P16:26
kgriffsno, I can abandon the patch16:26
flaper87kgriffs: coooooool16:26
flaper87don't, mark it as WIP16:26
flaper87kgriffs: do you have time to fix that?16:27
flaper87I'm about to go afk16:27
kgriffsflaper87: mmm16:27
flaper87for a bit16:27
flaper87kgriffs: I can do it later today16:27
flaper87or tomorrow16:27
flaper87(unless someone else wants to tackle that mpanetta? )16:27
flaper87malini: ^16:27
kgriffslet me see if I can do it or someone else16:27
kgriffsmpanetta: ^16:28
flaper87mpanetta: kgriffs and I think you can do it so you'll do it16:28
flaper87kgriffs: RUN RUN RUN16:28
kgriffsmpanetta: basically, we want to make forking marconi-server optional, and disabled by default unless you pass a flag16:29
mpanettaAh ok16:29
kgriffsthat is going to break out devstack job, right?16:30
mpanettaUnless we change the devstack job to use whatever flag we choose.16:30
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kgriffswe will have to submit a patch for that too, to pass the flag I guess16:30
mpanettawhat do we use to manage command line opts?16:31
kgriffsmpanetta: I think you can do that with oslo.config16:34
openstackgerritFei Long Wang proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Add sample for Keystone auth  https://review.openstack.org/8446016:34
mpanettaAh ok16:35
kgriffsmpanetta: I think you set an option and tell it to be exposed on the CLI16:36
kgriffsflaper87 should be able to point you in the right direction... but we need to figure out what to do about devstack16:36
kgriffsI kinda don't want to break that right now. :p16:36
mpanettaWhat is the use case for having it run in the foreground?16:37
kgriffsmaybe we can do this an an ENV variable - and use one that is already set in devstack16:37
mpanettaSeems kinda kludgy...16:37
mpanettaI donno16:37
kgriffsmpanetta: so, contributors and SDK developers like running it in the foreground and it is more common for services to require a '-d' flag16:37
mpanettaAh ok yes16:38
kgriffsmpanetta: yeah, not sure about the ENV, but maybe it is iteration 1 and iteration 2 we change to use a flag once Juno opens16:38
kgriffsmalini: what do you suggest?16:38
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mpanettaDoes that mean we need to put all the terminal things back too?16:38
kgriffsmpanetta: nah, it doesn't have to be really fancy16:39
kgriffsmpanetta: can you follow up with Malini and flaper87? I gotta run for a bit.16:39
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flwangflaper87: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84460/16:42
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/marconi: Improve cleanup of test_insert_queue_header_asterisk  https://review.openstack.org/8301616:52
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maliniwhy doesnt the 'marconi-server &' work ?17:23
maliniLet me just chk other projects in devstack too17:23
malinithey are really worried about 'not consistent with other projects'17:24
alcabreramalini: doesn't work?17:24
alcabrerawhat does it do?17:24
alcabreraDoes it fail to launch and repsond to requests?17:25
amitgandhithat macaroni email is hilarious17:31
mpanettamalini: marconi-server & does not work???17:32
malinihmm..I thought that was why we ended up doing all the hacks? Can I eat my words?17:32
alcabreraref: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/031551.html (Marconi -> Macaroni)17:33
mpanettaI see what you mean, that is an open question to devstack?17:33
mpanettaalcabrera: haha17:34
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maliniwhatever we end up doing wrt getting marconi-server back on foreground(which I agree we need to), lets all test it on devstack before merging17:43
alcabrerahappy April Fool's day, Macaroni team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-April/031558.html17:43
alcabrera*April 1st17:43
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cpallaresalcabrera: LOL17:52
alcabreraflaper87: ping17:53
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mpanettaalcabrera: Yes, we all know that flaper87 is a benevolent robot ;)17:55
alcabrerampanetta: macaroni team knows what I'm talking about. :P17:55
mpanettaExactly! haha17:56
* cpallares wonders if flaper87 is conspiring a SkyNet-inspired uprising17:58
mpanettaMaybe.  Can robots be transported over queues?17:59
* flaper87 back17:59
* flaper87 was having dinner17:59
* flaper87 had a club house17:59
mpanettayum install sandwich17:59
maliniflaper87 eats a house for dinner18:00
malinimore proof he is not human18:00
flaper87malini: not just the house, the people in it too18:00
mpanettaA club house no less18:00
flaper87lol at macaroni18:00
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mpanettaSo lots of partying people18:00
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macaroniwow this is registered heh18:01
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* flaper87 just replied18:06
flaper87and there's the Nth proof that I'm a robot18:06
* flaper87 doesn't like cheese *at all*18:06
alcabreraoh wow18:07
* alcabrera adores cheese18:07
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* malini have seen alcabrera eating a pound of cheese for lunch18:14
mpanettahahaha closedstack.org18:14
mpanettaMmmm cheese18:14
alcabreraIt was like 1/2 lb, but yes. :D18:17
mpanettaalcabrera: The real question is, what kind?18:18
alcabrerampanetta: meunster18:18
mpanettaOo yummy.18:18
malinidid you just make that up ? meunster!18:19
mpanettaalcabrera: Did you see the disclaimer at the bottom? lol18:20
mpanettaI loves me some cheese.  All kinds.  Esp romano and various bleu ones.18:20
alcabreramalini: no, meunster was the cheese I ate that day. It was really good. <318:20
alcabreraget the software, mpanetta: http://infinitymq.org/page:get-the-software18:21
alcabrerait's horrid18:21
alcabrera"an offense punishable under the United Kingdom 1972 Traffic Cones and Home Pets Custodial License Act section 11 paragraph 3b"18:21
mpanettaOi, parse error!18:22
mpanettaalcabrera: Yes! lol18:22
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kgriffsbalajiiyer: do you have someone in mind who would be a good candidate for this graduation requirement?18:35
kgriffs"Project must provide a 2+ person team that will handle the project specific vulnerability process"18:36
kgriffsmalini: ping18:38
malinikgriffs: pong18:42
balajiiyerkgriffs:  Jamie Painter?18:43
kgriffsmalini: was wondering if I could include you in that team above18:43
maliniI could - but I need to figure out what to do18:44
kgriffsbalajiiyer: ok, I can add him for now18:44
kgriffsmalini: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Vulnerability_Management18:44
kgriffsBasically, we need a few people to take point on fixing any security bugs that arise18:45
kgriffsI was thinking you, me, painterjd18:45
malinisure..I can learn more on security along the way18:46
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kgriffsmalini, balajiiyer, alcabrera, flaper87, flwang: I added malini to the core team list on the wiki and also created a new "champions" section.18:48
kgriffsThe home page is getting pretty long now, but I expect that to get fixed up in a few weeks when we redo the wiki18:49
kgriffsmeeting time18:49
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alcabreraGood night, all. o/20:00
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