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| flwang | flaper87: hey | 08:16 |
| flaper87 | flwang: hey hey | 08:16 |
| flwang | flaper87: do you have a free moment? some questions I'd to discuss | 08:17 |
| flaper87 | flwang: shoot | 08:17 |
| flwang | nice, thanks | 08:17 |
| flwang | generally, I'd like to understand the transport layer of Marconi better | 08:18 |
| flwang | flaper87: you know, we will support zmp as the transport layer soon | 08:19 |
| flwang | flaper87: so is it because zmp has the great support as a transport layer independently? | 08:20 |
| flaper87 | flwang: so, whether we will support zmq soon or not is still under discussion | 08:20 |
| flwang | flaper87: in other words, is it possible ^bake^ the rabbit? | 08:20 |
| flaper87 | we will support more transports at some point but this is perhaps not the right moment | 08:21 |
| flaper87 | flwang: the transport layer behaves the same way the storage layer does | 08:21 |
| flwang | flaper87: I see, I'm just trying to figure out this from the technical POV | 08:21 |
| flaper87 | that is, it allows for plugging different transport (protocols) as the way to communicate between the client and marconi | 08:21 |
| flaper87 | A transport could be a raw TCP library | 08:22 |
| flaper87 | for example | 08:22 |
| flaper87 | zmq, would be a good transport layer although I'd probably go with a raw TCP transport at this point | 08:22 |
| flaper87 | note that the transport doesn't hold (or shouldn't hold) the information about the API | 08:22 |
| flaper87 | it just knows how to send / receive data | 08:23 |
| flwang | flaper87: so as a transport layer, it can be any protocol if it can transfer the message between c/s, is it? | 08:23 |
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| soulcheck | Hi All! Got a quiestion. How would yo go about implementing a DLQ or at least redelivery policy on top of marconi? | 08:29 |
| flaper87 | flwang: correct | 08:29 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I'd like to do more research on that, TBH | 08:29 |
| flaper87 | flwang: zmq seemed like a good idea at the time, I'm not sure about that anymore | 08:29 |
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| soulcheck | I'm in a situation where i really need some messages redelivered up to certain number of times and then be discarded/put in the DLQ | 08:31 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: that's a really interesting question | 08:32 |
| soulcheck | I thought there was some message metadata available (like i.e. claim count) but I can't find anything | 08:32 |
| flwang | flaper87: thanks for the clarification, actually, I'm doing some investigation about the Marconi + IBM Websphere MQ | 08:32 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: there isn't but these kind of questions / feedback are exactly what we need | 08:33 |
| flwang | soulcheck: DLQ == Dead Letter Queue? | 08:34 |
| flaper87 | flwang: yeah | 08:34 |
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| soulcheck | flwang: yes, but it doesn't have to be a DLQ exactly | 08:34 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: would you mind to explain your use case in detail? | 08:35 |
| flaper87 | what does your APP do? | 08:35 |
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| flwang | soulcheck: it's an interesting idea, I'd like to see those undeliverable messages can be put in a specific queue(DLQ) can then retry specific times | 08:36 |
| flaper87 | flwang: well, we should first define what "undeliverable message" means in this context | 08:37 |
| soulcheck | flaper87: We want to use marconi as a queue for a service where processing can fail for reasons external to marconi. Of course in typical error case we can just wait until claim expires or unclaim messages manually. | 08:37 |
| flaper87 | They used to exist in a world where queues were not lazy resources and were first-citizens | 08:37 |
| soulcheck | the problem is that if a message fails constantly we'd like to have a way of detecting it and removing it from the queue to avoid it being reprocessed | 08:37 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: ohh, mmh, good point | 08:38 |
| soulcheck | in worst case we can have a bunch of bad messages that get claimed constantly and don't allow good ones to be processed | 08:38 |
| soulcheck | flaper87: thanks. I think a simple counter that says how many times message was claimed until now would be sufficient | 08:39 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: with the current version of marconi, it'd have to be implemented client-side. But I could see this being implemented in marconi 2 | 08:39 |
| flaper87 | s/2/too/ | 08:39 |
| flaper87 | there are things to consider (re counter) | 08:39 |
| flaper87 | It'd be really easy to implement in storage drivers like mongodb's but it'd be quite an adventure to implement in an amqp based driver | 08:40 |
| flaper87 | it'd require some sort of combination between re-sending+special-topics | 08:41 |
| flaper87 | maybe... | 08:41 |
| flaper87 | We'd need to have topic-flavors for sure | 08:41 |
| flwang | flaper87: can I back to my question now? | 08:44 |
| soulcheck | flaper87: yeah, i imagined it can be problematic (mind i know next to nil about ampq) . Still might be worth considering, especially that now users are forced to either use all-or-nothing strategy or to manage the redelivery policy internally in the client. Which in distributed case might mean using something persistent to store claim counts, etc. | 08:44 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: sure | 08:45 |
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| soulcheck | sorry for hijacking ;) | 08:45 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: no hijack at all, it's IRC | 08:46 |
| flaper87 | :) | 08:46 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: I can see how that would be annoying from a user's perspective. I think this can be part of the API. Would you mind filing a blueprint for this? | 08:47 |
| flaper87 | so we don't forget the idea and who raised it ;) | 08:47 |
| soulcheck | flaper87: sure, no prob | 08:47 |
| soulcheck | flaper87: in the bugtracker? | 08:48 |
| flaper87 | soulcheck: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/marconi/+addspec | 08:48 |
| soulcheck | flaper87: ok, i'm on it | 08:49 |
| flwang | flaper87: see this https://www.ng.bluemix.net/docs/Services/mqs/mqs010_.html | 08:49 |
| * flaper87 clicks | 08:49 | |
| flwang | flaper87: maybe IBM can contribute a transport driver of Websphere MQ | 08:52 |
| flwang | but maybe it's complicated to position the Marconi and ElasticMQ service from IBM perspective ;) | 08:52 |
| flaper87 | Nothing forbids IBM for working on that, actually, it would be an amazing thing to have | 08:59 |
| flaper87 | I wouldn't merge it in the code base though. Instead, I'd prefer to have it as an external transport plugin | 08:59 |
| flwang | flaper87: I can see your point | 09:07 |
| flwang | flaper87: thanks for the comments | 09:08 |
| flaper87 | flwang: my pleasure :) | 09:08 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87934/ | 09:41 |
| flaper87 | :) | 09:41 |
| flwang | flaper87: ah, my dinner tonight | 09:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/marconi: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/88723 | 09:56 |
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| flaper87 | AAzza: congrats ;) | 09:57 |
| AAzza | flaper87: :-D thanks) | 09:59 |
| flaper87 | brb | 09:59 |
| flaper87 | AAzza: gotta ask you a couple of things when I'm back | 10:00 |
| AAzza | flaper87: okey) | 10:00 |
| flwang | flaper87: ping | 10:02 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: pong | 10:20 |
| flwang | flaper87: just have a glance with your patch, IMHO, the original behaviour has been changed, so do you think it's deserved a test? | 10:21 |
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| flaper87 | flwang: the test there is testing the original behavior. Streaming, that is | 10:23 |
| flaper87 | I could add a new test for the new behaviour | 10:23 |
| flwang | it would be cool | 10:23 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I'll add it later today | 10:24 |
| flaper87 | thanks for the review | 10:24 |
| flwang | thanks for taking my suggestion :D | 10:25 |
| flwang | I'm booking hotel :) | 10:25 |
| flwang | btw, did you book the hotel? | 10:25 |
| flaper87 | flwang: WTF? Are you really going to be there? | 10:25 |
| flaper87 | AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME | 10:26 |
| flaper87 | AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME! | 10:26 |
| flaper87 | so, I don't know what hotel I booked at | 10:26 |
| flwang | flaper87: haha, I'm trying my best to give you guys a surprise | 10:26 |
| * flaper87 is surprised :) | 10:26 | |
| flwang | flaper87: ok, I will check with alcabrera|afk which hotel is good | 10:28 |
| flaper87 | flwang: https://www.openstack.org/summit/openstack-summit-atlanta-2014/hotels/ | 10:28 |
| flaper87 | flwang: I'm at the westin | 10:29 |
| flaper87 | but it's sold out now | 10:29 |
| flwang | okay, I need to make sure the hotel is on IBM hotel list | 10:29 |
| flwang | I will take a look and pick one near by you guys so that can get a drunk | 10:30 |
| flwang | brb | 10:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Initial support for openstack-client https://review.openstack.org/87937 | 11:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Flavio Percoco proposed a change to openstack/python-marconiclient: Don't stream by default https://review.openstack.org/87934 | 11:26 |
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| alcabrera | oh wow, flwang! | 13:39 |
| alcabrera | hurray! | 13:39 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: that was surprising! | 13:39 |
| alcabrera | also, good morning! | 13:39 |
| alcabrera | :D | 13:39 |
| flaper87 | goooooooooooooooood morning :D | 13:39 |
| malini | \\\\\\\\o///////////// | 13:40 |
| alcabrera | malini: that is amazing! You seem well-armed. :D | 13:41 |
| malini | YES!!! I brought in my extra arms today!! | 13:41 |
| malini | flaper87, AAzza: ping | 13:42 |
| flaper87 | malini: pong | 13:42 |
| flaper87 | malini: good morning | 13:42 |
| * flaper87 was adding stuff to the agenda | 13:42 | |
| malini | flaper87: good afternoon! | 13:42 |
| alcabrera | oh yeah - meeting todsay. @_@ | 13:42 |
| flaper87 | FYI, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-meetings | 13:42 |
| * alcabrera is all caught up prepping a haskell talk | 13:42 | |
| alcabrera | *caught -> tied | 13:42 |
| alcabrera | *today | 13:43 |
| flaper87 | also, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Marconi/FAQ | 13:43 |
| flaper87 | I already moved some Q&A there | 13:43 |
| alcabrera | w00t | 13:43 |
| alcabrera | thanks you, flaper87! | 13:43 |
| alcabrera | which reminds me | 13:44 |
| alcabrera | that I still need to check out oslo.messaging | 13:44 |
| * flaper87 prepares his shotgun and asks: | 13:44 | |
| flaper87 | Did you guys vote for the TC election? | 13:44 |
| malini | flaper87, AAzza: I dont feel good about using the application code to do the validation in test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88538/2/tests/functional/wsgi/v1/test_queues.py .what if our API validation method itself becomes buggy | 13:44 |
| malini | flaper87: aah..NO..thanks for the reminder | 13:44 |
| malini | I dont know how I could forget that | 13:45 |
| flaper87 | malini: well, that's exactly what the test is for, right? I mean, it feels weird to test json schema without going through json schema | 13:45 |
| malini | flaper87: The test verifies the response body for our API calls -not necessarily the validate method | 13:46 |
| malini | But I didnt get the "it feels weird to test json schema without going through json schema" | 13:46 |
| malini | can you explain more? | 13:46 |
| flaper87 | malini: erm, sorry, badly worded. I mean, it feels weird to test jsonschema's schema without using jsonschema. | 13:46 |
| flaper87 | oh wait, is that assertSchema a Marconi thing that you created | 13:47 |
| flaper87 | ? | 13:47 |
| malini | flaper87: yes | 13:52 |
| flaper87 | malini: oh girl, I'm so sorry. Then you're totally right! | 13:52 |
| malini | BWAHAHAAHAAAA | 13:53 |
| flaper87 | I thought that was some testtools method | 13:53 |
| flaper87 | :( :( :( | 13:53 |
| malini | I created the assertSchema to give a better o/p message if the test fails | 13:53 |
| flaper87 | yeah, I remembered that few minutes ago | 13:54 |
| flaper87 | damn! | 13:54 |
| flaper87 | malini: done, reverted my -2 and added a comment | 13:55 |
| malini | cool ! So the plan is to eventually convert all of our func tests to use jsonschema for validation | 13:56 |
| malini | We will use the same approach in all the tests | 13:56 |
| flaper87 | yeah, that makes sense | 13:56 |
| malini | Thanks for reviewing this flaper87! | 13:56 |
| malini | We really need the extra eyes, since we will eventually use this in all the tests | 13:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nataliia Uvarova proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Use jsonschema for testing queue https://review.openstack.org/88538 | 14:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nataliia Uvarova proposed a change to openstack/marconi: Use jsonschema for testing queue https://review.openstack.org/88538 | 14:45 |
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| alcabrera | flaper87, malini, flwang, kgriffs: we ready to marconi meet? :) | 15:00 |
| flaper87 | FuckYeah | 15:01 |
| flwang | alcabrera: yep, i'm standing by :) | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | meting | 15:01 |
| kgriffs | yeppers | 15:01 |
| balajiiyer | #openstack-meeting-alt | 15:01 |
| malini | jchai: Can you join the marconi meeting at #openstack-meeting-alt plz? | 15:05 |
| flaper87 | AAzza: mind joining ^^^^ | 15:05 |
| AAzza | flaper87: Oo | 15:06 |
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| flaper87 | AAzza: it's marconi's meeting, we're in #openstack-marconi-alt | 15:09 |
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| kgriffs | AAzza: malini is going to introduce you in a moment | 15:13 |
| kgriffs | :D | 15:13 |
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| kgriffs | no, that's how awesome you guys are. Our People Make the Difference™. | 15:15 |
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| jchai | malini: just joined | 15:29 |
| malini | thank you jchai!! | 15:29 |
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| alcabrera | could I get someone to update the meeting minutes today? | 16:02 |
| alcabrera | malini, flaper87, kgriffs: ? | 16:02 |
| malini | alcabrera: I thought a bot did that!! | 16:02 |
| alcabrera | hahaha | 16:02 |
| malini | now I know who the bot is :D | 16:02 |
| alcabrera | yes! | 16:03 |
| malini | I can | 16:03 |
| alcabrera | a bot with 300 slides on haskell, type theory, and FP | 16:03 |
| alcabrera | :D :D :D | 16:03 |
| alcabrera | malini: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Marconi#Agenda | 16:04 |
| alcabrera | brb | 16:05 |
| Obulpathi | alcabrera: 300 slides :( | 16:06 |
| alcabrera | wahahaha | 16:06 |
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| malini | kgriffs, flaper87: wrt Marconi dinner | 16:07 |
| * kgriffs is listening | 16:07 | |
| malini | I think we need to do it on Sunday | 16:07 |
| malini | to get all the out of towners in | 16:08 |
| malini | We have someone flying in at 1 pm, & somebody else on Sunday night | 16:08 |
| malini | kgriffs: when do you get here? | 16:08 |
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| kgriffs | saturday | 16:10 |
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| malini | do we have a sponsor for the dinner/lunch? | 16:12 |
| malini | It would be a shame to invite everybody & find out we have no money :D | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | arrive 3:50 pm | 16:12 |
| kgriffs | lol, well people can just expense the dinner I guess. Depends on how formal we want to make it | 16:12 |
| malini | ametts is going to get some expensive expense requests :D | 16:14 |
| * ametts is sticking his fingers in his ears and going "la la la la" | 16:15 | |
| malini | :D | 16:15 |
| malini | Guess we should all meet at Waffle House ! | 16:15 |
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| malini | kgriffs: This is the list we came up with while you were at PyCon https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-party | 16:15 |
| ametts | I hear McDonald's has a 99 cent menu... | 16:16 |
| malini | wonder if they have macaroni | 16:16 |
| cpallares | malini: LOL | 16:16 |
| amitgandhi | ametts: malini and kgriffs dont expense up to you remember =) | 16:16 |
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| cpallares | does anyone have a problem with tox saying this: pep8: could not install deps? | 16:18 |
| malini | kgriffs: Plz add anybody we are missing | 16:19 |
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| kgriffs | cpallares: mmm, depends on the exact error | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | sometimes PyPI just times out | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | otherwise, it could be an incompatibility between libraries | 16:21 |
| kgriffs | malini: looks like a good list. If I can think of anyone else, I'll add them | 16:22 |
| cpallares | kgriffs: Mmm... Well it's quite long. http://paste.openstack.org/show/76656/ | 16:28 |
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| kgriffs | flaper87, malini, flwang: Please glance at this rough draft and let me know if the major categories look correct. The sub-categories we can play with later, but I want to get started refactoring the wiki ASAP so it will be ready for the summit. | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/marconi-wiki-sitemap | 16:37 |
| kgriffs | cpallares: looking | 16:38 |
| kgriffs | "make sure the development packages of libxml2 and libxslt are installed" | 16:39 |
| kgriffs | i think that is your issue | 16:39 |
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| flaper87 | cpallares: yum install libxslt-devel libxml2-devel libxml-devel ;) | 16:41 |
| * flaper87 clicks | 16:41 | |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: I'll go through it in a bit... dinner time | 16:41 |
| cpallares | flaper87: enjoy :) | 16:41 |
| kgriffs | flaper87: no worries. BTW, note that I split up the FAQ across several "guides" | 16:41 |
| flaper87 | kgriffs: awesome, thanks! | 16:42 |
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| kgriffs | like to get your thoughts on doing that | 16:42 |
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| malini | kgriffs: just checked the wiki refactor | 17:33 |
| malini | looks good | 17:33 |
| kgriffs | great, thanks! | 17:40 |
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| kgriffs | malini: have you read this book? | 18:16 |
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| kgriffs | http://www.amazon.com/Writing-Effective-Cases-Alistair-Cockburn/dp/0201702258 | 18:17 |
| kgriffs | malini: you will probably recognize that I use a simplified template from that book in my writing | 18:18 |
| kgriffs | (see also: http://alistair.cockburn.us/Basic+use+case+template) | 18:18 |
| kgriffs | bbl - lunch! | 18:18 |
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| malini | kgriffs|afk: I havent..Thanks for the link | 18:30 |
| malini | alcabrera, flaper87: how do I build v1.1 of marconi-server? | 18:31 |
| malini | I just need to get the v1.1 of the API running via gunicorn/marconi-server | 18:31 |
| malini | jchai: Is there any reason why only some schemas have 'status_code' in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/87762/5/tempest/api_schema/queuing/v1/queues.py ? | 18:42 |
| jchai | Yes. The ones with status code are the main response | 18:43 |
| jchai | The other ones are elements within that main response | 18:43 |
| jchai | The rest client has the function validate_response that parses the status_code and performs that validation | 18:44 |
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| alcabrera | malini: gunicorn marconi.queues.transport.wsgi.v1_1.app:app | 18:54 |
| sriram | alcabrera: you beat me to it | 18:54 |
| sriram | :P | 18:54 |
| malini | thanks jchai! | 18:55 |
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| malini | thanks alcabrera & beaten sriram ;) | 18:55 |
| sriram | malini: lol | 18:55 |
| alcabrera | :D | 18:55 |
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| AAzza | hi again, how to ask Jenkins to recheck the patch? | 19:41 |
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| alcabrera | AAzza: reverify no bug | 19:47 |
| alcabrera | as a comment | 19:48 |
| alcabrera | Let me know if that helps, AAzza. :) | 19:48 |
| flaper87 | it's 'recheck no bug' for jenkins rechecks | 19:48 |
| flaper87 | and 'reverify #BUG_NUMBER_HERE' when the patch has been approved | 19:48 |
| flaper87 | The 'reverify no bug' thing was removed :( | 19:49 |
| AAzza | thanks, 'recheck no bug' works) | 19:51 |
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| alcabrera | flaper87: knows best. :D | 19:54 |
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| alcabrera | I'm headed out. Take care, all! | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: nooooooooooooooooooooo | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: I was about to ask you something :D | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | ttyt | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | enjoy the rest of your day | 20:17 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: hahaha | 20:20 |
| alcabrera | k | 20:20 |
| alcabrera | one question | 20:20 |
| alcabrera | flaper87: what'd you have in mind? :) | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | alcabrera: you already answered it on twitter ;) | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | :) | 20:20 |
| flaper87 | thanks man! | 20:20 |
| alcabrera | ah, alright! | 20:21 |
| alcabrera | catch you later. :D | 20:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: fix(metadata): Fix inconsistent error response under v1.1 https://review.openstack.org/89709 | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Kurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: fix(metadata): Fix inconsistent error response under v1.1 https://review.openstack.org/89709 | 22:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Kurt Griffiths proposed a change to openstack/marconi: fix(metadata): Fix inconsistent error response under v1.1 https://review.openstack.org/89709 | 22:47 |
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