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| thomasem | libvirt meeting today? | 15:06 |
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| kashyap | thomasem, I don't think anyone posted any agenda today | 15:12 |
| danpb | forgot about this again :-( | 15:12 |
| kashyap | I notified Dan Berrange who's the meeting organizer | 15:12 |
| danpb | does anyone have an agenda to discuss ? if not we can skip it | 15:12 |
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| kashyap | You also might want to solicit in #openstack-nova? | 15:13 |
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| thomasem | back | 15:16 |
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| thomasem | danpb, I think s1rp_ just needed to get eyes on a review | 15:16 |
| nelsnelson | Oh, greetings, danpb... | 15:16 |
| danpb | yep, there's a tonne of pending reviews in general, so I don't think we need to have a meeting just for that... | 15:17 |
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| thomasem | oh yeah, just mentioning. :) | 15:17 |
| nelsnelson | I was hoping to ask about an e-mail I sent to the openstack dev list... | 15:17 |
| nelsnelson | "[openstack-dev] [compute][tempest] Upgrading libvirt-lxc support status" | 15:17 |
| nelsnelson | I haven't see any replies to that one yet. | 15:17 |
| danpb | nelsnelson: best just reply the mail asking for feedback to bump it up people's radar | 15:18 |
| nelsnelson | Okay, will do. Thank ya. | 15:18 |
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| lparth | \part | 15:25 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 16:01:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 16:01 |
| david-lyle | Hello anyone here today? | 16:01 |
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| tzumainn | hiya! | 16:01 |
| jpich | Hello o/ | 16:01 |
| t_mazur | hello o/ | 16:01 |
| rhagarty | hello | 16:01 |
| ericpete_ | Hiya | 16:01 |
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| jtomasek_ | hey | 16:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Hello | 16:02 |
| jomara | ahoy | 16:02 |
| jcoufal | o/ | 16:03 |
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| david-lyle | The only general item I have for today is https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/juno-2 | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | j-2 closes on July 24 | 16:04 |
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| david-lyle | lots of reviews and most not already under review are going to likely bump to j03 | 16:05 |
| david-lyle | s/j03/j-3/ | 16:05 |
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| david-lyle | the sahara panels remain a priority and are getting lots of reviews | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | so thanks to everyone on their efforts there | 16:06 |
| crobertsrh | Yes. Thank you! | 16:06 |
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| tzumainn | is the custom gerrit dashboard useful for seeing the reviews that need to be done? | 16:06 |
| david-lyle | the less to scss switch went in and we now anxiously await a bootstrap upgrade, no pressure jtomasek ;) | 16:07 |
| david-lyle | tzumainn: I've been using it, so for me yes, thank you | 16:07 |
| tzumainn | okay, great - want an updated one? it doesn't self-update as new bugs are added to juno-2 | 16:07 |
| jtomasek | david-lyle: I am on it, I'd like to send first review tomorrow | 16:07 |
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| david-lyle | jtomasek: no worries, whenever it's ready | 16:08 |
| david-lyle | thanks | 16:08 |
| lblanchard | hi all | 16:08 |
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| david-lyle | The only other lingering item was a potential mid-cycle meetup, limited interest https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-horizon-meetup, so we may just punt on that | 16:09 |
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| david-lyle | anyone going to Django Con US? could we arrange something there? | 16:09 |
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| david-lyle | http://www.djangocon.us/ | 16:10 |
| jpich | Without the location it's hard to say anything. Going to the US is a different budget and time requirement :) | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | jpich: understood | 16:10 |
| david-lyle | I think if we plan on a midcyle, we need to have it mostly in place by the summit and give people time to plan | 16:11 |
| jpich | It'd be cool if you can manage something at DjangoCon US though, maybe start a habit of meeting up in cons all over the world :-) | 16:11 |
| jpich | Agreed! | 16:11 |
| jpich | or soon after | 16:11 |
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| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 16:13 | |
| david-lyle | there were no items added to the agenda so we'll open it up | 16:13 |
| tsufiev | i'd like to ask about this one: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039448.html | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | I don't see radomir today, any one have an update on the javascript extraction? | 16:13 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: I haven't had time to dig into that too deeply, the benefit of signed cookies is HA support and ease of use | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | the downside is certainly the 4K limit | 16:15 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, and some security issues highlighted in that letter | 16:15 |
| david-lyle | Keystone wants to move to a model of non-persistent tokens by default, which causes us to need a session store backend on the horizon server | 16:15 |
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| david-lyle | If Horizon is not configured to use SSL, I think all solutions are perilous | 16:16 |
| tsufiev | agree | 16:16 |
| david-lyle | I imagine needing to move to memcached being the default session store | 16:17 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, is there some mail thread about keystone moving to none-persistent tokens? | 16:17 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: I have to track it down, they talked about it at the summit and I was given a heads up that it's in flight | 16:18 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, yes, afaik, it also provides HA, but perhaps a bit harder to set up | 16:18 |
| jpich | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/039398.html or is that something else again? | 16:19 |
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| david-lyle | the short story on the non-persistent tokens is, keystone wants to not maintain the tokens server side, so once we get a PKI or PKIZ token, we can no longer just use the hash of it and pass that around, because keystone won't be able to map that hash to a token on their side | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | jpich: somewhat related, but yet something else | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | :) | 16:20 |
| david-lyle | I need to get a realistic timeframe on these changes from keystone because I don't think they just effect Horizon | 16:21 |
| jpich | I see. Thanks david-lyle! I just noted the "tokens short-lived to 10 minutes" point in that thread | 16:21 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, thank you for the short explanation. Issue with storage backend has more in it that i thought :) | 16:22 |
| tsufiev | s/that/than/ | 16:22 |
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| david-lyle | potentially a fair amount of work showing up at our door | 16:23 |
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| jpich | yay | 16:25 |
| david-lyle | opportunities | 16:25 |
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| david-lyle | Anything else? Or dare we end early? | 16:27 |
| tzumainn | here's an updated gerrit review dashboard if people want to see the stuff added to j-2 over the last week: http://goo.gl/8x5gZa | 16:27 |
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| david-lyle | thanks tzumainn, I think it's getting smaller :) | 16:29 |
| tzumainn | np! | 16:29 |
| tzumainn | it does look smaller than I had feared | 16:30 |
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| david-lyle | alright, quiet day, everyone's busy reviewing :) Let's end early. Have a great week everyone! | 16:31 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 16:31:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-08-16.01.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-08-16.01.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-07-08-16.01.log.html | 16:31 |
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| jpich | Thanks! | 16:31 |
| tzumainn | thanks all! | 16:31 |
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| lblanchard | thanks everyone! | 16:32 |
| jomara | later guys ! | 16:33 |
| t_mazur | Thanks all! | 16:33 |
| tsufiev | bye ) | 16:33 |
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| jcoufal | cheers o/ | 16:34 |
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| pballand | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 17:00:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pballand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CongressTeamMeeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:00 |
| sarob | Morning | 17:00 |
| pballand | hello, anyone around today? | 17:01 |
| banix | hi | 17:01 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 17:01 |
| arosen | Hi | 17:01 |
| rajdeep | hi | 17:01 |
| pballand | I have a couple of general items on the agenda this morning, then time for status updates and open discussion | 17:02 |
| rajdeep | ok | 17:02 |
| pballand | the bulk of changes needed for end-to-end execution of policy through the proposed API model are in | 17:03 |
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| pballand | now we are moving on to filling in the gaps to make the system easier to use, as well as get ready for incubation | 17:04 |
| pballand | one place we are planning to tighten up around is code reviews | 17:04 |
| pballand | we are going to require 2 +2s from core reviewers before submission | 17:04 |
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| pballand | and also be more strict about bug and spec linkages | 17:05 |
| pballand | thanks to all who have been calling this out in the reviews | 17:05 |
| pballand | please continue to do so - it will really help as the project starts to scale | 17:06 |
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| pballand | another thing we need to get more formal about is having an actual PTL | 17:06 |
| pballand | so far, thinrichs and I have been sharing the responsibility | 17:06 |
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| pballand | ultimately we need to have an election before inclubation, but we may want to do that on the formal cycle - thoughts? | 17:07 |
| sarob | Will you need to increase the number of core reviewers | 17:07 |
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| sarob | As the review activity is going up | 17:07 |
| pballand | option 1: have election soon, and ever 6 months thereafter, option2: nominate interim PTL and hold elections at next cycle | 17:08 |
| pballand | sarob: good point - that is another thing we should discuss | 17:08 |
| sarob | Good idea to keep quality up | 17:09 |
| banix | sarob: +1 | 17:09 |
| thinrichs | I’d be happy if pballand was interim PTL. | 17:09 |
| banix | wrt PTL either options sound good | 17:09 |
| rajdeep | +1 for pballand as PTL | 17:10 |
| pballand | thanks thinrichs - I’d be happy to hold the capacity for now | 17:10 |
| sarob | Pballand as intern is a good plan | 17:10 |
| arosen | I'm +1 as well | 17:10 |
| banix | pballand: are you running for PTL? :) | 17:10 |
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| banix | pballand: +1 | 17:10 |
| pballand | sounds like we have quorum - any opposed? | 17:10 |
| pballand | great, thanks guys | 17:11 |
| pballand | we’ll bring this back up in a couple months during the ‘normal’ election cycle | 17:11 |
| pballand | #action pballand will try to step up his game as interim PTL | 17:11 |
| thinrichs | :) | 17:12 |
| sarob | Roger that game stepper | 17:12 |
| pballand | as sarob mentioned, we could benefit from having more core reviewers as well | 17:12 |
| pballand | I propose we get suggestions over the ML, and discuss there | 17:13 |
| sarob | Sounds good | 17:13 |
| pballand | s/suggestions/nominations/ | 17:13 |
| rajdeep | how do you define a ML? | 17:14 |
| pballand | rajdeep: Mailing LIst - use [Congress] in the subject | 17:14 |
| pballand | (openstack-dev) | 17:14 |
| banix | openstack-dev with [congress] | 17:14 |
| banix | [Congress] that is | 17:14 |
| pballand | another housekeeping item - the J-02 milestone closes July 24 | 17:14 |
| rajdeep | ah | 17:15 |
| pballand | we haven’t been tracking milestones thus-far, but that is one thing I am gong to push for going forward | 17:15 |
| pballand | does tthat sound reasonable? | 17:15 |
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| sarob | +1 | 17:15 |
| thinrichs | +1 | 17:15 |
| pballand | great | 17:15 |
| banix | with the launchpad project account in place, sounds good | 17:15 |
| skn_ | Are we voting for something? Sorry, joined late | 17:16 |
| pballand | hi skn_ : glad you could make it | 17:16 |
| rajdeep | or we should have sprints | 17:16 |
| sarob | And al the work goes to | 17:16 |
| sarob | Skn_ | 17:17 |
| skn_ | Hi Peter | 17:17 |
| banix | skn_: yup, you missed it. you have to buy lunch for everybody | 17:17 |
| sarob | Kidding ! | 17:17 |
| pballand | you missed your chance to disagree bout me as interim PTL ;) | 17:17 |
| skn_ | banix: hehe, I’d be glad to when we meet next time :) | 17:17 |
| pballand | I don’t expect to do full status updates every meeting, but I think it will be good until we get in the spec/bug/code-review rhythm | 17:17 |
| pballand | my front-burner item is getting gate tests re-enabled | 17:17 |
| pballand | (https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1339193) | 17:18 |
| banix | pballand: and having an agenda on the meeting page will be also helpful | 17:18 |
| arosen | pballand: i agree. I have a few points to bring up there if we want to talk about them now. | 17:18 |
| pballand | banix: yes - I’ll include that in _stepping-up-my-game_ | 17:18 |
| banix | pballand: :) | 17:18 |
| arosen | pballand: ah your launchpad bug sums up the issue i was going to talk about :) | 17:19 |
| pballand | I’m also working on API validation - spec has been submitted | 17:19 |
| pballand | arosen: you have been busy - mind giving an update? | 17:19 |
| arosen | Sure | 17:19 |
| arosen | so I guess lets start with the tests since you just linked that bug | 17:19 |
| arosen | I want to start sorting out is getting the unit tests to run in the gate. Right now they are not running because how the tox.ini isn't telling them to run. | 17:19 |
| arosen | I've been able to get the tests to run with help of thinrichs though. It requires running: | 17:20 |
| arosen | java -jar /tmp/congress/thirdparty/antlr-3.5-complete.jar /tmp/congress/congress/policy/Congress.g | 17:20 |
| arosen | which generates two Files: | 17:20 |
| arosen | congress/policy/CongressLexer.py | 17:20 |
| arosen | congress/policy/CongressParser.py | 17:20 |
| pballand | yes - I have the code almost ready for that | 17:20 |
| arosen | I'm not sure if we're going to be able to generate these files on the fly like this in the gate (one of the other openstack projects do this i believe) but I'm going to start looking into this. In the meantime it might be easiest to check these two python files into the repo and add some pep8 excude for their directory as they aren't outputted in a pep8 compliant way. Thoughts? | 17:20 |
| arosen | pballand: how are you solving this issue? | 17:20 |
| banix | arosen: sounds reasonable | 17:21 |
| pballand | arosen: I added a setup.py hook in policy/, and added the files to MANIFEST.in | 17:21 |
| pballand | they now exist in my .tox dir, but still have a couple import issues to fix (which may be addressed by one of your patches that include congress.*) | 17:21 |
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| arosen | Does it generate the .py files on the fly or do we check the content of those in the MANIFEST.in file? | 17:21 |
| pballand | on the fly (as part of setup.py) | 17:22 |
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| pballand | will still need to exclude the files from pep8, but won’t need to check in static versions | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | One thing to think about is that those files change *very* infrequently, and generating them requires having Java installed. | 17:22 |
| arosen | I wonder if we can get java added to the gate test runners for this. I'm not sure if it has that today? | 17:22 |
| thinrichs | It might be nice if the run-of-the-mill user doesn’t need to have Java installed if they’re just going to run congress. | 17:22 |
| banix | any reason for wanting them generated dynamically? | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | So checking them into the repo might be good. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | Thoughts? | 17:23 |
| arosen | banix: this way we don't need to worry about the code getting out of sync. A bug could slip in unless we run make and check in the changed files. | 17:23 |
| pballand | confusion if someone forgets to check in updated files? | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | banix: those files are the lexer/parser generated from a BNF. | 17:23 |
| thinrichs | pballand: agreed, but it happens once a year. | 17:23 |
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| pballand | I’m okay with checking them in (even after figuring out how to generate them) | 17:24 |
| banix | i see. | 17:24 |
| arosen | pballand: well it sounds like you got this converted so I think we can recircle here when you post your patch. | 17:24 |
| arosen | In other news on my end: | 17:24 |
| thinrichs | pballand: I think the only real benefit is if people will be unhappy having java installed | 17:24 |
| pballand | thinrichs: | 17:25 |
| arosen | I've been digging into the congress source tree. I got a few patches up that integrate oslo.config and olso-incubator, these patches are still WIPish but feel free to take a look. I wanted to get this work out of the way for the keystone integration. | 17:25 |
| pballand | agreed - lets debate on code review | 17:25 |
| arosen | +1 | 17:25 |
| arosen | I also have made some good progress on the python-congressclient which can now look up a congress endpoint from keystone and then issue requests into congress. I started the launchpad page http://launchpad.net/python-congressclient for tracking of issues there (which is what the other openstack projects do with their clients). | 17:25 |
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| sarob | +1 | 17:25 |
| pballand | arosen: awesome! | 17:25 |
| rajdeep | this is great! | 17:26 |
| pballand | cloudtoad: you around? | 17:26 |
| arosen | I've also made a few big changes that change import paths so it might be useful to merge these first or rebase on ton of mine just to avoid conflicts but not a big deal eitherway. | 17:26 |
| arosen | s/ton/top | 17:27 |
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| rajdeep | arosen: will congress have dependency on keystone? | 17:27 |
| pballand | thanks for fixing up the imports - I’ve been doing it wrong all this time :) | 17:27 |
| arosen | rajdeep: it will have a dependency on the python-keystoneclient as the other projects do for the middleware. | 17:27 |
| arosen | rajdeep: though we'll make sure you can use congress without keystone if one chooses to. | 17:28 |
| banix | arosen: at what stage is openstackclient work? do you know? | 17:28 |
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| arosen | banix: I've been playing around with the python-openstackclient a good bit, devstack actually uses this client directly when setting up openstack now. | 17:29 |
| arosen | banix: here's my patch that leverages the python-openstackclient: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104375/ | 17:29 |
| banix | arosen: great. will review. | 17:30 |
| arosen | So basically the way we integrate with the openstackclient is in setup.cfg we set an entry point of: openstack.cli.extension and the openstackclient will pick up our bindings. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104375/1/setup.cfg | 17:30 |
| arosen | this way we don't have to implement shell.py which handles the env vars the openstack uses | 17:31 |
| arosen | OS_USERNAME etc | 17:31 |
| banix | makes sense | 17:31 |
| arosen | saves us a lot of code duplication :) | 17:31 |
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| skn_ | arosen: how far have you progressed on this? | 17:32 |
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| arosen | skn_: I got the the congressclient integrated with keystone so we can look up the congress endpoint then issue a post datasource command to congress | 17:32 |
| banix | Are there plans (or should we plan?) to integrate with Horizon on top of the cli? | 17:33 |
| skn_ | arosen: thats great | 17:33 |
| arosen | but right now congress isn't able to handle the request because the extra headers we pass in for the keystone integration. So I'm working on getting the keystone integration working in congress before i continue on it. | 17:33 |
| arosen | banix: yea i think we should eventually do that. The python-congressclient will provide bindings that horizon can use. | 17:34 |
| rajdeep | arosen other clients create models for the resources on the client side | 17:34 |
| rajdeep | are we also planning to create those | 17:34 |
| arosen | rajdeep: yup, we'll be consistent with exactly how the other clients work. | 17:34 |
| banix | arosen: i uspect a lot of potential users will strongly prefer having the dashboard support | 17:35 |
| pballand | banix: horizon integration makes sense, if someone want’s to propose a spec on a first-cut | 17:35 |
| arosen | banix: in my opinion i think we should wait on the horizon part unless someone wants to bite this off. We won't be able to merge or horizon changes in to their project yet untill we're incubated. | 17:35 |
| thinrichs | arosen: makes sense to me to wait | 17:36 |
| arosen | banix: my thought is the version of congress is just tragged to admins right? So it might be okay just to only support cli for now? | 17:36 |
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| pballand | agreed with arosen (I think) - if someone is particularly interested in UI, they should do it, but it isnt’ a core priority right now | 17:36 |
| arosen | sounds good. That's all i have for now. | 17:36 |
| banix | arosen: agree; for now (and for later) the cli is what is needed | 17:36 |
| sarob | Agree to wait on UI | 17:36 |
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| pballand | thanks arosen | 17:37 |
| pballand | sarob - any progress on the jm2 mini-summit? | 17:37 |
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| sarob | Thinking August in sj | 17:37 |
| pballand | sounds better than August in phx | 17:38 |
| pballand | ;) | 17:38 |
| sarob | Taskflow yes | 17:38 |
| banix | sarob: August is the month you have your vacations in not meetings :) | 17:38 |
| banix | Late july or September would be better in my opinion | 17:39 |
| sarob | Then Hawaii location | 17:39 |
| sarob | Plan on inviting | 17:39 |
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| sarob | Heat | 17:40 |
| sarob | Neutron | 17:40 |
| sarob | Keystone | 17:40 |
| sarob | Nova | 17:40 |
| sarob | Taskflow | 17:40 |
| thinrichs | I just saw Swift has a policy engine | 17:40 |
| sarob | True | 17:41 |
| skn_ | Yup | 17:41 |
| banix | well, I think you could potantially invite all ; storage people missing from the above? | 17:41 |
| sarob | Sure we can invite everyone | 17:41 |
| sarob | I was just starting small | 17:41 |
| sarob | Thoughts | 17:41 |
| skn_ | sarob: are you planning for a 2-day agenda? | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | I suppose it depends on the goal. | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | Are we hoping to have everyone working on policy engines attend so we can figure out how they all interoperate? | 17:42 |
| sarob | Yes | 17:42 |
| thinrichs | Or are we focused on non-policy integrations? | 17:42 |
| skn_ | thinrichs: thats definitely a goal | 17:42 |
| skn_ | but it would be both | 17:43 |
| sarob | I was thinking we want to start with policy | 17:43 |
| skn_ | data sources, enforcement, etc | 17:43 |
| sarob | Project they're working on policy that is | 17:43 |
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| thinrichs | I think that understanding how these different policy engines will interoperate is crucial. | 17:43 |
| rajdeep | Have you guys seen this Horizon has few policy files embedded https://github.com/openstack/horizon/tree/master/openstack_dashboard/conf | 17:44 |
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| sarob | Start more discussion on mailing list | 17:45 |
| banix | rajdeep: well these are different; Neutron has these as you can see from the Horizon side | 17:45 |
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| pballand | I suspect that even the projects that aren’t openly talking about policy are considering it, but it may be better to stick with those that are far along to start | 17:45 |
| sarob | We need to work out the gender date time more than I thought we did | 17:45 |
| banix | rajdeep: policies on who can do what | 17:45 |
| thinrichs | sarob: sounds good. Maybe float the idea of a policy-summit and see what people say. | 17:46 |
| sarob | Agenda | 17:46 |
| sarob | Excellent idea | 17:46 |
| skn_ | +2 excellent idea | 17:47 |
| thinrichs | For an agenda, I’d imagine spending 1 day having different projects talk about their policy and 1 day workshopping/whiteboarding/talking/etc. about integrating them. | 17:47 |
| arosen | rajdeep: I think horizon has those only to changes what it's UI looks like but those policy files really live in each project i believe. | 17:47 |
| sarob | Thinrichs goodness | 17:48 |
| thinrichs | sarob: want to send out the email? | 17:48 |
| sarob | Yup | 17:48 |
| rajdeep | arosen : but its little confusing to have them there | 17:48 |
| rajdeep | from a design perspective | 17:48 |
| sarob | I'll do it today | 17:48 |
| arosen | rajdeep: totally agree. | 17:48 |
| arosen | rajdeep: I don't think there is an API that any project exposes to get that info so they just copy the file around :) | 17:49 |
| pballand | ok, only 10 minutes left | 17:49 |
| pballand | anyone else have updates theyd like to share with the group? | 17:49 |
| banix | rajdeep: i think they use these policies in Horizon to see which buttons to gray out, etc. just guessing here. | 17:49 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102935/ | 17:50 |
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| sarob | Needs policy spec feedback | 17:50 |
| skn_ | I am starting to look into trying out an IDS (BRO, for now) with OpenStack, with the intention of demo’ing a IDS use case with Congress | 17:50 |
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| thinrichs | skn_: sarob and I were working on the compromised-vm spec, which is IDS. Could you take a look? | 17:51 |
| sarob | That's it | 17:51 |
| skn_ | Sure, I’ll take a look at that | 17:51 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102935/ | 17:52 |
| thinrichs | skn_: what are you hoping to do in terms of enforcement? I.e. what happens when IDS finds something suspicious? | 17:52 |
| sarob | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105371/ | 17:52 |
| skn_ | I don’t currently see Neutron supporting IDS monitoring-like support natively, or am I missing something? | 17:53 |
| sarob | More details from the spec authors | 17:53 |
| banix | skn_: no it won’t | 17:53 |
| sarob | On this other policy spec | 17:53 |
| skn_ | enforcement: (1) isolate a compromised VM | 17:53 |
| skn_ | I am planning to work on this network monitoing support for neutron tenant nets | 17:54 |
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| thinrichs | skn_: how do you isolate a VM? What Neutron/Nova API calls would you make? | 17:55 |
| skn_ | thinrichs: to start with, we just add a rule to drop all in/out traffic from/to the VM’s IP | 17:55 |
| rajdeep | you can detach a port from the VM | 17:55 |
| rajdeep | to isolate it | 17:55 |
| arosen | rajdeep: or set the port to admin-state-down in neutron. | 17:56 |
| rajdeep | yeah thats another option | 17:56 |
| skn_ | I was thinking we could add a rule to the portgroup to start | 17:56 |
| arosen | detaching the port might have some guest requirements. | 17:56 |
| sarob | Id like to add as next step to remove from nova scheduler as well | 17:56 |
| banix | yes that setting the state would be the way to do it | 17:56 |
| rajdeep | or modify router/ switch entries | 17:56 |
| skn_ | there are plenty of options | 17:56 |
| skn_ | like you guys suggest | 17:56 |
| pballand | sarob: +1 for nova scheduler hint | 17:56 |
| sarob | All this can go into the spec | 17:56 |
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| sarob | Good stuff. Make reviews | 17:57 |
| thinrichs | sarob: agreed—let’s put some options into the spec. | 17:57 |
| sarob | Do good things | 17:57 |
| skn_ | sarob: I agree with the nova sched hint | 17:57 |
| sarob | Coolness | 17:57 |
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| thinrichs | I like the idea of this use case driving how we add actions to the policy framework for the beta. | 17:58 |
| sarob | The increAse in reviews is very good | 17:58 |
| arosen | Sorry guys I got to bounce to a meeting but I'll read the rest of the logs. Later! | 17:58 |
| skn_ | banix: if we add some native monitoring support, how do you think is the right way to put that into Neutron? | 17:59 |
| sarob | Thinrichs +1 | 17:59 |
| sarob | Arosen cheers | 17:59 |
| pballand | by aronsen | 17:59 |
| banix | skn_: monitoring the traffic for signs og intrusion? | 17:59 |
| pballand | bye | 17:59 |
| sarob | By and by | 17:59 |
| pballand | heh | 17:59 |
| skn_ | just plain monitoring, for IDS deployment | 17:59 |
| skn_ | later on, the IDS will determine the intrusion | 17:59 |
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| thinrichs | Bye | 18:00 |
| rajdeep | bye | 18:00 |
| skn_ | lets discuss this in email, or next meeting | 18:00 |
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| sarob | Good meet | 18:00 |
| banix | skn_: monitoring the traffic? not Neutron events. right? | 18:00 |
| pballand | sorry to cut everyone off, but we’re out of time | 18:00 |
| skn_ | yes | 18:00 |
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| banix | see you all on the review board :) | 18:00 |
| pballand | thanks for the great discussion | 18:00 |
| pballand | lets keep the momentum going on specs and reviews :) | 18:00 |
| sarob | Roger that | 18:01 |
| pballand | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 18:01:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-07-08-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-07-08-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-07-08-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
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| briancurtin | #startmeeting python-openstacksdk | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 8 19:01:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is briancurtin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'python_openstacksdk' | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | If you're here for the python-openstacksdk meeting, speak now of forever hold your peace | 19:01 |
| terrylhowe | Terry Howe, HP | 19:02 |
| briancurtin | Brian Curtin, Rackspace | 19:02 |
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| dtroyer | Dean Troyer, Nebula | 19:03 |
| edleafe | Ed Leafe, Rackspace | 19:04 |
| briancurtin | i'm out in the hallway at SciPy so i only had a couple of minutes to get ready here, but here's a small agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/PythonOpenStackSDK#Agenda_for_2014-07-08_1900_UTC | 19:05 |
| briancurtin | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104948/ -- Add some factories | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104948/ -- Add some factories (Meeting topic: python-openstacksdk)" | 19:05 | |
| briancurtin | this looked fairly straightforward to me and terry made the one adjustment i asked for, so I +2'ed it | 19:06 |
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| terrylhowe | I was inspired to do this after doing the OSC integration demo | 19:06 |
| briancurtin | getting logic out of examples and into the lib == good | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | there is no way to pass in a transport in Session.create()? | 19:08 |
| terrylhowe | people don’t need to use Session.create() if they don’t want to | 19:09 |
| terrylhowe | oh, but you are probably thinking of the case of having one transport for connections to different clouds | 19:09 |
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| terrylhowe | I’d have to think about this, but I created these methods as a simple way to make these things, not as the only way | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | also you seem to be using different keyword args in create() and __init__() for the smae thing, ie verify vs insecure | 19:10 |
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| terrylhowe | well verify could be insecure or cacerts | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | also I think adding all of the auth stuff to session pollutes it, if you want a shortcut or auth maybe it should be stand-alone or in an auth module? | 19:12 |
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| terrylhowe | the auth stuff is in the auth module | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | which was not previously imported into session | 19:14 |
| terrylhowe | in the osc world, there would be a client class that do something like that, would you sooner have another class called client or connection? | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | I always assumed that was the direction we were heading here based on the early design discussions, something above session for the 'high-level' api. | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | it seems like we're not following those early decisions so much anymore | 19:15 |
| briancurtin | should we take a step back and take a stab at that higher level now that we have a couple of potential resources to build on? | 19:15 |
| terrylhowe | problem is, that client class, I don’t know what it would have | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | I think that is a good idea, Brian. we'll know much more about decisions here if we know where its all going. | 19:16 |
| terrylhowe | there were some design ideas out there that I’m not sure how people planned to implement them | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | My experience with OSC was that it took 3 tries at the cliff-based command stack to get something that was clean, or as clean as you can get with the existing libs | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | I think making some actual example strawman that can be run would be helpful | 19:17 |
| briancurtin | #topic moving towards the higher level | 19:18 |
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| briancurtin | before we get on with that higher level, are we confident that we're heading in the right direction with these glance, neutron, and swift resources? | 19:19 |
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| terrylhowe | neutron seems like it will map pretty easily | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | I really haven't looked at them, my interest was in the lower-level lib/API which it appears is not part of the picture. | 19:20 |
| terrylhowe | I’m more concerned with the others that use headers | 19:20 |
| briancurtin | one think i realized i need to work around in the swift one is that when i added the repr for that Account class, that breaks on teh GET but works on the HEAD, so i need to make it smarter working with both | 19:21 |
| terrylhowe | lower level api? | 19:21 |
| briancurtin | which i thought i had figured out, but i think i lost it | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: like the object/lib/* stuff in OSC. where the actual API URLs, etc are encoded. | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | that is in the resource class | 19:22 |
| briancurtin | and terrylhowe - just saw your comments on the swift Account one - i lost name/count/bytes in my git disaster | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | right. I consider that a higher-level API as that is what app devs probably want to work with. I'd prefer to not carry the extra weight | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | you want dictionaries? | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | I don't want the verbs in the resources. nor in managers. I don't have a problem with the other resource stuff when it is warranted | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | I also know I wasn't too active in that discussion back when, but I did think there was still going to me more under the hood | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | now is not the time to re-open that | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | It doesn’t seem overly complex to me the resource class | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | it's the semantics of it, as well as the weight they'll gain over time | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | if you don’t want resources, you just want a request level, you could use the @classmethods in resource | 19:27 |
| terrylhowe | they just return dictionaries as I recall | 19:28 |
| briancurtin | yeah they typically return like response bodies | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | https://github.com/stackforge/python-openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/resource.py#L235 | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | that isn't necessarily always a bad thing | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | but again, this is not an attempt to change the design, just express the percieved loss of something I thought we'd have | 19:29 |
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| terrylhowe | I think the functionality is there for that | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | ok, good. I haven't looked to closely yet, it's still not risen to the top of the queue | 19:30 |
| briancurtin | and if there isn't what you're looking for, we should consider now how we can get it done before we get more locked i | 19:31 |
| briancurtin | in | 19:31 |
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| dtroyer | I'll put together a strawman like I should have done in April... | 19:31 |
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| edleafe | It always helps to have a high-level view of how users will want to use the SDK | 19:33 |
| edleafe | Otherwise it's easy to get lost in the details of working with the API | 19:33 |
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| briancurtin | now that we have more fleshed out, thinking about that high level/consumer look makes a lot of sense | 19:34 |
| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105030/ | 19:35 |
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| terrylhowe | is not a bad strawman to beat on | 19:36 |
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| terrylhowe | anything else here? | 19:49 |
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| briancurtin | nothing here, just need to get the rest of that swift resource with your comments | 19:50 |
| terrylhowe | I’m not sure if I should just fill out some network stuff next or work on something with the header issue | 19:52 |
| briancurtin | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 8 19:52:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/python_openstacksdk/2014/python_openstacksdk.2014-07-08-19.01.html | 19:52 |
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