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| mfer | #startmeeting openstack-sdk-php | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 15:30:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-sdk-php)" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_sdk_php' | 15:30 |
| mfer | Welcome. Please state your name along with any applicable association. | 15:30 |
| mfer | Matt Farina, HP | 15:31 |
| samchoi | Sam Choi, HP | 15:31 |
| mfer | samchoi i'll give it 2 more minutes and then call it if no one else shows up | 15:33 |
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| samchoi | mfer: ok, maybe it would be worth discussing the status of next week's meeting as well? | 15:34 |
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| mfer | samchoi going to cancel next weeks meeting | 15:35 |
| mfer | ok, calling it. | 15:35 |
| mfer | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 15:35:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-07-09-15.30.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-07-09-15.30.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_sdk_php/2014/openstack_sdk_php.2014-07-09-15.30.log.html | 15:35 |
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| tjones | #startmeeting novabugscrub | 16:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 16:30:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: novabugscrub)" | 16:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'novabugscrub' | 16:30 |
| tjones | hi anyone around? | 16:30 |
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| thangp | o/ | 16:40 |
| tjones | hi | 16:40 |
| thangp | lonely out here | 16:40 |
| tjones | very ;-) | 16:40 |
| thangp | nobody around | 16:40 |
| tjones | im working through bugs which are old and undecided. | 16:41 |
| tjones | http://54.201.139.117/demo.html | 16:41 |
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| thangp | looking... | 16:41 |
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| tjones | using this i filter by not recently updated and in unknown state. My feeling is if it has not been touched in 2 years it can be set to incomplete and they can reopen if it is still an issue on juno | 16:42 |
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| thangp | ok | 16:42 |
| tjones | i've already triaged the new bugs - nothing exciting except a couple of gate issues which seem the same | 16:43 |
| thangp | does this include the latest ones? | 16:44 |
| thangp | the list | 16:44 |
| tjones | i ran it last night - so it's about 12 hours old | 16:44 |
| thangp | ok | 16:44 |
| thangp | the goal is to either close them out or assign them to someone? | 16:45 |
| tjones | that would be great - but there is a lot of cruft out there. in looking at old undecided bugs i am trying to decrease the # of open bugs by closing things that are old and probably not relevant. | 16:46 |
| thangp | ok | 16:47 |
| tjones | there are about 1100 total bugs | 16:47 |
| thangp | :P and it only keeps growing :) | 16:48 |
| tjones | im thinking of removing wishlist and low from the list just to be able to focus everyone on a smaller # of issues | 16:48 |
| thangp | that sounds good to me | 16:48 |
| tjones | do you think i should move this meeting to another time to get better attendance? or ?? | 16:49 |
| thangp | it works for me...but this is the first time i showed up :) | 16:50 |
| tjones | :-D | 16:50 |
| thangp | usually, i browse the nova bug list to pick off something to fix | 16:50 |
| thangp | but this list really helps | 16:50 |
| tjones | great! feel free to make suggestions on making it better/more useful | 16:51 |
| thangp | how should the list be divided up for anyone who wants to help out on this list? just pick off a category and go through the list? | 16:54 |
| tjones | yes - if you wait about 5 minutes i'll update the list. I'd concentrate on high prio bugs for now since there are so many. but feel free to look over the undecided and see if you can help prioritize any of them. | 16:56 |
| thangp | sure will do | 16:56 |
| tjones | thanks for helping! | 16:56 |
| thangp | np | 16:56 |
| tjones | have another meeting in 2 minutes so ending now. thanks again! | 16:58 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 16:58:52 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-09-16.30.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-09-16.30.txt | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/novabugscrub/2014/novabugscrub.2014-07-09-16.30.log.html | 16:58 |
| thangp | see u next week | 16:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: vinay_yadhav ivar-lazzaro anil_rao cgoncalves: hi | 17:30 |
| vinay_yadhav | hi | 17:30 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: howdy! | 17:31 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: hi | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 17:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking Advanced Services | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 17:31:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_advanced_services' | 17:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #announcements Juno specification submission deadline: July 10th, specification approval deadline: july 17th | 17:31 |
| dougwig | o/ | 17:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | dougwig: hi | 17:32 |
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| Swami | hi | 17:32 |
| vinay_yadhav | how will the decision to approve be taken | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: based on the reviews | 17:32 |
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| vinay_yadhav | ok... All the +1s on TaaS is hidden in patch set 5 :) | 17:33 |
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| marios_ | hi all | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets change the order a bit | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Chaining | 17:34 |
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| regXboi | did I miss the service chaining part? I had a question there | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: right on cue! :-) | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93524 | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: there? | 17:34 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: I just updated the commit message as requested | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks, i added a couple of comments as well | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: your question? | 17:35 |
| mandeep | Otherwise I have addressed all the questions in the spec and added an example | 17:35 |
| regXboi | I was looking for horizon and heat impacts | 17:35 |
| regXboi | didn't see them - wondering if i'm looking in the wrong place | 17:35 |
| mandeep | The current BP does not address them, I was planning to add them as dependent BPs later | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: is a new bp really required for that? | 17:36 |
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| cgoncalves | mandeep: I've not yet had the chance to read the latest spec rev. hope to read it and give some feedback by tomorrow | 17:36 |
| mandeep | I can add it to this BP, but I was not sure that we had time to get it done at that same time. | 17:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: i believe the CLI proposal will be required in this spec | 17:37 |
| regXboi | I guess I'm asking if we are scoping horizon/heat for Juno | 17:37 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Is it Ok to merge updated for part of the BP (say chaining API + CLI before HEAT + GUI)? | 17:37 |
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| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: CLI was planned. | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: but i agree heat/horizon can be separate proposals in those respective projects | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: yes, we will need CLI | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: does that answer your question? | 17:38 |
| LouisF | mandeep: still unclear why there is a port in ServiceChainInstance | 17:38 |
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| regXboi | I read it as Heat/Horizon will be K | 17:38 |
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| mandeep | LouisF: Did you get to see the usage example? | 17:38 |
| regXboi | which is (afaik) Ok, just needed clarity | 17:38 |
| mandeep | (just updated today morning) | 17:38 |
| regXboi | now - am I reading it correctly :) | 17:39 |
| mandeep | regXboi: More like it is not committed for J, but we will try ... | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: that is the most likely scenario, however we could probably have the horizon/heat ready in PoC form before K | 17:39 |
| regXboi | ok... that works | 17:39 |
| regXboi | thanks | 17:39 |
| * cgoncalves notes SumitNaiksatam is reviewing BPs while chairing this meeting. great multi-tasker! | 17:39 | |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Correct | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole prasadv: you wanted to comment on the heat/horizon part? | 17:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: :-) | 17:40 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: we haven't thought about it yet | 17:40 |
| LouisF | mandeep: you mean USAGE WORKFLOW #4? | 17:40 |
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| mandeep | LouisF: Correct | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 17:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole prasadv: you plan to take this up later though? | 17:41 |
| LouisF | mandeep: that does not explain how port is used | 17:41 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ok | 17:41 |
| mandeep | Also, see my comment on Cathy's question on patchset 7 (which that point was addressing) | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/AdvancedServices/JunoPlan#Tasks we have mandeep as owner for heat/horizon, songole you want to update that, if convenient, and provide a projected milestone? | 17:42 |
| mandeep | LouisF: The intent is not to prescribe how it is used, except that the semantics are defined as bump-in-the-wire "at that port" | 17:42 |
| mandeep | LouisF: The backend is free to do any implementation as long as it honors that semantic | 17:42 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: okay | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: what is the reference impl planned for this? | 17:43 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: do we have until juno-3 to finish heat/horizon ? | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: absolutely | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: welcome back! | 17:43 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: It is based on the current FWaaS and VPNaaS | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: okay | 17:44 |
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| mandeep | (existing services based on the router ports) | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: is there a particular order for those two? | 17:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: i mean a particular order that we would plan to support as the ref impl | 17:44 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Current plan was FW-VPN, but I need to investigate what the VPN service supports today | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: fair enough | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: is songole also working on this bp? | 17:45 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam, mandeep: what is the deadline for BP approval for Juno | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: and/or hemanthravi? | 17:46 |
| marios_ | 10th/20th | 17:46 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Yes | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: if so it would be good to have them called out in the assignees | 17:46 |
| mandeep | songole: Next week Thr | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: thanks, yes | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thought i would prefer that we use july 17th as the deadline | 17:46 |
| mandeep | Yes, we will update the assignments | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *though | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole, hemanthravi: fine with that? | 17:47 |
| songole | mandeep: thanks | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else wants to help with the service chaining work, please reach out to mandeep | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or me | 17:47 |
| LouisF | mandeep: i can help | 17:47 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: is this for a separate bp for heat/horizon? | 17:48 |
| mandeep | LouisF: OK | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: for now, this is neutron but bleeds into other things as well | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any more questions for mandeep? | 17:48 |
| mandeep | hemanthravi: We can update this BP, if that makes it easier to manage | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess cathy is not around, she had questions before | 17:49 |
| hemanthravi | mandeep: ok, that'll be better | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: any blockers at your end? | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks for the update and revised spec, i think it reads very well! | 17:50 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: No we are OK now | 17:50 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: obviously I'm interested in the service chaining work. please let me know if I can be of any assistance to you on developing any part of the system | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Traffic steering | 17:51 |
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| mandeep | cgoncalves: Will do. Thanks. | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92477 | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: thanks for the new rev | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: there are some more comments | 17:51 |
| cgoncalves | a new spec rev was submitted last friday | 17:51 |
| cgoncalves | some people have reviewing it and provided comments. I've just replied to all of them | 17:52 |
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| cgoncalves | good news here is: we got +1 from cathy :) | 17:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: :-) | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for cgoncalves, or anything we need to discuss here? | 17:53 |
| cgoncalves | so unless there are any questions I can answer to now, I'm ok and we can move on | 17:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: so no blockers (apart from reviewer attention) for you? | 17:54 |
| cgoncalves | so that we still have time to discuss the flavor bp :-P | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: thats very considerate of you :-P | 17:54 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: correct | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: thanks for all the hard work on this and the update today! | 17:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Tap as a Service spec | 17:55 |
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| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: no problem. I was out of office until today so lots to catch up yet | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: sure no | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | no problem | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96149 | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav, anil_rao: any major updates on this? | 17:55 |
| vinay_yadhav | no | 17:55 |
| vinay_yadhav | pactch set 6 is up for review | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i see that there havent been negative comments on this, so i would imagine most people are in agreement? | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: thanks for the new rev | 17:56 |
| vinay_yadhav | i guess too, since we got a lot of +1s in the last rev | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for vinay_yadhav or anil_rao? | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at your end, vinay_yadhav anil_rao you are all set? | 17:57 |
| vinay_yadhav | yes | 17:57 |
| anil_rao | yes | 17:57 |
| vinay_yadhav | we want to start on the dev work soon | 17:57 |
| cgoncalves | vinay_yadhav: I'll do my best to review it again soon, and hopefully give a +1 | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav anil_rao: good | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: thanks! | 17:57 |
| vinay_yadhav | thanks! | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: you can start the dev in parallel | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you feel comfortable | 17:57 |
| vinay_yadhav | sure... we will start out | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regarding NSAaaS | 17:57 |
| anil_rao | great | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we should probably leave that option open to the operator? | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there might be cases where the tenant might need the operator help in debugging, right? | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | operator can publish his policy | 17:58 |
| marios_ | SumitNaiksatam: you mean allow admin to monitor all ports but this is a config setting? | 17:58 |
| vinay_yadhav | well NSAaaS can be done by the operator by bypassing tap anyways | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: yeah, in policy.json | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: :-) | 17:59 |
| songole | vinay_yadhav: would tap be one of the action values in GBP? | 17:59 |
| vinay_yadhav | we in TaaS dont want to have it as a feature | 17:59 |
| cgoncalves | NSAaaS will disregard any policy operators enforce | 17:59 |
| marios_ | yah just saw your comment reply in the spec | 17:59 |
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| marios_ | SumitNaiksatam: ^^ | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: good question! | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: okay | 17:59 |
| vinay_yadhav | pardon me GBP? | 17:59 |
| vinay_yadhav | i dont understant the term :) | 17:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i have looked closely into this | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | group-based policy | 18:00 |
| vinay_yadhav | ha ok... | 18:00 |
| vinay_yadhav | i need to think on this... but what is your opinion sumit | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/GroupPolicy | 18:00 |
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| vinay_yadhav | sumit: thanks i will check it out | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: i think it will be good if you can consider songole’s question | 18:01 |
| anil_rao | Or we could just add admin capability in at a later time | 18:01 |
| vinay_yadhav | sure sumit | 18:01 |
| marios_ | anil_rao: +1 i would go with this option - if for nothing else, so we can aland the spec in time | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: we cannot two different tap implementations | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: i mean for taas and for the GBP action | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so best to reconcile | 18:02 |
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| vinay_yadhav | sumit: i can check on this | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else for vinay_yadhav or anil_rao? | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: thanks | 18:03 |
| vinay_yadhav | sumit, All: thanks | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service base definition and Insertion | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93128 | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think either kanzhe or s3wong are in today | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i will fill in | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong provided the update that he has updated the spec and addressed review comments | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he is also looking at the API and DB implelentation which Kanzhe has started | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kanzhe is on vacation | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, after that i reviewed and have put a -1 | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone else has thoughts/questions on this? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i can relay to s3wong | 18:05 |
| marios_ | i have a question about the necessity to remove attributes | 18:05 |
| marios_ | i put a comment in v15 | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: ah, yeah regarding router_id in vpnaas | 18:05 |
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| marios_ | right | 18:05 |
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| marios_ | i think from the response the intention is 'its ok because we won't change the API' | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: need to think a little more on this | 18:06 |
| marios_ | but i think it is still risky. we not only have to implement this stuff but also fix all the places in code where we do .router_id | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: at some point though we would need to deprecate that attribute | 18:06 |
| marios_ | why can't we just add the attribute and then remove in another cycle | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: so i guess we are discussng the transition | 18:06 |
| marios_ | well yes and by doing this we can also deprecate properly | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: yes | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: i guess we are saying the same thing :-) | 18:07 |
| marios_ | works for me :) | 18:07 |
| marios_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes i think so too | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: lets also look for the closest precedent in this regard and follow it | 18:07 |
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| marios_ | didn't want to push it too much on the spec as i seemed to be a lone voice | 18:07 |
| marios_ | ok sounds good | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: i believe we might find one with lbaas or service type framework | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: i agree thats a valid concern | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets check with nati_ueno as well | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: there? | 18:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios_: ok lets follow with nati_ueno and pcm | 18:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action marios_ SumitNaiksatam s3wong to follow up with nati_ueno and pcm on VPNaaS router_id attribute deprecation | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else on this? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: are you back? | 18:10 |
| enikanorov_ | yes | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: nice | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and drum roll! | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Flavors | 18:10 |
| enikanorov_ | hehe | 18:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/102723 | 18:10 |
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| enikanorov_ | ok, so i've started implementation based on most of points of this proposal | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so per enikanorov_’s confirmation, we are now looking at the above spec (not the older one) | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: great thanks | 18:11 |
| enikanorov_ | i think to make it land in juno we need to limit the scope of the first commit as much as possible | 18:11 |
| enikanorov_ | and also postponed any features that create discussion contention | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: on the process front, since you mention that you are already implementing this, but i dont see you as being one of the assignees in the above spec | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: is this something we need to follow up with markmcclain or thats just a minor detail? | 18:11 |
| enikanorov_ | markmcclain asked me if i can impl that | 18:12 |
| enikanorov_ | so i think we're good on that front | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: just want to make sure that you and markmcclain are in sync | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: okay great | 18:12 |
| enikanorov_ | so, I'm planning the first step impkementation to consist with the following items: | 18:12 |
| enikanorov_ | Flavor API: flavors, service profiles | 18:12 |
| enikanorov_ | DB plugin for that | 18:13 |
| enikanorov_ | DB migration | 18:13 |
| enikanorov_ | unit tests | 18:13 |
| enikanorov_ | that's pretty much it... | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: okay | 18:13 |
| enikanorov_ | there is also one point left on which i think we haven't reach full consensus | 18:13 |
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| enikanorov_ | is an extension list in the flavor resource | 18:13 |
| enikanorov_ | i still need to follow up on that with markmcclain | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: okay | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: is that something we need to follow up on the -dev mailer? | 18:14 |
| enikanorov_ | can't think of anything at this point | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: regarding the extensions list | 18:15 |
| enikanorov_ | do you have the question? | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: if possible, can you summarize here for the benefit for everyone, what are the pros and cons of having exposing the extensions list? | 18:15 |
| enikanorov_ | ok, so the intent of having extension list on the flavor is to be able to turn on or of certain features for the flavor | 18:16 |
| enikanorov_ | say, you, as admin, want certain flavor with advanced features turned off | 18:16 |
| enikanorov_ | and it will be cheaper | 18:16 |
| enikanorov_ | but technically, it's usually not possible to turn API parts with flavors | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: turn off? | 18:17 |
| enikanorov_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes, like you try to access SSL and it's disabled because the resource is created with the flavor that doesn't support it | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: this is true in general for the Neutron API/extensions’ framework, i believe, not limited to the flavors resource, right? | 18:18 |
| enikanorov_ | the problem is that such API parts like SSL might not be connected to flavors in anyway | 18:18 |
| enikanorov_ | so you can't really disable/turn off anything with extension list on the flavor just because flavor is not used when accessing this API | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: did markmcclain indicate if he has a workaround for this? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: i believe that would have to be in the extensions’ framework? | 18:19 |
| enikanorov_ | that's yet to be discussed | 18:19 |
| enikanorov_ | and yes, also this feature requires some stuff to be done for extension framework | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: ok perhaps, assessing what it takes to implement this would make it clear whether its achievable or not, right? | 18:19 |
| enikanorov_ | but still i think it will not solve the issue from user perspective | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | achievable in the short Juno time frame that is | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: ah ok | 18:20 |
| enikanorov_ | afaik there are no extensions for fwaas and vpnaas | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: there was also a comment from salvatore on the service_type | 18:20 |
| enikanorov_ | so the only consumer is going to be lbaas so far | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: but we will have in the future, at least for fwaas, in fact they are in review now | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: i am not trying to justify the need | 18:21 |
| enikanorov_ | good to know | 18:21 |
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| enikanorov_ | anyway, extension list in fact is a subset of tag functionality | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: ah okay | 18:21 |
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| enikanorov_ | although i think that doing any kind of dispatching based on ext list/tags is an overkill | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: so the service type has to be pre-defined/enumerated? | 18:22 |
| enikanorov_ | what do you mean? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: or we can drop it from the flavor definition? | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: it is currently enumerated right - LB, FW, VPN | 18:22 |
| enikanorov_ | i'm not sure... let me recollect my concerns about it... | 18:22 |
| enikanorov_ | ah | 18:22 |
| enikanorov_ | yeah, so i think it's doable | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: okay | 18:23 |
| enikanorov_ | it puts some requirements for the drivers then, but requirements are not complex | 18:23 |
| enikanorov_ | i'll followup with Slavatore | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: ok, i think that makes it more flexible | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | any other questions for enikanorov_ ? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or markmcclain? | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: thanks for the udpate and your work on this! | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:26 |
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| LouisF | does servicebase have any dependency on the serviceVM work? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | LouisF: not that i am aware of | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i again want to draw your attention to this: | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at this point, from the PTL perspective, he has only included the flavor’s blueprint as a high prirority | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and has assigned cores to review it | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | more specifically see: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronJunoProjectPlan#Juno-2_BP_Assignments | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this does not preclude our other blueprints | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, want to make sure that the expectations are conveyed from the PTL and the neutron core team perspective | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as a team we will continue to try and work towards the best possible outcome for the blueprints we have been discussing | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions on this? | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | alright, thanks everyone for the work on the specs and your reviews | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is the crunch as far as the specs are concerned | 18:30 |
| cgoncalves | good progress, team! | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to keep a watch on the reviews and +1 | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need quick turn around in this week to meet the deadline | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all, and for once we are finishing on time! :-) | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 18:30:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-09-17.31.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-09-17.31.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-09-17.31.log.html | 18:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: garyduan yisun Swami badveli: there? | 18:31 |
| badveli | yes | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we wil start in a min | 18:31 |
| SridarK | Hi | 18:31 |
| garyduan | Hi | 18:31 |
| Swami | hi | 18:32 |
| yisun | ya | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok lets get started | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 9 18:34:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Action Item follow up | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Item follow up (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:34 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think most of the AIs have been addressed | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks to SridarK and yisun | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we had one to set up a meeting with the DVR folks | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and Swami is here | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets jump into that | 18:35 |
| Swami | yes | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic DVR discussion | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DVR discussion (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:35 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | firstly Swami welcome back, and thanks for joining! ;-) | 18:36 |
| Swami | sorry I was on vacation and could not join the meetings | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: you deserve it | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: i mean the vacation | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: as you can tell, we have been having quite a bit of discussion in the fwaas team on how to address the DVR integration | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yisun: has been leading the charge on that front | 18:37 |
| Swami | Yes, can you update me on this, is there a proposal | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and most of the fwaas team members met in person as well yesterday | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: yes | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yisun: do you want to summarize | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: we have some questions for you as well | 18:37 |
| Swami | sure, if I know the answer I can provide you the answer right away. | 18:38 |
| beyounn | Sumit, I'm in another meeting, could you help? | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: sure | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: we first need to fully understand the manifestation of the “service” node | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: what is it, how will be deployed? | 18:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: there? | 18:40 |
| Swami | Service node is something similar to the network node that we have today and only services that will be running in that node is the "default snat", "dhcp" and probably VPNaaS | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: so will it be part of a DVR (as in an implementation detail) or will it be a separate resource? | 18:41 |
| Swami | The way it is depolyed, is that, we have the same L3 agent working in service mode, but in the configuration file, you have to enable a flag for service node. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: pardon my ignorance on this | 18:41 |
| SridarK | Swami: will all North - South traffic go thru this Service Node | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ah got it | 18:41 |
| Swami | Not all North South traffic will go through the Service Node. The VM's that have floating IP, will forward traffic directly from the Compute Node. | 18:42 |
| garyduan | Sridark: I guess your quesion is regarding DNAT/Floating IP | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ah | 18:42 |
| Swami | For other VMs that does not have floating IP, and has the default SNAT will forward traffic to the External network ( N-S) through the Service Node. | 18:43 |
| SridarK | Swami: thanks ok this was the issue that garyduan u brought up | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: in that case how will VPNaaS does not need to see any floating IP traffic? | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rephrase - VPNaaS does not need to see any floating IP traffic? | 18:44 |
| Swami | it depends on your implementation. | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: what about the reference implementation? | 18:44 |
| Swami | If the VPNaaS is running in a VM and if you have Floating IP associated to the VM, then your VPN traffic will not flow through the Service node. | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: there? | 18:45 |
| Swami | But if you take our reference implementation for VPN, then this service will be running in the service node. | 18:45 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 18:45 |
| beyounn | Swami: the case we are talking about is an VM that has FIP but the NATed traffic needs to go throughout VPNaaS | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: so is it okay for VPNaaS to not see the floating ip traffic? | 18:46 |
| beyounn | Swami, if that case, we still need to steering the FIP traffic to VPNaaS, do we? | 18:46 |
| beyounn | s/if/in/ | 18:46 |
| nati_ueno | I don't think vpn is seeing floating ip traffic | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, dont mean to distract from teh fwaas dsicussion, we are just trying to understand how it works for vpnaas | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: ok, so not a concern for you? | 18:47 |
| Swami | Yes VPN does not need to see the FIP traffic. FIP is basically to get to the VM. | 18:47 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: gotcha. yeah, I think VPN is for private ip | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: ok | 18:47 |
| nati_ueno | I believe service node has one external ip. This will be vpn endpoint. | 18:48 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: right? | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: ok | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so Swami what we were thinking is that, as a first iteration, we would support FWaaS only as a perimiter firewall to deal with the N-S traffic | 18:48 |
| Swami | Yes, service node will the gateway to external network and that would be vpn endpoint. | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: howeve for the above to work we would need to see all N-S traffic | 18:49 |
| Swami | sumit: When you say North-South traffic it includes all FIP and other default Gateway traffic. | 18:50 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: on service node, we can only deal with S - N traffic | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn SridarK garyduan: correct? | 18:50 |
| beyounn | Sumit:+1 | 18:50 |
| SridarK | Swami: Hmm! so both sides of the traffic will go thru the Service Node if that is the tunnel termination point for VPN ? | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: yes | 18:50 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 18:50 |
| garyduan | I guess for VPN referense design, traffic has to go through service node | 18:50 |
| Swami | garyduan: Yes I agree. | 18:51 |
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| garyduan | For FW, FIP traffic doesn't have to | 18:51 |
| SridarK | Swami: even in the DNAT scenario ? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yes, i think we can keep VPN aside for now, since it seems that for the reference implementation there is no issue, VPNaaS is dealing with onyl private IPs | 18:51 |
| garyduan | not 'for FW', just in general | 18:51 |
| yyywu | Hi, one question, all NAT operation will be done on Service Node? | 18:51 |
| garyduan | yyywu: no, DNAT is on compute node | 18:52 |
| garyduan | yyywu: I mean FIP | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok let me take step back | 18:52 |
| Swami | All NAT operation for VM's that have default gateway will be done in Service Node. | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: in your mind, what solution had you thought of for integrating DVR with FWaaS? | 18:53 |
| Swami | Sumit: This was based on previous discussion that myself and vivek had with yi. | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok, and “this” being? | 18:54 |
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| Swami | For the east-west we only route traffic on one compute node and so on the other side the traffic is not routed. | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: true, so we have a problem with FWaaS working as is for the E-W traffic | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: but we were trying to see if we can could just limit to FWaaS to the N-S traffic in the first iteration of DVR support | 18:55 |
| Swami | So I think the original proposal that we did was instead of applying the firewall rules in the router interfaces we can apply the rules on a bridge interface above the routers in each compute node, so that both sides of the traffic will hit the firewall rules. | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: however, that seems to be a problem too now, since not all N-S traffic hits the service node | 18:55 |
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| Swami | But when we initially had the discussion we did not see any issues with North-South. That is my understanding. Correct me if I am wrong. | 18:56 |
| beyounn | Swami: until we realized the FIP will not go to service node | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: but then the service node does not see all the N-S traffic per your earlier explanation | 18:56 |
| Swami | For the North-South scenario including the Service node and the compute node, the existing reference implementation for FWaaS where the rules are applied to the router interface will work, provided the FWaaS rules are applied on all compute nodes where the routers are hosted. | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ah ok | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: but how will we know which rules to apply on the compute nodes? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: or are suggesting that we just apply the same rules everywhere? | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *are you | 18:59 |
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| Swami | Probably applying the same rules everywhere will be the easy option, but it might have some performance implications. | 19:00 |
| SridarK | Swami: but if response traffic does not hit the same point (service node) that will be a problem (in terms of connection tracking ) | 19:00 |
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| SridarK | Swami: and this will the case if u have NAT happening on the compute node correct ? | 19:00 |
| Swami | SridarK: For the North-South this will work, it will hit the same point. | 19:00 |
| SridarK | Swami: even with the NAT scenario ? | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i believe for the FIP case, both directions will hit the same compute node, Swami right? | 19:01 |
| Swami | SridarK: Let me explain. | 19:01 |
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| Swami | I think we need a picture to explain. | 19:02 |
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| SridarK | Swami: :-) | 19:02 |
| SridarK | i think i see what SumitNaiksatam is saying in that case yes | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: good point | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: how about a f2f meeting? | 19:03 |
| yyywu | could we draw a diagram on good doc? | 19:03 |
| SridarK | asciiflow for IRC product idea :-) | 19:03 |
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| Swami | The traffic will hit the router in both these cases, that is my understanding. | 19:04 |
| SridarK | Swami: by router - u mean service node | 19:04 |
| Swami | I think we already have some good pictures out there in the google. We can take up that for explaining to the team. | 19:04 |
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| natarajk | SridarK: there is a router running in each compute node for DVR | 19:05 |
| Swami | Let me do one thing as sumit suggested we can have a virtual meeting room session to go over the scenario nextweek. | 19:06 |
| SridarK | natarajk: yes i know - i wanted to understand which one | 19:06 |
| Swami | If that is ok with everyone. | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: good suggestion | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: let me work out the logistics with you | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam Swami to plan virtual/f2f meeting to further follow up on DVR/FWaaS integration | 19:06 |
| Swami | Couple of our folks are out this week. They will be in office next week. | 19:07 |
| natarajk | can we do google hangout ? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: for now, what is the best DVR document to look at (in case there is more than one) | 19:07 |
| Swami | So let us plan for either Tuesday or Wednesday next week. | 19:07 |
| yyywu | webex possible? | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: and again, apologies for the ignorance on this | 19:07 |
| SridarK | yyywu: webex possible i can set that up | 19:07 |
| Swami | The design doc should be the best one to lock for. | 19:07 |
| yyywu | SridarK, thanks. | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: tuesday is better, so that we are prepared for the wednesday meeting | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: link? | 19:08 |
| Swami | We do have multiple design docs, I will forward you the L3 Agent/SNAT design doc link | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: thanks | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: the one with teh pretty figures ;-) | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: who else at your end are we missing this week? | 19:08 |
| Swami | Otherwise, since the agenda is specific to North-South, I will put together a picture just to address the traffic flow. | 19:08 |
| beyounn | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iXMAyVMf42FTahExmGdYNGOBFyeA4e74sAO3pvr_RjA/edit | 19:08 |
| beyounn | this is what I was reading | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: sweet | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thanks | 19:09 |
| Swami | I don't have Rajeev and Mike in office this week. Vivek is in a different timezone. | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok, i just wanted to understand what progress we can make this week | 19:10 |
| Swami | This document has couple of pictures that you may be interested in . | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: also, have you speced out the VPNaaS/FWaaS support to be part of the DVR spec, or you anticipate a new bp for this? | 19:10 |
| Swami | Or else I will talk to vivek and let us put together a flow picture for North South traffic that uses the Service node and the one that uses the FIP on the compute Node. | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: i am just trying to understand since we have limited time to submit bp specs | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: that sounds great | 19:11 |
| Swami | Will that work out, and if you have any questions we can take it up in the next week's meeting. | 19:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok we will wait for your diagram then, say by Friday? | 19:11 |
| Swami | Sumit: I have not speced out Services bp along with DVR. It would be a follow on. | 19:12 |
| Swami | #agreed. | 19:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok that makes it tricky, i am not sure we have resources right now, do add a new bp spec before tomorrow | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: we will probably need to work it out with the PTL to ride on top of the DVR spec if we have to achieve this in Juno time frame | 19:13 |
| Swami | Ok, do you want me to add the spec. | 19:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: lets check with the PTL on this | 19:14 |
| Swami | sure | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in general, question to the FWaaS team, does anyone have to time to quickly write up a place holder FWaaS spec to support DVR? | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this will however have to land by tomorrow? | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_ beyounn garyduan badveli: ^^^ ? | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: ^^^ ? | 19:15 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: by placeholder what do we need in that ? | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: i tried to hand wave there, you caught me! :-P | 19:16 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: :-) | 19:16 |
| Swami | SridarK: probably everything that the spec guidlines mandates | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: :-) | 19:16 |
| Swami | Sridark: just kiding. | 19:16 |
| badveli | is it very detail | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean i wanted to meet the deadline for submitting the blueprint spec by tomorrow | 19:16 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: Swami: i fear that with the spec we will have an issues | 19:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont expect all the details to be filled out | 19:16 |
| SridarK_ | with review cycles etc | 19:16 |
| SridarK_ | can we target to get this done by associating with one of the existing BP | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am just trying to understand if this is feasible | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if not, it is what it is | 19:17 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: i can add a spec quickly if u want | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and the fall back option could be that Swami could submit a rev for his DVR blueprint | 19:18 |
| SridarK_ | but need more discussion on what we want to put there | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: ok | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: agree | 19:18 |
| beyounn | Sridark_+1 | 19:18 |
| badveli | yes | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: how soon is it possible to get the diagram that you were planning? | 19:18 |
| beyounn | Sumit and Sridar: badveli could help too | 19:19 |
| Swami | Can I get it to you latest by tomorrow evening? Will it be acceptable. | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: that is for the N-S and the FIP traffic | 19:19 |
| badveli | beyounn: i will help | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: hmm, suspect that might be a little late (i understand though that you might have a dependency on Vivek and he is not immediately available) | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: tomorrow evening might be late, right? | 19:20 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes cutting it too fine | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: thanks, good to know that badveli can help | 19:20 |
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| Swami | Yes, other option is I can try by tomorrow morning. That is the fastest I could do. | 19:20 |
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| SridarK_ | Swami: would it be possible to have a call with Vivek tonight or early am tomorrow if that is reqd | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: okay lets shoot for tomorrow morning | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_ badveli: meanwhile we can work on the bp spec skeleton | 19:21 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 19:21 |
| Swami | Yes, I will keep him in the loop, if you guys have any question you can shoot him an email. | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: morning around 10 AM (sorry for being pushy!) | 19:22 |
| badveli | ok sumit | 19:22 |
| Swami | #agreed | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: thanks much | 19:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action Swami to prepare N-S and FIP traffic diagram, send to FWaaS team by morning July 10th to aid submission of FWaaS support for DVR bp spec | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: would you also be available for a quick call tomorrow morning after the diagram is ready? | 19:24 |
| Swami | sumit: this will not be an ASCII diagram. | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: yes sure :-) | 19:24 |
| SridarK_ | Swami: :-( | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: that is fine | 19:24 |
| Swami | sumit: yes, will be available. | 19:24 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: just kidding | 19:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: SridarK_: I am seeing this mainly as a tool for us to understand | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: you can perhaps add the diagram to your spec itself and we can reference it | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: so no ascii diagram required even when we submit the spec | 19:25 |
| yyywu | Swami, can you forward to mailing list? | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: whatever works for you, but at least get it to us | 19:25 |
| Swami | sumit: got it! | 19:26 |
| garyduan | Sorry, I am back. I will look at the diagram | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_ Swami: i might be busy with group policy meeting tomorrow morning, so can you guys sync up on the follow up call tomorrow morning? | 19:26 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: sure | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: perhaps you can set up a webex for 11 or so and invite everyone involved here | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: sound okay? | 19:27 |
| Swami | sure | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: thanks | 19:27 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: sure will do | 19:27 |
| SridarK_ | Swami: thanks - will send u an email too | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | indeed, thanks much Swami for induling us! | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 19:27 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i wanted to mainly focus on the DVR issue for today | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other burning concerns | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: on the service objects | 19:28 |
| badveli | spec review | 19:28 |
| beyounn | Sumit: yes, did not hear anything yet | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: one question (and might be late to bring this up) - how did we arrive at the name “service objects”? | 19:28 |
| beyounn | Sumit: it is a common term used by Juniper and Netscreen | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: i want to make sure we have consensus on this and dont get blocked on it in the future (i know its kind of silly concern) | 19:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ok | 19:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: earlier we were talking in terms of “application” objects | 19:29 |
| beyounn | Sumit: "naming" is the most complicate matter to discuss :-) | 19:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: this is when we had started the fwaas project | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ha :-) | 19:30 |
| beyounn | Sumit: I have no problem to change that | 19:30 |
| garyduan | 'application' might indicate APP ID function | 19:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: my concern is that people dont misinterpret with what we are trying to do, and hence progress gets blocked | 19:30 |
| beyounn | Sumit: the app object can mean different things when the L7 feature started | 19:30 |
| beyounn | Sumit: +1 | 19:31 |
| beyounn | Sumit: when we have applicate identification, the application object is really a L7 term | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn garyduan: okay, i dont have problem with service objects, i just want to make sure that its what the community/industry understands and we are not blocked | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: agree | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: whats your view on this? | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: you as well | 19:32 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: i am fine with service group terminology | 19:32 |
| beyounn | Sumit: the simplest way to look at is if you go to anything unix device /etc/services, you will get all the protocol/port/service definitions | 19:32 |
| SridarK_ | i think this is common usage | 19:32 |
| beyounn | s/anything/any/ | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: ah nice, taht works for me | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: perhaps we can even add that justification/clarification to the spec | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry if i raised an inconsequential concern! | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for once, the fwaas meeting has been longer than the adv services meeting! | 19:33 |
| SridarK_ | :-) | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else? | 19:33 |
| SridarK_ | folks request to review spec: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105373/ for our vendor implementation | 19:33 |
| beyounn | Sumit: sure | 19:33 |
| SridarK_ | natarajk: thanks for getting it started | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK_: thanks of adding us as reviewers, will look | 19:34 |
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| beyounn | Guys, please also help to put +1 to service objects | 19:34 |
| SridarK_ | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 19:34 |
| beyounn | I just want to get some activities | 19:34 |
| SridarK_ | beyounn: surely i will do that | 19:34 |
| beyounn | Sridark_: thanks | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes | 19:34 |
| SridarK_ | my old +1 is gone now | 19:34 |
| natarajk | SridarK: you are welcome. will give my +1 | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: hence raised the topic here | 19:35 |
| beyounn | Sridark_: all the +1 are gone | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn badveli: we need to iterate and respond quickly | 19:35 |
| SridarK_ | beyounn: yes i have no issues thanks for addressing my earlier comments | 19:35 |
| badveli | ok | 19:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: did you hear back from nati_ueno or akihiro? | 19:35 |
| SridarK_ | beyounn: will do so today | 19:35 |
| beyounn | Sumit: did not | 19:35 |
| beyounn | Sumit: I normally update spec overnight | 19:36 |
| nati_ueno | ooops I'm missing something? | 19:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | beyounn: yes, keep up the good work | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: the service objects spec :-) | 19:36 |
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| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: gotcha! I'll review it today. | 19:36 |
| beyounn | nati_ueno: thank ahead | 19:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94133 | 19:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: thanks much! | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks everyone | 19:37 |
| beyounn | Thanks!!!! | 19:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 9 19:37:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-09-18.34.html | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-09-18.34.txt | 19:37 |
| SridarK_ | thanks all | 19:37 |
| SridarK_ | bye | 19:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-09-18.34.log.html | 19:37 |
| badveli | thanks | 19:37 |
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