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| mestery | Hi parity folks! | 14:29 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 14:29 |
| obondarev | Hi | 14:29 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:29 |
| mestery | #startmeeting neutron nova-network parity | 14:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 14:30:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron nova-network parity)" | 14:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_nova_network_parity' | 14:30 |
| mestery | #startmeeting n-nn-parity | 14:30 |
| openstack | mestery: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 14:30 |
| mestery | Whoops | 14:30 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NeutronNovaNetworkParity Agenda | 14:30 |
| Swami | hi everyone | 14:31 |
| * mestery waits a few minutes to let anyone else filter in. | 14:31 | |
| mestery | #topic Gap Analysis Plan | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gap Analysis Plan (Meeting topic: neutron nova-network parity)" | 14:31 | |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Neutron_Gap_Coverage | 14:31 |
| mestery | So, maybe to start, we could quickly go over where we're at for each item in this plan? | 14:32 |
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| markmcclain | want me to run through it? | 14:32 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Please do :) | 14:32 |
| markmcclain | #info Gap 0 is complete | 14:32 |
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| markmcclain | we merged a healing migration that updates the various schema branches that had formed to the canonical version that includes all models | 14:33 |
| mestery | That was awesome work by the team working on gap 0! | 14:34 |
| markmcclain | yeah I was super happy to see everyone working to develop a solution for it | 14:34 |
| markmcclain | Gap 1 Tempest testing is nearly done | 14:35 |
| markmcclain | the lone holdout is enabling the full tempest job for voting | 14:35 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando is working on that bit | 14:35 |
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| markmcclain | Gap 2 is resumption of Grenade testing | 14:35 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-July/040973.html Full Job Email Update | 14:36 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: thanks for the link | 14:37 |
| mestery | markmcclain: np | 14:37 |
| markmcclain | for Gap 2 we have to make some changes to the way devstack sets up Neutron | 14:37 |
| markmcclain | basically we need to stop misusing enable_service | 14:38 |
| markmcclain | I'm working on those and should have them proposed shortly | 14:38 |
| mestery | Excellent! | 14:38 |
| markmcclain | For Gap 3 is dependent on Gap 1 and 2 | 14:39 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105785/ Neutron as default in devstack | 14:39 |
| markmcclain | cool.. just need to track down the failures | 14:40 |
| markmcclain | Gap 4 is the where we are hurting the most | 14:40 |
| markmcclain | the spec within Nova did not get approved by the deadline | 14:41 |
| markmcclain | oops.. Gap 5 spec did not get approved | 14:41 |
| mestery | Wait, you meant gap 6 | 14:41 |
| mestery | 4 is missing API calls :) | 14:41 |
| * markmcclain needs more coffee | 14:41 | |
| * mestery hands markmcclain coffee with kahlua | 14:42 | |
| marun | obondarev - you want to update on your progress? | 14:42 |
| markmcclain | Gap 4 API calls is complete | 14:42 |
| markmcclain | Gap 5: is DVR work which is on track | 14:42 |
| obondarev | marun: sure I will | 14:42 |
| mestery | obondarev: This is for Gap 6 now (nova-net to neutron migration) | 14:43 |
| obondarev | mestery: ok | 14:43 |
| obondarev | so according to nova team feedback on the spec the overall design of the neutron migration was slightly changed | 14:43 |
| obondarev | now instead of migrating to neutron within one compute host the idea is to migrate between hosts | 14:44 |
| obondarev | and make neutron migration as part of existing live-migration mechanism | 14:44 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101921/ Neutron migration specification | 14:44 |
| obondarev | which is reasonable as it is the usual way to perfom big upgrades | 14:44 |
| mestery | obondarev: ++ | 14:44 |
| obondarev | I mean host-by-host | 14:44 |
| obondarev | mestery: thanks for the link | 14:45 |
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| obondarev | currently I'm working on agreeng the design with the nova team and implementing POC in parallel | 14:45 |
| obondarev | thanks to dansmith for his reviews and suggestions! | 14:45 |
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| obondarev | there are some difficulties with POC as now I'm not even able to perform an original live migration on a multinode devstack | 14:46 |
| marun | I notice that daniel berrange has provided contradictory advice as to the chosen strategy on the most recent patch :/ | 14:46 |
| marun | Hopefully we can hammer out the contradictory advise at the mid-cycle meetup next week. | 14:46 |
| obondarev | marun: right | 14:46 |
| mestery | marun: ++, you and markmcclain will be busy with that next week | 14:46 |
| dansmith | well, | 14:47 |
| obondarev | I followed the guide from official openstack docs but still facing some issues with live-migration | 14:47 |
| dansmith | he said that live migration can't always work, which is what I said regarding make sure that cold migration works as well | 14:47 |
| marun | obondarev: as per dan's comment, maybe the starting point is more properly cold migration, since it doesn't have hypervisor dependencies? | 14:47 |
| marun | dansmith: ah, gotcha. | 14:47 |
| marun | dansmith: though there was a comment from him that talked about in-place network switch | 14:48 |
| obondarev | is cold migration is that one that is not a "true" live migration? | 14:48 |
| marun | dansmith: on line 119 | 14:48 |
| mestery | I'm concerned that cold migration won't satisfy the downtime requirements the TC put forth though, just wanted to through that out there. | 14:48 |
| marun | mestery: where is this requirement? | 14:48 |
| mestery | marun: Documented in the TC meeting minutes from last April I'm afraid :( | 14:49 |
| dansmith | marun: yeah, I wonder if he reviewed the previous version of this and saw what that implied | 14:49 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Thoughts on this? | 14:49 |
| marun | mestery: I think we should pull it out of the minutes and formalize it in the gap coverage page | 14:49 |
| mestery | marun: ++ I'll take na action to do that. | 14:49 |
| marun | mestery: the lack of visibility is a problem both on the nova and neutron sides | 14:49 |
| dansmith | mestery: I would expect that "zero downtime for any and all VM types" is probably not a reasonable requirement anyway | 14:49 |
| mestery | #action mestery to scour meeting minutes around downtime requirements for migration and add to coverage wiki | 14:49 |
| mestery | marun: agreed | 14:49 |
| mestery | dansmith: I agree, just throwing it out there from my memory of the TC meeting. | 14:49 |
| markmcclain | right… so originally we specified that network connections can/will drop | 14:49 |
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| markmcclain | but committed to keeping the VMs running if it is impossible than we can always go back and say that keeping them running will be problematic and why | 14:51 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Makes sense to me. | 14:51 |
| dansmith | keeping them running and doing it in-place would be awesome, but I'm not sure it's worth what we'll have to do in order to support it | 14:52 |
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| obondarev | dansmith: by cold migration do you mean "nova migrate..." one? | 14:53 |
| markmcclain | agreed… there are some that don't want to reboot everything to upgrade | 14:53 |
| dansmith | obondarev: yes | 14:53 |
| markmcclain | I just think we have to document everything properly | 14:54 |
| marun | there is some question, though, of just how valuable a migration mechanism is - who the target audience is, and what kind of use cases they have for migration | 14:54 |
| marun | we need something, but it's not clear what without more involvement from deployers who want to use it | 14:54 |
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| marun | is it worth raising the question on the operators list? | 14:54 |
| dansmith | right, I think we're missing some definition about these details and requirements | 14:54 |
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| markmcclain | so part of the issue is that if we EOL nova-net then they operators have to hae something | 14:55 |
| marun | markmcclain: sure. I don't think that precludes doing some research to see what 'something' should e | 14:55 |
| marun | be | 14:55 |
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| marun | and maybe that should be driven from the TC side, given that its them that are setting the requirements | 14:56 |
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| markmcclain | I'll work on narrowing the scope a bit | 14:56 |
| marun | from the TC side you mean? | 14:57 |
| marun | dansmith mentoined that there could be folks from metacloud at the mid-cycle next week (if we're lucky) | 14:58 |
| markmcclain | marun: yes | 14:58 |
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| marun | even if not, it might be worth engaging with them since they're a pretty heavy nova network user | 14:58 |
| dansmith | yeah, | 14:58 |
| dansmith | knowing what they'd expect a migration to have to look like before they'd be willing to take it would be good data | 14:58 |
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| markmcclain | good point | 14:59 |
| marun | markmcclain: so, we can leave it to you to drive narrowing the requirements from the TC side | 14:59 |
| Swami | mestery: I need to quit, I have to be in the DVR status meeting, if you need any info please ping me. | 14:59 |
| marun | markmcclain: and I'd hope you'd raise the point of engaging with operators so that the effort is able to be grounded in actual requirements | 14:59 |
| mestery | Swami: will do, thanks! | 14:59 |
| markmcclain | marun: yeah.. I'll try to make items more specific | 15:00 |
| markmcclain | re cold vs live migraiton | 15:00 |
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| dansmith | markmcclain: also, it'd be good to know if the TC expects every possible vertex on the matrix of configurations to be migratable, without downtime, etc | 15:00 |
| dansmith | markmcclain: because it could be that just providing a nova-manage command to tweak the database while everything control-plane-wise is shut down would be sufficient for folks that can't do migrations | 15:01 |
| mestery | dansmith: we didn't delve into that level of specifics at the meeting, there is a definite gray zone here. | 15:01 |
| markmcclain | we know there will be configurations that cannot be universally upgraded, so part of the process is documenting the ones that cannot be done | 15:01 |
| dansmith | markmcclain: and then let nova-compute startup migrate the VIFs on the next startup | 15:01 |
| markmcclain | and then give the operator options to manually resolve | 15:02 |
| dansmith | markmcclain: okay, well, we should be able to make serious progress on this next week, in terms of ideas and feasibility I think | 15:02 |
| markmcclain | dansmith: agreed | 15:02 |
| obondarev | also Nachi Ueno has proposed another possible way for neutron migration recently | 15:04 |
| obondarev | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12w28HhNpLltSpA6pJvKWBiqeEusaI-NM-OZo8HNyH2w/edit#slide=id.p | 15:04 |
| nati_ueno | hi | 15:04 |
| obondarev | hi Nachi | 15:05 |
| nati_ueno | it's still in idea phase, but I think using nova-network manager code is also simple way | 15:05 |
| marun | I'm not sure of the value of the proposed approach, since it still requires migrating responsibility between nova network and neutron | 15:05 |
| obondarev | The idea looks nice as it requires minimal nova-side changes and seems can be implemented fairly quickly | 15:05 |
| marun | what does this intermediate step buy us? | 15:05 |
| nati_ueno | I think we can make no downtime | 15:05 |
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| dansmith | nati_ueno: this is more like what I was expecting us to have | 15:06 |
| obondarev | but it is still not a true neutron migration I think | 15:06 |
| dansmith | nati_ueno: changes to nova-network to bridge the gap until we could "go direct to neutron" after some amount of small transition | 15:06 |
| nati_ueno | so current our approach is 100% neutron compat 50% nova compat. | 15:06 |
| nati_ueno | I thinks we should start with 100% nova compat 50% neutron compat | 15:06 |
| nati_ueno | then we can improve compatibility in neutron side | 15:06 |
| dansmith | right | 15:06 |
| nati_ueno | dansmith: ya | 15:06 |
| Swami | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-ovs-dvr,n,z | 15:07 |
| Swami | sorry wrong place. | 15:07 |
| nati_ueno | so I believe north bound api and data plane downtime matter | 15:09 |
| dansmith | nati_ueno: ah, this is why you were asking about the migrate_* methods :) | 15:09 |
| nati_ueno | dansmith: yes. | 15:10 |
| nati_ueno | _setup_network_on_host is missing in neutron side, but we can call it when we craete/delete port | 15:10 |
| marun | I think this proposal is a nicer solution, but it's not clear to me what the implementation cost would be compared to the strategies already proposed. | 15:11 |
| markmcclain | we considered this approach earlier too… there are still some issues with how different elements that are currently shared between Nova and Neutron cooperate | 15:11 |
| marun | and we'd need clarity from a user perspective to decide whether that cost was worth paying | 15:11 |
| marun | (of course, if it's cheaper and simpler, it would be hard to argue against it) | 15:11 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: what's issue did you have? | 15:11 |
| mestery | marun: ++ | 15:11 |
| markmcclain | iptables is one of them | 15:12 |
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| nati_ueno | markmcclain: For that part, we can use neutron side driver | 15:12 |
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| nati_ueno | markmcclain: nova-network has no security group code | 15:12 |
| nati_ueno | Anyway, I agree with marun. I'll try to POC this. | 15:13 |
| nati_ueno | may be, if it works, it can be one option, right? | 15:13 |
| nati_ueno | it may take 1 week, or 3 month :) | 15:13 |
| markmcclain | it can definitely be an option | 15:13 |
| marun | nati_ueno: I would recommend collaborating with obondarev to add details to the spec as a secondary step | 15:13 |
| mestery | marun: Yes, we should coorinate this as much as possible. | 15:14 |
| nati_ueno | marun: sure | 15:14 |
| marun | nati_ueno: we'll need comparison between proposed approaches if we're to make a decision | 15:14 |
| markmcclain | but we probably should to fail fast vs letting it linger | 15:14 |
| marun | markmcclain++ | 15:14 |
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| nati_ueno | ya. anyway, this is still just an idea. Let me POC it | 15:15 |
| nati_ueno | so team should go existing way | 15:15 |
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| mestery | nati_ueno: Thanks! | 15:15 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 15:16 |
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| mestery | That's all I had on the agenda for this week. | 15:16 |
| mestery | Going over the gaps and reporting progress. | 15:16 |
| mestery | Anything else from anyone? | 15:16 |
| markmcclain | that's all from me | 15:17 |
| mestery | OK, thanks everyone! | 15:17 |
| mestery | markmcclain and marun and dansmith: I hope you folks make some serious progress in person next week at the nova mid-cycle. | 15:17 |
| mestery | We'll have hte meeting next week as well. | 15:17 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone! | 15:17 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 15:17:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_nova_network_parity/2014/neutron_nova_network_parity.2014-07-23-14.30.html | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_nova_network_parity/2014/neutron_nova_network_parity.2014-07-23-14.30.txt | 15:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_nova_network_parity/2014/neutron_nova_network_parity.2014-07-23-14.30.log.html | 15:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi all | 17:32 |
| marios | o/ | 17:32 |
| s3wong | hello | 17:32 |
| vinay_yadhav | Hi | 17:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apologies for the delay, i had problems connecting | 17:32 |
| LouisF | hi | 17:33 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 17:33 |
| kevinbenton | O/ | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get started | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking Advanced Services | 17:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 17:33:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_advanced_services' | 17:33 |
| cgoncalves | hi! | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Spec approval deadline has passed | 17:33 |
| s3wong | SAD | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | indeed, especially for thos specs which got left out | 17:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and definitely not funny! | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if you feel strongly that you would still like your spec to be considered for Juno | 17:34 |
| songole | hi | 17:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | please petition for a SFE | 17:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | spec freeze exception | 17:34 |
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| marios | SumitNaiksatam: out of interest, when are those expected until (is there a deadline) | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said the likelihood of it going through are pretty slim | 17:35 |
| vinay_yadhav | to whom should we address it to | 17:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: honestly i am not aware of it | 17:35 |
| marios | vinay_yadhav: see the mailing list, there are lots already | 17:35 |
| Swami | hi | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: you can send to -dev mailer, there are a few | 17:35 |
| vinay_yadhav | thanx marios | 17:35 |
| vinay_yadhav | sumit: thnx | 17:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | our team has alread been give one for flavors | 17:35 |
| cgoncalves | s3wong: +1 for SAD | 17:35 |
| cgoncalves | I mean, SAD as in sad upper-case :-) | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves, vinay_yadhav: i definitely feel your frustration | 17:36 |
| marios | i was wondering what was happening/gonna happen with flavors and the deadline | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | been there several times before! | 17:36 |
| s3wong | salvortore said that at current rate (and volume), he advises not accepting any more exception other than some --- well - exception cases | 17:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: lets discuss that in the agenda item | 17:36 |
| s3wong | marios: flavor has requested SFE, and most likely will be accepted | 17:36 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: yes, but I kind of would like to stress out here today the unexpected approval of the service chain spec | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything anyone wanted to discuss here in terms of the process? | 17:37 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: yeah thx, i was mostly responding to your update (missed the sfe for that) | 17:37 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: nothing against you or mandeep, though | 17:37 |
| marios | s3wong: thx | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: any reason you say “unexpected”? | 17:37 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: I feel like it was approved without a broad discussion from the community and very few +1's | 17:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: last i check there were no negative votes on that | 17:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: and i personally was happy with what was mentioned in there since this is what we have been saying for the past three summits | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: hence my +2 | 17:38 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: although I can't complain much because I had no time to review it | 17:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i cant speak for the other reviewers though | 17:39 |
| anil_rao | Can I ask a question regarding the review process? | 17:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: sure | 17:39 |
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| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: I know | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: we can discuss service chain spec in the agenda item if you have concerns | 17:40 |
| anil_rao | I find that several +1s can be wiped out by a single -1, even if most folks don't agree with the reasons behind the -1. How does that work? | 17:40 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 17:40 |
| vinay_yadhav | Anil: +1 | 17:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: yeah these things are subjective | 17:40 |
| cgoncalves | anil_rao: +1 | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: its not necessarily the case that the -1s are “wiped” out | 17:41 |
| marios | i should point out that anil_rao's point applies to neutron or even openstack more generally, its not an advanced services specs issue. | 17:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: but that shows some level of disagreement and hence the possibility of more discussion | 17:41 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: yes definitely | 17:42 |
| anil_rao | the reason I ask is I would like to know how to avoid such a scenario going forward. | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: sure | 17:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: though i would like to point out that this is not a novel experience and unique to you | 17:43 |
| vinay_yadhav | how do we make sure we have address all concerns when things are commented on the very last week or day :) | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anil_rao: as marios pointed out | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its across the project | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav: absolutely | 17:43 |
| s3wong | vinay_yadhav: that happens very often :-) | 17:43 |
| anil_rao | We need to have some system where the collective +1s from several well meaning reviewers hold some weight. | 17:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | vinay_yadhav, anil_rao: to be honest, the amount of attention that the tap as a service spec got as a part of this team is unprecedented for a new feature | 17:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it typically takes longer for a new feature to incubate and get through | 17:44 |
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| anil_rao | We are very thankful for that, which is why I was hoping that the support we got here counts. :-) | 17:44 |
| marios | vinay_yadhav: anil_rao: I didn't submit a spec so I won't pretend to understand how p****d off you guys must be right now. i think this isn't something SumitNaiksatam can really address... IMO an email to the mailing list to provide feedback on the specs review process (and these last minute drive-by's) would probably be better targetted | 17:45 |
| marios | my 2c | 17:45 |
| vinay_yadhav | sumit: we are happy that advanced services group commented on the spec extensively and help improve it | 17:45 |
| anil_rao | vinay_yadhav: +1 | 17:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if you approach other members of the community, they will politely tell you, please contribute by reviewing other blueprints as well and participating in the Neutron priority activities like Nova network parity :-) | 17:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: absolutely great suggestion | 17:46 |
| anil_rao | agree | 17:46 |
| vinay_yadhav | marios: thanx will try that | 17:46 |
| marios | :( sorry | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and again, i can uenquivocally say, that i feel the pain of the folks whose spec did not get approved (i have been throught that before!) | 17:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i am not being fatalistic here | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i think we as a team owned these specs | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so its “sad” for the entire team | 17:47 |
| vinay_yadhav | i guess we can all try to make the system better for the future | 17:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said, like i mentioned privately to cgoncalves, vinay_yadhav, anil_rao before, it is very difficult to argue against the accepted priorities of the project | 17:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and that priority in the J release has been pretty much on nova network parity (and DVR such that it supports the mutli-host feature) | 17:49 |
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| regXboi | I would point out the following ... any new patch wipes out all +1 and -1s | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but does that mean that we close our shop and twiddle thumbs | 17:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: true | 17:50 |
| regXboi | and -1s mean that something should be addressed in the comments | 17:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: yes | 17:50 |
| regXboi | I would argue that collective +1s shouldn't outweight a -1 | 17:50 |
| regXboi | because the -1 may be uncovering a case not thought of yet | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: that might be true in cases | 17:51 |
| regXboi | and I can say that I've pushed back on at least one -1 successfully | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | regXboi: but in this case the -1 was from cores | 17:51 |
| vinay_yadhav | regXboi: true, but the +1 should not be wiped off either imho | 17:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so while there is reason to be frustrated, hopefully if we keep marching in terms of the discussion, i think we have a head start for K | 17:52 |
| cgoncalves | regXboi: while that's true, some specs got -1 from core reviewer(s) just because j3 was already swamped with approved specs | 17:52 |
| regXboi | so... in order.... | 17:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as a parallel activity, definitely do provide your feedback on the mailing list on the process, if you have concerns | 17:52 |
| regXboi | +1s being wiped from new revisions actually makes sense | 17:52 |
| regXboi | second order - I can't speak to the why of -1s (I'm not a core, so don't ask :) ) | 17:53 |
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| mandeep | regXboi: I believe, any solution is going to have holes (removing +1s or -1s), I would just like better reporting that shows all +1/-1s across versions so that you do not have to go re-assert them again. | 17:54 |
| vinay_yadhav | regXboi: it makes sense when the reviewer review the new patch and +1 or -1 it again :) | 17:54 |
| regXboi | mandeep: that *would* be nice | 17:54 |
| regXboi | but I'm not sure it's practical from gerrit's perspective | 17:54 |
| vinay_yadhav | mandeep: +1 | 17:54 |
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| regXboi | I'm just agreeing with SumitNaiksatam that expressing that on the ML is the way to go | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we have heard everyone, and been on this for about 25 mins now | 17:55 |
| kevinbenton | mandeep: i think that’s what happens for workflow votes, but only cores have those | 17:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so, lets move on for now | 17:55 |
| kevinbenton | mandeep: although that might just be the -2’s… | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and feel free to reach out to me as well if you feel the need to continue this conversaton | 17:56 |
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| mandeep | kevinbenton: Yes, I think that -2 form cores is sticky. | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have already preemptly reached out to the owners of the specs which did not get through | 17:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: there? | 17:56 |
| enikanorov_ | yes | 17:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Flavors | 17:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: i believe we got the FFE for this | 17:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: and you have posted a WIP patch | 17:57 |
| enikanorov_ | right, the patch is actually ready for review | 17:57 |
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| enikanorov_ | and i've got some comments from stephen already | 17:57 |
| enikanorov_ | which i'm going to resolve | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am not sure what the plan is on the bp spec, since markmcclain was away on vacation last week | 17:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: dont we need to get the spec approved first? | 17:58 |
| enikanorov_ | i'm working on cli also, hope to post it this week | 17:58 |
| enikanorov_ | SumitNaiksatam: yes, sure... :) | 17:58 |
| enikanorov_ | I asked markmcclain to folloup on spec | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: i am one of the assigned cores, so i am waiting on activity on the spec review in gerrit | 17:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_: thanks | 17:58 |
| enikanorov_ | or i can do that if he don't have enough time | 17:58 |
| enikanorov_ | so basically i can update the spec if he agrees | 17:59 |
| markmcclain | I'll rev the spec | 17:59 |
| enikanorov_ | great! | 17:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any questions for enikanorov_ or markmcclain? | 18:00 |
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| enikanorov_ | oops | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov_ markmcclain: thanks | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service base and insertion implementation update | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong, kevinbenton: ? | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and marios | 18:02 |
| marios | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: sorry i did not get a chance to respond to your email | 18:03 |
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| marios | SumitNaiksatam: haha, i was about to apologise for not checking my email | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: no worries | 18:03 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: did you need me to describe the issue? | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i believe you are repurposing kanzhe’s earlier implementation on the db and api | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: i believe you are referring to the discussion on where the service interface is implemented | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: go ahead | 18:05 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: first off, thanks for all your last minute efforts on this last week! | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: np | 18:06 |
| kevinbenton | yes. if we have the service interface API as a top level object, there won’t be an easy way to tell what type of service is being referenced by the creation of the service interface | 18:06 |
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| kevinbenton | because it will just be a UUID | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: even before we reach that point | 18:07 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: sorry, talking to rkukura in office now | 18:07 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: go ahead. I’m not sure what context is necessary | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: the neutron manager needs to decide where to dispatch the create service interface call to | 18:08 |
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| marios | i thought it was the backwards compat issue for the clients (though what kevinbenton describes sounds like another issue) | 18:08 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: and yes, I am working on moving kanzhe's code to the latest model | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: we will come to that next | 18:08 |
| marios | s3wong: is the code in gerrit? | 18:08 |
| s3wong | marios: not yet | 18:08 |
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| marios | s3wong: i also have wip for vpn (and also needs conversion over to serviceinterface etc) | 18:08 |
| marios | s3wong: k thx | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we are proposing to implement a separate “service plugin” to implement the service interface | 18:09 |
| marios | (very early wip) | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this “service plugin” will then make a call on the appropriate fwaas/vpnaas/lbaas service plugin | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is where we face the second issue of deciding which sevice instance object is associated with the uuid (this is what kevinbenton was referring to) | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: i have some thoughts on that | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: we could potentially leverage notifications (say when a firewall is created) and have the new “service plugin” listen to that | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: when it gets the notification, it keeps a reference to in its own db as a firewall object | 18:11 |
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| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: then it won’t work with services created before the plugin was activated. is that okay? | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully we can ensure the order | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: but good point, and something to think about it | 18:12 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: I mean way before, like during an Icehouse deployment :-) | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think for the benefit for everyone else, this will probably be cleared with some WIP code | 18:12 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: during Monday's conversation, I think we say that the service object (i.e. FWaaS object) DB has a attribute pointing back to ServiceBase entry? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: ah, backward compatibility | 18:13 |
| marios | s3wong: that's how i understand it (to a serviceinterface) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: there would be no service insertion feature for icehouse | 18:13 |
| s3wong | marios: actually to a serviceBase, then from the ServiceBase, we get the list of ServiceInterfaces | 18:13 |
| s3wong | (that's the DB model) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: i mean, the default insertion performed by the service happens in that case | 18:14 |
| marios | s3wong: yeah, i assumed when it said 'servicebaseentry' it meant to one of the interfaces | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: so for example, firewall is inserted on all routers | 18:14 |
| kevinbenton | SumitNaiksatam: oh, it’s not possible to change the insertion for an existing service? | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: at least in my mind we did not set out to provide that level of backward compatibility | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton: that will be a hard problem to solve and i am not sure its worth the effort | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | fwaas and vpnaas still have experimental APIs | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and LBaaS is going through a change | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on the backward compatiblity | 18:16 |
| s3wong | marios: servicebase maps one to one to each service instance; and servicebase holds the list of serviceinterfaces associated with that service instance | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i proposed a solution to marios (vpnaas) and sridaK (fwaas) | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: you are comfortable with that? | 18:17 |
| marios | s3wong: right | 18:17 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: i think it sounds sane right now, but we need to retain the router id for example (for vpn) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: yes, we retain that | 18:17 |
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| marios | SumitNaiksatam: i think we can try stuff out and come back to it next week | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: i think we should strive to be as less intrusive as possible | 18:18 |
| pcm___ | sorry, as my connection dropped a bit. Is there a BP for this? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: sure | 18:18 |
| marios | apologies, have to put my 2year old to bed... hopefully brb | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm___: we are discussing the service base and insertion bp | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: no worires, thanks for joining | 18:18 |
| pcm___ | thanks | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pcm___: that includes the implementation for vpnaas, fwaas and lbaas | 18:19 |
| hemanthravi | s3wong: are the new apis implemented in the new plugin or servicebase? | 18:19 |
| Swami | sumitnaiksatam: can you post the link here, it would be useful. | 18:19 |
| pcm___ | goal being to have a common service? | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93128 | 18:19 |
| s3wong | hemanthravi: with SumitNaiksatam 's suggestion, the APIs would be on the new plugin | 18:19 |
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| hemanthravi | can't these be done in servicebase? | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi s3wong: the REST APIs are handled in the new “service plugin” | 18:20 |
| s3wong | hemanthravi: I don't think we have plugin for servicebase per se, though | 18:20 |
| s3wong | it is abstract | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, the service base will stil need to have these methods as well | 18:21 |
| pcm___ | SumitNaiksatam: Do the service's APIs come into the service base and then get forwarded to the respective service? | 18:21 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: for other services to implement their own inherited methods? | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so the flow would be: REST call for creating service interface -> new “service plugin” -> fwaas service plugin | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | pcm___: so the service base as defined in the spec stays the way it is (or may be a close variant of that) | 18:22 |
| garyduan | Do we have a WIP patch about new "service plugin"? | 18:22 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: so the point of the plugin is to maintain the association between fwaas_UUID and the interface, until that fwaas instance is inserted | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, the service interface resource gets implemented in a new service plugin | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: perhaps you missed activity over the weekend, we just got the spec approved :-) | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: the main point of the new service plugin is to be able to honor the CRUD for the service interface | 18:23 |
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| garyduan | yes. I saw that, I wanted to +1, but it's already approved | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: since the existing plugins cannot be used to implement the service interface resource | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: np | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: otherwise you will have each of fwaas/vpnaas/lbaas implementing the same resource/extension | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | marios: and the neutron manager (api layer) will not know which service plugin to send the call to | 18:25 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: i see the implementation issue now | 18:25 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: I should say, I understand the issue now | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: yeah, its a little difficult to explain in text here, hence i was saying it will be clearer with a WIP patch | 18:26 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: thanks, a lot of this is still new to me | 18:26 |
| garyduan | SumitNaiksatam: right. Look at the code is easier. | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: the side effect of the above is that we need to still dispatch to the fwaas plugin, and hence we need to know that a particular uuid in the service interface create call is a firewall object | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so we went much deeper into this discussion than planned | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Service Chains | 18:27 |
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| marios | SumitNaiksatam: so then would 'create_service_interface' still need to be implemented in each service, or is that what you're saying here. that this will be implemente3d in the service plugin only | 18:27 |
| marios | (as an example) | 18:27 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: nm | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: we would (the service base will change) | 18:27 |
| marios | SumitNaiksatam: next tinme, sorry | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | marios: thanks | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole mandeep: ? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | quick update? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know cgoncalves you had questions on the spec? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we can keep it short | 18:28 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Sorry, I was pulled in a different discussion ... | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for this time, and we can continue the conversation later | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: no worries | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: my understanding is that you are on track for the implementation? | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | implementation/WIP patch | 18:29 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: yes. We are finalyzing on the plan | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ok good, perhaps you can report next week | 18:29 |
| songole | ok | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:29 |
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| mandeep | Yes, no new status update. There was a request from LouisF to allow for different forward and reverse paths, and we can look into that for a later versiion | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep songole: thanks | 18:30 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: sorry, lagged connection | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry, we did not get a chance to discuss traffic steering and Tap | 18:30 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: what's the plan for implementing a PoC for SC? | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | although my proposal is to still keep these on the agenda for this meeting leading into K | 18:30 |
| LouisF | mandeep: i think the bp is incomplete as is | 18:30 |
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| cgoncalves | mandeep: maybe you can better answer to my question | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so next time onwards we wil try to give at least some time to these specs such that we dont have to restart the discussion later | 18:31 |
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| mandeep | cgoncalves: What was the question? I missed earlier part of the meeting. | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are a little over time, so lets keep the discussion short, and we can continue over the mailer or next week | 18:31 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: OK | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: cgoncalves is asking what is the plan for a PoC? | 18:31 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: plans on PoC for service chain | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: is there a time frame planned | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | cgoncalves: i believe songole is also working on this | 18:32 |
| mandeep | cgoncalves: Plan was to work on that (plan) this week | 18:32 |
| cgoncalves | mandeep: ah! ok :) | 18:32 |
| cgoncalves | SumitNaiksatam: nice, thanks | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: can we get something by next meeting? | 18:32 |
| mandeep | SumitNaiksatam: Sure | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | have a plan ready, say by tomorrow, and socialize in the next meeting (or earlier if you chose to use the mailer) | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mandeep: thanks! | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else? | 18:33 |
| mandeep | LouisF: Can you email me the concern that you had? | 18:33 |
| LouisF | mandeep: ok | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for reviewing the blueprints over the weekend | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hopefully it wont be the same rush with the reviews for J3 | 18:33 |
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| marios | \o g'night all | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alright thanks all, and if you have any concerns please feel free to send me an email | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all! | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:34 |
| songole | bye | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:34 |
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| cgoncalves | bye | 18:34 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 18:34:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-23-17.33.html | 18:34 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-23-17.33.txt | 18:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_advanced_services/2014/networking_advanced_services.2014-07-23-17.33.log.html | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan beyounn badveli natarajk there? | 18:35 |
| natarajk | hi | 18:36 |
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| badveli | hello | 18:36 |
| garyduan | Hi | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:37 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 23 18:37:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:37 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:37 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm___: hi | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm___: thanks for joining as well | 18:38 |
| pcm___ | sure np. Someone has to keep an eye on you guys :) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | pcm___: thanks for carrying out that imp task! perhaps you will extend it to the reviews as well ;-) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info spec approval deadline has passed | 18:39 |
| pcm___ | yup | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we managed to get the specs approved that we had planned | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything we missed | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:39 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: sure | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we missed something, and you want to petition for an exception, please send an email to the mailer | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | although the chances of getting an exception are pretty slim | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic action item review | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i was planning to set up a f2f with Swami | 18:41 |
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| Swami | Yes sumit. | 18:41 |
| Swami | Are you guys on for the meet, I did not hear anything from you. | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli beyounn garyduan, what say, one day we drive to sacramento? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: still convincing people to make the trip :-) | 18:42 |
| garyduan | ah | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: we will get back to you on this | 18:42 |
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| Swami | SumitNaiksatam: Sure | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #action fwaas team to discuss f2f team with DVR team | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | another action item was for Swami to bring up the FWaaS/DVR spec in the L3 meeting to pave the way for approval | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we are good on this as well | 18:43 |
| natarajk | cool | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami and team, thanks again for all the last minute interaction and for pushing this forward | 18:44 |
| natarajk | yes the meetings really helped in finalizing the spec | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | the third action was for garyduan to provide an estimate on supporting flavors for fwaas and provide an update (in response to salvatore’s comment) in the flavors bp spec | 18:45 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: +1 | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan please follow up in case you havent | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | one pending bug was reduced in severity from high to medium | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we still need to review | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90575 | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | any other bugs that caught anyone’s attention? | 18:48 |
| garyduan | I did comment on both falvor spec and patch | 18:48 |
| natarajk | SumitNaiksatam: I'll review bug 90575 | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: great | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: thanks | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | BTW, our bug Czar - SridarK is out today | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but SridarK did a pass yesterday and reported that he did not find anything which was critical | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i believe you are also looking at this? | 18:49 |
| badveli | yes i followed that link | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i mean scrubbing bugs? | 18:50 |
| badveli | i looked at the link some days back | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ok great, good to have multiple keep an eye on this | 18:50 |
| badveli | currently submitting a patch for the comments i have for service groups | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic blueprint tracking | 18:50 |
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| badveli | i will take a look at it again | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: thanks | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | FWaaS/DVR support | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: SridarK mentioned you were trying to get an installation going | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i mean just the DVR installation | 18:52 |
| Swami | Guys there was fix that went in for the FIP yesterday in the L3 agent, I recommend you to restack with the latest code for testing. | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: thanks for the heads up | 18:53 |
| badveli | sridar asked if i have two servers, but we did not yet discussed on it | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: so its merged, right? | 18:53 |
| Swami | Yes will be merged anytime soon. | 18:54 |
| Swami | It is ready to be merged. | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: that said i believe we were earlier pointed to a private repo earlier | 18:54 |
| Swami | But you can still pick up from Carl's repo | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ah my question | 18:54 |
| Swami | All patches have not landed up in the upstream | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: so we continue to go to Carl’s repo? | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for now | 18:54 |
| Swami | That is the reason we recommend to pick up from Carl's repo, that is updated constantly. | 18:54 |
| Swami | sumit: yes | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: okay good | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: so does Carl’s repo have the entire implementation, or that is also evolving? | 18:55 |
| Swami | SumitNaiksatam: I need to step out, if you need any other information please let me know offline. | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok we will ping you, thanks for joining | 18:55 |
| Swami | SumitNaiksatam: Carl's repo has the entire code base. | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: ok | 18:55 |
| Swami | Thanks sumit | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: sorry, did not notice your earlier response | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: so you are planning to start installing the DVR in parallel? | 18:56 |
| badveli | no problem, i am trying to study on the wiki on how to install | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: great, i think that will be very helpful preparation until SridarK comes back, so that we can make some immediate progress after he is back | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok anything more on FWaaS/DVR? | 18:57 |
| badveli | sumit, i am actively working on the patches for the service groups | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yes, thats next | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Service Objects/Groups | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: any blockers there? | 18:58 |
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| badveli | i will be submitting a patch for the db part addressing comments and also some of the spec's latest updates | 18:58 |
| badveli | the reference implementation is another patch which is wip | 18:59 |
| badveli | thanks for your help, if we can get the cli and the configs part reviewed | 19:00 |
| badveli | the data modelling | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: sure, but the CLI review will typically happen in earnest after the neutron pathces are in a good stage | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: but yeah we need to keep working on them in parallel, so that people can test end to end | 19:01 |
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| badveli | sumit: can it happend that the cinfig and the db patches will be merged | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i am behind on the reviews for code patches | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: links? | 19:02 |
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| badveli | before the cli patch | 19:02 |
| badveli | i send the email, | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh btw, can you all please update: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FWaaS/JunoPlan | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | whenever you post a patch | 19:03 |
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| badveli | fine sumit | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i meant can you paste the links here for the benefit of those in this meeting | 19:04 |
| badveli | yes sumit will do it | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: in terms of review and merging, the expectation is as follows | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 1. the patches should be small | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | 2. if the feature is large, the patches should be broken into relatively self-contained parts in the form of a series | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in this case, Resource model/API, and DB can be one patch | 19:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | plugin/agent/driver can be a second patch | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | depending on the size, if they turn out to be too large, we wil have to break them further | 19:06 |
| badveli | Sumit: We are doing exactly the same way | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | 3. for a feature to merge, the refer implementation (that goes all the way to the datapath) should be available for review | 19:06 |
| garyduan | There will be some overlap with the flavor support, as both touch fwaas plugin | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and testing | 19:06 |
| badveli | theResource model/API, and DB is one patch and the plugin/agent/driver is another patch in wip | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: great | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: will take a look | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: to your earlier question, the neutron patches will merge before the CLI patches | 19:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i did not quite understand what you meant by the config patches | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: agreed, for now i would say lets not create dependencies | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: i think we can take the hit of resolving merge conflicts in the interest of letting these proceed in parallel | 19:08 |
| garyduan | sure. should be easy to resolve | 19:08 |
| badveli | sumit, the one for theResource model/API, and DB | 19:08 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | garyduan: good | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: ah, yeah, we will get to that first | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: as a reference, please pay careful attention to the reviews that went if for the initial fwaas patches | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: if we avoid the issues present there, i think it will reduce the time we spend on these reviews | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic vendor blueprints | 19:12 |
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| badveli | sumit, sure i am addressing | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK is not here | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: thanks | 19:12 |
| natarajk | SumitNaiksatam: i'll file the design spec for brocade plugin once kilo spec repository opens | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: and you mentioned that your stuff is targeted for K? | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: nice, keep us posted | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic open discussion | 19:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything else we need to discuss today? | 19:13 |
| natarajk | SumitNaiksatam: Focusing on getting the l3 plugin approved for Juno-3 | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: yes sure, it was great that the spec was approved! | 19:14 |
| natarajk | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks for your support | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | natarajk: always! | 19:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok if no more issues to be discussed today, then we get 15 mins back :-) | 19:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ok thanks all for joining | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye! | 19:15 |
| natarajk | bye | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:15 |
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| badveli | bye | 19:15 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 23 19:15:24 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-23-18.37.html | 19:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-23-18.37.txt | 19:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-07-23-18.37.log.html | 19:15 |
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