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| rprakash | netron l3-gateway meeting? | 15:41 |
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| sarob | Morn | 17:00 |
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| thinrichs1 | Hi all | 17:00 |
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| arosen | hiya | 17:00 |
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| thinrichs1 | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 2 17:01:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: CongressTeamMeeting)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 17:01 |
| zhipeng | yo yo | 17:01 |
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| thinrichs1 | We have 2 things on the agenda today (feel free to add): assigning milestones to blueprints and doing status updates. | 17:02 |
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| thinrichs1 | Seems like we've got enough people to start with the milestones. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | For those who aren't aware… | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs1 | there are 3 milestones each code release (kilo is the next one). | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | Each milestone is basically a deadline for getting code committed. | 17:03 |
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| thinrichs1 | All code must be committed by the 3rd milestone. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | Here are the dates. | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | kilo1 Dec 18 | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | kilo2 Feb 5 | 17:03 |
| thinrichs1 | kilo3 Mar 19 | 17:03 |
| glebo | (fyi: AdvServ mtg runs concurrently to this mtg. My attention will primarily be there, but I'll try to keep an eye on this one) | 17:03 |
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| llu-laptop | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 17:04 |
| thinrichs1 | glebo: understood. Thanks. | 17:04 |
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| thinrichs1 | So for those of you who have signed up to work on a blueprint, we want to get an idea as to when you think you'll be finished. | 17:04 |
| thinrichs1 | Then we'll assign the blueprint to the appropriate milestone. | 17:04 |
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| zhipeng | since we are targeting for opnfv releases, kilo 3 should wok for us | 17:05 |
| zhipeng | for the reactive policy enforcement | 17:05 |
| thinrichs1 | zhipeng: there are 3-4 blueprints needed to implement reactive enforcement. | 17:05 |
| thinrichs1 | Ideally we'd space those out so that we see incremental progress throughout the release cycle. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs1 | One sec while I pull up a link. | 17:06 |
| thinrichs1 | For example, policy-engine-trigger | 17:07 |
| thinrichs1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/policy-engine-trigger | 17:07 |
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| thinrichs1 | is used by a couple of blueprints. Ideally we'd have that land in kilo1 or kilo2. | 17:07 |
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| madhumohan | thinrichs: I started working on implementing modal operators last week (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134376/2/specs/kilo/modal-operators-for-policy.rst) | 17:08 |
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| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: great! Think you'll have it done by Dec 18? | 17:08 |
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| thinrichs1 | Or should we push that to Feb 5? | 17:08 |
| zhipeng | okey so what do you think is best for those bps? I don't think we could pull a Dec 18 | 17:08 |
| thinrichs1 | Agreed that Dec 18 is coming up fast. | 17:09 |
| madhumohan | I should have the first version only by next meeting... | 17:09 |
| zhipeng | and another problem is that we could do 2 BPs for the reasons of resources | 17:09 |
| thinrichs1 | The goal is to assign realistic dates for these blueprints. | 17:09 |
| zhipeng | do you have other volunteers for reactive enforce? | 17:10 |
| thinrichs1 | So you tell me when you think they can get done. Madhu: I'm guessing that means you think Feb 5 is reasonable? | 17:10 |
| llu-laptop | for the bunch of bps for reactive enforcement, I think many of them are still being reviewed in the spec repository. How about put the proposed milestone into the specs being reviewed? | 17:10 |
| thinrichs1 | zhipeng: we can definitely spread the blueprints out. | 17:10 |
| madhumohan | thinrichs: yes i think feb 5th would be reasonable.. | 17:10 |
| zhipeng | I think Kilo 2 should be reasonable for us as well | 17:11 |
| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: great! | 17:11 |
| zhipeng | llu-laptop agree | 17:11 |
| thinrichs1 | zhipeng: which BPs are you talking about, specifically? | 17:11 |
| zhipeng | have u got my email last week? | 17:11 |
| sarob | zhipeng: llu, kirshan volunteered for also for reactive enforcement | 17:12 |
| zhipeng | I think the trigger one and the reactive one | 17:12 |
| thinrichs1 | llu-laptop, zhipeng: I'm hesitant to put milestones into the specs. | 17:12 |
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| arosen | here's all the open reviews for congress-specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/congress-specs,n,z | 17:13 |
| thinrichs1 | zhipeng: the reactive one can't be built until we also have the action-interface implemented. | 17:13 |
| thinrichs1 | Sounds like madhumohan is handling the modals. | 17:13 |
| zhipeng | ah okey | 17:13 |
| thinrichs1 | So we just need to find someone for the action-interface. | 17:13 |
| kitho_ | we could help on reactive enforcement as part of the murano integration work | 17:13 |
| thinrichs1 | Sarob: can we volunteer kishan? | 17:13 |
| sarob | thinrichs1 he signed on for it | 17:14 |
| kitho_ | for murano integration we will focus on the datasource/driver bp's first | 17:14 |
| sarob | thinrichs1: as per #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/par-kilo-congress-design-session | 17:15 |
| thinrichs1 | sarob: so then let's assume the actin-interface is done by M2. That gives us til M3 to put it all together with reactive-enforcement. | 17:15 |
| thinrichs1 | kitho_: makes sense to start with the murano datasource driver. | 17:15 |
| sarob | thinrichs1: roger that | 17:15 |
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| kitho_ | for murano integration we are still ramping up, design by kilo1 and early version by kilo2 | 17:15 |
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| thinrichs1 | kitho_: by murano integration, are we talking about code changes to Congress or code changes to Murano? | 17:16 |
| thinrichs1 | Or … what code changes to Congress are we talking about? | 17:16 |
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| thinrichs1 | I had (i) a murano datasource driver and (ii) multiple policies. | 17:16 |
| thinrichs1 | Is there anything else you think we need? | 17:16 |
| arosen | the integration on the murano side to consume congress for the proactive enforcement | 17:17 |
| kitho_ | we will need some integration work for policy binding on murano side - maybe more murano side change | 17:17 |
| thinrichs1 | kitho_: understood. Just wanted to double-check I wasn't missing a (known) pot of work somewhere. | 17:18 |
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| madhumohan | thinrichs: Anything on triggers ? Is someone working on it ? This is one of the 3 included for reactive enforcement BPs. | 17:18 |
| thinrichs1 | That was a fast and furious few minutes. Did I miss anything? | 17:18 |
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| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: zhipeng volunteered for triggers. | 17:18 |
| zhipeng | yep | 17:19 |
| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: are you also working on aggregates? | 17:19 |
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| thinrichs1 | llu_laptop: have you signed up for any blueprints? | 17:22 |
| thinrichs1 | Or would you like to? | 17:22 |
| madhumohan | samta is working on aggregates and is almost done.. should have first patch in this week to support "count". | 17:22 |
| llu-laptop | maybe https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134417/ ? But i'm still learning the code now | 17:23 |
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| thinrichs1 | llu-laptop: we can find some starter projects if you'd rather begin there. | 17:23 |
| sarob | cloudtoad: you online? | 17:24 |
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| thinrichs1 | zhipeng: we should definitely go through a couple of rounds of design via the specs for the trigger blueprints. | 17:24 |
| thinrichs1 | We mainly just stubbed something in for the spec, expecting people to add comments to refine the design. | 17:25 |
| llu-laptop | thinrichs1: what's the starter projects? | 17:25 |
| thinrichs1 | I'd like to see some details about how that will work. | 17:25 |
| sarob | llu-laptop: perhaps work with straz on datalog-ng | 17:25 |
| thinrichs1 | sarob: I wouldn't call that a starter project. | 17:25 |
| zhipeng | ok, I will be working on it this week, hopefully have more details on the triggers | 17:25 |
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| sarob | thinrichs1: its out of the main stream of priorities | 17:26 |
| zhipeng | since we'll have to sync with opnfv proposals | 17:26 |
| thinrichs1 | llu-laptop: I don't have a list off the top of my head. But something like fixing up some of our logging. | 17:26 |
| thinrichs1 | Something that doesn't take tons of programming but let's you see a good chunk of the code and get into the process of committing. | 17:26 |
| arosen | llu-laptop: i have a few ideas on starter bugs. I'll create some launchpad bugs and tag them with low hanging fruit. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs1 | Same goes for everyone, actually. If you want a simple task or two to get your feet wet, drop me an email. | 17:27 |
| thinrichs1 | thinrichs@vmware.com | 17:27 |
| llu-laptop | arosen: great, i'll search for the low hanging fruit tags | 17:27 |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: great! Maybe email out to the ML once we've got a half dozen. | 17:27 |
| arosen | sounds good will do | 17:27 |
| kitho_ | is there a backlog list of simple tasks | 17:27 |
| arosen | kitho_: not currently written down but i'll work on that this afternoon. | 17:28 |
| llu-laptop | thinrichs1: yeah, I think we should use the publich ML as much as possbile | 17:28 |
| sarob | i can help get you going for your first patch as well or other startup issues | 17:28 |
| thinrichs1 | llu-laptop: good reminder to use the ML. | 17:29 |
| jwy | what is the ML? | 17:29 |
| thinrichs1 | openstack-dev Mailing List. | 17:29 |
| arosen | we all generally idle in #congress as well so if you get stuck there that's a great place to live chat. | 17:29 |
| sarob | openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org with subject starting with [congress] | 17:29 |
| jwy | ah ok | 17:30 |
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| thinrichs1 | jwy: I think you've signed up for the horizon-create-policies blueprint. | 17:30 |
| jwy | i did | 17:30 |
| thinrichs1 | Which milestone should we assign that to? | 17:30 |
| thinrichs1 | Dec 18, Feb 5, Mar 19 | 17:30 |
| jwy | thinrichs1: feb is probably doable | 17:31 |
| thinrichs1 | Okay—I'll sign you up for kilo2. | 17:31 |
| thinrichs1 | kitho_: are you signed up for the murano datasource driver? | 17:33 |
| thinrichs1 | (Trying to match up IRC handles with names/emails.) | 17:33 |
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| kitho_ | yes kitho == kishan thomas | 17:33 |
| thinrichs1 | Got it! | 17:34 |
| thinrichs1 | Which milestone should we assign that? | 17:34 |
| thinrichs1 | I realize you're probably going to do a starter project or 2 first. | 17:34 |
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| thinrichs1 | Dec 18, Feb 5, Mar 19 | 17:35 |
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| kitho_ | murano data source will be kilo2 | 17:36 |
| thinrichs1 | Thanks. | 17:36 |
| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: Trying again. Are you still planning to work on the datalog aggregates? | 17:36 |
| thinrichs1 | Maybe he's stepped out for a few minutes. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs1 | Okay—I think that's all the milestones we need. | 17:38 |
| thinrichs1 | Did anyone here sign up for a blueprint but not choose a milestone? | 17:39 |
| madhumohan | thinrichs: Samta from my team has been working on aggregates. We should have the patch up for review this week | 17:39 |
| zhipeng | thinrichs1 just to double check, trigger is kilo 2 right? | 17:39 |
| thinrichs1 | madhumohan: so do we think Dec 18 is doable? | 17:39 |
| thinrichs1 | zhipeng: yep | 17:39 |
| zhipeng | great | 17:39 |
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| thinrichs1 | And of course if things change, let me know. It's better to know we're going to miss a deadline than not know and miss it anyway. | 17:40 |
| madhumohan | thinrichs: first cut version with support for end of statement aggregate is doable... | 17:41 |
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| thinrichs1 | Let's put it down for Dec 18, and if we miss it, we miss it. | 17:41 |
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| thinrichs1 | Anyone else with a blueprint/milestone to discuss? | 17:41 |
| thinrichs1 | (Hopefully next cycle we'll be doing this at the summit.) | 17:42 |
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| llu-laptop | I saw on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/par-kilo-congress-design-session, there is an item Granular/trigger-based datasource driver for ceilometer, | 17:42 |
| llu-laptop | just wonder what's the details requirements of that? | 17:42 |
| thinrichs1 | And just another reminder: please refine the design of your blueprints by leaving comments in Gerrit and/or submitting changes to the spec via Gerrit. | 17:43 |
| thinrichs1 | llu-laptop: I'm dubious we have the bandwidth for that this cycle. | 17:43 |
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| thinrichs1 | But the idea was to have the ceilometer driver only pull the data it needs based on the current policy in place. | 17:43 |
| llu-laptop | ok | 17:44 |
| thinrichs1 | So if the policy required 'cpu-util' then the driver would only pull data for that metric, instead of data for all metrics. | 17:44 |
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| sarob | llu-laptop: it was spun out from the policy mid-cycle summit if member right #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/juno-midcycle-policy-summit | 17:44 |
| thinrichs1 | If we don't have a blueprint for that we should. | 17:44 |
| thinrichs1 | It's actually pretty important for properly integrating something with lots of data like Ceilometer. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | Okay. 15 minutes left. Let's try to get through some status updates. | 17:45 |
| thinrichs1 | #topic status | 17:45 |
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| thinrichs1 | Who has made some substantial changes that we all need to know about? | 17:45 |
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| thinrichs1 | I've been debugging Congress running in our cloud (sort of at scale). | 17:46 |
| thinrichs1 | There are a couple of bug fixes that are important. | 17:46 |
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| arosen | thinrichs1: nice | 17:47 |
| arosen | i wouldn't say substantial but we not how a ci job up that is leveraging nodepool with disk-image-building. This seems to have reduced the CI time by ~8min or so. | 17:47 |
| thinrichs1 | There's an old bug with datasource race conditions that was fixed, then reappeared, and is fixed again. | 17:47 |
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| thinrichs1 | There was a bug with column-references that is fixed now. | 17:48 |
| thinrichs1 | And there was a pretty serious bug with the recent logging changes that basically stopped the server from running with loglevel DEBUG. | 17:48 |
| sarob | arosen: 8min is a pretty big deal | 17:48 |
| thinrichs1 | Looking to see if all those have been merged yet. | 17:48 |
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| arosen | thinrichs1: i had a question on your race condition bug that was a regression but we can follow up on the review if you prefer | 17:49 |
| thinrichs1 | Looks like just the race condition bug hasn't been merged. | 17:49 |
| thinrichs1 | This happens just about every time in our cloud, so if you see errors about the client not existing, you need to cherry-pick this change (or wait til it gets merged). | 17:50 |
| thinrichs1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137529/ | 17:50 |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: is our cloud CI working? Seemed like I saw a lot of failures the other day. | 17:50 |
| thinrichs1 | Or were those legit failures? | 17:50 |
| thinrichs1 | arosen: let's follow up on gerrit | 17:51 |
| jasonsb | i actually don't understand that race | 17:51 |
| arosen | thinrichs1: this occurs in the ci runs too though it doesn't seem to cause the driver to stop working | 17:51 |
| jasonsb | someday :) | 17:51 |
| arosen | thinrichs1: i think the exception is just caught and passed in poll() so it doesn't really break anything but does show an error | 17:51 |
| thinrichs1 | jasonsb: have a status update? | 17:52 |
| jasonsb | not really | 17:52 |
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| thinrichs1 | arosen: right—except when you're only polling once an hour that first failure means that datasource is empty for an hour. Not good for debugging. | 17:52 |
| jasonsb | i'll send you an email on silisec | 17:52 |
| arosen | thinrichs1: ah good point ;) | 17:53 |
| thinrichs1 | jasonsb: that'd be great. We're getting more customer interest, so understanding the security benefits/drawbacks of Congress would be good. | 17:53 |
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| jasonsb | things are going slow :( | 17:53 |
| thinrichs1 | :( | 17:53 |
| jasonsb | still trying thoguh | 17:53 |
| thinrichs1 | Let us know if we can help! | 17:54 |
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| thinrichs1 | Any other status updates? | 17:54 |
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| alexsyip | Just debugging congress-server | 17:55 |
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| thinrichs1 | alexsyip: great! Operations-level testing/debugging is crucial. | 17:56 |
| thinrichs1 | We want those customer first-experiences to be good ones. | 17:56 |
| thinrichs1 | Okay—let's call it a few minutes early today. Next week we can all go through and do proper status updates. | 17:57 |
| thinrichs1 | Thanks all! | 17:57 |
| sarob | cheers! | 17:57 |
| arosen | later! | 17:57 |
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| thinrichs1 | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 2 17:57:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-12-02-17.01.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-12-02-17.01.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2014/congressteammeeting.2014-12-02-17.01.log.html | 17:57 |
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