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| mestery | amotoki armax: I don't see markmcclain or salv-orlando here for the neutron-drivers meeting, should we postpone this week then? | 15:30 |
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| armax | mestery: technically we have a quorum, but perhaps it’s best to postpone | 15:31 |
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| mestery | armax: Yeah, agreed, though I know marun wanted to discuss something. | 15:31 |
| marun | here | 15:31 |
| mestery | marun: markmcclain and salv-orlando are not here :( | 15:31 |
| amotoki | mestery: armax: agree too. | 15:31 |
| marun | :/ | 15:31 |
| mestery | Sorry marun, not sure where those guys are :( | 15:32 |
| mestery | We'll postpone unless they show up in the next 5-10 minutes I guess. | 15:32 |
| marun | ok | 15:32 |
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| amotoki | mestery: you just approved rpc versioning bp from russel. it is theoretically backward incomapt, but I agree the direction as we actually does not support true live upgrading. are we in the same page? | 15:38 |
| mestery | amotoki: Yes, and apologies if you wanted to review that first, but I wanted to get that one this week yet. | 15:39 |
| russellb | happy to discuss any concerns | 15:39 |
| russellb | but yeah, that was the crux of my position ... if live upgrades don't actually work, i don't see a need to do extra work on backwards compat | 15:39 |
| mestery | russellb: ++, I agreed and why I approved :) | 15:40 |
| amotoki | russellb: I don't see any actual concerns now. we have deadlock of versioning between the server and agent side now.... | 15:40 |
| russellb | the BPs i've been working on are many things in a path to get to live upgrades though :) | 15:40 |
| mestery | That's because you're awesome russellb. :) | 15:40 |
| russellb | <3 | 15:40 |
| amotoki | so i believe it is the right direction we move forward. | 15:40 |
| russellb | amotoki: ok thanks! | 15:40 |
| russellb | maybe we should start a doc to lay out the path to live upgrades | 15:41 |
| russellb | not really a spec | 15:41 |
| mestery | russellb: ++ to that, that woudl be awesome | 15:41 |
| russellb | just a document of the known issues and high level efforts that have to happen to get there | 15:41 |
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| russellb | i'll write a note ... that's not something i'll have the energy for pre-holiday :) | 15:41 |
| mestery | russellb: Are you done for the year this week? | 15:42 |
| mestery | russellb: I'll be around off and on the next 2 weeks. | 15:42 |
| mestery | Mostly on, swithcing jobs means less vacation this year :( | 15:42 |
| russellb | i'm around this week, and first 2 days of next week in theory | 15:42 |
| russellb | really tempting to cut those days too though | 15:42 |
| mestery | ;) | 15:42 |
| russellb | ah yes :( | 15:42 |
| russellb | yeah, i took a *huge* vacation cut when i changed jobs last | 15:42 |
| mestery | Same here, it's awful but I guess it's part of the game. :( | 15:43 |
| russellb | i think i had gotten up to getting like 8 weeks a year | 15:43 |
| russellb | it was insane | 15:43 |
| mestery | Oh wow! | 15:43 |
| russellb | i'll never get that again | 15:43 |
| mestery | 8 weeks?!?!?! | 15:43 |
| mestery | No kidding. | 15:43 |
| russellb | IKR! | 15:43 |
| mestery | That's crazy | 15:43 |
| dougwig | Wow | 15:43 |
| russellb | i couldn't even use it all | 15:43 |
| amotoki | russellb: really? woo | 15:43 |
| mestery | 8 weeks would be AWESOME. | 15:43 |
| russellb | anyway, days of past. | 15:43 |
| mestery | yeah | 15:43 |
| russellb | maybe i don't remember right :) | 15:44 |
| russellb | maybe it was "only" 6 | 15:45 |
| russellb | anyway. | 15:45 |
| russellb | holiday is near. | 15:45 |
| russellb | and i'm totally OK with that. | 15:45 |
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| mestery | lol | 15:46 |
| mestery | Well, we were supposed to have a neutron-drivers meeting now, but we're 2 drivers down, so I guess it's postponed ;) | 15:46 |
| mestery | Besides, this is like water cooler talk anyways, those of us working from home need this from time to time ;) | 15:46 |
| russellb | i absolutely do | 15:47 |
| -amotoki- can go to bed in time :-) | 15:47 | |
| russellb | i usually hang out in a few "social" channels for that reason | 15:47 |
| russellb | and sometimes set up a google hangout as a virtual office | 15:47 |
| mestery | Any specific ones? | 15:47 |
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| mestery | amotoki: Good night, talk to you later! | 15:47 |
| russellb | amotoki: good night! | 15:48 |
| amotoki | good night. thanks | 15:48 |
| russellb | on hangouts, we usually just all mute ourselves | 15:48 |
| dougwig | That sounds kinda creepy. :) | 15:48 |
| russellb | haha | 15:48 |
| russellb | yeah, it kinda is | 15:48 |
| russellb | but it's like you're sitting around in a room with other people working | 15:49 |
| russellb | not so lonely :-p | 15:49 |
| russellb | to each their own to find workplace sanity, i say | 15:49 |
| pc_m | Since you guys are doing water cooler chat... Can you look at 141932, which is improvement (?) to UT in VPN repo. Will do to FW and LB if this is desired. | 15:49 |
| mestery | pc_m: Pulling us back to work, brutal! ;) | 15:50 |
| pc_m | I'm all about business :) | 15:50 |
| dougwig | just let us know if you start hauling around some object calling it your precious. | 15:50 |
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| pc_m | :) | 15:50 |
| russellb | lol | 15:50 |
| mestery | rofl | 15:51 |
| russellb | if you do that, i'm not sure i want to know | 15:51 |
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| * pc_m gee it got quiet... | 15:52 | |
| dougwig | pc_m: 932 is failing jenkins | 15:52 |
| * pc_m :) | 15:52 | |
| russellb | pc_m: that work talk scared everyone off | 15:52 |
| russellb | (or guilted people back into doing real work) | 15:52 |
| dougwig | looks like it might be yesterday's grenade fiasco. | 15:53 |
| pc_m | It did, because of recent grenade issue. I resubmitted and it has passed all tests (still in queue though) | 15:53 |
| dougwig | i'd like it in LB, if you have time. | 15:53 |
| pc_m | This change prevents us from adding override_nvalue() calls in UTs that use the policy stuff. | 15:53 |
| pc_m | dougwig: Sure, I can do that. Just want to make sure this gets through tests and everyone is cool with the change (hence the request) | 15:54 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 17:00:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| bauzas | my bell ringed :) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| alaski | bauzas: :) | 17:00 |
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| alaski | Hi | 17:00 |
| gilliard | Hello :) | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Cells manifesto | 17:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Cells manifesto (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139191/ | 17:01 |
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| alaski | I just updated that based on some good feedback | 17:01 |
| bauzas | alaski: eh :) | 17:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:01 |
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| alaski | more feedback is appreciated as always, but I think it's looking pretty good | 17:01 |
| dansmith | I'll try to hit that here in a bit | 17:02 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | me too, interested in reviewing that | 17:02 |
| bauzas | alaski: the change looks pretty small | 17:02 |
| bauzas | alaski: so if you agree to add more mentions to the networking stuff later, I'm +1 with it | 17:03 |
| alaski | bauzas: great | 17:03 |
| bauzas | alaski: because I was thinking it was necessary to also discuss what would be the standard way for networks in cells | 17:03 |
| alaski | I agree. But I don't have anything together for that right now | 17:04 |
| bauzas | right | 17:04 |
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| alaski | but it's open for proposals | 17:04 |
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| bauzas | so, let's move on, and discuss on it later on | 17:04 |
| alaski | +1 | 17:04 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:04 | |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: I think we should go all in on neutron, assuming nova-network is dead by then, but lets move on | 17:04 |
| alaski | same stuff at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing | 17:04 |
| alaski | newest failures at the bottom | 17:05 |
| alaski | I tackled the test_host_negative tests and have a review up, which needs some unit tests | 17:05 |
| alaski | but there are plenty more to look at | 17:05 |
| dansmith | alaski: should we queue up a patch to remove the flavor query from the libvirt driver on top of my flavor patch to see if cells is happy with it? | 17:06 |
| bauzas | alaski: could you please provide the devstack logs also ? | 17:06 |
| alaski | dansmith: yeah, that would be a great test | 17:06 |
| bauzas | alaski: because if not, it needs to run a cells devstack | 17:06 |
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| alaski | bauzas: I can include a link to the job I pulled the failures from | 17:07 |
| bauzas | nevermind, I'm bad at reading | 17:07 |
| alaski | and a 'check experimental' can run the tests for logs as well | 17:07 |
| bauzas | agreed | 17:07 |
| melwitt | dansmith: I thought garyk had a patch up to do something like that -- pass the flavor to driver instead of driver lookup? | 17:07 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141905/ seems to be right change to look at | 17:08 |
| mriedem | melwitt: i think those are short-term | 17:08 |
| melwitt | Okay | 17:08 |
| dansmith | melwitt: different anyway I think | 17:08 |
| alaski | bauzas: yes, that's a good one | 17:08 |
| dansmith | melwitt: but I'll look | 17:08 |
| alaski | melwitt: that change merged | 17:08 |
| melwitt | oh, sorry | 17:08 |
| alaski | that's what brought the test failures as low as they are | 17:08 |
| dansmith | alaski: link? | 17:08 |
| alaski | dansmith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135285/ | 17:09 |
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| dansmith | I see | 17:09 |
| alaski | dansmith: so that's actually what should be removed | 17:09 |
| dansmith | so, | 17:09 |
| dansmith | doesn't this undo things? | 17:10 |
| dansmith | meaning, I'd think it causes a bunch of the driver to look at potentially different flavor bits | 17:10 |
| dansmith | instead of just the extra_specs bit | 17:10 |
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| alaski | I'd have to look at the proceeding patch again, but I think the passed in flavor should match what would have been queried in the driver | 17:11 |
| dansmith | okay | 17:11 |
| dansmith | maybe the driver was already being too aggressive there actually | 17:11 |
| dansmith | anyway, that's fine, sorry for the distraction | 17:11 |
| alaski | it probably was | 17:12 |
| alaski | no worries | 17:12 |
| alaski | anything else on testing? | 17:12 |
| alaski | #topic Table analysis | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Table analysis (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:12 | |
| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-table-analysis | 17:12 |
| alaski | Unless there are objections I think we should move the uncontroversial tables into the devref for now | 17:13 |
| alaski | as a follow on to the cells page started with the manifesto | 17:13 |
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| dansmith | sounds like a good incremental step | 17:14 |
| alaski | cool | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah +1 on that | 17:14 |
| bauzas | alaski: I vote for a conservative way of explaining this using lots of conditionals : "it should", "we may" etc. :D | 17:14 |
| alaski | that will give some concrete examples to reference while discussing things or writing specs | 17:14 |
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| alaski | bauzas: sure. There can be a disclaimer that this is the current breakdown, but nothing is final until it's coded, and not even then | 17:15 |
| bauzas | alaski: I like this :) | 17:15 |
| alaski | anyone want to make make the devref review? | 17:16 |
| alaski | okay, I'll add it as a followup to the manifesto review | 17:17 |
| alaski | #topic Cells scheduling | 17:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cells scheduling (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:17 | |
| alaski | The big topic for today | 17:17 |
| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141486/ | 17:17 |
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| alaski | there's a lot of stuff in there | 17:18 |
| dansmith | I haven't looked at this yet, but I will after the meeting | 17:18 |
| * dansmith sucks | 17:18 | |
| bauzas | \o/ | 17:19 |
| alaski | I made a proposal to start the discussion, but am not necessarily advocating what's currently up | 17:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah, I think the discussion is very large | 17:19 |
| dansmith | the other thing we can do, | 17:19 |
| bauzas | alaski: see all our current discussions in the table analysis that are also related to the scheduler placement decision | 17:19 |
| dansmith | is expect that the current scheduling approach will apply to cells as if it was a single deployment, | 17:20 |
| bauzas | dansmith: +1000 | 17:20 |
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| dansmith | with the note that we can't do anything other than prove that the rest of the stuff works until we address the scale problem | 17:20 |
| bauzas | dansmith: I'm seeing the nova-scheduler code as something unique, but which can be deployed in many ways | 17:20 |
| dansmith | so, we can't dump cellsv1 until the scheduler scales, but at least we're able to move forward on the rest of the bits which are more structural | 17:20 |
| * dansmith wonders what johnthetubaguy thinks of that | 17:21 | |
| bauzas | dansmith: ie. if it's a scalability problem, then we can consider having a nova-scheduler for only cells picking and one nova-scheduler process per cell | 17:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I think thats what I was thinking too, if I understand you correctly | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, we need *something* to give us (cell, host, node), lets make that a single RPC call to the "scheduler" | 17:21 |
| bauzas | at the moment, the scheduler is unable to pick a cell, so I would propose to add a new RPC method for this | 17:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | what happens next, needs fixing before we drop v1 | 17:22 |
| dansmith | right, and then we can fix what is behind it | 17:22 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: yeah, agreed | 17:22 |
| dansmith | alaski: thoughts? | 17:22 |
| alaski | I'm okay with that approach | 17:23 |
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| bauzas | do we all agree to extend the current nova-scheduler ? | 17:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: I wonder if tasks could help your worries in the spec? | 17:23 |
| dansmith | bauzas: I don't agree to that | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: the global cell records the user request as a task | 17:24 |
| dansmith | bauzas: I agree to not hinge cellsv2 on the non-scaling scheduler problem :P | 17:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: once the scheduler is done, we create the instance record? | 17:24 |
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| alaski | what I like is the interface between the API and cells being flexible enough to handle a few scheduler deployment scenarios | 17:24 |
| alaski | and look at a single scheduler right now | 17:24 |
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| alaski | johnthetubaguy: tasks would help, yes | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: right, the above interface we describe could actually be a services that first quieres a cell, then uses that to pick the next scheduler to ask, then returns, etc | 17:25 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy: I proposed something that starts to look like a task in the spec | 17:25 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: do we consider to elect a cell first and then a host ? | 17:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: I should read further down, sorry! | 17:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: thats a good point though, the question is do we want a DB record by the time the API returns, or does the API return wait for the scheduler to finish | 17:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: I skipped over that before, and having a "task" recorded in the global DB fixes that a little | 17:26 |
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| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: gotta have something before the API returns I'd think, but we can just shove it into the mapping at that point, right? | 17:26 |
| alaski | We need to store a little more than the mapping can hold | 17:27 |
| dansmith | like what? | 17:27 |
| dansmith | more than just a uuid? | 17:27 |
| bauzas | alaski: you mean the spec ? | 17:27 |
| dansmith | I guess we have to look like we've recorded all the information they gave us... | 17:27 |
| alaski | bauzas: not the spec | 17:28 |
| alaski | dansmith: yes | 17:28 |
| alaski | we need to fulfill the current api contract if they show the instance right away | 17:28 |
| dansmith | yeah | 17:28 |
| bauzas | alaski: gilliard and I left a comment on why you're considering the whole story as async | 17:28 |
| dansmith | alaski: we could go ahead and add an instance json cache table :) | 17:28 |
| bauzas | alaski: that's still unclear for me | 17:29 |
| * johnthetubaguy shudders | 17:29 | |
| alaski | dansmith: heh, that would probably work | 17:29 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: are you shuddering at me? | 17:29 |
| alaski | I was thinking of storing it almost as a task | 17:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, its feels nasty, but its annoying because it works... | 17:29 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: I thought there was a goal of doing that anyway? | 17:30 |
| alaski | bauzas: because the API should be snappy, and waiting for the scheduler won't allow that | 17:30 |
| dansmith | johnthetubaguy: even for running instances | 17:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: yeah, we do need a cache eventually, thats true, I mean we might need to index on other things, but yeah | 17:30 |
| bauzas | alaski: but how are you sure that the contract you give back to the user is valid ? | 17:31 |
| bauzas | sorry guys, I know about the tasks proposal but I just want to make sure we all agree with the idea to return an uuid with a building state ? | 17:31 |
| bauzas | and then just provide to the user a fail status if not ? | 17:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: think about listing all your instances, etc, its more that bit I worry about | 17:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: hell yeah | 17:32 |
| alaski | dansmith: johnthetubaguy we need somewhere to store some info. task or instance cache should work now, we should probably get that on the review and debate/think on it there | 17:32 |
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| dansmith | yeah, I have a hard time thinking these things through without actually doing them, | 17:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | alaski: yeah, sounds like its hit all the major issues, I should just review the written detail | 17:32 |
| dansmith | 'cause I'm weak-minded | 17:33 |
| alaski | dansmith: hah, I find that hard to believe | 17:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | likewise. | 17:33 |
| alaski | bauzas: I don't think returning before scheduling changes the contract we have now, because we dont currently wait on scheduling | 17:33 |
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| bauzas | alaski: right | 17:34 |
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| alaski | so I'm not sure why we would start to wait on scheduling | 17:34 |
| bauzas | alaski: gotcha | 17:34 |
| alaski | anything else on scheduling for now? | 17:35 |
| dansmith | please no. | 17:35 |
| dansmith | :) | 17:36 |
| alaski | :) | 17:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 17:36 |
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| alaski | alright, please add thoughts to the review | 17:36 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:36 | |
| alaski | General announcement, the next meeting will be Jan 7th | 17:36 |
| alaski | anything else people would like to discuss? | 17:37 |
| alaski | going once... | 17:37 |
| dansmith | sold! | 17:38 |
| alaski | alright, early marks all around! | 17:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 17:38 |
| bauzas | awesome | 17:38 |
| dansmith | heh | 17:38 |
| gilliard | :) | 17:38 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 17:38:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2014/nova_cells.2014-12-17-17.00.html | 17:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2014/nova_cells.2014-12-17-17.00.txt | 17:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2014/nova_cells.2014-12-17-17.00.log.html | 17:38 |
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| alaski | thanks everyone! | 17:38 |
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| gilliard | thanks alaski | 17:39 |
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| glebo | SridharRamaswamy: u running the mtg? | 18:34 |
| SridarK | glebo: wrong Sridar | 18:34 |
| glebo | SridharRamaswamy: sorry, meant to send that to SK | 18:34 |
| glebo | SridarK: ja | 18:35 |
| SridarK | glebo: SumitNaiksatam is starting i thinks | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi folks | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:35 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 18:35:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:35 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:35 |
| glebo | SridarK: ah yes, just saw him join | 18:35 |
| Swami | hi | 18:35 |
| SridarK | hi all | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info metting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/FWaaS#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info Kilo-1 is 12/18 | 18:35 |
| badveli | hello all | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case you have any code in the pipeline | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic FWaaS code split and work items | 18:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS code split and work items (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 18:36 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: we need to revive this one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141127/ ? | 18:37 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i have one on the UT - have some issues - talked to pcm on this and may see what is happening | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i see a few other pending patches #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-fwaas+branch:master,n,z | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | will get to that | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone has any other items to discuss from the repo split? | 18:39 |
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| glebo | did we come up w/ a name yet? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: neutron-fwaas | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont believe we have the charter to choose a name here | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | would be cool though | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else on this? | 18:41 |
| glebo | sorry, for the post-split adv serv line | 18:41 |
| glebo | the line formerly known as positron | 18:41 |
| SridarK | glebo: :-) | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: there is no “adv service” project | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: three new repos have been created - fwaas, lbaas, vpnaas | 18:42 |
| glebo | ah. we ended up splitting it 3 ways after all. Ok then. | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | these, for now, only house the plugins and the drivers | 18:43 |
| glebo | ack | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: this is old news though ;-) | 18:43 |
| glebo | i'm old guy | 18:43 |
| glebo | so it fits | 18:43 |
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| glebo | =-D | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | currently we are following up on action items after the split so that the tests pass on the neutron-fwaas repo | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving one | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *on | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I dont see anything new in my filter | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, that brings up an important question - where would the bugs for neutron-fwaas be filed | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if this is still going to be in neutron | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont see a launchpad project yet | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #action SumitNaiksatam to check with mestery on where to file bugs for split repositories (neutron-fwaas) in this case | 18:46 |
| mestery | Neutron LP project SumitNaiksatam. | 18:46 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: ah ok, thanks for the quick answer | 18:46 |
| mestery | For Kilo, we'll keep them all together and reevaluate later. | 18:46 |
| mestery | Sure! :) | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: ok thanks | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: SridarK: any critical bug show up your radar | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ? | 18:47 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: nothing new | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: okay | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | then moving on | 18:47 |
| badveli | i am following uphttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1386543 | 18:47 |
| badveli | nothing new | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: by following up you mean, are there any new developments? | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah, you said nothing new | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok moving on | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Docs | 18:48 |
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| badveli | no there is another bug in security | 18:49 |
| badveli | similar bug | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | haven’t hear from Swami, so I think we are still in wait and watch mode | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: you mean #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1335375 ? | 18:49 |
| badveli | yes | 18:49 |
| badveli | nothing going on | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic FWaaS Specs | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so the first the vendor specs | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | since I believe all that were proposed were merged, right? | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | did anything get left out? | 18:51 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i guess not | 18:52 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes i believe so i think the intel one had a minor issue and should be in | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you mean that the L3 spec did not need to proposed? | 18:52 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the -> their | 18:52 |
| SridarK | yes related to that on the FW - Kyle had asked for the dependency to be removed | 18:53 |
| vishwanathj | They have now removed the dependency in their latest patch upload | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | got it, just +2’ed | 18:54 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that is the one | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: just +2’ed this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91286/ (so we have two +2s now) | 18:55 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Also +A'd :) | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks again! :-) | 18:56 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: Thank you as well :) | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so on to SridarK’s spec | 18:56 |
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| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138672/ | 18:57 |
| SridarK | more review comments - with issues on backward compat and upgrades | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks for diligently engaging with the reviewers and promptly providing responses | 18:57 |
| SridarK | no worries - good to get the shake out now | 18:57 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: wanted to bring this up here for discussion so we can close quickly | 18:58 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes sure | 18:58 |
| SridarK | I think the approach taken was that we have some wiggle room because we are experimental | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so lets take each pending point | 18:58 |
| SridarK | But will be good to thrash it out | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: regarding the default insertion semantics | 18:59 |
| SridarK | at least as i see it - there are possibly 3 approaches | 18:59 |
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| SridarK | Option 1: as in the current proposal: we don't worry about backward compat | 19:00 |
| SridarK | If there is not enough deployment and being experimental - we make the change and don’t address backward compatibility or upgrade. Behavior on upgrade Firewall logical resource will be created - but will not be installed on any Router. The Firewall will be in PENDING_CREATE. An update on the Firewall with a Router - will drive it to ACTIVE. Upgrade/migration is a problem, going from 1 Firewall on all Routers —> 1 Fi | 19:00 |
| SridarK | This the approach taken on the spec | 19:00 |
| SridarK | some valid points raised on making sure that we want to do this and if we to make sure messaging is very clear | 19:01 |
| SridarK | Option 2: If a Router is specified on the create - it will only be installed on that specific Router. If no Routers are specified on the API - we default to current behavior - the Firewall will be inserted on all Routers on the tenant. Updates to now go to a single router will be a bit tricky. And if we are in the current model (default) when new Routers are added to the tenant - they will need to be tracked and the Fi | 19:01 |
| SridarK | This is kind of a hybrid | 19:02 |
| SridarK | i fear some complexity here and i think we want to get away from the all routers model | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: so “And if we are in the current model (default) when new Routers are added to the tenant - they will need to be tracked”... | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: is something we are already doing, right? | 19:03 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that is one part of the complexity - we will need to do that | 19:03 |
| badveli | we get a trigger | 19:03 |
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| SridarK | and when routers are added to the tenant - we will need to add them to be tracked | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i meant to say that we are already doing this today, so it wont be a new implementation | 19:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: for this part | 19:04 |
| SridarK | ofcourse today we do not track this | 19:04 |
| SridarK | yes | 19:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh we dont? | 19:04 |
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| SridarK | well the db does not track the routers today | 19:05 |
| SridarK | one of the issues we want to fix | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ah ok, but we apply the firewall to any new router that gets added | 19:05 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 19:05 |
| badveli | sridark we get a trigger | 19:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if we had to implement option 2, we would need an internal state to keep track if the firewal was in default insertion mode or not | 19:05 |
| SridarK | that is for the agent | 19:06 |
| SridarK | badveli: that is for the agent | 19:06 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: exactly - we kind of keep the old semantics and the new one as parallel implementations | 19:06 |
| badveli | yes what i am trying to say is we can add to the db | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: if it was in default mode, then we would need to take the code path as of today | 19:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: yes, i was going there | 19:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: ok whats option 3? | 19:07 |
| SridarK | a bit complex but we can do that if we can't use our "experimental" card | 19:07 |
| SridarK | ok let me get there, | 19:07 |
| badveli | sridark initially i was saying this specifying a router | 19:07 |
| SridarK | Option 3: Posted by Cedric in the review - why not multiple Routers ? This is similar to the previous Service Insertion proposal in Juno. We can handle migration by putting it on all Routers. | 19:07 |
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| SridarK | badveli: yes we can will need to trigger that from the agent msging | 19:07 |
| SridarK | this will solve the migration problem as addressed in the Juno spec | 19:08 |
| badveli | sridar, as i was saying we should make the router as an optional so that we do not have much complexity and fulfills what we need | 19:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: it is already optional | 19:09 |
| SridarK | badveli: yes it is optional | 19:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: seems like option 3 can be reach either via option 1 or 2 | 19:09 |
| badveli | the previous time we had the meeting i was saying this as i was worried about the upgradation/downgrade part | 19:09 |
| SridarK | badveli: the point of this exercise was also to get specific on the router to insert and not on all routers | 19:10 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: i mean as a process of evolution from option 1 (since that has only insetion for one router) | 19:10 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: yes that is correct | 19:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: but option 3 is more readily reached from option 2, since option 2 already supports on multiple routers (all in that case) | 19:11 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: the point raised by Cedric was that Option 3 gives us a migration pathg | 19:11 |
| SridarK | *path | 19:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: migration path to what? | 19:11 |
| SridarK | current model: 1 FW - All routers ----> new model 1 FW but put on all routers (but tracked) | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe Cedric is zzele? | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: the migration path | 19:12 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: i am not sure | 19:12 |
| glebo | seems to me that option 2's default if no router specified is "all routers" whereas option 1's default if no router specified is "no routers" | 19:12 |
| SridarK | glebo: yes correct | 19:12 |
| glebo | I think we need to pick one of those as a base | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: that is corect | 19:12 |
| glebo | then 3 is the "add on" behavior | 19:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: yes, it boils down to that | 19:12 |
| SridarK | yes, in option 1 we can specify only 1 router | 19:13 |
| glebo | I like 3 with default to "no routers" | 19:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: yes, but 3 is easier to achieve through option 2 (because we would have already implemented some of it) | 19:13 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: less interested in what's "easy", more interested in what meets customer environment | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: completely agree | 19:14 |
| SridarK | glebo: yes definitely | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: do you have customer feedback on this? | 19:14 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: (but not to undervalue time to implement) | 19:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: since no one chimed on the spec, i took it at that there isnt particular customer preference on this | 19:14 |
| SridarK | glebo: the point is more on the migration and backward compat aspects - if it is experimental can we look for a simpler model | 19:14 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: well… really I don't see customers much wanting to even deploy on routers, i.e. at L3, to be honest | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: good point | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: that opens a different can of worms! ;-) | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: very much in agreement though | 19:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok back to SridarK’s points | 19:15 |
| SridarK | glebo: pls :-) | 19:15 |
| glebo | customers mostly want to insert "invisibly" at L2 on the OVS | 19:15 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: it does. | 19:16 |
| SridarK | glebo: lets solve this problem first | 19:16 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: so let me answer a different question: | 19:16 |
| glebo | Q: do customers care much about the default behavior? | 19:16 |
| glebo | wrt L3 insertion, that is… | 19:16 |
| glebo | … yes, I think they do. | 19:16 |
| SridarK | glebo: it is also with regard to backward compat | 19:17 |
| Swami | SumitNaiksatam: I saw -2 on the FwaaS east-west spec are you aware about it. | 19:17 |
| glebo | They don't want us default adding FW services all over the place, on every L3 instance. They would prefer to build up, rather than filter down, as I see it | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: SridarK: its also with regards to addressing reviewers here, without which we cannot make progress! ;-) | 19:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Swami: yes | 19:17 |
| SridarK | glebo: yes that indeed is the point that we want to be specific rather than all over the place | 19:18 |
| glebo | it's experimental today. Very little use in real world (if any?) | 19:18 |
| glebo | I'm not sure we have any bakward to break. | 19:18 |
| glebo | see my point? | 19:18 |
| SridarK | glebo: can we break existing deployment if any ? | 19:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: so yes, that would justify the motivation for option 1 with a patch to moving to option 3 | 19:18 |
| SridarK | is the question | 19:18 |
| glebo | let's get the architecture right for the customer, and do it now, when people have other things to fix and update anyway, before we start getting real deployment | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: but people have raised the concern about backward compat on the reviews so we need a good answer | 19:19 |
| SridarK | mestery: could i pls trouble u to jump in as well regarding the backward compat issues | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: it will be helpful if you bring your points to the gerrit spec as well | 19:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: in response to some of the reviewers comments | 19:19 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: are those reviewers aware of the sample size N of deployments, where N <= 2? | 19:20 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: ack on review in gerrit. | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: in fact that question asked back to the author! | 19:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please comment on the reviews | 19:20 |
| SridarK | glebo: it is good to thrash these out now so it is well communicated to any deployers | 19:20 |
| SridarK | glebo: i think that is one of the points raised in the review | 19:21 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: in that effort, do any of you have deployers? | 19:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so if i have to summarize, the team here thinks that Option 1 with a path to moving to Option 3 is preferred? | 19:21 |
| glebo | We had PoC's in progress, but no deployers. Others? It would be good to validate my sense of the un-deployed nature of FWaaS today | 19:21 |
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| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: yes, and we feel that because N is very low, if any | 19:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: yes | 19:22 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: glebo: I think that is the assumption we went with | 19:22 |
| glebo | can others pipe up now if you have customers deployed that would be wrenched by this change of behavior. | 19:23 |
| * glebo listening? | 19:23 | |
| SridarK | glebo: as a vendor - i do not see an issue | 19:23 |
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| SridarK | glebo: i heard from brocade that it was fine for them | 19:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | time check - we have 5 mins | 19:24 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: based on this sounding, can we let the minutes reflect that the vendors are fine w/ letting go the backward compaitbilty requirement due to insignificant number of deployments? | 19:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: absolutely | 19:25 |
| SridarK | glebo: pls do comment on the spec if possible | 19:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that said some of the reviewers engaged on the spec review are not here | 19:25 |
| glebo | SridarK: will do, but I want to be able to point to a minute entry to back up my assertion of low N | 19:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | and it can be argued that such consensus should be reflected on the gerrit spec | 19:25 |
| SridarK | i will reach out to mastery: and other reviewers on the spec to make sure that they are okay | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so please comment on the spec, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138672 | 19:26 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: can you do that irc voodoo to make that point a minuted item? | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: thanks much for your persistence and effort on this | 19:26 |
| SridarK | SumitNaiksatam: no worries | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: good point | 19:26 |
| badveli | sumit do any deployer raise fwaas bugs? | 19:26 |
| glebo | ack, well done SridarK | 19:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agree the fwaas team (with their vendor hats) think that breaking current backward compat is not an issue | 19:26 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: that way I can point to it easily in my review | 19:27 |
| badveli | my point is based on that can we have any idea of the deployments | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #agreed the fwaas team (with their vendor hats) think that breaking current backward compat is not an issue | 19:27 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: thx, m8 | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: ;-) | 19:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above is in context of those who are present here | 19:28 |
| SridarK | ok so i will go back to spec and state this | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there might be others who are outside this meeting and might have a different opinion based on their deployments | 19:28 |
| badveli | yes | 19:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: do you have enough agreement here to wrap up the spec? | 19:29 |
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| SridarL | *sorry got bounced and my typing is horrible now i have a new name | 19:30 |
| * SumitNaiksatam thinks SridarK has figured out a way to clone! | 19:30 | |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: sure, always might be others. Did you have particular vendor in mind? | 19:30 |
| * SumitNaiksatam expect at least 26 Sridars now! great for the fwaas team! ;-P | 19:30 | |
| SridarL | :-) | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: perhaps those who have commented on the reviews | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: will have to check their affiliations ;-P | 19:31 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: k | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok we got wrap here folks | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | SridarK: hope this was helpful | 19:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for your input and participation | 19:32 |
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| badveli | no service spec | 19:32 |
| SridarL | yes certainly - i will await response from reviewers | 19:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | lets keep it going on the gerrit specs and the mailers | 19:32 |
| badveli | sumit quickly wanted to check what should we do? | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | badveli: i think you are doing all the right things | 19:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not sure what else can be done | 19:32 |
| badveli | thanks sumit | 19:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will end the meeting here, we can continue the discussion on #openstack-fwaas | 19:33 |
| glebo | mestery: ideas for badveli and I on the service spec? | 19:33 |
| glebo | no reviews as of yet | 19:33 |
| glebo | 4 th round trying to get this into a release | 19:33 |
| badveli | i have the code ready | 19:34 |
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| glebo | mestery: there? | 19:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: wait some more? | 19:36 |
| glebo | when the services spec got bounced from Juno, | 19:36 |
| badveli | thanks glebo, i think no response | 19:36 |
| glebo | badveli and I asked PTL and upward why. the | 19:36 |
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| glebo | answer was that we didn't get the "right" reviewers to review, even though the written process was followed to a "T", so | 19:37 |
| glebo | we asked which reviewers specifically were missing, | 19:37 |
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| glebo | the answer was someone representing API and someone from security | 19:37 |
| glebo | so we asked, who specifically | 19:37 |
| glebo | and we were told, "we'll identify them in kilo" | 19:38 |
| glebo | and we've asked in 4 emails, with no response, | 19:38 |
| glebo | so not sure how to proceed. | 19:38 |
| glebo | SumitNaiksatam: guidance? | 19:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: i have reviewed the spec in the past, and have +2’ed as well | 19:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: however the +2 was overriden | 19:39 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | glebo: at this point i believe we have exhausted most available optiopns | 19:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | since the neutron drivers team is deciding which specs to approve or not, its difficult to discuss here | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are 10 mins over | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so i will close the meeting | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all and by | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:40 |
| glebo | ack | 19:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 19:41:02 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-12-17-18.35.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-12-17-18.35.txt | 19:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2014/networking_fwaas.2014-12-17-18.35.log.html | 19:41 |
| badveli | thanks all | 19:41 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 20:01:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| rhagarty | hello | 20:01 |
| gary-smith | hi | 20:01 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:01 |
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| gugl | hi | 20:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:01 |
| matt-borland | hola | 20:01 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 20:02 |
| mrunge | *\o/* | 20:02 |
| sqchen | Hi | 20:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sorry. g'day | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | Evening | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | Hello everyone | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | We are in the final hours of Kilo-1 | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | Let's take a quick look | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-1 | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | two items left after I bumped a couple to kilo-2 | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104063/ | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | has been around since Juno | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | but we didn't have time to get that in | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | the other | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110888/ | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | I found languishing in the review queue when I was going to purge old patches, seemed useful and needed a little straightening | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | any way if the first made it, that would be nice, but if it doesn't start merging soon, I'll push to k-2 | 20:07 |
| TravT | david-lyle: do you know if anything is wrong with zull. | 20:07 |
| TravT | zuul | 20:07 |
| ericpeterson | we only have an hr or so here | 20:07 |
| mattfarina | ha | 20:08 |
| ericpeterson | <rimshot/> | 20:08 |
| TravT | it doesn't seem to be picking up that patch for testing. | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | well the queues are quite deep | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | 129 in check and 45 in gate | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yay rush | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | so I'm going to just push the other two to k-2 and pass on the SHA on master for k-1 | 20:09 |
| gugl | TravT, I have a cinderclient build...it finished...but doesn't seem to get out of the queue.. | 20:09 |
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| david-lyle | tomorrow would be a great day to have the metadata admin functionality added to Horizon | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | that seems like the soonest | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | any way | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/kilo-2 is quite large | 20:10 |
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| TravT | david-lyle: | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | like all milestones some of that will likely slip as well | 20:11 |
| TravT | now I see it. | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | TravT: | 20:11 |
| TravT | lol | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:11 |
| TravT | took forever for zuul browser page to load | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | anyway milestones, yay | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | the agenda for today can be found at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | #topic packaging Thunderdome | 20:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packaging Thunderdome (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:12 | |
| david-lyle | fight | 20:12 |
| mrunge | uhm, rdopieralski is on pto for the rest of the year. | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so I thought that we had pretty much reached a point where we could discuss a concrete plan; zigo is still a little nervous but I attribute that to unfamiliarity with bower | 20:13 |
| mrunge | so, maybe we should defer this to next year? | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm not likely to be able to do anything until next year anyway | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so yeah, I guess so. Thunderdome postponed I suppose (the crowd *will be disappointed*) | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | booo | 20:14 |
| * david-lyle throws rotten fruit | 20:14 | |
| mrunge | and btw. there shouldn't be a reason to add another package manager.... | 20:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but I think there's solid support from everyone else? :) | 20:14 |
| mrunge | I guess, we're still not convinced | 20:15 |
| mattfarina | r1chardj0n3s is there any pre-reading for the Tunderdome we can do? | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | I think we really need to schedule something with the appropriate parties outside of the Horizon meeting and hash it out | 20:15 |
| TravT | we need to get something resolved, because we need some new packages for angular development | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: that makes sense | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | mattfarina: just a small email thread | 20:15 |
| ericpeterson | will there be a fight in said meeting? | 20:15 |
| mattfarina | david-lyle i'll finish it some day... maybe | 20:15 |
| mrunge | A fight can only take place, when folks are physically at the same place | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mattfarina: yeah, that thread that hit a measly 120 messages ;) | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | alright, let's table that until we have a quorum | 20:16 |
| mrunge | deferred till Vancouver then? | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 20:16 |
| TravT | mattfarina: i read it. i recommend bringing something to gouge your eyes out halfway through. | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | Hmmm... my email filters are failing me. | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | mrunge: gods no, we should be able to figure it out without postponing *months* | 20:16 |
| mattfarina | TravT I didn't finish it because i got more than halfway though | 20:17 |
| mrunge | r1chardj0n3s, I agree! | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050093.html | 20:18 |
| TravT | in the meantime, if we can get xstatic for newer angular pieces through. we need them for launch instance. | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | may be the email that killed hope | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | #topic REST API: should we be rewriting property names? | 20:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "REST API: should we be rewriting property names? (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:19 | |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Thankyou. Going to have to alter my mail filters -.- | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | vague and mysterious a good title | 20:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | unfortunately, tqtran isn't here to defend the practise he proposed of rewriting the property names :/ | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | can you provide a point of reference? | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so the current keystone REST API for the angular work rewrites "project" to be "project_id" for example | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | some of us have been happily sleeping | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but that turns out to be fraught, very very fraught | 20:20 |
| ericpeterson | seems like a bad idea to change the names | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | why would we do that | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 20:20 |
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| robcresswell | haha, I think that reaction is your answer to this topic... | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | right :) | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | that's like refactoring all the horizon code in a private branch to make it prettier | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'll PM tqtran directll to nut it out with him | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | then trying to merge regularly with master | 20:21 |
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| TravT | r1chardj0n3s: how's this compare to the more passthrough approach I put into the glance rest api? | 20:21 |
| * TravT still needs to revise it a bit further. | 20:22 | |
| david-lyle | yeah, let's avoid renames | 20:22 |
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| robcresswell | +1 | 20:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | TravT: basically we end up with what you've written :) | 20:22 |
| TravT | ok. i only have to do a tiny bit of massage on it because of v1 glanceclient | 20:22 |
| TravT | if we move to v2 glanceclient, i can drop even more | 20:23 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | a clear example of the rewriting is right at the bottom of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139532/15/openstack_dashboard/api/rest/keystone.py,cm - project/project_id | 20:23 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | anyway, gonna kill it off | 20:24 |
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| robcresswell | I 'd be curious to hear tqtran's thoughts behind it, he was defending it? My immediate reaction would be to stop doing it, though. | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it was his idea ;) | 20:25 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I think it mostly came out of the front-end work | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and the confusion around things that are ids not being clearly labelled as such in the API | 20:26 |
| TravT | r1chardj0n3s: I think we should try to go for as much passthrough as possible. | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | are we expecting that we'd be passing objects? | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | TravT: agreed | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | what's the other choice than id | 20:27 |
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| david-lyle | name, which is not unique | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: the ids inside objects are not labelled whatever_id | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and those objects are passed around, yes | 20:27 |
| TravT | also, if he refactored the calls to the api into a service that is injected into the controller, then he could make the function params in the service say "project_id" | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | as parameters? | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (*json* objects that is) | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | ok, need to catch up non k-1 reviews | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | #topic REST API: Death by a million dependencies. | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "REST API: Death by a million dependencies. (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:28 | |
| TravT | that one is mine | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | there's enough pain dealing it the is-it-a-project-or-tenant mess without also dealing with is-it-project-or-project_id | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | brb, sorry | 20:29 |
| TravT | on behalf of tqtran, r1chardj0n3s, other | 20:29 |
| TravT | re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136676/40 | 20:29 |
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| TravT | that is a decorator richard wrote that we're using in a few places. we're all really wishing we could get a base version landed | 20:30 |
| TravT | and then iterate on it | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | . | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | +1 | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | I agree we need to start landing some the dependencies | 20:32 |
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| david-lyle | did tihomir ever continue the conversation on the ML to reviews? | 20:33 |
| TravT | no. he hasn't added to the specific reviews, but some of the property re-writing / passthrough speaks to his points. | 20:33 |
| TravT | in any case, I'm not sure the base decorator is contentious. | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | sure | 20:34 |
| david-lyle | so reviews folks, please. says the most guilty | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | #Open Discussion | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:36 | |
| david-lyle | messy words | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | I've updated #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/Blueprint_Reviews with some more blueprints to review | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | If you have a blueprint you are championing and don't see it in a milestone or on that list, target it to a milestone, so that I see it | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | I can only sift through so many before my mind starts swimming | 20:38 |
| * david-lyle need to obsolete so many blueprints | 20:38 | |
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| asahlin | Is this list only BP tageted for kilo-2? | 20:38 |
| gugl2 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-description is targeted for kilo-2, but not on your review list...the status you marked is review | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: I'll review the REST API patch tomorrow and ask colleagues to do the same - needs more attention. | 20:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: ok thanks | 20:39 |
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| Piet | Let me know when I can mention some UX stuff | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | go | 20:40 |
| Piet | Need feedback on the table pagination designs from Chris. http://invis.io/C71W9EAEX | 20:40 |
| Piet | If you haven't already, please reach-out to me if you want an account in Invision to review mocks | 20:41 |
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| TravT | please note, you can turn on adding comments directly to the design | 20:41 |
| TravT | by toggling switch on bottom right | 20:41 |
| Piet | Just send an email to pkruithofr@gmail if you want an account | 20:42 |
| * TravT wonders how much spam Piet is about to get since this IRC meeting is logged. | 20:43 | |
| gugl2 | david-lyle: could you please add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/volume-type-description to your review list? Thanks | 20:43 |
| Piet | If you have time, please complete the online card sort for end users or forward the link to someone else http://ows.io/os/0v46l867 | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | gugl2: was just looking at it | 20:43 |
| gugl2 | david-lyle: k...thanks :) | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | and yes | 20:43 |
| Piet | We are running usability next week on the Launch Instance workflow | 20:43 |
| Piet | I think that's it from a UX perspective. Thanks to everyone for your feedback! | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | Thanks Piet | 20:44 |
| Piet | np | 20:45 |
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| david-lyle | I will be offline the 19-27 Dec. I think most people will be for some portion of that or more. | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | additionally, no meeting the next two weeks | 20:47 |
| asahlin | david-lyle: Can you also add https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/admin-network-configuration to the review list? It is currently targeted for kilo-3, but would like some feedback if anyone feels this is the right direction / a good addition. | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | asahlin: done | 20:49 |
| asahlin | thanks | 20:49 |
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| david-lyle | anything else? or we can end early | 20:51 |
| mrunge | good idea :D | 20:51 |
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| david-lyle | Alright, I'll take end early. Have a great couple of weeks everyone. Thanks! | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 20:52:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| mattfarina | you too | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-12-17-20.01.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-12-17-20.01.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2014/horizon.2014-12-17-20.01.log.html | 20:52 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | happy festive and/or just plain vacation time everyone! :) | 20:52 |
| mrunge | yes, have a good time! | 20:53 |
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| TravT | +1 | 20:53 |
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