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| claudiub | not really sure, isn't there supposed to be a proxy for this? | 13:22 |
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| sagar_nikam | we can do it by running freerdp-webconnect on controller, but linux version of FreeRDP does not seem to be stable, as well as there are no RPMs or DEBs for it | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | may be we can discuss this in a meeting when alexpilotti: is available | 13:24 |
| lpetrut | one possible scenario would be to have another proxy, outside the Hyper-V node, which mediates the access to the FreeRDP web connect service, although I'm not sure this is the recommended workflow | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | we can discuss it on HyperV channel sometime this week when alexpilotti: is available instead of waiting for next week's IRC meeing | 13:25 |
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| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: we can do it by running it on another windows node and use NLB to configure HA | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | but from what i remember in our discussion on this topic in a previous meeting | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam | the recommended approach is to run FreeRDP on HyperV host | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam | running nova-compute | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: lpetrut: when is alexpilotti: available | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | can we discuss on HyperV channel when he is back ? | 13:27 |
| lpetrut | sure | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: can you let us know when we can have the meeting after discussing with alexpiltti: | 13:28 |
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| lpetrut | sure | 13:29 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: don't know when he will be available, but he should be back for the next meeting. anyways, moving on. | 13:30 |
| claudiub | Since M-3 will be next week, after that, we will start running thousands of tests, making sure that there are no regressions for 2012, 2012 r2 and 2016. | 13:31 |
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| claudiub | After a few final patches merge in os-win, networking-hyperv and compute-hyperv. | 13:31 |
| claudiub | including the hyper-v cluster driver. | 13:31 |
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| claudiub | that's pretty much it from me. Anyone else has anything else to discuss? | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut:FC patches merged in compute-hyperv ? | 13:33 |
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| lpetrut | not yet, I was hoping to get the os-brick patch in, but as that got postponed to N, I guess I'll have to take that code to compute-hyperv | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:34 |
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| lpetrut | I'll do the same for the iSCSI MPIO related code | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | sonu: anything to discuss from your end ? OVS related ? | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | we have time to discuss it | 13:34 |
| sonu | nothing as of today | 13:35 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:35 |
| sonu | Claudiu I am reviewing the cluster driver spec | 13:35 |
| sonu | I will include comments on the spec as appropriate. | 13:36 |
| lpetrut | have you guys got to test the FC patches? | 13:36 |
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| sagar_nikam | claidiub: since we have time, would you like to let us know any new BPs planned for N | 13:36 |
| claudiub | sonu: Sure, it was previously approved, so I don't think any changes to it would be necessary. It would just delay its reapproval. :) | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: the team to test FC patches identified, they are creating the setup | 13:37 |
| lpetrut | sagar_nikam: that's great | 13:37 |
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| sagar_nikam | how about discussing any new BPs planned | 13:38 |
| sonu | I will post the questions and comments to you then. | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | especially to take new features of WIN 2016 | 13:38 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: As for new blueprints for N, from my side, I have quite a few. Probably the biggest one I'm currently working on is the instance live-resize feature. Basically, using nova live-resize <instance> <new-flavor> will resize the given instance while it is still running - no shutdown / restart necessary. | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:39 |
| claudiub | which means that the vm can continue its work uninterrupted. | 13:39 |
| claudiub | can be live-resized: memory, vcpus, disk. Maybe even hot-plug pci devices using live-resize (still being debated). | 13:40 |
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| claudiub | we will also have the shielded vms for windows server 2016. | 13:40 |
| sonu | do you have any blueprint for consuming OVS 2.6 | 13:41 |
| sonu | including - evolving OVS firewall for hyper-v. | 13:41 |
| claudiub | then there's the host capabilities spec - each compute node will be able to report its own hypervisor / host capabilities, then certain host / hypervisor capabilities will a lot easier to request and properly schedule. | 13:42 |
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| claudiub | sonu: it hasn't been discussed yet, we should see what changes would actually be necessary for it to work on hyper-v | 13:43 |
| sonu | do you think my team here can take that part of the work? | 13:43 |
| claudiub | sonu: it might not need a blueprint, if the changes are trivial, a bug report should suffice, IMO. | 13:43 |
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| sonu | Sure! let it evolve | 13:44 |
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| claudiub | sonu: no objections from my part, plus, it's on the neutron side. :) | 13:44 |
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| sonu | claudiub: thanks | 13:45 |
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| claudiub | as far as other features, I'm open to suggestions. :) | 13:46 |
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| claudiub | If there are no more topics to be disccussed, we can end this meeting at :50. :) | 13:49 |
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| sagar_nikam | sure, no topics from my end, let us discuss FreeRDP at the earliest | 13:50 |
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| claudiub | ok, thanks for joining! | 13:50 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:51 |
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| jschwarz | somehow I have mondays and not wednesdays | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | oy | 14:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:02 |
| ajo | :) | 14:02 |
| irenab | hi | 14:02 |
| ajo | still not started | 14:02 |
| ajo | let's give 1 minute or so | 14:02 |
| ajo | and I'm looking for a link in the meanwhile | 14:02 |
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| jschwarz | so every 2 weeks on wednesdays? | 14:02 |
| ajo | yeah | 14:02 |
| jschwarz | okies | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: just use .ical file from eavesdrop | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | and don't trust anything else | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | even me | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | :) | 14:03 |
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| ajo | :D | 14:03 |
| ajo | ok, so I guess we can start | 14:03 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachys, ah yes, the eavesdrop mentions the right time and I misread | 14:03 |
| ajo | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 14:03:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:03 |
| ajo | Hi everybody! ;) | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 14:03 |
| jschwarz | \o/ | 14:03 |
| irenab | hi | 14:04 |
| davidsha | hi! | 14:04 |
| ajo | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_QoS_Meeting | 14:04 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:04 |
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| ajo | o/ :) | 14:04 |
| ajo | I wanted to start raising the topic of our roadmap | 14:04 |
| ajo | on last drivers meetings there were concerns about our roadmap, status, and the amount of RFEs they were finding | 14:05 |
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| ajo | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-02-18-22.01.log.html#l-52 | 14:05 |
| irenab | ajo: so qos features have high request | 14:05 |
| ajo | So I thought we may clarify that | 14:05 |
| ajo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087360.html | 14:05 |
| ajo | I sent this email to the mailing list | 14:06 |
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| ihrachys | irenab: yeah, but it's not like you post an RFE and it magically happen | 14:06 |
| ajo | and, to be right, armax was partly right, because I haven't been doing a good review of new RFEs, because I was focused on the mitaka bits | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | we should consider available resources, current roadmap... | 14:06 |
| irenab | ihrachys: the intent should be approved so the one who proposes can move on | 14:07 |
| ajo | and I guess, they felt overwhelmed by RFEs they didn't understand how exactly fit in the architecture we designed | 14:07 |
| armax | ajo: I am always 100% right! | 14:07 |
| armax | :) | 14:07 |
| armax | ajo: jokes aside, I saw your email…but I haven’t had the chance to reply yet…I’ll do that today | 14:07 |
| ajo | armax++ | 14:07 |
| ajo | lol | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | irenab: you can't effectively move forward without having reviewers on board | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | that's why we have approvers for blueprints | 14:07 |
| irenab | ihrachys: so intent and review commitmentm right? | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | (we don't have them for RFEs and I believe that's a bug) | 14:08 |
| ajo | armax: I wanted to discuss the current status on the meeting, and then send a detailed report, I'm sorry I haven't been communicating to you properly, and actively reviewing new RFEs, consider that changed from now on | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | armax: btw do we plan to have approvers for RFEs? | 14:08 |
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| armax | ihrachys: something to consider/experiment next cycle. We’ll do a postmortem once mitaka is out of the way | 14:08 |
| njohnston | So I think we take the list of all QoS features that could be implemented - BW limiting, DSCP, ECN, 802.1p/q, and minimum bandwidth guarantees - and the possible implementations for each - OVS, LB, SR-IOV - and we can provide a matrix of all the QoS items between us and full implementation. Some of them will be empty spots - DSCP on SR-IOV is an impossibility - but at least we can say "this is the comp | 14:09 |
| njohnston | lete roadmap", and show which 1-3 items we're targeting this cycle and next cycle | 14:09 |
| ajo | yes, | 14:09 |
| ajo | I have brought up this: | 14:09 |
| ajo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qos-roadmap | 14:09 |
| ajo | to discuss during the meeting | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | the matrix idea seems like a good idea | 14:09 |
| ajo | And I was thinking of the same | 14:09 |
| ajo | one important thing, is that we don't need to fill RFEs for specific ref-arch implementations | 14:10 |
| ajo | probably a bug is enough | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | + | 14:10 |
| ajo | only if the implementation is a huge change to the specific implementation, then that could be a matter of an spec/rfe/devref | 14:10 |
| ajo | to have a better understanding of how is it going to be implemented | 14:11 |
| njohnston | That sounds fair to me. | 14:11 |
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| ajo | So, in the tiny etherpad, | 14:11 |
| ajo | I have detailed r current status | 14:11 |
| ajo | the documentation we have, | 14:11 |
| ajo | and what we're doing for mitaka | 14:12 |
| ajo | basically, we don't have a *lot* of things in mitaka, because, doing things right, we need to cover a lot of related dependencis | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | irenab: my understanding is that posting an RFE without having anyone to implement and approve the code is a waste of drivers time | 14:12 |
| ajo | yeah | 14:12 |
| * jschwarz thinks that aside from listing features, etc, you guys may want to assign them to people (so drivers will feel comfortable and will know who to ask when things go south) | 14:12 | |
| ajo | I agree too | 14:12 |
| ajo | we can discuss new ideas in the meeting | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: and that's where approvers for RFE should come to help | 14:13 |
| ajo | but I'd say, let's only fill RFEs if we have people willing, and with the ability to implement | 14:13 |
| irenab | ajo: ihrachys : sounds reasonable | 14:13 |
| ajo | We still won't have control over the RFEs people fill, but I will monitor that | 14:14 |
| ajo | on a weekly basis | 14:14 |
| ajo | #action ajo sets a calendar reminder for himself before driver's meeting to check any new QoS related RFE | 14:14 |
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| irenab | Initially I thought that RFE was for users to express requirements | 14:15 |
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| ajo | yes, in fact I understand that's the thing | 14:15 |
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| ajo | but if we can globally do some filtering ourselves here, we're as developers proposing features, so we can discuss it in advance | 14:16 |
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| ajo | to have a more filtered RFE | 14:16 |
| irenab | +1 | 14:16 |
| ajo | or higher quality RFE, know that we have backers to write the code, etc.. | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | irenab: well kinda. are users posting the RFEs in question though? for the most part, it's people who are in the community, so a more informal means of tracking ideas could be less harsh for drivers. but maybe it's just me ranting and we should post more RFEs. | 14:16 |
| ajo | I guess the general workflow is | 14:16 |
| ajo | customer -> openstack-related-company -> developer -> RFE | 14:17 |
| ajo | and in some cases | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | the thing is, I see that some RFEs are actually closed on drivers meetings because there is no one to back the implementation up. | 14:17 |
| ajo | openstack-user/contributor-company -> developer -> RFE | 14:17 |
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| moshele | hi | 14:17 |
| ajo | njohnston, and vhoward seem to be in a good TZ for the drivers meeting | 14:18 |
| ajo | and they helped so far by being there and answering :) | 14:18 |
| njohnston | We're happy to represent :) | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | I usually try to join too, but that time I was off | 14:18 |
| ajo | so I guess we could pre-analize here, and if they can represent us, that's great | 14:18 |
| ajo | I used too, and I will try from now on, but I will be quite random | 14:19 |
| ajo | njohnston++ | 14:19 |
| ajo | thanks | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | yes, let's have US folks on board with representing the group there :) | 14:19 |
| ajo | I guess that from now on, we could have a meeting section for qos-related-rfes | 14:20 |
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| njohnston | sounds good | 14:20 |
| ajo | if you find anything missing or you believe something is wrong, please update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qos-roadmap when you have time | 14:20 |
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| ajo | I think VLAN marking, Ingress QoS rate limiting, are probably quite straight forward | 14:21 |
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| ajo | in fact, when we implemented the low levels of vm-egress , we did vm-ingress by mistake | 14:22 |
| ajo | and had to switch the implementation | 14:22 |
| ihrachys | :D we could close two features in one go | 14:22 |
| davidsha | VLAN marking is the same way as dscp for openvswitch. | 14:22 |
| ajo | gal-sagie implementation is still there in gerrit | 14:22 |
| ajo | davidsha, exactly, it's almost the same | 14:23 |
| ajo | one tackles L3, and the other tackles L2 | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | still two separate rule types | 14:23 |
| ajo | exactly | 14:23 |
| ajo | then, we have the ECN RFE, which makes sense IMO, but there are a few things to clarify | 14:24 |
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| ajo | basically, ECN seems to be a mechanism that can be used in combination with TCP/IP to throttle the other host end dinamically | 14:24 |
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| ajo | if your ingress is getting congested | 14:24 |
| ajo | but I believe we need to clarify how congestion is detected, and how we model the rules | 14:25 |
| irenab | ajo: I have a suggestion | 14:25 |
| davidsha | would that be something to use with traffic classification then? | 14:25 |
| ajo | irenab, shot :D | 14:25 |
| njohnston | "Conventionally, TCP/IP networks signal congestion by dropping packets. When ECN is successfully negotiated, an ECN-aware router may set a mark in the IP header instead of dropping a packet in order to signal impending congestion. The receiver of the packet echoes the congestion indication to the sender, which reduces its transmission rate as if it detected a dropped packet." | 14:25 |
| irenab | I think each RFE should present relevant use case(s) | 14:25 |
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| ajo | davidsha, no, that's more related to your other RFE :) | 14:26 |
| irenab | so it will be clear how the requested functionality is used | 14:26 |
| ajo | irenab: +1 | 14:26 |
| davidsha | ajo: Ah ok. | 14:26 |
| ajo | I see use cases for ECN now that I understood it, | 14:26 |
| ajo | but, yes, that's not well addressed | 14:26 |
| ajo | we should ask vikram and reedip_ reedip for that | 14:27 |
| irenab | I think neutron implementation details much less important and can be resolved later | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | is there a case when you have ECN supported but you want to disable it? | 14:27 |
| ajo | yes | 14:27 |
| ajo | ihrachys, like filter ECN flags? | 14:27 |
| irenab | I beleive this can be the case, since it should be across the fabric | 14:28 |
| njohnston | My question is, ECN is negotiated, it isn't something that is supposed to be administratively enabled or disabled. And the thing doing the negotiation won't be neutron, it will be the TCP stack implementation itself. | 14:28 |
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| ajo | njohnston, as far as I undestood, switches, and mid-point network devices can modify the flags | 14:28 |
| ajo | on flight | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | ajo: yeah but who's going to decide the flag to be set? | 14:29 |
| ajo | so they're able to throttle traffic going through it | 14:29 |
| ajo | but I'm not 100% sure, we may ask vikram and reedit | 14:29 |
| njohnston | "When both endpoints support ECN they mark their packets with ECT(0) or ECT(1). If the packet traverses an active queue management (AQM) queue (e.g., a queue that uses random early detection (RED)) that is experiencing congestion and the corresponding router supports ECN, it may change the codepoint to CE instead of dropping the packet." | 14:29 |
| ajo | I'm not an ECN expert by any mean, totally new to me | 14:29 |
| ajo | njohnston, ahh, exactly, I got it right then | 14:29 |
| ajo | ihrachys, : that's one of the question I had for them | 14:29 |
| ajo | ihrachys, it could be the agent, inspecting the ports sustained BW, the host load, the host br-* interfaces bw... etc | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | it's clearly not well understood in the team. let's do some homework reading docs before we decide anything on its feasibility. | 14:30 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:30 |
| davidsha | +1` | 14:30 |
| ajo | yeah, | 14:30 |
| ajo | it's the time to read, and ask the RFE proposers | 14:30 |
| ajo | I'm still on that proccess | 14:30 |
| ajo | I see possible value in it | 14:31 |
| ajo | as something softer/more effective than policing | 14:31 |
| ajo | but, policing is fully automatic | 14:31 |
| irenab | ajo: ihrachys : general question regarding RFE. Lets say there something that cannot be impemented by Ref implementation, it should not be proposed? | 14:31 |
| ajo | irenab, it's my understanding that "no", but, well, we have things that are only cisco implemented | 14:32 |
| ajo | what was the name of it... | 14:32 |
| ajo | hmm | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | irenab: I think otherwise, I believe it can be proposed. | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | though I really wonder what can't be implemented in ovs. | 14:32 |
| ajo | I believe it could be proposed, if some SDN vendor implements it, but we'd have to discuss with drivers & core team | 14:32 |
| irenab | got it, thanks | 14:33 |
| ajo | ihrachys, I start to grasp the limits sometimes, | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | yes, that would require some exception process, but I believe it may have place for itself | 14:33 |
| ajo | yes, if the use case is well funded, as you said, and it can be modeled, we may try | 14:33 |
| ajo | Then | 14:34 |
| ajo | we have davidsha's RFE #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qos-roadmap about neutron QoS priority queing rules | 14:34 |
| ajo | davisha, if I didn't get it wrong | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: wrong link | 14:34 |
| ajo | sorry | 14:34 |
| ajo | :/ | 14:34 |
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| ajo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1527671 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527671 in neutron "[RFE]Neutron QoS Priority Queuing rule" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:35 |
| ajo | If I didn't get it wrong | 14:35 |
| ajo | you propose to have filters for traffic, so different traffic can be limited in different ways | 14:35 |
| ajo | right? | 14:35 |
| davidsha | correct | 14:35 |
| ajo | ok | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | does it rely on traffic classifier? | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | I assume yes | 14:35 |
| ajo | that was foreseen in our initial brainstorms | 14:36 |
| ajo | and we thought we could model such thing | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | I don't see the dep mentioned there | 14:36 |
| ajo | by attaching rules to traffic classifiers | 14:36 |
| davidsha | it was originally going to use ovs flows and then I was looking into tc | 14:36 |
| ajo | ihrachys, I commented in #12 | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | oh I see | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | was looking at original description | 14:36 |
| ajo | I believe | 14:36 |
| ajo | the user case is clear, | 14:36 |
| ajo | and the modeling, needs some eye on this: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-classifier | 14:37 |
| ajo | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-classifier | 14:37 |
| ajo | the RFE should probably be refactored to something like that | 14:37 |
| njohnston | davidsha: Can we talk after this meeting about this? I would like to understand how "the least likelihood of being rejected due to a queue reaching its maximum capacity" is different from DSCP. That's kind of what DSCP is all about. | 14:37 |
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| davidsha | njohnston: kk, I'm free to talk. | 14:38 |
| njohnston | thanks | 14:38 |
| ajo | njohnston, the idea is that you assign different bw limits to different kinds of traffic | 14:38 |
| ajo | so you have different likelihoods | 14:38 |
| ajo | but let's expand later :) | 14:38 |
| irenab | ajo: what is the state of neutron-classifier? | 14:38 |
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| ajo | davidsha, does it seem reasonable for you to change that RFE into: integrating QoS rules to neutron-classifiers ? | 14:39 |
| ajo | that is something we should investigate, definitely | 14:39 |
| ajo | I thought we'd end up with some common REST API to manage the classifiers | 14:39 |
| ajo | but I don't see that, just libs | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | irenab: I believe it's on hold | 14:39 |
| ajo | and DB moles | 14:39 |
| ajo | models | 14:39 |
| ajo | ok, may be they need help on that | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | irenab: probably starving for implementers | 14:39 |
| davidsha | ajo: would it be ok if I looked into neutron classifier a bit more first? | 14:39 |
| ajo | davidsha, makes total sense | 14:40 |
| ajo | #action davidsha to look into neutron-classifiers state | 14:40 |
| irenab | I do not remember seeing anything on the mailing list or any dedicated sub-team | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | irenab: I believe it was just an experiment from Sean Collins that never delivered much | 14:41 |
| ajo | let's investigate, and bring up the topic to see how it is. | 14:41 |
| ihrachys | I suspect Sean would appreciate help | 14:41 |
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| ajo | ihrachys, when it was proposed the call was to make it a separate library | 14:41 |
| ajo | yes | 14:41 |
| ajo | ok | 14:42 |
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| ajo | and, the last RFE(s) in place are for bandwidth guarantees | 14:42 |
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| ajo | when we talk about BW guarantees, it's about minimum bandwidth on ports | 14:42 |
| ajo | we can have strict, or best-effort | 14:42 |
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| ajo | strict requires coordination with nova-scheduler, so no interface is oversubscribed .... | 14:43 |
| ajo | I'm trying to fight on that battle, but ... to be fair, I'm far from success, | 14:43 |
| ajo | there's a spec from Jaypipes which could satisfy what we need in that regard, but It doesn't look to me as dynamic as I think it could be | 14:43 |
| ajo | if we could use that mechanism they're designing, it could be awesome | 14:44 |
| ajo | (generic resource pools) | 14:44 |
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| irenab | ajo: meaning nova will manage BW counting? | 14:44 |
| ajo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/ | 14:44 |
| ajo | irenab, nope | 14:44 |
| ajo | not by itself | 14:44 |
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| ajo | I mean yes, sorry | 14:44 |
| irenab | refer the counting done by 3rd party (neutron?) | 14:45 |
| ajo | but our dynamic way of modifying policies I'm unsure it plays well with that | 14:45 |
| ajo | we may need to some sort of process to sync to that API | 14:45 |
| ajo | any of our changes in policies | 14:45 |
| ajo | so the nova database is always up to date | 14:45 |
| ajo | what bugs me, is that to make that possible, we could need to create one resource pool (or several) per compute node | 14:46 |
| ajo | because those resources are consumed in the compute nodes itselves | 14:46 |
| ajo | themselves | 14:46 |
| ajo | (sorry) :) | 14:46 |
| ajo | I guess that could also help model things like TOR switch bandwidth, and things like that | 14:46 |
| ajo | but ok, I'm trying to explore that | 14:47 |
| ajo | .. | 14:47 |
| ajo | In the other hand, and I finish, | 14:47 |
| ajo | is best-effort | 14:47 |
| ajo | that basically, is... do what we can within the hosts/hypervisors | 14:47 |
| ajo | to guarantee that | 14:47 |
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| ajo | ovs and TC have mechanisms for that | 14:47 |
| ajo | I explored them, and I think davidsha did it too | 14:48 |
| ajo | they seem to work | 14:48 |
| irenab | ajo: any summary you can share on your findings? | 14:48 |
| ajo | the OVS/OF ones require a total refactor or our openflow rules | 14:48 |
| ajo | of our | 14:48 |
| ajo | because NORMAL rules don't work to queue traffic (we need to use queues) | 14:48 |
| ajo | and... | 14:48 |
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| ajo | TC mixes technologies for filtering traffic (TC and OF...) (a bit like mixing linuxbridge and iptables with openflow) | 14:49 |
| ajo | so | 14:49 |
| ajo | there's no golden path | 14:49 |
| ajo | it can be done | 14:49 |
| ajo | may be we could start by TC,and then upgrade to something better in the future (OF only) | 14:49 |
| ajo | it worked pretty well on my testings | 14:50 |
| ajo | but ok | 14:50 |
| ajo | I can dive in the details on another meeting, probably not important now | 14:50 |
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| ajo | I will switch to checking the status of the ongoing patches if there's no objection | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | YES | 14:51 |
| njohnston | no objection | 14:51 |
| ajo | #topic status | 14:51 |
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| ajo | njohnston, how's DSCP? and L2 api, any blocker? | 14:51 |
| ajo | I made a comment on the RPC patch so you can test the upgrade mechanism | 14:51 |
| njohnston | The L2 agent patch has Ihar's +2 and just needs another https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ | 14:51 |
| ajo | I'm not sure if I fully clarified it | 14:51 |
| ajo | #action ajo review L2 agent patch!!! :] | 14:52 |
| ihrachys | njohnston: there is a concern from yamamoto there. are we going to handle that? | 14:52 |
| njohnston | RPC rolling upgrades has some concerns https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268040/ | 14:52 |
| ajo | njohnston, yes will address it tonight I guess, I was focusing on the roadmap this morning :) | 14:52 |
| irenab | ajo: just wanted to raise the discussion at neutron channel today regarding max_burst parameter misleading name in bw_limit rule | 14:52 |
| njohnston | ihrachys: I don't know how we can properly account for that | 14:53 |
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| davidsha | ihrachys: I don't think it's a problem, any project that used the agent_uuid_stamp was using it for flows. | 14:53 |
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| njohnston | +1 ^^ | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | davidsha: I am good. just wanted to clarify. | 14:53 |
| njohnston | So once those 2 patches get merged the main DSCP patch looks good, it only has one nit from Vikram https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251738 | 14:54 |
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| ajo | irenab, I agree it's missleading :/ can we talk about it after meeting? :) | 14:54 |
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| irenab | if the is agreed to be the bug slawek mentioned he would like to fix it | 14:54 |
| irenab | ajo: sure | 14:54 |
| njohnston | and then the python-neutronclient change for DSCP also looks to be in good shape: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254280 | 14:54 |
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| ajo | ok, that's great :) | 14:55 |
| njohnston | The documentation changes associated with DSCP already have 2 +2s, so I think they can go as soon as the patch they depend on merges | 14:55 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273638 | 14:55 |
| ajo | njohnston, great , side note, the QoS API docs got re-injected, it seems the coauthor removed it by error | 14:55 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284059/1 | 14:56 |
| ajo | njohnston, we need to contribute it to the common API guide ^ | 14:56 |
| njohnston | d'oh | 14:56 |
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| ajo | it's a hell, XML :) | 14:56 |
| njohnston | ajo: There is an API guide change as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275253 with one +2 already | 14:57 |
| ajo | I must admit for QoS somebody from the doc team helped | 14:57 |
| ajo | ohhh | 14:57 |
| ajo | awesome njohnston !!! | 14:57 |
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| ajo | good work | 14:57 |
| njohnston | ajo: All of the gaggle of DSCP changes are listed explicitly in the main patch's commit message: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251738 | 14:57 |
| njohnston | and they all depend on the main patch | 14:57 |
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| ajo | yikes | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | nice work | 14:58 |
| ajo | 2 minutes to the end of the hour :/ | 14:58 |
| ajo | any other important updates? | 14:58 |
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| ajo | I saw the LB support was making good progress too | 14:58 |
| ajo | we have fullstack tests now :) | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | I believe it's ready to merge | 14:58 |
| ajo | ok | 14:58 |
| ajo | so another action for me | 14:58 |
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| ajo | #action ajo review Linux bridge related patches for QoS | 14:59 |
| ihrachys | I wonder whether everyone is fine that two redhat cores merge stuff | 14:59 |
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| ajo | ihrachys, that's a good question | 14:59 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: maybe it's fine to review and then ask someone else to rubber stamp it | 14:59 |
| ajo | give that LB is not our main thing in redhat | 14:59 |
| ajo | we're doing it for the community mostly :) | 14:59 |
| njohnston | link for the LB change: https://review.openstack.org/236210 | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | ok we need to wrap up | 15:00 |
| ajo | yeah, may be asking for a third +2 and +W | 15:00 |
| ajo | yes | 15:00 |
| ajo | ok, wrapping up,thanks everybody | 15:00 |
| * njohnston has no religion on +2s from y'all | 15:00 | |
| ajo | let's keep discussing on #openstack-neutron (who cans) | 15:00 |
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| ajo | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 15:00:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-02-24-14.03.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-02-24-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-02-24-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 15:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 15:01 |
| Kamil | o/ | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda is posted at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday February 24, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Log API | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Resolve whether dimensions per log message or per http request body? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273058/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Anything else | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Potential discussion about Broadview. | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Potential discussion on clustering and anomaly detection. | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 4.Re-organizing the directory layout of the API, Log API and monasca-common. | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 5.Reviews that need to be addressed. | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 6.Monasca/devstack may need to update. | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 7.sqlalchemy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273058/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 8.java tempest tests / hibernate support | 15:01 |
| ho_away | o/ | 15:01 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | We can also discuss other topics too | 15:01 |
| witek | hello | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | #topic log-api | 15:02 |
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| tgraichen | hi | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | So, I was wondering what we should do with the dimensions as well as any other items before getting the recent changes merged | 15:02 |
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| jobrs | hi | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone, sorry, i'm not being so courteous today | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | anyway, witek, sounds like you want dimensions per log message | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i can make that change | 15:03 |
| witek | yes, I though it is a good idea to keep dimensions consistent for logs and metrics | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | well, i can't think of any downsides, other than a little extra data per log message | 15:04 |
| witek | and so, agent could have different dimensions for every file monitored | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | my assumption was taht the dimensions woudl be constant per log | 15:04 |
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| rhochmuth | and the aganet would only be processing one log at a time | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, that doesn't sound like a valid assumption on my part | 15:04 |
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| witek | then we would need agent instance per log file | 15:05 |
| witek | I don't think it's good | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll make the change | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | should go quick | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | is there anything else that come to mind that i might need to address right now | 15:06 |
| witek | ok, thanks a lot | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | anything else related to log api we need to discuss? | 15:06 |
| witek | i don't think | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, moving on then, thanks witek | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic broadview | 15:07 |
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| rhochmuth | this is a potential topic | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | not sure if syd is here or anyone else from broadview | 15:07 |
| slogan_r_ | yep :-) | 15:07 |
| slogan_r_ | here | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | hi | 15:07 |
| slogan_r_ | so, we are currently working on 3 projects | 15:07 |
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| rhochmuth | so there is broadview-lib, broadview-collector and broadview-ui | 15:08 |
| slogan_r_ | the basic idea is that there is interesting networking underlay data to push into monasca as metrics | 15:08 |
| slogan_r_ | right | 15:08 |
| slogan_r_ | lib has landed | 15:08 |
| slogan_r_ | collector is a service that will use lib to push metrics into monasca | 15:08 |
| slogan_r_ | ui is a panel in horizon to configure it all | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i think if you have the metrics dump you sent me, that woudl be cool to post here | 15:09 |
| slogan_r_ | ah, unable to do that this meeting | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | np | 15:09 |
| slogan_r_ | not near the data | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | so, is there a list of vendors that we can get that broadview is applicaple too | 15:10 |
| slogan_r_ | but the short story is that network switches have buffers, and buffers have all sorts of iteresting data that can help detect issues that you normally don't see | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | i was hoping it worked for the hpe 5930 switch | 15:10 |
| slogan_r_ | the vendor list is hue, HP among them, but most switch vendors are using our silicon | 15:10 |
| slogan_r_ | I look into that, you mentioned it would be nice to have one of those switches, right? | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | absolutely | 15:11 |
| slogan_r_ | let me take that up | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | but i was hoping that hpe was planning on using a switch that had support for broadview | 15:11 |
| slogan_r_ | so in the coming week I should have a gerrit review up for the collector | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | cool | 15:12 |
| slogan_r_ | appreciate anyone who is interested in reviewing to look, particularly the monasca plugin part | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | please add me to the review | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | as well as anyone else that is interested | 15:12 |
| slogan_r_ | one issue I am facing is how to gain access to IP address and ports for talking to monasca from pthon API | 15:12 |
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| slogan_r_ | there is a yaml file with all the data, but it is read only except for root and mon-api ?? group I think | 15:13 |
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| slogan_r_ | that's an issue for the code review maybe | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | that is the default install | 15:13 |
| slogan_r_ | creating a monasca Client object takes some of that config as kwargs | 15:14 |
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| fabiog | slogan_r_: how lib access the data in the switch? is it using snmp traps? | 15:14 |
| slogan_r_ | fabiog: for our trident2 and later chips, there is an agent running switch side | 15:14 |
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| slogan_r_ | that agent talks HTP 1.1 to our collector when thresholds are crossed | 15:14 |
| fabiog | slogan_r_: so the agent is pushing the data out at a fixed interval? | 15:15 |
| slogan_r_ | it can, or as thresholds reached | 15:15 |
| slogan_r_ | it can be polled as well | 15:15 |
| slogan_r_ | longer tem, we want to see data that resolves what is happening in hardware with, say, a virtual network that is bound to tenant in neutron | 15:15 |
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| slogan_r_ | that would be very useful, say, if an operator were to experience problems in his virtual network -- if we can see issues in the hardware, and we can tie the two together, then we can maybe isolate to a switch in a datacenter and it can be looked at | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | would virtual network include support for ovs | 15:17 |
| slogan_r_ | what I am doing now with these projects is just that start of it | 15:17 |
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| slogan_r_ | yes, I mean OVS | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | awesome | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm very interested in this area | 15:18 |
| slogan_r_ | me too :-) | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | as i've had a few requests over that last couple of weeks to start looking at support for vswitch | 15:18 |
| bklei | slogan_r_: we were thinking about the same thing at twc -- a libvirt style plugin that would post virtual router bw | 15:19 |
| slogan_r_ | OVS is the obvious place to start | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | this is coming up as one of our big requests | 15:19 |
| bklei | and cross post to the admin project, like libvirt plugin | 15:19 |
| slogan_r_ | but segementation IDs are a neutron/nova thing, so it is not limited to OVS | 15:19 |
| slogan_r_ | yep | 15:19 |
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| bklei | we've got ovs specific code here that does that -- i can put a monasca-agent patch up and see what you guys think | 15:20 |
| slogan_r_ | cool | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | bklei: thanks, interested too | 15:20 |
| bklei | cool, will include you on the review -- any anyone else interested | 15:20 |
| slogan_r_ | again, what we have now for our part is early stage, we are not attempting to address this overlay/underlay resolution but that will come | 15:21 |
| slogan_r_ | the underlying agent has several boxes, so to speak, each covering a class of data that the switch might expose | 15:21 |
| slogan_r_ | the contrbution at this stage is about buffer threshold events that lead to packet drops in the silicon | 15:22 |
| slogan_r_ | the ability to even tie together underlay with a segmentation ID is work to be done | 15:22 |
| slogan_r_ | but it is obviously somewhat of a holy grail | 15:22 |
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| slogan_r_ | important to set expectations | 15:22 |
| slogan_r_ | anyway, I think monasca rocks and it is why we are here | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | thx sysd | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | syd | 15:23 |
| slogan_r_ | looking forward to working with you all | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | sorry | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm wondering about interest from folks on working on this | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | also, seeing how to best coordinate | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | might be best to have a broadview specific meeting | 15:24 |
| slogan_r_ | okay, we could do that | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | if there is enough interest | 15:24 |
| slogan_r_ | I was thinking it might be good as a pseudo PTL (what do you call people who lead unofficial projects?) to maybe be more present in irc on a channel at least | 15:25 |
| slogan_r_ | maybe #openstack-broadview or something | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i think that makes sense | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, leet's wrap up on this topic | 15:25 |
| slogan_r_ | btw, monasca-api has been a big influence on my docs and currently, my devstack hacking | 15:25 |
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| slogan_r_ | s/my/our/ | 15:26 |
| slogan_r_ | yep, thanks for the time | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | thanks syd | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | let's discuss off-line | 15:26 |
| slogan_r_ | k | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | so options, and see what makes sense | 15:26 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic analytics | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i just want to give and update | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | is anyone from bristol hpe here | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, it looks like we are getting some interest in alarm clustering and anomaly detection algorithms | 15:28 |
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| ho_away | cool :-) | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | ho_away: I would like to get some discussions with you and the team | 15:29 |
| ho_away | what is the relationship b/w bristol hpe and this topic? | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | so i'll work on brokering that and keepign you in the loop | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | there is lab there that is doing some potential work in this area | 15:29 |
| ho_away | i will be in bristol hpe next week. | 15:29 |
| ho_away | to attend other meeting. | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i can get you introduced | 15:30 |
| ho_away | great! | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | so, since not everyone is here, i'll defer to another day | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | but we're going to have to start planning and coordinating in this area | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | i thihnk | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | think | 15:31 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: let's plan to have that as a topic for the summit | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | so, we might have to have some additional sessions on this topic | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | and that isn't too far off at this point | 15:31 |
| ho_away | sounds nice! | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | ho_away, will you be in austin | 15:31 |
| ho_away | not decided yet but i will negociate it with my boss | 15:32 |
| slogan_r_ | :-) | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | i'll check with the other folks | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | good lock | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, next topic, unles more to discuss? | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | #re-factoring | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | so, i was planning on a proposal, but i didn't get to it | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | in general, i just think our file organization for the python code could be improved a little | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | i'll try and get somethign written up for next time | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, i'm wasting folks time on this | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic review | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | #tpoic reviews | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | so, if there are any reivews that need attending to please let me know | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | we are still a little backed up | 15:35 |
| witek | I put sqlalchemy as a separate point | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | yes, I +1'd that review | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | THis one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266922/ | 15:36 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251674/ needs some love from Infra core | 15:36 |
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| fabiog | so we can finally get the client in the global reqs ... | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | So, relative to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266922/, the ORM/SQLAlchemy, it would be good to have some more eyes and +1s. I hate holding up this review | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | In general, i'm ok switching over to sqlalchemy | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | and keeping mysql around jsut in case | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | hopefully backing out the mysql repo over time | 15:37 |
| witek | but sqlalchemy would become default, right? | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | that is fine with me | 15:37 |
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| witek | cool | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | we dont' have any production concerns with the python | 15:38 |
| * slogan_r_ will try and code review that one | 15:38 | |
| rhochmuth | so, i think getting it in the pipe asap to get more testing on it is best | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | thanks syd | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | it is a biggie | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | it doesnt' help that i'm not a sqlalchemy expert | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | so i'm learnign this area | 15:38 |
| slogan_r_ | nod | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | i'l try and lobby some resources from hpe | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog: what do you need from us | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | that review is taking forever | 15:39 |
| witek | thanks Roland! | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog? | 15:40 |
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| fabiog | rhochmuth: it would be good if Doug will +2 it again. He did before but I had to rebase | 15:40 |
| fabiog | also it will be good if many Monasca people will +1 this will generate interest around the patch | 15:41 |
| fabiog | to get other infra committers to merge it | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | is everything else resolved then | 15:41 |
| fabiog | yes, I did a second patch that added the tempest check for requirements and that has been merged. I added as dependency to the reqs patch | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | OK, So if folks can +1, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251674/, that would be great | 15:42 |
| fabiog | thanks, all | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | probably should ping doug | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | Anye other pressing review? | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic devstack | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | sounds like devstack is broken again | 15:44 |
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| shinya_kwbt | Yes. | 15:44 |
| slogan_r_ | how so? | 15:44 |
| shinya_kwbt | monasca-vagrant provisioning is currently success. | 15:44 |
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| shinya_kwbt | But I can't log into Horizon UI. Roland and Witold are neither. | 15:44 |
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| shinya_kwbt | I doubt keystone because log in processing raises error. | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | so, there is a bug that was introduced in the monasca-ui | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | not sure when | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | that is preventing the horizon login from working | 15:45 |
| witek | I think it is dependencies issue | 15:45 |
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| shinya_kwbt | I think so too. | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | so, can you resolve | 15:45 |
| witek | would updating devstack box help? | 15:46 |
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| slogan | when you say devstack bug, are you referring to devstack code in monasca-api? | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | no, devstack and monasca-vagrant are entirely separate | 15:46 |
| shinya_kwbt | I tried to update devstack box | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | there is the monasca-vagrant repo | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | and then there is monasca-api/devstack | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | and there is a Vagrantfile in the devstack directory | 15:47 |
| slogan | yes | 15:47 |
| witek | shinya_kwbt: any success? | 15:47 |
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| shinya_kwbt | Then I tried to make monasca/devstack which has latest keystone by using ds-build. This image doesn't have admin_token, | 15:48 |
| shinya_kwbt | then I patched this(https://review.openstack.org/284010/), I finally successfully log in. | 15:48 |
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| shinya_kwbt | monasca-repo's devstack seem to be old | 15:49 |
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| rhochmuth | ohh, now i understand | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | the devstack vm that is in monasca-vagrant is out of sync | 15:50 |
| witek | shinya_kwbt: so it seems to solve the problem, right? | 15:50 |
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| shinya_kwbt | made at July 2015, liberty version. | 15:50 |
| slogan | I noticed when I tried vagrant that python monasca-client failed to install | 15:51 |
| slogan | I had to hand install it afterwards | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | so, what is the status now then | 15:51 |
| shinya_kwbt | witek: I can log into Horizon. | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | shinya: does your review get things working again? | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth | and do we need to update the devstack image? | 15:52 |
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| witek | rhochmuth: I think we need an update | 15:53 |
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| Kamil | The current version was created 8 months ago | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | i'll check with the developer to see what is involved | 15:53 |
| shinya_kwbt | I think needs to update. Because current image is liberty. | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | the other option is to move completely to the devstack in monasca-api/devstack | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | how do folks feel about that | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | second option | 15:55 |
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| bklei | +1 on that | 15:55 |
| slogan | why would there need to be anything other than the monasca-api devstack? It's the only one I considered when I went looking | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | it is mostly historical/legacy | 15:55 |
| witek | we still are using ansible roles | 15:56 |
| slogan | I'm not sure why there is a monasca-vagrant, can someone explain that and the difference between the monasca-api devstack vagrant file? | 15:56 |
| witek | but want to write devstack plugin for log-part | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | we started with our own Vagrant env and a lot of Ansible | 15:56 |
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| Kamil | for testing purposes monasca-vagrant is fast and easy | 15:56 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll talk with the developer about a devstack image to see what is involved | 15:57 |
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| slogan | there is a Chinese saying: the tiger that chases two rabbits will catch neither | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:57 |
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| slogan | s/rabbits/devstacks/ | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | so, we only have 2 minutes | 15:58 |
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| ho_away | fyi: admin token is deprecated and found the commit https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/5286b4a297b5a94895a311a9e564aa87cb54dbfd | 15:58 |
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| pradipm | Is there a document that describes how to integrate ELK (elastic-search, logstash,kibana) with Monasca? | 15:59 |
| witek | there is a change in gerrit | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | we've reached the end folks | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | got to end the meeting | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | head over to #openstack-monasca for more follow-up | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 16:00:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-02-24-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-02-24-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-02-24-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 16:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker | o/ | 16:00 |
| eglute | chair markvoelker | 16:00 |
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| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:01 |
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| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.13 | 16:01 |
| eglute | Hello Everyone, let us know if you are here for the defcore meeting | 16:01 |
| CatherineD_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| eglute | also, please review the agenda and add/edit as needed | 16:02 |
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| eglute | dwalleck is not able to make today's meeting, so we will move his agenda items to next week | 16:02 |
| eglute | hogepodge are you around? | 16:02 |
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| gema | jo/ | 16:03 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:03 |
| eglute | #topic Multi-tenant tests | 16:04 |
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| eglute | hogepodge i saw you were talking to Mike in defcore channel about it, are you ready to go over this? | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | A bit yeah. | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | My original assertion is that multi-tenant tests get in the way of one of our goals of interoperability tests being user-runnable. | 16:05 |
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| hogepodge | And what many of those tests are measuring is more security related than interoperability related. | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | I had proposed a large number of tests be flagged as a straw-man proposal, but it looks like that number will diminish significantly | 16:06 |
| eglute | right | 16:06 |
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| hogepodge | Here's a bit of status, the list I flagged: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/multi-tenant-defcore-tests | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | 18 have a patch that removes the unnecessary multi-tenant requirement. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283819/ | 16:07 |
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| eglute | that looks good | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/multi-tenant-defcore-tests multitenant test list | 16:08 |
| hogepodge | The authorization tests are scheduled to be removed from Tempest, which will only leave a few. | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283819/ patch removing unnecessary multi-tenancy | 16:09 |
| hogepodge | but at the mid-cycle, I'd like us to consider a policy that restricts us from adding other multi-tenant tests from consideration. | 16:09 |
| eglute | hogepodge i like that idea | 16:09 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: is that on the midcycle etherpad? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle | 16:10 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: just added it. Thanks | 16:11 |
| eglute | hogepodge so this would make your patch a lot smaller, correct? | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | eglute: correct | 16:13 |
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| hogepodge | that patch was intended to provoke discussion and action to review the tests, which I finally got around to this week :-D | 16:14 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge. it would be good if you submitted a new patch. in the mean time, i assume you would like for us to review the tests in that ehterpad? | 16:14 |
| eglute | :) | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | eglute: it's not necessary, that's more of a working document which I'm going to use to build out defcore patches | 16:15 |
| eglute | cool | 16:15 |
| eglute | any other comments on this topic? | 16:15 |
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| eglute | #topic Add 2016.01 required test list | 16:16 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283743/ | 16:16 |
| eglute | thanks CatherineD_ for adding those | 16:16 |
| CatherineD_ | But the total number | 16:16 |
| eglute | these are required for RefStack correct | 16:16 |
| eglute | sorry CatherineD_ ... looks like you were in the middle of the comment? | 16:17 |
| CatherineD_ | Of flagged tests would remain the same? | 16:17 |
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| * CatherineD_ sorry my internet is slow. | 16:18 | |
| eglute | hogepodge? | 16:19 |
| hogepodge | CatherineD_: when I was creating those files I was including flagged tests, but it may make sense to not, as vendors have found it a bit confusing. On one hand, if they pass flagged tests it's nice to know, on the other hand many vendors think they've failed when they're actually ok | 16:19 |
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| CatherineD_ | Ok thx | 16:20 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | we should make required.py a generic tool and include instructions on how vendors can use it. We have more test refactoring happening this week and it would be better to generate that list dynamically rather than use a static version | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | I was on that path at Vancouver last year, but then other work took me away | 16:21 |
| eglute | is that something that we also need to add to the midcycle? | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | I can pick that work up again, but not until late next week at earliest. | 16:22 |
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| eglute | that works for me | 16:22 |
| eglute | ok, next topic Add 2016.01 required test list | 16:22 |
| eglute | thanks CatherineD_ for adding that | 16:22 |
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| eglute | this is required for refstack, so we need to make sure to add it each time we pass a guideline | 16:23 |
| CatherineD_ | A user was asking for the required let on #refstack | 16:23 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | CatherineD_: Can refstack parse the defcore project for new guidelines? | 16:24 |
| eglute | i think we need to document somewhere all the things that need to happen for each new guideline. Maybe in a Hacking file? | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker | I'd suggest we etherpad it first, and then see if we can't simplify it. | 16:25 |
| eglute | markvoelker sounds good. i like simplifying things | 16:25 |
| rockyg | ++ | 16:25 |
| eglute | #action markvoelker and eglute to work on simplifying things required after each guideline is passed | 16:26 |
| eglute | everyone, please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283743/ | 16:26 |
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| CatherineD_ | Right now parsing of the guideline is at the server side. We will need to see whether it make sense for client side | 16:26 |
| eglute | thanks CatherineD_ let me know what you find out | 16:27 |
| eglute | #action CatherineD_ to check whether it makes sense to parse guidelines on refstack's client side | 16:28 |
| eglute | any other comments on this topic? | 16:28 |
| eglute | #topic RefStack questions | 16:28 |
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| eglute | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-February/001035.html | 16:28 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker for responding to those. i agree with your responses, but would like to hear from others | 16:29 |
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| markvoelker | In particular, Alex had a couple of questions in his reply that would be best answered by someone from the Foundation I believe | 16:29 |
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| eglute | hogepodge did you have a chance to look at the questions? | 16:31 |
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| hogepodge | a bit, a marketplace link shouldn't be a requirement for refstack. I do want to make links to refstack a part of the marketplace, and setting up that code on our side right now | 16:32 |
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| hogepodge | I don't have too strong of opinions on how user-management happens on the refstack side. using openstack id is preferred for a number of things, just because it centralizes identity across other projects | 16:33 |
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| eglute | CatherineD_ do you have any other RefStack related questions besides what was in the email? | 16:34 |
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| catherineD | eglute: yes | 16:34 |
| eglute | catherineD go ahead! | 16:35 |
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| catherineD | I think the discussion point is should anyone being able to list the users in RefStack | 16:35 |
| catherineD | From last meeting , I think the direction is no.. | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | +1 | 16:36 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:36 |
| catherineD | some of the RefStack team member was questioning why someone can do that in gerrit and not in RefStack | 16:36 |
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| markvoelker | My larger question would be "why would we need to do it in RefStack, regardless of what some other tools do?" | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: +1 | 16:37 |
| catherineD | +1 | 16:37 |
| eglute | i agree with markvoelker | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | E.g. if there's a real use case for being able to do it, I'm not necessarily opposed...but there doesn't seem to be one. | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | So my tendency is to keep it private. | 16:38 |
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| rockyg | one reason for no is that many of the individuals are actually proxies for the companies hey work for | 16:38 |
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| eglute | agreed, can always be added once a real use case comes up | 16:38 |
| catherineD | ++ | 16:38 |
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| eglute | but rockyg also has another great point for not having it | 16:39 |
| eglute | catherineD any other questions? | 16:39 |
| rockyg | plus, anonymous submitters need to stay anon for everyone bu foundation | 16:40 |
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| eglute | +1 | 16:40 |
| catherineD | that is it for me ... I just need to confirm the user list privacy topic | 16:40 |
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| eglute | thank you catherineD! | 16:41 |
| eglute | #topic ID'ing new capabilities for 2016.07 | 16:41 |
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| catherineD | thank you all !!! | 16:41 |
| eglute | we still need volunteers for scoring capabilities | 16:41 |
| eglute | any takers for Cinder, Swift, and Glance? | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | I'll double up and help with glance | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | I can do Cinder and Swift | 16:42 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:42 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge! | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | I should know this, but do we have a work timeline anywhere? | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: see bottom of etherpad. | 16:43 |
| eglute | for scoring? | 16:43 |
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| markvoelker | Ideally if we can get a first pass done before the midcycle that would be best (so we can discuss in person) | 16:43 |
| rockyg | so, looks like glance v2 won't make it into nova for mitaka. so glance remains as is. | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | Doens't have to be complete, but something we can start iterating on | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | yes :-D | 16:44 |
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| gema | markvoelker: I have a question, I have been reading the keystone api and was wondering what's the criteria to call something "a capability" | 16:44 |
| hogepodge | get-me-an-ip will land partially in mitaka in neutron, but the cross-project work is expected to be done early N | 16:44 |
| gema | other than not needing admin to use it | 16:45 |
| rockyg | Glance is done :-0 | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | we should consider the impact of that on our network capabilities, as it is being written specifically to address networking interoperability | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | gema: This might help. =) https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/doc/source/process/Lexicon.rst | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | gema: for defcore, a capability needs a non-admin test. that's the current bar | 16:46 |
| gema | markvoelker: thank you, I was lost | 16:46 |
| gema | hogepodge: ack, thanks | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | In plainer terms, I think of a capability as something an end user of a cloud can expect to use. Usually that means an API that's user-facing | 16:46 |
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| eglute | thanks markvoelker and hogepodge | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | Capabilities also have to have tests, so you can look through tempest to get a rough idea of what capabilities are out there | 16:47 |
| hogepodge | I don't think we have a great mapping between tests and how to translate that into user actionable API calls, but we're working with what we have | 16:47 |
| eglute | anything else regarding scoring? | 16:47 |
| gema | not from me, thanks for the tips | 16:48 |
| eglute | #topic midcycle | 16:48 |
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| eglute | Next week, I would like to go over the agenda for the midcycle, and time-box different topics | 16:48 |
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| eglute | as well as prioritize the, | 16:48 |
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| eglute | them | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | +1, I'm planning to work up a strawman schedule that we can discuss | 16:49 |
| eglute | we will have some people call in for specific topics, so times will be helpful | 16:49 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:49 |
| eglute | #action markvoelker to work up a strawman schedule for midcycle that we can discuss | 16:49 |
| eglute | so if there is a topic that is not on the midcycle etherpad that you would like to have discussed, please add it | 16:50 |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpring2016MidCycle | 16:50 |
| eglute | and put your name by your topics | 16:50 |
| eglute | also, today is your last chance to respond to the dietary restrictions poll: http://doodle.com/poll/ewsiepmhv9p6r8e7, | 16:51 |
| eglute | but i think everyone here has responded | 16:51 |
| eglute | so thank you! | 16:51 |
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| eglute | another important topic for midcycle: Tuesday night. do we want something formal organized? if so, what? | 16:52 |
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| markvoelker | I think dinner is in order. =) | 16:52 |
| eglute | anyone else interested in dinner? | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | We're out at the Domain, which has a number of restaurants that are easy to get to from the venue. We're a ways away from downtown. | 16:53 |
| eglute | we will need reservations | 16:53 |
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| rockyg | ++ I also suggest an informal gathering at the lonestar....great place for that | 16:53 |
| brunssen | For a large group at a restaurant in the Domain we will want to have reservations. | 16:53 |
| eglute | brunssen right, will try to make them this week | 16:54 |
| brunssen | I am happy to set something up if you want me to do so? | 16:54 |
| eglute | brunssen can you suggest several good restaurants in the area? i only know of one! | 16:54 |
| eglute | brunssen that would be great! | 16:54 |
| eglute | #action brunssen to book dinner for Tuesday night | 16:54 |
| brunssen | OK, no problem. I will send out a list of restaurants to the group and we can take an informal poll | 16:55 |
| eglute | thank you! | 16:55 |
| brunssen | Then I can make the reservation for Tuesday March 8 | 16:55 |
| eglute | that works for me :) | 16:56 |
| eglute | 2 minutes remaining... any last words? | 16:56 |
| brunssen | OK, consider it done. | 16:56 |
| eglute | thank you brunssen! | 16:56 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:57 |
| rockyg | word | 16:57 |
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| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 16:57:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-02-24-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-02-24-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-02-24-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
| rockyg | thanks! | 16:57 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 24 21:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | cool, let's get going | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
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| alaski | #topic Testing | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| alaski | any news on this front? | 21:00 |
| mriedem | ccarmack isn't here | 21:01 |
| alaski | okay | 21:01 |
| alaski | he has a +2 and -1 on his review | 21:01 |
| alaski | but seems to be moving forward | 21:02 |
| mriedem | idk | 21:02 |
| alaski | I'll have to look at the objections after this to see what's up | 21:02 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:02 | |
| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking as always | 21:02 |
| alaski | take a peek in there at some point | 21:03 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:03 | |
| mriedem | on reviews | 21:03 |
| mriedem | ... | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | for the flavor db thing, | 21:03 |
| alaski | #undo | 21:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xaf5f690> | 21:03 |
| mriedem | we were waiting on that root_gb flavor spec | 21:03 |
| mriedem | did that move forward at all? | 21:03 |
| alaski | not yet | 21:04 |
| doffm | mriedem: Which spec? | 21:04 |
| alaski | I don't expect much from the spec until N is open though | 21:04 |
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| alaski | doffm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267673/ | 21:04 |
| mriedem | doffm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267673/ | 21:04 |
| mriedem | damn! | 21:04 |
| mriedem | laski | 21:04 |
| alaski | heh | 21:04 |
| mriedem | well, | 21:04 |
| mriedem | do we want to land the flavors tables things in mitaka? | 21:04 |
| mriedem | if we want to punt, | 21:04 |
| mriedem | we leave root_gb nullable=True | 21:05 |
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| alaski | right, I think that's what we do for now | 21:05 |
| mriedem | we could always make it non-nullable with a migration later | 21:05 |
| alaski | I can comment on the flavor table review with that | 21:05 |
| alaski | but if there's no opposition I think that leaves us the most options for now | 21:05 |
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| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | i did | 21:06 |
| doffm | mriedem: We added something about Neutron? | 21:06 |
| mriedem | doffm: i did | 21:07 |
| alaski | mriedem: great | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i do it all! | 21:07 |
| doffm | Bwahhahah. | 21:07 |
| melwitt | I have a couple of things I wanted to ask | 21:07 |
| alaski | okay | 21:07 |
| alaski | let's start with mriedem | 21:07 |
| melwitt | one is for the CellMapping, do we want to consider making transport_url nullable or will cell0 be a special thing where it sets it as empty string and we make our code know not to switch mq in that case? | 21:08 |
| melwitt | oops sorry | 21:08 |
| mriedem | i don't have the agenda sitting in front of me | 21:08 |
| mriedem | alaski: want to just paste the question | 21:08 |
| alaski | mriedem: sure, but you're at the back of the line now | 21:08 |
| doffm | melwitt: The latter option is what I'm assuming right now. | 21:08 |
| doffm | melwitt: But if you are opposed... | 21:08 |
| alaski | yeah, the latter option seemed fine with me | 21:09 |
| melwitt | I don't have a strong opinion either way but wanted to see if anyone else had wondered about nullable as a way | 21:09 |
| melwitt | because what that means is CellMapping must have a transport_url to make sense. except cell0 | 21:09 |
| melwitt | (non-nullable means that) | 21:10 |
| mriedem | if it's non-nullable i guess you set a sentinel value | 21:10 |
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| doffm | mriedem: Thats what we are doing now. | 21:10 |
| mriedem | if mapping.transport_url == 'special-unicorn': do x | 21:10 |
| alaski | melwitt: my thinking was that we would know not to attempt an RPC call if the instance was in cell0. I guess it depends on where we want to have that check | 21:11 |
| doffm | Unicorn = none:/// | 21:11 |
| alaski | should we check for cell0 before attempting RPC, or have RPC raise an exception if cell0? | 21:11 |
| mriedem | wouldn't the latter be more performant? | 21:12 |
| melwitt | alaski: I was imagining access to the instance is inside the with statement for the "target_cell" and then "if not transport_url: no-op" or something? | 21:12 |
| * mriedem actually has no idea what this whole discussion is about so should shut up | 21:12 | |
| melwitt | alaski: the check being inside the target_cell call | 21:13 |
| alaski | mriedem: it's the same lookups either way, just about where the if statement goes | 21:13 |
| melwitt | my other topic was, the potential oslo.messaging function we could write that assembles a transport_url from the various opts to various rpc backends | 21:13 |
| doffm | I was imagining that if transport_url=unicorn, don't create or switch transport. Then later we could add something more complicated to check if transport is used to cell0. Create a transport that emits warnins. | 21:13 |
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| doffm | melwitt: I'd like to do that. | 21:14 |
| doffm | Or someone do it. | 21:14 |
| doffm | I think its generally useful. | 21:14 |
| doffm | Especially for our nova-manage commands. | 21:14 |
| alaski | the reason I leaned towards a unicorn transport is that if for some reason it does get passed to oslo.messaging hopefully it would fail gracefully, not blowup like None might do | 21:15 |
| alaski | doffm: +1 | 21:15 |
| melwitt | doffm: sounds good to me | 21:15 |
| doffm | Ok. | 21:15 |
| melwitt | that's it from me, sorry for cutting in line | 21:16 |
| doffm | mriedem? We are at the neutron-midcycle so we have some updates from there. | 21:16 |
| alaski | heh, mriedem didn't have his papers in order | 21:17 |
| doffm | We discussed cells. | 21:17 |
| alaski | I think we're still open on the unicorn transport vs None thing | 21:17 |
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| doffm | * goes to the back of the line. :) | 21:17 |
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| melwitt | alaski: well, it can't be None I think because non-nullable. so empty string vs sentinel? | 21:17 |
| melwitt | alaski: or am I wrong on what nullable means.. I get confused | 21:18 |
| alaski | we could make it nullable | 21:18 |
| * bauzas waves late | 21:18 | |
| alaski | no, you're right on that | 21:18 |
| alaski | I would prefer None or sentinel | 21:18 |
| alaski | and sentinel works without a further migration | 21:19 |
| doffm | I'd prefer sentinel. Because it will parse the oslo.messaging Transport stuff. | 21:19 |
| melwitt | okay, so None is not a valid value for a non-nullable field. is that right? | 21:19 |
| alaski | melwitt: right | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | alaski: technically my thing is last in open discussion | 21:19 |
| mriedem | it's not really mine either, more from armax | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i'm just a proxy | 21:20 |
| alaski | doffm: I agree | 21:20 |
| alaski | melwitt: are you okay with the sentinel or do you have an argument for None | 21:20 |
| melwitt | yeah, I think the main thing is I wouldn't want to make transport_url nullable for just one case | 21:22 |
| melwitt | when for everything except cell0 a CellMapping absolutely has to have a transport_url | 21:22 |
| alaski | yeah | 21:22 |
| alaski | okay. if you change your mind let doffm know with an angry -1 on his patch | 21:23 |
| melwitt | haha | 21:23 |
| alaski | doffm: sorry, your turn | 21:23 |
| doffm | I guess just an update from the neutron meetup. | 21:23 |
| alaski | great | 21:24 |
| doffm | We briefly discussed `routed networks` and `resource pools` as a scaling solution. | 21:24 |
| doffm | The general opinion was that that is an option, but only deals with data-plane scaling. | 21:24 |
| alaski | yeah | 21:25 |
| doffm | Something like `cells` for neutron could work for control-plane scaling. | 21:25 |
| doffm | And we agreed to .... have some talks about that in the future. | 21:25 |
| alaski | heh, sounds good | 21:25 |
| alaski | is that a nebulous future or are there ideas on when/where? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | i think armax is just curious to be in the loop on any requirements for neutron | 21:25 |
| mriedem | so it's not a surprise to them later | 21:25 |
| mriedem | or what the recommended deployment with cells v2 + neutron is going to be | 21:26 |
| doffm | alaski: I could try to do it this week, but we will see. | 21:26 |
| doffm | Yeah he wanted more deployment docs, earlier rather than later. | 21:26 |
| alaski | okay | 21:26 |
| mriedem | so, | 21:26 |
| mriedem | i don't know if that could fit into the upgrade doc? | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | or something separate, | 21:27 |
| mlavalle | alaski: is your concern mostly the data plane? | 21:27 |
| mriedem | like, with cells v2 this is how we think thinks will work for networking | 21:27 |
| mriedem | *things | 21:27 |
| alaski | right now there are no requirements for neutron, but with multiple cells the use cases that CERN/Rackspace/GoDaddy have about network partitioning will come up | 21:27 |
| mlavalle | alaski: that was the assumption it was made in the neutron mid-cycle | 21:27 |
| mriedem | alaski: maybe just having their use cases doc'ed somewhere would be helpful? | 21:28 |
| mriedem | idk | 21:28 |
| alaski | mlavalle: yes, that's where current deployers have faced scaling issues | 21:28 |
| alaski | mlavalle: well, mostly. but they've overcome control plane issues | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | alaski: we think that routed networks will help with the data plane issues | 21:29 |
| alaski | mriedem: that's a great idea | 21:29 |
| alaski | mlavalle: that's my hope as well | 21:29 |
| mriedem | alaski: is it also a great idea if you doc those? :P | 21:29 |
| mriedem | b/c i don't know the details | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | or we could ask those guys to doc them in an etherpad | 21:29 |
| mriedem | and we distill that into somtehing else | 21:29 |
| doffm | mlavalle: Want to help out with the routed networks docs for that? | 21:30 |
| alaski | heh, I don't either(just some about rax). But I can reach out to people to ask them to write some things | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | alaski: I am part of that effort. and i'll continue attending this meeting, a cocnluesion is reached that we need to tackle also from the control plane | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | doffm: yeah | 21:30 |
| alaski | mriedem: +1. I'd like to get everyone to doc it in their own words | 21:30 |
| alaski | then distill | 21:30 |
| mriedem | #action get CERN/Rackspace/GoDaddy to doc their cells + networking use cases somewhere (etherpad most likely) | 21:30 |
| mriedem | i can poke people | 21:31 |
| alaski | okay, you know who at each place? | 21:31 |
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| mriedem | klindgren at godaddy, belmoria at cern, you at rax :) | 21:31 |
| mriedem | i don't know a specific rax networking person | 21:32 |
| alaski | hah, close enough for now | 21:32 |
| alaski | tbh I don't know either right now | 21:32 |
| alaski | johnthetubaguy might | 21:32 |
| alaski | I would've said mlavalle not too long ago | 21:32 |
| mriedem | i'll also post to the ops list | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | alaski: in RAX, ping Ryan Clevenger (clev) | 21:33 |
| mriedem | and poke some specific people | 21:33 |
| alaski | mlavalle: great, thanks | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | alaski: clev doesn't know, but the people who know work for him | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | alaski: most likely, ahill | 21:33 |
| alaski | mlavalle: for control plane scaling I would love to be involved in any conversations on the Neutron side. But I also think we can keep those details hidden from Nova, and just rely on routed networks for coordination | 21:34 |
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| mlavalle | alaski: there is no scaling up work taking place in Neutron's control plane right now | 21:34 |
| doffm | mlavalle: Get together with russellb to discuss control plane scaling this week? | 21:35 |
| mriedem | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cells-networking-use-cases | 21:35 |
| mlavalle | alaski: what I meant earlier is that I am working on Routed Networks and I will monitor your work on Nova side, in case we need to re-visit on the Neutron side | 21:35 |
| alaski | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cells-networking-use-cases | 21:35 |
| alaski | mlavalle: okay | 21:36 |
| alaski | that was essentially your agenda item right mriedem? | 21:37 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:37 |
| alaski | cool | 21:37 |
| alaski | anything else today? | 21:37 |
| mriedem | there were other things in the agenda | 21:37 |
| mriedem | db migrations and summit talks | 21:37 |
| mriedem | or are those old? | 21:37 |
| alaski | they're old | 21:37 |
| alaski | doffm: you mentioned some specs yesterday | 21:38 |
| bauzas | I guess that we'll be calling the wrap due to FF next week ? | 21:38 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i hope so :) | 21:38 |
| bauzas | so I'd like to know which changes are really prio | 21:38 |
| mriedem | we can get the flavors db thing in this week | 21:38 |
| bauzas | for Mitaka I mean | 21:38 |
| doffm | alaski: I did, but I don't have those specs finished. Might as well discuss when they are. I'm working on db migrations specs for Newton. | 21:38 |
| mriedem | i don't know the other changes | 21:38 |
| alaski | bauzas: start here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263926/11 :) | 21:38 |
| alaski | doffm: okay | 21:38 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: I saw the convo by scrollbacking | 21:38 |
| bauzas | mriedem: so the consensus is to not wait for the flavor spec ? | 21:39 |
| bauzas | alaski: ack, right in my pipe | 21:39 |
| mriedem | bauzas: we're going to mark root_gb as nullable=True | 21:39 |
| mriedem | bauzas: we're going to punt on the decision | 21:39 |
| mriedem | doffm can update the patch and i'll +2 | 21:39 |
| bauzas | okay, I should read the logs carefully | 21:39 |
| alaski | bauzas: flavor db migration, nova-manage changes, and my series. I think those are the prio unless I'm forgetting something | 21:39 |
| bauzas | okay, nice | 21:39 |
| doffm | mriedem: Hokay. | 21:39 |
| bauzas | alaski: okay, we can sprint those | 21:40 |
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| alaski | this does remind me. after FF we'll probably want to back off to less regular meetings while RC1 is being worked | 21:41 |
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| bauzas | fair point | 21:41 |
| bauzas | RC1 will probably take me a lot of time | 21:41 |
| alaski | doffm: mriedem last cycle we went to every other week due to the slowdown that occurs | 21:42 |
| alaski | because outside of some specs and summit prep not much happens | 21:42 |
| doffm | Sounds good. | 21:42 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:42 |
| mriedem | ops email sent for networking | 21:42 |
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| mriedem | klindgren pinged | 21:42 |
| mriedem | my job is done | 21:42 |
| alaski | we'll workout the weeks and timeslot when FF hits | 21:42 |
| alaski | mriedem: excellent work | 21:43 |
| alaski | anything else? | 21:43 |
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| mriedem | nope | 21:43 |
| doffm | No. | 21:43 |
| alaski | great | 21:43 |
| alaski | I can go watch for the tornadoes supposedly headed this way | 21:43 |
| alaski | thanks all! | 21:43 |
| doffm | Thanks. | 21:43 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 24 21:43:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-02-24-21.00.html | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-02-24-21.00.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-02-24-21.00.log.html | 21:43 |
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