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| soichi | hello | 05:30 |
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| kaz | hi | 05:30 |
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| soichi | i'll come at 0630 UTC | 05:35 |
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| reedip | now I am confused | 06:17 |
| reedip | has the time changed? | 06:17 |
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| yamamot__ | reedip: i think it hasn't been officially changed yet. | 06:24 |
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| yamamot__ | until irc-meetings change is merged | 06:25 |
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| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 06:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 06:30:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 06:30 |
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| anil_rao | Hi | 06:30 |
| yamamot__ | hi | 06:30 |
| soichi | hi | 06:30 |
| kaz | hi | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | #topic Preparation status for the summit... | 06:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Preparation status for the summit... (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:31 | |
| anil_rao | We are working on the TaaS Tech Talk presentation slides | 06:32 |
| anil_rao | I recorded the TaaS demo yesterday. I'll upload it somewhere and send out a link. | 06:32 |
| soichi | anil_rao: thank you | 06:33 |
| reedip | youtube ? | 06:33 |
| reedip | if nothing proprietary is there | 06:33 |
| anil_rao | reedip: The final presentation will eventually get on YouTube. | 06:33 |
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| reedip | Keeping the demo on Youtube can also help during the summit | 06:34 |
| anil_rao | reedip: The one I will upload doesn't have any voice because we will be speaking when the demo is played at the Summit. | 06:34 |
| reedip | Okay, then whatever method seems correct :) | 06:34 |
| anil_rao | I will put it up someone and provide you all with a link. May be tomorrow. | 06:35 |
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| anil_rao | I have also added a section on TaaS for consideration as a topic for the Design Summit | 06:35 |
| anil_rao | Let's see if it gets picked up. | 06:35 |
| reedip | as per yesterday's meeting | 06:36 |
| reedip | for networking | 06:36 |
| reedip | there is a cross-project and *-aas Session on tuesday | 06:36 |
| reedip | wait | 06:36 |
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| yamamot__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 06:37 |
| reedip | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-future-adv-services | 06:37 |
| soichi | i think *aaS session will be on 27th Wednesday | 06:37 |
| reedip | soichi: yes | 06:38 |
| reedip | anil_rao, yamamot__ ( how many nics do you have ??? ) fawadkhaliq, we can start putting our point of discussion on this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-future-adv-services | 06:38 |
| yamamot__ | it seems empty | 06:39 |
| anil_rao | reedip: Didn't follow the question on how many nics? | 06:39 |
| reedip | it was for yamamot__ | 06:40 |
| reedip | yes, its empty right now | 06:40 |
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| fawadkhaliq | reedip maybe neutron guys already have something like this | 06:41 |
| fawadkhaliq | can you please double check | 06:41 |
| yamamot__ | reedip: it somehow changes on every reconnect | 06:41 |
| reedip | I dont know the technical glitches affecting it , I got the link from the summit page .. | 06:42 |
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| yamamot__ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9109?goback=1 | 06:43 |
| yamamot__ | i guess this session is not intended to cover taas. | 06:44 |
| soichi | i think so, too | 06:46 |
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| anil_rao | OK, let's move to the next topic | 06:47 |
| anil_rao | #topic The start time of weekly TaaS IRC | 06:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The start time of weekly TaaS IRC (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:47 | |
| anil_rao | Any objections? | 06:48 |
| reedip | *-aas is not limited to LB/FW and VPN. As Taas is also a part of the Neutron Family, I would like to see TaaS participating here as well | 06:48 |
| reedip | no objection | 06:48 |
| yamamot__ | reedip: sure. let's ping dougwig/sridar to confirm | 06:48 |
| yamamot__ | anil_rao: no objection | 06:49 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304383/ | 06:49 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: no objection | 06:50 |
| yamamot__ | i submitted irc-meetings change. please vote +1 if it's ok for you. i'll remove workflow -1 if i see no -1 votes. | 06:50 |
| anil_rao | yamamot__: Will do. | 06:50 |
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| anil_rao | done | 06:51 |
| reedip | +1 | 06:51 |
| fawadkhaliq | +! | 06:52 |
| fawadkhaliq | +1 | 06:52 |
| anil_rao | #topic Open Discussion | 06:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:53 | |
| reedip | someone had a question ( simhon ) on #openstack-meeting-4 | 06:53 |
| reedip | I asked him to come here and ask the Taas telated query | 06:54 |
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| simhon | yes, | 06:54 |
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| reedip | hi simhon, go ahead | 06:54 |
| simhon | I run Liberty on Ubuntu with ovs 2.0.2 | 06:54 |
| simhon | <simhon> configured taas service and taas flow | 06:54 |
| simhon | <simhon> the ingress (in) to a vm does not work | 06:54 |
| simhon | <simhon> since the rule on the ovs use vlan as a match but traffic comes without vlan | 06:54 |
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| simhon | packets=0, n_bytes=0, idle_age=259, priority=20,dl_vlan=3,dl_dst=fa:16:3e:d3:60:16 actions=NORMAL,mod_vlan_vid:3901,output:11 | 06:54 |
| simhon | <simhon> as you can see this rule never hit | 06:54 |
| simhon | <simhon> because the match expects vlan | 06:54 |
| simhon | <simhon> any reason for the vlan ??? | 06:54 |
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| simhon | the egress to the vm works just fine. problem is on the ingress only | 06:55 |
| anil_rao | simhon: Are you running in a single node DevStack or on the Network node? | 06:55 |
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| simhon | single node DevStack | 06:55 |
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| anil_rao | I am guessing you have a br-ex in your OVS | 06:56 |
| simhon | yes. but the ovs rules are running in br-int only | 06:56 |
| anil_rao | OK, we currently have a problem with traffic coming in from br-ex because the vlan tag is not being set there. | 06:57 |
| anil_rao | To answer your question, current ML2 logic | 06:57 |
| anil_rao | uses vlan ids to separate out traffic between different virtual networks on a host. | 06:58 |
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| anil_rao | We (TaaS) do the same thing to separate out mirrored traffic belonging to a tap-service instance from regular (production) | 06:58 |
| anil_rao | traffic and from traffic beloning to other tap-service instances. | 06:58 |
| yamamot__ | simhon: do you think it's same issue as this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1544176 | 06:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1544176 in tap-as-a-service "br-int with Normal action" [Undecided,New] | 06:59 |
| simhon | Anil, thanks a lot for your answer. | 07:00 |
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| anil_rao | yamamot__: That might be the same problem. | 07:00 |
| anil_rao | We are seeing vlan tags in only one direction with br-ex. | 07:00 |
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| anil_rao | As I had mentioned last week or the week before I'll look into it. | 07:01 |
| simhon | Anil: I work at imVision Tech. where we do security app for NFV using BA and machine learning - we work together with Intel and we have some requirements from Taas that we would like to discuss with you | 07:01 |
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| simhon | Anil: could we have a open conf call together to discuss these requirements and see how they can be fullfilled using taas | 07:02 |
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| anil_rao | simhon: I am ok with the conf call but if you don't mind can you also please write something up on the Neutron mailing list. | 07:03 |
| anil_rao | We typically use the [taas] tag following [openstack-dev][neutron] | 07:03 |
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| simhon | Anil: Sure. | 07:04 |
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| anil_rao | Perfect | 07:04 |
| anil_rao | soichi,kaz: Can I discuss some dashboard items with you. | 07:05 |
| soichi | sure | 07:05 |
| reedip | I would not suggest openstack-dev for now .. openstack would be better | 07:06 |
| reedip | openstack-dev is mainly for developers | 07:06 |
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| reedip | but thats my opinion | 07:06 |
| anil_rao | Firstly, the TaaS dashboard looks and works great! | 07:06 |
| soichi | thank you | 07:06 |
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| anil_rao | I did run into some issues that I would like to bring to your attention. | 07:07 |
| soichi | yes | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | The main problem was getting it installed. The instructions provided seem to have a compatibility issue because -egg-info doesn't get created. | 07:07 |
| anil_rao | If we unstack, replace the original horizon with the new one and add the TaaS patch and then stack. | 07:08 |
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| anil_rao | Seems like a DevStack problem perhaps. When I replaced the original horizon tree with the replacement containing the TaaS patch before the first stack.sh completed, everything worked fine. | 07:09 |
| anil_rao | Just thought I'd mention it. | 07:10 |
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| soichi | Kaz, do you have any comments? | 07:10 |
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| kaz | I did not the reason yet. | 07:11 |
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| kaz | i did not find ... | 07:11 |
| anil_rao | Its something that we can look into. No hurry. | 07:11 |
| anil_rao | Another issue... | 07:11 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : maybe horizon is not pointing to the correct location in devstack | 07:12 |
| anil_rao | When I try to create a tap-flow from the topology page, I see a warning indicating that the form didn't get posted correctly and to try again. However, there is also a success popup. | 07:12 |
| anil_rao | The tap-flow gets created properly but I was wondering why that warning appears. It comes every time | 07:13 |
| soichi | okay, we will check on our site. | 07:13 |
| reedip | I will also try the patch tomorrow once | 07:13 |
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| anil_rao | soichi: This only happens when creating a tap-flow from the topology page. The warning is not there if I create a tap-flow from the tap-services tab. | 07:14 |
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| soichi | thank you for your information | 07:14 |
| kaz | thank you , i will check. | 07:15 |
| anil_rao | soichi,kaz: Thanks. | 07:15 |
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| reedip | anil_rao : one point for future , it seems ( I got some positive news from my own end as well ) , that the interest in TaaS is growing a bit | 07:16 |
| reedip | if a lot of users and devs are interested in it, having a dedicated channel for discussion may be useful | 07:16 |
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| reedip | once it gathers enough momentum | 07:16 |
| reedip | yamamot__ once the patch merges, can you also send a mail on the ML, so that everyone gets to know of the time change ( people may forget it by next week ...) | 07:18 |
| yamamot__ | it brings us back to the channel naming discussion :-) | 07:18 |
| yamamot__ | sure | 07:18 |
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| anil_rao_ | How do we co-ordinate the merge of Takashi's patch that will remove network from tap-service-create? | 07:20 |
| reedip | yamamot__ lets see the response in the Austin summit ( hoping for a good turnout) | 07:20 |
| anil_rao_ | The TaaS dashboard has a dependency... | 07:20 |
| reedip | anil_rao_ : Let it merge! nd then gather up the pieces :) | 07:20 |
| reedip | yamamot__ 's patch is more important | 07:21 |
| reedip | because other wise a lot of dependant patches would break if that patch is not merged | 07:21 |
| anil_rao_ | OK | 07:21 |
| yamamot__ | is it difficult to update the dashboard not to pass the network? anyway no hurry. | 07:21 |
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| reedip | anil_rao_ , yamamot_ If the TaaS demo is working fine, then merging yamamot__ 's patch would not be an issue | 07:22 |
| anil_rao_ | reedip: I have already recorded the demo, so we are good for the Summit Presentation. | 07:22 |
| yamamot__ | sure, we don't need to use the latest master for demo | 07:22 |
| soichi | yamamot_: we'd like to answer until next week | 07:22 |
| reedip | so we can go ahead ... | 07:23 |
| yamamot__ | considering that dashboard needs a major work (ie rebase/rewrite for master) anyway, i guess removing network-id is trivial :-) | 07:24 |
| soichi | agree | 07:24 |
| reedip | 1minute | 07:24 |
| reedip | and counting | 07:24 |
| anil_rao_ | The good thing is that the TaaS Dashboard doesn't ask the user to input the network id. | 07:25 |
| yamamot__ | anil_rao_: can you give me a permission to triage LP bugs? | 07:25 |
| anil_rao_ | reedip: We still have 5 min. | 07:25 |
| reedip | damn my watch! | 07:25 |
| anil_rao_ | ;-) | 07:26 |
| reedip | happens everytime, sorry | 07:26 |
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| anil_rao_ | yamamot__: I am not sure what is the problem with the permissions. Let's ask Vinay | 07:27 |
| reedip | Currently the owner of LP for Taas is Vinay | 07:27 |
| anil_rao_ | Any other issues that need discussion? | 07:27 |
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| reedip | it should ideally be a group which includes Vinay, Anil, Soichi and Yamamoto | 07:28 |
| soichi | i have no topic | 07:28 |
| yamamot__ | nothing from me | 07:28 |
| anil_rao_ | reedip: We'll fix that | 07:28 |
| reedip | I have started investigating the L2 migration of Taas to OVS , with some help from davidsha and the current QoS model | 07:28 |
| reedip | just an update ^^ | 07:28 |
| yamamot__ | reedip: great | 07:28 |
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| anil_rao_ | Nice | 07:29 |
| reedip | and also working with rtheis for migration to Openstackclient ( migration would be finished sooner than expected) | 07:29 |
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| reedip | thats it from my end! | 07:29 |
| anil_rao_ | reedip: +1 | 07:29 |
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| anil_rao_ | soichi,kaz: You will be coming to Austin, right? | 07:29 |
| soichi | yes | 07:30 |
| kaz | yes | 07:30 |
| anil_rao_ | Look forward to seeing all of you there. | 07:30 |
| soichi | sure | 07:30 |
| anil_rao_ | reedip: Get your visa soon. | 07:30 |
| reedip | not in my hands :D | 07:30 |
| reedip | wish it was :( | 07:31 |
| anil_rao_ | reedip: I hope it comes in time. | 07:31 |
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| yamamot__ | anil_rao_: +1 | 07:31 |
| anil_rao_ | okay we are out of time. talk to you all next week. | 07:31 |
| reedip | I hope it comes before the presentation, worst case I would be travelling on 28th | 07:31 |
| anil_rao_ | #endmeeting | 07:31 |
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| reedip | and reach to the presentation directly :P | 07:31 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 07:31:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-04-13-06.30.html | 07:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-04-13-06.30.txt | 07:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-04-13-06.30.log.html | 07:31 |
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| soichi | see you next week at *0530* UTC | 07:31 |
| yamamot__ | bye | 07:31 |
| kaz | bye | 07:31 |
| reedip | soichi : the patch is not merged! | 07:31 |
| reedip | :P | 07:31 |
| anil_rao_ | Bye | 07:32 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 08:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 08:00 |
| robcresswell | Anyone around for drivers meeting? | 08:00 |
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| ifat_afek | robcresswell: hi, we have Vitrage weekly meeting on this channel ... | 08:01 |
| mrunge | oops :D | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | every week at this hour :-) | 08:01 |
| itxaka | lmao | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | Hmm, there wasnt a conflict on the patch... | 08:01 |
| ifat_afek | we are looking for the file now, but we are using openstack-meeting-3 for 5 months already | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | The Vitrage meeting is in an hours time. 900 UTC. | 08:02 |
| alexey_weyl | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Vitrage_Team_Meeting | 08:02 |
| ifat_afek | or could it be a problem with daylight saving time? | 08:02 |
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| robcresswell | I think you're an hour early :) | 08:03 |
| mrunge | yeah, now it's 8 UTC, not 9 UTC | 08:03 |
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| ifat_afek | ok, so we'll have our meeting an hour later, and we'll check it for next time | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Horizon_Drivers_Meeting | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | Is the relevant link for this meeting, 800 UTC | 08:04 |
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| robcresswell | thanks ifat_afek | 08:04 |
| ifat_afek | Vitrage guys - we have some daylight saving time issues, meeting is postponed in an hour | 08:04 |
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| robcresswell | So, attempt no. 2... who's around for drivers meeting? :D | 08:05 |
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| itxaka | o/ | 08:06 |
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| itxaka | \o | 08:06 |
| robcresswell | Quiet one. | 08:06 |
| mrunge | yeah, silent | 08:07 |
| kenji-i_ | Hello! o/ | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | o/ kenji-i_ | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | Lets run through some notices | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 08:08 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Horizon%3A | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | This is likely to be the final summit schedule | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | I've drawn the info from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-newton-summit | 08:09 |
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| robcresswell | Added a few discussion points and an etherpad for each session. | 08:09 |
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| robcresswell | Any questions? | 08:10 |
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| itxaka | I see that there is no bullet point to talk about horizon/openstack_dashboard split | 08:11 |
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| itxaka | is that something that would be interesting to add? | 08:11 |
| itxaka | I heard about it in some emails from time to time | 08:11 |
| mrunge | itxaka, I believe, that ship has sailed | 08:11 |
| mrunge | and it has been buried | 08:11 |
| itxaka | good | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | I disagree that it has sailed, but I don't think it is top of the list right now. There are more pressing issues | 08:12 |
| robcresswell | We can discuss it more over the half day meetup | 08:12 |
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| mrunge | ok, we decided not to do this, because it woulr harm horizon in angular no? | 08:12 |
| robcresswell | The issue I have with it is that currently the plugin system works with Horizon and o_d as a dependency | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | Iknow our plugin for one, imports code from both | 08:13 |
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| mrunge | yeah | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | separating horizon would likely break most plugins, and o_d too, unless we were very careful | 08:13 |
| mrunge | how to handle dependencies? | 08:14 |
| mrunge | unless we're going to drop python code completely? | 08:14 |
| mrunge | something krotscheck will love :D | 08:14 |
| robcresswell | And it doesn't actually gain us that much; yes architecturally it makes more sense, but I would rather we invested our time into scale improvements | 08:14 |
| robcresswell | or improving plugin installation or settings handling or the overviews etc etc | 08:15 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, the other thing which *I* would like to see is something like making it easier to add/install plugins into horizon | 08:15 |
| itxaka | mrunge +1 | 08:15 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: I've got Stevedore on my list, working on a POC in my spare time | 08:15 |
| mrunge | i.e. integrate plugins better in horizon eco-system | 08:15 |
| mrunge | oh, great :D | 08:15 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, there is already the patch from radomir | 08:16 |
| robcresswell | I want to drop enabled files for example | 08:16 |
| robcresswell | I didnt know radomir had a patch for stevedore? | 08:16 |
| mrunge | he was working with .ini files | 08:16 |
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| mrunge | and I would think he had it done with stevedor | 08:17 |
| mrunge | not sure if we're supposed to take oslo.foo instead of stevedore directly | 08:17 |
| itxaka | droping enabled files, sounds interesting | 08:17 |
| robcresswell | If he was using ini's, I imagine he would have done it via oslo conf rather than setup.cfg? | 08:17 |
| mrunge | I think he was earlier than oslo.conf being implemented | 08:18 |
| mrunge | and iirc, oslo.conf is using stevedore | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | ha, ahead of his time | 08:18 |
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| mrunge | yes | 08:18 |
| mrunge | and since all other components are using oslo.conf, we should be using that, no? | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | I don't fully know the intertwining of stevedore and oslo conf right now. Still looking at Neutron implementations and working out how best to use it. | 08:18 |
| mrunge | (just thinking loudly) | 08:19 |
| robcresswell | Ideally all plugin conf could just be defined within the plugin, so no copying of enabled etc. | 08:19 |
| robcresswell | And no updating of enabled files if the plugin changes | 08:19 |
| mrunge | ihrachyska gave a presentation on how to implement a config system based on .ini files | 08:20 |
| mrunge | let me try to find the video | 08:20 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAmZhXtIIXc | 08:22 |
| robcresswell | thanks mrunge | 08:22 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, you just should come to visit fosdem that means ;-) | 08:22 |
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| mrunge | so, back to plugins | 08:23 |
| mrunge | with big tend, I have the feeling, OpenStack is diverging quicker and quicker | 08:23 |
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| mrunge | but we could provide something like a core collection of plugins, supporting something like a core of projects | 08:24 |
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| robcresswell | Thats effectively what we're moving towards now. Horizon really supports the core projects, and plugins move out | 08:24 |
| robcresswell | FWaaS and VPNaaS should move out soon | 08:24 |
| robcresswell | Both are plugins. | 08:24 |
| mrunge | yeah, right. | 08:25 |
| mrunge | but I would be drawing the circle a bit bigger | 08:25 |
| mrunge | or would be including more plugins for something like a common core (need a better name) | 08:26 |
| robcresswell | I'm not sure we have the scope to achieve it | 08:26 |
| robcresswell | Right now it depends entirely on the service team, and we offer support where possible | 08:27 |
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| mrunge | looking at the last survey, in about 60% of installations horizon is installed | 08:27 |
| robcresswell | I'd like to build up a liaison list if possible and work closer with those people | 08:27 |
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| itxaka | mrunge on _production_ 60%, then on test+poc it shoots up to about 90% of installations where horizon is installed IIRC | 08:28 |
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| robcresswell | Have also opened the fishbowl to feedback from plugins this summit | 08:29 |
| mrunge | great | 08:29 |
| robcresswell | itxaka: Probably because UIs are great for POC :) | 08:29 |
| robcresswell | But that -30% is primarily due to scale I would imagine. | 08:29 |
| mrunge | uhm, we should ask operators, which panels they do use, and which are useless for them | 08:29 |
| mrunge | because of scale or so | 08:29 |
| robcresswell | If you try and load a few hundred of X resource on Horizon, it falls over. Launching 1k instances for example. | 08:30 |
| mrunge | i.e metering is a mess, admin/overview as well | 08:30 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, it became better already | 08:30 |
| robcresswell | metering can be dropped | 08:30 |
| itxaka | robcresswell, not really! I launched 45k instances with the ng launch instance the other day! | 08:30 |
| itxaka | didnt fail at all! | 08:30 |
| mrunge | but display the list of 45k instances | 08:31 |
| mrunge | or list 10k of volumes | 08:31 |
| itxaka | it was weird as it didnt report for like 30 minutes :D | 08:31 |
| itxaka | indeed, the display was a killer | 08:31 |
| robcresswell | itxaka: Really? We had a bug report last week where launching 1k instances caused the panel to fail | 08:31 |
| robcresswell | itxaka: Out of curiosity, was it the polling or the data query? | 08:31 |
| mrunge | robcresswell, if you're doing lots of nova create/destroy in a short time, admin/overview page will time out afterwards | 08:32 |
| robcresswell | mrunge: Yeah, admin overview is another pain point. I'd like to look at improving Instances and Networks first, then overviews. | 08:33 |
| robcresswell | ofc, there are multiple contributors, so that can be parallel :) | 08:33 |
| itxaka | Cant remember robcresswell, was actually not testing the creation/display of instances :) | 08:33 |
| mrunge | let's collect feedback from operators about that, robcresswell | 08:33 |
| robcresswell | Absolutely | 08:34 |
| robcresswell | Any other discussion points re: summit? | 08:36 |
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| robcresswell | I think we can skip bp review given the attendance today, so will call the meeting unless there is anything else. | 08:39 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 08:41 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 08:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 08:41:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-04-13-08.00.html | 08:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-04-13-08.00.txt | 08:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-04-13-08.00.log.html | 08:41 |
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| itxaka | o/ | 08:42 |
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| ifat_afek | #startmeeting vitrage | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 09:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ifat_afek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vitrage' | 09:00 |
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| lhartal | Hi :) | 09:00 |
| ifat_afek | Hi everyone :-) | 09:00 |
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| ifat_afek | We have some daylight saving time issues, so our meeting turned out one hour late. I'll check it for next week | 09:01 |
| elisha_r | hi | 09:01 |
| eyalb | hi | 09:01 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek check vitrage meeting time | 09:01 |
| ifat_afek | let's wait for more people to arrive | 09:01 |
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| idan_hefetz | Hi | 09:04 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Current status | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (Meeting topic: vitrage)" | 09:05 | |
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| ifat_afek | As you might have heard, the TC elections are over. Here are the results, in case you are interested: | 09:05 |
| ifat_afek | #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_fef5cc22eb3dc27a | 09:05 |
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| mkoushnir | Hi | 09:05 |
| alexey_weyl | Hi | 09:05 |
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| ifat_afek | Another update: OPNFV Doctor added JIRA issues for their coming release (Colorado), and one issue is about Vitrage integration | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/DOCTOR-57 | 09:06 |
| ifat_afek | Aodh updates: idan_hefetz, do you want to start? | 09:06 |
| idan_hefetz | Sure | 09:06 |
| idan_hefetz | Regarding Notifiers and aodh-notifier plugin, The main changes are in since yesterday | 09:07 |
| idan_hefetz | Also, aodh alarms that have a resource id in the query, it will be added to the graph with the correct neighbors | 09:08 |
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| idan_hefetz | I have another small change, and some more tests before this task is done | 09:09 |
| ifat_afek | idan_hefetz: cool | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | I added support for the case that there is an aodh alarm with no resource | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | And I have a bug to fix, related to both aodh and nagios. After that - I'll close the blueprint. Hopefully it will happen tomorrow | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/vitrage/+spec/synchronizer-aodh-get-all | 09:10 |
| ifat_afek | who wants to update next? | 09:11 |
| lhartal | I will | 09:11 |
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| lhartal | I pushed the Synchronizer name refactoring last week | 09:12 |
| ifat_afek | lhartal: you mean the data sources name refactoring ;-) | 09:12 |
| lhartal | yes | 09:13 |
| lhartal | now we dont use synchronizer and plugin termilogy anymore | 09:13 |
| lhartal | only datasource and driver. Each datasource must contain driver and transformer | 09:14 |
| lhartal | the transformer is activated by the processor and the driver responsible for the connection to the datasource | 09:15 |
| lhartal | elisha_r is now working on update Vitrage documentation | 09:16 |
| lhartal | and we still need to change the SyncMode and SyncType names | 09:17 |
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| lhartal | now I'm working on templates content validation. hopefully by the end of the day it will be pushed | 09:18 |
| ifat_afek | lhartal: cool, thank | 09:19 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: can you update about the documentation? | 09:19 |
| elisha_r | sure | 09:19 |
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| elisha_r | So I'm almost done with reviewing all our documentation which is accessible from the wiki. Hope to complete it all (minus comments from reviewers) today. | 09:20 |
| elisha_r | In addition, I'll be adding a "Getting Started Guide" today, to make using vitrage and getting familiar with it's templates and datasources easy | 09:21 |
| elisha_r | Thats it | 09:21 |
| ifat_afek | elisha_r: sounds great. we really need the "getting started guide" | 09:22 |
| alexey_weyl | Yes, I would love to give some updates as well | 09:22 |
| alexey_weyl | We are working on the tempests and its infrastructure | 09:23 |
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| alexey_weyl | it is advancing well | 09:23 |
| alexey_weyl | in addition Noam is working with openstack-config project to enter the tempest to the gate | 09:23 |
| alexey_weyl | finished | 09:25 |
| ifat_afek | alexey_weyl: great. adding the tempest tests to the gate is very important, as we hope to apply to the TC soon, to include Vitrage in the big tent | 09:26 |
| ifat_afek | is mkoushnir working with you on that? or is she writing other tempest tests? | 09:26 |
| ifat_afek | mkoushnir: can you update? | 09:26 |
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| ifat_afek | ok, let's move on for now | 09:28 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Austin preparations | 09:28 |
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| ifat_afek | Links to Vitrage sessions in Austin: | 09:28 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8177 | 09:28 |
| ifat_afek | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8963 | 09:28 |
| ifat_afek | We want to have a code-freeze tomorrow, and mark Vitrage first stable release. In the beginning of next week I’ll send you the details of if and how to fix bugs on this stable release | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | Let’s discuss the other things we need to do for Austin | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | • Description support in Templates - lhartal? | 09:29 |
| lhartal | done | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | • List of default Templates + testing – danoffek | 09:29 |
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| ifat_afek | • Installation - First Steps Guide - elisha_r | 09:29 |
| elisha_r | sure. I'm on it | 09:29 |
| ifat_afek | • Aodh – Installation requirements testing + How to install without Aodh – eddie_lechtus | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | • pip Install – danoffek / nbloom | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | • Run Vitrage tempest tests in the gate : nbloom + alexey_weyl | 09:30 |
| alexey_weyl | I am on it | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | • Tempest - Support more templates (RCA + Leftovers) : mkoushnir, alexey_weyl | 09:30 |
| ifat_afek | • Entity graph, including Cinder data, changing the tabs order – GuyA | 09:31 |
| ifat_afek | • UI Bug fixes, improvements and auto refresh - aheller | 09:31 |
| ifat_afek | • Aodh get all - ifat_afek | 09:31 |
| ifat_afek | We already discussed it | 09:31 |
| ifat_afek | • Aodh notifier - idan_hefetz | 09:31 |
| ifat_afek | I'll set action items for all of these things | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | #action danoffek List of default Templates + testing | 09:32 |
| emalin | ין | 09:32 |
| emalin | Hi | 09:32 |
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| ifat_afek | #action elisha_r Getting Started Guide | 09:32 |
| ifat_afek | #action eddie_lechtus Aodh – Installation requirements testing + How to install without Aodh | 09:33 |
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| ifat_afek | #action pip install | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek | #action nbloom Run Vitrage tempest tests in the gate | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek | #action alexey_weyl Tempest - Support more templates (RCA + Leftovers) | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek | #action GuyA Entity graph, including Cinder data, changing the tabs order | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek | #action aheller UI Bug fixes, improvements and auto refresh | 09:33 |
| ifat_afek | #action ifat_afek aodh get all | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | #action idan_hefetz aodh notifier | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | that's it... moving on | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Review action items | 09:34 |
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| ifat_afek | • add blueprints for Newton | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | I guess none of us had the time to do it... moved to next week | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | #action add blueprints for Newton | 09:34 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Next Steps | 09:35 |
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| ifat_afek | nothing special here | 09:35 |
| ifat_afek | #topic Open Discussion | 09:35 |
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| ifat_afek | Anyone wants to raise any issue? | 09:35 |
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| ifat_afek | So we are done for today. Goodbye :-) | 09:38 |
| elisha_r | bye | 09:38 |
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| ifat_afek | #endmeeting | 09:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 09:39:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-04-13-09.00.html | 09:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-04-13-09.00.txt | 09:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vitrage/2016/vitrage.2016-04-13-09.00.log.html | 09:39 |
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| a_goyal | Hi all, I have suggested a new blueprint for Horizon, please have a look at it, and provide your feedback on this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/instance-migration-across-different-network | 12:06 |
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| qwebirc84569 | Hi all, I have suggested a new blueprint for Horizon, please have a look at it, and provide your feedback on, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/add-user-role-field | 12:10 |
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| ducttape_ | qwebirc84569: what if a new user is needed in many projects - would that be supported ? | 12:22 |
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| qwebirc84569 | @ducttape Currently , in horizon , a new user can be associated to a single project (primary project) only. | 12:26 |
| ducttape_ | perhaps for new user setup - this is true. however it is a few more steps and they can be part of multiple projects | 12:27 |
| ducttape_ | just wondering if this would be changed as part of this bp, which it seems like not. thanks for clarification | 12:28 |
| ducttape_ | I think the new user setup and role assignment does have room for improvement, though | 12:29 |
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| qwebirc84569 | @ducttape I agree with you , but this can be future enhancement of our blueprint. Currently I am only suggesting addition of a new dropdown box for "role" while updating a user. | 12:31 |
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| sagar_nikam | Hi All | 13:01 |
| atuvenie | Hi | 13:01 |
| atuvenie | o/ | 13:01 |
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| lpetrut | Hi | 13:02 |
| abalutoiu_ | Hi | 13:02 |
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| itoader | Hi | 13:02 |
| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 13:02:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:02 |
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| alexpilotti | howdy folks | 13:04 |
| claudiub|2 | o/ | 13:04 |
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| alexpilotti | agenda is rather simple here: we worked on Mitaka release during last week, so not much to add | 13:05 |
| alexpilotti | we | 13:05 |
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| alexpilotti | we're having an MSI ready for release this week | 13:05 |
| alexpilotti | running tests on every possible supported platform, etc | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam_ | Hi All, back again | 13:05 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: do you have topics you'd like to talk about? | 13:07 |
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| alexpilotti | in the meantime: | 13:07 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic Newton Nova patches under review | 13:07 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: just wanted some info on CI and tempests for HyperV | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we are also planning to run tempest in our environment | 13:08 |
| alexpilotti | like for the Mitaka cycle, the Nova team has a priorities etherpad: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 13:08 |
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| alexpilotti | our first set of patches is there | 13:09 |
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| alexpilotti | mostly ancient patches rebased for the 1.000.000th time :) | 13:09 |
| alexpilotti | so as usual reviews are very welcome | 13:10 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: cluster and FC patch not ready yet for newton ? | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i dont see it in the list | 13:11 |
| alexpilotti | cluster is at the bottom of the list | 13:11 |
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| alexpilotti | last time we asked if you preferred cluster or FC first | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok saw it now | 13:12 |
| lpetrut | for FC, we have to get the Windows connectors in os-brick first | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam_ | cluster is preferred first | 13:12 |
| alexpilotti | there are some pacthes above that are waiting since 2-3 releases | 13:13 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | lpetrut: who needs to change in os-brick ? | 13:13 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: if you guys could review them as well, better, we might stand a chance to get them in faster | 13:13 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: sure | 13:13 |
| alexpilotti | next topic, if there are no questions | 13:14 |
| lpetrut | sagar_nikam: not sure I get what you mean, but this is the change that I depend on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275943/7 | 13:14 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | lpetrut: yes, i meant whether we need to do any change in os-brick | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam_ | it looks like not us | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam_ | from the patch you gave | 13:16 |
| lpetrut | that's the patch that the one adding Windows support (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272522/15) depends on | 13:16 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | ok got it | 13:18 |
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| alexpilotti | next | 13:19 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Hyper-V CI | 13:20 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: what info are you looking for in particular? | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: can you share some docs or ppt on how hyperV CI runs | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam_ | also how we need to run tempest for hyperv | 13:20 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: ociuhandu is running the CI team at Cloudbase | 13:22 |
| ociuhandu | hi sagar_nikam_ | 13:22 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | hi ociuhandu: | 13:23 |
| ociuhandu | the CIs we run are based on code available on our repositories: for Nova CI, the code is: https://github.com/cloudbase/nova-ci/ | 13:23 |
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| ociuhandu | the “jobs” folder includes the scripts that are directly called by jenkins, while the devstack and hyper-v folders contain the code executed directly on devstack/hyper-v | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:24 |
| ociuhandu | the code also ensures that the files are available on the node (i.e. on hyper-v we enforce git clone / pull of the scripts repo) | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam_ | how many hyperv hosts are required ? | 13:25 |
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| ociuhandu | we are working on having a real how-to guide written but it’s just work in progress, not done yet | 13:26 |
| ociuhandu | for any test we use 2 nodes | 13:26 |
| ociuhandu | since we also tet live migration | 13:26 |
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| ociuhandu | for other tests one host can be enough | 13:26 |
| ociuhandu | also, for live migration, hosts have to be part of a domain and all usual live-migration prerequisites have to be configured | 13:27 |
| ociuhandu | the scripts automatically detect if the host is part of a domain or not and start the services using the correct user | 13:27 |
| sagar_nikam_ | does the tempest tests do live migration tests ? | 13:28 |
| ociuhandu | yes, there are tempest live migration tests | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam_ | suppose i dont get 2 hosts for tests, can i ignore the live migration tests ? | 13:28 |
| ociuhandu | yes, sure | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:29 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | can you share the doc you are preparing on "how to", in current shape, we can review it | 13:30 |
| ociuhandu | see https://github.com/cloudbase/nova-ci/blob/cambridge/devstack_vm/devstack/local.sh#L40 | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam_ | and provide any feedback | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam_ | as well as use it | 13:30 |
| ociuhandu | I’ll sync with the team and get back to you on that, sure | 13:30 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | sure thanks | 13:31 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | how much time does it take to run all tempest tests ? | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam_ | for hyperv ? | 13:31 |
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| ociuhandu | the total execution time is around 40 minutes, it also depends on the hardware specs | 13:32 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:32 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | i would like to first run it in my dev environment, before i push it to my CI | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam_ | how can i do that ? | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam_ | controller + hyperv is fine, and from controller i can run tempests ? | 13:33 |
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| ociuhandu | yes | 13:34 |
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| ociuhandu | that’s what we do, we use devstack as controller and add 2 hyper-v nodes as compute | 13:34 |
| ociuhandu | and we run the tests from the devstack node | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok col | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam_ | cool | 13:34 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | i hope your "how to" guide will have instructions on this as well | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam_ | running tempest from devstack | 13:35 |
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| ociuhandu | if you go through the jobs section of the github folder, you can find all init, test, log-collection components there: https://github.com/cloudbase/nova-ci/blob/cambridge/jobs/run_tests.sh is running the tests | 13:36 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok sure | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i will try running it in my dev box first | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam_ | soon | 13:38 |
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| ociuhandu | great, you also have my skype id, let me know how it goes and if you have issues | 13:38 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | sure thanks | 13:39 |
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| alexpilotti | thanks ociuhandu! | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: we can move to next topic | 13:41 |
| ociuhandu | anytime | 13:41 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic OVS SSL/TLS | 13:41 |
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| alexpilotti | one are athat we are investigating is the SSL/ TLS support in the Neutron OVS agent | 13:42 |
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| alexpilotti | the main issue is a security concern related to the fact that OVSDB doesnt have per se an authentication scheme | 13:42 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: you mean if rabbitmq or db is SSL enabled ? | 13:42 |
| alexpilotti | on Linux this is solved by using Unix sockets | 13:42 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: no, just OVSDB | 13:42 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:43 |
| alexpilotti | but on Windows, we use TCP/IP | 13:43 |
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| alexpilotti | OVS supports SSL/TLS with client side authentication | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam_ | even rabbit and db SSL/TLS needs to be handled... if i am right | 13:43 |
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| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam_: rabbit does authentication by itslef | 13:44 |
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| alexpilotti | you an add SSL/TLS to include transport level encryption | 13:45 |
| alexpilotti | but you dont need client side certificates | 13:45 |
| alexpilotti | on OVSDB, if you dont use client side certs, EVERYBODY can issues ovsdb commands | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i mean if the messages on nova-conductor (for example) are TLS/SSL enabled, we may need to handle from nova compute | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i am still checking and will get back | 13:45 |
| alexpilotti | this has nothing to do with this issue, I mean, even in plain text, if you dont know rabbit's username / password, you dont connect | 13:46 |
| alexpilotti | on ovsdb, there's no username / password | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | also, you are possibly confusing server side X509 certificates with client side | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | the Neutron OVS agent doesnt have ATM a way to pass X509 certificate options | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | so, they need to be added | 13:47 |
| alexpilotti | we'll do that ASAP in Newton | 13:47 |
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| alexpilotti | for the record, the server side looks like this: | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | ovsdb-server.exe --remote=pssl:8888:0.0.0.0 --private-key=c:\openvswitch\var\lib\openvswitch\pki\controllerca\private\cakey.pem --certificate=c:\openvswitch\var\lib\openvswitch\pki\controllerca\cacert.pem --ca-cert=c:\openvswitch\var\lib\openvswitch\pki\controllerca\cacert.pem conf.db | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | and the client commands: | 13:49 |
| alexpilotti | ovs-vsctl.exe --db=ssl:127.0.0.1:8888 --private-key=test-privkey.pem --certificate=test-cert.pem --ca-cert=cacert.pem show | 13:49 |
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| alexpilotti | ok, so wanted to make sure that this was on everybody's radar, we'll most probably add this in the MSI installer as well for 2.5 | 13:50 |
| alexpilotti | that was my last topic for today :) | 13:50 |
| alexpilotti | #topic open discussion | 13:50 |
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| alexpilotti | anything to add in the last 10'? | 13:51 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: i have mailed you and introduced you to Monasca PTL and Freezer core reviewer | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | Otherwise, the espresso machine is invoking me! | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam_ | we discussed about it in last week IRC | 13:51 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | i hope you saw the mails | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | yes thanks! | 13:51 |
| alexpilotti | going to reply and set up a meeting ASAP | 13:51 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | since i am not at the summit, can you try to meet them | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam_ | whenever possible | 13:52 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | from my chats with Monasca PTL, there was some support for windows, which is broken today | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam_ | and for freezer, there is already some support, dont know how much | 13:53 |
| alexpilotti | for freezer there are the new RCT API which are worth being used | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam_ | ok | 13:53 |
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| sagar_nikam_ | monasca is used a lot in production for linux | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i mean KVM | 13:54 |
| alexpilotti | cool | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam_ | hopefully we will have hyperv support soon | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam_ | also sonu: sent a mail today to you. one of his team mate is coming to summit and he will attend your sessions | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | we are also very interested, as we're not satisfied with Nagios or other options | 13:55 |
| alexpilotti | that's great | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti agree, that's the reason we would like hyperv support for monasca | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: let me know if you need me to connect you to anybody from HPE | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | in summit | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i can do that | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | do you have people on Designate as well? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | can send a mail and request meetings | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | we need to add Windows DNS support there as well | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i think yes, let me check and get back | 13:57 |
| alexpilotti | ok thanks! | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam_ | alexpilotti: cool... that's nice | 13:58 |
| alexpilotti | we have 2' left, anything else you'd like to add? | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam_ | no nothing from me, do we have IRC meetings during summit time, i guess no | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam_ | just wanted a confirmation from you | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | correct, no IRC during summit unfortunately | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam_ | got it | 13:59 |
| alexpilotti | thanks y'all see you next week! | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam_ | i hope you and your team have a nice summit sessions and meetings | 13:59 |
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| alexpilotti | hopefully we'll meet at one of the next ones! | 14:00 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 14:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-04-13-13.02.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-04-13-13.02.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-04-13-13.02.log.html | 14:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 15:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
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| Kamil | o/ | 15:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | o/ | 15:00 |
| cbellucci | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | who is cbellucci? | 15:01 |
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| cbellucci | hi, Cristiano, new in Fujitsu :) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi, and welcome? | 15:01 |
| witek | EST, Munich | 15:01 |
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| cbellucci | thank you! I am glad to join | 15:02 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | so, last week i said i was hoping to review the monasca-transform project/repo that was recently added | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | however, i just got an update yesterday that they aren't ready yet | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | so, it will have to be another time | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | sorry about that | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | i dont' see an agenda | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | but, there are a lot of reviews | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | and some other topics that i'm sure we can discuss | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | if anyone wants to start out, that woudl be good | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | what are the most pressign reviews that i should take a look at? | 15:04 |
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| bklei | i don't have any -- but was wondering if we could tag/publish the latest monasca-notification? | 15:04 |
| bklei | wanted to pull in joe's fix | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | sure, i can do that | 15:05 |
| bklei | thanks! | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | or joe can | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | i'll try and have that done later today | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | witek: is there anything pressing from your side | 15:06 |
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| witek | i think we can merge this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301476/ | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, got it | 15:07 |
| witek | topic: metric_perioditicity is still not solved i thi | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i'll look at it again, later this morning | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i need to review the changes to monasca-thresh | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | and monasca-common | 15:08 |
| witek | we have found a bug in monasca-ui today | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | also craig needs to take a look at that one | 15:08 |
| witek | koji submitted the change | 15:08 |
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| witek | i think it should be merged to stable/mitaka as well | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | are you using stable/mitaka? | 15:09 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305118/ | 15:09 |
| witek | yes | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll look into merging to stable Mitaka | 15:10 |
| shinya_kwbt | koji's patch I have question | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | go ahead shinya | 15:10 |
| shinya_kwbt | To call grafana2 link try section | 15:11 |
| shinya_kwbt | Except section is for grafana1 | 15:11 |
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| shinya_kwbt | If GRAFANA_URL are given, Grafana2 is used | 15:12 |
| shinya_kwbt | I think ' grafana_url = getattr(settings, 'GRAFANA_URL').get(region, '')' doesn't work correctly. | 15:13 |
| shinya_kwbt | row 166 | 15:13 |
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| shinya_kwbt | row 175 # Catches case where Grafana 2 is not enabled. | 15:13 |
| witek | I haven't tested for Grafana 2 | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | so theere is a bug on line 166? | 15:15 |
| shinya_kwbt | I think so | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so i won't merge it | 15:16 |
| rbak | What's the problem you're seeing with line 166? | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | probably should leave a comment for Koji to investigate | 15:16 |
| shinya_kwbt | OK. I will comment after meeting. | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | thanks shinya | 15:17 |
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| witek | rbak: I add you as the reviewer | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | thx witek | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | so, are there any other pressing reviews to cover | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | i sometimes work of the squeeky wheel gets the gresses | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | which probably doesn't translate at all to german or japanese | 15:19 |
| rbak | I'd like to get this patched merged if possible | 15:19 |
| rbak | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298863/ | 15:19 |
| rbak | It's been sitting around for a while | 15:19 |
| witek | probably does, but i don't know how ;) | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, forgot all about that one review rbak | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | i'll take a look later today | 15:20 |
| rbak | thanks | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | ok, it sounds like we are done with reviews that need attention | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll try and get some eyes on the ones that were metioned today, and then get to the rest | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | in time | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | i updated the schedule for the summit for folks that will be there | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | Wednesday morning there are a number of sessions scheduled | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | and then one Wednesday afternoon early | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | the fourth session with be a joint one with Neutron and broadview to discuss network montioring | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | the fifth session if to talk about monasca-analytics and monasca-transform or anything else that comes up | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | the first two are general monasca overview, planning and feature discussions | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | and the third session is for logging | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | i hope everyone that is in austin an attend them all | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | also, for folks that are interested, On Tuesday at 4:20, we are planning on meeting with Vitrage | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | i've been exchanging emails with some of there developers | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | everyone is welcome to attend that discussion too | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | but i dont' have a location yet | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | this is not a formal presentation, but just something that we are trying to arrange while we are all in Austin | 15:25 |
| witek | I'd be interested | 15:25 |
| bklei | +1 | 15:25 |
| hosanai | rhochmuth: i'm interested in the meeting with Vitrage. | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | cool, i'm hoping for a descent turn-out | 15:26 |
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| witek | will Craig be in Austin? | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | there was someone else that was interested in meeting too, but i can't recall when/who right now | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | craig wont' be in austin | 15:26 |
| witek | :( | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | if you ever say craig you would be happy | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | saw | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | oops, i'm now on permanent record having said that | 15:27 |
| Kamil | Oo | 15:27 |
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| witek | :) | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | so rbak and nklei will you be at the monasca sesssion sednesday mornign? | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | bklei | 15:28 |
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| rbak | I'll be there. | 15:29 |
| bklei | ditto | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | cool | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | well, i'm short on topics today | 15:30 |
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| slogan | probably a good sign :-) | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | and don't want to keep folks hanging for no reason | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | so, unless anyone has anything that needs to be addressed, i would rather get back to reviews and creating slides | 15:31 |
| slogan | rbak: I posted some of my own docs on using grafana to create a dashboard at https://github.com/openstack/broadview-collector/blob/master/doc/microburst_simulation.md | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | witek: sorry i didn't get to slides yesterday, will try today | 15:31 |
| slogan | if something needs improving, feel free to suggest | 15:31 |
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| witek | no problem | 15:31 |
| rbak | slogan: I'll take a look at those. | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | very cool slogan | 15:32 |
| slogan | the images are broken, but are in the images directory | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | where is the images dir | 15:33 |
| slogan | doc/images | 15:33 |
| slogan | I guess I'm horrible at markdown :-) | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | it isn't showing up | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | never mind | 15:34 |
| slogan | you'd have to navigate there in github UI I guess | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | so, is it possible to get a broadcom at the summit | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | what would you suggest? | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | is there anything small | 15:37 |
| slogan | get "a" broadcom? | 15:37 |
| slogan | switch you mean | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | boradcom what | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | broadcom | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | is there a small/cheap one that works with broadview | 15:37 |
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| slogan | ah, well, let's take that offline, I don't know what's available or possible | 15:37 |
| slogan | we can show off without a switch though, that is what this simulation is all about | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | oh | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | didn't realize that | 15:38 |
| slogan | I know, not as "real" but does focus on the software | 15:38 |
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| slogan | yeah, I just have a python script pretending to be a switch | 15:38 |
| slogan | :-) | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | so, if i follow your directions this will install a simulation | 15:38 |
| slogan | so, anyone can play with this | 15:38 |
| slogan | pretty much, yep | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | very cool | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | i might just use that in the Monasca Bootcamp on Monday | 15:38 |
| slogan | sweet! | 15:38 |
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| slogan | I'll support you all I can | 15:38 |
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| markvoelker | So, if there are tests that exist and we think there's a reasonable chance they could be made suitable, I'd be more inclined to include those and let it be advisory. | 16:09 |
| gema | we'll need a project in launchpad | 16:09 |
| gema | and then we can create blueprints | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | If there are no tests at all, we can't even really articulate what the capability is to people, so it feels like that shouldn't go in... | 16:10 |
| eglute | markvoelker i agree | 16:10 |
| eglute | gema hogepodge how do we get a project in launchpad | 16:10 |
| gema | markvoelker: the api is there and I can call it without admin | 16:10 |
| gema | eglute: we just create it | 16:10 |
| eglute | #action gema hogepodge to create DefCore project in launchpad | 16:11 |
| gema | eglute: I will put instructions together for hogepodge to create, once it is created I don't think you can change teh person that owns it | 16:11 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: I think that is the case for identity-v3-catalog: .. there seems to be no test | 16:11 |
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| markvoelker | gema: But if I'm reading that Guideline doc, how do I know that "identity-v3-catalog" means "this particular API"? | 16:11 |
| gema | markvoelker: you don't atm | 16:11 |
| gema | unless you look at my doc | 16:12 |
| eglute | i agree with markvoelker. in this case we will leave it out of the guideline | 16:12 |
| gema | (the spreadsheet) | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | gema: if there are tests there then I have some idea of what may become required in the future. If not... | 16:12 |
| eglute | gema i think we can use your spreadsheet as a started for blueprint in this case | 16:13 |
| docaedo | re: launchpad, why not use refstack? since that already exists and most of the work relating to tests funnels through that, does it make sense to have a new launchpad page for some subset of the work? | 16:13 |
| gema | markvoelker: catalog in particular is special, this is payload that is returned as part of one capability that is already there | 16:13 |
| eglute | docaedo i rather not mix the two projects. the tests are not really part of refstack | 16:14 |
| gema | markvoelker, eglute ok, we are not adding new capabilities without tests this time around and I will get tests for the things that scored high but don't have them yet | 16:14 |
| eglute | thank you gema! | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | gema: agreed, there's that atomicity thing again. =) Thanks for working on this. | 16:14 |
| gema | markvoelker: welcome! | 16:14 |
| eglute | next topic? | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | catalog is one of those things that is a side effect that will cause lots of tests to fail if it doesn't work, but it's good to test these things directly | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | I'm happy to work with upstream to get something there so we can add advisory later. | 16:15 |
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| eglute | thanks hogepodge | 16:15 |
| eglute | that would be great | 16:15 |
| gema | thanks | 16:15 |
| eglute | #topic Flag tests removed from tempest | 16:15 |
| catherineD | if indeed no test exists today .. this is a good case to create a test per DefCore test spec | 16:15 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289071/ | 16:15 |
| eglute | catherineD +1 | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | Seems pretty easy. But it makes some capabilities empty | 16:16 |
| catherineD | that just mean that we need the DefCore spec quick :-) | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | Have we actually looked to see if there are any other tests we could use for those capabilities? | 16:16 |
| gema | markvoelker: I did and couldn't find any | 16:16 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker: or we could add ones if they don't exist | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | gema: =/ | 16:17 |
| gema | markvoelker: but this is the first time I do it, so could be wrong | 16:17 |
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| gema | dwalleck: that's a good idea :D | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | they're removing the tests because auth is used all over the place so why test auth? It's kind of weird to me, actually | 16:17 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: do we want to have the spec first ? so this will be an example to add a DefCore test | 16:17 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: +1 | 16:17 |
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| gema | hogepodge: auth should be tested explicitely | 16:17 |
| eglute | i am in favor of starting with the spec | 16:17 |
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| gema | eglute: the spec is ongoing, it's the last topic on the agenda | 16:18 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: We do have existing tests | 16:18 |
| catherineD | gema: we do not enforce test sequences during test runs ... | 16:18 |
| gema | catherineD: good | 16:18 |
| eglute | so for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289071/ | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | Working on the spec is definitely something we want to do. The bigger question is what to do with the empty capabilities in the interim | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | eglute: But if the spec is just the guidelines for what makes a good test (not what the capability should do), then it would be a nice to have | 16:19 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: if test exists then we are good | 16:19 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: +1 | 16:19 |
| eglute | if there are no tests, i am in favor of removing empty capabilities | 16:19 |
| gema | markvoelker: I'd leave them in the working file for now | 16:19 |
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| markvoelker | If it's realistically going to be test-less for some time (while we build the spec and create new tests) I think I'd be in favor of dropping them. | 16:19 |
| gema | and act on them when tests become available | 16:19 |
| eglute | markvoelker +1 | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | gema: ++ | 16:19 |
| hogepodge | we have had test-less capabilities before | 16:19 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: those it is not merged we do have idea like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233814/ | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | it's still a statement of intent | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I'm thinking my personal rule=of-thumb might be if we're expecting them to be testless for one Guideline, we drop them. | 16:20 |
| eglute | i agree with markvoelker | 16:21 |
| dwalleck | But if a test defines a capability and we have no tests, then how do we define the capability? | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: naturally, but timing matters. | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: agreed | 16:21 |
| dwalleck | It hurts the point that a test defines a capability | 16:21 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: how do we deal with if all tests in a capability are flagged ... the result is the same as no test | 16:21 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: they should stay in the guideline if tests did exist, they should get a full cycle rather than being yanked at the end of one | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: we should have time to fix the underlying problem | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: depends on the reason for the flags. If they're flagged because of a bug in the feature or the test that is being worked on, I don't really have a problem with taht. | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: if they're flagged because tests are going away and there are no realistic substitutes, that's a problem | 16:22 |
| eglute | i agree | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | at a finer point, some of the tests were already flagged, and the flagging company never worked on fixing the upstream problems | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | leading to empty capabilities | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I think I could be amenable to that, assuming they were previously required. I'd be wary of introducing new testless capabilities though. | 16:23 |
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| eglute | hopefully having blueprints to work with other teams will help fix this issue. | 16:24 |
| eglute | also, we are actually working on defcore specs, which hopefully will be followed by tests | 16:24 |
| catherineD | This capability objectstore-object-access has no test in 2016.01 | 16:24 |
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| gema | yeah, let's moove on xD | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker | How about if I take a stab at drafting up a HACKING entry about handling testless capabilities as a strawman and we take the discussion to gerrit? | 16:25 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker that sounds good | 16:25 |
| gema | markvoelker: +1 | 16:25 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: +1 I think this is an important topic | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker draft strawman HACKING entry about testless capability handling | 16:25 |
| eglute | #topic Flag multi-tenant tests | 16:26 |
| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253138/3 | 16:26 |
| eglute | #startmeeting defcore | 16:26 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 16:26:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:26 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:26 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:26 |
| eglute | well, at least some official logs :) | 16:26 |
| eglute | #topic Flag multi-tenant tests | 16:27 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253138/3 | 16:27 |
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| eglute | i am ok with flagging multi-tenant tests | 16:28 |
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| eglute | especially since the new patch | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: needs a D404 proposal though (see comment from March 31) | 16:28 |
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| eglute | it was part of different PR right? | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | yes | 16:29 |
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| hogepodge | no rush on this one (as opposed to the previous), I can rework it. | 16:29 |
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| eglute | ok, in that case will give more time for others to review it? | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | and for the D404 to be removed =) | 16:30 |
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| eglute | in that case, next topic? | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | ++ | 16:31 |
| eglute | #topic | 16:31 |
| eglute | Preference for using direct API calls for image | 16:31 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: I put a -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289071/ so that we can discuss testless capbility | 16:31 |
| eglute | #topic Preference for using direct API calls for image | 16:31 |
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| eglute | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091466.html | 16:32 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: I will remove it now that we will have some action | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | still needs a -1 for 404 :-D New change set will be forthcoming | 16:32 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | For this topic, longer term thinking | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | It sounds like the TC and community want to stop using nova proxies. | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | Yup. Good to see this being discussed. | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | I will be interested to know what action comes out of it. =) | 16:33 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | So, we need to think about changing up compute capabilities to match that thinking. Which we're already doing. | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: well, the question is whose thinking actually prevails I think. | 16:34 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: how much contention is there over the issue of proxies? | 16:35 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: I'm not sure. Nova has said they're not going to remove the API. | 16:36 |
| eglute | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091479.html | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: nova won't remove it because microversions, afaik, but they want to discourage it heavily | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | If external tools, SDK's, and users are still using it and it isn't going away... | 16:36 |
| eglute | sounds like it will be a while at least | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | it causes headaches (all the flags because of glance v1 image proxy, for example) | 16:37 |
| catherineD | eglute: I think so too | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | Right, that's what kind of what I'm getting at: if they don't want people using it, how is that message going to get out and what practical effect will it have on getting people (and SDK's, and tools, etc) to move to the Glance API's? | 16:37 |
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| eglute | so, is this one of those topics that we can think about but do nothing about? | 16:39 |
| hogepodge | we can communicate our current state to the community to help guide discussions and decisions | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | Sure. And we can also make sure we're scoring the glance image capabilities appropriately too. | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | right now we require the proxies in some way, but should be not be requiring them in favor of the other apis? | 16:40 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: I think so | 16:40 |
| catherineD | at least remove/flag those from the must-pass tests | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: if the nova API's meet all the criteria, I have basically zero problem with them being in the Guideline. I also have zero problem with the Glance API's being in the Guideline if they meet all the criteria. | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | Basically there's nothing forcing us to pick one or the other if they both meet criteria. I do want to be mindful of the outcome of the conversation though, as it may indicate that scoring changes | 16:42 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: then people will have not reason to move to Glance API ? | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: they have a real reason right now. v2 is not supported by nova | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | E.g. if nova takes definitive steps to remove support for the nova image API or document it as "do not use this" then I wouldn't want to score it 1 for "future direction" for instance | 16:42 |
| eglute | markvoelker +1. we need to remember that defcore is trailing, not leading when it comes to new features. Yes, we look at the technical direction, and we have in the past. But it also sounds like glance v2 still has a lot of work that needs to happen | 16:43 |
| eglute | i suggest for the sake of time we table this discussion for a later time? | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | eglute: +1 to closing discussion and moving on | 16:44 |
| eglute | #topic Certifying Mitaka clouds | 16:44 |
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| markvoelker | Basically I want Nova and Glance to convince the ecosystem what the best way of doing things is (or reduce the number of ways to do it, gracefully) rather than us dictating that. | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | eglute: +1 | 16:44 |
| eglute | markvoelker i agree with you there! | 16:44 |
| catherineD | which guideline should be used to certify Mitaka clouds? | 16:44 |
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| hogepodge | we need a policy for new releases | 16:45 |
| eglute | i was thinking about this, and it seems like we have some pacing issues when it comes to guidelines | 16:45 |
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| eglute | i would say new releases can be certified under the current guideline | 16:45 |
| eglute | how does that sound? | 16:46 |
| hogepodge | maybe we need to change supported released to say "x or newer", where x is release name | 16:46 |
| eglute | hogepodge +1 | 16:46 |
| cjvolzka | eglute: +1 | 16:46 |
| luzC | eglute +1 | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: for products with existing license agreements in place, are tehy currently covered with their existing agreements? | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | I can't recall the legalese in the contract | 16:46 |
| hogepodge | this line http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/2016.01.json#n9 | 16:46 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: let me look at the contract | 16:47 |
| eglute | hogepodge right, i think we need to change it. | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: ok. Still wouldn't help new products being introduced for the first time, but curious what the language says now | 16:47 |
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| eglute | if we make a change to the guideline, we need to ask for the board's approval during the next meeting | 16:48 |
| eglute | should not be a problem, just part of the process | 16:48 |
| catherineD | eglute: if that is the case , how do user interpret line 9 in https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2016.01.json means --> "releases": ["juno", "kilo", "liberty"], | 16:48 |
| catherineD | if we can use 2016.01 to certify Mitaka clouds | 16:48 |
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| markvoelker | I think it's a reasonable thing to propose. Out of curiosity, do we actually have someone trying to certify a Mitaka product already that sparked this? | 16:49 |
| docaedo | catherineD: good question, I was about to ask the same thing | 16:49 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: yes | 16:49 |
| eglute | we could add "mitaka", or say, "newer release" and point to openstack releases page | 16:49 |
| catherineD | eglute: that works | 16:49 |
| cjvolzka | markvoelker: We are - PowerVC | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | good to know =) | 16:49 |
| eglute | #link http://releases.openstack.org/ | 16:49 |
| docaedo | markvoelker: yes, also I think we need to encourage people to use the new release as soon as possible :) so looks good when we can certify clouds on the newest release | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | So, changing the Guideline doc still requires Board approval. However it's ultimately up to the Foundation to grant license agreements. | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | That means that irrespective of what the Guideline doc says today they could technically still grant an exception and grant a license. | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | (until we get the Board to vote on changing the doc) | 16:50 |
| eglute | right, the board meeting is on the 4/24, so if have a patch that everyone agrees on, we can ask for boards approval then | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | Don't know if that's a helpful escape valve for you. =) | 16:51 |
| catherineD | eglute: +1 | 16:51 |
| eglute | +1 on exceptions, especially if we agree now that this will be the direction: newer releases can use current guideline | 16:51 |
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| markvoelker | Who's got the AI to propose the change? | 16:52 |
| catherineD | eglute: Need to document somewhere | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | a foundation all writs act (he kids) | 16:52 |
| eglute | #action hogepodge to propose a change to current guideline include newer releases | 16:52 |
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| cjvolzka | markvoelker: We actually have a test left to finish before we're ready to certify so waiting for board approval won't be an issue depending on their turnaround. | 16:53 |
| eglute | catherineD agree, was thinking after the PR is in place of sending an email to let people know | 16:53 |
| catherineD | eglute: thanks | 16:53 |
| eglute | cjvolzka if approved, it would be immediate, on 4/24 | 16:53 |
| cjvolzka | That would be fine then | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | foundation won't hold up license agreement for mitaka, unless board or working group objects | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, cool. While that patch is getting written, I'd like to think over some of the corner cases...e.g. what happens if something gets deprecated or broken in between when a Guideline is written and when the next release comes out | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker | (imagine we'd handle that with flags, but there are probably some other cases to think through) | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker | Almost out of time...move on? | 16:55 |
| eglute | well, i think flags would cover it. bigger concern is whether we allow 2 last guidelines to be used or not | 16:55 |
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| eglute | yes, lets move on and keep thinking about this | 16:55 |
| cjvolzka | eglute: I thought it was just the current last one guideline? | 16:56 |
| eglute | cjvolzka currently you can certify against 2 last guidelines, but each guideline specifies releases | 16:56 |
| cjvolzka | ahh ok | 16:57 |
| eglute | we will run out of time for other topics, but i will be in defcore IRC after | 16:57 |
| eglute | #topic Austin Summit | 16:57 |
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| eglute | please start adding topics for a working session: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRing.AustinSummit2016 | 16:57 |
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| eglute | and for refstack session: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-newton-summit | 16:58 |
| Rocky_g | cool | 16:58 |
| catherineD | eglute: Dies it make sense to alert DefCore/RefStack sessions via defcore mailing list? | 16:59 |
| catherineD | I am sure people can search too | 16:59 |
| eglute | catherineD yes, i will send out calendar invites to those :) | 16:59 |
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| catherineD | eglute: thanks | 16:59 |
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| catherineD | right now seems like DefCore abd RefStack sessions are not overlapping | 17:00 |
| eglute | we are almost out of time. stay for scoring cinder/swift in defcore IRC? | 17:00 |
| catherineD | and Heat scoring | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | I can stick around for a couple of minutes, but have to run shortly | 17:00 |
| hogepodge | I have a call, but can try to multi-task | 17:00 |
| eglute | ok, i will be around | 17:00 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 17:01:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-04-13-16.26.html | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-04-13-16.26.log.html | 17:01 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 17:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:01 |
| dansmith | ohai | 17:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | hey hey | 17:01 |
| alaski | #topic testing | 17:01 |
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| mriedem | doffm: are you around? | 17:01 |
| alaski | bauzas: ping | 17:02 |
| alaski | I haven't heard about things breaking in cells which is always good | 17:02 |
| alaski | I think ccarmacks patch merged to remove some of the regex in favor of test ids | 17:02 |
| alaski | which should help | 17:02 |
| melwitt | nice | 17:03 |
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| alaski | and I haven't seen anything yet around testing v2 in grenade, nor have I done anything there yet | 17:03 |
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| alaski | so I think we can move on | 17:03 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:03 |
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| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:04 |
| alaski | plenty to see there | 17:04 |
| mriedem | oh i see i need to +W now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300580/ | 17:04 |
| mriedem | didn't know that changed | 17:04 |
| alaski | yeah, I'm working on splitting the next patch which got all messed up, so I'm detangling now | 17:05 |
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| alaski | but let's all keep an eye on that list | 17:05 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:05 |
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| mriedem | did the serialized instance version thing get sorted out? | 17:05 |
| dansmith | mriedem: we talked about it and it's probably not a problem, we just need to be careful about it I thin | 17:06 |
| alaski | I'm on the same page as dansmith now | 17:06 |
| dansmith | and one of the two cases is cake to resolve | 17:06 |
| alaski | mainly we need to ensure that a failure there doesn't bubble up improperly to the API | 17:06 |
| mriedem | failure in deserializing a version that we don't understand? | 17:07 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:07 |
| mriedem | do we just log that and ignore? | 17:07 |
| dansmith | mriedem: in reality it's probably a case where the operator did something out of order, | 17:07 |
| dansmith | but it would be good to handle it, log what happened, instead of just exploding in some not obvious way | 17:07 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:08 |
| mriedem | do we have a way to test that? | 17:08 |
| dansmith | sure | 17:08 |
| dansmith | we can do it in functional easily enough | 17:09 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:09 |
| mriedem | fin | 17:09 |
| dansmith | write instance version 99.99 into the database, poke the bear, make sure the clown pops out | 17:09 |
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| mriedem | wow, ok | 17:09 |
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| alaski | that's a new one to me | 17:09 |
| dansmith | it'll be exactly like that | 17:10 |
| dansmith | trust me. | 17:10 |
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| alaski | mriedem: I need to show you my "rock out with my caulk out" work hat | 17:10 |
| mriedem | haha | 17:10 |
| * dansmith has seen it | 17:10 | |
| alaski | dansmith got a private viewing | 17:11 |
| alaski | moving on | 17:11 |
| dansmith | dude | 17:11 |
| dansmith | don't call it that | 17:11 |
| melwitt | whoa | 17:11 |
| mriedem | i have a t-shirt with saddam hussein's head on it from the gulf war in the early 90s | 17:11 |
| mriedem | but we digress | 17:11 |
| melwitt | sounds like we have austin summit attire ready to go | 17:12 |
| alaski | so... specs | 17:12 |
| mriedem | it's also sleeveless | 17:12 |
| alaski | nice | 17:12 |
| dansmith | alaski would be violating about six code of conduct rules with that hat | 17:12 |
| mriedem | specs you say? | 17:13 |
| alaski | yes | 17:13 |
| alaski | is there anything outstanding that someone would like to see? | 17:13 |
| alaski | or propose? | 17:13 |
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| alaski | I'll take that as a no | 17:14 |
| alaski | we have a decent amount of work in progress and I don't think we'll run out so that's good | 17:14 |
| alaski | final agenda topic | 17:15 |
| alaski | cellsv2 summit sessions | 17:15 |
| alaski | I've fleshed out https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas a bit with things to discuss | 17:15 |
| alaski | but double check that and make sure everything is going to be covered | 17:15 |
| alaski | that's all I've got | 17:16 |
| alaski | anyone have a topic to bring up? | 17:16 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:17 |
| alaski | that leaves 43 extra minutes for reviews | 17:17 |
| alaski | thanks all! | 17:17 |
| dansmith | woot | 17:17 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 17:17:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-04-13-17.01.html | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-04-13-17.01.txt | 17:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-04-13-17.01.log.html | 17:18 |
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| SridarK_ | Hi FWaaS folks | 18:30 |
| Aish | hi | 18:30 |
| njohnston | hello | 18:30 |
| mickeys | Hi | 18:30 |
| SridarK_ | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 18:31 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 18:31 |
| SridarK_ | #chair xgerman | 18:31 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK_ xgerman | 18:31 |
| xgerman | o/ | 18:31 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 18:31 |
| njohnston | o/ | 18:31 |
| SridarK_ | Firstly we should thank sc68cal: for all his help over the last cycle, regretfully with other tasks that he is juggling - he has decided to move away from FWaaS | 18:32 |
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| sc68cal | sorry :'( | 18:33 |
| njohnston | hear hear | 18:33 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:33 |
| mickeys | +1 | 18:33 |
| madhu_ak | +1 | 18:33 |
| xgerman | sc68cal was great!!! | 18:33 |
| SridarK_ | sigh yes - he could not be persuaded or arm twisted to stay on | 18:33 |
| xgerman | and I learned more about Philly which was interesting as well :-) | 18:33 |
| SridarK_ | :-) | 18:33 |
| SridarK_ | unfortunately all of us have to juggle multiple priorities with our employers as well | 18:34 |
| xgerman | sc68cal door is always open if you want to come back :-) | 18:34 |
| ajmiller | hi | 18:34 |
| SridarK_ | +1 | 18:34 |
| SridarK_ | Welcome to njohnston: who will be joining in to contribute | 18:35 |
| * njohnston is happy to help | 18:35 | |
| SridarK_ | thx njohnston: | 18:35 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:35 |
| SridarK_ | i think we will have a few more folks join in | 18:35 |
| xgerman | really excited to have you hear | 18:35 |
| SridarK_ | #topic FWaaSv2 | 18:36 |
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| SridarK_ | Thx Aish: for re proposing the spec | 18:36 |
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| SridarK_ | and it is approved | 18:36 |
| Aish | yeah, tht is so quick. | 18:36 |
| xgerman | yeah!! | 18:36 |
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| SridarK_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303836/ | 18:36 |
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| njohnston | excellent | 18:37 |
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| SridarK_ | I think we were all in agreement that we are keeping things as is and just re propose it | 18:37 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 18:37 |
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| SridarK_ | Summary of some of the patches with a swag at ownership (subject to some flux): | 18:38 |
| SridarK_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/FWaaS/NewtonPlan | 18:38 |
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| * njohnston reads | 18:38 | |
| Aish | Mickey has made a comment previously, to rename Firewall Groups as Firewall Port Groups.. I think that makes sense.. Should we do that? | 18:39 |
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| njohnston | Does that make sense from a customer perspective? | 18:39 |
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| SridarK_ | Aish: i too think that reads better | 18:40 |
| mickeys_ | If people think that clarifies the intent, then we should do it. I don't have strong feelings on this one. | 18:40 |
| SridarK_ | we can pick that up in the code patches as a comment | 18:40 |
| SridarK_ | and perhaps update the spec | 18:40 |
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| SridarK_ | later | 18:40 |
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| Aish | +1 | 18:41 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:41 |
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| SridarK_ | Once we settle in on any changes on patch ownership - i think we can resume activity | 18:42 |
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| SridarK_ | xgerman: and i took a first stab on ownership but we can re examine that as needed | 18:43 |
| xgerman | I am also hoping versioned objects have firmed up more | 18:43 |
| SridarK_ | +1 | 18:43 |
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| xgerman | yep, we need to divvy up the work further | 18:43 |
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| SridarK_ | yes | 18:44 |
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| SridarK_ | so good anything else to discuss on v2 ? | 18:44 |
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| SridarK_ | wrt to logistics etc | 18:45 |
| njohnston | As the work is divvied up, let me know what I can work on | 18:45 |
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| xgerman | we were thinking to have some informal meetings at the summit | 18:45 |
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| SridarK_ | njohnston: surely | 18:45 |
| SridarK_ | yes may be the summit is a good place to do that | 18:45 |
| xgerman | and we like to play to everyone’s strengths/interests | 18:46 |
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| SridarK_ | +1 | 18:48 |
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| njohnston | +1 | 18:48 |
| SridarK_ | ok good so the plan is as we get better information on the avail of folks we can rework some of this | 18:49 |
| SridarK_ | and we can evolve this over the week and worst case at the summit | 18:49 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 18:50 |
| SridarK_ | #topic reviews | 18:50 |
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| SridarK_ | Observer hierarchy | 18:51 |
| SridarK_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278863/ | 18:51 |
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| SridarK_ | thanks to Bharath for addressing the comments - i think we need some more tweaks and we should get this done | 18:52 |
| SridarK_ | Conntrack related changes: | 18:53 |
| SridarK_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300960/ | 18:53 |
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| mickeys_ | As with security groups, it is hitting conntrack somewhat broadly | 18:53 |
| SridarK_ | I started going thru this - | 18:54 |
| SridarK_ | mickeys_: yes | 18:54 |
| mickeys_ | If you have a rule for a particular IP address with an L4 port, you will clear out conntrack entries for that L4 port for all addresses | 18:54 |
| SridarK_ | I would defn req u take a look thru this | 18:54 |
| mickeys_ | I don't remember the details for what security groups, but it was pretty broad as well | 18:54 |
| mickeys_ | I have not looked at what OVN does at all yet, but I know it was a very active area a few weeks ago | 18:55 |
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| * russellb checks for context | 18:55 | |
| russellb | oh, applying security group changes to existing connections? | 18:55 |
| mickeys_ | Clearing out conntrack entries upon rule changesj | 18:55 |
| mickeys_ | Yes | 18:55 |
| SridarK_ | russellb: yes | 18:55 |
| mickeys_ | But this time for FWaaS | 18:56 |
| russellb | got it, the strategy we are using for OVN is quite different | 18:56 |
| russellb | it's done purely via flows | 18:56 |
| russellb | so no hacking the conntrack table | 18:56 |
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| russellb | ``https://github.com/russellb/ovs/commit/56ccd8bc5eeadc0a2309f35da6f72f465677d2d2 | 18:57 |
| russellb | goes into some detail | 18:57 |
| mickeys_ | Thanks for the pointer | 18:57 |
| russellb | that's my latest revision, it's not merged yet | 18:57 |
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| SridarK_ | russellb: thx | 18:58 |
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| SridarK_ | mickeys_: u can comment on the review | 18:58 |
| mickeys_ | I can look at security groups with iptables and OVN and contrast the approach | 18:58 |
| mickeys_ | Then I will comment | 18:59 |
| SridarK_ | i know u have had to deal with a lot of challenges in this area so thx for keeping this sane | 18:59 |
| SridarK_ | mickeys_: thx | 18:59 |
| xgerman | +1 | 18:59 |
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| SridarK_ | any other patches that need discussion ? | 19:00 |
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| SridarK_ | ok | 19:02 |
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| SridarK_ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:02 |
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| xgerman | we should mention our design session: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9109?goback=1 | 19:02 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: oh yes thx - i completely forgot | 19:03 |
| xgerman | sridark_ is chair but we share that spot with the other *aaS | 19:03 |
| mickeys_ | Given that it is all services together, I don't think we can do much more than get our resource commitments firmed up and reassure people that we have a way forward | 19:03 |
| SridarK_ | we can bring up things for discussion | 19:03 |
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| xgerman | mickeys_ +1 since it says “demise" | 19:04 |
| SridarK_ | mickeys_: yes that is needed | 19:04 |
| mickeys_ | Yes, that one is aimed at us. Oh no! We can fix it! | 19:04 |
| xgerman | well, it could as well be VPNaaS which is dead | 19:04 |
| mickeys_ | IBM has a few people on VPNaaS. We will be adding support for OVN. | 19:04 |
| xgerman | LBaaS is being nudged to leave the stadium - so they might want to do the same with us | 19:05 |
| russellb | mickeys_: yay | 19:05 |
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| xgerman | mickeys_ get them to show up at that session :-) | 19:05 |
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| mickeys_ | At least one, the one who has been working on OpenStack for a while (but not VPNaaS) will be there | 19:05 |
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| njohnston | xgerman: Do you believe a push for a spinout is imminent? | 19:06 |
| SridarK_ | I think once we have our contributor commitments in place - we can make N more productive | 19:06 |
| xgerman | njohnston I am reading tea leafs… | 19:07 |
| SridarK_ | :-) | 19:07 |
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| SridarK_ | If there is nothing else to discuss we can end | 19:08 |
| xgerman | sounds good!! | 19:08 |
| SridarK_ | ok folks have a good one and thx for joining | 19:09 |
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| SridarK_ | #endmeeting | 19:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 19:09:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-13-18.31.html | 19:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-13-18.31.txt | 19:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-04-13-18.31.log.html | 19:09 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 13 20:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| matt-borland_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 20:00 |
| bpokorny | \o | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
| matt-borland_ | are you left-handed bpokorny? | 20:00 |
| rhagarty | o/ | 20:00 |
| bpokorny | I forgot which, let me check :) | 20:01 |
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| bpokorny | \o/ | 20:01 |
| matt-borland_ | lol | 20:01 |
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| bpokorny | Ambidextrious | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | O/ | 20:01 |
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| krotscheck | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | Couple of notices to begin with | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | Gate stability should be back to normal levels, barring a couple of mischeivous integration failures | 20:02 |
| matt-borland_ | yey!!! thanks :) :) | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | We had a string of issues last week; literally 4 independent gate breaking issues in a row. | 20:03 |
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| tsufiev | Row of misfortune | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | If there are any further issues, please ping me and let me know so I can look into it. | 20:03 |
| tsufiev | As if it was waiting for us to release :) | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | #info Gate stability back to normal levels | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | The second item is | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Horizon%3A | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | This is likely going to be the final summit schedule | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | I've transferred most of the big discussion points and etherpad links to each one | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | If there's any mistakes or missing info, let me know. | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | Thats all from me, and the agenda is open. | 20:06 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: btw, we tentatively fixed mischievous integration issues, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305163/5 | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:06 |
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| krotscheck | Infra is currently synchronizing new npm mirrors. They'll go into rotation early next week, which may add short-term instability in the gate, until the caches warm up. | 20:06 |
| tsufiev | A couple of more rechecks, and we'll be more confident | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Thanks tsufiev | 20:06 |
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| robcresswell | krotscheck: Thanks for the heads up | 20:07 |
| * david-lyle ended up on the wrong side of a net split | 20:07 | |
| robcresswell | I think I info'd and link'd appropriately david-lyle :) | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | just reading the log :) | 20:08 |
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| krotscheck | Upside: Leftpad won't take us down anymore :) | 20:08 |
| tsufiev | I'd like to remind about renaming AVAILABLE_REGIONS renaming couple of patches | 20:08 |
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| david-lyle | tsufiev: link? | 20:08 |
| tsufiev | If we're to fix it, the sooner in cycle - the better | 20:08 |
| tsufiev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224756/ | 20:08 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle: ^^^ | 20:09 |
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| david-lyle | wow | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | you're renaming the form fields too? | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | Yeah, some discussion may be... unavoidable :) | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:10 |
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| tsufiev | Yes - to prevent further misunderstandings | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | will use the appropriate medim | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | *medium | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | Sure, gerrit will fit it better | 20:11 |
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| robcresswell | krotscheck: Re: ESLint. What are your thoughts when two projects using eslint-config-openstack have opposing rules? Does eslint dictate the winner? Do we carry the warning and ignore it? Or does eslint do neither? | 20:12 |
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| robcresswell | It seemed like Ironic UI and Horizon may have different styles regarding variable definition, for example (was trying to follow along with IRC) | 20:13 |
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| krotscheck | robcresswell: I'm not certain in which context that would come up? When would eslint be run against two projects' code bases simultaneously? | 20:15 |
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| robcresswell | krotscheck: Not at runtime, I meant with regards to which rules are carried by eslint-config-openstack | 20:16 |
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| krotscheck | robcresswell: The extending configuration can override anything in the extended config. | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | So we'd just disable any rules we didnt agree with, and update the rest | 20:17 |
| krotscheck | robcresswell: The hope is that enough of the horizon team is on board of any rules that land, and that you remain engaged in maintaining the rule set. | 20:17 |
| krotscheck | robcresswell: See-> Hacking | 20:18 |
| krotscheck | Also, see-> pep8 | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | Understood | 20:18 |
| krotscheck | Having big fights about code style is a waste of time. It's better to be consistent globally, so we can argue about things that matter. | 20:18 |
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| robcresswell | That's true, but also easier to say when a one line rule change for you means a 500 line patch for us. Thats an exaggeration, but thats where I'm coming from. I'll make sure we stay involved in the rule reviews. | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | Easier than upgrading and pushing back later one. | 20:19 |
| matt-borland_ | global consistency can be overapplied | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | I can see the motivation though, openstack is bit of a pain to move across due to inconsistency. JS in one project can be a totally different style to JS in another, which just slows cross project work. | 20:21 |
| tyr_ | are there other JS projects in openstack beyond Ironic UI and Horizon? | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | I don't know if you count the plugins as separate projects | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | Because in that sense, yes, there are at least 3 or 4 Horizon JS plugin repos | 20:23 |
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| robcresswell | there's also the app catalog? | 20:24 |
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| matt-borland_ | quiet room | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | Yep, if nobody has anything they want to discuss we can call it early. | 20:27 |
| hurgleburgler | wait | 20:27 |
| hurgleburgler | I did | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | go ahead | 20:27 |
| hurgleburgler | Right now, in our markup | 20:27 |
| hurgleburgler | we don't have a general naming convention for classes | 20:28 |
| hurgleburgler | some of them are underscored, dashed or camelcased | 20:28 |
| tsufiev | +1 for dashes | 20:28 |
| hurgleburgler | makes it really difficult to go in and brand things, cause you have to go back and forth a lot to see which naming convention was used | 20:28 |
| hurgleburgler | I've been changing everything to dashes :) | 20:28 |
| hurgleburgler | matches bootstrap's convention | 20:28 |
| hurgleburgler | I recently put up a patch | 20:28 |
| hurgleburgler | and ducttape_ asked that we possibly deprecate the old class name | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | The issue mentioned the other day was that changing classes will break custom selectors in JQuery etc | 20:29 |
| hurgleburgler | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300691/ | 20:29 |
| hurgleburgler | just wondering what the take on it was | 20:29 |
| hurgleburgler | I've just been changing them with my other patches | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: and custom js code in plugins | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | for anyone who's got a style built on the existing names, you're creating a great deal of work | 20:29 |
| TravT | i'd prefer something like PIE-chart_uSAGE | 20:30 |
| hurgleburgler | TravT ಠ_ಠ | 20:30 |
| hurgleburgler | LOL | 20:30 |
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| hurgleburgler | I'd like to clean it all up … but I"m open for any plan of attack for that | 20:30 |
| hurgleburgler | Most of the time, I completely rewrite the markup, so retaining the old class names is moot | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | oh, even better | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | My thought was to list the renames in release note. if you go through specifically renaming pie_chart_usage to pie-chart-usage, then a one line note is a lot better than half an hour of an engineer yelling at his CSS and punching his monitor. | 20:31 |
| hurgleburgler | in those cases, if you've created a theme, then your custom css should be inherited cleanly | 20:32 |
| tsufiev | hurgleburgler: if you write a letter to ML, you'll hear a lot of opinions ;) | 20:32 |
| tsufiev | Mostly from plugin devs | 20:32 |
| TravT | hurgleburgler: you'll need to write a migration script for everybody | 20:32 |
| TravT | it will need to handle all the cases | 20:32 |
| tsufiev | sed script, omg | 20:32 |
| hurgleburgler | ಠ▃ಠ | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | Generally if you're using theme variables you have less work, not more, with regards to CSS maintenance. | 20:33 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell: how many plugins do use them? | 20:33 |
| hurgleburgler | The pie charts? Or any custom js? | 20:33 |
| tsufiev | I guess time to start evangelizing it, meet the people | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Most of them, because most plugins just use the Horizon templates. | 20:34 |
| tsufiev | Hmmm... | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | and most of the angular plugins are also up to date | 20:34 |
| hurgleburgler | angular uses their own pie charts | 20:34 |
| hurgleburgler | donut charts* | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | in that sense not much changes, if you've already got a theme in variables, then it will just clean itself up as hurgleburgler works | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | I think it becomes more difficult re: custom jquery though | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | hence the release note idea | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | Because if you're doing any form or chart manipulation, that would just stop functioning | 20:35 |
| tsufiev | Anyways, some preliminary warning should be made | 20:35 |
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| hurgleburgler | I can add release notes and append to it as I go, when its needed | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | I would just like to point to the balance here | 20:36 |
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| david-lyle | adapting for future/present ease vs creating a boat load of work for anyone who currently uses/depends on horizon | 20:37 |
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| david-lyle | not that either are wrong | 20:37 |
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| david-lyle | but lumping too many breaking changes in the present can effectively block a percentage of current users from moving forward | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | look at us with Django | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | and Django does a really good job of documenting those things | 20:38 |
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| david-lyle | and deprecating things over several releases | 20:39 |
| * david-lyle stops pointing | 20:39 | |
| robcresswell | They did a pretty good job of moving several things around undocumented too :( | 20:39 |
| hurgleburgler | I don't think these things are breaking changes though | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | hurgleburgler: you've written js and html extensions for Horizon, no? | 20:40 |
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| robcresswell | Well, they are. If I write something that looks for pie-chart_usage and you rename the class, its broken. | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | I'm thinking beyond pie charts of course | 20:40 |
| tsufiev__ | Seems i missed something :/, got disconnected | 20:40 |
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| robcresswell | Yes, I'm just giving a simple example. | 20:40 |
| hurgleburgler | If I make pie-chart-usage themed and use a different markup, then it breaks it anyways though | 20:41 |
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| hurgleburgler | given, pie chart is actually constructing a pie chart on a given element using a class name, I think that's what makes it a special case though | 20:41 |
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| robcresswell | Personally I think (in the scope of CSS renames) listing them is enough. We're talking about one grep|sed to fix it. | 20:43 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell: in an ideal world, but sure | 20:43 |
| hurgleburgler | k | 20:43 |
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| robcresswell | When it comes to widgets, we should follow the existing process which has also been listing the component in the customising docs | 20:44 |
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| robcresswell | Any other discussion points? | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | Thanks everyone | 20:50 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 13 20:50:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-04-13-20.00.html | 20:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-04-13-20.00.txt | 20:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-04-13-20.00.log.html | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | multi-netsplit meeting really helps with flow | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | thanks robcresswell | 20:51 |
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