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| SridarK_ | Hi FWaaS folks | 04:00 |
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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 04:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
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| njohnston | #chair SridarK_ | 04:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK_ njohnston | 04:00 |
| njohnston | Hi everyone | 04:00 |
| chandanc | Hello All | 04:00 |
| SarathMekala | Hi | 04:00 |
| mickeys | Hi | 04:00 |
| mfranc213 | hi | 04:00 |
| SridarK_ | lets get started - i see most folks are on | 04:00 |
| shwetaap | hello | 04:01 |
| njohnston | #topic Announcements | 04:01 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: thx for getting the agenda set | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:01 | |
| njohnston | I just want to note that we are now 1 week from N-1. Tempus fugit! | 04:01 |
| njohnston | This means that we are 1/3 done with the Newton cycle. We should think about our velocity to make sure we are on track. | 04:02 |
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| SridarK_ | +1 | 04:02 |
| njohnston | which leads me to... | 04:02 |
| yushiro | Hi, sorry for late. | 04:02 |
| njohnston | #topic Mid-Cycle | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-Cycle (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:02 | |
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| njohnston | In Austin when we met, we had talked about doing a virtual mid-cycle | 04:03 |
| njohnston | I am still in favor of that idea, but what does everyone think? | 04:03 |
| njohnston | If we decide we can add it to the wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#Schedule_of_Upcoming_OpenStack_Virtual_Sprints | 04:03 |
| njohnston | We should be aware of the timing of the Neutron mid-cycle: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints#Future_sprints_for_Newton | 04:03 |
| mfranc213 | +1 also can you post the meeting agenda? ;) | 04:04 |
| njohnston | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-meeting | 04:04 |
| padkrish | +1 | 04:04 |
| yushiro | +1 | 04:04 |
| SridarK_ | yes i too think a virtual mid-cycle is more favorable with geography of contributors | 04:05 |
| njohnston | Does anyone have any thoughts about timing, or is it premature to think about that? | 04:05 |
| SridarK_ | but perhaps lets first get some traction going - so we can be more productive during the mid-cycle | 04:05 |
| SridarK_ | i think we have some things to decide before we get to this | 04:06 |
| njohnston | ok, so sounds like we still like the virtual idea, but it's too early to get something on the books. | 04:06 |
| SridarK_ | i am hoping we can get some thing going in the next week | 04:06 |
| SridarK_ | once we have some skeletal pieces beginning to talk to each other - then we can make some quick progress by blocking some time | 04:07 |
| SridarK_ | just my thought | 04:07 |
| njohnston | +1 | 04:07 |
| njohnston | #topic L2 and L3 | 04:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L2 and L3 (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:07 | |
| njohnston | SO we want to integrate with 2 agents, both L2 and L3 | 04:08 |
| njohnston | Do we want to approach this in parallel, or work on one then the other? | 04:08 |
| njohnston | I was having a converation with mfranc213 about this today and I realized we weren't on the same page, so I wanted to get the team's thought. | 04:08 |
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| SridarK_ | i think we should approach them in parallel | 04:09 |
| SridarK_ | if some folks can get the L2Agent integration started - out of this we can evolve some patterns that can be used in L3 | 04:09 |
| SridarK_ | L3 is a bit simpler w.r.t iptables | 04:10 |
| njohnston | L3 may need to be on the back burner for a bit while the L3 agent extension gets wrangled out, and then I agree we can re-use patterns from the L2 implementation. | 04:10 |
| njohnston | mfranc213: what do you think? | 04:10 |
| SridarK_ | Now with the change to get us going, in theory we can work thru the L3Agent to go end to end | 04:10 |
| mfranc213 | i agree that L2 should, minimally, be started first. | 04:10 |
| SridarK_ | as we are operational | 04:10 |
| mfranc213 | i don't believe we have enough people to do these in parallel | 04:11 |
| mfranc213 | but i like what srikark_ is saying | 04:11 |
| mfranc213 | which i think is (tell me if i'm wrong): | 04:11 |
| mfranc213 | start the L2 to get the general architecture understood/in place. then go to the L3 which is simpler to implement. | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | mfranc213: yes along those lines | 04:12 |
| mfranc213 | that may get us with something to present soonest | 04:12 |
| mfranc213 | perhaps | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | mfranc213: yes | 04:12 |
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| SridarK_ | if we have flushed out iptables on L2 then we can continue forth with the L2 implementation | 04:13 |
| SridarK_ | in terms of actually getting some things comitted we will need a reference backend in place | 04:13 |
| mfranc213 | njohnston: what do you think? | 04:13 |
| SridarK_ | which is simpler in L3 | 04:13 |
| mfranc213 | and which has been done, thought in a different way, in v1. right? | 04:14 |
| mickeys | The quickest way to get something running is to run with noopfirewall driver (for security groups). In order to run with iptablesfirewall driver (for security groups), the coexistence changes have to be made. | 04:14 |
| mfranc213 | s/thought/though | 04:14 |
| njohnston | I agree with everything which has been said, and I look forward to tearing into the reference backend. I think the risk is in leaving the L3 agent extension to be done by a third party, which surrenders the initiative so to speak. That to me is a long pole that is difficult to control, and so is a risk item. | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | mickeys: yes we can do that for sure, but to get changes in - we cannot break SG | 04:15 |
| mickeys | agreed | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | in essence the crux of the FW agent code should be very similar for L2 & L3 | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | possibly the same | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | how we bolt things in to the L2 & L3 framework could be a bit different | 04:16 |
| SridarK_ | and some validations etc | 04:16 |
| njohnston | +1 | 04:16 |
| njohnston | OK, I think we talked that one out. | 04:17 |
| njohnston | #topic Explicating the dependency chain | 04:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Explicating the dependency chain (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:17 | |
| njohnston | It'd be good to know for sure what depends on what so we can prioritize | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | but if we can flush out the L2 extension and how we interact with it we can get some things in place for L3 | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | sorry | 04:17 |
| njohnston | This came about when I was trying to test the existing code for the FWaaS DB change and found it depended on one or two other changes | 04:17 |
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| njohnston | I made a stab at a graphical representation, please check it for accuracy: https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/1aBZwDKm.png | 04:18 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: on the DB piece, we should have a dependency on the v2 extensions | 04:18 |
| SridarK_ | and this is mostly okay - i have tested that | 04:18 |
| njohnston | Yes, that was what I discovered :-) | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | there are probab some more few bits that need filling in | 04:19 |
| njohnston | and I think the DB piece needs to be in place before versioned objects can really be gated on | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: i think u have started looking into this ? | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: i have some basic stuff on rules added to the db patch | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | but we will need at least a skeletal piece of code on the Firewall group | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | before we can hit the versioned object - agent interaction if i am not mistaken | 04:20 |
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| njohnston | which change is the firewall group? | 04:21 |
| SridarK_ | if we can start getting these piece integrated that will could be our first steps | 04:21 |
| SridarK_ | the db changes to support firewall group | 04:22 |
| njohnston | ah, I see | 04:22 |
| njohnston | The good news is that Armando's fix merged last week, so the gate should be working fine now. Yay! | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | yes it is | 04:23 |
| shwetaap | SridarK_: sorry, yea I have taken a look at the extension patch, but I havent made any changes to it yet. | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | we have tempest passing too | 04:23 |
| yushiro | :) | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: ok no worries | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | so we are pretty much operational | 04:24 |
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| njohnston | #topic L3 Agent Extension | 04:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L3 Agent Extension (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:24 | |
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| njohnston | The spec is still waiting for comments: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/ | 04:25 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: yes i am looking at it | 04:25 |
| njohnston | If folks could take a look and give feedback, or +1 if it looks good to you. | 04:25 |
| yushiro | njohnston, Sure. | 04:25 |
| njohnston | Thanks SridarK_! | 04:25 |
| njohnston | Thanks yushiro! | 04:26 |
| njohnston | #topic Observer Hierarchy | 04:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Observer Hierarchy (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:26 | |
| njohnston | mfranc213 was wondering about the RPC callbacks/observer hierachy: can the same mechanism, whatever it may end up looking like, be the same for L2 and L3 callbacks/notifications? | 04:26 |
| SridarK_ | I have pinged the submitter and he is retesting the patch | 04:27 |
| mfranc213 | njohnston: i don't know, unfortunately | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | what does it look like for L2 | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | i suspect it should be similar | 04:27 |
| mfranc213 | miguel may be able to speak to this. | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | we are essentially looking for changes in port state | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | or router state in L3 | 04:28 |
| mfranc213 | but my belief is that these would be structurally the same if not simply one thing. ("these" = the two RPC callback implementations, for L2 or L3) | 04:29 |
| mfranc213 | again, i think miguel can shed light on this | 04:29 |
| SridarK_ | for L3 extensions - this piece is already present as the Observer Hierarchy | 04:29 |
| mfranc213 | yes | 04:29 |
| SridarK_ | there are some router events that one can register callbacks to get notifications | 04:29 |
| mfranc213 | sorry, change would for could ^^ | 04:30 |
| SridarK_ | i suspect for L2 we can register for port events ? | 04:30 |
| njohnston | Yes, I believe that is correct, looking at how QoS does it: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/services/qos/notification_drivers/manager.py | 04:30 |
| yushiro | mfranc213, SridarK_ regarding L2, I think it is very similar architecture QoS too. | 04:31 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok | 04:31 |
| njohnston | actually that is the manager, here is where it registers for notifications: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/services/qos/notification_drivers/message_queue.py | 04:31 |
| yushiro | However, we have to define new agent_driver, right? | 04:32 |
| padkrish | SridarK_# Isn't that what German's patch does? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268316/2/neutron_fwaas/services/firewall/agents/v2/l2_agent_extension/fwaas_extension.py? | 04:32 |
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| SridarK_ | padkrish: yes i think German starting pulling things together - but i think it is still WIP | 04:32 |
| padkrish | Basically get port notifications from L2 agent extensions and FW resource notifications similar to observer hierarchy | 04:33 |
| padkrish | SridarK_#Yes agreed | 04:33 |
| yushiro | padkrish, correct. | 04:33 |
| mfranc213 | on the L2 level, is it just notifications of port updates that is needed by the agent? | 04:34 |
| SridarK_ | i would think so | 04:35 |
| mfranc213 | please fix the grammar of that question as you read it :) | 04:35 |
| SridarK_ | mfranc213: :-) | 04:35 |
| yushiro | mfranc213, yes. I think so too. | 04:35 |
| mfranc213 | i recall something about namespace information needed by the agent. maybe i imagined that? | 04:36 |
| SridarK_ | mfranc213: that is for L3 | 04:36 |
| mfranc213 | thank you | 04:36 |
| SridarK_ | ok i think we need to sort out some of these interactions for the agents | 04:36 |
| njohnston | yes | 04:37 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: , padkrish: are u guys looking into this ? | 04:37 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, currently, we're looking into QoS implementation for L2. | 04:37 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: , mfranc213: i think both of u have domain expertise here | 04:37 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok | 04:38 |
| yushiro | padkrish, SridarK_, And, I'll try to update xgerman's patch(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268316/ | 04:38 |
| padkrish | SridarK_# Yes.. thanks to mfranc213, njohnston for the QoS pointers | 04:38 |
| njohnston | Happy to help, anytime :-) | 04:38 |
| SridarK_ | padkrish: yushiro: other things u guys would like discuss on this topic ? | 04:38 |
| SridarK_ | mfranc213: njohnston: thx for all the pointers | 04:39 |
| padkrish | if i understand right, the versioned objects in the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268316/2/neutron_fwaas/objects/ports.py is where more work is needed | 04:39 |
| SridarK_ | padkrish: ok | 04:39 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, currently OK. | 04:40 |
| padkrish | this is where i think, German was referring to following QoS patch more closely | 04:40 |
| SridarK_ | yes agreed | 04:40 |
| xgerman | Yep | 04:40 |
| padkrish | xgerman# there you are :) | 04:40 |
| SridarK_ | now to make progress on the L3 Agent framework, we should look for defining a workflow that is quite similar | 04:41 |
| xgerman | Yeah, I heard my name :-) | 04:41 |
| SridarK_ | :-) | 04:41 |
| padkrish | :) | 04:41 |
| njohnston | :-) | 04:41 |
| mfranc213 | :) | 04:41 |
| yushiro | smile! | 04:41 |
| mfranc213 | i love this meeting | 04:41 |
| SarathMekala | just to be in loop :) | 04:41 |
| njohnston | I think the last major thing I have been tracking is | 04:42 |
| SridarK_ | hang on | 04:42 |
| * njohnston hangs | 04:42 | |
| SridarK_ | So we can try to get some comments on to njohnston's spec | 04:42 |
| SridarK_ | i would like to see if we can flush out a basic L3 workflow along the lines of L2 | 04:42 |
| SridarK_ | i think having a similar model greatly increases how quickly we can get support on the L3 framework | 04:43 |
| xgerman | Yeah, the more we can share the better | 04:43 |
| mfranc213 | +1 | 04:43 |
| SridarK_ | and if we have a model in place, given that we have a working L3 model - we can refactor the code (to commonize with L2) and fit the final L3 model | 04:44 |
| SridarK_ | at least in a ideal world this might work | 04:44 |
| SridarK_ | ok i am done on this topic | 04:45 |
| njohnston | #topic Neutron iptables changes | 04:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron iptables changes (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:45 | |
| mickeys | I still need to file the bugs and start on the code for security groups coexistence | 04:46 |
| njohnston | mickeys: Is there anything we can do to facilitate? | 04:46 |
| mfranc213 | mickeys: would you be able to email the group sample sample iptables doc that show before (with SG but not FW entries) and after (with both SG and FW entries | 04:46 |
| mickeys | Yes I can email the sample. Actually I should just put that in the bug? | 04:47 |
| mfranc213 | yes, perfect. | 04:47 |
| SridarK_ | +1 | 04:47 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:47 |
| mfranc213 | and this would show the wrapped and unwrapped stuff | 04:47 |
| mickeys | Yes | 04:47 |
| mfranc213 | nice | 04:47 |
| mickeys | chandanc: Any chance you can take on the conntrack coexistence issue? | 04:48 |
| chandanc | Sure will take a look | 04:49 |
| mickeys | I can file the bug | 04:49 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc: SarathMekala: Did u guys also have any other questions ? | 04:49 |
| chandanc | not at this time | 04:50 |
| SarathMekala | I was going through Mickeys patch.... and felt if it would be helpful if there is a spec for reference | 04:50 |
| SarathMekala | any pointers in this regards? | 04:51 |
| mickeys | I don't have anything written up. The main starting point is to understand the security groups iptables firewall driver. | 04:51 |
| mickeys | We could have a call? | 04:51 |
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| SarathMekala | Yeah that would be helpful | 04:52 |
| njohnston | Well, we have seven minutes left, so let's open the floor | 04:52 |
| njohnston | #topic Open Discussion | 04:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:53 | |
| mfranc213 | by the way, one thing i just realized (maybe i'm the last to realize): to add myself as a reviewer too all relevant fwaas-related patches in order to get notifications | 04:53 |
| njohnston | I try and add folks when I see them missing, but I don't know everyone's launchpad ID. In particular padkrish and shwetaap I had a hard time finding you to add as a reviewer for a change. | 04:54 |
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| mfranc213 | also, nate's dependency chart and some things that i will finish when i get cycles should go on our wiki. sorry for keep mentioning the wiki. | 04:54 |
| SridarK_ | mfranc213: yes pls let me know what u would like to add | 04:55 |
| SridarK_ | we can sync offline | 04:55 |
| xgerman | Wiki is good. But we should also start a doc directory in tree | 04:55 |
| SridarK_ | i think there are issues with access so i can proxy | 04:55 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: +1 | 04:55 |
| njohnston | I like a doc directory in tree | 04:55 |
| mfranc213 | xgerman +1 | 04:55 |
| padkrish | #njohnston# I will add myself as reviewer and will mail my launchpad ID | 04:56 |
| mfranc213 | +3 really | 04:56 |
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| njohnston | Thanks padkrish! | 04:56 |
| njohnston | So, is this meeting time still working for everyone? | 04:56 |
| mfranc213 | not me, really :( i'm sorry. but i will keep doing it. | 04:56 |
| yushiro | Hi, I'm summarizing FWaaSv2 L2 part at etherpad in order to share our(my) progress. I'll send link ASAP. | 04:57 |
| mfranc213 | for me, anyway: maybe ask this same question, about meeting time, next week? | 04:57 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: ok sounds good thx | 04:57 |
| SridarK_ | :-) | 04:57 |
| njohnston | mfranc213: sure thing | 04:57 |
| njohnston | yushiro: Thanks, I look forward to reading it | 04:57 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: mfranc213: will sync offline to see how we can get some basic integration with plugin going | 04:58 |
| yushiro | xgerman, hi. I'd like to ask you some question about your patch. | 04:58 |
| SridarK_ | i would like for us to start churning the patchsets | 04:58 |
| njohnston | +100 to churn | 04:58 |
| xgerman | yushiro: sure | 04:58 |
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| SridarK_ | also folks can u pls pull a devstack env - albeit v1 | 04:59 |
| yushiro | How about discussing #openstack-fwaas | 04:59 |
| yushiro | ? | 04:59 |
| SridarK_ | then u can start playing with things | 04:59 |
| xgerman | Sure | 04:59 |
| yushiro | padkrish, How about you ? | 04:59 |
| SridarK_ | 1 min | 04:59 |
| padkrish | sure yushiro | 04:59 |
| yushiro | xgerman, padkrish Thank you. Let's move #openstack-fwaas after 1 minute. | 05:00 |
| njohnston | all right, I have to call time | 05:00 |
| xgerman | K | 05:00 |
| yushiro | Oh, it's now :) | 05:00 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 05:00:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| njohnston | thanks all | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-05-25-04.00.html | 05:00 |
| mfranc213 | goodbye | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-05-25-04.00.txt | 05:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-05-25-04.00.log.html | 05:00 |
| chandanc | bye | 05:00 |
| SridarK_ | ok folks thx for joining | 05:00 |
| hoangcx | Thanks :-) | 05:00 |
| SarathMekala | thanks | 05:00 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 05:32 |
| soichi | hi | 05:32 |
| reedip | Hello | 05:32 |
| kaz | hi | 05:32 |
| yamamoto | #startmeeting taas | 05:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 05:33:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:33 |
| yamamoto | we have nothing on agenda | 05:33 |
| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:33 |
| yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 05:33 |
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| soichi | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317847/ | 05:34 |
| soichi | yamamoto: i think your idea is nice | 05:34 |
| soichi | but, i have a question | 05:34 |
| reedip | I have been offline for a while now, and have come back to normal timings... I will start work on the L2 plugin, it has been delayed for a long time | 05:34 |
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| yamamoto | reedip: l2 agent extension? | 05:35 |
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| reedip | sorry, yeah | 05:35 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 05:36 |
| yamamoto | L2 Extension flow management, including taas | 05:36 |
| yamamoto | soichi: what's the question? | 05:37 |
| soichi | do you have any reason to use "https://www.openstack.org/..." for the video in vancouver summit, on the other hand "https://www.youtube.com/..." for the one on austin? | 05:38 |
| reedip | yamamoto: so we dont need to do anything ? | 05:38 |
| yamamoto | reedip: i guess the first step of l2 agent extension support doesn't need to care about flows from other extensions, though | 05:38 |
| soichi | if shorter url is prefered, what do you say to use "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cAkRUB3TCE" for vancouver? | 05:38 |
| yamamoto | reedip: we need to turn our agent to l2 agent extension. the review is about coordination among extensions. | 05:39 |
| yamamoto | well, i haven't read it yet, but it's my understanding. | 05:39 |
| yamamoto | soichi: i chose the url as it looks more official to me | 05:41 |
| reedip | yamamoto: let me read it and discuss it with ajo once :) | 05:42 |
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| soichi | okay, i see. i guess it is better to use "https://www.openstack.org/summit/videos/..." for austin. | 05:43 |
| yamamoto | soichi: is it available? i couldn't find it when i searched. | 05:43 |
| soichi | yes, "https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/tap-as-a-service-what-you-need-to-know-now" | 05:44 |
| yamamoto | soichi: thank you | 05:44 |
| soichi | welcome | 05:45 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316830/ common flow classsifer meeting schedule | 05:48 |
| yamamoto | 17:00 UTC is somehow insane for JST folks though :-) | 05:49 |
| soichi | yeah | 05:50 |
| soichi | it is difficult to attend on line, but i'd like to check IRC logs. | 05:51 |
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| yamamoto | anyone have anything more to discuss today? | 05:51 |
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| soichi | i have no additional topics for today. | 05:52 |
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| kaz | me too. | 05:53 |
| reedip | This is Today ???? | 05:53 |
| reedip | the CFC meeting | 05:53 |
| reedip | Its difficult for Indian Standard Time as well :P | 05:54 |
| yamamoto | reedip: it isn't officially scheduled yet (as the patch is not merged) | 05:54 |
| reedip | the patch for the timing of the meeting? | 05:54 |
| yamamoto | reedip: yes, irc-meetings patch | 05:54 |
| * yamamoto waiting for a while before closing the meeting | 05:56 | |
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| yamamoto | i guess we've done | 05:58 |
| yamamoto | thank you! | 05:58 |
| yamamoto | #endmeeting | 05:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 05:58:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-05-25-05.33.html | 05:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-05-25-05.33.txt | 05:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-05-25-05.33.log.html | 05:58 |
| soichi | see you, bye | 05:58 |
| kaz | bye | 05:58 |
| reedip | bye | 05:58 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 08:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 08:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 08:00 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 08:00 |
| tsufiev | a quiet morning meeting | 08:00 |
| robcresswell | Usually is :) | 08:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | a quiet evening meeting ;-) | 08:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | [I'm also cooking dinner] | 08:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I do have a BP I'd like to run past you though | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | Sure. Just want to highlight the midcycle for anyone checking minutes | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | #info Remember to register for the Horizon midcycle! Everyone is welcome to attend | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonNewtonSprint | 08:02 |
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| * tsufiev still getting travel approval | 08:02 | |
| robcresswell | #topic Blueprint Review | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint Review (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 08:02 | |
| robcresswell | Fire away r1chardj0n3s | 08:02 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so it turns out I don't have a BP for you because it's already been approved ;-) | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 08:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I didn't do my pre-meeting homework, sorry | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | Which one was it? | 08:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/admin-views-filter-first | 08:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | got some folks working away on it | 08:03 |
| robcresswell | Yep, I instantly approved those due to previous discussion | 08:03 |
| robcresswell | didnt need to revisit it. | 08:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david's been working with them on it | 08:03 |
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| robcresswell | Thats great. I'd like to continue refining the Django views while we move bits and pieces to angular. | 08:04 |
| tsufiev | I have one item on my BP agenda | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | Sure, go tsufiev | 08:04 |
| tsufiev | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-glance-large-image-upload was approved some time ago, but now it seems that its scope has changed | 08:04 |
| tsufiev | I have both Django and Angular implementation | 08:04 |
| tsufiev | and I would like to get Django implementation merged as well, because it could be backported to mitaka release, contrary to Angular implementation | 08:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so a Django implementation ... the opening line "bypassing Django" isn't really accurate any more? :-) | 08:05 |
| robcresswell | Can't backport a feature. Unless you meant locally for MOS etc | 08:06 |
| tsufiev | well... it is bypassing part of Django | 08:06 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, yeah, I meant downstream backports | 08:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | right | 08:06 |
| tsufiev | well, downstream backporting is not something that upstream would be really interested in, anyways it _might_ be interested in having this feature for Django - as long as Django is still supported | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | I don't have a huge issue with using the same blueprint. Its not overloaded (5/6 patches?) and it provides a good "story" for how the code moved forward. | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | Might make sense to update the wording in it though. | 08:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sounds good to me too | 08:08 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, okay, I'll update the description section there | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | We're not strict on specs like the other projects. As long as the feature concept it sensible and the patches are tracked, we don't need to spend hours refining blueprints IMO. | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | concept is* | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | Thanks tsufiev | 08:08 |
| tsufiev | btw, r1chardj0n3s, I found out how to use the same approach for Swift upload | 08:09 |
| tsufiev | I mean, CORS feature | 08:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: cool | 08:09 |
| robcresswell | I have one bp to mention, its more of a discussion point than a solid feature proposal. | 08:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so we can route around Django's FD issue ;-) | 08:09 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/data-architecture | 08:10 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, yep, will try to refresh my patch today | 08:10 |
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| robcresswell | Its a vague title, but a discussion worth having with the angular rewrites | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | URL patterns and code structure seem to be hopping around a bit | 08:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, interesting | 08:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | doesn't mention s/instance/server though, so REJECT | 08:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | <wink> | 08:12 |
| robcresswell | :) | 08:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (I'm still not entirely sure how that conversation got derailed at the summit) | 08:12 |
| tsufiev | I like the idea, Admin dashboard quite often looks redundant | 08:12 |
| tsufiev | I mean certain panels within it | 08:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but the admin panels are basically fronting over admin access to services, right? | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | Anyway if you have any thoughts on it, please note them down. Wanted to get some early discussion on the BP before mentioning at midcycle. | 08:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so there's different permissions going on there | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Right, but a lot of it is very minor. The admin networking views for example, are nearly all direct inheritance | 08:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | right | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | Which adds a lot of boilerplate and duplication. | 08:14 |
| tsufiev | and all the addition 'admin' stuff could be hidden with policy.check() | 08:14 |
| robcresswell | So there are gains to be made in that regard | 08:14 |
| robcresswell | Precisely | 08:14 |
| robcresswell | Davids point is good though, you wouldnt want someone accidentally deleting someone elses resources, for example. | 08:14 |
| tsufiev | + we decided to stop using roles.admin permissions, in favor of checking policies | 08:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | also it avoids the issue of us splitting out the angular implementation details of views because they're shared between the two sets of panels | 08:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | that's a level of obfuscation I'm not happy about | 08:15 |
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| robcresswell | Yep. So we would just have <horizon_url>/images/<id> for example | 08:15 |
| * tsufiev just read David's remark | 08:15 | |
| robcresswell | It ties in to the angular too, which atm is using <url>/details/<resource_name>/<id> | 08:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, David's point clarifies what I was thinking about there | 08:16 |
| robcresswell | oops, forgot a '/project/' in there | 08:16 |
| tsufiev | that would be a really good topic for UX research... | 08:16 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, I'll see if Piet has any thoughts | 08:17 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, do you know how the process of discussing the changes is organized now in UX community? | 08:18 |
| tsufiev | I have fallen out from its workflow recently :/ | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | I do not. They were organising research, but I don't recall the process | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | the next meeting is this friday | 08:18 |
| tsufiev | okay, should come there and see what's going on... | 08:19 |
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| robcresswell | I've dropped that bp into the agenda so I can raise it there, see if there is any interest | 08:20 |
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| robcresswell | Cool, thats all from me and the agenda is empty. | 08:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | quiet, quick meeting :-) | 08:22 |
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| * tsufiev in the process of updating glance-image-upload bp, will finish 10 minutes later | 08:23 | |
| robcresswell | So if you have any thoughts on that bp, please leave comments; its just intended to generate early discussion so that its not a new idea at the midcycle (since time is limited) | 08:23 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep | 08:23 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 08:23 |
| tsufiev | sure | 08:23 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 08:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 08:23:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-05-25-08.00.html | 08:23 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 13:02:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:02 |
| domi007 | hi all | 13:02 |
| claudiub | hello. :) | 13:02 |
| sagar_nikam | Hi | 13:02 |
| atuvenie | o/ | 13:02 |
| abalutoiu | hello | 13:02 |
| sonu | Hi everyone | 13:02 |
| claudiub | sorry I started a bit late, was pinged about nova-rescue. :) | 13:02 |
| itoader | o/ | 13:02 |
| kvinod | hi | 13:02 |
| claudiub | ok, so some status updates | 13:03 |
| claudiub | #topic monasca Windows support | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monasca Windows support (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:03 | |
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| claudiub | still in progress. I've fixed the disk checker, so now disk metrics are good. | 13:04 |
| claudiub | there were a couple of fixes to do there. yeay. | 13:04 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: the monasca BP is approved ? | 13:04 |
| claudiub | currently looking at process checker, seems to be working. might be dependent on psutil version. | 13:04 |
| lpetrut | Hi guys | 13:04 |
| claudiub | not yet, for some reason. | 13:05 |
| alexpilotti | hi folks | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | ok, could you discuss this in the last monasca meeting ? | 13:05 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I spoke with tpl, he seemed fine with most changes. | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: Hi... welcome back ... to IRC meetings | 13:05 |
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| claudiub | yep, I've brought this up to the last monasca meeting | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: was it roland ? | 13:06 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | let me know if i need to follow up | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | i can try it | 13:06 |
| claudiub | sure. I'll ping him today again. | 13:06 |
| sonu | are you collecting vnic metrics too on hyper0v? | 13:06 |
| claudiub | vNIC metrics are being collected by the hyperv checker, which is still in progress. still have to cleanup the refactor. | 13:07 |
| claudiub | as for host NIC metrics, they are collected by the network checker. | 13:07 |
| sonu | Yeah it makes sense | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: i think we need the followin metrics to start off .. disk, network, cpu and memory | 13:08 |
| sonu | for vnic, do you put the port-id as one of the dim? | 13:08 |
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| claudiub | anyways, some reviews would be nice. | 13:08 |
| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/monasca-agent+branch:master+topic:bp/add-windows-support | 13:08 |
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| sonu | and you would have to revisit this when we have OVS in place on Hyper-V | 13:10 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: you mean the VMs metrics? | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | first host metrics should be fine, we can then move to VMs metrics | 13:10 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yeah also on the list will be disk.iops and disk.latency | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | currently vmware driver for monasca does that | 13:10 |
| claudiub | sonu: you mean the vNIC metrics, right? | 13:11 |
| sonu | then OVS plugin will be useful - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306621/ | 13:11 |
| sonu | yes I meant vnic metrics | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: how about monasca metrics if the host is in MSCluster and we are using nova cluster driver | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | we give CSV metrics ? | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | instead of disk | 13:12 |
| claudiub | sonu: yeah, I should look at that | 13:13 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: hm, the disk checker takes all the available partitions, and collects metrics | 13:13 |
| claudiub | so, if the CSV is mounted on the host and has a drive letter, its metrics should be collected. | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: ok.. should be fine.. | 13:14 |
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| claudiub | but there's a chance the metrics can't collected. for example, for Floppy Disk Drive and CD / DVD Disk Drive, disk metrics can't be collected. | 13:15 |
| claudiub | even with drive letter. | 13:15 |
| claudiub | anyways. in my list of to do, is to also look at the iis checker | 13:16 |
| claudiub | there's some wmi stuff there. :) | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: IIS checker ? is it for web server or some thing else | 13:17 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:17 |
| claudiub | #topic nova patches | 13:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova patches (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:17 | |
| claudiub | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 13:18 |
| sagar_nikam | i saw one nova patch merged ... nice | 13:18 |
| claudiub | so, last week something happened, apparently. :) | 13:18 |
| claudiub | not just one. :) | 13:18 |
| claudiub | since thursday untill now, we've had 6-7 patches merged. | 13:18 |
| claudiub | and we have 2 more patches with a +2. | 13:19 |
| claudiub | which is great, it came as a nice surprise. :) | 13:19 |
| claudiub | also, apparently, we'll have to add support for PCI passthrough on Hyper-V. | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | cluster driver not in that etherpad ? | 13:20 |
| claudiub | it is | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | ok found it ... | 13:20 |
| claudiub | and we'll have to investigate SRIOV as well. | 13:21 |
| claudiub | fun times. :) | 13:21 |
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| sonu | is PCI-SRIOV a requirement? | 13:21 |
| claudiub | sonu: what do you mean? | 13:21 |
| sonu | I mean which release is this targeted for? | 13:21 |
| claudiub | we're targetting Newton. | 13:22 |
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| claudiub | at the very least, it will land on compute-hyperv, but hopefully it will also land on nova. | 13:22 |
| sonu | Have you started work on this already? or yet to start. | 13:22 |
| sonu | we were interested in contributing this feature, if you are fine with it. | 13:22 |
| claudiub | sonu: I've started investigating for disk passthrough. I already have an env for that. For the rest, I'll need another env. :) | 13:23 |
| claudiub | sure, any help is welcome. :) | 13:24 |
| sonu | I was aiming for VM NICs as PCI and SRIOV passthrough. | 13:24 |
| claudiub | but it will have to done until June 25, if it is to land on nova. | 13:24 |
| domi007 | so exactly one month from now | 13:25 |
| claudiub | sonu: afaik, NIC passthrough is available only on Windows Hyper-V Server 2016. | 13:25 |
| claudiub | domi007: yep. | 13:25 |
| claudiub | sonu: for the rest, there's only SRIOV | 13:25 |
| sonu | so you mean SRIOV has to be done till June 25 | 13:26 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:26 |
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| claudiub | anyways, moving on. | 13:26 |
| sonu | I shall connect with you offline on this topic thanks. | 13:26 |
| claudiub | # os-brick status | 13:26 |
| claudiub | sonu: cool. :) | 13:26 |
| claudiub | so, there are 2 patches that needs to land in os-brick: | 13:27 |
| claudiub | # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312999/ | 13:27 |
| claudiub | this already has a +2, which is nice. | 13:27 |
| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272522 | 13:28 |
| claudiub | this one doesn't have any +2s :( | 13:28 |
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| claudiub | really hope everything gets in asap. | 13:28 |
| claudiub | so we can move on with the nova fibre channel patches. | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | agree | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | anybody hpe that i need to request for review on os-brick patches ? | 13:30 |
| claudiub | hemna. :) | 13:30 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:30 |
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| claudiub | # topic OVS | 13:31 |
| claudiub | #topic OVS | 13:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OVS (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:31 | |
| claudiub | so, there's a new blog post that you might like: | 13:31 |
| claudiub | #link https://cloudbase.it/open-vswitch-2-5-hyper-v-part-1/ | 13:31 |
| claudiub | should be interesting | 13:32 |
| domi007 | :) I've seen this while in progress, good stuff, it works great in our env | 13:32 |
| claudiub | as for OVS vif plug driver on nova, we're waiting for os-vif to become a dependency in nova. | 13:32 |
| claudiub | domi007: nice, good to know. :) | 13:33 |
| domi007 | the only thing I wasn't able to figure out is how to run VLAN and VXLAN networks simultenously | 13:33 |
| sonu | do you use OVS firewall driver now with this? | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: some months in IRC meeting, we discussed about microsoft certification for OVS, anything happened on that ? | 13:34 |
| claudiub | atuvenie: ^ | 13:34 |
| claudiub | hmm, alexpilotti? ^ | 13:34 |
| sonu | or we should continue using WMI (or MI rather) driver | 13:34 |
| domi007 | atuvenie told me she is working on trying to make the secgroups MI driver work on Liberty | 13:34 |
| domi007 | on Mitaka I heard it works thanks to sonu | 13:34 |
| claudiub | yeah, I think its because of the enhanced rpc blueprint. :) | 13:35 |
| sonu | yeah | 13:35 |
| claudiub | sonu: thanks for the blueprint. :) | 13:35 |
| domi007 | it doesn't work for us on Liberty, getting OVS running needed some cherry-picking as well - mainly because the windows OVS driver wasn't complete and working in Liberty | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | sorry folks, I'm jumping through meetings | 13:35 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: we started that process a few days ago | 13:35 |
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| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: thanks.. let us know how it goes | 13:36 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: sure, it will take some time to process, I'll keep you guys updated of course! | 13:37 |
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| claudiub | domi007: as for the vlan and vxlan networks, I haven't tried it yet. | 13:38 |
| claudiub | domi007: simultanously. | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: any plans for DVR ? | 13:38 |
| domi007 | claudiub: they supposed to work, I'll try to adapt settings from KVM hosts to see if it works | 13:38 |
| sonu | DVR is heavy lifting for Hyper-V | 13:38 |
| claudiub | domi007: sure, let us know how it goes. :) | 13:39 |
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| sonu | DVR works on namespaces on Linux compute. We must evolve something equivalent on Windows. | 13:39 |
| claudiub | sonu: getting the neutron l3-agent to work properly on Windows is gonig to be tricky. :) | 13:40 |
| sonu | yes, But we should have this in roadmap, since sooner we will need it | 13:41 |
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| claudiub | indeed. we'll look at it once we finish all our work in progress blueprints. | 13:42 |
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| sonu | claudiub: sure | 13:42 |
| claudiub | any other topic you guys want to discuss? | 13:42 |
| sonu | yes | 13:43 |
| sonu | one question | 13:43 |
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| claudiub | sure | 13:43 |
| sonu | From the source, I see that we handle multiple physnet scenario in Hyper-V. | 13:43 |
| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:43 |
| sonu | meaning physnet:br1, physnet2:b2 | 13:43 |
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| sonu | so all VMs on physnet1 goes over uplink on br1 | 13:44 |
| sonu | and on physnet2 goes over uplink on br2 | 13:44 |
| sonu | this is a classic use case in Linux KVM.. | 13:44 |
| claudiub | ok | 13:44 |
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| sonu | and using our bridge mapping on hyperv neutron.conf, we can set the physnet and bridge mapping | 13:45 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:45 |
| sonu | and Ia m hoping that this is a supported scenario to test. correct? | 13:45 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:45 |
| sonu | we were finding some issues. So wanted blessing to continue our debugging :) | 13:45 |
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| claudiub | what issues exactly? | 13:46 |
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| claudiub | I assume it's networking-hyperv, right? | 13:46 |
| sonu | Vms on one physnet cannot reach out. | 13:46 |
| sonu | yes it is networking-hyperv. | 13:46 |
| sonu | We will investigate and root cause the problem tomorrow. | 13:46 |
| domi007 | I have two little questions as well: when adding a second SMB backend to cinder the following error message can be seen in the log: http://paste.openstack.org/show/4FZfv4AbYIWL9nrmo2zH/ probably originating from this call https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/stable/liberty/cinder/cmd/volume.py#L86 | 13:47 |
| domi007 | the second is: have you heard anything from c64cosmin about freerdp? | 13:47 |
| claudiub | sonu: do those VMs get an IP? | 13:47 |
| sonu | no they don't | 13:47 |
| claudiub | c64cosmin: hi. :) | 13:47 |
| c64cosmin | hi guys | 13:47 |
| domi007 | hello :) | 13:48 |
| c64cosmin | I'm just waiting to get my PR merged :) | 13:48 |
| claudiub | domi007: that's a very weird error | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: what is the fix for ? | 13:48 |
| c64cosmin | several fixes | 13:49 |
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| domi007 | claudiub: I agree, it should work just fine with any number of backends I guess | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: once they are merged, can we have a MSI in stable branch, our QA can pick and test | 13:49 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: totally | 13:50 |
| claudiub | domi007: yeah, I would assume so. what backends did you configure? | 13:50 |
| domi007 | claudiub: I have the config file here, got it from a colleague, could it be caused because of having the same mount point base? http://paste.openstack.org/show/0Hle4B0gZIK0nBZiDDbY/ | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin:let me know when the MSI is ready, we pick it up | 13:50 |
| domi007 | sagar_nikam, c64cosmin +1 | 13:50 |
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| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: if deb is available, we can pick and test that as well... i know that is in plans... we can try both MSI and deb | 13:51 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: in your case, the deb might be useful | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | domi007: how is your tests going with freerdp behind haproxy ? | 13:52 |
| claudiub | domi007: it might be possible, actually. | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: yes eagerly waiting for deb... can test as soon as it is available | 13:52 |
| domi007 | sagar_nikam: I decided to wait for the new MSI, currently busy with networking and this SMB issue | 13:53 |
| claudiub | domi007: do you have a full log by any chance? | 13:53 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: as I said last week, you and domi007 will be anounced directly when available :) | 13:53 |
| domi007 | claudiub: I'll try to create one and get it to you, thanks | 13:53 |
| claudiub | wondering if lpetrut knows more about this. | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | domi007: i think you should try deb and haproxy instead of MSI and haproxy | 13:53 |
| domi007 | c64cosmin: really appreciate it | 13:53 |
| claudiub | domi007: sure, I'll let him know. | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: thanks | 13:54 |
| domi007 | sagar_nikam: it doesn't make a difference, I can try the deb as well, we have Ubuntu machines running as controller nodes | 13:54 |
| c64cosmin | thank you | 13:54 |
| claudiub | sonu: still here? | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilloti: claudiub: how are the tests going with WIN 2016 | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | i believe we cant run MSI on it | 13:55 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: really? why? | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | i remember reading it somewhere on the net that it will not be supported | 13:56 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: we had a lot of tempest test runs on win 2016 until now. | 13:56 |
| claudiub | for each cycle and release. | 13:56 |
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| sagar_nikam | cluadiub: installed on WIN2016 using MSI ? | 13:56 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | ok. | 13:56 |
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| claudiub | what exactly is the issue? | 13:57 |
| claudiub | is there any error, or? | 13:57 |
| claudiub | can you provide the installer logs? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: not tried it.. just read it | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: can you provide me the location from where i can download the latest TP of WIN2016 | 13:58 |
| claudiub | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server-technical-preview | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam | thanks | 13:58 |
| claudiub | np. :) | 13:58 |
| domi007 | claudiub: maybe this: "Nano Server does not include MSI as an installation technology due to dependencies" https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/windowsserver/2015/11/16/moving-to-nano-server-the-new-deployment-option-in-windows-server-2016/ | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | yes | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | i meant nano server | 13:59 |
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| sagar_nikam | of WIN 2106 | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | sorry i should have been more clear | 13:59 |
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| sagar_nikam | have you tried tests on nano ? | 14:00 |
| domi007 | np my Googleing was fruitful anyway :) | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | how does it work ? | 14:00 |
| claudiub | domi007: oh, i see what you mean. for nano, you cannot use a msi | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: yes, we cant use MSI | 14:00 |
| claudiub | anyways, we have to end the meeting. :) | 14:01 |
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| sagar_nikam | thank you all | 14:01 |
| claudiub | thanks for joining. :) | 14:02 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 14:02:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-05-25-13.02.html | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-05-25-13.02.txt | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-05-25-13.02.log.html | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 15:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
| kamil_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| FlintHPE | o/ | 15:01 |
| igorn | hi \o | 15:01 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| koji | o/ | 15:01 |
| laszloh | o/ | 15:01 |
| tomasztrebski | o/ | 15:01 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:01 |
| rbrndt | o/ | 15:01 |
| slogan | o/ | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | impressive | 15:01 |
| tgraichen | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | agenda is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1. Discuss mid-cycle | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2. Discuss adding the ability to publish logs to Kafka topics based on a list of dimension filters and keystone roles. For example, if operational logs and audit logs need to be stored in separate Kafka topics (TSV - HPE) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3. Reviews: | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Â Â Â Â https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301355/ (agent hang fix) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Â Â Â Â https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ (kv hint) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 4. Deterministic alarms | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 5. Periodic notifications | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | So, it looks like i can travel to wherever we decide to host | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | the mid-cycle | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | but, from last week, it looks like we can't all travel to the same location at the same time | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | and for the most part it was split down the center | 15:03 |
| bklei | will probably need to allow virtual either way | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | i think my preference is to run it all remote this time around | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | inclusivity is more important to me | 15:04 |
| slogan | works for me | 15:04 |
| bklei | ok with me too | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | and it is hard to justify travel for just half the team | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | after the barcelona summit the mid-cycles will be predefined | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | by the openstack organization | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | and i think at that point everyone should push hard to make the design summits | 15:05 |
| slogan | I was against travel, but now that the TSA has vastly been improved.... | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | i think the date is sometime in february | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | and forgot where | 15:05 |
| jayahn | glad to hear TSA has been improved. | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | so, unless anyone objects, let's do another remote mid-cycle in july | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | we just need to decide on the week | 15:06 |
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| hosanai | let's fight against time zone :-) | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | well, we can also mixup the mid-cycles to do half morning | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | half night | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | so folks in Asia time-zone are taken care of too | 15:07 |
| hosanai | thanks! | 15:07 |
| jayahn | great! | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | np | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | are any of the weeks preferable? | 15:08 |
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| bklei | either works for me -- 7/18 or 7/25 | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | well, let's wrap up on the date next week | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | not everyone is here | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | and maybe we can modify the doodle | 15:09 |
| bklei | good idea | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so i'll close on this for now, and move on to agenda | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | tsv: are u here? | 15:10 |
| tsv_ | yes | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | #topic logging api | 15:11 |
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| rhochmuth | the floor is yours | 15:11 |
| tsv_ | thanks | 15:11 |
| tsv_ | i wanted to discuss adding support for publish logs to specific kafka topics based on filter criteria (using dimensions) | 15:12 |
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| tsv_ | this is to differentiate audit logs from operational logs, for example, where the topic retention could be different for audit logs | 15:12 |
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| tomasztrebski | so instead of single topic in api - rather multiple topics detected from logs or fallback to default ? | 15:13 |
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| tsv_ | correct | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | so, basically we could use a diemsion such as log_type = log or audit | 15:13 |
| tsv_ | sdake, i see we already have support for multiple topics, but cannot filter | 15:13 |
| tsv_ | yes | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | and audit logs would end-up on a separate topic | 15:14 |
| tomasztrebski | yes - there are multiple topics supported but all messages goes for all topics | 15:14 |
| tomasztrebski | as you mentioned - that's not selective | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth | audit topic would potentailly have a different retention period | 15:14 |
| slogan | sounds like a nice idea | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think the idea is pretty simple, and justification and pretty clear | 15:14 |
| tomasztrebski | +1 | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | thanks tomasztrebski | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | +1 | 15:15 |
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| kamil_ | and who will consume this new topics? | 15:15 |
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| tsv_ | kamil, in our implementation, logstash filter would read from this topic and forward to a different Elasticsearch index | 15:16 |
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| kamil_ | could you not filter directly in kibana? | 15:17 |
| koji | you mean that the difference between the audit log and current log is only the retention, right? | 15:17 |
| tomasztrebski | I think thay could but that does not resolve problem of retention | 15:17 |
| tsv_ | koji, if Kafka security is enabled, the ACLs could be different too | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | i think there are multiple differences, with retention being probably the main motification | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | motiivation | 15:18 |
| kamil_ | tomasztrebski, yeah that's true | 15:18 |
| koji | at first, i thought that you propose the feature for the customer, like cloud trail of AWS | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | no, this is all internal | 15:19 |
| koji | ok, thank you | 15:19 |
| tsv_ | tomasztrebski, why do you say that ? kafka supports per topic retention settings right ? | 15:19 |
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| kamil_ | tsv: tomasztrebski was answering my question | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | I am just thinking on using dimensions for that | 15:20 |
| tsv_ | kamil, got it thanks | 15:20 |
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| tomasztrebski | if that's the routing - perhaps more verbose approach and simple add routing property into the log | 15:21 |
| tomasztrebski | also Kamil - there's a question of an idea of log-metrics where logs needs to go through particular topic in order to be transformed into metrics if certain severity happens | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: are you proposing that we add a spefic field, or just use dimensions | 15:23 |
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| kamil_ | a think a field is easier to analyze in logstash | 15:24 |
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| slogan | almost seems like it might be a better thing as a field | 15:24 |
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| slogan | but only because when I think of dimensions, I think of metadata about my metric, not details about how it is handled | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | slogan: agree | 15:25 |
| jayahn | i agree on that, might be better as a field. | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | the dimensions have been really about identity | 15:25 |
| slogan | if we find the need for more control data, perhaps there is some other thing that is a sibling to dimensions for that | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | so, a "type" field might be preferred | 15:25 |
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| tomasztrebski | in metrics there is value_meta, but I don't think that's suitable | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: agree | 15:26 |
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| slogan | or "handling": { "type": xyz, "retention": abc, ...} | 15:26 |
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| slogan | something like that | 15:27 |
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| tsv_ | in addition to the field (or dimension), don't we also need a keystone role ? for example, if we want to restrict write access to the audit topic ? | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth | not sure we need a role, but that could be a separate discussion | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | so, i would like to get to rest of agenda | 15:29 |
| tsv_ | rhochmuth, ok | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | tsv: can you submite blueprint | 15:29 |
| tsv_ | thanks, sure will do | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | also I think that that might suit monasa-common quite nice, if you don't see any objections | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | then we can discuss, comment further | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | oh...ok sorry, I didn't see that we are done with this for now...sry | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | np | 15:30 |
| tsv_ | tomasztrebski: sure, thanks all for the support | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i'm rushing us through | 15:30 |
| kamil_ | please distribute the blueprint to us. thx | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i think a field is the general concensus | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | then slogan's idea is a good one too | 15:30 |
| tsv_ | rhochmuth: ok | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | possibly making it a dictionary to allow for additional attributes | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | although, i would prefer calling the new field something like attributes, rather than handling | 15:31 |
| slogan | yep | 15:31 |
| slogan | or just "meta" | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | but, in gneral, i think we hace some concensus/direction | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | meta, also might be nice | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | ok, need to move on | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | #topic reviews | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | Â Â Â Â https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301355/ (agent hang fix) | 15:32 |
| bklei | that's me -- how do you guys think that's looking? | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think this is ready for merging | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | there are several +1's from the hpe tam | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | team | 15:33 |
| rbrndt | tested it over the weekend, didn't see any errors or missing metrics | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: you had looked at earlier | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | are you ok with a merge? | 15:33 |
| bklei | good to hear, we are hitting that bug a bunch, but we deployed that fix on a staging node, no hangs yet | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks rbrndt | 15:33 |
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| tomasztrebski | I've had it running for 3 days and never saw anything that would suggest that agent has stopped | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: thx for all the testing | 15:34 |
| bklei | +1 | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: if you +1, i'll merge it | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | so, related to that review, we had talked about multi-processing/threading the plugins | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | so all plugins would run as their own thread/process | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | bklei: are you planning on continuing with that development | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | or is this an area where the joe/michael would work on? | 15:36 |
| bklei | i'm not sure about that rhochmuth -- i thought that was joe | 15:36 |
| bklei | yeah | 15:36 |
| tomasztrebski | I think that the idea is in overall very good - to sandbox each plugin | 15:37 |
| rbak | Yeah, I think the plan was for Joe to take over from here | 15:37 |
| bklei | joe ok with that? | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i don't think joe is here, but will follow-up with him and hoppal | 15:37 |
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| bklei | cool | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | i think he is ok, just the time thing | 15:37 |
| bklei | sure | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: agree | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so will close on this topic, merge current code, and hoe/hoppal to follow-up | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | joe | 15:38 |
| bklei | cool, thx | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ (kv hint) | 15:39 |
| bklei | me again -- i think this one's been sitting a while | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'll need to take another look, but it sounds like you think it is ready for a merge | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | will try and review again today | 15:39 |
| bklei | yeah -- ryanb did some testing, didn't see any improvement, but didn't hurt either | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | right | 15:39 |
| rbrndt | yup | 15:40 |
| bklei | sorta taking vertica support at their word | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | but it is hard to test know in this case | 15:40 |
| bklei | yeah | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | so, agree, if vertica recommends, then we should enable | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | hopefully you'll see an improvemnt if prod | 15:40 |
| bklei | that's what i'm operating on | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Deterministic alarms | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deterministic alarms (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:40 | |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: looks like some code is ready for merging | 15:41 |
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| tomasztrebski | monasca-common here is ready to merge IMHO and without it I cannot proceed with thresh and api | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292753/ | 15:41 |
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| rbrndt | I notice thresh failed with the current common changes | 15:42 |
| rbrndt | and I tried building locally with the same result | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | for api - I've just fixed one last issue with tempests so that should be fine as well, thresh and ui are finished for me as well | 15:42 |
| rbrndt | don't know if the error is in the thresh or common change though | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | hmm...I haven't looked at thresh that much assuming that lack of certain fields in model is causing that issue | 15:43 |
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| tomasztrebski | and looking at log from gate right now it looks like that actually the problem | 15:43 |
| tomasztrebski | for instance: cannot find symbol 2016-05-20 13:01:00.659 | [INFO] symbol: method isDeterministic() | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | so, if common is merged, gate should pass | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | as your review for common i'm assuming adds isDeterminstic | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | is that correct" | 15:45 |
| tomasztrebski | that and couple other things like grammar | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | rbrndt: is it possible your local build didn't get installed into maven repo? | 15:46 |
| rbrndt | i can try building again, perhaps it was misaligned | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | i think you need to pull monasa-common, and then mvn install | 15:47 |
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| rbrndt | yeah, I did that | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'll let you reverify and then see if we can resolve | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | if resolved, then will merge | 15:48 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: sound good? | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | so, will wait for all clear from rbrndt | 15:48 |
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| rhochmuth | should we move on | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | sorry, just checking if we can close for now, and move on next topic | 15:51 |
| tomasztrebski | i have nothing to add, will reverify that my self as well and post a comment with my results | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: thx | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Periodic notifications | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth | so, mhoppal, what is status | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | and is this ready for merging, presumably | 15:52 |
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| mhoppal | the api review | 15:52 |
| mhoppal | is ready for reviews | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | or more development required | 15:52 |
| mhoppal | and merging | 15:52 |
| mhoppal | the client, ui and notification | 15:52 |
| mhoppal | have some comments to address | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks | 15:53 |
| mhoppal | client should be ready today | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | will move on, just wanted to give folks a heads-up on that bit of work since it is a new feature too | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic open | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | we have about 5 minutes left | 15:54 |
| FlintHPE | may I put in a quick shameless plug for the Monasca-Transform review (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315245)? ;-) | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | FlintHPE: thansk for reminder | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | turns out i didnt' have +2 privs | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | will get that today and merge | 15:54 |
| FlintHPE | cool...thanks! | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | sorry about delay | 15:55 |
| FlintHPE | no worries | 15:55 |
| shinya_kwbt | I wrote blue print about monasca-ui pagination style. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/horizon-pagination-style | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | thanks shinya_kwbt | 15:56 |
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| shinya_kwbt | To adopt horizon pagination style needs to api sort option. | 15:56 |
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| shinya_kwbt | needs to chanage sort option or add new option. | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | so sorry, i didn't review, but i'll review, and we should discuss next week | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | does that sound ok | 15:57 |
| shinya_kwbt | Thanks. | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | so, this can be first topic next week | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | rbrndt: you''ll want to review this one too | 15:58 |
| rbrndt | alright | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | so, time has almost up again | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | any last gasp topoics | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | i keep thinking we need more time | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | i have a meeting after this, but i'll be in the monasca room | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | going to close down the meeting | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
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| hosanai | thanks & bye | 16:00 |
| koji | thanks | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | bye hosanai, koji | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| shinya_kwbt | bye | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 16:01:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-05-25-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-05-25-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-05-25-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 16:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
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| catherineD | o/ | 16:01 |
| gema | o/ (can only stay until half past) | 16:01 |
| docaedo | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #info agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.4 | 16:01 |
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| shamail | Hi all. | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | #link Today's agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.4 | 16:02 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 16:02 |
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| markvoelker | Ok folks, let's dive right in.... | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic I'm baaaaaaaack | 16:02 |
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| gema | markvoelker: welcome back! | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | Thanks hogepodge for running the meeting while I was traveling the past couple of weeks! | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | hi markvoelker! | 16:02 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dwalleck | welcome back! | 16:03 |
| Rockyg | gema, I haven't gotten to the review yet :-( | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | Just FYI, I did a talk on interop for the China Open Source Cloud League while I was in China and they're quite interested in what we're doing. =) | 16:03 |
| shamail | Welcome back markvoelker and thanks hogepodge | 16:03 |
| gema | Rockyg: don't worry, now it is a slightly different doc, hopefully better :D | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | #topic Pending TC Resolutions | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pending TC Resolutions (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:03 | |
| gema | Rockyg: I will be off next week, so next meeting for me is in 2 weeks | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | Mostly just a heads-up if folks aren't aware, but there are a couple of DefCore-related TC resolutions winding their way though gerrit | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | #link Add resolution explaining which tests we think defcore should use https://review.openstack.org/312718 | 16:04 |
| Rockyg | mark, next time you go to China, we can probably arrange a talk through Huawei, too. Sponsor a meetup or some such. Same offer to the rest of you | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | #link Add resolution asking defcore committee to avoid using proxy APIs in tests https://review.openstack.org/312719 | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: sure. Probably won't be going back till next spring, but ya never know. =) | 16:05 |
| Rockyg | gema, cool. Gives me some time. Life iss currently exciting here. | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | #topic Glance Import Refactor FYI | 16:06 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: on the previous topic | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: go ahead | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: would it make sense to flag the proxy tests when 2016.08 lands to encourage the direct APIs, as a response to the pending TC resolution? | 16:07 |
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| hogepodge | deprecate, etc | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | (assuming the resolution passes) | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | Well, I think it would make sense to let the TC debate the resolution and see if lands before we take action. =) | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | naturally, but thinking ahead | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | But assuming it does, we should probably look at rescoring those with future direction set to 0 | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | the proxies have been sources of problems for us regardless | 16:08 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. The future direction is definitely away from those. | 16:08 |
| VanL_ | Why not just deprecate the proxy API tests (assuming 1. This passes, 2. We agree) | 16:08 |
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| hogepodge | a year in, they haven't been fixed (esp the image calls) | 16:08 |
| hogepodge | VanL_: deprecation works too | 16:09 |
| hogepodge | do both, as a clear signal | 16:09 |
| Rockyg | Well, the image stuff has been slow to get changed/accepted.... | 16:09 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: these tests are currently flagged . Right? | 16:09 |
| VanL_ | These are clearly not the right direction, and we don't want to bake in that *every cloud* has to have them if we are trying to get rid of them | 16:09 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: not all of the proxy tests are flagged | 16:10 |
| shamail | VanL_: +1 | 16:10 |
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| hogepodge | afaik | 16:10 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 16:10 |
| dwalleck | I agree with markvoelker about making sure the TC resolution lands, but when it does the path VanL_ and hogepodge said makes sense | 16:11 |
| shamail | hogepodge: do we need to take an action to flag them? | 16:11 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: do we have vendors failing the un-flagged tests ? | 16:11 |
| VanL_ | Don't just flag them, remove them. | 16:11 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: yes | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | we are seeing that the prod devs are making decisions based on current features and imposing them on current supported versions (sort of backporting directions) | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | Well, flagging is thing we could do that has effect on Board-approved Guidelines. Deprecation would get them out of future Guidelines. | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | So I think the answer isn't one or the other. | 16:12 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: so those vendors could not certified for powered logo ... I think we do have to at least flag them ... | 16:12 |
| shamail | I guess should they. | 16:12 |
| Rockyg | for us, we are still on juno, but will move to Mitaka, so already only v3 on Keystone. Problem with the 2015.07 tests... | 16:12 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: do we need to flag before deprecate? | 16:13 |
| shamail | Should we flag for now (pending resolution) and then remove them eventually? | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: no. The two are independent. You can do one, the other, or both. | 16:13 |
| shamail | What catherineD said :) | 16:13 |
| Rockyg | Well flagging seems our version of deprecating... | 16:13 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: so we can go from required to deprecate .. | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: we do both. deprecation for one cycle is required to remove capabilities | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: yes | 16:14 |
| Rockyg | companies who move forward won't be caught by old direction tests. | 16:14 |
| dwalleck | Well, flagging could be seen to imply that the test could be fixed | 16:14 |
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| VanL_ | I'd vote for deprecation. | 16:14 |
| shamail | Good point dwalleck | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: flags are supposed to have reasons and resolutions, which range from fixing the test to removing the test | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | dwalleck: We could just cite D400 when flagging it | 16:14 |
| Rockyg | Or removed if not fixed | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | E.g. it does not meet Criteria | 16:15 |
| shamail | I agree with VanL_ if the options are independent. | 16:15 |
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| VanL_ | We have an opportunity here before we put forward the next guideline | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | shamail: flagging removes problematic tests from the enforced standards, deprecation is a signal that capabilities will be removed | 16:16 |
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| hogepodge | shamail: so yes, I'm in favor of doing both | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker | VanL_: Yeah, I imagine the TC will vote on the resolution well before we send the next Guideline to the Board in a few months | 16:17 |
| shamail | Thanks for the explanation. | 16:17 |
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| markvoelker | VanL_: so once they vote on it, I would have no problem with someone proposing deprecation | 16:17 |
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| markvoelker | VanL_: and proposing flags against current Guidelines, for that matter | 16:17 |
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| markvoelker | Ok folks, sounds like we have general agreement that once the TC votes on that resolution we want to respond accordingly. Ready to move to next topic? | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | how aoubt an agreement line for minutes? | 16:19 |
| hogepodge | thanks markvoelker | 16:19 |
| dwalleck | +1 | 16:19 |
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| Rockyg | or info... | 16:19 |
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| markvoelker | #agreed Once the TC votes on the aforementioned resolutions, we should respond in current and forthcoming Guidelines | 16:19 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: I think for approved guidelines the test should be flagged ... for future guidelines tests should be deprecate | 16:19 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: correct | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | Ok, moving on | 16:20 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Glance Import Refactor FYI | 16:20 |
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| markvoelker | Rockyg sent a note about this to the list as well, but just thought we'd highlight it here as well since several of you have been involved in that conversation | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | #link image import refactor spec http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/image-import/image-import-refactor.html | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | A meeting has been proposed for May 26 at 15:00 UTC if you'd like to attend. Don't think the venue was set last time I looked at the thread... | 16:21 |
| * markvoelker checks | 16:21 | |
| Rockyg | thanks | 16:22 |
| catherineD | seems like only 10 slots for the meeting | 16:22 |
| Rockyg | could happen in meeting-cp | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | Looks like it'll be at https://plus.google.com/events/cb4acoebucn25vu8f7enprp85j4 | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | More info here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#Image_Import_Refactor_Sync_.231_--_Newton | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | #link Image IMport Refactor Sync Meeting Info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#Image_Import_Refactor_Sync_.231_--_Newton | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker | Anything else on this topic before we move on? | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | nikhil:do you have more info on how to join the meeting? | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: see link above | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, moving on... | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | #topic Open Reviews | 16:25 |
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| markvoelker | We have several reviews open for DefCore and a few DefCore-related reviews open elsewhere (including the TC resolutions above) | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | Let's take a few minutes to run down the list and see if we need to talk through anything in the meeting. If not, that's fine too. | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | #link Remove test lists and generators, update procedures https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313669/ | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | This one looks ready to land and is pretty non-controversial. Anything to discuss here? | 16:27 |
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| hogepodge | I'm ready for it to be merged if there's agreement | 16:27 |
| dwalleck | Looks reasonable | 16:28 |
| shamail | +1 | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | Ok. Let's move on then. | 16:28 |
| catherineD | I will need to send a patch to flag a few tests in the advisory section that still require 2 users | 16:28 |
| catherineD | after that patch is merged | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | I've made changes to refstack-client, and interop page to reflect the changes | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: ok | 16:29 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: thanks | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | #link Added formal 1.5 json schema for gating against https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311265/ | 16:29 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: I started looking at this one this morning (still digging out from under my travel backlog) and will finish up this afternoon | 16:30 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 16:30 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: for this one please refstack will need to update the website before DefCore merge this one | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: we'll make sure not to merge until refstack is ready | 16:30 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: thx | 16:30 |
| * gema goes out of the room without making too much noise, see you guys in two weeks (please keep sending comments on the spec, there is a new version to review/comment on) | 16:31 | |
| hogepodge | there's an associated patch to make it gating | 16:31 |
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| Rockyg | bye, gema! | 16:31 |
| catherineD | please review this one on RefStack for 1.5 schema support https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319057/ | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317800/ | 16:31 |
| shamail | See you gema | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | thanks gema, have a nice vacation | 16:32 |
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| shamail | Newbie question: does DefCore actively review these changes during the meeting or just compile a list so we can review before end of the week? | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: hogepodge: thanks, added both to the etherpad | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | shamail: most of the reviewing happens offline in gerrit, but sometimes it's useful to discuss individual items while we're together. | 16:33 |
| Rockyg | hghlight the list needing review, shamail | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | Anything else on this change? | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | my main concern with the patch is if we need to do linting since the schema kind of already does that | 16:33 |
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| shamail | Thanks, seemed like a lot to read/absorb in the meeting itself. :) | 16:33 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: you mean the gate check? | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | yeah. I do a schema check and a lint check | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | I wasn't seeing other projects using the linting library | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | that I pull in with that patch. Just something to think about | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Hmm. Ok, I'll look that over this afternoon too then. | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | Next up, another schema change... | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | #link Introduce target_programs definition https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310621/ | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | This one seems to have gone a bit cold, so could use some reviews | 16:36 |
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| hogepodge | I'll add a review that it needs a formal schema | 16:37 |
| dwalleck | I'll take a look at it this afternoon | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: ++, I don't think we'd started that work when this was initially proposed | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | But would definitely be good to have going forward | 16:38 |
| catherineD | More important is to discuss whether DefCore support non-defcore guidelines at RefStack for poublic view | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | My feeling is that refstack needs to finish up work to support DefCore, which is the project mandate. There's usefulness in allowing projects to define guidelines to help with future defcore direction. Heat immediately comes to mind | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: Agree that's an important conversation, but I think this change is a smaller scope. Is there a refstack review on that somewhere we should be contributing to? | 16:40 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: agree. I think the intention to prepare for introducing none defcore or openstack target programs | 16:41 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, the mandate is DefCore, but the founders and original core all had the greater interop test sets as the goal. | 16:42 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: not yet for this schema version ... we only have a ptach for hogepodge: 's version 1.5 | 16:42 |
| Rockyg | But, yes, inital focus was defcore | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: ok thanks | 16:42 |
| * markvoelker glances at clock | 16:43 | |
| Rockyg | is defcore, but we need to keep the greater mission in mind for the design | 16:43 |
| shamail | Rockyg: +1 | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | Anything else on this particular patch? | 16:44 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/26bed1be455737c91f30de24f42518ebb36b7665/reference/projects.yaml#L3714 | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | It's the project mission, and it's currently a work in progress fulfilling that mission. | 16:46 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. The yaml file does not capture the mission that was put together before the yaml files were uesed. | 16:46 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: that was that statement that was conditional for the project to be accepted into the big tent. It is deliberate and meaningful | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | I suggest that we take mission-statement-of-refstack discussions up with the refstack folks elsewhere in the interest of time. =) | 16:47 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | #link compute-image flags were not carried to 2015.07 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310582/ | 16:47 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker: +1, good discussion to have though | 16:47 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: do we have bugs filed on the implicit deps here yet? | 16:48 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: also, I guess since we're getting rid of the guideline directories and lists we can probably drop those from the patchset... | 16:48 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: no, I can do it this afternoon | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: awesome, thanks | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | Any other discussion on this one? | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: sure, it'll need a rebase | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | #link Add simple test for Neutron GET / https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311747/ | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | This one's actually in Tempest, but it's a test being proposed because we wanted to include a Capability and found it didn't have a test | 16:50 |
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| markvoelker | Seems like the general logic has been ok'd, so I can probably work up a similar thing for Glance this week | 16:50 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | Ok, next couple have to do with admin creds in the networking tests... | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | #link Remove network port tests that requires admin credentials https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300608/ | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: more of my backlog work items | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | #link Remove capabilities due to tests required admin credentials https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299491/ | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | hopefully I can get to looking over the network tests tomorrow and Friday | 16:52 |
| catherineD | I think we should merge this one since those tests already been flagged in the next.json | 16:52 |
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| dwalleck | hogepodge: Do we have the go ahead from the Neutron team to rework these tests? | 16:52 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Ok, awesome. I was going to start poking at those probably next week-ish if nobody else had that on their plate as I think we definitely want to get those fixed up | 16:52 |
| catherineD | it would take time to fix .... meanwhile we should flag them so the users do not have to spend time debug | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: I don't have enough information to make an ask | 16:53 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: Good point, neither do I :-) I've looked at them but I don't fully understand if those scenarios can be done without admin creds | 16:54 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: hogepodge: it would take time from investoigating for solution and actually fix them .. | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I'll +1 with recommendations by the end of the day. Is that reasonable | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: these tests currently aren't required anyway, right? | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | E.g. they were advisory in 2016.01 | 16:55 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: right but some users looks forward for next required test also look at advisory tests | 16:55 |
| catherineD | they are flagged in the required section of the next.json | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: I'm not sure removing them is a good idea if we think they can be fixed up to not require admin credentials. By removing them completely we'd have to start the advisory cycle all over again. | 16:56 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: not removing --> flag them I mean this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300608/ | 16:57 |
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| catherineD | sorry my mistake | 16:57 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: sometimes admin tests are really easy to fix. I just need to check the endpoint to see if admin is required for the operation. | 16:57 |
| catherineD | I would rework the patch to flag them | 16:57 |
| hogepodge | I should have done it last week | 16:57 |
| markvoelker | Doesn't that patch remove them though? | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | it's usually a matter of changing the client type, the test remain the same | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | Oh, you're saying remove the tests, not the capability | 16:58 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: yes it does ... my mistake | 16:58 |
| catherineD | let me rework both patches to flag the tests | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: cool | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | Ok, last couple of minutes here folks | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #link Fix Criteria defs in next.json https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319010/ | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | Nothing much to say on that one, just a sync with the definitions we already agreed on | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | We're about out of time...thanks folks! See you in #openstack-defcore | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 25 17:00:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-05-25-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-05-25-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-05-25-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 17:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
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| melwitt | o/ | 17:01 |
| doffm | \o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | small crowd, but let's get going | 17:01 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 17:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 17:01 |
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| alaski | no cellsv1 breaks that I know of | 17:01 |
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| alaski | auggy has kindly offered to work on cellsv2 testing | 17:02 |
| alaski | she was researching what it would take to get a grenade job going on that | 17:02 |
| doffm | Thanks auggy. | 17:02 |
| * bauzas waves a bit late | 17:03 | |
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| alaski | one point of interest that came up was whether we encourage deployers to migrate as part of an upgrade, or after | 17:03 |
| alaski | and should grenade test M->N plus migrate, or N->N plus migrate | 17:03 |
| alaski | I leaned towards thinking that deployers will want to do it in two steps | 17:04 |
| bauzas | yup | 17:04 |
| alaski | so they would migrate to N, then at some later point migrate to cells | 17:04 |
| melwitt | that's my thought as well | 17:04 |
| bauzas | that depends on if we want to support deployers not yet using cells v2 | 17:04 |
| alaski | bauzas: so far I've been working under that assumption | 17:04 |
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| bauzas | so, the question is : should we accept to have operators deploying Newton without using cells v2 ? | 17:05 |
| alaski | and I don't think there's anything to prevent migrating to cells during an upgrade, but that won't be the tested/recommended path | 17:05 |
| alaski | bauzas: yes, I think so | 17:06 |
| bauzas | and then, the correlated question is: if we accept Newton deployments without cells v2, should we deprecate it for Ocata then ? | 17:06 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 17:06 |
| doffm | Yes. We don't want that to go on too long. | 17:06 |
| alaski | I would like to put a hard cut off for O | 17:06 |
| bauzas | okay, so the point is | 17:06 |
| alaski | i.e. must migrate to cellsv2 before upgrade to O | 17:06 |
| bauzas | okay, so we answered the question you had | 17:07 |
| doffm | Absolutely. We (developers) are at some point going to make assumptions that cellsv2 is set up. | 17:07 |
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| bauzas | ie. grenade for M-N and then N->N + cells V2 | 17:07 |
| alaski | bauzas: yep. we all seem to be on the same page | 17:07 |
| bauzas | saying that at the GA for Ocata, all the deployers will be using cellsv2 | 17:08 |
| alaski | doffm: that will make some code much easier, right now I have conditionals everywhere | 17:08 |
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| doffm | The migration code is basically all conditionals. | 17:08 |
| bauzas | (ie. at least running the main command) | 17:08 |
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| bauzas | I mean the one-for-all command | 17:08 |
| alaski | yep | 17:09 |
| bauzas | okay, I'm fine | 17:09 |
| alaski | the assumption I would like to make is that instance and host mappings are all set up | 17:09 |
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| alaski | cool, let's move on | 17:09 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:09 |
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| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:09 |
| alaski | be better than me and try to keep that updated :) | 17:10 |
| doffm | I haven't put it on the etherpad. (I will) but bauzas had some questions about: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296597 | 17:10 |
| doffm | Basically I think there is a race condition when migrating and updating at the same time. | 17:10 |
| doffm | I'll put additional comments up, but would like feedback on how best to proceed. | 17:10 |
| bauzas | yeah it was my question | 17:10 |
| alaski | okay, I will need to read through it | 17:11 |
| dansmith | I haven't looked, but will | 17:11 |
| dansmith | either way, | 17:11 |
| dansmith | admin-only operations that could be racy without damage during an upgrade don't concern me as much | 17:11 |
| doffm | No, I made that point, no damage caused. | 17:11 |
| dansmith | if it's something a user can do and have issues, that's a probem | 17:11 |
| alaski | good point | 17:11 |
| doffm | And operator only. | 17:11 |
| bauzas | good point yeah | 17:11 |
| dansmith | but an admin can follow renos and not do things like that during an upgrade | 17:12 |
| dansmith | or at least, we can blame an admin who doesn't :P | 17:12 |
| bauzas | given the aggregate API is an admin one, then please nevermind my question | 17:12 |
| bauzas | because I agree with dansmith | 17:12 |
| doffm | Ok. | 17:12 |
| alaski | I still want to take a look, but I agree | 17:12 |
| dansmith | yep, and I will | 17:12 |
| dansmith | we don't want to make too many of those kinds of excuses, | 17:12 |
| bauzas | meaning that only operators modify the aggregates, so they should know when they migrate | 17:12 |
| dansmith | but weigh the relative payoff vs. the complexity | 17:12 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:13 |
| doffm | I just have to make sure that all the update operations actually fail, rather than write to wrong db successfully. | 17:13 |
| doffm | I think that is the case. | 17:13 |
| doffm | Just have to make sure. | 17:13 |
| alaski | if we could have an easy check of "migration has started but not completed so all actions fail momentarily" that seems good. but anything more complex may not be worth it | 17:13 |
| dansmith | like flavors | 17:14 |
| alaski | right | 17:14 |
| dansmith | anything in api db means no updates | 17:14 |
| dansmith | er, anything in either, means no updates | 17:14 |
| doffm | I can add the 'ensure_migrated' check to update ops. | 17:15 |
| alaski | yeah. | 17:15 |
| alaski | cool | 17:15 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:15 |
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| bauzas | cool for me yeah, we could just say "sorry dude, you should know why you have this exception" | 17:15 |
| auggy | o/ hi! | 17:15 |
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| alaski | hi! | 17:16 |
| bauzas | aïl | 17:16 |
| auggy | for the grenade test, i have been updating the testing etherpad and am currently working on setting up a target devstack | 17:16 |
| alaski | awesome | 17:16 |
| auggy | so i will probably have questions ;) | 17:16 |
| melwitt | I proposed the devstack transport_url patch https://review.openstack.org/320746 before seeing that sileht had one up already https://review.openstack.org/317958 | 17:17 |
| alaski | auggy: great. that should be a good opportunity for documenting things that will help someone getting up to speed on cells | 17:17 |
| melwitt | his doesn't handle the cells v1 case so I was hoping we could merge the two. mine passes the cells job in the experimental queue | 17:17 |
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| alaski | melwitt: excellent | 17:18 |
| alaski | I will take a look and comment | 17:18 |
| melwitt | cool, thanks | 17:19 |
| auggy | yeah the docs question was going to be the next thing, since i'm basically fresh eyes on this whole process | 17:19 |
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| alaski | I want to mention something that dansmith, bauzas, and I discussed yesterday but might benefit from further thinking | 17:20 |
| * dansmith doesn't even know what this is | 17:20 | |
| doffm | I have completely forgotten what docs we have. :) | 17:20 |
| dansmith | oh, delete | 17:20 |
| alaski | auggy: there's a cells doc in the devref that could be updated | 17:20 |
| bauzas | plusone | 17:20 |
| alaski | dansmith: yep | 17:20 |
| alaski | it gets even better though | 17:20 |
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| auggy | alaski: ok cool i'll take a look and put together a patch based on my experiences with the grenade/devstack setup | 17:20 |
| alaski | so instance delete currently blocks all progress on ongoing actions through the expected_task_state check on instance.save() | 17:21 |
| alaski | but instance delete when all we have is a buildrequest does not block further actions | 17:21 |
| alaski | like creating an instance in a cell after scheduling | 17:21 |
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| alaski | right now my approach is going to be that instance delete removes the buildrequest and instance_mapping if there is no instance in a cell yet, and their existence should be checked when writing to a cell | 17:22 |
| alaski | which mostly works, but might leave a small window for a race | 17:23 |
| alaski | so if anyone has thoughts on improving that I'm open to suggestions | 17:23 |
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| doffm | The race would be a very odd failure though. Would the instance possibly boot wile the instance_mapping was empty? | 17:23 |
| dansmith | I'm still missing where there is a race | 17:24 |
| alaski | once the RPC call goes to a compute the instance_mapping won't matter | 17:24 |
| dansmith | if we create in the cell db before we send the build rpc call, then a delete can hit the instance and block progress the same way it does today | 17:25 |
| dansmith | if we create instance, delete buildreq in that order, | 17:25 |
| alaski | the delete won't hit the instance until instance_mapping points to it | 17:25 |
| dansmith | then I would think we can clean up the instance if buildreq is gone, before we do the cast, so we're good | 17:25 |
| dansmith | we just have to make sure we create and delete things in the right order I think | 17:26 |
| dansmith | mapping, instance, delete buildreq | 17:26 |
| dansmith | should let us detect the delete before the rpc call I think | 17:26 |
| alaski | so if we write the instance, confirm buildreq/instancemapping exist,* , remap to instance, send RPC | 17:26 |
| dansmith | once the instance and mapping are in place, then the normal delete procedures will work at any point | 17:26 |
| alaski | the * is the race I think | 17:26 |
| dansmith | write instance, write mapping, delete the buildreq, send rpc | 17:27 |
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| dansmith | also, | 17:27 |
| dansmith | if we race at your *, | 17:28 |
| dansmith | then delete will be re-issue-able, right? | 17:28 |
| alaski | if we write mapping at the same time as the delete comes through it might remove the buildreq after we check | 17:28 |
| alaski | yes, the delete is re-issue-able | 17:28 |
| alaski | so not the worst thing, as long as our data stays consisten | 17:28 |
| dansmith | I don't get that last thing | 17:28 |
| alaski | t | 17:28 |
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| dansmith | create mapping and instance in one transaction, | 17:29 |
| dansmith | delete the buildreq in another | 17:29 |
| alaski | mapping and instance are in two dbs | 17:29 |
| dansmith | if delete fails because it's missing, then we undo the instance | 17:29 |
| dansmith | okay, right, but it doesn't matter | 17:29 |
| dansmith | create the instance first | 17:29 |
| dansmith | the instance isn't findable until the mapping is there | 17:30 |
| * bauzas sorry, got distracted | 17:30 | |
| dansmith | so mapping in one transaction, delete the buildreq in a separate transaction | 17:30 |
| dansmith | if buildreq is gone, delete the mapping and instance, never send the rpc | 17:30 |
| dansmith | I think we could whiteboard this in PDX and figure out a plan | 17:30 |
| dansmith | not sure it's worth obsessing over right now | 17:30 |
| alaski | a whiteboard would help | 17:30 |
| alaski | we can move on and discuss this outside the meeting, but I wanted to bring it to everyones attention | 17:31 |
| alaski | there's one further issue | 17:31 |
| alaski | instance tags, which can be created at any point in the instance lifecycle | 17:31 |
| doffm | alaski: Is there a patch where this race is introduced... for comments. | 17:31 |
| alaski | as in, when no instance exists | 17:31 |
| bauzas | I just think the instance mapping should be the very last thing to delete, given any problem we could have | 17:31 |
| alaski | doffm: this is the closest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319379/ | 17:32 |
| bauzas | so we could just ask the user to delete again | 17:32 |
| doffm | alaski: Thanks. | 17:32 |
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| alaski | bauzas: we could | 17:32 |
| dansmith | alaski: you mean tag creation before the instance is scheduled? | 17:32 |
| melwitt | asking the user to delete again, I hope we can avoid that because I think it'll happen a lot more than we are expecting here | 17:33 |
| alaski | dansmith: right. so it's looking like we need to have that code update the buildreq instance | 17:33 |
| dansmith | melwitt: agree we should try to avoid it, but if the tiny race window still allows reissuing of the delete, then that's the least worst | 17:33 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: sure, I'm just saying that if we still have the instance mapping, we can still delete again, which is not possible when the row is removed | 17:33 |
| dansmith | alaski: oye | 17:33 |
| alaski | melwitt: dansmith +1 | 17:33 |
| alaski | dansmith: yeah, I'm hitting a few places where api code needs to be aware of if it got instance from a buildreq and do different things | 17:34 |
| melwitt | yeah, I know it's least worst. just that it's not okay IMO. I think it'll happen a lot and will cause a lot of pain for users | 17:34 |
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| dansmith | alaski: seems like we might be able to argue for a "busy try again in a minute" status code for that | 17:35 |
| dansmith | melwitt: you think the race will? | 17:35 |
| alaski | melwitt: it would need to be a delete call almost immediately after issuing the boot request | 17:35 |
| alaski | melwitt: I would really like to solve this. we need a lock or sync point, and I'm not sure if we have the right things in place to do that yet | 17:36 |
| doffm | Sounds like something that could happen in testing repeatedly. Which isn't the worst thing, but could cause repeated alarms in automated tests. | 17:36 |
| alaski | we previously used task_state | 17:36 |
| dansmith | alaski: that's really not airtight though | 17:36 |
| alaski | true | 17:36 |
| dansmith | alaski: it eventually stops the thing, but not always on the first try, AFAIK | 17:37 |
| alaski | yeah. I'm going to think on it more, and I just wanted to get you smart people thinking on it as well | 17:37 |
| melwitt | dansmith: yes. I think I've seen a lot of bugs in launchpad over the years of people deleting before the instance schedules. perhaps I'm thinking of the old cells v1 bug with delete racing with boot that got fixed when I converted things to instance objects | 17:37 |
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| alaski | but for now I'm going to try relying on checking buildreq delete | 17:38 |
| dansmith | I think it's fully resolvable and not that big of a deal | 17:38 |
| melwitt | that race happened often in the tempest job | 17:38 |
| dansmith | melwitt: sure, I know that kind of thing happens, but I wouldn't say it "affects a lot of our users" I guess | 17:38 |
| bauzas | I tend to agree with dansmith here, because cells v1 delete is a very different problem | 17:38 |
| bauzas | given how we call top/down and bottom/up | 17:38 |
| bauzas | (for cells v1) | 17:38 |
| dansmith | or a lot of pain or whatever | 17:38 |
| dansmith | I think the average horizon user probably clicks delete three times per delete anyway | 17:39 |
| dansmith | like an elevator button :D | 17:39 |
| bauzas | just making some assumptions when issuing a delete doesn't sound hard to do | 17:39 |
| alaski | I think we need to take this to the review, or a whiteboard in pdx | 17:40 |
| melwitt | well, I have seen enough things like that, people boot an instance and immediately delete it. and to have the situation of "oh yeah, sometimes it doesn't really delete it, just delete it again" | 17:40 |
| alaski | I have something to try, but further suggestions definitely welcome | 17:40 |
| melwitt | I'm just saying I think it's worse than the consensus here is saying. just my opinion | 17:41 |
| alaski | I agree it's crappy, but potentially addressable with the current direction | 17:42 |
| alaski | I need to see it visually to convince myself either way | 17:42 |
| doffm | We have reached the cognitive limits of IRC. | 17:42 |
| melwitt | heh | 17:42 |
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| alaski | dansmith: so back to your "try again later" status code | 17:43 |
| alaski | doffm: yep | 17:43 |
| alaski | that touches on the crux of this, which is that there is now a big distinction between pre/post scheduled instances | 17:43 |
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| alaski | to avoid exposing that in the API we sort of need to hide that, but should we really do that | 17:44 |
| dansmith | um | 17:44 |
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| dansmith | too many "thats" in there for me to grok | 17:44 |
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| alaski | heh | 17:44 |
| alaski | should users be aware that an instance isn't really an instance until after scheduling | 17:45 |
| alaski | and some actions may not work until then | 17:45 |
| dansmith | the problem is it's not an action right? | 17:45 |
| alaski | like updating tags or metadata | 17:45 |
| dansmith | an action of shelve doesn't work on a pre-schedule instance, | 17:45 |
| dansmith | but tags have their own CRUD operations, right? | 17:45 |
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| alaski | right. it's not instance actions, it's more actions on data attached to an instance | 17:46 |
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| alaski | s/attached/associated/ | 17:46 |
| dansmith | alaski: so we *can* load modify and save the buildreq, right? the problem is, | 17:46 |
| alaski | we can yes | 17:46 |
| dansmith | high danger of losing writes when multiple things are happening together | 17:46 |
| dansmith | we could use a generation field to at least signal that it happened instead of lying, | 17:47 |
| alaski | that. and that some code now needs two paths | 17:47 |
| dansmith | but that is the same as the "try back later" right? | 17:47 |
| alaski | yes | 17:48 |
| alaski | I'm not sure it's much, or any, worse than today with an instance | 17:48 |
| alaski | my main concern is special casing the code around buildrequests | 17:48 |
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| alaski | but I may be convincing myself that it's only a few things and not that bad | 17:49 |
| dansmith | right but blocking things is less duplication than allowing it to complete in two ways | 17:49 |
| alaski | yes. but if we can avoid blocking I would like to | 17:50 |
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| dansmith | so wait | 17:50 |
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| dansmith | you want to (a) avoid blocking (b) avoid doing it two ways (c) not move tags to the api db? | 17:50 |
| dansmith | please god don't say it's (c) | 17:51 |
| alaski | (a) | 17:51 |
| alaski | but also (c), why would we move tags | 17:51 |
| dansmith | so you want to load/store the buildreq, add a version field? | 17:51 |
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| dansmith | I guess I thought above you said you didn't want to do that | 17:52 |
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| * dansmith notes seven minutes remain | 17:53 | |
| alaski | what I'm hoping to avoid is too much complex if buildreq then foo elif instance then bar | 17:53 |
| alaski | if it can be abstracted nicely I'm not concerned | 17:53 |
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| alaski | yeah, I don't think we'll solve this here | 17:54 |
| dansmith | I dunno, I think you're likely going to have it be pretty complex, | 17:54 |
| dansmith | because tags are not stored in the instance, | 17:54 |
| dansmith | so you're going to need to store them with the buildreq instance, and make sure instance create handles that right | 17:54 |
| dansmith | maybe it will, I'd have to go look, I don't recall you being able to do that though | 17:54 |
| alaski | it doesn't, I would have to add that | 17:55 |
| dansmith | I was thinking tags was a regular @property, but maybe it's a proper field | 17:55 |
| alaski | it's a field | 17:55 |
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| alaski | but it's not normally updated that way | 17:55 |
| alaski | maybe not ever | 17:55 |
| dansmith | it is yeah | 17:55 |
| dansmith | and yeah, it's a weird one | 17:55 |
| alaski | well, I'll put something together and we can discuss on a review | 17:56 |
| alaski | that's all I have today | 17:56 |
| dansmith | tags are not created in create() | 17:56 |
| alaski | anyone want to use up the last 3 minutes? | 17:56 |
| dansmith | anyway | 17:56 |
| alaski | dansmith: yeah, they're a bit odd | 17:57 |
| alaski | okay, thanks all! | 17:57 |
| doffm | Thanks. | 17:57 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-05-25-17.00.html | 17:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-05-25-17.00.txt | 17:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-05-25-17.00.log.html | 17:57 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 25 20:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| tyr_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:00 |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Hi all | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | #Notices | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | uhg | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonNewtonSprint | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | Reminder about the midcycle. Drop your name in if you'll be there, feel free to ping if you have any questions | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | Agenda for today is empty | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | We're an open room if anyone has any topics they'd like to discuss | 20:04 |
| tsufiev | I like the topic 'rechecks are futile' (see ML list) :) | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | re: your earlier comment, yes we can use the room topic | 20:04 |
| tsufiev | \o/ | 20:04 |
| * tsufiev hoping that it won't be actual for more than few days | 20:05 | |
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| robcresswell | Yeah, I'll be looking into that tomorrow morning, need to get things moving quickly | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | I do have one blueprint to mention while there's an audience | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/data-architecture | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | This is intentionally vague, but wanted to get it in peoples heads and open up discussion before the midcycle to avoid wasting limited time. | 20:07 |
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| robcresswell | Its mostly just about how we want to lay out the project moving forward, from both a code and UX point of view. If you have any thoughts, please add them. | 20:07 |
| tyr_ | +1 | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Its a topic that needs to be discussed before the N release, even if the decision is "keep it the same" | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | I curmudgeon-ed that one already | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | there are parts that are on target too | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: I had a similar concern | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | Haha, I saw. Good comments, just want to see what others views are | 20:09 |
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| tyr_ | The project / admin distinction strikes me as reminding root he's root | 20:10 |
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| tyr_ | on that line...perhaps Horizon is always 'project' scoped...but with an 'sudo' button :) | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | It can get quite complex, and making it non-obvious resulting in data loss is not a good way of endearing us to deployers :) | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | That said, it seems like there are some good ways we could reduce overhead visually and in terms of code maintenance. | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | Its just whether that can be done in a reasonable manner, I suppose. | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | Quiet today :) If there are no more items, everyone can have their time back. | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | Make sure to get some reviews in on the blueprints here: https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/newton-1 | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:15 |
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