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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 13:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 13:01 |
| matjazp | hey all | 13:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 13:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 13:01 |
| matjazp | hey ildikov | 13:01 |
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| kmARC | o/ | 13:01 |
| ildikov | hi matjazp | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | hi matjazp kmARC ildikov | 13:02 |
| matjazp | #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 13:02 |
| matjazp | hey kmARC ianychoi | 13:02 |
| ianychoi | Hello all! | 13:03 |
| matjazp | how are you guys? rested from BCN summit? ;) | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | It was so great to see matjazp for the 1st time offline, although I could not see ildikov and kmARC | 13:03 |
| ildikov | yeap, getting there :) | 13:03 |
| ildikov | yeap, my bad sorry, I got too overloaded during the week :( | 13:04 |
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| ianychoi | ildikov, that's pretty fine (and I more want to go to Boston to see others!) | 13:04 |
| matjazp | we have a usual agenda, so nothing special | 13:05 |
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| matjazp | there's nothing to review | 13:05 |
| matjazp | no lingering action items | 13:05 |
| matjazp | clean slate :) | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | I think it would be much better if we discuss: 1) feedback from BCN upstream training 2) tagging current upstream training material | 13:06 |
| ildikov | we had a retrospective meeting last week with the guys and girls who helped out on site | 13:06 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upstream training (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:06 | |
| ildikov | here is the etherpad with the outcome: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-barcelona-retrospective | 13:06 |
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| matjazp | ildikov : nice | 13:06 |
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| ildikov | additionally we have a feedback Google doc with responses from students for our survey #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1an2T3twz6rsJhL-sb08uce7hmtSNsc5TLY3F1mGYEUU/edit#gid=0 | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot.. so nice! | 13:07 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon can give access rights if anyone has issues to open the document | 13:07 |
| * diablo_rojo_phon sneaks in late | 13:07 | |
| matjazp | hey diablo_rojo_phon | 13:07 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: good morning :) | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo_phon, hihi! | 13:08 |
| ildikov | the basic outcome of the retro and feedback form is more interactions and more hands-on practice | 13:08 |
| matjazp | ildikov : does it make sense to distill this feedback to a few graphs and publish it somwhere? Superuser? ;) | 13:08 |
| ildikov | this is where we would like ot move the training | 13:08 |
| ildikov | matjazp: we have an article coming, it's under final edits | 13:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | kmARC: and ildikov and I already have written an article for superuser | 13:09 |
| matjazp | ildikov: great work! | 13:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It should be posted by the end of the week I think. | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | Great work! I really miss an article for upstream training! | 13:09 |
| ildikov | and also once more thanks to all of you for all the effort on this prior to the event!!! | 13:09 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: +1, thanks for the update | 13:10 |
| ildikov | with diablo_rojo_phon we also plan to reach out to the dev community to have more people involved | 13:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: no problem :) | 13:10 |
| ildikov | we would also like to bring parts of the training to local events, like OpenStack Days and make it easier to pick up modules for meetups as well | 13:11 |
| ildikov | it would be great to have the training formatted more as a hands on practice with quizz and exercises | 13:11 |
| matjazp | ildikov: we should prepare a few "scenarios" for using this material in shorter trainings (e.g. openstackDays, Meetups, Usergroups, etc.) | 13:11 |
| ildikov | and have a solutions block for those who're all about reading :) | 13:12 |
| matjazp | ildikov: hehehe.. beat me to it with typing | 13:12 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I agree that it would be great to have more guidelines than what we have today | 13:12 |
| ildikov | matjazp: we need to work more on the content first though IMHO | 13:12 |
| ildikov | matjazp: :) | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | For Korean, I am designing a study for 2hr (bi-weekly) x 6 days and all study participants are highly encouraged to paricipate Korean 2nd upstream training next Feb -> That is what I am planning, to stay upstream training with OpenStack Korea user group | 13:13 |
| matjazp | ildikov: slice it to even smaller pieces, so we can combine it in different scenarios | 13:13 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: sounds very nice, please give us feedback how it goes! :) | 13:13 |
| matjazp | longer one for longer, full day trainings, shorter one for shorter events like user groups | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, sure :) | 13:14 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: on one hand yes and also cut the lecture parts as much as possible | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | For PyCharm, the request URL can be seen on: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Pycharm | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | I think a kind of LP activities are needed to receive PyCharm license | 13:16 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : why not use community edition? | 13:17 |
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| ianychoi | matjazp, hmm... yep for upstream training, community or educational version may be also good | 13:19 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: developers are like snowflakes.. everyone is using a different IDE/editor ;) | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | :-) | 13:20 |
| ildikov | :) | 13:21 |
| matjazp | ok, do we need to define some action items here? diablo_rojo_phon and ildikov will send a link to the article to the Docs ML, ok? | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:22 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yeap, we will do | 13:22 |
| ildikov | we will use it as an advertisement on the dev ML too | 13:23 |
| ildikov | we also need to remove duplications from the slides as we have some currently | 13:23 |
| matjazp | #action diablo_rojo_phon ildikov publish link to the upcoming Superuser article on ML | 13:23 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Easy enough to fix :) | 13:23 |
| ildikov | I would go for deleting what's duplicated and then continue with rethinking and reorganizing what we have | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | By the way, ildikov will you go to PTG and open a session for upstream training discussion and/or participation? | 13:23 |
| matjazp | ildikov : just submit a bug | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | Then I think I will also go there | 13:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: +1 | 13:24 |
| ildikov | yeap, both diablo_rojo_phon and I will be there | 13:24 |
| ildikov | we planned to organize something, but we haven't figured it fully out yet | 13:24 |
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| ildikov | I hope we will have movement before | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | I see. I indeed want to go to PTG at least from i18n team activities | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | Lots of movement :) | 13:25 |
| ildikov | we can reach out to people directly in Atlanta if we don't have enough people | 13:25 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: cool, hope to see you there! :) | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | Yep okay :) | 13:26 |
| matjazp | ildikov: you mean a session about Upstream training and the actual training, right? will there even be a need for Upsteam training at the PTG? | 13:26 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yeap, I will submit an umbrella one | 13:26 |
| ianychoi | And.. are there anyone who would like to change all bug status to invalid and/or fix-released in openstack-dev-sandbox LP? If there no one, then I will do it | 13:26 |
| ildikov | matjazp: actual training? | 13:26 |
| ildikov | matjazp: PTG itself is for people who're already community memebrs and participating/contributing somewhat actively | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, I think it will not be an actual upstream training | 13:27 |
| matjazp | ildikov : yes, exactly | 13:27 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: so we will not have training there, the next one will be in Boston | 13:27 |
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| matjazp | oh... i mistyped my line... "and NOT the actual training, right?" | 13:28 |
| matjazp | now I see | 13:28 |
| matjazp | what you mean | 13:28 |
| matjazp | we're on the same page | 13:28 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yeap, in that case you were right :) | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-dev-sandbox | 13:28 |
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| ianychoi | There are too many bugs from BCN upstream training | 13:28 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : you volunteer to manage them? ;) | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | I think changing all to invalid would be a good idea. Right? | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, sure :) | 13:29 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : great :)) | 13:29 |
| matjazp | #action ianychoi cleans bug queue from BCN training https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-dev-sandbox | 13:30 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thank you ianychoi :) | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | Thanks for adding an action, matjazp | 13:30 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: yeap, I think 'invalid' will do | 13:30 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: also thanks! :) | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo_phon, ildikov : It's my pleasure :-) | 13:30 |
| matjazp | ok, anything else here? smthng we missed? | 13:31 |
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| ildikov | I think we touched on the basics | 13:31 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: kmARC: anything to add? | 13:32 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Nope :) | 13:32 |
| kmARC | not from me either | 13:32 |
| matjazp | moving on then | 13:32 |
| matjazp | #topic training guides | 13:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "training guides (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:32 | |
| matjazp | will this also get some developer attention? ;) | 13:33 |
| matjazp | I think the Upstream training is doing really great, can we also restart the effort here? | 13:33 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: the comments regarding the content above was kind of about that I guess | 13:34 |
| matjazp | with some basic materials for USERS of OpenStack clouds | 13:34 |
| matjazp | ildikov: what do you mean? | 13:34 |
| ildikov | matjazp: like user guide type of training? | 13:34 |
| matjazp | ildikov : well yes, teach users what cloud offers and how to use openstack | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | I still think training guides itself is beneficial to users, and it needs to be more relevant to training purposes rather than other documentations (e.g., user-guide) | 13:35 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I think I misunderstood the first part | 13:35 |
| matjazp | idlikov: effort here == training guides material (minus Upstream training) ;) | 13:36 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yeap, now I figured, I'm not that up to date with that though | 13:36 |
| ildikov | matjazp: we could get some eyes on that from operators though I think | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | For last six months, I wanted to more focus on training guides rather than upstream training, but It was happy for me to more focus on upstream training with ildikov diablo_rojo_phon kmARC matjazp csatari katomo and many other contributors :) | 13:37 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : yes, Upstream training is doing great, what I'm asking is if we can do something about creating the training material for cloud users, not just prospective oepnstack developers | 13:38 |
| matjazp | this is of course a complementary material with other efforts like cloud hackatons etc. | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | Oh with hackathon would be a great idea | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, may be writing an app on a top of OpenStack using OpenStack REST API? | 13:40 |
| matjazp | I can bet that all of us did openstack101 lectures, right? introduce openstack and how to use it to the beginners | 13:40 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: thats covered with firstapp guide (or something like that) | 13:41 |
| matjazp | http://developer.openstack.org/firstapp-shade/ | 13:42 |
| matjazp | I'm talking about creating slides that presenters can just take and use at the introductory openstack talks at user groups/student meetups/etc | 13:43 |
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| ianychoi | matjazp, thanks for the link. But I think documentation and training are different. To develop this, training guides material needs to be organized like a real training material, such as Microsoft Official course book | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | #link https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/learning/course.aspx?cid=20483 | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | (Just a reference for such details) | 13:44 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : yes, the link was for reference, it is not a training material per se | 13:44 |
| kmARC | lol | 13:45 |
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| ianychoi | Then... I agree that more user and 101 side on training guides would be much beneficial, rather than current associate guide | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/draft/training-guides/ | 13:47 |
| matjazp | ok, time's almost up.. moving on, so we don't run out | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, how about using training guides material as 'training guides for upstream training mentors?' | 13:48 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: to be a mentor, you need to already know a lot about openstack | 13:49 |
| matjazp | ok, we can talk about this on the next meeting | 13:49 |
| matjazp | #topic any other business | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, hmm good point :) | 13:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:49 | |
| ianychoi | And... I want to ask to all: Would it be a good idea to make a branch: stable/newton for current upstream training material? It seems that for the number of words, more than 30% has been changed. IMO branching would be a good idea. | 13:50 |
| ildikov | what schedule will we use? | 13:50 |
| matjazp | contonuos publishing | 13:50 |
| matjazp | continuous | 13:50 |
| ildikov | I still like ISO week better as it's consistent | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | For translation (i18n) sides, branching is a good idea :) | 13:50 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: I'm not sure versioning for training material is that useful | 13:51 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: we would like people to get the latest most up to date version | 13:51 |
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| matjazp | to develop for openstack, you need to use what we use, no need to know what we were using in the past ;) | 13:51 |
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| matjazp | it just add to the confusion | 13:51 |
| ildikov | matjazp: | 13:52 |
| ildikov | +1 | 13:52 |
| matjazp | ildikov: I don't care what we use.. we can use ISO nr for weeks | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Hmm.. okay For i18n side, I wanted to have translators translation period for training guides, but good point from ildikov and matjazp :) | 13:52 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: I think we haven't agreed yet, that's why I'm asking | 13:52 |
| matjazp | it was just easier for me to remember on the top of my head if we have IRC meeting this week or not | 13:53 |
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| matjazp | if we use ISO #, I'll just look in my calendar instead :) | 13:53 |
| matjazp | what do others prefer? | 13:53 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I'm the opposite :) | 13:53 |
| matjazp | kmARC ianychoi diablo_rojo_phon | 13:53 |
| kmARC | I don't have an opinion TBH :-) | 13:54 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Whatever works. Just let me know. | 13:55 |
| matjazp | I'll leave the reservation for every week, though. We may need weekly meetings before the Summit | 13:55 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: ? opinions? ISO nrs or week nr of the month? | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | I don't have strong opinion to both but 1) docs team now restricts to have one meeting per month. training-guides specialty team requested twice per month. Then just 1st/3rd weeks in month would be more logical 2) For my usual schedule, following ISO weeks is better, since my local upstream training study in Korea will be bi-weekly :) | 13:55 |
| matjazp | oh.. right. I talked with Lana and she's OK with meetings twice a month | 13:56 |
| ildikov | if we try to recruit more people I think ISO weeks is easier to follow | 13:56 |
| matjazp | ildikov: :) | 13:56 |
| ildikov | although we can separate mentor and actual training format activity from the material | 13:56 |
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| ildikov | if we think that makes sense and then we can have the schedule of this meeting according ot the regular docs guidelines | 13:57 |
| matjazp | ok, lest just use ISO week numbers, like other projects do, ok? any objections? | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | Then.. I think at least one needs to attend docs team IRC meeting regularly. I think the main purpose of such restriction is that many speciality teams attend their meetings but do not attend docs team meetings.. | 13:57 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : I'll take care of that | 13:58 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : I can also report to Lana over mail | 13:58 |
| ildikov | matjazp: cool, tnx! | 13:58 |
| matjazp | I was dont that to the Etherpad anyway | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, thanks! :) Actually new meeting time is good but it is 6am in Korea.. T.T | 13:58 |
| matjazp | dont==doing | 13:58 |
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| ianychoi | Then me also +1 for ISO weeks :) | 13:59 |
| matjazp | #info we follow ISO week numbers for the IRC meeting | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | final question.. then may be | 13:59 |
| matjazp | time's up | 13:59 |
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| ianychoi | even? or odd weeks? | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | current week is even week:) | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | Let's finish and discuss on #openstack-doc irc channel | 14:00 |
| matjazp | ok | 14:00 |
| matjazp | bye all | 14:00 |
| ildikov | I'm fine with even if we don't want to confuse ourselves more :) | 14:00 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 14:00:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-15-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-15-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-15-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
| tdurakov | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 14:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tdurakov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
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| tdurakov | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| davidgiluk | hey | 14:01 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | agenda for the meeting https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:01 |
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| wznoinsk | hi o/ | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | #topic ci | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ci (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:03 | |
| tdurakov | update on ceph bits | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | initial patches for ceph testing is merged | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | now need to merge patches for cinder and instances with volumes | 14:04 |
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| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382456/ - discussion in progress | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | it's required for grenade testing | 14:06 |
| tdurakov | it looks like there are only 3 person on meeting, so I wonder, should we follow the agenda, or just discuss topics we have and wrap up? | 14:06 |
| davidgiluk | tdurakov: I'm curious what hte note about the serial console is | 14:09 |
| wznoinsk | the meeting would be more productive with more people around, alas I can't help with much either | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | davidgiluk: there are several patches on review, for serial console, e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397276/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396218/ | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | wznoinsk: right | 14:11 |
| davidgiluk | tdurakov: Thanks | 14:11 |
| tdurakov | let's wrap up for today | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | thanks for coming | 14:12 |
| wznoinsk | thanks | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | #endmeeting | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 14:12:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-11-15-14.00.html | 14:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-11-15-14.00.txt | 14:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-11-15-14.00.log.html | 14:12 |
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| sigmavirus | #startmeeting stable | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 15 15:01:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| sigmavirus | #topic Roll Call | 15:02 |
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| sigmavirus | I don't expect tonyb to show up. If no one else shows up this week, I'll just end it early and then start a thread on the mailing list about these meetings. | 15:03 |
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| sigmavirus | #topic Continued Usefulness of These Meetings? | 15:05 |
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| sigmavirus | #action sigmavirus to send email to [stable] tag about whether these meetings should continue, be rescheduled, or simply be every other week so that our PTL can attend them | 15:06 |
| sigmavirus | I'll wait another ~9 minutes before ending this | 15:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 15 15:14:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-11-15-15.01.html | 15:14 |
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