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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 13:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 13:01 |
| matjazp | hi | 13:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 13:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 13:01 |
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| kmARC | o/ | 13:02 |
| matjazp | hey ildikov kmARC | 13:02 |
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| matjazp | #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 13:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 13:02 |
| matjazp | hey diablo_rojo_phon | 13:02 |
| matjazp | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of action items from the previous meeting (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:03 | |
| matjazp | see meeting minutes at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-29-13.00.html | 13:03 |
| matjazp | ianychoi you here? | 13:03 |
| ildikov | I read the Stackalytics idea in the meeting logs | 13:04 |
| ildikov | I think it's too much effort for minimal outcome | 13:04 |
| matjazp | well I guess Ian changed his mind also, since there were no email to the ML | 13:05 |
| ildikov | I would rather invest in putting together something dummy in the Sandbox repo and have groups of people hacking on that | 13:05 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I didn't see one either | 13:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: +1 | 13:05 |
| ildikov | I thought to share my views here, so it's documented | 13:06 |
| matjazp | ildikov: trainees could update their affiliation into the Stackalytics at the end, that's not a lot of effort | 13:06 |
| matjazp | ildikov : we could put that in the finalizing activities/exercises | 13:07 |
| ildikov | matjazp: we ran out of time during the last occasion | 13:07 |
| matjazp | ok, it's not important | 13:08 |
| ildikov | matjazp: and I think we should work more on having more time on the code/docs and practice on those things to make people interested enough to stay | 13:08 |
| * mhayden stumbles in late | 13:08 | |
| matjazp | moving on, we'll talk about Dec 27 at the AOB topic | 13:08 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training | 13:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upstream training (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:09 | |
| matjazp | hey mhayden | 13:09 |
| ildikov | mhayden: hi. thanks for joining :) | 13:09 |
| mhayden | glad to join! | 13:09 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | mhayden: hello :) | 13:09 |
| matjazp | ildikov: nice feedback for the Superuser article :) | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | hi all | 13:09 |
| ildikov | matjazp: thanks, co-production with kmARC and diablo_rojo_phon :) | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | I am participating another meeting I will follow up | 13:10 |
| matjazp | ok ianychoi | 13:10 |
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| ildikov | as promised I created the bug regarding duplications in the material | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | hi diablo_rojo_phon and ildikov ! | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | hi kmARC :) | 13:10 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: hi :) | 13:10 |
| ildikov | as a starting point on improving what we have I put together a list of exercises we have today: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-exercises | 13:11 |
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| matjazp | great | 13:11 |
| ildikov | I think we need more and also more group exercises as people worked well together and that's a good practice anyhow | 13:12 |
| matjazp | I was also talking with Training labs team (Roger and Pranav) at the summit | 13:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Agreed | 13:12 |
| ildikov | matjazp: what was the outcome of that? | 13:12 |
| matjazp | they'll be working on devstack instalation | 13:12 |
| matjazp | roger has a PoC | 13:12 |
| matjazp | anyone interested in testing it before it goes public? | 13:13 |
| ildikov | matjazp: FYI, we have a full VM image put together by kmARC currently for the upstream training | 13:13 |
| matjazp | ildikov : I know | 13:13 |
| matjazp | Taining labs solution is pure bash | 13:14 |
| ildikov | matjazp: do you have the link handy for that PoC? | 13:14 |
| matjazp | just a moment | 13:14 |
| matjazp | I have it on the email | 13:15 |
| matjazp | https://github.com/ideaship/training-labs.git | 13:15 |
| matjazp | Just switch to the branch devstack_02 and run ./osbash.sh -b devstack. | 13:15 |
| matjazp | Roger: It should set up a VM for devstack, create a stack user and install | 13:15 |
| matjazp | devstack (just to see if it works :)). I was at least able to log into the | 13:15 |
| matjazp | dashboard. Is this going in the right direction for you? | 13:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Why does he not just put a wip together and push it to Gerrit? | 13:15 |
| matjazp | ^ that was form Roger's mail | 13:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Just curious. Would be easier to give feedback. | 13:16 |
| matjazp | that's the next step | 13:16 |
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| matjazp | I guess he wants to test it in "private" beta before pushing it | 13:17 |
| matjazp | sadly, I dodn't have time to test it yet | 13:17 |
| matjazp | this December workload is maddening | 13:17 |
| ildikov | is this multi-node by default? | 13:17 |
| matjazp | not sure | 13:18 |
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| matjazp | their original cluster is | 13:18 |
| matjazp | but it was not a good fit for us because it's not devstack baased | 13:18 |
| matjazp | and we need to teach developers how to use devstack | 13:19 |
| ildikov | it seems slightly a duplicated effort to what kmARC is doing to me | 13:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: +1 | 13:20 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And it will be harder to use in class because it won't be uniform across all students systems. | 13:21 |
| matjazp | it al depends if it lowers the barrier for some | 13:21 |
| matjazp | bash based vs vagrant based | 13:21 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: why different? | 13:22 |
| matjazp | if I understood correctly, it works on all systems, linux, mac and windows | 13:22 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | The VM provided the same environment for all the students. | 13:22 |
| ildikov | matjazp: lowers the barrier in the sense of running a command and getting a Devstack env in a VM or? | 13:22 |
| matjazp | no, vagrant has its issues | 13:23 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Made it delightfully easy to answer questions and have the students help one another. | 13:23 |
| matjazp | try to use it on suse | 13:23 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon : yes, the same env for all is a must | 13:23 |
| matjazp | so what I'm saying is not that we should support both options, but should use on or the other | 13:24 |
| ildikov | we provide the full image to people too IIRC | 13:24 |
| ildikov | kmARC: can you look into the training-lab activities? | 13:25 |
| kmARC | Yes I will | 13:25 |
| matjazp | we should definitely choose one solution only | 13:26 |
| ildikov | kmARC: cool, thanks | 13:26 |
| ildikov | training-lab I guess can be a landing repo for the option we choose | 13:26 |
| matjazp | we're spread really thin here, so maybe "outsourcing" a piece like this could release some of the capacity for other tasks | 13:26 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, my thought exatly | 13:27 |
| ildikov | kmARC's solution/image worked like a charm during the training | 13:27 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: +1 :) | 13:27 |
| matjazp | they would be glad to help us maintain whatever we choose | 13:27 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | matjazp: Good to know. | 13:28 |
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| ildikov | that sounds good overall, I was more thinking about the space at this point | 13:28 |
| matjazp | ildikov : space? | 13:28 |
| ildikov | matjazp: thanks for the info | 13:28 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: repo logistics I meant | 13:28 |
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| matjazp | oh, the location for the training VM? | 13:28 |
| ildikov | matjazp: we were thinking about where to upload kmARC's artifacts after the training | 13:29 |
| matjazp | if the trainig labs will take care of maintaining the VM, it should be in their repo | 13:30 |
| ildikov | matjazp: and the corresponding files to create it | 13:30 |
| matjazp | if they wont, we can always just use our repo | 13:30 |
| ildikov | matjazp: kmARC's image also contains IRC client and python IDE IIRC, so it's more than just Devstack | 13:30 |
| matjazp | ok, to sum it up | 13:31 |
| matjazp | 1. kmARC will look into Rogers PoC | 13:31 |
| matjazp | kmARC: ok? | 13:31 |
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| matjazp | 2. we can sync with them if they are willing to maintain our training VM | 13:31 |
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| kmARC | matjazp: OK | 13:32 |
| kmARC | ildikov: My image doesn't have IDE YET, but I'm working on it | 13:32 |
| matjazp | 3. if not, we publish it in our repo instead and automate the building | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | I think training-labs usually follows the steps in install-guides but including IRC client and python IDE for dev environment is good | 13:33 |
| ildikov | kmARC: sorry, I mixed up the current state with the plans :S | 13:33 |
| matjazp | #action kmARC looks into the Training labs devstack PoC | 13:34 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: is that still the case if they build their things on Devstack? | 13:34 |
| matjazp | #action matjazp syncs with Training labs to see if they are interested into maintaining a Devstack VM for training | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, the use of DevStack will be good if training participants will test API calls, but trystack can replace with such case.. | 13:35 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I was just wondering how much it follows the install-guide in that case, I've never compared the two | 13:36 |
| matjazp | based on the both tasks we can decide later (at the next meeting?) what we can use and where to publish it | 13:36 |
| ildikov | matjazp: +1 | 13:37 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Are we done with upstream training now? I wanna go back to bed :) | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, AFAIK training-labs now tries to extract bash commands from install-guide to prepare the same environment described in install-guide as much as possible | 13:37 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : yes, that is their cluster solution | 13:38 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: mostly I think, please look into the etherpad with the exercises :) | 13:38 |
| matjazp | ianychoi : Roger prepared just for us a PoC with devstack | 13:38 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Will do :) | 13:38 |
| matjazp | good night, diablo_rojo_phon | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, oh nice :) | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo_phon, good night! | 13:39 |
| ildikov | mhayden: we could use some thoughts and ideas from you too in the etherpad I posted above | 13:39 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Well it's morning, but early. Night :) | 13:39 |
| mhayden | ildikov: i'll give it a look | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | haha | 13:39 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon : in that case, I take it back ;) | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | mhayden, oh hi! | 13:39 |
| ildikov | mhayden: greate, thank you | 13:39 |
| mhayden | i like how some of the less technical, more social stuff is covered here | 13:40 |
| ildikov | mhayden: if you add new ideas please keep the authorship colors or add your name so we know who to ask if there are any questions to it, etc. | 13:40 |
| matjazp | ok, moving on? or is there anything left to discuss for Upstream training? | 13:40 |
| mhayden | good thinking | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | I agree to move on | 13:40 |
| matjazp | #topic training guides | 13:41 |
| ildikov | mhayden: I would like to make the lectures part of the training more social and interactive too, kind of "learn by playing" approach or more professionally using problem based learning more | 13:41 |
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| ianychoi | For training-guides, I do not have any new things to do... sorry | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | to do or report.. | 13:41 |
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| matjazp | ildikov : ah, should I switch the topic back to upstream? | 13:41 |
| ildikov | matjazp: if there are no questions to the approach then we can move on | 13:42 |
| matjazp | I'm good | 13:42 |
| ildikov | currently I would like to collect ideas and then update the material based on what we collected | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, I agree to re-organize exercise and combine them if possible | 13:43 |
| matjazp | ildikov : and of course shorten the training to one day, right? | 13:43 |
| kmARC | :-S I don't want that | 13:43 |
| kmARC | we don't have enough time like this either | 13:44 |
| ildikov | matjazp: no, or at least I'm not aware of that | 13:44 |
| matjazp | oh, right. we were discussing that for user groups and openstack days | 13:45 |
| ildikov | matjazp: we were thinking about bringing some smaller modules to local events if we can make the parts of the material more let's say standalone | 13:45 |
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| ianychoi | For local upstream training, I think one day would be better but I do not want to shorten upstream trainings before Summit. Participants would so expect and enjoy 2 days! | 13:46 |
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| matjazp | ok, nothing to report about Training guides, maybe we should just move on to the AOB? | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:46 |
| matjazp | #topic any other business | 13:46 |
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| matjazp | decide about IRC meeting on Dec 27 | 13:46 |
| matjazp | I won't be there, so maybe we can just skip it | 13:47 |
| mhayden | i can't make that one :/ | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | I think most people will be holidays. | 13:47 |
| ildikov | I can be around, but I think it's better to just skip it, most people are out | 13:47 |
| matjazp | agree | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | +1 for skipping | 13:47 |
| matjazp | #info we skip the Dec 27 IRC meeting | 13:48 |
| matjazp | so see you all again on Jan 10, ok? | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | Okay :) | 13:48 |
| ildikov | matjazp: sounds good to me :) | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, will you have a meeting for upstream training during PTG? | 13:49 |
| matjazp | heheehe.. no need to put that up for a vote | 13:49 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I plan to, will start to organize early Jan | 13:49 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I think most people can only think of the holidays by now anyway and trying to close last minute things before that :) | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, thanks. I am asking because it seems that most PTG meetings will be room-based according to PTG homepage.. | 13:50 |
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| ianychoi | ildikov, yep let's discuss it next year! | 13:51 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I will look into that | 13:51 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: thanks for the heads up | 13:51 |
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| ianychoi | ildikov, it's my pleasure :) | 13:51 |
| matjazp | anything else left to discuss? | 13:52 |
| matjazp | if not: Marry Christmas (if you celebrate it) and a happy New Year to all :) | 13:53 |
| ildikov | Happy Holidays Everyone! :) | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | Today, I was leading to study with about 10 Korean people for local upstream training | 13:54 |
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| ianychoi | I have felt that many people still struggle with git review authentication (e.g., git review -s failure) | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | 1. no gerrit username | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | 2. no contact information on gerrit | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | 3. no ICLA | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | 4. duplicated configs for gerrit.username | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | 5. Community member, not Foundation member | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | 6. E-mails are different (www.openstack.org and review.openstack.org) | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | 7. different SSH keys | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | Those are what I have found common errors for beginners... | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | Documenting such common error cases for git setup would be a good idea ? :) | 13:55 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I think we can write up an article or blog about common mistakes and link it to the training web page | 13:55 |
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| matjazp | Or just put that stuff into the lanfding page | 13:56 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: as the steps are already written down to at least 3 places clearly and people don't read them, but they like blog posts :) | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, thanks.. I will more describe it! But not now... may be early of next year? :) | 13:56 |
| matjazp | these are really common errors | 13:57 |
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| matjazp | maybe we can make a FAQ page? | 13:57 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I can put together a material with the above items and send it to you to check | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, good :) | 13:58 |
| matjazp | 2 mins left | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | No more from me :) | 13:58 |
| ildikov | not from me either | 13:58 |
| matjazp | thanks all for your time | 13:59 |
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| matjazp | see you all next year | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | Thank you! and see all next year maybe?! | 13:59 |
| matjazp | in the mean time, we can sync over ML | 13:59 |
| matjazp | as we wont see eachother for a month | 13:59 |
| matjazp | tahe care | 13:59 |
| ildikov | yeap, let's keep that as a sync place | 13:59 |
| ildikov | take care and see you next year! :) | 13:59 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 14:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-12-13-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-12-13-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-12-13-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
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| tdurakov | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Dec 13 14:01:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tdurakov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | hello everyone | 14:01 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | let's start | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | #topic ci | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ci (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:02 | |
| tdurakov | this one looks good | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347471/ | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | I'll add test patch to run this ~10-15 time in a row | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | s/raw | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | if it passes - we could merge | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | mriedem filed a bug for grenade https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1649586 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649586 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ""HTTP exception thrown: Cannot 'os-migrateLive' instance while it is in task_state migrating" in gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode-live-migration-nv" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | checking right now | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | not sure what causes tempest to do multiple migration request for single instance | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | anything else for ci? | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | i'm also debugging this grenade issue | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | ++ | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | let's move on | 14:06 |
| tdurakov | I haven't seen any new bugs for l-m | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | me neither | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | so let's skip this | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: reviewed this series | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407517/2 | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | lgtm | 14:08 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks for your time! | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | now I am back I hope to send some quality time in those patches we have up now | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: could you take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407147/ :) | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | is that central etherpad up to date with all the series we have in the pipe? | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | it's should be related^ | 14:09 |
| * tdurakov checking etherpad | 14:09 | |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: updated etherpad | 14:13 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: do you need help with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244489/ ? | 14:13 |
| wznoinsk | o/ | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | i do need, with testing | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | as any of my envs do not support SR-IOV | 14:14 |
| tdurakov | got it | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: awesome, thank you | 14:14 |
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| wznoinsk | pkoniszewski, so you need a machine not help? ;-) | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | or a machine | 14:15 |
| wznoinsk | pkoniszewski, I may have something, let's talk after the meeting | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | ok | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | do we have anything else for today? | 14:15 |
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| tdurakov | if no, I'd remove for grenade job debug | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | s/ return | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | okay then | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | thanks for joining the meeting | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | #endmeeting | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:17 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Dec 13 14:17:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-12-13-14.01.html | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-12-13-14.01.txt | 14:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-12-13-14.01.log.html | 14:17 |
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| mcunietti | hi all | 15:10 |
| sigmavirus | mcunietti: you can find the operators meeting info on eavesdrop.openstack.org | 15:10 |
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| mcunietti | sigmavirus: thanks | 15:11 |
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| mriedem | guessing not | 16:04 |
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