Wednesday, 2017-02-08

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soichihi05:30
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soichireedip? vnyyad?05:33
reedippong05:33
soichihi05:33
soichi#startmeeting taas05:33
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb  8 05:33:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:33
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soichi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas05:33
soichi#topic yamamoto plan to cut ocata this week05:34
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soichii agree with yamamoto05:34
reedipsaw that05:34
reedipthanks yamamoto05:35
soichiso, we agree to ceate the ocata release05:36
soichi#topic A talk for Boston Summit05:37
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soichiyesterday, Kaz submitted a presentation for Boston Summit05:37
soichititle: Make a trouble shooting quicker and easier by using packet mirroring: Tap-as-a-Service05:37
soichiacctually, is a challenge for us and there is a risk of cancelation :)05:38
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soichivnyyad: hi05:38
vnyyadsoichi: Hi!05:38
soichi#topic Open Discussion05:39
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soichivnyyad: do you have any comment about cutting ocata release of TaaS? (topic: yamamoto plan to cut ocata this week)05:41
reedipgovernance was targetted for Ocata but I think we missed it05:41
vnyyadsoichi: what do you mean by cut here05:42
soichivnyyad: i think put "ocata" tag on a stable version05:43
vnyyadha ok sorry for my ignorance05:44
soichireedip: the deadline for ocata has already passed?05:44
vnyyadyeah i guess it should be fine05:44
reedipsoichi : yep05:44
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soichireedip: okay, i wll tell yamamoto05:45
soichiwll -> will05:46
soichidoes it make sense to create "oacata" tag althogh deadline has passed?05:47
reedipsoichi, OCATA is passing05:48
reedipnot yet passed05:48
soichireedip: i see05:49
vnyyadha ok05:49
reedip:D05:49
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soichiAnil is not available for today, but he gave us a list of work items.05:51
vnyyadshould we try for ocata then?05:51
soichivnyyad: yes, i think so05:51
vnyyadgood05:53
vnyyadwhen is the deadline reedip?05:53
reedipdeadline for what ?05:53
kazit is Ocata release Schedule. #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html05:54
vnyyadKaz: thanks!05:55
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reedipoh ok05:56
soichido you have another topic?06:00
reedipI wanted to know what should be done for Governance06:01
reedip:(06:01
reedipWe havent yet merged the TaaS Specification06:01
soichireedip: yes, i asked for Anil to give a +206:02
reedipI think vnyyad can also do the same06:02
soichireedip: +106:02
kaz+106:02
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vnyyadOk then i will...06:03
vnyyadAnil seem a bit busy today06:03
soichivnyyad: thank you06:03
reedipyes he is, he sent an email, checking it :)06:03
reedipI have a document, by the way06:03
reedipCreated it06:03
reedipI can send it via the Email to you guys, its kind of a technical document for Tap-as-a-Service.06:04
vnyyadsure06:04
reedipNeed your inputs, if it is fine, then we can add something like that in our git06:04
soichireedip: it sounds good06:04
kazreedip: sure06:05
reedipI am still trying to figure out the things we need to get merged into Neutron Stadium , if possible06:05
reedipCan we all go through this once and discuss it in the next meeting as to the items which we need to do ?06:06
reediphttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/governance.html#when-is-a-project-considered-part-of-the-stadium06:06
reedipand http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/governance.html#checklist06:06
soichireedip: i agree06:06
soichii will put it as an agenda of next week06:08
soichii hope yamamoto and anil can join06:08
soichiany other topics?06:12
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kazi have no topic.06:13
vnyyadi will +2 the spec today...06:14
soichivnyyad: thank you06:14
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soichiit is a little bit earlier, but i'd like to close today's meeting06:15
soichithank you guys06:15
soichi#endmeeting06:15
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soichibye06:15
vnyyadthanks! bye06:15
kazbye06:15
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domi007hi all13:00
sagar_nikamHi13:01
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domi007alexpilotti o wow, long time no see :)13:02
sagar_nikamHi alexpilotti:13:03
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domi007sagar_nikam: do you know if maybe today there is no meeting? Because of Ocata?13:09
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sagar_nikamdomi007: looks like you are right13:13
sagar_nikamno meeting today13:13
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domi007makes sense, then see you next week cheers13:17
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claudiub#startmeeting hyper-v14:13
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb  8 14:13:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:13
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claudiubwellp, I totally forgot the time. :(14:14
claudiubsorry I am so late.14:14
claudiubanyone still here?14:14
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claudiubwell, seems people already left..14:17
claudiubwill be more careful next time.14:17
claudiub#endmeeting14:17
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rhochmuth#startmeeting monasca15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb  8 15:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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rhochmuthhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda15:01
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rhochmuthAgenda for Wednesday February 8 2017 (15:00 UTC)15:01
rhochmuth1.Ocata Dates15:01
rhochmuth1.We create stable branches. Are there any high prio changes for Ocata?15:01
rhochmuth2.Ocata Final Release candidate deadline: 16 Feb15:01
rhochmuth2.Monasca Mid-cycle15:01
rhochmuth3.Alarms Blueprints15:01
rhochmuth1.new api resource: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/alarm-manager-resource15:01
rhochmuth2.grouping: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/alarm-grouping15:01
rhochmuth3.silencing: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/alarm-silencing15:01
rhochmuth4.inhibition: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/alarm-inhibition15:01
rhochmuth4. New owner for monasca-grafana fork15:01
rhochmuth5. Reviews15:01
rhochmuth 5.1 => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356403/15:01
bkleio\15:01
rhochmuth 5.2 => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416325/ vs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42233015:01
rhochmutho/15:01
tomasztrebskio/15:01
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stevejimshi15:01
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rhochmuthtimasz: you made it15:01
rhochmuthtomasz ^^^15:01
tomasztrebskifunny.... :P15:01
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kamil_o/15:02
rhochmuthso we have a good agenda to work through today15:02
rhochmuthagain15:02
rhochmuthso, without further delay, let's get started15:02
rhochmuth#topic Ocata Dates15:02
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rhochmuthwitek: u there?15:02
witekwe have to create stable branches15:02
rhochmuthwhen is the final date again15:03
witekhas anyone high-prio changes which have to make it to Ocata?15:03
rhochmuthgood point?15:03
rhochmuthif there are any important bug fixes this would be a good time to push them through15:03
rhochmuthand priortize them15:03
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tomasztrebskiI think you wanted psutil < 2.0.0 to enter15:04
tomasztrebskiwitek, I mean15:04
rhochmuthIs this one ready, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424242/15:04
rhochmuththat's the psutil one?15:04
rhochmuthi'm good on it15:04
witekworks for me15:04
rhochmuthtomasz: are you good15:05
tomasztrebskiI did not spotted anything suspicious apart from keystone and this kafka things15:05
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tomasztrebskibut again, kafka detection worked anyway even though plugin said that it did not locate kafka @ 9092 port15:05
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tomasztrebskifor other issue (keystone) created a bug15:05
rhochmuthdo we hold up the merge for that15:05
tomasztrebskiso I think this is ok for now to merge it15:06
witekit did locate, there was no IP assigned15:06
tomasztrebskiI'd add a bug to keep it in mind15:06
tomasztrebskiahm15:06
rhochmuthok, i'm going to +2 then15:06
tomasztrebskiso I guess, we're fine15:06
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anqioh so we are now talking about the changes that we have made15:06
anqiI thought we were talking about what we are going to do15:06
witekso, I would like to apply for stable branches tomorrow15:07
rhochmuthanqi: we have a meeting agenda which included several things, like managing the ocata release15:07
rhochmuthwe are going to get to your topic too15:07
witekif someone has high-prio changes, please let Roland and me know15:07
anqiyeah I am trying to get followed15:08
rhochmuthcraig bryant has a number of bug fixes in the works15:08
rhochmuththat are worth looking at15:08
rhochmuthalso, there is this one in works, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428810/15:08
witekok, I'll wait for green light then15:08
rhochmuthhow long do you have?15:09
rhochmuthwe have?15:09
witek16th is the deadline15:09
rhochmuthhmm, don't want to wait until last minute15:09
witekfor final release candidate15:09
rhochmuthbut if we can get done by Friday, that would probably be OK15:09
tomasztrebskiI am trying to verify what I can...that I can say, I will put more focus on Craig's changes...maybe some of them I will be able to merge15:10
rhochmuththat would give you on Monday a few days to get the branches created15:10
rhochmuththanks tomasz15:10
rhochmuththat would be great15:10
tomasztrebskifor you....15:10
tomasztrebskialways15:10
tomasztrebski:D15:10
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rhochmuththere is a long list of reviews, so i'll try and get through it15:10
rhochmuthtomasz: you better be careful with all those reviews and commits15:11
rhochmuthyou could be the next ptl15:11
tomasztrebskipower....unlimited power....15:11
tomasztrebski:D15:11
rhochmuthok, so let's change topics15:11
rhochmuth#topic Monasca Mid-cycle15:12
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rhochmuthAre we still good for the 22nd and 23rd?15:12
rhochmuthI should send out a notice to openstack-dev15:12
witekworks for me15:12
bkleii can make the 1st day, not the 2nd15:12
bkleibut not suggesting to change dates...15:13
rhochmuthso, another option is to splt the mid-cycle across two weeks15:13
kamil_february?15:13
rhochmuthcorrect15:13
kamil_okay for me15:13
tomasztrebskiwill it be still possible to online that ?15:13
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rhochmuthyes, it will all be online via skype/lync15:14
tomasztrebskithx15:14
rhochmuthvideo conferencing15:14
rhochmuthstart at same time IRC meeting starts15:14
rhochmuthjust goes longer in the day15:14
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rhochmuthwe usually do 5 hours15:14
rhochmuththat works out from 8 AM to 1 PM my time15:14
anqii can make the first two hours15:15
rhochmuththanks anqi15:15
rhochmuthso, we can cover your areas earlier15:15
rhochmuthis everyone ok with that15:15
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rhochmuthit end-up in a late night for everyone in europe15:16
rhochmuthand even later for japan15:16
tomasztrebskiyeah, I will try to join but might be tricky for me15:16
anqiit's fine. that will be 11 pm to 4 pm for me15:16
anqibut if you put it earliear15:16
anqiit won't be good for you area15:16
stevejimsfine for me (utc)15:16
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anqi11 pm to 4 am *15:16
rhochmuthif we start at 7 AM, then that might be better15:17
rhochmuthi don't think we have anyone on the west coast15:17
rhochmuththat will be attending15:17
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rhochmuthso, i can make 7 AM start time15:17
anqithanks for the change. would be great for me15:17
rhochmuthwhich give east coaster and europeans a better start time15:17
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rhochmuthare folks ok starting earlier15:18
bkleiok by me15:18
rhochmuththanks bklei, you and i are in the same timezone15:18
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stevejimsyep15:18
rhochmuthwitek: does that work better for you?15:18
witeksure15:18
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rhochmuthso, it sounds like we are good then15:19
rhochmuthi'll send a notice15:19
rhochmuthi believe we'll have good represenation and a lot of topics15:19
witekwill you create etherpad with agenda?15:20
rhochmuth#topic blueprints15:20
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rhochmuthwitek: yes, i will15:20
rhochmuththanks for reminder15:20
witekthanks15:20
rhochmuthi'll put that in the notice15:20
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rhochmuthso, before we cover anqi's topic, i wanted to cover the alarms blueprints15:21
rhochmuthkaiyan and andrea: u there?15:21
Kaiyanyes :)15:21
aadams_yes!15:21
rhochmuthyou have the floor15:21
aadams_We have 4 new blueprints15:21
aadams_to implement alarm inhibition15:21
aadams_and alarm silencing and alarm grouping15:22
Kaiyanalso adding a new resource in the api15:22
aadams_the blueprints are still in the planing phase15:22
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KaiyanThe links are in the agenda. So if we can get some reviews on those and suggestions that would be great!15:23
rhochmuththanks kaiyan and aadams_m, so, this is an area that we can go into more detail at the mid-cycle15:23
rhochmuthbut, we wanted to let everyone know what is going on15:23
rhochmuthand get early feedback if possible as they want to start writing code15:24
tomasztrebski1st question is: only python or also java ?15:24
rhochmuthalso, if you want to be involved in the effort, that would be good to know15:24
aadams_we are planning on only python15:24
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rhochmuthtomasztrebski: are you interested in working on this?15:25
tomasztrebskirhochmuth: I am, but I won't be able we got other things to attend in Fujitsu15:25
rhochmuth:-(15:26
witekwe have to check with Cristiano15:26
rhochmuthok, let us know if there is interest15:26
rhochmuthwe have the time right now so would like to proceed15:26
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tomasztrebskiif it was up to me, I'd code it all down [rotfl], but as Witek said, this is not our decision and Cristiano is the one who needs to be asked about that :D15:27
rhochmuthand aadams_ and Kaiyan can cover more in a couple of weeks at mid-cycle15:27
witekat the moment we are little blocked15:27
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tomasztrebskiyeap15:27
KaiyanSounds good15:27
rhochmuthok, let's shift over to aq15:28
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rhochmuthaq: we got your email this morning15:28
anqigreat15:28
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anqii want to know further details about the feature15:28
rhochmuthso, is the metric-counts bp you are interested in?15:29
anqiyes15:29
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rhochmuthor if there was something higher priority, would that be better?15:29
anqiok i am checking15:29
witekI think, I don't follow15:30
rhochmuthi'm just trying to understand if this featyre is something you need15:30
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anqibut all of those with high prior seem to be taken15:30
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anqino i am just trying to get started with this project15:30
rhochmuthok, so you looked at the list and found a bp that wasn't take that looked good15:30
anqiso i pick a bp seems simplest to me, to get started15:31
anqiyes15:31
rhochmuthso, this might be an area where getting involved in some of the other work might be better15:31
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anqido you mean kafka related work?15:32
rhochmuthI can't quite recall why https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/count-metrics, was created15:32
anqiok15:32
rhochmuthkafka would be one area15:32
rhochmuthbut that isn't a new feature15:32
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anqiyea i know. i mentioned it because i knew you were talking about some patches related to kafka just before15:33
tomasztrebskibtw...I think that bps should be reviewed becuase those bps proposed now seems strangly similar in features like the ones that are already there - muting for instance or this maintenance I think I submitted15:33
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anqiwhich bp do you suggest i start with?15:34
tomasztrebskiI mean if those from anqi are closer to start working on them, older might be deleted15:34
tomasztrebskinot start with, just that we might have duplicated bps in launchpad15:34
anqiokay15:35
rhochmuthtomasztrebski: i don't think i can delete bps15:35
tomasztrebskirhochmuth: hmm, that's rather unfortunate15:35
rhochmuthanqi: how about i take a look at the list more closely and we excachange some emails15:35
rhochmuthi just wan't prepared for this discussion today15:36
anqigreat15:36
rhochmuthif anyone comes up with a good idea/area please let us know15:36
anqii'll discuss it with you in email15:36
tomasztrebskijust to give an example, this => https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/maintenance-periods seems similar to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/alarm-silencing15:36
anqibtw, are we still going to finish those bps at the bottom of the list?15:37
rhochmuthtomasztrebski: thanks for pointing out15:37
rhochmuthanqi: probably not15:37
rhochmuthit isn't uncommon to create bps, and then not work on them15:37
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rhochmuthin general, that occurs quite often in OpenStack15:38
rhochmuthat least it used too15:38
bkleiit's my specialty15:38
tomasztrebskilol15:38
anqi:)15:38
rhochmuththat is why i want to sift through it and find something reasonable15:38
tomasztrebskiwell...ideas are ideas, sometimes they don't work out I guess15:38
rhochmuthanqi: u good for today?15:38
rhochmuthand using email?15:38
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anqisorry i cant15:39
tomasztrebskicould you guys use mailing list to keep everyone else in loop ?15:39
anqisince it's 11:39 pm now15:39
anqibut i will reply you as soon as i get up15:39
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rhochmuthtomasztrebski: yes15:39
rhochmuthanqi: ok, will send some ideas your way15:40
tomasztrebskirhochmuth: thx15:40
rhochmuthgood night15:40
anqiok :)15:40
tomasztrebskisweet dreams :)15:40
anqihaha but i am still at meeting15:40
anqiwhy you are like sending me to sleep15:40
rhochmuththanks Kaiyan, aadams and anqi15:40
tomasztrebskiups...15:40
rhochmuthwill move on to next topic15:41
rhochmuth#topic New owner for monasca-grafana fork15:41
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rhochmuthuhhh ohhh15:41
rbakThat's mine15:41
rbakCharter has owned the grafana fork with keystone auth.15:41
rbakBut we won't be working on Grafana anymore15:41
stevejims:(15:41
rbakSo we need someone else to take that.15:41
rhochmuthhow soon?15:42
tomasztrebskiand now nightmares15:42
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bkleithe sooner the better, we're moving on to greener pastures15:42
dhagueI can pick that up for now15:43
rhochmuthok, i'll look for a new home15:43
rhochmuthdhague: awesome15:43
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dhagueWe have sapcc/grafana with our extras on top of rbak's stuff anyway15:43
rhochmuththank you15:43
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rbakdhague: Thanks for doing that. If you need anything from me let me know.15:43
witekthank you dhague15:44
tomasztrebskidoes it mean transferring twc-openstack/grafana to new home ?15:44
bkleifor sure15:44
rhochmuthrbak and bklei: how far did you go with grafana discussion and better integration?15:44
dhaguejust update the README.md at twc-openstack to refer to sapcc/grafana and we're good15:44
rbakNot much farther than you were involved in15:44
rhochmuthwe also have some interest in this area15:44
tomasztrebskiwell, from devstack POV that will be just changing repo URL, so kind of transparent15:45
rbakdevstack and docs are probably the only changes we need15:45
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rbakdhague: Do you want to make those changes?15:46
stevejimsWill you guys still be involved in the datasource plugin? My current work may involve extending it15:46
dhaguerbak: if you could point me to where to make the changes via email, I'll make it happen15:47
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rbakSounds good, I'll do that.15:47
dhagueon a related note, I guess we heard nothing new from Raintank this year?15:47
bkleistevejims no, we'll pull back from that too15:47
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rbakstevejims: We won't be involved in grafana at all.  The datasource is in the open stack repo though so that should be a problem15:47
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rbakOne bit of good Grafana news, the monasca plugin is now published and official. https://grafana.net/plugins/monasca-datasource15:48
rhochmuthdhague: Raintank is now Grafana Labs15:48
stevejimsOK thanks15:48
stevejimsgood news about the plugin being published too15:48
rhochmuthrbak: thanks, that looks good15:49
rhochmuthso, we've been exchanging some emails with Grafna Labs15:49
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rhochmuthi'm hoping that we will proceed with additional integration of monasca into grafana15:50
rhochmuthbut, we aren't exactly a start-up15:50
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rhochmuthso, these disucssion take a litlle time to work through15:50
rhochmuthi'll keep folks informed as we proceed15:51
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rhochmuthand now that charter isn't involved, this will be more important15:51
stevejimsi may revisit this bp as a fallback for our client: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/grafana-auth-workarounds15:52
rhochmuthin that case, where does the username/password go15:53
rhochmuthis it in a config file?15:53
stevejimsin the datasource config screen - it is how the gnocchi datasource works15:53
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rhochmuthstevejims: thanks15:54
rhochmuthagree, that might be a good fallback15:54
rhochmuthto have15:54
rhochmuthok, so are we ok with that topic15:54
stevejimsI'm happy to take a look15:54
rhochmuththanks rbak and bklei for all your great work!!!15:55
stevejimsyes, thank you both15:55
witekyes, it's a pitty15:55
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bkleiit's been fun!15:56
rhochmuththanks dhague for taking it over15:56
rhochmuthyes, it has been fun!15:56
rhochmuth#topic review15:57
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rhochmuthhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/356403/15:57
rhochmuthis it ready?15:57
rhochmuthi didn't get to this last week15:57
rhochmuthsorry15:57
rhochmuthtomasz: artur says it is ready to go15:58
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witekI didn't manage to test it last days15:59
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rhochmuthi haven't tested either15:59
rhochmuthmy next chance will be tonight15:59
rhochmuthi'll also comment on the other two reviews that are competing for who foes first16:00
rhochmuthi think i need to end meeting16:00
rhochmuthwill send out mid-cycle details16:00
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rhochmuthcoordinate with anqi16:00
rhochmuththanks everyone16:00
tomasztrebskiok, thanks anyway :)16:00
rhochmuththanks rbak and bklei16:00
witekthank you16:00
kamil_thank you16:00
tomasztrebskijust wanted to get it merged before ocata and/or new features that include db mods16:00
rhochmuth#endmeeting16:01
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Feb  8 16:01:03 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:01
tomasztrebskithx, see you16:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-02-08-15.00.html16:01
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eglute#startmeeting interopwg16:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb  8 16:01:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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markvoelkero/16:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'interopwg'16:01
eglute#chair markvoelker hogepodge16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker16:01
hogepodgeo/16:01
eglute#topic agenda16:01
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eglute#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.1216:01
catherine_d|1o/16:02
egluteHello Everyone, please review and update agenda as needed16:02
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hogepodgeI'm on mobile and about to get on a train to Seattle, so my participation may be a bit spotty16:02
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* eglute has been on that train from Portland to Seattle16:03
eglute#topic PTG16:03
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egluteonce again, a reminder of PTG in a couple of weeks16:03
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egluteplease add any topics you wish to see: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG16:04
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eglutewe need to do a schedule planning. perhaps markvoelker hogepodge and i can do so before next meeting16:04
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egluteany comments on PTG?16:04
eglute#topic #Boston Summit16:05
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Rockygo/16:05
eglutethe deadline to submit proposals got extended, so if you have a great idea, you still have time.16:05
eglutealso, if you have submitted something, let us know :)16:06
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eglutethere is a submitted sessions section on etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.1216:06
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eglutehogepodge do you know if there will be space for working groups?16:07
eglutein Boston?16:07
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hogepodgeYes, but I have no details16:07
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gemaI am wondering if I should be going to boston16:08
gemathere is no design summit anymore, is there?16:08
eglutecool, for barcelona it was part of the abstract submission process but i didnt see that this year16:08
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RockygUh, I know a bit.16:08
RockygThechairs can request either or both space for BoF and working sessions16:08
egluteRockyg do you know if thats been communicated?16:09
egluteand by when we need to request?16:09
RockygYou go to the presentations and submit.16:09
RockygIt went out on the UC mailing list16:09
egluteoh it is part of the submission process? ok then16:10
* eglute needs to subscribe to that mailing list16:10
eglutei am really glad the deadline is extended then16:10
eglute#action eglute submit WG session for Boston16:10
RockygYeah. If the wg and BoF don't show up, sumit a ticket to the email on the web page16:11
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eglutegema i think you should still come for all the working group sessions and other content, if you can.16:11
eglutethanks Rockyg16:11
Rockygnp16:11
gemaeglute: ok, will try16:11
eglutewould love to see everyone at every event, though i know travel can be hard. especially when it is a long flight.16:12
egluteanything else regarding boston?16:12
eglute#topic Flagging two network-l2-CRUD capabilities16:12
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eglute#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422715/16:12
eglutethis looks good to me, any new comments or feedback?16:13
markvoelkerI think most of the concerns have been addressed now.16:13
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eglutein that case, i think it is ready to merge16:14
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eglutewill merge it after the meeting unless there are any last minute comments16:15
eglute#topic Flag tests that require second set of user credentials16:15
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eglute#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428847/16:15
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eglutethat looks good to me, except markvoelker is right and next.json should also be updated16:16
Rockygagree.16:16
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catherine_d|1yea I will make the change to 2016.08 and next .. if we agree to flag it16:16
catherine_d|1them16:16
eglutei am in favor of flagging16:17
eglutethank you catherine_d|116:17
catherine_d|1I would still put them as flag in next instead of remove .16:17
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egluteworks for me16:18
catherine_d|1ok will do ..16:18
eglutethank you catherine_d|116:18
egluteany other comments on this patch?16:18
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catherine_d|1only issue is now many capabilities will have no tests16:18
catherine_d|1are we OK with that?16:19
markvoelkerWell, some of these things are sort of inherently two-party things16:19
markvoelkerE.g. ACL's16:19
markvoelkerYou can test creation of an ACL with a single user16:19
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markvoelkerBut can't really test that it's allowing users it should an denying users it shouldn't without a second set of credentials16:20
markvoelkerIf we can't come up with tests that meet criteria, we'll have to drop the capability16:20
catherine_d|1markvoelker: yup that is why we would still leave them in llag and not remove for chnances of test update16:20
markvoelkerBut I think there's room on some of these for that to happen, so agree with flagging for now16:20
RockygSounds like a discussion we should have with the QA team16:21
eglutei think that is a good compromise for now, and maybe we can ask for new tests were feasible16:21
eglutewho could talk to QA team about these tests?16:21
RockygI thtink they'll be at PTG...16:22
gemameeting at the same time as us16:22
catherine_d|1that is the bad part for PTG ...16:22
Rockyg:-(16:22
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gemaI hate the fact that I cannot meet most of the people I need to talk to16:23
gemadue to the scheduling16:23
catherine_d|12 days overlapse  ... in the past we can still attend some QA sessions16:23
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RockygYeah.  Scheduling all the crossproject suff a the same time.  Meh.  We'll see how that works16:23
egluteyeah, first time PTG will be interesting I am sure16:24
egluteanything on the flagging patch?16:24
gemaRockyg: I am going to have to favor kolla over interop, QA and infra :(16:24
eglutegema :( so sad to hear that16:24
gemaeglute: cannot be in all of them , it's a shame16:24
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eglutegema need to work on cloning tech!16:25
gemayep16:25
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Rockygspeeaking of which, how is mini Egle;-?16:25
egluteElena is great! She is going to PTG as well.16:26
eglute#topic Glance change: Implement and Enable Community Images16:26
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egluteI do not remember who was going to look at that16:26
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eglutemarkvoelker have you had a chance? it is not urgent i dont think.16:28
markvoelkerI did some poking last week.  Given the tests we're currently requiring, I don't think this is going to impact us for now.16:29
eglutegreat, thank you for looking!16:29
markvoelkerIt probably wouldn't hurt to poke a little more at the effect of the column change on older versions of OpenStack with the current tests, but I'm not seeing any "red flags" here that wouldn't be flushed out by the usual flagging process.16:30
eglutethank markvoelker.16:30
markvoelkerSo in other words: I think vendors should continue to test and if they do hit problems (likely only on very new OpenStacks), do the usual flag request thing16:30
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egluteworks for me.16:30
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egluteI updated etherpad with a short note, and we will just keep an eye on flags16:31
egluteany other comments on the image patch?16:31
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eglute#topic name change16:32
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eglutemarkvoelker any updates on repo migration?16:32
markvoelkerA couple:16:32
markvoelker1.) I have the necessary patches ready to go locally and plan on submitting them this week.16:32
markvoelker2.)  Note that there are a couple of light patches to governance too: e.g. things in projects.yaml like refstack's entry that mention DefCore16:33
markvoelker(catherine, unless you want to do it yourself I'll take of those too =p)16:33
markvoelker3.)  The last thing to be done is to get this on infra's agenda.  I think there's an order here, so I'll surface it on their radar but we'll probably want a couple of the other patches to land before they get gears grinding.16:34
eglutethanks markvoelker!16:34
catherine_d|1markvoelker: go for it ...thanks16:34
markvoelkerThat's all for me.16:35
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eglutethank you for all the work and updates markvoelker16:36
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eglutei added notes to etherpad. i guess you will need to coordinate the refstack patch with catherine_d|1 anyways16:36
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egluteanything else on the renames?16:37
markvoelkereglute: I think they're mostly independent actually.  Stuff like the projects.yml patch is just housekeeping of the verbage and shouldn't actually affect day-to-day work16:37
egluteah cool16:37
markvoelkerBut yes, I'll keep them in the loop. =)16:37
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eglutebut refstack pulls things from defcore repo, no?16:37
eglutelike the guidelines?16:38
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markvoelkerYeah, that bit is more closely tied16:38
eglutecool, i imagine it is a simple patch as well16:38
eglutei can help if needed16:39
egluteanything else?16:39
eglute#topic Schema v2.016:39
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eglutehogepodge are you still online?16:39
hogepodgeI sent up a first patch16:39
eglute#link https://review.openstack.org/43055616:40
hogepodgeIt's a wip, and I'd love feedback as I work on it16:40
eglutethank you!16:40
gemahogepodge: you are writing comments to your own patch?16:40
hogepodgeStarting essentially as a design doc, then once we have the details down I will formalize the spec16:40
eglutegema he is!16:40
gemalol16:40
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gemathat's the next level of talking to yourself when working from home16:41
hogepodgegema some are points of discussion :-)16:41
gemahogepodge: +1 will review :D16:41
eglutehogepodge are you starting to add new programs to the schema?16:41
hogepodgeBut yes, I need to keep myself company ;-)16:41
* eglute thinks hogepodge is always in great company16:42
hogepodgeWhat I have there is an example of how the schema would look16:42
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hogepodgeTrying to demonstrate the different use cases16:42
eglutehogepodge can you talk briefly on why "database" would have heat? are those just examples?16:42
hogepodgeYes, I started with heat and ended up changing my mind without changing the example16:43
egluteoh, it has children, got it16:43
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eglutecool cool16:43
eglutewhere would we define what an addon is?16:43
RockygYou know there's a ton of context missing in this discussion16:44
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hogepodgeNothing I'm doing is set in stone, and I'll add more b notes and design decisions as it evolves16:44
egluteRockyg i think the idea is to have something for PTG16:45
eglutewe had a lot of discussion last midcycle in san antonio16:45
RockygI'm just saying casual glance at the discussion leads to Whaaa?16:45
egluteand i think thats what hogepodge is going based on16:45
hogepodgeeglute: probably the lexicon and process documents16:45
eglutehogepodge cool16:45
Rockygsuddenly children.  Made me do a double take16:45
egluteRockyg i agree! and last midcycle was a while ago16:46
eglutehopefully at PTG we will have great discussion on this16:46
hogepodgeI've already made a note to change that.16:46
gemamaybe Rockyg means that a Readme or a doc to go with the schema would help16:46
egluteand a productive discussion :)16:46
hogepodgeThe goal is to have a solid draft by ptg for discussion and review16:46
gemaack16:46
hogepodgeYes to all of that16:47
eglutehogepodge thank you for that!16:47
Rockygkewl16:47
hogepodgeI just needed to get the seed out, and I promised today16:47
* catherine_d|1 Luz has a patch ready whenever the defcore repo is renamed to Interop WG https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390881/16:47
eglutecatherine_d|1 luzC perfect!16:48
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hogepodgeIn general, programs come in two flavors16:48
hogepodgeThey are composed of components16:48
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hogepodgeAnd components can have dependencies on other components16:48
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hogepodgeThat's all I have for now16:50
eglutehogepodge what flavors for programs do you have in mind16:50
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RockygYeah. I really want to dig into this at the ptg.  Haven't had much time of late16:51
hogepodgeThe names, not final, are platform and addon16:51
hogepodgePlatform can stand alone, like OpenStack Powered Compute16:51
hogepodgeAddon needs a platform16:52
eglutecool, that makes sense16:52
eglutethats what we talked about during midcycle too16:52
hogepodgeSo you can have things like OpenStack Powered Compute with Database16:52
Rockygyup.  cool.16:52
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hogepodge(Where Database is an add-on)16:52
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* mguiney nods16:53
mguineymakes sense16:53
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egluteyup, pretty simple16:53
hogepodgeOh, I need to introduce mguiney !16:53
mguineyoh! hello all!16:53
eglutehello mguiney!16:53
hogepodgeShe just joined the foundation on Monday and will be working on QA and Interop16:53
egluteawesome!! welcome mguiney to interop!!!16:54
egluteglad to have you16:54
catherine_d|1mguiney: hello again:-)16:54
RockygExcellent!  Welcome!16:54
mguineythank you, I'm very excited!16:54
gemamguiney: welcome!16:54
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Rockygwas wondering who was gonna do this with hogepodge 's new stuff16:54
eglutesince we are talking about new programs, markvoelker would you give a summary on NFV?16:55
markvoelkerSure.16:55
eglutethank you markvoelker16:55
markvoelkerVery briefly since we're low on time:16:55
markvoelkerWe had a preliminary chat with a couple of folks from the OPNFV community this week16:56
markvoelkerTHis was basically a "let's introduce ourselves and figure out what we're all trying to do and if we can/should work together" sort of thing16:56
hogepodgeThanks everyone with your patience on my very rough first draft16:56
eglutehogepodge great first draft, will help us with the discussion in atlanta16:57
markvoelkerAs folks in this meeting are aware, we've been lightly discussing vertical programs for some time, and NFV seems to be a consensus pick for a good proving ground for this sort of thing16:57
markvoelkerThere will be some NFV folks in Atlanta at the PTG joining us to discuss this a bit more and get some wheels turning together16:57
markvoelkerIn the meantime, folks may want to take a look at this section of this deck starting around slide 40: http://www.slideshare.net/markvoelker/interopwg-intro-vertical-programs-jan-201716:58
hogepodge+1 they want to learn from our process and use it if it's a good fit. We're trail blazers here16:58
markvoelker(you've probably seen most of the rest of it before; it's the introductory "Dr. Who deck" I did a while back16:58
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* eglute is a big fan of Dr Who.16:58
mguineythat is a great set of slides16:58
* markvoelker can't take credit for good sci-fi, but is happy to use it where he's able16:59
Rockyg++16:59
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markvoelkerAnyway, this is all kind of "setting the table" stuff...in ATL I'll hopefully have some more prototype content to give us something concrete to talk about17:00
* markvoelker glances at the clock and shuts up17:00
eglutethanks markvoelker for a quick summary17:00
eglutehappy to answer questions in interop channel17:00
catherine_d|1markvoelker: could you give the link Dr Who set ?17:00
markvoelker#link http://www.slideshare.net/markvoelker/interopwg-intro-vertical-programs-jan-201717:01
eglutethanks everyone!! I am out next week, so markvoelker and hogepodge will be running this meeting17:01
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r1chardj0n3s#startmeeting horizon20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb  8 20:00:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is r1chardj0n3s. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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r1chardj0n3sSo there's not a lot that I have on my list to talk about this morning, just the outstanding patches for RC2 which will be cut some time between now and next Thursday.20:01
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r1chardj0n3sThere's rdopiera's two patches  https://review.openstack.org/427125 and https://review.openstack.org/42772920:02
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r1chardj0n3sI've just had a glance at the bug list and patches list and can't see any other obvious patches we're waiting on (it usually takes me a while to get up to speed in the morning ;-) so have I missed anything?20:02
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robcresswellnot that I can think of20:03
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robcresswellI've already started proposing backportable patches to stable/ocata20:03
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robcresswellBut those can wait for a .1 release if you like20:04
robcresswellOh wait, looks like they merged20:04
r1chardj0n3sI haven't seen any harm in merging the ones proposed so far20:04
robcresswellcool20:05
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robcresswellI've nothing else to add on the bugs side of things20:06
r1chardj0n3sI'm trying to limit it to a) critical bugs or b) other bugs that have no string changes20:06
robcresswellmakes sense20:08
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robcresswellI think Richard has half an IRC connection20:09
robcresswellIf anyone has any other bugs, target them at RC2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/ocata-rc220:09
r1chardj0n3srobcresswell: my IRC connection is flaky as hell this morning, so I think I'll just hand over to you to talk PTG planning if you like20:09
lcastell¯\_(ツ)_/¯20:09
robcresswellSure20:09
robcresswell#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-pike20:10
robcresswellI've just started tidying this up a little today, I'll be suggesting a few more topics too20:10
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robcresswellIf you have any other topics, please add them. I'm hoping we'll get a few drop ins as well since the PTG is split between horizontal/vertical20:11
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robcresswellNothing else from me anyway20:11
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robcresswellAny other questions/discussion points? r1chardj0n3s: still there? :)20:12
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robcresswellI think thats all then, we can end early. Well, richard can, I'm not a chair :)20:14
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r1chardj0n3ssoneone has replaced my bouncer's net connection with a RFC 1149 connection20:17
r1chardj0n3s#endmeeting20:17
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