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ianychoimatjazp, hi :)13:01
asettleianychoi: o/13:01
ianychoiasettle, o! :)13:01
spotzHey guys just got in the pony will be 'here' in 20:)13:01
asettleI haven't seen any of the guys up for the meeting.13:02
asettleMind you, it's only 2 past13:02
ianychoiI think it is now 13:00 UTC13:02
ianychoiBut.. Summer time would make confuse :)13:02
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matjazphej13:03
matjazpsorry for delay13:03
matjazpmeeting just ended13:03
asettleThereee he is :)13:03
ianychoimatjazp, hi :) Fine!13:03
matjazpstudents .... ;)13:03
ildikovo/13:03
ianychoiHaha many students are following you! Good news :)13:03
ianychoiildikov, hi!13:03
matjazp#startmeeting training-guides13:03
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  4 13:03:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)"13:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_guides'13:03
asettleo/ ola13:04
matjazp#link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda13:04
matjazpok, standard agenda ;)13:04
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ianychoiokay13:04
matjazp#topic Upstream training13:04
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matjazpmany new developments here13:05
matjazpildikov: can you summarize?13:05
ildikovmatjazp: sure13:05
matjazpildikov: for the meeting minutes :)13:05
ildikovso we started to build a team of trainers/coaches13:06
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ildikovwe wanted to have more interaction before the training and ensure that who's coming to help out are familiar with the purpose of the training and the content as well13:06
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ildikovwe are also working on to continuously evolve the format and the content of the training and now we have more eyes on this too and more people to give us ideas13:07
ildikovon the administrational side we renamed the program to OpenStack Upstream Institute13:08
ildikov#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute13:08
matjazp#info Upstream training -> OpenStack Upstream Institute13:08
ildikovthe above link is the team wiki page13:08
ianychoiOh kmARC will come - great :)13:08
ildikovwe are trying to build a liaison team having people from each project13:09
ildikovianychoi: +1 :)13:09
matjazp#info new dedicated IRC channel for Upstream efforts: #openstack-upstream-institute13:09
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ildikovwe also have an IRC channel13:09
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ildikov#info IRC for the training program is #openstack-upstream-institute13:10
ildikovthe channel is also open for people who are interested in on boarding new people to their projects/to the community13:10
ildikovso don't restrict it to only training related topics13:10
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asettleOkay :) joined!13:11
trevormco/13:11
ildikov#info weekly meeting of the training team: 2000 UTC, #openstack-meeting-313:11
ildikovmatjazp: I think that's all in a nutshell13:12
ianychoiUnfortunately it is difficult to join but I will follow meeting minutes13:12
ildikovdoes anyone has any questions?13:12
matjazpildikov: yes, thnx, this all sound really great13:12
ildikovianychoi: I know, sorry about that :(13:12
ianychoi+1 :) ildikov: fine, I have not replied the survey because at that time I was too busy.. :(13:12
ildikovianychoi: I think we could do a short catch up on Tuesday withthose who cannot join on MOnday13:12
ildikovianychoi: I know about 3 people who would be interested for sure and I think we have at least two more who might be13:13
ildikovianychoi: we went to the slot where the majority of people could join from those who replied13:13
matjazpildikov: yes, we can do a summary of the meeting here13:14
ildikovianychoi: unfortunately we're covering the globe, so there's no magic slot and the Boston training is too soon to alternate13:14
ianychoiildikov, yep this is how survey is so important :) I am really fine and I will follow meeting minutes :)13:14
ildikovianychoi: we can catch up on the team IRC, that will be informative to everyone who couldn't join the day before for any reason13:14
ildikovmatjazp: yep, we can have a short update here too13:15
ianychoiildikov, I totally understand, don't worry about it :)13:15
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ildikovmatjazp: one quick question13:15
matjazpildikov: sure13:16
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ildikovmatjazp: do I remember correctly we agreed in storing the VM image source under the training-guides repository?13:16
matjazpyes13:16
matjazpand publish the VM on infra's servers13:16
ianychoimaybe.. tarballs.o.o?13:17
matjazptarballs.o.o ?13:17
matjazpyes, I believe so13:17
matjazpjust the last13:17
matjazpimage13:17
ildikovyes, we will do the publishing13:17
matjazpnot an archive13:17
ianychoi#link http://tarballs.openstack.org/training-labs/images/13:17
matjazpno13:17
ildikovkmARC is updating the image now to use Ocata and we will get the image manually updated once it's ready13:17
matjazpthat is for training labs, not training guides13:17
ildikovthen work on the automation13:17
ianychoiThis is what I found and I used it during Korean local upstream training13:17
ianychoiildikov, would you move the location from http://tarballs.openstack.org/training-labs/images/ to training-guides - e.g.) http://tarballs.openstack.org/training-guides/images/ ?13:18
ildikovianychoi: kmARC's VM image is not uploaded to tarballs.o.o yet13:18
matjazp? I dont know actually... is this the right image?13:18
ianychoihmm.. really13:18
ildikovI asked him yesterday and he said they didn't upload any version finally13:19
matjazpianychoi: is this a usable image? for all the upstream training purposes?13:20
ianychoimatjazp, I remember that ildikov asked to infra team to upload such ova image13:20
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matjazpildikov: do you know if this is the right image?13:21
ianychoi(I am one of observers in #openstack-infra IRC channel.. haha)13:21
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ildikovmatjazp: according to what kmARC said yesterday his image is not supposed to be on tarballs.o.o13:21
ildikovwe talked about uploading the image with the infra guys13:22
ildikovthey were also looking into automating the image build and upload but they ran into some issues13:22
ildikovso we need to investigate that once we get there to have bandwidth for that13:22
matjazpildikov: but as you know it, this is not it?13:22
ildikovmatjazp: ianychoi: the date of that image you copied the link here is October 19 last year13:23
spotzOk back and here ish:)13:23
ildikovmatjazp: ianychoi: we discussed to upload the image somewhere way after that as I remember13:23
matjazpildikov: yes, that is what I remember13:23
matjazpso to sum it up:13:24
ianychoiildikov, yep.. I think so... you would be the right13:24
ildikovthe October date is before the Barcelona Summit13:24
ildikovso it cannot be Mark's image13:24
matjazp1) we need to port the KMarc's code to the training guides repo13:24
matjazp2) we publish manually created image under tarballs.o.o13:24
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matjazp3) we automate the creation process13:25
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ildikovmatjazp: +113:25
matjazpildikov: maybe this is the image that Roger and Pranav created with their osbash scripts and is alreaddy preinstalled13:25
ildikovmatjazp: automation will most likely happen after the Boston training13:26
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ildikovmatjazp: that can be13:26
matjazpildikov: yes, that's why I included step #213:26
ildikovmatjazp: cool, tnx13:26
matjazpildikov: can Mark submit the patch? Or is he busy with other stuff?13:27
ianychoihttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2017-01-17.log.html#t2017-01-17T17:12:1013:27
ildikovmatjazp: you mean to move the source to our repo?13:27
ianychoiIt was tested on January with October image13:27
matjazpildikov: yes13:27
matjazpnow that he no longer works with openstack13:28
ianychoimatjazp, but his name is in: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OpenStack_Upstream_Institute :)13:28
matjazpmaybe he doesn't have time to do it=13:28
ildikovmatjazp: he will come to the training and works on the image13:29
matjazpgreat13:29
ildikovmatjazp: I will double check with him13:29
ildikovmatjazp: do you have any preference where the folder should go under the project tree?13:29
matjazpjust not under docs :)13:29
ildikovok :)13:30
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ianychoi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2017-01-17.log.html#t2017-01-17T16:17:2413:30
ianychoiMaybe.. we need to move http://tarballs.openstack.org/training-labs/images/ to http://tarballs.openstack.org/training-guides/images/13:30
matjazpoh, and maybe not labs? It's to confusing13:30
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matjazpianychoi: definitely13:31
ildikovianychoi: hmm, then the date must be when the image was modified or smth13:31
ianychoiI remember it because at that time I was seeing infra channel a lot for i18n issues..13:31
ianychoiildikov, that's fine we can change :)13:31
ildikovianychoi: I think it's ok to clean this up once we have the new image ready13:32
matjazpImage can also stay there as far as I'm concerened.. but then the automation process would be problemativ13:32
ildikovianychoi: I will talk to the infra guys13:32
ianychoiildikov, +1 :)13:32
ildikovianychoi: thanks for double checking13:32
ianychoiildikov, no problem13:32
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matjazpwe can publish Mark's code under /images, and we can also use the same folder under tarballs.o.o for the created images? So when you look into the repo, you see the code for the image creation and the automation process publishes it under tarballs.o.o/training-guides/images?13:35
ianychoimatjazp, +1 for me13:35
matjazpor maybe even tarballs.o.o/training-guides/13:35
matjazpso no images subfolder13:35
matjazpas this will be the only artefact there13:36
ianychoiIt completely depends on which files would be needed to be synced13:36
ildikovmatjazp: sounds good13:36
ildikovmatjazp: I have no idea at this point what was the issue with the automation last time13:36
ildikovmatjazp: but if we decided the placement of the files that's already a good step13:37
matjazpildikov: problems with vagrant in the infra's VMs?13:37
ianychoiildikov, question: automation means.. that creating an ova file in openstack-infra using DevStack?13:37
ildikovianychoi: building the image and uploading it to tarballs.o.o13:38
matjazpautomation = creating the new image when code in /images repo changes13:38
ildikovmatjazp: maybe, I wasn't deeply involved in that part, I'm guessing it's in the IRC logs somewhere13:38
ianychoiildikov, my questioin is that where the build of the ova file occurs - in openstack-infra? or kmARC's local computer?13:38
matjazpianychoi: infra13:39
ildikovianychoi: should happen in infra13:39
matjazpbut for Boston, we'll build it by hand13:39
matjazpautomation won't be ready for this in time13:39
ianychoiSince kmARC's current script depends on VirtualBox & Vagrant, some more things would be needed with the help from infra team I think13:39
ildikovmatjazp: +113:40
ianychoiI see :) Since running DevStack in openstack-infra dynamically would be some issues..13:40
matjazpI think that mkARC now the details13:41
matjazpnow=know13:41
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ianychoiYep I wanna ask the details on the next irc meeting or during Boston Summit13:41
ianychoiAnd I wanna help :)13:41
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ildikovianychoi: we can spend time on the automation during the Summit13:42
ianychoiildikov, great! :)13:42
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matjazpok, can we switch the topic to the AOB?13:42
ianychoi+113:42
ildikovyep, that's all from me13:42
matjazp#topic Any other business13:43
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matjazpso is there anything that needs a discussion?13:43
ianychoi#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides13:43
ianychoi#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides13:43
ianychoiIf we have time, how about reflecting current status into the both?13:43
matjazphuh, we can delete all the BPs13:44
ianychoiSo... training-guides speciality team will not use BPs?13:44
matjazplatest were from 201413:44
matjazpthey should be with the docs bps13:45
ianychoiThen, for example, upstream training VM image stuff needs to be described in docs-specs?13:46
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ianychoiSometimes I am a little bit confused - how Docs team and training-guides specialty team work together13:46
ianychoiThat's the motivation from my asking13:46
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asettle^^ what ianychoi said :p13:47
asettleWe kinda don't work together, I mean, we do... but... we don't. At least, such is my understanding.13:47
matjazpyes, the thing evolved from a separate project13:47
matjazpthen the training labs split the project in half13:48
matjazpand we both became a speciality teams under docs13:48
matjazpso I send Alex my updates, and she publishes them in the Whats up doc13:49
* asettle waves13:49
asettleIt gives the team exposure to what they're doing - esp as the doc goes out to dev, I18n, and doc13:49
asettleWe offer any help, and visa versa.13:50
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matjazpso we should be using docs-spec for our BPs13:50
matjazpasettle: exactly13:50
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asettleSo far, the process works ;) core reviews are all different too.13:51
matjazpand delete this old stuff under blueprints.lp.net/openstack-trtaining-guides13:51
ianychoiYep I do not say that current process has problems.13:52
matjazpif there are any suggestions, we can improve the process13:53
ianychoiFor better documentation stuff then I think the collaboration with Docs team is great13:53
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ianychoiAs matjazp mentioned previously, it would be much nice if we change hydroglyph+rst into better slide format & style13:54
ianychoiFor such stuff then describing in docs-specs would be the best I think13:55
matjazpyes, e.g. reveal.js is soooo much nicer and has a big community..13:55
ianychoiBut VM image automation is related with both training-guides and upstream training, then in the case, writing a spec into docs-specs would be nice or openstack-infra?13:55
matjazpgood question... I say docs-specs13:56
matjazpwith reviews from infra team13:56
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ianychoiYep.. I now agree with matjazp13:57
matjazpok time's almost up13:58
ildikovsounds good, we can look into this in Boston13:58
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matjazpthank you all for your time13:58
ianychoiildikov, +1 :)13:58
ildikovthanks!13:58
ianychoiThanks you all!13:58
matjazpsee you in 2 weeks13:58
matjazpin the mean time, let's sync over Docs ML13:58
ildikovmatjazp: +113:59
ianychoimatjazp, +113:59
matjazpbye all13:59
ianychoiBye :)13:59
ildikovbye :)13:59
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matjazp#endmeeting13:59
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TheJuliao/18:01
betherlyo/18:01
soliosgo/18:01
TheJuliaRunning slightly behind, apparently my connectivity is really bad at the moment18:01
TheJulia#startmeeting ironic_ui18:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Apr  4 18:02:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is TheJulia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic_ui'18:02
TheJuliaOur agenda, as always https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-ui18:03
TheJulia#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-ui18:03
TheJulia#topic Announcements/Reminders18:03
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TheJulia#info TheJulia will likely miss the meeting next week, and will be on vacation the following week. crushil has volunteered to run the meeting next week.18:04
TheJuliaThat is all I have, anyone else?18:04
TheJuliaI know crushil was unable to make it today.18:05
crushilI am here18:05
crushilJust listening in18:05
TheJuliao/18:05
crushil\o18:05
TheJuliaAwesome18:05
TheJuliaOkay, well, If there are no other announcements, I guess we shall proceed.18:05
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TheJulia#topic Current Status18:06
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TheJuliaI had an item to look at jasmine unit test automation, and realized that our npm job was not actually firing any tests, although I don't know the details of how that works to fix it.18:07
TheJuliabetherly: By chance, is that something you have any knowledge of?18:07
betherlyTheJulia: hmm no i wasn't aware that was happening. I'll take a look18:08
TheJuliaThank you betherly18:08
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TheJulia#info betherly to look at the unit test execution issues18:09
betherlyTheJulia: I'll probably have a response tomorrow now as I'm slightly brain dead this evening lol18:09
TheJuliabetherly: no worries!18:09
TheJuliaOther than that issue, ppiela_ has a number of revisions to be rebased due to merge conflicts.18:09
TheJuliappiela_: By chance, are you here today?18:10
betherlyppiela_: TheJulia: id be happy to help with the rebasing if it would be useful?18:10
ppiela_I am here18:10
crushilI can help out with rebasing too18:11
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TheJuliappiela_: Any objections for people to pickup some of the revisions and rebase them?18:11
ppiela_I got pulled off to work on other stuff18:11
betherlyppiela_: just let us know what you want us to do :) im very happy to help with that tomorrow but don't want duplicate work being done or to step on toes18:11
TheJuliappiela_: it happens :)18:12
ppiela_I dont have a problem with that, but really want to understand what I did wrong18:12
betherlyyup!18:12
betherlyppiela_: i can do it over a video call if that would be useful?18:12
betherlyIt's likely nothing you did wrong18:13
betherlyJust things merging in weird order18:13
betherlyI haven't looked into it yet though18:13
TheJuliappiela_: oh, on the rebase you did?18:13
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ppiela_Thanks. If it is not holding up others, I would like to make another pass before calling for the cavalry18:14
TheJuliappiela_: I think ``git rebase -R`` would have prevented it instead of ``git rebase``18:14
betherlyok. just ping me if you need a hand18:14
ppiela_thx18:14
TheJuliaBut anyway, we should  back on track.18:14
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TheJuliaAnyone have any other statuses to report?18:14
TheJuliaI guess not, moving on...18:15
TheJulia#topic Planning/Priorities18:16
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TheJuliaThe only priority that I see right now is getting the outstanding revisions rebased, but even that is not an urgent activity.18:16
TheJuliaI looked at launchpad earlier today and we had no new bugs.18:17
TheJuliaAny questions or items regrant planning or priority?18:18
* TheJulia hears crickets18:19
TheJuliaSince we have no discussion items, we will just go to open discussion.18:20
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TheJulia#topic Open Discussion18:20
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TheJuliaAnyone have anything they wish to discuss today?18:21
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ppiela_Nothing here18:21
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soliosgI have a newbie question. Does ironic-ui relies on python-ironicclient or talks directly to ironic-api?18:22
TheJuliarobcresswell: Out of curiosity, should we still expect testing guidelines around Pike-3?18:22
TheJuliasoliosg: It uses python-ironicclient18:22
TheJuliasoliosg: Requests are proxied through horizon18:22
soliosgThanks. I found that in requirements.txt, just wanted to confirm.18:22
TheJuliasoliosg: Thank you for asking :)18:23
soliosgIs there a plan to migrate to openstackclient in the future?18:23
soliosgThat's actually my manager's question ;)18:23
ppiela_soliosg: that has not been discussed18:24
TheJuliasoliosg: so, we import python-ironicclient for the rest API client, and openstackclient actually federated out all OSC commands and api calls out to client libraries18:24
jrollopenstackclient isn't a python SDK, right, just a CLI18:24
TheJuliaBasically what jroll said too :)18:25
TheJuliasoliosg: Was there a specific concern with invoking python-ironicclient?18:26
soliosgThank you18:26
soliosgOh, no concern actually18:27
TheJuliaOkay, just wanted to make sure.  :)18:28
TheJuliaExcellent!  Anything else to discuss today? Aside from using the ui to take over the world of course.... :)18:28
ppiela_I have do a style/philosophy question on the ironuc-ui api modules18:30
ppiela_To what extent should be trying to make them faithful 1:1 proxies of the client?18:30
ppiela_This is coming up in code reviews18:31
ppiela_For example, node_id versus node_ident18:31
ppiela_Should the api calls accept both node names and uuids even though the ui components will likely always have the uuid?18:32
TheJuliaInternal style consistency is more important than the variable naming for a single value. If someone really feels strongly about it, it can be bulk changed in a revision, but I don't think naming is really a big deal. I'd be more concerned about including extra data in the reply from horizon to the web page18:32
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TheJuliaWe kind of had the same discussion in shade, and I think we started leaning towards name_or_id for positional variable names18:34
robcresswellTheJulia: pike-1, so next week.18:34
jrollTheJulia: +118:34
robcresswellSorry, just out atm but reading the scrollback :)18:34
TheJuliarobcresswell: awesome!18:35
TheJulia#info robcresswell reports that we should have some integration testing guidance from horizon next week.18:36
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TheJuliappiela_: if it is positional, it... really should not be a big deal. Hopefully that answers your question? :)18:36
ppiela_TheJulia: I agree on consistency. Let's see how things go18:37
TheJuliaSounds good!18:37
ppiela_TheJulia: yes it does18:37
TheJuliaAnything else to discuss today?18:37
* TheJulia hears crickets and thinks everyone can have twenty minutes back18:39
ppiela_Thank you!18:39
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soliosgThanks everyone!18:39
TheJuliaThank you everyone!18:40
TheJulia#endmeeting18:40
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