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| ildikov | #startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 09:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute' | 09:00 |
| ianychoi | o/ | 09:00 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: hi :) | 09:01 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, how r u? :) | 09:01 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: all good, trying to switch back my brain to work mode completely :) | 09:02 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: how are you? | 09:02 |
| kmARC | o/ | 09:02 |
| mrmartin | Hi | 09:02 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, good although my new job makes me so busy :) | 09:02 |
| ianychoi | Hi kmARC and mrmartin :) | 09:03 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: I hope it's a good busy! :) | 09:03 |
| gmann | o/ | 09:03 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, yep good busy thanks :) | 09:03 |
| ianychoi | gmann, hello :) | 09:03 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: cool :) | 09:03 |
| csatari | Hi | 09:03 |
| gmann | ianychoi, hi | 09:03 |
| ianychoi | csatari, hi! | 09:03 |
| ildikov | ok, now that we have a few more people let's start with the meeting :) | 09:04 |
| ianychoi | Lots of attendees today! | 09:04 |
| ildikov | I kept the agenda from last week as we don't have that many overlapping with the attendees | 09:04 |
| ildikov | feel free to add any new items to the agenda here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-upstream-institute-meetings | 09:04 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: +1 :) | 09:04 |
| ildikov | #topic Announcements | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:05 | |
| asettle | o/ | 09:05 |
| asettle | Half available rn, sorry! | 09:05 |
| ildikov | asettle: no worries, thanks for joining! | 09:05 |
| * asettle watches :) | 09:05 | |
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| ildikov | I think we mentioned earlier too that we are planning to bring the training to OpenStack Days events | 09:05 |
| gmann | nice idea +1 | 09:06 |
| ildikov | this Fall we have two occasions under organization | 09:06 |
| csatari | +1 | 09:06 |
| ildikov | OpenStack Days UK: #link https://openstackdays.uk/ | 09:07 |
| ianychoi | Nice idea - I did it last year in Korea, which was so great | 09:07 |
| ildikov | OpenStack Days Nordic: #link http://openstacknordic.org | 09:07 |
| ildikov | the UK event is one day long and the training will run in parallel to the event | 09:07 |
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| ildikov | as for Nordic it will be two days long with one day dedicated to the training | 09:08 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 09:08 |
| ildikov | the meeting agenda is mostly around these, so I will just move forward and we can discuss the details | 09:08 |
| ildikov | #topic Mentors needed for OSD events | 09:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mentors needed for OSD events (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:08 | |
| ildikov | as usual it would be great to have help for these events | 09:09 |
| ildikov | we are looking for local people primarily with the aim to build bigger and stronger local communities | 09:09 |
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| ildikov | obviously if you're planning to join either of these events it would be great if you could come and help out with the training efforts | 09:10 |
| csatari | I can ask my Helsinki collegues if they will attend on the Nordic days. | 09:11 |
| ildikov | also please help to share the info of these plans and help to get more students and mentors as well into the room | 09:11 |
| ildikov | csatari: that would be great! | 09:11 |
| ildikov | csatari: thanks | 09:11 |
| ildikov | asettle: asettle: are you coming to the UK one in September? | 09:12 |
| asettle | ildikov: I don't know :( I don't think my boss will allow me, I'm afraid | 09:13 |
| ildikov | asettle: sadness :( | 09:13 |
| ildikov | asettle: if it's ok please ask, it would be sooo great to have you there! | 09:14 |
| asettle | ildikov: I do indeed to ask :) sadly, after the PTG I'm expected to drop my OpenStack responsibilities :( | 09:14 |
| ildikov | asettle: :( | 09:14 |
| ianychoi | asettle, :( That's so sad story T.T | 09:15 |
| ildikov | asettle: it's still just one day, you can always just come for the morning or afternoon and it's less of a responsibility at this point | 09:15 |
| ildikov | asettle: but I'm sure you know how to present this to your boss :) | 09:15 |
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| asettle | ildikov: I"ll do my best :P | 09:17 |
| ildikov | if any of you is planning to attend these events or know others who do please reach out to Kendall and me | 09:17 |
| csatari | okay | 09:18 |
| ildikov | and we will share the latest news and plans and have you on board | 09:18 |
| ianychoi | I hope that all OpenStack upstream institutes in Europe will be successful with mentors | 09:18 |
| ildikov | asettle: sounds great, tnx :) | 09:18 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I hope so too :) | 09:18 |
| ildikov | ok, let's move to the next topic | 09:18 |
| ildikov | #topic Prepare the training material to shorten it to fit a day | 09:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Prepare the training material to shorten it to fit a day (Meeting topic: openstack_upstream_institute)" | 09:18 | |
| ildikov | the current material with the exercises is not really suitable for shorter trainings | 09:19 |
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| gmann | ildikov, we will have 2 days training in Sydney? or it is shorten ? | 09:20 |
| ildikov | we also had an experience this year with running the training in parallel to an event, where we had to transform it to be more of an office hours things rather than a compact training | 09:20 |
| ildikov | gmann: it will be one and a half days like in Boston | 09:20 |
| gmann | ok | 09:20 |
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| ildikov | gmann: I need to check back with the team for exact hours, but that's the base plan | 09:20 |
| gmann | i see | 09:21 |
| csatari | ildikov: Do you think, that it is not modular enough to be a support material for office hours? | 09:21 |
| ildikov | csatari: I'm not 100% sure on that | 09:21 |
| gmann | so material should be ok as boston in term of length | 09:21 |
| ildikov | last week we started to brainstorm to have even smaller blocks | 09:21 |
| ildikov | also to have a base exercise and follow up exercises if the time allows | 09:21 |
| ildikov | also to try and tag the modules whether it | 09:22 |
| ildikov | 's for a base shorter training or a full 1.5 - 2 days one | 09:22 |
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| csatari | So you would like to build the 1 day and the 1.5 day trainning from the same blocks? | 09:22 |
| ildikov | gmann: for the Sydney training we only need to move forward with the generic improvements and adding more speaker notes | 09:22 |
| gmann | yea tagging will help | 09:22 |
| gmann | ildikov, +1 | 09:23 |
| ildikov | csatari: I wouldn't want to maintain two sets of slides | 09:23 |
| csatari | +1 | 09:23 |
| csatari | Then we need to cut soem of the existing ones. | 09:23 |
| ildikov | csatari: with smaller sets we can play with the website and build different views for instance | 09:23 |
| csatari | some | 09:23 |
| gmann | i know i have not put all ref slide as done before boston. | 09:23 |
| gmann | ll find some time after PTG probably | 09:24 |
| ildikov | csatari: tagging can be a first step that's visual and then move forward with the web page if the content seems to work out | 09:24 |
| ildikov | gmann: after PTG sounds good | 09:24 |
| ildikov | gmann: I will send out a mail and see who from the team will be there and we can organize a gathering for the PTG and discuss what needs to be done before Sydney | 09:24 |
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| ildikov | csatari: yeah, we need to look into what to cut and how | 09:25 |
| gmann | ildikov, nice. we can have short gathering there and f2f discussion | 09:25 |
| ildikov | I also hope that the Contributor Portal will get in shape soon and we can look into how to use that for the training so we don't maintain basic info in multiple places | 09:26 |
| ildikov | but it's a bit longer term thinking | 09:26 |
| ildikov | gmann: yep, I think f2f would be great if we have enough people around | 09:26 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: was your training in Korea a day long too? | 09:27 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, last year, I did upstream training very shortly - just for 3 hours. | 09:27 |
| ianychoi | It was good but just 3 hours were actually too short | 09:28 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: did you use snippets from our training material for that one? | 09:28 |
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| ildikov | yeah, 3 hours should be really focused around a few topics to be good, otherwise it indeed sounds very short | 09:28 |
| ianychoi | At that time, I mainly skipped governance, release, and stable branch section | 09:29 |
| ildikov | yep, that sounds about right | 09:29 |
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| ildikov | that was our thinking too with tagging that what you can skip if you have shorter time that people can learn later as they go and what they need kind of immediately | 09:30 |
| ildikov | does anyone have any questions or further comments/ideas on how to make the material ready to suit shorter trainings? | 09:31 |
| csatari | Can't we just tag these inside the slides? | 09:31 |
| ildikov | csatari: I would visualize it somewhere in the agenda or on the website so on an actual training you don't need to open a slide set to decide | 09:32 |
| ildikov | csatari: for exercises we can/should tag inside | 09:32 |
| ildikov | csatari: like skip if you don't have that much time, or smth like | 09:32 |
| csatari | Okay | 09:32 |
| ildikov | csatari: does it sound ok? | 09:33 |
| csatari | Got it. | 09:33 |
| csatari | +1 | 09:33 |
| ildikov | coolio :) | 09:33 |
| ildikov | it would be great to be practical from the perspective of switching between slides takes time as well | 09:33 |
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| ildikov | so we can support anyone who picks up the material with good visualization so they can plan easier and make less mistakes | 09:34 |
| ildikov | if anyone has ideas to any of the blocks feel free to upload a patch for review | 09:35 |
| ildikov | or if more discussion would be needed we have the channel and can also use the mailing list | 09:35 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. :) | 09:35 |
| ildikov | :) | 09:36 |
| ildikov | it was mainly what I had to say about these events and the material for now | 09:36 |
| ildikov | we are still in the process of organizing and finalizing some details | 09:36 |
| ildikov | does anyone have any questions or comments/ideas for this part? | 09:37 |
| gmann | i am good. | 09:37 |
| csatari | i am good too | 09:37 |
| ildikov | ok, cool, let's move on then :) | 09:38 |
| ildikov | #topic Open discussion | 09:38 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: did you check how to create a repo for the VM scripts and files? | 09:38 |
| kmARC | yes, it's on the way. This week it's gonna be imported to openstack.org | 09:39 |
| ianychoi | Oh we decided to create a new repository for VM scripts? | 09:39 |
| ianychoi | Sorry I think I missed some previous agendas.. | 09:39 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: that was our conclusion last week that we will go down that route as it didn't seem that appropriate to store it under training-guides | 09:40 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: and I think it's also easier to move the files that way and trying to keep history of changes | 09:40 |
| ildikov | kmARC: sounds awesome, thank you! | 09:40 |
| ianychoi | Then my question is that the new repo will be also under Docs team governance? | 09:40 |
| kmARC | yes | 09:41 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 09:41 |
| ildikov | sounds like an agreement :) | 09:42 |
| ildikov | kmARC: I guess we can also look into the job to upload the image to tarballs.o.o when we have the files moved | 09:42 |
| kmARC | yes, that's gonna be the next step | 09:42 |
| ildikov | sounds great | 09:43 |
| ildikov | do you need any help with either of the steps? | 09:43 |
| ildikov | kmARC: ^^ | 09:43 |
| kmARC | not currently | 09:44 |
| ianychoi | I think it is a good idea and just I would like to mention that the new repo needs to be registered to projects.yaml file in openstack/governance repository. Example is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480748/1/reference/projects.yaml | 09:44 |
| kmARC | this is an external project, therefore I did not register to anywhere yet | 09:45 |
| kmARC | I followed the veeeery lengthy documentation how to do it | 09:45 |
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| ildikov | we can do these step by step I think | 09:47 |
| kmARC | I think so too | 09:47 |
| ianychoi | kmARC, oh is it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490202/ ? | 09:47 |
| gmann | kmARC, you referred this one -https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 09:49 |
| kmARC | @ianychoi, @gmann : yes | 09:49 |
| ildikov | kmARC: the review looks good to me, thanks | 09:50 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, just a minor question: "upstream-institute-virtual-environment" vs. "upstream-training-virtual-environment" ? | 09:51 |
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| ildikov | hmm, I think both works, might be easier to identify where the effort belongs if we would use 'upstream-institute-virtual-environment' | 09:53 |
| kmARC | yeah true, I sticked with the name for historical reasons - just moved over from gitlab | 09:53 |
| kmARC | github* | 09:54 |
| ildikov | kmARC: would that be a big effort to name it 'upstream-institute-virtual-environment' on the OpenStack side? | 09:54 |
| ianychoi | Note that it would be a minor point - it looks fine to me | 09:54 |
| kmARC | at this point yes :-( | 09:54 |
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| kmARC | let me ask it | 09:55 |
| ildikov | kmARC: ok, let's ask and if it's a too big effort then just leave as is | 09:55 |
| ianychoi | Cool :) | 09:55 |
| ildikov | ok, we have 4 minutes left | 09:56 |
| ildikov | is there anything else we should discuss here today? | 09:56 |
| ianychoi | I think for the purpose of moving all existing commits, then this direction is better than uploading to training-guides repo. | 09:56 |
| ianychoi | Nope from me | 09:56 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: +1 | 09:56 |
| kmARC | ianychoi: +1 | 09:56 |
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| ildikov | ok, cool | 09:58 |
| ildikov | I think that was all for today | 09:58 |
| ildikov | great meeting | 09:58 |
| ildikov | thank you all for joining! | 09:58 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, agreed :) Thank you too! | 09:58 |
| ildikov | see you around on the channel and Gerrit and here two weeks from today! :) | 09:58 |
| gmann | thanks ildikov | 09:58 |
| mrmartin | \o/ | 09:59 |
| ildikov | have a good day/evening everyone! | 09:59 |
| ildikov | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 09:59:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-08-08-09.00.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-08-08-09.00.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_upstream_institute/2017/openstack_upstream_institute.2017-08-08-09.00.log.html | 09:59 |
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| matjazp | hi all | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, hi | 13:01 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 13:01:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 13:01 |
| matjazp | hi ianychoi | 13:01 |
| matjazp | how are you? | 13:02 |
| matjazp | #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 13:02 |
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| ianychoi | fine although i am now a little busy | 13:02 |
| ianychoi | how about u? | 13:02 |
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| matjazp | ok | 13:03 |
| matjazp | I'm still in Dublin, I'll be back in Slovenia in September | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. and how was in Korea? | 13:04 |
| matjazp | Great | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:04 |
| matjazp | too bad that we didn't have time to meet | 13:04 |
| matjazp | but I was there only for a few days | 13:05 |
| matjazp | if you're busy, lets just start | 13:05 |
| matjazp | #topic Moving from Hieroglyph for rendering slides | 13:05 |
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| matjazp | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120598.html | 13:06 |
| matjazp | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+bug/1708240 | 13:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1708240 in OpenStack Training Guides "Incompatible requirements" [Undecided,New] | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | yep I reas it | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | s/reas/read | 13:06 |
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| matjazp | we already talked about moving to something else | 13:07 |
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| matjazp | now it seems that we have to do it, otherwise we will have problems with new versions | 13:07 |
| matjazp | of openstackdocstheme | 13:08 |
| matjazp | there are few suggestions on the ML | 13:08 |
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| matjazp | rst2html5 | 13:09 |
| matjazp | pandoc | 13:09 |
| matjazp | hovercraft | 13:10 |
| matjazp | that's it I guess | 13:10 |
| matjazp | does you know perhaps if the conversion with rst2html works? or Pandoc? I think I remember that we already tried a few (years?) back and that it wasnt the best output | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | hovercraft.. I don't know | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | I want to try them :) | 13:11 |
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| matjazp | hovercraft was suggested by Markus Zoeller on the Docs ML | 13:12 |
| matjazp | its his tool | 13:12 |
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| * ildikov steps in and hides at the back of the room :) | 13:13 | |
| matjazp | maybe the process of conversion is better now | 13:13 |
| matjazp | hi ildikov | 13:13 |
| ildikov | how quickly do we need to decide and move? | 13:13 |
| ildikov | matjazp: hi :) | 13:13 |
| ildikov | sorry for being late, I have a parallel meeting | 13:14 |
| matjazp | well, we can stay on older version of the openstackdocstheme for a while, but the real problem is sphinx | 13:14 |
| matjazp | np ildikov | 13:14 |
| matjazp | hieroglyph does not work with sphinx >= 1.6.0 | 13:14 |
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| ildikov | so it's not Sphinx but hieroglyph that got so out of date we cannot use it anymore | 13:15 |
| matjazp | and honestly, I think it's more or less a dead projectso we should move from it | 13:15 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes | 13:15 |
| ildikov | yeah, agreed | 13:15 |
| matjazp | I think that reveal,js is the obvious candidate | 13:16 |
| matjazp | but it has a problem of natively supporting MD, not RST | 13:16 |
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| ildikov | do we have any constraints from infra side? | 13:16 |
| ildikov | besides the Sphinx version | 13:16 |
| matjazp | well I remember that this was one of the reasons we chose hieroglyph in the first place | 13:17 |
| matjazp | support for it was already there, since it's just a addon for sphinx | 13:17 |
| ildikov | hmm, it would be great not to switch to another file format as well | 13:17 |
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| matjazp | yes, there are converters | 13:18 |
| matjazp | rst2html | 13:18 |
| matjazp | pandoc | 13:18 |
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| matjazp | maybe we could use this to just render slides from the same source | 13:18 |
| matjazp | this would be ideal | 13:18 |
| matjazp | but I expect problems with this - it never works OOTB | 13:19 |
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| matjazp | we also have this integration with bug reporting | 13:19 |
| matjazp | you know - that little bug link on the slides that directs you directly to the proper bug queue | 13:20 |
| matjazp | so users can report bugs on the particular slide with one click | 13:20 |
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| fungi | i thought rst2html5 looked promising since you could still maintain your content in rst but render it to reveal.js like you were wanting | 13:21 |
| ildikov | I guess we need to try it out and see how it works | 13:22 |
| matjazp | fungi: yes, but we have to see how it renders slides | 13:22 |
| fungi | granted you'd likely need to reformat the current corpus of slides some, but at least wouldn't need to switch to a completely different markup language than is used for other documentation in the community | 13:22 |
| matjazp | I remember that we tried that a long time ago and results were not so good and we stick with hieroglyph | 13:22 |
| fungi | ahh, too bad :/ | 13:23 |
| matjazp | fungi: yes, I don't want to switch to MD | 13:23 |
| matjazp | fungi : but things could improve in the mean time | 13:23 |
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| matjazp | maybe even pandoc works now :) | 13:23 |
| ildikov | fungi: yeah, it's a priority not to change to another format | 13:24 |
| fungi | great | 13:24 |
| matjazp | hmm.. iare there any hard time limits regarding sphinx version from the infra? | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | Personally I prefer to use rst2html5 but I do not have experience. Pandoc means that we need to convert to another format? | 13:24 |
| ildikov | I wonder whether we could work with pdf files | 13:25 |
| matjazp | ildikov: how do you mean? | 13:25 |
| ildikov | I was just thinking out loud on what format we could render the slides to that we could use for trainings | 13:25 |
| ildikov | let's start with trying out what we have and see where we are first | 13:26 |
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| matjazp | fungi: is from the infra point of view older sphinx ok? or what is the time frame for us to switch to >1.6? So we plan | 13:27 |
| fungi | matjazp: if you can successfully install it from pypi, i don't think we care what version of sphinx you're on | 13:27 |
| matjazp | fungi: great, I believe that buys us more time | 13:28 |
| matjazp | but we'll be stuck with older version of openstackdocstheme | 13:28 |
| matjazp | so migration is inevitable | 13:28 |
| fungi | yeah, as long as your job/tox env/whatever you're using specifies the version(s) of sphinx you want (in a requirements.txt file maybe? i haven't looked at how yours is set up) then it should work just dandy | 13:29 |
| matjazp | great. So we should just try rst2html and pandoc... any volunteers? :) | 13:30 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I can take one | 13:31 |
| * matjazp is still on secondment in Dublin (so unfortunately no time for this) | 13:31 | |
| matjazp | ildikov: great | 13:31 |
| matjazp | ildikov: rst or pandoc? | 13:31 |
| ildikov | has either of you tried either of the options? | 13:31 |
| fungi | #link https://twitter.com/faidonl/status/894694365154738176 | 13:32 |
| fungi | #undo | 13:32 |
| fungi | sorry, prepping link from the wrong buffer | 13:32 |
| fungi | chair will have to #undo | 13:32 |
| ildikov | fungi: np, good message :) | 13:32 |
| matjazp | #undo | 13:32 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://twitter.com/faidonl/status/894694365154738176 | 13:32 |
| ildikov | matjazp: rst | 13:32 |
| fungi | thanks, sorry | 13:32 |
| matjazp | np | 13:33 |
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| matjazp | #action ildikov tries the conversion of slides with rst2html | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | I want to try them but not now - maybe from September.. | 13:33 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I need to look into these, I'm less knowledgable when it comes to presentation formats | 13:33 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: do you know how big work it would be to fix up hieroglyph? | 13:34 |
| matjazp | ildikov: no, but is it even worth it | 13:34 |
| matjazp | it's not maintained anymore | 13:34 |
| matjazp | so we'll run into troubles later for sure | 13:34 |
| ildikov | well, it depends what we find to replace it | 13:35 |
| ildikov | so i just asked as plan C | 13:35 |
| matjazp | I don't see no other long term options besides migration to something that is maintained - unless WE adopt maintenance of hieroglyph | 13:35 |
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| fungi | which, while noble, is not a decision to be taken lightly | 13:36 |
| matjazp | agree | 13:37 |
| ildikov | sure | 13:37 |
| ildikov | was just an innocent question really :) | 13:38 |
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| matjazp | this looks like the problem with hieroglyph https://github.com/nyergler/hieroglyph/issues/124 | 13:38 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: sure, maybe we'll need plan C, so good thinking | 13:38 |
| matjazp | ok, so for a while, we're OK, as long we use the older version of sphinx and openstackdocstheme | 13:39 |
| ildikov | matjazp: maybe someone likes it enough to fix it :) | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, yep - just we might need to specify sphinx version in test-requirements in training-guides repository? | 13:40 |
| ildikov | matjazp: +1, hopefully we find a good enough alternative | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | oh already specifyed: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/training-guides/tree/test-requirements.txt | 13:41 |
| matjazp | ildikov: I'm still hoping that conversion will save us ;) | 13:41 |
| ildikov | matjazp: fingers crossed :) | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:42 |
| matjazp | that's it for this topic, I guess | 13:42 |
| matjazp | switch to AOB? | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | Nope from me | 13:42 |
| ildikov | nope from me either | 13:43 |
| matjazp | #topic any other business | 13:43 |
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| ildikov | if either of you played with either of the alternatives earlier and have any heads ups I'm happy to learn them :) | 13:43 |
| ildikov | otherwise, I'll play with it and see how things go | 13:44 |
| fungi | oh, the actual link i meant to post | 13:44 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120771.html New code contributors no longer forced to join the foundation | 13:44 |
| matjazp | ildikov: I'll try to look for that old stuff | 13:44 |
| fungi | that presumably has some impact on the upstream institute materials | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | I was out of my home for about 20 minutes but if rst2html5 installation and testing works well, then I think choosing rst2html5 would be best - the change of rst syntaxes (from hydroglpyh to rst2html5 supported syntaxes) would be less then other options | 13:44 |
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| ildikov | fungi: looks good, thanks for the reminder | 13:45 |
| fungi | i wasn't sure if the content managers for the training guides had seen the announcement on the change to the onboarding workflow | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | fungi, thanks :) | 13:45 |
| ildikov | fungi: yep, we will need to update a few slides | 13:45 |
| matjazp | was that even a problem? | 13:46 |
| matjazp | "forcing" to join I mean | 13:46 |
| ildikov | fungi: always a good approach to give a heads up considering how busy the mailing list is :) | 13:46 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, especially now that we'll merge docs ML with dev ML | 13:47 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: there are always complaints about that and the ICLA as far as I remember | 13:47 |
| fungi | matjazp: yes, because you had to join the foundation before trying to sign the icla, and if your e-mail address didn't match perfectly between the foundation member profile and gerrit or you chose the wrong member type then you got a cryptic error message | 13:47 |
| matjazp | so A LOT more mails in ML | 13:47 |
| matjazp | fungi: yes, I know about those problems, but what I mean is that ppl will still join the Foundation, I believe | 13:48 |
| ildikov | fungi: at least a half an hour on the training to figure out the root case of those errors... :) | 13:48 |
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| fungi | matjazp: not to mention, casual contributors (those coming from other free software communities, not so much the upstream institute audience) were potentially turned off by being required to join an organization just to push patches | 13:48 |
| ildikov | fungi: as you need to fill out the contact info in Gerrit as well and there are issues time to time too, all joy :) | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, you are encountering some errors? | 13:49 |
| fungi | yeah, no more contact info bits in gerrit | 13:49 |
| matjazp | fungi: huh, yes, that's true... I all you want is to contribute a small patch, than joining was a bit of overkill | 13:49 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: just the process to have the students signed up everywhere is always tricky | 13:50 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: easy to make a mistake and not always easy to figure out which step went wrong | 13:50 |
| fungi | i'm setting my sights on finally being able to drop icla enforcement in gerrit in another cycle or two, but that's a pretty major undertaking | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, aha I see. I think ICLA signing user interfaces in Gerrit does not seem user friendly | 13:50 |
| ildikov | fungi: sounds good, I think we are having good progress to the right direction | 13:51 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: with ICLA it's more about corporate concerns and so forth | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, aha yep also.. got it - thanks :) | 13:51 |
| matjazp | ok, anything else left to discuss? | 13:51 |
| ildikov | I'm good | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Nope from me - thanks, matjazp for organizing today meeting | 13:52 |
| fungi | yeah, we've cleared the board of directors/foundation legal hurdle on dropping icla enforcement and switching to the dco a while back, but the mechanics of making that happen will still take a while | 13:52 |
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| matjazp | thanks a lot for your time | 13:52 |
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| matjazp | see you around in 2 weeks | 13:53 |
| ildikov | thanks all! | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all! | 13:53 |
| matjazp | bye all | 13:53 |
| ildikov | fungi: yeah, those things are never easy | 13:53 |
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| matjazp | #endmeeting | 13:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 13:53:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2017/training_guides.2017-08-08-13.01.html | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2017/training_guides.2017-08-08-13.01.txt | 13:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2017/training_guides.2017-08-08-13.01.log.html | 13:54 |
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| TheJulia | #startmeeting ironic_ui | 18:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 8 18:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TheJulia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_ui)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_ui' | 18:01 |
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| anupn | Hi all | 18:02 |
| TheJulia | Who is here for the ironic-ui meeting? | 18:02 |
| TheJulia | hi anupn | 18:02 |
| anupn | o/ | 18:02 |
| rama_y | o/ | 18:02 |
| ppiela | I am here | 18:02 |
| TheJulia | Awesome, I guess we can ge started then! | 18:02 |
| TheJulia | Our agenda is our boilerplate default this week, so this meeting should hopefully go relatively quickly. | 18:03 |
| TheJulia | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-ui | 18:03 |
| TheJulia | #topic Announcements/Reminders | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements/Reminders (Meeting topic: ironic_ui)" | 18:03 | |
| TheJulia | #info Ironic-ui 3.0.0 proposed for release https://review.openstack.org/491872 | 18:04 |
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| TheJulia | #info Ironic PTL election is this week. Please remember to vote once voting begins. | 18:05 |
| TheJulia | Those are the only two things I had. Does anyone have anything else? | 18:05 |
| anupn | TheJulia, what day is the voting? | 18:06 |
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| TheJulia | anupn: I believe voting starts at midnight UTC tonight, but I might be wrong on that. | 18:06 |
| anupn | aug 16 it is | 18:06 |
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| anupn | oh i see | 18:07 |
| TheJulia | anupn: I believe that is when voting ends. | 18:07 |
| anupn | yes got it https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 18:07 |
| anupn | it is 9th | 18:07 |
| TheJulia | okay, my brain is clearly off by a day. | 18:09 |
| TheJulia | Anyway, we should move on | 18:09 |
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| anupn | :) | 18:10 |
| TheJulia | #topic Current Status | 18:11 |
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| anupn | I have got my questions answered (thanks ppiela)on remaining patch for driver composition, so will be submitting a revision by today or latest tomorrow | 18:13 |
| TheJulia | I have submitted for the pike release to be cut for ironic-ui. This means we should be able to merge changes to the master branch. Anything that needs to go into the stable branch, we can handle that on a case by case basis. | 18:13 |
| TheJulia | anupn: Awesome! | 18:14 |
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| rama_y | I just submitted update to the raid config patch | 18:14 |
| TheJulia | rama_y: awesome! | 18:14 |
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| ppiela | Thanks rama_y: I am reviewing, looks good | 18:14 |
| TheJulia | ppiela does have a few refactoring changes that are pending, but I've been holding off until the stable branch is cut. | 18:15 |
| rama_y | Thanks, TheJulia, ppiela | 18:15 |
| TheJulia | Anything else status-wise to discuss? | 18:15 |
| ppiela | nope | 18:15 |
| rama_y | no | 18:16 |
| TheJulia | Do we have any planning/priorities items to discuss? | 18:16 |
| anupn | not from me | 18:16 |
| ppiela | not yet | 18:17 |
| TheJulia | Okay, I propose we go directly to open discussion. | 18:17 |
| ppiela | yes | 18:17 |
| TheJulia | #topic Open Discussion | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: ironic_ui)" | 18:18 | |
| ppiela | When do we expect to do Queens planning? | 18:19 |
| TheJulia | Ideally at the PTG | 18:19 |
| ppiela | ok | 18:20 |
| anupn | what are some of things we are looking to target in queens? | 18:20 |
| TheJulia | but, I don't know if any of you will be there? | 18:20 |
| rama_y | TheJulia, I won't be there | 18:20 |
| ppiela | probably not :-( | 18:21 |
| anupn | me too probably not | 18:21 |
| rama_y | It would be great to follow an etherpad during the discussions | 18:21 |
| TheJulia | Okay, then what I'd like to propose is we have a meeting the week before the PTG and try to plan for items for the next cycle. That way I can have the items during the PTG and give an update to the attendees there. | 18:22 |
| ppiela | that sounds great! | 18:22 |
| rama_y | ok | 18:22 |
| TheJulia | I think, in the mean time, that means doing another gap assessment, and evaluating the impact of each | 18:22 |
| TheJulia | which is what we did last cycle | 18:22 |
| ppiela | yes | 18:22 |
| TheJulia | I would <3 a volunteer to take on doing that for this cycle. More than happy to work with someone, I just think it would be bad for me to do it all alone | 18:23 |
| rama_y | Please count me in | 18:23 |
| ppiela | I can take it on | 18:23 |
| anupn | i can also in case you need more | 18:24 |
| ppiela | More the merrier | 18:24 |
| anupn | count me in then | 18:24 |
| ppiela | thx | 18:24 |
| anupn | but i did not got exactly by gap assessment | 18:25 |
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| TheJulia | Okay, so what I'll do then is find my old spreadsheet, and send out an email, and we can kind of go from there. | 18:25 |
| ppiela | We will look at what the UI oes not support in terms of Ironic functionality, missing features | 18:26 |
| anupn | oh ok. sounds good | 18:26 |
| rama_y | Sounds good | 18:26 |
| TheJulia | Okay, I should have that email sent in the next day or two. If I've not sent it by friday, please reach out to me, and I'll try to get that started | 18:26 |
| ppiela | thx TheJulia: | 18:27 |
| TheJulia | Do we have anything else to discuss? | 18:27 |
| ppiela | Unfortunately I have not yet found any users that can give us feedback | 18:27 |
| anupn | thanks TheJulia | 18:28 |
| TheJulia | ppiela: I've sen some mention of on the mailing list, I guess someone in china has been trying to use it, or has been using it? I don't remember offhand. | 18:28 |
| anupn | ppiela, feedback on what patch? | 18:28 |
| TheJulia | anupn: feedback on overall use/experience. | 18:29 |
| TheJulia | Sadly, my current position doesn't make it easy for me to go to things like the Operators midcycle | 18:29 |
| ppiela | I did respond to the person in China. I provided some things to try which they acknowledged, but have not received an updated response | 18:30 |
| ppiela | We'll keep trying | 18:30 |
| anupn | oh good to know | 18:30 |
| anupn | yes | 18:30 |
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| ppiela | I think the UI has come a long way in this cycle | 18:31 |
| rama_y | Are we going to announce on the mailing list, this release of Ironic UI? | 18:31 |
| ppiela | Thanks to our new members | 18:31 |
| rama_y | That might prompt folks to try | 18:31 |
| TheJulia | rama_y: it should be automatic once the release team pushes the button. | 18:31 |
| rama_y | Oh ok | 18:31 |
| TheJulia | Yes, it has, thanks everyone! | 18:31 |
| rama_y | Thanks TheJulia and ppiela for all the help | 18:32 |
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| anupn | Yes, it has been a good progress, thanks all :) | 18:33 |
| TheJulia | Well, I guess that is it for today! :) | 18:33 |
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| ppiela | Have a good week everyone! | 18:34 |
| rama_y | Thanks all! | 18:34 |
| TheJulia | Thanks everyone! | 18:34 |
| anupn | thanks all | 18:34 |
| TheJulia | Have a wonderful week! | 18:34 |
| TheJulia | #endmeeting | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:34 | |
| anupn | hasta la vista guys :) | 18:34 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 8 18:34:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_ui/2017/ironic_ui.2017-08-08-18.01.html | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_ui/2017/ironic_ui.2017-08-08-18.01.txt | 18:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_ui/2017/ironic_ui.2017-08-08-18.01.log.html | 18:35 |
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