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| kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
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| kiall | Heya | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 13 17:00:08 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| eankutse | here | 17:00 |
| kiall | Hey guys - Who's about? | 17:00 |
| eankutse | here | 17:00 |
| vinod1 | here | 17:00 |
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| kiall | Cool - A few of the HP folks are at a conference in the UK at the moment, so aren't about | 17:01 |
| eankutse | Kiall: good job at the Openstack conf | 17:02 |
| kiall | So - I frankly forgot to publish the agenda at all .. Will try and remember to get that out earlier than on the day (or at all!) | 17:02 |
| kiall | thanks eankutse :) | 17:02 |
| eankutse | I hate demos tho :-) | 17:02 |
| kiall | Still trying to catch back up after the week away! | 17:02 |
| kiall | Yea - Demos fail, not sure what I was thinking :D | 17:02 |
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| kiall | So .. Straight to it I suppose :) | 17:03 |
| artom | kiall, for serious, I thought you were going to demo a known-working installation with some queries. | 17:03 |
| artom | Not install from scratch. | 17:03 |
| kiall | #topic OpenStack Summit | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:03 | |
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| kiall | artom: Yea, I had the start -> finish install in under 5 mins down .. But fat fingered something on stage | 17:03 |
| kiall | Anyway :) I think it still went well :) | 17:04 |
| * CaptTofu \o | 17:04 | |
| kiall | CaptTofu did most of the talking, so I didn't get too much of an opportunity to ruin it :) | 17:04 |
| CaptTofu | kiall: Ruth said you did great | 17:04 |
| artom | Oh, CaptTofu is Patrick! | 17:04 |
| * artom puts a face on nick. | 17:05 | |
| CaptTofu | aha! | 17:05 |
| kiall | Anyway - Had some good talks with people at the conference about Designate, starting to see more and more interest.. Which is obviously great! | 17:05 |
| betsy | I just got here | 17:05 |
| kiall | #link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jLFnw0joO8 | 17:06 |
| kiall | For those who haven't seen it ;) | 17:06 |
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| kiall | Anyway - One of the more interesting conversations was with RedHat, who said something along the lines of "there seeing customer demand for Designate" | 17:07 |
| eankutse | cool | 17:07 |
| betsy | nice | 17:07 |
| kiall | I think that says alot about the gap we're filling :) | 17:07 |
| betsy | So, any talk about us getting incubated? | 17:07 |
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| betsy | I know we were waiting for the next step until after the conf | 17:08 |
| kiall | Plenty of Q's about it, but I left most of them at "We're going to discuss it post-summit" | 17:08 |
| kiall | #action kiall to put incubation on next weeks agenda | 17:08 |
| kiall | So - Won't spend too long on the Summit, but just wanted to say it went well, and we're seeing more and more interest :) | 17:09 |
| kiall | #topic Havana Release | 17:09 |
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| kiall | Moments before the Summit, we released the "Havana" / 2013.2 version, and cut a "stable/havana" branch .. | 17:09 |
| kiall | I wanted to give an explanation of how that works, and what's acceptable etc in the stable branch (based on what the other OS projects allow into stable branches) | 17:10 |
| kiall | Lots of the Summit talk was about handling more and more projects becoming OpenStack | 17:10 |
| kiall | The main gripes were things like: Not following the conventions in advance, not having the CI infrastructure in place in advance, and the usual "We should stick to IaaS" suggetions | 17:11 |
| kiall | Re conventions, over the last few weeks/months we've made big strides towards following the conventions | 17:12 |
| kiall | things like how the launchpad blueprints / bugs are tracked, cutting a stable branch, actually doing a release etc.. but we have more to go - mostly around how we do CI testing | 17:12 |
| kiall | (Thanks mugsie for sorting the blueprints/bugs out BTW - If your here!) | 17:13 |
| kiall | So, now that we have this stable/havana branch, it's intended to be bugfix only where no new features land. | 17:13 |
| kiall | i.e. People should be able to run that branch and upgrade each and every commit in it seamlessly .. | 17:14 |
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| kiall | vinod1's patch for SDL fixes a pretty serious bug, but technically, adds features too.. So, we need to be careful to leave the default behaviours unchanged if we want to merge that into stable/havana | 17:15 |
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| kiall | How that actually happens is, all patches MUST land on master first, sit there for a while until we're happy it's solid, then we `git cherry-pick` (and possibly amend) the commit and `git-review` again, it'll be proposed to the stable/havana branch as a new review | 17:16 |
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| kiall | Any Q's? :) | 17:16 |
| vinod1 | Should we have a different fix for the SDL for havana vs icehouse? | 17:17 |
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| kiall | vinod1: for the particular case, I think the fix your doing is the cleanest fix possible. So, No, I think we merge that patch through. But.. | 17:17 |
| kiall | In the stable/havana branch, the public suffix list should be disabled by default, instead only using the IANA list | 17:18 |
| kiall | Leaving the existing behaviours unchanged | 17:18 |
| kiall | Making that happen is bacially, `git checkout stable/havana && git cherry-pick YourReviewSha1 && set default public suffix list file to "None" && git commit -a --amend && git-review` | 17:19 |
| kiall | (Once it's landed in master etc) | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | How long are branches active - i.e. how long would we need to maintain stable/havana before it becomes deprecated? | 17:20 |
| kiall | vinod1: So, I believe the norm in OpenStack is to abandon all but security fixes once a new stable/* branch is cut | 17:20 |
| kiall | i.e master will eventually turn into stable/icehouse in ~6 months, where stable/havana will turn into security fix only mode | 17:21 |
| kiall | (At least - that's what I think the conventions are..) | 17:22 |
| kiall | Okay .. So - Last thing on Havana release, I'll be maintaining .deb's for both stable/havana and master, if others know how debian/ubuntu packaging works.. Happy to get help with that :) | 17:23 |
| kiall | Okay :) Moving on so .. | 17:24 |
| kiall | #topic SDL Patch | 17:24 |
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| kiall | vinod1 has a patch up for review on fixing the "SDL issue" (i.e. customers registering "co.uk." in Designate, blocking "company.co.uk." | 17:25 |
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| artom | kiall, overflow from previous topic, but a couple of guys here have plans/intentions to package for Debian. | 17:25 |
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| artom | You spoke to Ignace at the summit, and we'll talk it over next week, so more concrete info then. But just FYI for now :) | 17:26 |
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| kiall | Cool :) | 17:26 |
| kiall | Anyone have comments on the SDL fix? I know I'm pretty happy with how it's looking, with some minor comments like: | 17:27 |
| kiall | 15:38 <kiall> vinod1: I was actually thing the same thing a few minutes ago .. I think the public suffix and IANA list parsing etc belongs isolated from everything else, exposing 1 method "is_effective_tld", which returns True/False.. | 17:27 |
| kiall | 15:38 <kiall> Then the remainder of the checks are in the central/service.py file, to later be abstracted away along with the record_name etc checks | 17:27 |
| eankutse | I am in the middle of looking at it | 17:27 |
| eankutse | mainly learning | 17:27 |
| kiall | Re where the PSL/IANA lists checks should go, vs things like the single label checks | 17:27 |
| betsy | I haven't really looked at it yet either :( | 17:27 |
| kiall | No worries :) Just wanted to check if others had comments! | 17:28 |
| artom | Can't say I've looked at it in enough details to have an opinion. | 17:28 |
| artom | Other than what I already posted. | 17:28 |
| vinod1 | So kiall to clarify - are you saying that it is okay to have the accepted list checks and the 1 label check in effectivetld.py? | 17:28 |
| kiall | vinod1: so, I think effectivetld.py should concern itself with parsing the IANA and Public Suffix lists, and checking if a domain is equal to one of the list items | 17:30 |
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| kiall | e.g. 1 public method is_effective_tld('example.com.') (which returns False) / is_effective_tld('co.uk.') (which returns True) | 17:30 |
| kiall | Then, the other checks go back in central/service.py, and get moved later into a "central/validations.py" (or something) with the domain/record/etc checks all in there rather than the main service class | 17:31 |
| vinod1 | okay | 17:32 |
| vinod1 | mugsie also had a comment about raising all the exceptions in one place | 17:32 |
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| vinod1 | With the change that you suggested, taking care of mugsie's suggestions too should be easy | 17:32 |
| kiall | I think all the exceptions end up being raised in central/service.py after that, and then eventually somewhere else (when we start clearning central/service.py out) | 17:32 |
| kiall | (Side track: central/service.py is getting too big, and concerns itself with way too many things at once.. hence starting with vinod1's SDL patch, we'll try and turn related code into modules that can be used by central/service.py) | 17:33 |
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| kiall | Okay .. Moving on so :) | 17:35 |
| kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:35 |
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| eankutse | I proposed a new blueprint - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/zone-search | 17:35 |
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| kiall | eankutse: reading | 17:36 |
| eankutse | k | 17:36 |
| kiall | I wonder, does this duplicate https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/APIv2#Filtering (Which I'm still working on .. Slowly. 2 fulls days starting tomorrow AM dedicated to it ;)) | 17:37 |
| kiall | One piece it adds, which we don't have explicitly called out in the V2 spec, is searching across "all tenants". | 17:38 |
| eankutse | We can take this up in the IRC after looking at both blueprints | 17:38 |
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| eankutse | k | 17:39 |
| kiall | eankutse: cool :) I'll have another read of it on the train home, mugsie is also one of the better people at figuring out how an API should look.. I'll ping him to add some comments if he can | 17:39 |
| eankutse | cool | 17:40 |
| vinod1 | The blueprint that eankutse proposed would primarily help support | 17:40 |
| kiall | Either way, I was planning on getting the core pieces of V2 API back up for review before the end of the week, which would be the new API endpoints/format, but none of the new features like this.. So this piece is certainly open for the taking :) | 17:40 |
| kiall | (I've found 2 whole days to dedicated to writing code, with no colleagues around to distract, so I'm hopeful i'll get it done before the end of the week ;)) | 17:41 |
| CaptTofu | I won't distract either :) | 17:42 |
| kiall | Too late - Just got a distraction email ;) | 17:42 |
| betsy | We'll probably be around to distract you tho ;) | 17:42 |
| CaptTofu | hah | 17:42 |
| kiall | Anyway - Any other stuff to discuss? (Before I start on my last thing that is!) | 17:43 |
| artom | dnssec? | 17:43 |
| kiall | Hah - Now that's a topic and a half :) | 17:43 |
| artom | A couple of guys here were asking about it, saying it's going to be almost required in the coming months/year. | 17:44 |
| artom | Tell me about it ;) | 17:44 |
| kiall | Probably not enough time to discuss that this week, do you want to drop it on the agenda for next week? Maybe an intro discussion figuring out what our requirements are? It's coming up on everyones radar :) | 17:44 |
| artom | Yeah, it's not urgent. | 17:44 |
| kiall | (Also had lots of DNSSEC related questions at the summit) | 17:45 |
| artom | I'll do my homework and learn more about how it works. | 17:45 |
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| kiall | Okay .. Well, My last thing then! We've been more active between meetings in #openstack-dns - Rather than waiting a whole week to discuss in-review stuff, blueprints etc etc, we're doing it much closer to "real time". I love it :) And just want to encourage that over waiting for the weekly meet! | 17:46 |
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| artom | Hah, sweet, I was starting to do the reverse since it seems like the established way of doing things. | 17:47 |
| eankutse | Yes :-) | 17:47 |
| kiall | artom: hah - I knew it was a good thing to bring up ;) | 17:47 |
| artom | I'm an impatient bastid. | 17:48 |
| kiall | I'd *personally* like to see these meetings last 30 mins, rather than an hour, with Discussion/Homework in-between, Decisions here.. But that's just me :) | 17:48 |
| kiall | Thoughts? :) | 17:48 |
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| betsy | Kiall: sounds good to me | 17:49 |
| artom | The only thing about real-time IRC is it gets difficult(er) to track stuff. | 17:49 |
| artom | There's no trac or redmine or something similar that can be used? | 17:49 |
| eankutse | is there a bot? | 17:49 |
| kiall | Channel logs are published here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-dns/ | 17:49 |
| artom | (If people want, obviously) | 17:49 |
| kiall | And launchpad.net/designate is ~= trac/redmine! | 17:50 |
| artom | That's not very searchable ;) | 17:50 |
| kiall | artom: plain text is searchable as hell `wget --recursive && grep ` :P | 17:50 |
| artom | Grrrr ;) | 17:51 |
| kiall | eankutse: by bot, I assume you mean channel logging bot? | 17:51 |
| eankutse | yes. | 17:51 |
| eankutse | You answered | 17:51 |
| kiall | Cool - Just checking :) | 17:51 |
| CaptTofu | who here was interested in mysql-bind? I have been remiss in getting that done | 17:51 |
| kiall | Meeting logs are also here BTW: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/ | 17:51 |
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| kiall | Not sure I remember who asked about that .. Sorry! | 17:52 |
| artom | I just want to avoid stuff said on IRC being left in logs only - hence why I did that summary on vinod1's patchset for example. | 17:52 |
| kiall | artom: yea, I totally agree. There's a balance to be had between IRC/Gerrit/Launchpad - we'll need to find the right one! | 17:53 |
| betsy | artom: Yes. That was very helpful | 17:53 |
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| artom | But other yeah, the more chatter the merrier :) | 17:54 |
| artom | *otherwise | 17:54 |
| kiall | Okay - Any other comments/topics etc before we close out? :) | 17:56 |
| * kiall assumes not :) | 17:57 | |
| vinod1 | get your lunch/dinner/nutrition and back to work :-) | 17:57 |
| eankutse | none | 17:57 |
| kiall | vinod1: lol .. I'll try ;) | 17:57 |
| betsy | none for me | 17:57 |
| artom | Nada here. | 17:57 |
| kiall | Okay - Thanks all :) | 17:57 |
| kiall | #action kiall to update agenda earlier (for real this time) | 17:58 |
| kiall | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 13 17:58:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-13-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-13-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2013/designate.2013-11-13-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| hub_cap | hello all lets leave trickle time | 20:00 |
| cp16net | hola | 20:00 |
| datsun180b | hello | 20:00 |
| robertmyers | sooo early | 20:01 |
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| vipul | o/ | 20:01 |
| hub_cap | lol robertmyers | 20:01 |
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| yogesh | o/ | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #startmeeting trove | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 13 20:02:19 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hub_cap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 20:02 |
| hub_cap | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 20:02 |
| cp16net | o^/ | 20:02 |
| robertmyers | o/ | 20:02 |
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| pdmars | o/ | 20:03 |
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| amcrn | o/ | 20:03 |
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| hub_cap | so i suspect a good bit of trovesters might miss this wks meeting heh | 20:03 |
| esmute | 0? | 20:03 |
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| hub_cap | esmute: u should get that checked out | 20:03 |
| cweid | o/ | 20:03 |
| juice | o/ | 20:03 |
| kevinconway | o7 | 20:03 |
| hub_cap | >o< meow | 20:03 |
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| esmute | lol | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | so, lets talk | 20:04 |
| redthrux | o/ | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | #topic summit | 20:04 |
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| hub_cap | so i think the summit went well. we ddint have a ton of visitors but we did have good participation from the heat crew and the testing crew during thos meetings... as well as the guest talk | 20:04 |
| hub_cap | it was very good to have some real track time this time around | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | we discussed clustering a lot and there is still a bunch of ideas that have not coalesced, i feel | 20:05 |
| juice | a big difference from the last conference in terms of interest | 20:05 |
| hub_cap | yes juice i think so | 20:05 |
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| hub_cap | also a lot of terrible beer | 20:05 |
| juice | adrian otto seemed pretty adamant on keeping it as it is | 20:05 |
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| * CaptTofu lurks | 20:05 | |
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| kevinconway | juice: the beer? | 20:06 |
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| hub_cap | hi CaptTofu | 20:06 |
| vipul | keep it terrible | 20:06 |
| juice | yes kevinconway the beer | 20:06 |
| CaptTofu | hey man! How was Vegas? | 20:06 |
| hub_cap | offline ;) | 20:06 |
| CaptTofu | :) | 20:06 |
| juice | yeah capttofu this is a serious meeting :) | 20:06 |
| vipul | We do need to close on that soon though hub_cap | 20:06 |
| CaptTofu | :) | 20:07 |
| kevinconway | vipul: the beer? | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | so i htink we need to start some ML threads on the difference between clustering and replication | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | and using service_types instead of cluster_types | 20:07 |
| vipul | kevinconway: i know what's on your mind :) | 20:07 |
| hub_cap | and really deciding on if trove is a 1) diy replication mechanism, or 2) a set of patterns you can deploy | 20:07 |
| juice | that is a good way to slice it | 20:07 |
| yogesh | hub_cap: service_types instead of cluster_types? | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | #action hub_cap to start a really long never ending ML thread for clustering and replication | 20:08 |
| kevinconway | can't we just offer the api where people log into the database and set up their own replication? | 20:08 |
| kevinconway | that sounds the easiest | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | yogesh: right, the thought being "multi-master" as a service_type or "master-slave-slave" or whatever | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: lol im pretty sure we offer that today ;) | 20:08 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 20:08 |
| hub_cap | so lets not discuss this for a full hr today | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | but instead send out some ML stuff | 20:09 |
| yogesh | hub_cap: "cluster-type" doesn't it make more specificity and sense... | 20:09 |
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| CaptTofu | multi-master means no more than two masters and N slaves. Avoid like the plague ring replication. | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | anything else notable from the trove side of things? | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | so lets not discuss this for a full hr today | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | but instead send out some ML stuff | 20:09 |
| yogesh | sure | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | hehe | 20:09 |
| denis_makogon | agreed | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | CaptTofu: i fully expect u to reply | 20:09 |
| hub_cap | yogesh: u too | 20:10 |
| kevinconway | CaptTofu: wouldn't that be Bi-Master? | 20:10 |
| amcrn | can someone kickstart it by summarizing the discussion points that happened in HK? | 20:10 |
| amcrn | (on the mailing list of course) | 20:10 |
| CaptTofu | kevinconway: dual-master. | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | yes amcrn i made it a action item for me | 20:10 |
| amcrn | excellente', thanks | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | np | 20:10 |
| yogesh | makes sense | 20:10 |
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| hub_cap | thats gonna cause some contevercy but.... whats new | 20:10 |
| hub_cap | *controversy | 20:11 |
| kevinconway | CaptTofu: exactly, not really multi-master. lets just talk about this for an hour | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: i will kick u | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | ;) | 20:11 |
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| robertmyers | lol | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | the other big controversial item was the guest i think | 20:11 |
| kevinconway | who was it? | 20:11 |
| * CaptTofu stays stoic | 20:11 | |
| yogesh | :-) | 20:11 |
| kevinconway | bah-dum-chs | 20:11 |
| hub_cap | some people said the guest should be as dumb as pushing ssh commands, effectively, to it | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: ill give u that one, it was pretty funny | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | so i think the "guest" world in the openstack ecosystem is also all over the place | 20:12 |
| datsun180b | yeah that wo; sudo rm -rf /n't backfire | 20:12 |
| hub_cap | lol datsun180b | 20:12 |
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| redthrux | isn't the guest one of the differentiating factors for trove? | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | ok so does any of the other people who wer at the summit have stuff to add? | 20:13 |
| redthrux | i.e. the guest does SOMETHING SPECIFIC AND USEFUL | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | redthrux: well... other projects are using guests too | 20:13 |
| juice | mirantis put up their murano agent for discussion and suggested we take a look at that | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | savanna and murano and heat all have agents | 20:13 |
| vipul | not really except that nothing major decision was reached on anything | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | right | 20:13 |
| kevinconway | juice: isn't that a cookie… no wait that's milano | 20:13 |
| juice | I can't recall Clint's proposal other than keeping the agent simple | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | well the testsing stuff went well | 20:13 |
| hub_cap | that was decided upon | 20:14 |
| redthrux | right - I understand that - so what's the argument - we should be using a guest agent? or everyone using the SAME guest agent? | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | that was teh question redthrux | 20:14 |
| vipul | lots of people writing agents.. why not standardize | 20:14 |
| redthrux | gotcha - it sounded like everyone has their own requirements though | 20:14 |
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| kevinconway | redthrux: the guest just needs to be infinitely configurable to specific needs | 20:14 |
| CaptTofu | seems an agent could be extendable and pluggable | 20:14 |
| cp16net | but there is common ground between then so standardize some of it i guesss? | 20:14 |
| juice | the murano agent is universal because it pulls from a repo of commands which can do any task. the agent just sits there and listens for tasks | 20:14 |
| hub_cap | the outcome of testing is that the "reddwarf" job can become gating once we move it into the devstack-gate job, but itll only gate for trove | 20:14 |
| kevinconway | like some kind of language that people can describe logic in | 20:15 |
| amcrn | do any of the other agents have a fully developed upgrade/broadcast story? | 20:15 |
| juice | oops ok I guess we have moved on to tempest testing | 20:15 |
| hub_cap | whereas the tempest tests will be run for all teams, and, nova, for instance, cant break trove | 20:15 |
| redthrux | kevinconway: are you talking about Go again? | 20:15 |
| redthrux | :D | 20:15 |
| vipul | in theory you never need to upgrades if you make it dumb enough :D | 20:15 |
| kevinconway | i think Go is a great implementation of a universal guest agent | 20:15 |
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| kevinconway | you just describe what you want and it compiles it and makes it happen | 20:16 |
| * hub_cap moves on | 20:16 | |
| kevinconway | like magic | 20:16 |
| redthrux | so +1 on making the "bones" pluggable | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | so lets discuss this broken gate | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | #topic broken gate | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "broken gate (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:16 | |
| cp16net | lets do | 20:16 |
| cp16net | there is a devstack review in flight to fix the gate | 20:16 |
| * hub_cap is not happy that its been broken for so long | 20:16 | |
| cp16net | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/55992/ | 20:16 |
| hub_cap | ok. what do we need to do to get this fast tracked? | 20:16 |
| robertmyers | some +2's | 20:16 |
| cp16net | that would fix it overall | 20:17 |
| cp16net | but... | 20:17 |
| vipul | why isn't it affect other teams :s | 20:17 |
| vipul | god my grammer sucks today | 20:17 |
| cp16net | i made a fix that would help us in themean time | 20:17 |
| cp16net | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56273/ | 20:17 |
| juice | and speling | 20:17 |
| cp16net | that review should pass here in a min and it just turns off the vnc proxy service | 20:17 |
| robertmyers | I think we should fix it on our end if possible | 20:17 |
| robertmyers | cp16net: +1 | 20:17 |
| hub_cap | awesome. lets make sure this passes and ill +2approve it | 20:18 |
| cp16net | arg... | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | ok so teh real question | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | why did it take 2 wks to get merged in? | 20:18 |
| cp16net | looks like the second review i made is goofed | 20:18 |
| cp16net | hub_cap: i think its because no body was around | 20:18 |
| hub_cap | ok cp16net u can fix it in a bit, but i think is the right track for now | 20:18 |
| cp16net | it started failing the firday everyone left | 20:18 |
| denis_makogon | cp16net, yeah | 20:18 |
| denis_makogon | my review was first one which failed | 20:19 |
| robertmyers | it has been multiple issues tho | 20:19 |
| cp16net | seems like that is usually the cas tho.. when everyone leaves things get broken | 20:19 |
| robertmyers | jenkins started failing too | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | cp16net: lol, i guess ill buy that since i was in HK.. i just assumed others wouldve tried to push fixes while the 6 of us were at the summit ;) | 20:19 |
| denis_makogon | we tried | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | ok good | 20:19 |
| hub_cap | tahts all i wanted to hear | 20:19 |
| kevinconway | we just pretend we work in minecraft | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | HAH | 20:20 |
| kevinconway | when you guys leave we unload the chunks | 20:20 |
| cp16net | i tried to make reviews that would resolve what i could fix | 20:20 |
| denis_makogon | lol | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | cool. lets make sure cp16net's review gets fixed/merged today | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | good work team! moving on | 20:20 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, agreed | 20:20 |
| cp16net | yeah install works but kick-start is failing currently | 20:20 |
| hub_cap | #topic Roadmap for IceHouse-1 | 20:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roadmap for IceHouse-1 (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:20 | |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: do explain "Documenting mechanism" plz | 20:21 |
| denis_makogon | that is mine | 20:21 |
| denis_makogon | all team should put real milestone for their BPs | 20:21 |
| denis_makogon | to make I1 feature-list a bit clean | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | yes i agree | 20:21 |
| hub_cap | as well as bugs | 20:21 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 20:22 |
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| hub_cap | so far i think me and the mirantis guys are teh only ones who put that in ;) | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | reliably ^ ^ | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | if u dont plan on working on it, make it "trove next" | 20:22 |
| vipul | what is the icehouse 1 date | 20:22 |
| denis_makogon | then we could list all features with help of launchpad | 20:22 |
| cp16net | is that the default? | 20:22 |
| * hub_cap goes to launchpad for dates | 20:22 | |
| denis_makogon | vipul, end of december | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | #link http://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 20:22 |
| kevinconway | wait, did we find out what "Documenting mechanism" was? | 20:22 |
| hub_cap | 2013-12-05 | 20:23 |
| hub_cap | kevinconway: i think its your mouse and fingers | 20:23 |
| vipul | launchpad is the answer kevinconway | 20:23 |
| denis_makogon | kevinconway, with correct milestones we could go to launchpad and then list all features for I1 | 20:23 |
| juice | when is icehouse-3? | 20:23 |
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| juice | roughly before the next summit? | 20:23 |
| vipul | that's like in 3 weeks! | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | juice: that info is in launchpad | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | http://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 20:24 |
| kevinconway | denis_makogon: ok so when i make bugs or BP's i should just let you know so you can set all that up right? | 20:24 |
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| hub_cap | kevinconway: no sir | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | so fwiw, i have to do _all_ this manually as we get close to a milestone | 20:24 |
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| cp16net | that sounds terrible | 20:24 |
| hub_cap | im sure some of u remember me asking "did u do this during this timeperiod" durin the last round | 20:25 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, does we have roadmap for IceHouse release ? | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | and looking thru git history | 20:25 |
| denis_makogon | *do | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | denis_makogon: there is no real roadmap other than what companies pledge to do | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | so i cant really set a roadmap... i can say that id prefer to see X over Y first | 20:25 |
| kevinconway | if only there was some kind of machine that could automate tasks related to managing information.... | 20:25 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, i know, but we could do such thing | 20:25 |
| hub_cap | again this just goes back to waht you originally said. as companies set blueprints, set the milestone they expect them to be done | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | thats the roadmap | 20:26 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, ok | 20:26 |
| hub_cap | i have my roadmap... thats to get testing integration :) | 20:26 |
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| hub_cap | but yes i think this is something that we need to do cuz it kills me | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | literally! | 20:27 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, got you | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | thank you for bringing it up denis_makogon | 20:27 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, thanks | 20:27 |
| hub_cap | what it also means is that we need to kick back blueprints that dont have the info liek this | 20:27 |
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| juice | it would be idea to have some shared goals | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | bugs are slightly different because i dont think that people are necessarily working on bugs if they report them | 20:28 |
| juice | ie. replication, testing (tempest) | 20:28 |
| denis_makogon | juice, yes | 20:28 |
| juice | those being our do-or-die type of features | 20:28 |
| hub_cap | ya juice let me touch base w/ some of the other PTL's to see how they handle this | 20:28 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap: do we assume that the creator of a blueprint is working on it? | 20:28 |
| vipul | +1 | 20:28 |
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| hub_cap | kevinconway: for the most part i woudl assume that | 20:28 |
| juice | then the rest is up to individual teams | 20:28 |
| vipul | like we should have some clustering implemnted in I | 20:28 |
| juice | companies, individuals | 20:28 |
| vipul | or separate the guest agent, etc | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | #action hub_cap to talk to PTL's about what a community roadmap and how they handle it | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | ok so time to move on? we good w this subject based on what we now know? | 20:29 |
| hub_cap | and ill report back w/ more info next wk | 20:29 |
| juice | it would also be beneficial to have some over arching direction so that we all pull in the same direction | 20:29 |
| juice | sort of a release kick off if you will | 20:30 |
| juice | maybe we can do that in a week or two when we sort out the features and goals | 20:30 |
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| denis_makogon | so, i think we could move on to the next topuc | 20:31 |
| denis_makogon | *topic | 20:31 |
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| hub_cap | wow oops | 20:32 |
| redthrux | hub_cap is posting in openstack-trove | 20:32 |
| redthrux | hahahah | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | HAHAHA | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | HAHAHAAHAH | 20:32 |
| hub_cap | #topic Multi-Datastore/Versioning-Support | 20:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multi-Datastore/Versioning-Support (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:32 | |
| hub_cap | ashestakov_: thats you | 20:32 |
| ashestakov_ | hi all | 20:32 |
| * juice goes to read openstack-trove | 20:32 | |
| ashestakov_ | want to discuss few points | 20:32 |
| denis_makogon | juice, come back | 20:32 |
| denis_makogon | ashestakov_, go | 20:32 |
| ashestakov_ | first, datastore_engine should be renamed to datastore_manager | 20:33 |
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| ashestakov_ | engine is confusing | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | i think thats fair | 20:33 |
| juice | thanks denis_makogon | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | engine is usually a mysql thing (thats what i think of at least) | 20:33 |
| hub_cap | so +1 to renaming that | 20:33 |
| denis_makogon | agreed with ashestakov_ | 20:33 |
| juice | engine_manager :) | 20:33 |
| vipul | is this part of the datastore_type api? | 20:33 |
| ashestakov_ | is datastore_manager is ok? | 20:33 |
| juice | wait thats a conductor | 20:33 |
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| denis_makogon | vipul, yes | 20:33 |
| juice | choo choo | 20:33 |
| vipul | what's wrong with 'type'? | 20:34 |
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| hub_cap | ok i thought this was internal code... what exactly are we talking about ashestakov_? ccan u link something? | 20:34 |
| hub_cap | if we change the api again i think ashestakov_ is going to pull his hair out | 20:34 |
| ashestakov_ | its not api, its just option name | 20:35 |
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| ashestakov_ | but it should be renamed in few places | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | ok | 20:35 |
| hub_cap | i think, in general, engine is a bad name if we are > just mysql | 20:36 |
| ashestakov_ | "engine" is reaaly confusing | 20:36 |
| redthrux | vroom | 20:36 |
| vipul | i am confused as to what we are renaming | 20:36 |
| ashestakov_ | lets decide what is better | 20:36 |
| denis_makogon | ashestakov_, Are there only renamings or something else ? | 20:36 |
| kevinconway | maybe we should just push this api change until the Jaundice release. | 20:36 |
| ashestakov_ | amcrn proposed "datastore_manager", i afree with it | 20:36 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47934/ | 20:37 |
| vipul | kevinconway: love the name | 20:37 |
| amcrn | to elaborate on what ashestakov_ is referring to | 20:37 |
| amcrn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47934/9/bin/trove-guestagent | 20:37 |
| amcrn | manager = dbaas.datastore_registry().get(CONF.datastore_engine) | 20:37 |
| juice | datastore_manager | 20:37 |
| juice | done | 20:37 |
| juice | do it | 20:37 |
| denis_makogon | juice, agreed | 20:37 |
| juice | or engine_manager | 20:37 |
| juice | flip a coin | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | haha i was just gonna say "i bet amcrn dislikes engine too" | 20:37 |
| hub_cap | and i see the first comment lol | 20:38 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, lol | 20:38 |
| amcrn | :D | 20:38 |
| vipul | just a config option.. manager is fine | 20:38 |
| hub_cap | yes | 20:38 |
| amcrn | vipul: well, it changes the datamodel as well | 20:38 |
| denis_makogon | ashestakov_, is it all or something else ? | 20:38 |
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| amcrn | aka https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47934/9/trove/db/sqlalchemy/migrate_repo/versions/016_add_datastore_type.py | 20:38 |
| juice | datastore_manager do it | 20:38 |
| ashestakov_ | ok, ill rename it | 20:39 |
| ashestakov_ | next one | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | i think manager makes sense | 20:39 |
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| ashestakov_ | default image_id should be removed from datastore | 20:39 |
| ashestakov_ | and operatos should specify image for each version | 20:39 |
| hub_cap | im ok w/ that too | 20:40 |
| vipul | makes sense.. there should be at least 1 version entry | 20:40 |
| denis_makogon | so, image_id is per version, not per datastore_type ? | 20:40 |
| ashestakov_ | any opposition for it? | 20:41 |
| vipul | you should have an image per version | 20:41 |
| amcrn | correct, see my comment @ #29 @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47934/9/trove/datastore/models.py for the reasoning | 20:41 |
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| denis_makogon | ah, makes sense | 20:42 |
| hub_cap | ++ | 20:42 |
| denis_makogon | i'm ok w/ thati | 20:43 |
| kevinconway | vipul: why would you need a datastore type api if you had an image per version? | 20:43 |
| vipul | because i'm not booting images.. i'm booting a datastore | 20:43 |
| denis_makogon | vipul, ++ | 20:43 |
| kevinconway | i don't see the distinction here | 20:43 |
| ashestakov_ | lets think we decided... | 20:44 |
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| vipul | i'm saing there should be at least one image.. but it's possible that multiple versions really have the same image | 20:44 |
| kevinconway | i thought the whole point of the datastore type api was to have one image that could be molded into the one we wanted | 20:44 |
| hub_cap | i thought that was ashestakov_'s original vision | 20:44 |
| juice | and install the packages on creation? | 20:44 |
| vipul | yep if a deployer chooses to | 20:45 |
| vipul | but the package info needs to come from somewhere.. | 20:45 |
| vipul | and that's the datastore version | 20:45 |
| kevinconway | ultimately the point of this API is so we can return a NotImplmented when the underlying datastore doesn't support users right? | 20:45 |
| grapex | kevinconway: lol | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | did we have a netsplit? | 20:46 |
| hub_cap | tap tap tap is this thing on? | 20:46 |
| vipul | yes | 20:47 |
| ashestakov_ | and one more thing | 20:47 |
| imsplitb1t | hub_cap: we're ignoring you | 20:47 |
| ashestakov_ | i thonk we should implement subcommands in trove-manage | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | imsplitb1t: 1o1 | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | thats lol in "i cant remember my handle properly" | 20:47 |
| imsplitb1t | lol | 20:47 |
| hub_cap | ashestakov_: example? | 20:48 |
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| amcrn | hub_cap: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47934/9/bin/trove-manage, comment on #107 | 20:48 |
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| imsplitbit | better? | 20:48 |
| ashestakov_ | hub_cap: trove-manage db sync, db wipe, db upgrade .... datastore update bla bla bla datastore version_update bla bla bla | 20:48 |
| hub_cap | imsplitbit: yes | 20:49 |
| ashestakov_ | hub_cap: now for datastore/version are very long commands, we can split it for few subcommands | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | well first thing... id guess that our -manage script is old, ugly and out of date... we need to maybe clean it up | 20:49 |
| ashestakov_ | hub_cap: like in nova-manage | 20:49 |
| hub_cap | and i think its fair to have subcommands there | 20:49 |
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| amcrn | wasn't nova-manage nuked from orbit in grizzly? | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | :o | 20:50 |
| amcrn | anyway, that's not here nor there, the open question was whether subcommands or named parameters were more appropriate | 20:50 |
| amcrn | and whether that should be forked into a new bp to avoid blocking this review | 20:50 |
| hub_cap | ok so no matter what #1 answer is, #2 is yes | 20:51 |
| amcrn | agreed, alright | 20:51 |
| denis_makogon | 9 mins | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | im leaning toward subcommands honestly | 20:51 |
| hub_cap | yes lets move on | 20:51 |
| ashestakov_ | i have last point to discuss | 20:52 |
| vipul | some of these things shoudl be moved to the proper 'trove' cli | 20:52 |
| denis_makogon | subcommand are good, i suppose | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | vipul: yes | 20:52 |
| vipul | nova has done this mostly | 20:52 |
| hub_cap | ashestakov_: make it quick | 20:52 |
| ashestakov_ | for my changes need to change trove-integration | 20:52 |
| ashestakov_ | it should initialize db like run_tests | 20:52 |
| ashestakov_ | e.g. add datastores/versions to db | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | sure | 20:53 |
| ashestakov_ | question is how to do this, just add in addition to existing setup? | 20:53 |
| hub_cap | id say lets add it to devstack | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | if its something that will more or less be the "default" setup | 20:54 |
| amcrn | does devstack trove-manage the glance image? i don't think so, right? | 20:54 |
| hub_cap | no but it will | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | i guess for now lets add to -int | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | and when i do the tempest tests refacotring / image creation we can add it there | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | good call amcrn | 20:55 |
| hub_cap | ok moving on? | 20:55 |
| ashestakov_ | ok, ill add changes in trove-int | 20:55 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 20:55 |
| amcrn | si' | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | #topic other service support (cassandra, mongo, redis) | 20:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other service support (cassandra, mongo, redis) (Meeting topic: trove)" | 20:56 | |
| denis_makogon | since we are all waiting for ashestakov_ review | 20:56 |
| hub_cap | i have opinions on this but id like to hear what denis_makogon has to say | 20:56 |
| denis_makogon | we have cassandra, mongo single instance review | 20:56 |
| denis_makogon | also we have update to trove-integration | 20:56 |
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| denis_makogon | we could get merge into trove and test out code with integration | 20:57 |
| denis_makogon | i need to hear what cores think about it | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | so for tests, id liek to see these tested by the new tempest stuff | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | but that doenst exist yet | 20:57 |
| hub_cap | which is a problem | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | lol | 20:58 |
| denis_makogon | yes | 20:58 |
| kevinconway | lets just wait until it does | 20:58 |
| kevinconway | then worry about mongo | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | i dont want us to write more old tests | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | if we can focus on the tempest codebase for new data types | 20:58 |
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| hub_cap | itll make our code cleaner anyway (no more old int-tests) | 20:58 |
| denis_makogon | we reused old test groups for simple instance | 20:58 |
| hub_cap | the problem is that itll tkae 1month i think for all this stuff to get lined up | 20:59 |
| hub_cap | so if we _need_ cassandra support before then we can try to merge it in | 20:59 |
| denis_makogon | hub_cap, even more | 20:59 |
| grapex | hub_cap: Here's another thing- Tempest is for integrating the entire stack. Should we wait for everything to be finished before writing test one for some of these new datastore types? | 20:59 |
| grapex | Then again we'll only need the one image- maybe it won't be that bad if datastore types can get in soon. | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | hi grapex :) meeting over, move to #openstack-trove | 21:00 |
| hub_cap | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: savanna)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 13 21:00:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-11-13-20.02.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-11-13-20.02.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2013/trove.2013-11-13-20.02.log.html | 21:00 |
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| hub_cap | #topic OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings | 21:15 |
| hub_cap | worth a shot lol | 21:15 |
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