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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed-virtual-router | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 12 15:01:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:01 |
| Swami | #topic Time-change | 15:02 |
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| Swami | Just to inform people in the West, because of the time change, our meetings will be held from 8.00a.m to 9.00a.m PST and still the UTC time does not change. | 15:02 |
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| Swami | UTC time for this meeting is still at 15.00 UTC. | 15:03 |
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| Swami | hi carl | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | hi Swami | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #topic DVR L3 Agent design doc | 15:04 |
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| Swami | I am working on the L3 Agent doc and will be posting it as soon as it is complete. | 15:04 |
| Swami | Once it is complete I will post it out for review. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Looking forward to it. | 15:05 |
| Swami | #topic L2 Agent Design doc | 15:05 |
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| Swami | The L2 Agent Design doc is out there for review and for people who have not reviewed please review the doc and provide me your feedback. | 15:06 |
| Swami | Carl: I think Vivek had responded to your queries on the L2 Agent doc. | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | I've seen some replies. I added one more comment yesterday. I'll look at it again. | 15:07 |
| Swami | carl: Yes I will take a look at it and if not addressed, I will address your concerns | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Great, thanks. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | #topic Distributed-DHCP | 15:08 |
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| Swami | Hi folks, I would like to add an additional topic this week, that addresses the Distributed DHCP. | 15:08 |
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| Swami | Going forward for the Juno summit, I would like to take up the discussion of distributing the exisiting DHCP service to the compute nodes so that we can get rid of one other service from the centralized node and distribute. | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | Will this be based on the multi host bp? | 15:10 |
| Swami | carl:Similar to that. | 15:11 |
| xuhanp | Swami, I have a question about this which may sounds stupid :-) What will be different between this DHCP service on compute node VS current DHCP agent by scheduler? | 15:11 |
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| xuhanp | my understand is currently you can also have multiple DHCP agents, right? | 15:11 |
| Swami | xuhanp: Having multiple DHCP agents is different than distributing the DHCP to each and every node. | 15:12 |
| Swami | xuhanp: Distributed DHCP if in place, need not deal with the HA for that service. | 15:12 |
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| xuhanp | so multiple DHCP agent still means only one DHCP is serving a certain VM? | 15:13 |
| Swami | xuhanp: Yes | 15:13 |
| xuhanp | they are just go to different places. I see. | 15:13 |
| Swami | xuhanp: yes | 15:13 |
| xuhanp | But I think they share some common host files, If I remember correctly | 15:13 |
| xuhanp | can another one help when one goes down? | 15:14 |
| Swami | xuhanp: It will be similar to the Distributed virtual router, were we have Enhanced L3 agent on each and every compute node. | 15:14 |
| Swami | xuhanp: We need to investigate if another agent can service if an agent in a specific compute node goes down. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Also note that DNS is served from the DHCP server. | 15:15 |
| Swami | carl: Do you see any issue there with the DNS | 15:15 |
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| xuhanp | carl_baldwin, I think I saw one code review to make two host file sync on two dhcp agent so DNS can be served from another agent when one is down. | 15:16 |
| xuhanp | not sure if that can address the HA problem. | 15:16 |
| shivharis | I still have a question on distributed dhcp, what are the asvantages? | 15:17 |
| shivharis | advantages? | 15:17 |
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| shivharis | dhcp traffic is not much compared to data traffic | 15:17 |
| Swami | shivharis: Yes I agree with you that dhcp traffic is not much traffic when compared to data traffic. | 15:17 |
| shivharis | dvr made sense to me, i am not convinced on dhcp | 15:18 |
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| Swami | There are lot of solutions currently worked on the HA for the current Network Node. But there is no HA solution for the DHCP. | 15:18 |
| Swami | We do have L3-HA. | 15:19 |
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| Swami | When we distribute the services the need for HA will be reduced for that particular service. | 15:19 |
| Swami | The idea is just have centralized service ( may be snat, vpn) in a single node and distribute all other services. | 15:20 |
| shivharis | distrubuted and more connotations, having a 2nd reduntant dhcp may be sufficient? | 15:20 |
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| xuhanp | Swami, so we will only need L3 HA for external network translation when DVR is enabled? | 15:20 |
| Swami | the multi-host dhcp was a topic that was discussed even before the DVR. | 15:20 |
| shivharis | swami: we can discuss this later, dont want to change the main theme of the meeting.. lets move on. | 15:21 |
| Swami | shivharis: I appreciate your feedback, I am just brain storming ideas for the next juno release and will make sense with the Distributed model. | 15:22 |
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| Swami | Is safchain in here | 15:22 |
| Swami | Will do a write up on this and will post it out for review. If you have any thoughts we can discuss in the next meeting. | 15:23 |
| Swami | #topic DVR+HA | 15:23 |
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| Swami | Is amuller in here | 15:24 |
| safchain | Hi Swami sorry to be late, currently in another meeting | 15:24 |
| safchain | not sure to be able to speak a lot | 15:24 |
| Swami | carl: Do you know if the L3-VRRP HA got FFE for the Icehouse release. | 15:24 |
| Swami | safchain: thanks | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't think it did. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | In the meeting on Monday, Mark said that only bps that were stuck in the gate got an exception. | 15:25 |
| Swami | I did see some +1 on it, but I don't know the status | 15:25 |
| Swami | Yes I did hear that but did not see any list out of the meeting. | 15:26 |
| Swami | safchain: Did you get an exception for the L3-VRRP HA | 15:26 |
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| safchain | Swami, I don't think, no new status on it | 15:27 |
| Swami | safchain: carl: thanks on the information. | 15:27 |
| Swami | safchain and amuller sent an email regarding having a session at the Juno summit to talk about the DVR+HA | 15:28 |
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| Swami | with respect to the HA solution, we might need to make sure that the L3-VRRP code can be re-used to provide the HA solution for the centralized DVR SNAT. | 15:29 |
| Swami | I will try to chat with safchain and amuller during this week and probably give an update to the team in the next meeting. | 15:31 |
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| Swami | I don't have any other topic for this week. | 15:31 |
| Swami | #topic General discussions | 15:31 |
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| Swami | Do anyone have other questions or topics to discuss. | 15:32 |
| xuhanp | Swami, I have a question about the L3 DVR on compute node | 15:32 |
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| xuhanp | if you have a minute | 15:32 |
| Swami | xuhanp: Yes go ahead. | 15:32 |
| xuhanp | why do we need to create a namespace for floating IP? | 15:32 |
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| Swami | Previously in the non distributed model, everything was handled in the router namespace. | 15:33 |
| Swami | In this case, we do have one "floatingip" namespace per compute node, where all the floating ip association will happen. This will be shared by all the tenants in the compute node. | 15:34 |
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| xuhanp | so I am still confused why we cannot have the floating IP association happen in the qr namespace of compute node | 15:35 |
| Swami | xuhanp: If need more information on this we can chat offline or send you a mail with the information. | 15:36 |
| xuhanp | Sure. That sounds great. Thanks a lot | 15:36 |
| Swami | xuhanp: can you send me an email with this request and I will reply to you. I don't think I have your email id. | 15:37 |
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| xuhanp | I can surely do that. will do! | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | xuhanp: The problem is that if the qr namespace is attached directly to ext-net then it will consume an IP address per router/compute node. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | xuhanp: Note that each qr namespace now consumes an ip address to use as its primary ip address. That is before adding floating ips. | 15:38 |
| Swami | carl: thanks for the clarification, yes the IP consumption is a major driving fator. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | When you distribute the router, you can't use the same ip for each DVR instance. You'd need a new ip for each one. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Happy to help. | 15:39 |
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| Swami | If there are no further questions or topic to discuss, then I will end this meeting. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining this meeting. | 15:40 |
| Swami | See you all next week. | 15:40 |
| xuhanp | thanks Swami and carl_baldwin for the clarification. | 15:40 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 12 15:40:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-12-15.01.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-12-15.01.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-03-12-15.01.log.html | 15:40 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2'ers! | 16:00 |
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| irenab | hi | 16:00 |
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| HenryG | hi | 16:00 |
| matrohon | hi | 16:00 |
| rkukura | mastery is on PTO, so I'll chair today | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | s/mastery/mestery/ | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Hi | 16:03 |
| rkukura | looks like we've got quorum | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 12 16:03:29 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_March_12.2C_2014 | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Item Review | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | No recorded action items - did I miss any? | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | I'm sure everyone's aware we are past feature freeze for icehouse and now just finding/fixing bugs for RC-1 | 16:06 |
| rkukura | #topic Final mechanism driver status for icehouse | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: when is deadline for RC1? | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | markmcclain: Are you around for a definitive answer on that? | 16:07 |
| rkukura | My understanding is that RC1 timing is driven by the set of targeted bugs | 16:08 |
| matrohon | where can we find a list of FFE accepted for neutron? | 16:08 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Bps in https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 that aren't in Implemented state should have FFEs | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | OK - I will keep monitoring. I have a bug to submit - wanted to make sure that I hit within deadline | 16:10 |
| matrohon | because we didn't have any answer for the FFE request we asked on the ML for HA VRRP | 16:10 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: File the bug ASAP and target icehouse-rc1 | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: will do - thanks | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: I suggest asking markmclain about specific FFEs | 16:12 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : ok thanks | 16:12 |
| rkukura | For bug fixes, getting code into review this week is a good goal | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | #topic Other BPs for icehouse | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | The one open FFE for ML2 I'm aware of is marun's migration script: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76533/ | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | This is critical to allow deprecation of the old monolithic openvswitch and linuxbridge plugins. | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | Please, if you can, test it and review it. | 16:15 |
| rkukura | I don't think the partial specs BP got an FFE | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Anything else on BPs or FFEs? | 16:17 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs for icehouse | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | I expect to complete the final part of the port binding details bug today | 16:18 |
| rkukura | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1276395 | 16:18 |
| shivharis | if possible please add ml2 tag to the bugs, for easy searching | 16:18 |
| rkukura | shivharis: +1 | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | The initial part of the bind_port() in transactions fix is in review | 16:19 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79511/ | 16:20 |
| rkukura | This removes the validate_port_binding() and unbind() port calls from the MD API. | 16:21 |
| rkukura | make that unbind_port() | 16:21 |
| rkukura | I realized that, now that we don't need to call unbind_port() in delete port, finishing up the port binding details bug fix is trivial, so I'm handling that in this patch. | 16:22 |
| rkukura | The patch to move bind_port() outside the transaction should be ready today, or tomorrow at the latest. | 16:22 |
| matrohon | rkukura : so it won't be possible to operate live-migration, with a host on ovs and a host on lb, which both use the same generic vif_driver? if you remove validate_port_binding? | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: How is that? | 16:23 |
| matrohon | rkukura : as i understand your commit message, the port can't be rebound to another MD withour validate_port_binding? | 16:24 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Change binding:host_id will still force rebinding | 16:24 |
| matrohon | rkukura : ok | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | matrohon: Lets make sure this is OK. Eventually we may want something like validate_port_binding if nova can actually respond to updates being pushed to it. But right now, spontaneously rebinding does not seem to serve any useful purpose, and could cause problems if the binding changes but nova is still using the vif_type and vif_details from the old binding. | 16:26 |
| rkukura | banix: Your error handling for update_*_postcommit() ops is in review | 16:27 |
| banix | rkukura: OK, thanks. | 16:27 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69792/ | 16:28 |
| matrohon | rkukura : i'm fine with that, and this use case might be handle by an entire BP, which include nova part | 16:28 |
| rkukura | matrohon: +1 | 16:28 |
| irenab | matrohon: I guess for live migration, libvirt may require same VM XML | 16:28 |
| rkukura | The error handling patch still needs ML2 and core reviewers. | 16:29 |
| matrohon | irenab : not sure, but this is a question which might be explored during the implementation of a new BP | 16:29 |
| banix | Regarding update_*_postcommit patch, markmcclain and others had made a few suggestions a few days back and I made the adjustments. | 16:29 |
| rkukura | banix: Do you feel this is ready for use, or do you think we should consider deferring it to juno? | 16:30 |
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| banix | rkukura, I thin it is ready for use but it is not crucial for the operation of ML2 so it is your call. | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Right now, I think failures in the update_*_postcommit ops are logged and ignored, and this patch tries to undo the updates instead. | 16:30 |
| banix | Mark marked it as targeted for RC1 | 16:31 |
| rkukura | banix: I haven't given this a close review yet, but have a question | 16:32 |
| rkukura | Since all registered MDs will have seen an update_*_precommit prior and some may have seen an update_*_postcommit, do they all see the undo as a new update with its own update_*_precommit and update_*_postcommit ops? | 16:34 |
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| rkukura | If we are going to include this fix in RC1, I'd like to make sure MD authors understand how the failures are handled and make sure it won't cause any issues. | 16:36 |
| banix | no, the undo is done by the plugin code. I see what you say. | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | I'll take a closer look today, and we need some ML2 MD authors to review as well. | 16:37 |
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| banix | ok; yes makes sense to be cautious this late in the game | 16:38 |
| rkukura | I listed 4 other bug targeted at RC1 in the agenda | 16:38 |
| rkukura | nati_ueno's VIF security fix involves ML2 as well as other plugins | 16:39 |
| rkukura | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1112912 | 16:39 |
| rkukura | This is really important to get into icehouse so that security groups work again! | 16:40 |
| rkukura | Please review if you can. | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | There is a bug on binding failures during tempest tests | 16:41 |
| rkukura | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1244255 | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | Its unassigned, so does anyone want to look into this one? | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | It may just be timing issues with agent_db info not being available, but is probably worth investigation | 16:42 |
| rkukura | Adding agent_db model migration for ML2 is in review at https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1260224 | 16:43 |
| rkukura | And a L2-pop live migration fix is in review at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61767/, and will be rebased soon. | 16:44 |
| matrohon | actually I just rebased it | 16:44 |
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| matrohon | but i lost my +2 :( | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Are there any other ML2-related bugs for icehouse? | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | I know Sukhdev has one to file and fix. | 16:45 |
| matrohon | I have this one | 16:45 |
| matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1282956 | 16:45 |
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| matrohon | but to me it's more a nova issue, which doesn't send port_update after evacuating a host | 16:46 |
| rkukura | matrohon: Do you think a neutron-side fix is needed? | 16:47 |
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| matrohon | rkukura : to me, i think that a patch in nova should resolv it | 16:49 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:49 |
| rkukura | anything else on bugs? | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | #topic Distributed Virtual Router | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | Any update on this today? | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | #topic Juno design summit session proposals | 16:50 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I reviewed DVR spec - looks good | 16:51 |
| rkukura | Time to start thinking about design summit sessions, and submitting proposals at http://summit.openstack.org/ | 16:51 |
| rkukura | I'm planning to enter one for a general update/planning/catch-all session for ML2 | 16:52 |
| rkukura | We can use that to address unfinished items from icehouse that don't have their own sessions | 16:52 |
| rkukura | But I'd suggest everyone submit specific sessions for anything they feel is important to do in juno | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I am thinking ML2 type driver for late-binding support | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: that is the segment ID assignemnt is deferred until the VM is launched - as opposed to assigning it upfront at time of network creation | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Do we have anything like that already? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: sounds interesting - Is this for the host<->ToR switch segment? | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes - but, could be for over all multi-segmented network | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | We only have 5 minutes left, so lets plan to kick around some session ideas next at next weeks meeting | 16:55 |
| rkukura | Please don't hesitate to submit session ideas in the mean time. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: e.g. two VMs boot at different times at two different clustors, get ID assignement as they come up | 16:55 |
| rkukura | Hopefully bugs and FFEs will be winding down next week and we can reserve most of the meeting to kick around ideas | 16:56 |
| rkukura | Anything else on summit sessions right now? | 16:56 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: what is the deadline for submission? | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: do we have to have prototype working for the submissions? | 16:57 |
| banix | this friday i think | 16:57 |
| rkukura | Didn't realize it was so soon | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | me too - its kinda tight... | 16:58 |
| banix | the date may be wrong. please ignore. | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | banix: :-) | 16:58 |
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| HenryG | I don't think a deadline has been specified yet | 16:59 |
| rkukura | If so, lets get them submitted, and we can discuss next Wednesday and maybe make some suggestions on what to combine, etc. | 16:59 |
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| rkukura | We are out of time | 16:59 |
| rkukura | Anything else? | 16:59 |
| banix | It starts on Tuesday morning and ends on Friday evening. | 16:59 |
| rkukura | Please keep up the reviews! | 16:59 |
| banix | so i think it is this friday | 16:59 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 12 16:59:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| banix | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/029319.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-12-16.03.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-12-16.03.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-03-12-16.03.log.html | 17:00 |
| banix | info on the summit session: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/029319.html | 17:00 |
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| kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 12 17:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| kiall | Hey Guys - Who's around today? | 17:00 |
| eankutse | here | 17:00 |
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| tsimmons | o/ | 17:00 |
| kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate agenda | 17:00 |
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| vinod | here | 17:01 |
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| kiall | Cool - I believe mugsie is on his way | 17:01 |
| kiall | #topic Review action items from last week | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| richm | present | 17:02 |
| kiall | all to file any remaining known bugs and target anything important to i3 - I believe we managed this, getting a couple of last minute bugs ironed out.. So - Calling it done | 17:02 |
| rjrjr__ | here | 17:02 |
| kiall | Next was: betsy to write up BP for table per record-type change | 17:02 |
| kiall | Did you find the time betsy? :) | 17:02 |
| eankutse | betsy running late | 17:02 |
| tsimmons | She's not here right now…I think she did that though... | 17:02 |
| kiall | tsimmons: ok - cool, I didn't notice the BP. Do we have a link handy? | 17:03 |
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| tsimmons | looking now... | 17:03 |
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| tsimmons | Well maybe not... | 17:04 |
| kiall | A quick look at the wiki+blueprints lists don't show it. No worries, we'll come back next week (or at the end if someone finds it!) | 17:04 |
| tsimmons | Alright. | 17:04 |
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| kiall | Next up, from the previous meet, was MiniDNS - kiall to refresh the spec, split blueprints, and get that POC code together. | 17:04 |
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| kiall | I'm going to have to apologize again - this still isn't done. | 17:05 |
| kiall | Suffice to say HP has been keeping myself / mugsie / ekarlso busier than usual. | 17:05 |
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| kiall | So - I'll have to look at this again over the weekend, there's literally no chance I'll be able to this week :( | 17:06 |
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| kiall | And - That was the last un-closed action. Moving on before anyone has time to beat me ;) | 17:07 |
| kiall | #topic Icehouse 3 Release | 17:07 |
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| eankutse | kiall: are we still going to be able to sync up tho? | 17:07 |
| eankutse | before the weekend on the POC | 17:07 |
| eankutse | ? | 17:07 |
| eankutse | the Central-API stub ? | 17:07 |
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| kiall | eankutse: yes - we can grab an hour somewhere - let me get back to you at the end and we can find a spot that works for both of us! | 17:08 |
| eankutse | cool:-) | 17:08 |
| kiall | Re i3: A final couple of fixes landed earlier today, has anyone got any final blockers before I `git push` the i3 tag? :) | 17:08 |
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| kiall | After this, we'll have 1+ RC's before the final Icehouse release. | 17:09 |
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| vinod | i need to investigate one | 17:09 |
| mugsie | there was one issue with postgres and PowerDNS | 17:09 |
| vinod | it appears that we can set the id while doing a post | 17:09 |
| mugsie | not sure if we should count it as a blocker | 17:10 |
| vinod | is this desirable? | 17:10 |
| kiall | vinod: Oh - Humm. That's not desirable at all. Only with V2? | 17:10 |
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| vinod | i tested it out with v2 | 17:10 |
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| vinod | i did not yet try it out with v1 | 17:10 |
| kiall | vinod: Okay, I'll hold off the tag until tomorrow - Hopefully we can get a fix before then? | 17:11 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1289444 <- effectivly blocks anyone from using PowerDNS and postgres | 17:11 |
| mugsie | should we prioritise that as well? | 17:11 |
| vinod | i will work on it right after this meeting | 17:11 |
| tsimmons | I tried just now (on v1), got a 400 bad request, but I just changed one of the UUID characters, so it may have been invalid. | 17:11 |
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| kiall | mugsie: I think we can fix that after i3 - We're not testing the PowerDNS migrations etc against Postgres automatically | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | ok, cool | 17:12 |
| kiall | tsimmons: so long as it was changed to something in [a-f0-9], it would still be valid | 17:12 |
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| kiall | vinod: is there a Bug # for the issue you found? | 17:12 |
| tsimmons | yeah I just changed an "a" to a "b" | 17:12 |
| vinod | not yet - i wanted to make sure it was an issue - before filing it | 17:12 |
| kiall | Makes sense :) | 17:13 |
| vinod | i.e. not just an issue in my environment | 17:13 |
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| kiall | It's def an issue! Setting the ID is asking for issues | 17:13 |
| kiall | Allowing the user to set the ID that is | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | there is currently 4 other bugs targeted for i3 | 17:13 |
| mugsie | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/icehouse-3 | 17:13 |
| mugsie | we going to say these are all pushed to RC1? | 17:14 |
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| kiall | 3 now ;) | 17:14 |
| kiall | prev links aren't included at all right now (same as with nova's etc APIs). Pushed to Juno as it's too late for more features! | 17:14 |
| vinod | How about bugs #1281837 and #1288190? | 17:15 |
| kiall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1281837 should technically be pushed too - But it would be an API change (a change it what gets returned). I'd LOVE to get that out before we release v2 into the wild | 17:15 |
| kiall | a change in what gets returned* | 17:15 |
| mugsie | we can push it to RC1 though | 17:15 |
| kiall | mugsie: yea - exactly, even if it's technically a feature addition ;) | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | 1288190 - has this been confirmed by anyone? | 17:16 |
| kiall | and 1288190 is def a bug, but it's a really rarely used feature. So - I don't think it blocks rc3 | 17:16 |
| kiall | mugsie: I've eyeballed the code, and it's a bug | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | rc3? or i3? | 17:17 |
| kiall | sorry - i3 | 17:17 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/api-version-2 | 17:19 |
| kiall | Okay - Any others we think need to be addressed in i3? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | is ^ in a place to mark as complete? | 17:19 |
| kiall | Yea - We have all the required pieces in now, some planned new additions are the only things left which don't break the API conpat | 17:20 |
| kiall | compat* | 17:20 |
| mugsie | bugs wise, only the one vinod found | 17:20 |
| kiall | Okay - So - Just 1 blocking i3 then | 17:20 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:20 |
| kiall | Moving on then | 17:21 |
| kiall | #topic Server Pools (Status, Getting Started) (from tsimmons) | 17:21 |
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| tsimmons | Basically I wanted to get a feeling for where Server Pools are right now, what the next steps are, and how we can help. | 17:21 |
| mugsie | I need to complete the bp (even make them basic high level info) | 17:22 |
| mugsie | I am planing on having some time this evening | 17:22 |
| mugsie | then whoever is interested, we can split up the work | 17:22 |
| kiall | I expect we can get started on actually writing code for it + minidns pretty soon, once i3 is out and the BP's have been refreshed there should be components we can start splitting out | 17:23 |
| mugsie | i know Rackspace have some bandwidth coming up...whats the time scales for you guys? | 17:23 |
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| tsimmons | Depending on how much work is available, we should be able to get some resources on it over the next few weeks. Personally I'm ready to go right now, I think some of the other devs will have some time in the next couple of weeks. | 17:24 |
| kiall | tsimmons: cool! I know at HP we're pretty tight on available time right now between a couple of internal things | 17:26 |
| kiall | Once those clear up, we should have MUCH more time to actually write code again | 17:26 |
| jmcbride | We are particularly interested in pools+miniDNS as it gets us to the robustified Bind deploy. | 17:26 |
| eankutse | I am available for miniDNS now | 17:27 |
| kiall | jmcbride: Yea - I guessed as much :) I also think they both go hand in hand in terms of dev work | 17:27 |
| tsimmons | It's definitely important work that we'd love to be a part of :) | 17:27 |
| kiall | I was going to leave this comment for next week's week - but - since we're kinda on it now anyway... | 17:27 |
| jmcbride | so getting mugsie's vision in a BP will be the seed we look forward to in knocking it out. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:27 |
| kiall | I'd like to Juno all about getting BIND9 working 1000x better, Pools, MiniDNS, and virtually nothing else | 17:28 |
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| kiall | Those are all big chunks of interrelated work that will go a long way towards fixing up lots of our issues! | 17:28 |
| eankutse | yep | 17:29 |
| tsimmons | We're all for that. | 17:29 |
| betsy | agreed | 17:29 |
| richm | I'd like to get the IPA backend working by Juno as well | 17:29 |
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| richm | but I don't think that will affect any of bind9/pools/minidns | 17:29 |
| kiall | richm: Depending on how that works, it'll most likely benefit from the same stuff :) | 17:29 |
| richm | yes, most likely | 17:29 |
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| kiall | Okay - Well, mugsie, why don't you try and get the pools BP's updated before Monday? (which is about the soonest I can have my MiniDNS ones ready) | 17:31 |
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| mugsie | yup | 17:31 |
| mugsie | action me on that ;) | 17:31 |
| kiall | That leaves 2 days for people to read + comment, and we discussed them at next weeks meet? | 17:31 |
| kiall | #action mugsie to refresh Pools BP's before Monday | 17:31 |
| eankutse | good goals | 17:31 |
| kiall | #action kiall to refresh MiniDNS BP's/Specs before Monday | 17:32 |
| jmcbride | mugsie: please don't sacrifice your evenings and any beer drinking time ;) | 17:32 |
| mugsie | jmcbride: theres not much chance of that ;) | 17:32 |
| kiall | jmcbride: So, don't do it during working hours then? ;) | 17:32 |
| betsy | ;) | 17:32 |
| kiall | #action add agenda item for Pool/MDNS BP/spec discussions | 17:33 |
| kiall | Okay .. | 17:33 |
| kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:33 |
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| kiall | eankutse: checking my calendar now.. 2 mins | 17:34 |
| eankutse | k | 17:34 |
| rjrjr__ | still want to talk to you about fixed IP PTRs at some point. | 17:34 |
| kiall | anyone have anything else while I'm doing that? | 17:34 |
| eankutse | kiall: you can email me | 17:34 |
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| betsy | I have my updated on the Records table | 17:34 |
| kiall | Gah - 9 new emails since the beginning of this meet. Never ending :'( | 17:35 |
| betsy | I did make a placeholder blueprint to separate the records table into multiple tables | 17:35 |
| betsy | Still trying to meet up with our DBA to ask him questions about it | 17:35 |
| betsy | That's all I've got right now | 17:35 |
| kiall | eankutse: Sure - I'll email you in the next few mins then | 17:36 |
| kiall | betsy: cool - I didn't see anything that sounded like it, what did you call it? | 17:37 |
| eankutse | k | 17:37 |
| betsy | I think the short name was record-table-change | 17:37 |
| betsy | Should have been something like records-table-redesign | 17:37 |
| kiall | aha - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/records-table-change | 17:38 |
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| betsy | yep. Mostly just a place holder at this time until I meet up with the DBA to discuss in more detail | 17:38 |
| kiall | Cool - Hopefully we can figure out if there's a terrible flaw in the plan before next week.. But I expect there won't be ;) | 17:38 |
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| betsy | Then I'll write up a spec and we can discuss | 17:39 |
| kiall | Cool | 17:39 |
| tsimmons | Just FYI, it looks like you can set an ID in v1. | 17:39 |
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| tsimmons | and a created_at and updated_at too. | 17:39 |
| kiall | tsimmons: Humm - OK. That's a bug, one that was hopefully introduced not too long ago! | 17:40 |
| vinod | and created_at and updated_at fields too depending on the database | 17:40 |
| vinod | filing a bug now | 17:40 |
| betsy | Yeah. I just verified that bug | 17:40 |
| kiall | Could you guys include that in the bug? We'll have to figure out exactly why that's happening. | 17:40 |
| betsy | … in v1 | 17:40 |
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| vinod | will do | 17:41 |
| kiall | Thanks | 17:41 |
| betsy | So it's a bug in v1 and v2 | 17:41 |
| betsy | Do they need separate bugs or just one bug? | 17:41 |
| kiall | 1 should do | 17:41 |
| betsy | I'm assuming one | 17:41 |
| kiall | betsy: without looking, I would hazard a guess the bug was introduced as part of the V2 additions | 17:42 |
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| kiall | But.. We'll find out soon enough | 17:42 |
| betsy | I don't think I ever thought to test that before | 17:42 |
| betsy | But makes sense it was introduced in v2 | 17:43 |
| kiall | betsy: I'm pretty confident HP has tested for that in the past during security reviews etc. | 17:43 |
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| betsy | Kiall: Oh, that's right. Y'all are actually running it in production | 17:43 |
| kiall | betsy: right - Hence I'll be digging into this the moment we're done ;) | 17:44 |
| kiall | Okay - So anyone have any other topics to discuss? | 17:44 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:44 |
| richm | question about backends - is create_tsigkey/update_tsigkey supposed to do anything other than create/update a TSIG RR? | 17:44 |
| tsimmons | Not from me. | 17:44 |
| kiall | richm: the TSIG key support today is intended to create the tsig key config (not record) in the backend, and allow that key to AXFR all zones | 17:45 |
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| kiall | It's primarily there to allow Akamai to AXFR from our PowerDNS instances without leaving it open for anyone to AXFR (or constantly updating IP allow lists) | 17:46 |
| kiall | It should be extended to cover off other use cases for TSIG keys, e.g. a user should be able to create a key that allows AXFR of just their zones etc | 17:47 |
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| rjrjr__ | i have code written for https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Designate/Blueprints/ReverseFixedIP. i'm testing it out. still would like to discuss the implementation. | 17:47 |
| kiall | Cool - is it up for review? | 17:48 |
| rjrjr__ | we looked at it last week. i'd still like to review the BP and make any changes we want. | 17:49 |
| rjrjr__ | we were suppose to meet on Friday, but you were busy. | 17:49 |
| rjrjr__ | would it be better for me to submit the code before the BP is approved? | 17:49 |
| kiall | Apologies :( Busy would be an understatement.. | 17:50 |
| tsimmons | rjrjr__: You could submit it as a WIP | 17:50 |
| kiall | Sure - the code can often clear up any questions that might come from the BP anyway :) | 17:50 |
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| rjrjr__ | okay. is there something i need to put in the comment section to link it to the BP? | 17:51 |
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| kiall | Was the BP updated recently BTW? Looks different to what I remember looking at last night! | 17:52 |
| rjrjr__ | yes. it is more reflective of the implementation. i went with a call to the Neutron list ports. | 17:53 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: in the commit message, include "blueprint fixed-ip-ptrs" and it should link things together | 17:53 |
| kiall | (on it's own line at the end) | 17:53 |
| tsimmons | rjrjr__: And prefix the commit with "WIP" if you'd like to submit it as a work in progress. | 17:53 |
| rjrjr__ | originally, i was going to use the Nova API, but i think there is an ORM bug in it that prevents me from getting the VM instance for an IP address. since the Neutron "plumbing" was in place, i decided to use the list ports call. | 17:54 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: I think that's probably the best way anyway, as Nova's network APIs will (eventually) be removed.. | 17:54 |
| rjrjr__ | my concern is not having an ID to key off of. i'm using the region and address itself. | 17:55 |
| rjrjr__ | the code will make this clearer. :) | 17:55 |
| kiall | rjrjr__: yea, agreed. I'm just unsure how we handle overlapping networks in that case :( | 17:55 |
| kiall | Anyway rjrjr__ I know I'll have time to eyeball the change tonight if it's up .. Hopefully others will too | 17:56 |
| kiall | 3 mins before the Trove folks arrive with pitchforks, any final topics? | 17:56 |
| rjrjr__ | well, my testing is promising, so in a couple of hours i'll submit the code for review. | 17:56 |
| vinod | Opened bug 1291518 to track the id issue. | 17:56 |
| vinod | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1291518 | 17:56 |
| betsy | rjrjr__:awesome | 17:57 |
| kiall | cool :) | 17:57 |
| kiall | Okay - Thanks all | 17:57 |
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| kiall | vinod: I'll ping you in a few re that bug - looking into it now. | 17:58 |
| kiall | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 12 17:58:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-12-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-12-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-03-12-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks kiall | 17:58 |
| SlickNik | Trove meeting up next. | 17:58 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 12 17:59:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 17:59 |
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| robertmyers | o/ | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:00 |
| imsplitbit | o/ | 18:00 |
| mat-lowery | o/ | 18:00 |
| kevinconway | o/ | 18:00 |
| grapex | o/ | 18:00 |
| amcrn | o/ | 18:00 |
| k-pom | \o | 18:00 |
| cweid | o/ | 18:00 |
| abramley | o/ | 18:00 |
| cp16net | o\ | 18:00 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Last meetings logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-05-18.02.html | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-05-18.02.html | 18:00 |
| glucas | o_ | 18:01 |
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| amytron | o| | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #topic Action Items | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Just one from last meeting, and it's complete. | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | 1.File a BP for adding datastore type/version to backup model | 18:01 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, done | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Yup, thanks denis_makogon | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove Guest Agent Upgrades bp follow up | 18:02 |
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| denis_makogon | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/validation-on-restore-by-the-backup-strategy | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | esp, around to take it away? | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/upgrade-guestagent | 18:03 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, i guess it's approved | 18:03 |
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| esp | o/ | 18:04 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, i'd like to raise one question in terms of this topic | 18:04 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:04 |
| amcrn | a wild esp appeared! | 18:04 |
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| denis_makogon | esp, nice to see you | 18:04 |
| juice | he's working on it | 18:04 |
| ViswaV | o/ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: it's still in discussion. | 18:04 |
| esp | amcrn: sorry, asleep at the keyboard again | 18:04 |
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| esp | hello denis_makogon :) | 18:05 |
| grapex | So at the meetup we had a discussion on how to handle rpc calls if the guest agent was too old- I'd like to submit we move that to a seperate blueprint to follow this one | 18:05 |
| grapex | It would let this one focus on making a good reference implementation of the update call | 18:05 |
| esp | grapex: sounds good to me | 18:05 |
| amcrn | fair enough, sounds reasonable | 18:06 |
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| denis_makogon | agreed | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good to me. | 18:06 |
| grapex | One thing I'd like to bring up is there was talk in this blueprint of an audit trail in the database | 18:06 |
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| esp | shoot | 18:06 |
| grapex | My concern is I think there are multiple routines in Trove which could benefit from this and it might be wise to make that into its own blueprint / feature | 18:06 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, agreed | 18:07 |
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| grapex | so it could be re-used elsewhere. For example this could help with resize operations | 18:07 |
| kevinconway | +1 for audit tables | 18:07 |
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| esp | grapex: yep I hear ya | 18:07 |
| kevinconway | there are some sqlalchemy samples that add it to your models | 18:07 |
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| grapex | and who knows how useful it might be with replication in the future | 18:07 |
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| esp | kevinconway: cool, I'll ping ya on this | 18:08 |
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| amcrn | grapex: are we convinced that we can land a generic audit trail solution in a reasonable timeframe? as long as it's prioritized and doesn't land months and months after guest-upgrades does, i'm with you. | 18:08 |
| grapex | amcrn: I think we could. If we made it too simple I'm not sure if there'd be major backwards compatability concerns if we wanted to change it later | 18:08 |
| esp | grapex: could we come back and implement the audit trail after the first cut of the upgrades? or is gonna too messy? | 18:08 |
| denis_makogon | is it possible to do this tasks in parallel ? | 18:09 |
| amcrn | grapex: alright, sounds good | 18:09 |
| grapex | Maybe "audit" log is too much- to me this is just a way in the database to give a better idea of what status some action went into or what happened to a long running job | 18:09 |
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| kevinconway | well, there's technically nothing stopping a deployer from adding triggers to existing tables that record record state on INSERT/UPDATE | 18:10 |
| grapex | And not to get too far down this rabbit hole, but this sort of ties into an ancient problem with Trove's API in that sometimes an API call which is async might fail but there aren't good methods for showing this failure | 18:10 |
| esp | one thing I might thrown into the conversation is that backups kind of already keeps a record of backup history. | 18:10 |
| grapex | kevinconway: We could, but I think the fact so much work was done for an audit trail on this upgrade feature shows a hunger exists for a more general solution | 18:10 |
| grapex | esp: I agree | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | We spoke of something like this when we talked about "action-events" in the past. | 18:11 |
| kevinconway | #link http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/examples.html#versioning-objects | 18:11 |
| esp | which I'm not saying is right or wrong but it lives there now :) | 18:11 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Exactly, it's unfortunate that was never finished | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | grapex: this sounds strikingly similar to the tasks that hub_cap did | 18:12 |
| grapex | Part of my own view on this is I'm not sure why an upgrade routine should have this feature more than several other existing routines in Trove. It adds a lot of complexity to add it for just this | 18:12 |
| grapex | cp16net: Yeah, SlickNik was referencing hub_cap's work | 18:12 |
| amcrn | so the summary is to amend the blueprint to have a single row vs. a row per update, and to in parallel start fleshing out the details of action-events/historyaudit | 18:12 |
| esp | yep, would be nice to talk to hup_cap, maybe he ran into some issues with this | 18:12 |
| grapex | Maybe we should all agree to accepting a simple v1 implementation. If we don't change the API there won't be too much danger with it. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | I'm all for building something for auditing that's extensible, and backward compatible. Just need to be careful to not try and make it encompass _everything_. I fear down that path lies timeline and feature bloat. | 18:13 |
| grapex | Then agent upgrades could simply use it | 18:13 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Agreed | 18:13 |
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| kevinconway | SlickNik: auditing shouldn't extend much past the models | 18:13 |
| grapex | So I think as a first pass let's just try naming the "audit trail's" table something else. | 18:13 |
| esp | grapex: yeah I'm good with that | 18:14 |
| grapex | One other note on schema is IIRC we're adding a single new table called "upgrades" | 18:14 |
| esp | and try to make it generic | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | sound good | 18:14 |
| denis_makogon | one question | 18:15 |
| denis_makogon | how do we plan to extract agents code from trove ? | 18:15 |
| grapex | Maybe we could just put the version of the guest agent into an existing table, such as heartbeats? | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: As an example (perhaps not a very good one, though), something mentioned earlier was resize. We don't have any of that historical data in the models so it would have to be a trail on the action (API call). | 18:15 |
| grapex | denis_makogon: I think hub_cap wants us to wait for Juno to do that | 18:15 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: good example | 18:15 |
| esp | grapex: yep, I think that would work ok. I was looking at that last night | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | I see it as a good idea, I don't think we need to hash out the design during this meeting though :) | 18:16 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: yeah, i understand the concern. Those are simply things we have to create models for. Create a ResizeAction record and keep a table that tracks the state of that record over time | 18:16 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, agreed | 18:16 |
| grapex | SlickNik: Ok, as long as those concerns are noted I don't think we should hash out everything either. | 18:16 |
| kevinconway | the "versioning" of the record should happen behind the scenes | 18:17 |
| grapex | kevinconway: I guess that's the issue though is having an explosion of models. | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | how do we plan to version the guest API ? | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | esp: You good with updating/modifying the bp with these concerns? Can you action it, please? | 18:17 |
| esp | grapex: I have to look at agent_heartbeats a little more but I was hoping not to loose the state of a particular upgrade | 18:17 |
| grapex | kevinconway: I think I see what you're saying... | 18:17 |
| grapex | kevinconway esp SlickNik: Let's start a thread about an "audit" trail or whatever on the mailing list | 18:17 |
| kevinconway | as an analyst i should be able to see the state of a record at any given point in time | 18:18 |
| kevinconway | grapex: ok | 18:18 |
| grapex | And we *will* actually try to talk about it this time. :) | 18:18 |
| esp | grapex and amcrn also suggested moving guest_agent_version to the instance table | 18:18 |
| grapex | esp: I think I like that idea better. | 18:18 |
| grapex | amcrn: ^ | 18:18 |
| esp | SlickNik: yep, give me a sec | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | esp: np, thanks! | 18:18 |
| esp | #action esp do update trove-guest-upgrades wiki with schema changes | 18:19 |
| amcrn | grapex: i think it makes sense to have it in the instance table; using the heartbeat table as the source of truth for a guestagent version seems overreaching | 18:19 |
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| amcrn | but i haven't spent many mental cycles putting it through the paces | 18:19 |
| esp | grapex: you meant that only status goes in agent_heart_beats right? | 18:19 |
| esp | version can live in the instance table | 18:20 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, agreed instance table looks like the most appropriate place | 18:20 |
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| esp | and 'upgrades' --> 'events' or 'history' or 'audit trail' | 18:20 |
| grapex | esp: Yeah I think version should live in the instance table, I like that more | 18:21 |
| esp | grapex: cool | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | esp grapex amcrn +1 to "version" in the instance table | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | Okay so we've got some clear next actions here. | 18:21 |
| amcrn | so going into the guestagent packaging, do we have a gut feel on what the default packaging strategy should be? | 18:22 |
| grapex | One last question, then I'll shut up I swear | 18:22 |
| grapex | The MGMT API shows very specific info on updating the guest agent, such as where the swift file is | 18:22 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, looks like Swift could be the best option for any clouds | 18:22 |
| grapex | I think long term it would be good to simplify this somehow, so that Trove would simply know where to look for the upgrade | 18:22 |
| amcrn | denis_makogon: wasn't referring to the endpoint, was referring to the packaging itself; i.e. deb vs. tar vs. <whatever> | 18:23 |
| grapex | So Trove could for instance query Swift's metadata and see what version it said it had, and see if that was more recent and if so make the RPC call to update the agent | 18:23 |
| esp | demorris: yep swift seems like it would fit for a lot of folks | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, ah, i see, then DEB looks like production variant | 18:23 |
| grapex | That way operators wouldn't have to figure it out on their own when they made the mgmt call- they'd just say "update it!" | 18:23 |
| esp | grapex: I like this idea but was hoping to get to it in a follow up blue print | 18:23 |
| grapex | esp: Ok, so long as it's a follow up | 18:24 |
| grapex | I'm good. Thanks esp! | 18:24 |
| * notmyname is available for questions on this topic | 18:24 | |
| notmyname | https://swiftstack.com/blog/2013/12/20/upgrade-openstack-swift-no-downtime/ may be interesting to you too | 18:24 |
| esp | grapex: auto updates would simplify things a lot | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on to the next topic in the interest of time. | 18:24 |
| esp | thx notmyname! | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | #topic [openstack-dev] [Trove] MySQL 5.6 disk-image-builder element | 18:25 |
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| amcrn | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg19036.html | 18:25 |
| amcrn | now that multiple datastores and versions are supported, we're coming to a point in which we need to think about a holistic strategy | 18:26 |
| amcrn | on how to handle variances in versions; whether it be handled in the diskimage, the guestagent, or a combination thereof | 18:26 |
| denis_makogon | i guess there's one question related to agent - do we plan to refactor mysql manager and make it able to skip installing packages | 18:26 |
| amcrn | some in-flight examples include MongoDB 2.4.9 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77461/) | 18:26 |
| amcrn | and MySQL 5.6 (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79413/) | 18:26 |
| juice | denis_makogon: is your question part of the current topic or the previous one? | 18:27 |
| denis_makogon | current | 18:27 |
| kevinconway | amcrn: haven't we already solved this in the agent with the packages portion of a datastore? | 18:27 |
| amcrn | kevinconway: no, because the later versions of datastores don't have prebuilt packages | 18:27 |
| denis_makogon | as said at the ML there's no official 5.6 mysql package | 18:27 |
| grapex | Well could we generalize how the guest agent pulls down the things it installs? | 18:27 |
| grapex | Or have it call something else that already exists and is general enough to do that? | 18:28 |
| amcrn | well, to quickly summarize: if you take a look at that MySQL 5.6 review, it becomes clear that the installation for bleeding edge versions is fairly involved | 18:28 |
| grapex | Right now we're having the guest agent call a package system like apt-get. If we let it call some other smart thing as a strategy it could get us there. | 18:28 |
| kevinconway | is there something wrong with rolling a package for custom code and using that? | 18:28 |
| amcrn | so, if one provider wants it on cloud-init, but another wants it in the diskimage-builder | 18:28 |
| amcrn | you've effectively duplicated code in two different places | 18:28 |
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| esp | I think we are gonna use pip | 18:29 |
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| esp | I was looking at pip wheels but not sure it's mature | 18:29 |
| grapex | amcrn: I think there's a divide here though between operators who will want to customize Trove to run images that they've totally perfected. Since we allow datastores to be associated with images we already have that ability. | 18:29 |
| amcrn | grapex: correct | 18:29 |
| amcrn | what's unclear right now, is how we're going to accept patches | 18:29 |
| grapex | However Trove should also be able to build a single image thats vanilla and spin up a variety of stuff so its easier to dev on and for the less initiated to play with | 18:29 |
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| grapex | So I wonder if maybe mySQL 5.6 is just too bleeding edge | 18:30 |
| kevinconway | amcrn: does every datastore need to go in kickstart? | 18:30 |
| amcrn | kevinconway: no | 18:30 |
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| amcrn | grapex: i'm not sure the gating factor of whether we should support a version should be predicated on whether the install is complicated | 18:30 |
| grapex | Maybe it's ok to say that if people want to deploy a datastore version like 5.6 they can, but they need to build their own images or packages rather than have it happen in trove-integration. | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | grapex: I'm wondering the same thing. | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | Do we only accept patches to the elements once datastores have proper package versions in appropriate upstream repos? | 18:31 |
| amcrn | that's the underlying question here | 18:31 |
| kevinconway | is the question about patches to trove or redstack:kick-start? | 18:31 |
| ViswaV | trove-integration provides the framework/ability to automatically test things in a easy way. | 18:31 |
| grapex | amcrn: I think we should support what we can | 18:31 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, its totally ok, so i would suggest to look at heat-jeos | 18:31 |
| grapex | but in terms of plugging into trove-integration CI, there should be a limit on how complex it is | 18:31 |
| amcrn | let's forget redstack kickstart | 18:31 |
| kevinconway | amcrn: so what's the question then? | 18:32 |
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| imsplitbit | so I have a question | 18:32 |
| kevinconway | i'm confused about the problem | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: patches to trove image elements, I think - which currently live in trove-integration | 18:32 |
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| imsplitbit | is it too difficult to build a mysql .deb package or is it that we don't want to build one since oracle isn't making one for us? | 18:32 |
| imsplitbit | it's certainly not bleeding edge | 18:33 |
| imsplitbit | I just want to be sure I understand why we're not including that | 18:33 |
| amcrn | so, let me re-explain the problem statement: we have 3 different ways to support a datastore install, the question is: what is the accepted set of guidelines to determine whether that gets merged publicly? | 18:33 |
| amcrn | is a diskimage only install patch-set acceptable? | 18:34 |
| amcrn | if yes, how are we going to handle versioning | 18:34 |
| grapex | amcrn: Good summary | 18:34 |
| amcrn | will we have dozens and dozens of /elements/ubuntu-mysql-X.X/ folders as time continues | 18:34 |
| kevinconway | amcrn: so is the question what gets merged into Trove or the dev environment setup in redstack? | 18:34 |
| amcrn | kevinconway: nothing to do with redstack, it's about what can get merged in here https://github.com/openstack/trove-integration/tree/master/scripts/files/elements | 18:35 |
| grapex | kevinconway: And another question is should what goes into Trove differ from what can work in redstack? Because if it won't work in the later we won't be able to test it at which point who knows if it works | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | So I think we should accept upstream, only datastores that we can test upstream. | 18:35 |
| grapex | So in CI, how many images will we need to make for Trove? | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, a lot | 18:36 |
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| amcrn | so are we saying that unless it's redstack kick-startable, it shouldn't be merged into https://github.com/openstack/trove-integration/tree/master/scripts/files/elements ? | 18:36 |
| denis_makogon | grapex, one per each datastore and N for each version | 18:36 |
| grapex | Heh | 18:36 |
| kevinconway | is there a facility in redstack for pointing at an image and using it instead of kick-starting one? | 18:36 |
| kevinconway | so those with needs beyond the normal kick-start can prepare an image any way and attach it to the datastore | 18:37 |
| juice | kevinconway: there is nothing truly special about the image | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: I think it's stronger than that. Unless it's redstack startable, and has int-tests actually running testing the image / datastore. | 18:37 |
| juice | it's just that there are assumptions made by trove about what is included in the image | 18:37 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: i'm fine with that. so now what's the criteria for when a manager should be forked vs. shared? | 18:37 |
| amcrn | ex: you could modify the mongodb manager to deal with setParameter because that's in 2.4.9, but not in 2.0.X, and still share that manager across both versions | 18:38 |
| juice | amcrn: are we talking about images or managers | 18:38 |
| amcrn | it's all interconnected | 18:38 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, i guess, if datastore has public package that can be pulled by apt-get/yum - in this case manager could be shared | 18:39 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, if not - forked | 18:39 |
| juice | amcrn: true but as you pointed out a manager could handle a wide range of images (point releases of the underlying datastore) | 18:39 |
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| amcrn | juice: right, but if you're clever enough you could create a god mysql manager class that handles 5.1, 5.5, and 5.6 if you were insane | 18:39 |
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| amcrn | so for example: should the manager always be force forked on a major version? etc. | 18:39 |
| juice | amcrn: I am :) I think having the manager restrict the version is a reasonable approach | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | amcrn: That's an interesting point. I'd anticipate you'd have logic in your manager to deal with nuances like those. And when it starts to get unwieldy, you'd probably have to fork. | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | amcrn: Haven't thought this through fully, so all seat of the pants here. | 18:40 |
| grapex | What's "force forked?" | 18:40 |
| juice | amcrn: if a manager was proven to work with a given point release, it would be added to the acceptable range | 18:41 |
| kevinconway | git fork --force? | 18:41 |
| amcrn | grapex: turn of phrase to mean force them to create a new manager | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: Knowing git, that's probably already a thing that exists :P | 18:41 |
| grapex | amcrn: In general I think different major versions will necessitate new managers, but let's not make that a rule. | 18:41 |
| denis_makogon | amcrn, at least each new manager for new version could be inherited for base manager | 18:42 |
| grapex | So here's a question- much of this image builder stuff just seems to be bash scripts that run to initialize an image | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | example: mysql-5.5 and 5.6 | 18:42 |
| kevinconway | denis_makogon: i don't like that idea | 18:42 |
| kevinconway | object oriented programming means we need to program with more objects | 18:42 |
| grapex | So we have two routes- the bash scripts initialize the image while it's being built, so their results are baked in , or the guest agent installs a package later | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | Okay, 2 more minutes on this, and we need to move on in the interest of time :) | 18:42 |
| grapex | what if we enabled the guest agent to run these scripts to help with dev efforts? | 18:42 |
| grapex | Then it becomes a choice you make later, whether to bake the image for a specific type or noit | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | But there's clearly some more thinking that needs to be done around this. | 18:43 |
| grapex | *not | 18:43 |
| amcrn | grapex: i'd need to see more specifics on how you'd accomplish that, but that sounds promising | 18:43 |
| grapex | amcrn: It seems like we've made bash our deployment technology of choice. :p | 18:44 |
| amcrn | anyway, please review the existing patch-sets plus mailing list thread. because i can easily see without governance, having multiple versions tacked onto a single manager, then that becomes unwieldy, making it brittle to change, etc. | 18:44 |
| grapex | Which is ok for some use cases I guess | 18:44 |
| grapex | amcrn: Ok. I'll try to review this soon | 18:44 |
| amcrn | it's a bit difficult to convey the concerns via this medium | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | amcrn: Agreed. Let's discuss this outside this meeting, perhaps offline. | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | so, moving on | 18:45 |
| denis_makogon | ? | 18:45 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: as in we all disconnect and type into empty terminals? | 18:45 |
| grapex | kevinconway: Thats sounds like a metaphor for some kind of philosophical journey into the self. | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik set up something to continue "supported datastore versions" discussion. | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:47 | |
| denis_makogon | wow | 18:47 |
| kevinconway | i have a topic | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | another topic | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, Point in time recovery [denis_makogon] | 18:47 |
| kevinconway | if you were part of the key signing party then you need to actually go sign all the keys | 18:47 |
| grapex | kevinconway: LOL! | 18:47 |
| kevinconway | i'm looking at you EVERYONE | 18:47 |
| grapex | I was just there to commit identity theft. | 18:48 |
| amcrn | kevinconway: i only looked at your id to steal your identity | 18:48 |
| grapex | amcrn: Lol! Beat you to the joke. :) | 18:48 |
| denis_makogon | guys, two topics were skipped | 18:48 |
| * amcrn shakes his fist @ grapex | 18:48 | |
| amcrn | ;) | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Sorry I didn't refresh the page since last night. | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, ok | 18:49 |
| SlickNik | #topic Point in time recovery | 18:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Point in time recovery (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:49 | |
| denis_makogon | its mine | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | Trove is able to perform instance restoration (whole new instance, from scratch) from previously stored backup in remote storage (OpenStack Swift, Amazon AWS S3, etc). From administration/regular user perspective Trove should be able to perform point in time recovery. Basically it’s almost the same as restoring new instance, but the difference between restore (in terms of Trove) and recovery is huge. | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | Restore gives an ability to spin-up new instance from backup (as mentioned earlier), but the Recovery gives an ability to restore already running instance from backup. For the beginning Trove would be able to recover/restore running instance from full backup. | 18:49 |
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| denis_makogon | i've sent the ML about that | 18:49 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/PointInTimeRecovery | 18:49 |
| kevinconway | so i was confused. you seem to be combining two ideas denis_makogon | 18:50 |
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| denis_makogon | so the main idea is to be able to restore you instance from given backup at any time | 18:50 |
| kevinconway | one is point-in-time recover and the other is recovering into a live instance | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: +1 | 18:51 |
| denis_makogon | googling said that restoring instance from the backup (that was take at some point in time) at any time is called point in time recovery | 18:51 |
| kevinconway | yes but google runs a cloud service. they are competitors! | 18:51 |
| kevinconway | you cannot trust them | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I don't think people have had time to review this since it was just added this morning. | 18:51 |
| SnowDust | kevinconway : what what what | 18:52 |
| amcrn | +1 SlickNik | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | I just want to re-iterate that we should add items to discuss at the Wednesday Meeting on or before Monday that week. | 18:53 |
| grapex | SlickNik: +1 | 18:53 |
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| cweid | SlickNik: +1 | 18:53 |
| denis_makogon | ok | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | That way folks have some time to read the related bps. | 18:53 |
| denis_makogon | but the ML with link to the BP and wiki page was sent like 2 weeks or less ago | 18:54 |
| SnowDust | denis_makogon: i support the idea of restoring the same running instance, restoring to new instances is what we have right now | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I think the next item was added a bit late, too. Let's get to it next meeting, as we won't be able to give it the full discussion time otherwise. | 18:54 |
| denis_makogon | i see | 18:54 |
| denis_makogon | then lets skip them all | 18:54 |
| amcrn | denis_makogon: right, but you updated the content significantly since the monday discussion, and then added it to the meeting on tuesday night. we'll make sure to give it a look-see this week hopefully, appreciate the updates. | 18:55 |
| denis_makogon | can we jump to the open discussion | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:55 | |
| denis_makogon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1291516 | 18:55 |
| denis_makogon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1291516 | 18:55 |
| kevinconway | so yeah key signing party | 18:55 |
| kevinconway | sign my keys | 18:55 |
| cp16net | what will be allowed to go into the icehouse now? just just bugs? | 18:55 |
| grapex | kevinconway: This is about that federal investigation isn't it? | 18:56 |
| denis_makogon | i think broken tests are more significant problem | 18:56 |
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| cweid | i like pi. | 18:56 |
| juice | kevinconway: do you see my signature on your key | 18:56 |
| esp | kevinconway: lol | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: I've been signing on the key slacking :) (or was it the other way around?) | 18:56 |
| juice | kevinconway: you may have to refresh your key from the keyserver | 18:56 |
| SlickNik | cp16net: Only bugs unless you ask for a Feature Freeze exception for your bp. | 18:57 |
| kevinconway | juice: i see yours, but there were quite a few of us there | 18:57 |
| kevinconway | hub_cap hasn't even signed yet | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: that bug is a dupe | 18:57 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: ok | 18:57 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, its new | 18:57 |
| grapex | Pretty awesome their sandbox can detect when Python code is trying to execute commands | 18:57 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: I recently submitted a fix for the issue. | 18:57 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, gate failing again | 18:57 |
| juice | kevinconway: I am getting the feeling that most folks are unclear about the process | 18:57 |
| cp16net | i think hub_cap told me i might be able to get the config params in the db with a ffe | 18:57 |
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| grapex | cp16net: ffe? | 18:58 |
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| denis_makogon | SlickNik, take a look at date and submission date | 18:58 |
| kevinconway | juice: i'll send out a bash script | 18:58 |
| amytron | feature freeze exception? | 18:58 |
| cp16net | but he gave me a deadline of tuesday and i missed it by a day | 18:58 |
| cp16net | :-/ | 18:58 |
| grapex | Ah | 18:58 |
| kevinconway | you just enter your password and it will sign my key for you | 18:58 |
| cp16net | yes | 18:58 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Where are you seeing it fail? | 18:58 |
| kevinconway | don't read the source though | 18:58 |
| grapex | kevinconway: Ok. It's "1234567890" | 18:58 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, i added links at bug description | 18:58 |
| cp16net | i'll ping him and see what the dealio is | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: You might have to rebase your patch to make sure the fix is in. | 18:58 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, == Agenda for Mar. 12 == | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | * Trove Guest Agent Upgrades bp follow up | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/trove/+spec/upgrade-guestagent | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | * "[openstack-dev] [Trove] MySQL 5.6 disk-image-builder element" [http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg19036.html] | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ** Discuss how to strategically handle multiple versions of a datastore in terms of diskimage-builder elements and/or guestagent managers. | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ** https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77461/ (MongoDB 2.4.9) | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ** https://review.openstack.org/#/c/79413/ (MySQL 5.6) | 18:59 |
| grapex | Thanks SlickNik! | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ** https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72804/ (trove-integration changes to allow building different version of a datastore by setting ENV vars appropriately before kick-starting) | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | * Point in time recovery [denis_makogon] | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ** https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/PointInTimeRecovery | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | * Data volume snapshot [denis_makogon] | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ** https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/volume-data-snapshot-design | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | oh, sorry | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Let's take this offline. | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | the patch is already up-to-date | 18:59 |
| cp16net | wow | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | ok | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | in #openstack-trove | 18:59 |
| denis_makogon | done | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | Thanks , that's all folks! | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| cp16net | har har har | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 12 18:59:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-12-17.59.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-12-17.59.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-03-12-17.59.log.html | 19:00 |
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