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| sgordon_ | ok | 14:03 |
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| sgordon_ | #startmeeting nfv | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 14:03:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 14:03 |
| sgordon_ | #topic roll call | 14:03 |
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| sgordon_ | who is around | 14:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:03 |
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| sgordon_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| russellb | hi | 14:03 |
| Imendel | hi | 14:03 |
| * sgordon_ waves to Imendel | 14:03 | |
| cloudon1 | hi | 14:03 |
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| sgordon_ | hi cloudon1 | 14:03 |
| zuqiang | hi | 14:03 |
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| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:03 |
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| sgordon_ | #topic review actions | 14:04 |
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| sgordon_ | ok, so i havent had much luck on identifying heat or glance participants as yet | 14:04 |
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| sgordon_ | this may be something we want to revisit with specific proposals as we discuss them | 14:04 |
| sgordon_ | for example the OVF item in the list currently, and the heat sr-iov use case Imendel was planning to present | 14:05 |
| sgordon_ | speaking of which :) | 14:05 |
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| sgordon_ | Imendel, did you have any luck defining this? | 14:05 |
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| Imendel | i check it and while defining it seems ts supported | 14:05 |
| Imendel | if i got it right the port type for ariov | 14:06 |
| sgordon_ | oh ok | 14:06 |
| Imendel | sriov is in | 14:06 |
| sgordon_ | cool :) | 14:06 |
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| sgordon_ | so creation of a vm with sriov ports attached works from heat? | 14:06 |
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| sgordon_ | Imendel, ^? | 14:08 |
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| sgordon_ | ok we move on i guess | 14:09 |
| sgordon_ | #info Imendel checked while defining VM using heat and appears to support SR-IOV port type if it is selected. | 14:10 |
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| sgordon_ | ACTION: sgordon to clear up project touch points on wiki page (sgordon, 16:06:28) | 14:10 |
| sgordon_ | so i did a *tiny* bit of wiki gardening | 14:10 |
| sgordon_ | still more to do | 14:10 |
| russellb | i like the term, wiki gardening :) | 14:10 |
| sgordon_ | mainly updating the upcoming meeting dates/times | 14:10 |
| sgordon_ | and what landed in juno | 14:10 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:10 |
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| sgordon_ | would like to discuss today picking some top items for kilo | 14:10 |
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| sgordon_ | obvious ones still at the top of the list are vlan trunking | 14:11 |
| sgordon_ | and unaddressed interfaces | 14:11 |
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| sgordon_ | but i think we need to pick out some other candidates behind those and be sure to discuss with the relevant projects | 14:11 |
| cloudon1 | +1 for VLAN; also v interested in Luke Gorrie's SnabbSwitch accel data plane | 14:11 |
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| sgordon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Teams/NFV#Development_Efforts | 14:12 |
| russellb | finishing up some ones in progress would be good priorities | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | russellb, right | 14:12 |
| russellb | good ROI | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | so in the case of vlan trunking and the unaddressed interfaces i think design proposals exist to revisit | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | as well as code iirc | 14:12 |
| sgordon_ | and obviously there is in progress numa work | 14:12 |
| Imendel2 | where can i see the reasoning for the vlan one? at this forum terms... | 14:12 |
| russellb | couple in nova come to mind (large pages, cpu pinning), both had specs approved before | 14:12 |
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| sgordon_ | Imendel2, per i think ijw's updates to the description in the table there is some confusion here | 14:13 |
| cloudon1 | russellb: +1 to both of those | 14:13 |
| sgordon_ | as there are a couple of different requests on the line | 14:13 |
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| sgordon_ | but my understanding is that the desire is to trunk VLANs into VMs over a tenant network when using Neutron/ML2 OVS | 14:13 |
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| sgordon_ | currently this is not possible because when the OVS VLAN tags are removed so are all others | 14:14 |
| * sgordon_ hopes he got that all right :) | 14:14 | |
| Imendel2 | ok. why its needed though...? | 14:14 |
| Imendel2 | asking as per our two weeks ago chat | 14:16 |
| TapioT | Hi we need it since we want to terminate a large number of L2 networks in a VNF | 14:16 |
| cloudon1 | Imendel: thinking just of NFV, one case is session border control & detecting different customers with different policies to apply based on what VLAN they are using | 14:16 |
| Imendel2 | how and why we habe the need | 14:16 |
| sgordon_ | right | 14:16 |
| sgordon_ | i believe ijw has a similar use case to what cloudon1 is describing | 14:17 |
| cloudon1 | In general, edge functions may often want to differentiate based on VLAN | 14:17 |
| Imendel2 | so we have the same net but using inside vlans within a tenant net to describe users? | 14:18 |
| Imendel2 | on the same tenant net? | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | yes | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | keep in mind users of the VNF not necessarily == users/tenants of the openstack install | 14:18 |
| sgordon_ | it's not a 1:1 mapping | 14:18 |
| Imendel2 | right. feels like an "old" apo arch moved to os... or i am missing something here | 14:19 |
| Imendel2 | ? | 14:19 |
| Imendel2 | do we agree that for this discussions tenant net = internal app traffic? | 14:21 |
| Imendel2 | not to the end users? sbc end users for example? | 14:21 |
| sgordon_ | cloudon1, TapioT interested in your thoughts here | 14:21 |
| cloudon1 | Imendel2: the provider is implementing network functions from the cloud - but consumers of those function may well not be (often won't) in the cloud | 14:22 |
| sgordon_ | after all i work for an openstack vendor but this should be user driven | 14:22 |
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| sgordon_ | #info Interesting discussion about VLAN trunking to VM use cases ensued while discussing kilo priorities. | 14:23 |
| Imendel2 | if not the right time to discuss this level of details we can take it offline.... | 14:23 |
| cloudon1 | Imendel2: will try to send something to ML explaining use case in more detail | 14:23 |
| Imendel2 | tnx | 14:23 |
| TapioT | Looks good to me | 14:24 |
| sgordon_ | thanks cloudon1 that would be great - seems like you have a good handle on it which matches my understanding | 14:24 |
| sgordon_ | but good to see it matching someone else lol :) | 14:25 |
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| sgordon_ | #action cloudon1 to document VLAN trunking to VM use case for M/L post | 14:25 |
| Imendel2 | :) | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | #topic juno status | 14:25 |
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| sgordon_ | i dont really have a juno status update | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | implementation for numa pinning to the node landed | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | sriov landed | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | both with feature freeze exceptions | 14:25 |
| sgordon_ | other numa and topology details to be continued in kilo (particularly memory and cpu pinning aspects) | 14:26 |
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| sgordon_ | Imendel2, what did you do your sriov heat testing against? trunk? | 14:26 |
| sgordon_ | key now is kicking up any bugs :) | 14:27 |
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| Imendel2 | dont recall... will come back on this one | 14:27 |
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| sgordon_ | Imendel2, ok np | 14:29 |
| sgordon_ | #info testing, testing, testing | 14:29 |
| sgordon_ | release candidates should be getting cut...real soon now | 14:29 |
| sgordon_ | i think | 14:29 |
| russellb | yep | 14:30 |
| russellb | over the next couple weeks | 14:30 |
| sgordon_ | so keep an eye out for those | 14:30 |
| sgordon_ | the numa and sriov work in particular as i mentioned had FFEs so was only finalized in what will ultimately be RC-1 | 14:30 |
| sgordon_ | #info expect SR-IOV and NUMA to be in RC-1 packages, available from trunk now for testing | 14:31 |
| sgordon_ | #info kilo planning | 14:31 |
| sgordon_ | we discussed this a little already | 14:31 |
| sgordon_ | but need to start curating the list of things that people are still working on for kilo | 14:31 |
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| sgordon_ | thierry put out a draft schedule email | 14:31 |
| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/046793.html | 14:31 |
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| sgordon_ | that email and ensuing thread has tentative kilo dates in it | 14:32 |
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| sgordon_ | the varios projects are also planning their design sessions via etherpads | 14:32 |
| sgordon_ | they are linked from here: | 14:32 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 14:32 |
| sgordon_ | #action ALL please review relevant project design summit plans (Nova, Neutron, Heat, Glance, etc.) | 14:33 |
| sgordon_ | #info if you have items you wish to discuss at design summit bring them to the team meetings for each team to socialize and add to the etherpad | 14:33 |
| sgordon_ | we can of course also discuss here :) | 14:33 |
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| sgordon_ | one of the tangential but important items on the nova pad is the future of the sheduler | 14:34 |
| sgordon_ | *scheduler | 14:34 |
| bauzas | right | 14:34 |
| sgordon_ | this impacted the numa work in a big way | 14:34 |
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| sgordon_ | and a lot of other things that are on the list on the nfv wiki page as well | 14:34 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 14:34 |
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| Imendel2 | its a big one yes | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | sgordon_: days 2 and 3 will be having a 40-min session style | 14:35 |
| TapioT | Are you talking about the solver scheduler? Or the scheduler API? | 14:35 |
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| bauzas | sgordon_: so we don't know if we'll have one or more slots for discussing the split there | 14:35 |
| sgordon_ | TapioT, how to put interfaces on the scheduler to be more pluggable and potentially split it out | 14:36 |
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| sgordon_ | but also some of the issues with the existing implementation | 14:36 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: day 4 will be a meetup style, with open talks, so I open some discussions will be raised there too about the split | 14:36 |
| sgordon_ | particularly the way resources are currently tracked | 14:36 |
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| sgordon_ | TapioT, part of the problem for the solver scheduler has been there is no nice place for it to plug on to | 14:36 |
| bauzas | TapioT: Solver Scheduler is currently on-hold until we figure out how to split properly | 14:36 |
| sgordon_ | via a stable api | 14:36 |
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| sgordon_ | did anyone have other items they want to highlight they have added to these pads? | 14:37 |
| sgordon_ | i am just scanning the neutron one | 14:38 |
| cloudon1 | Does that effectively mean any BPs that want to enhance scheduler fn are on-hold till that's resolved? | 14:38 |
| bauzas | cloudon1: not exactly | 14:38 |
| bauzas | cloudon1: that's on a case-by-case basis | 14:38 |
| cloudon1 | presumably though if they proceed now they are at risk of having to reimplement? | 14:39 |
| bauzas | cloudon1: for example, we're still accepting new filters | 14:39 |
| sgordon_ | there are some proposals for continuing to work on sriov that might be of interest t the group | 14:39 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo_sriov_pci_passthrough | 14:39 |
| bauzas | cloudon1: what could be delayed would be when needing new interfaces in between the scheduler and other Nova bits | 14:40 |
| Imendel2 | there is the tosca and heat one. need to check if bp exist. but was discussed in mid term | 14:40 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: so, just to make sure, we won't ask for a cross-project session ? | 14:41 |
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| sgordon_ | bauzas, im open to asking | 14:41 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: because we exactly have the same concern with Gantt | 14:41 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, i am getting a lot of developer feedback that openstack devs still dont know what nfv means and why they should care | 14:41 |
| sgordon_ | Imendel2 touched on a lot of this in an email recently but we need a way to illustrate | 14:41 |
| sgordon_ | as we've discussed before problem is design sessions have typically expected a very specific problem space or proposal to discuss | 14:42 |
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| sgordon_ | there is no harm in suggesting one though | 14:42 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: I'm just thinking we should maybe ask for some slots on the first day for projects or programs having multiple client projects as dependency | 14:43 |
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| Imendel2 | +1 | 14:43 |
| bauzas | well, at least asking is free | 14:43 |
| sgordon_ | right | 14:43 |
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| sgordon_ | until someone hooks it up to a metering system anyway and then who knows | 14:44 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 14:44 |
| sgordon_ | need to frame it right | 14:45 |
| sgordon_ | in Imendel2's email there were these questions: | 14:45 |
| sgordon_ | * Why (it) is special ? | 14:45 |
| sgordon_ | * Why we need it now? | 14:45 |
| sgordon_ | * Who will use it and why it can’t be achieve otherwise? | 14:45 |
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| sgordon_ | i think it's important to ask and answer these both of those deploying NFV solutions and of the development community | 14:46 |
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| bauzas | sgordon_: Imendel2: email's link ? | 14:46 |
| sgordon_ | e.g. Why do CSPs/NEPs/etc. care about NFV? Why should OpenStack care about NFV? | 14:46 |
| sgordon_ | grabbing it | 14:47 |
| keshava | Here are openstack requirement from NFV side from my perspective | 14:47 |
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| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044614.html | 14:47 |
| keshava | 1.Will openstack allows Service-VM to insert its data (like routing table) in the Compute node ? 2.Can Diffirent Service-VM can be chained, meaning the Flow derived from service-VM1 should act as input to Service-VM2 flows . 3. Can openstack allow Serivice to insert inside the Service-VM, if so where is the standard Service related API | 14:47 |
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| sgordon_ | keshava, so that seems more specifically related to items on the neutron session planning page right? | 14:47 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: thanks | 14:48 |
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| keshava | yes | 14:48 |
| sgordon_ | as in they would be well posed under the service insertion and servicevm items on the etherpad here: | 14:48 |
| sgordon_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 14:48 |
| sgordon_ | please add them to ensure it's included in the discussion | 14:48 |
| keshava | but this is requirement is for NFV functionality | 14:48 |
| keshava | implementation is from neutron side. | 14:49 |
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| sgordon_ | sure, but i dont think it answers the more general question being posed in some of the development discussions | 14:49 |
| sgordon_ | which is why does openstack care and vice versa | 14:49 |
| sgordon_ | that is what we need to more clearly illustrate | 14:49 |
| keshava | but service-insertion and flows chaining across service-VM framework can be from NFV side ? | 14:50 |
| bauzas | keshava: NFV is a cross-project effort | 14:50 |
| Imendel2 | i think its two levels. the magnitude of the use case | 14:50 |
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| keshava | who owns 'Service Framework' at controller side ? and Flows chaining as compute node ? | 14:50 |
| sgordon_ | the intent here is to organize our efforts between many people working on NFV across the ecosystem | 14:50 |
| bauzas | keshava: some changes can be done on Nova, others on Neutron, and once a Scheduler project would be there (aka. "Gantt"), some holistic placement decisions could be made there | 14:50 |
| Imendel2 | and then tne needs. which imho shall be described in general terms and with the trio questions | 14:50 |
| sgordon_ | the questions you are asking are very specific to how it will be implemented versus a user story for example | 14:51 |
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| Imendel2 | right. those are for the use case "why" | 14:51 |
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| Imendel2 | for each we describe | 14:51 |
| keshava | scheduler, SRIOV, Kernal pass-though are smaller part of NFV requirement | 14:51 |
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| bauzas | keshava: I don't understand exactly your need, could you maybe rephrase it ? | 14:52 |
| Imendel2 | for each use case i suggest to describe in general terms and not nfv specific | 14:52 |
| sgordon_ | keshava, perhaps you could document a use case for us to illustrate better? | 14:53 |
| sgordon_ | then it can be compared against the work being done in ServiceVM/Tacker and we can determine what is or isn't underway? | 14:53 |
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| keshava | Ok i will document and send it across in the mailing list | 14:53 |
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| sgordon_ | excellent, thanks! | 14:54 |
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| sgordon_ | #action keshava to document their service insertion and chaining use case | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | so we're running towards the top of the hour... | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | #topic other discussion | 14:55 |
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| sgordon_ | im traveling next week and cant make the meeting | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | is anyone else able to lead? | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | it's the thursday timeslot | 14:55 |
| keshava | example use case is NFV1: NAT service VM, and its forwarding out packet should be input to LB related functionality where is LB is NFV2: LB, | 14:55 |
| sgordon_ | #info need a chair for Thursday 2nd October 2014 1600 UTC | 14:56 |
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| Imendel2 | i can. need guidance on logistics..:) | 14:56 |
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| sgordon_ | #action Imendel2 will chair next week | 14:57 |
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| sgordon_ | Imendel2, ok | 14:57 |
| keshava | based on order of packet forwarding ( in compute node) we need to Service-VMs to chain/cascade on top of controller | 14:57 |
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| sgordon_ | Imendel2, i can still help with framing up the agenda on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:57 |
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| Imendel2 | tnx | 14:57 |
| sgordon_ | Imendel2, will just need to make sure i send you the info for controlling the meeting bot | 14:57 |
| Imendel2 | ok | 14:57 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, and russellb also know how to use it if they are around so they can help | 14:58 |
| sgordon_ | :) | 14:58 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: Imendel2: for sure | 14:58 |
| Imendel2 | :) lucky me | 14:58 |
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| sgordon_ | ok, thanks all ! | 14:58 |
| sgordon_ | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 14:58:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-24-14.03.html | 14:58 |
| cloudon1 | thanks | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-24-14.03.txt | 14:58 |
| Imendel2 | tnx | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-24-14.03.log.html | 14:58 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
| Swami | dvr team meeting time | 15:01 |
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| Swami | waiting for another 5 minutes to get the team in | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi Swami | 15:02 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:02 |
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| Swami | #startmeeting distributed_virtual_router | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 15:02:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 15:02 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: you have asked about the critical bugs for DVR, do you have any questions on it | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think all of my questions were answered in the thread. | 15:03 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | yw | 15:04 |
| Swami | just wanted to make sure that we are in the same page | 15:04 |
| Swami | #info Juno RC-1 is going to be cut tomorrow | 15:04 |
| Swami | Hope all our critical ones should go in by tomorrow. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:06 |
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| Swami | There are three critical bugs right now and I think two have been already addressed and fix commited. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1373100 | 15:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1373100 in neutron "New race condition exposed when cleaning up floating ips on router delete" [Critical,In progress] | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | That is the only critical still open. | 15:07 |
| haleyb | I might have another new one, will wait until you're through the others | 15:07 |
| Swami | This above bug is currently in progress, I am not sure if it can make it to the Juno RC-1 cut date. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: haleyb: We also found another bug where we cannot delete the "snat_namespace". | 15:08 |
| Swami | But this fix is already part of the Mike's patch for the snat_move. So I have not raised an additional bug on this. | 15:08 |
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| haleyb | We have seen "DVR: Failed to obtain local DVR Mac address" occasionally on our internal CI system, a fix of the openvswitch agent fixes things. I'll file a bug but didn't know if others had seen it | 15:09 |
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| Swami | haleyb: no I don't think we recall any such bug internally | 15:10 |
| Swami | haleyb: please go ahead and file the bug. | 15:10 |
| viveknarasimhan | that is known bug | 15:10 |
| viveknarasimhan | bhailey | 15:10 |
| viveknarasimhan | it is being addressed by | 15:10 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Have we filed a bug on this. | 15:11 |
| viveknarasimhan | one sec | 15:11 |
| viveknarasimhan | yeah | 15:11 |
| viveknarasimhan | retrieving bug ID now | 15:11 |
| haleyb | is that the race condition one you've been chasing? | 15:12 |
| viveknarasimhan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1364215 | 15:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1364215 in neutron "L2 Agent switch to non-dvr mode on first RPC failure" [High,Confirmed] | 15:12 |
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| viveknarasimhan | a restart of openvswitch agent is the workaround for that problem | 15:13 |
| Swami | Vivek, is there a fix for this bug right now. | 15:13 |
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| Swami | haleyb: can you check with vivek and see both your fixes addresses the same problem. | 15:14 |
| haleyb | Yes, vivek feel free to ping me afterwards as we see this all the time now | 15:14 |
| viveknarasimhan | i was working on a fix | 15:14 |
| viveknarasimhan | i haven't completed the fix testing | 15:14 |
| viveknarasimhan | if node is started before controller rabbitmq cluster comes up | 15:15 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Yes sure, you can check with haleyb on your proposal and then complete the patch. | 15:15 |
| viveknarasimhan | this problem will be seen, as the first dvr rpc call from l2-agent on node will fail | 15:15 |
| viveknarasimhan | and it will throw Failed to obtain DVR Mac address | 15:15 |
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| viveknarasimhan | if you often see it , it might be controller problem rather than oopenvswitch aget problem | 15:16 |
| Swami | ok haleyb and viveknarasimhan will sort this offline and push the code to address the bug 1364215. If the symptoms are different then go ahead and file a new bug. | 15:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1364215 in neutron "L2 Agent switch to non-dvr mode on first RPC failure" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1364215 | 15:16 |
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| viveknarasimhan | since no controller is servicing the rpc, dvr rpc will timeout and post the error | 15:16 |
| Swami | ok moving on | 15:17 |
| Swami | For the other "snat_namespace" not getting deleted bug we should probably use the patch shown below. | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122024/ | 15:18 |
| Swami | But if this is critical we can split this up into a separate patch so that it does not hold the RC1 build. | 15:18 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Another bug that should be targetted for RC1 is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1356467 | 15:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1356467 in neutron "VPNaaS behavior undetermined with DVR router" [Low,In progress] | 15:20 |
| Swami | This has a "low" priority but still it makes sense since we don't support VPN with DVR, we don't want anyone to get panic when VPN does not work with DVR. | 15:20 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121038/ | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: It is noted. It may be difficult to make a case for this now unless the implementation is completely solid already. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Even then… | 15:21 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Yes I think right now it is in review for a while with issues on UT. | 15:22 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Ok what ever is possible we should do. | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | Feedback needs to be addressed ASAP. | 15:24 |
| Swami | Yes I will ask vikas to address the review comments. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | otherwise it is a not-starter. | 15:24 |
| Swami | ok | 15:24 |
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| Swami | That's all we have for the bugs. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | #topic Open Discussion | 15:27 |
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| viveknarasimhan | i want to let know | 15:28 |
| viveknarasimhan | that I have started implementation of VLAN support for dvr | 15:28 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: yes | 15:28 |
| viveknarasimhan | expect to post a WIP code early next week for review | 15:28 |
| viveknarasimhan | but may not be able to make it to Juno due to timelines | 15:29 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: that is fine. This is not a feature that we targeted for Juno | 15:29 |
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| Swami | You can push the wip code. | 15:29 |
| viveknarasimhan | sure, will do | 15:29 |
| Swami | You can add a backlog item in DVR and then push a wip code with the bug ID. | 15:30 |
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| Swami | Does that sound reasonable. | 15:30 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok. sure | 15:30 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: How big is this change. | 15:30 |
| viveknarasimhan | predominantly L2 only change | 15:31 |
| viveknarasimhan | no plugin change (or) L3 Side changes | 15:31 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Probably we need more testing in these area along with our existing code. | 15:31 |
| viveknarasimhan | have not completed all changes, so will not be able to give right LOC | 15:31 |
| viveknarasimhan | yes, agreed | 15:31 |
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| Swami | next week we will revisit the topic for the DVR for Kilo. | 15:32 |
| Swami | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 15:33 |
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| Swami | The above link is the Kilo etherpad link for neutron. Any new features for Kilo should go in into the etherpad for internal discussion | 15:34 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok | 15:35 |
| Swami | Thanks all for joining the meeting | 15:35 |
| Swami | See you all next week with a plan for the Kilo. | 15:35 |
| Swami | bye | 15:35 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 15:35:49 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-09-24-15.02.html | 15:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-09-24-15.02.txt | 15:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2014/distributed_virtual_router.2014-09-24-15.02.log.html | 15:35 |
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| shivharis | hi sukhdev | 15:41 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Hi | 15:42 |
| shivharis | look like no dvr meeting, very quiet, i was wondering if my irc connection was working | 15:42 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: Good test :-) | 15:44 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello ML2'ers | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 16:00 |
| romilg_ | Hi... | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| manishg | hi | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 16:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements: | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | Juno RC1 is very close | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | Does anyone know the exact date? I missed the core meeting yesterday | 16:02 |
| shivharis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 16:02 |
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| shivharis | dont know the exact date | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | I think it is sometime this week | 16:03 |
| banix | was said around today :) no exact day | 16:03 |
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| amotoki | hi | 16:04 |
| shivharis | will high priority bugs still get in after the date? | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | Kilo Summit sessions are growing in numbers | 16:04 |
| shivharis | bugs -> bug fixes | 16:04 |
| banix | shivharis: i think so | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: If any critical bug is left, they may cut RC2 | 16:05 |
| amotoki | Yes, we are now focusing on high priority bugs. | 16:05 |
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| Sukhdev | We have one to discuss - lets cover that in the Bugs section | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | Please look at the Kilo summit sessions list - it is growing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 16:06 |
| banix | nice! | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | If you have a passion for something or would like to propose a session, this etherpad is a good place to add | 16:07 |
| amotoki | about RC1, the exact date is not decided but several projects plan to release the end of the week, so it is a good milestone. | 16:07 |
| shivharis | long! | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: thanks for clarifying | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | I have one bug to push - hopefully will make it :-) | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | Any other announcements? | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Actions from last week | 16:08 |
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| shivharis | make hotel reservations soon, they are going fast | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | banix, mlavalle: update? | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | Sukhdev: we had a nice chat yesterday | 16:09 |
| banix | mlavalle: you want to discuss | 16:09 |
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| mlavalle | Sukhdev: we agreed to propose to the team to implement a special mechanism driver that will fail in predictable ways, for example every four operations | 16:10 |
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| mlavalle | this will enable a tempest script to expect the bulk operations to fail and verify they are rolled back | 16:10 |
| banix | i was thinking the exact behavior of this driver could also be set by config parameters; just a thought; more flexible | 16:10 |
| mlavalle | banix: great idea | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: you would need a predictable trigger to achieve this | 16:11 |
| rkukura | mlavalle, banix: Could also use special values set on some attribute (i.e. name) to trigger behaviour. | 16:11 |
| shivharis | i like the idea +1 | 16:11 |
| shivharis | as time goes by it can be used for other tests as well | 16:12 |
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| mlavalle | I wrote a brief description in the agenda items | 16:12 |
| banix | rkukura: yeah we thought about your suggestion as well | 16:12 |
| amotoki | my question is how to specify such driver. | 16:12 |
| amotoki | ah.. rkukura already mentions the related topic. | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: I am thinking a mocked driver with some config knobs | 16:13 |
| rkukura | amotoki: The driver could live in tempest - just needs its entry point in the right namespace in setup.py. | 16:13 |
| banix | rkukura: thought the other option may be a bit more straightforward less involved | 16:13 |
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| banix | yeah we have such a driver there already: bulkless | 16:14 |
| amotoki | rkukura: yes. we can specify multiple drivers. | 16:14 |
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| amotoki | bulkfail? | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | mlavalle: Is this special driver part of tempest or for unit/functional tests? | 16:14 |
| shivharis | rkukura: it could live in ml2/plugin/drivers (as a test driver?) | 16:14 |
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| banix | amotoki: neutron/tests/unit/ml2/drivers/mechanism_bulkless.py | 16:15 |
| rkukura | If its only for tempest, why not put it in the tempest repo? | 16:15 |
| amotoki | banix: i know. | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | rkukura: I am thinking this driver is part of ml2 and used by tempest scripts | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | I’m a bit uncomfortable making such a driver part of ML2’s “stable API”, with tempest being unversionsed. | 16:15 |
| amotoki | but using tempest to this purpose is a bit big thing as my first impression | 16:15 |
| rkukura | But I’m also uncomfortable making the driver API a “stable API” for tempest :( | 16:16 |
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| banix | amotoki: you mean too much; not necessary? | 16:16 |
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| amotoki | banix: tempest test API and scenarios tests for some set of OpenStack, so I wonder whether a special driver fits or not. | 16:17 |
| amotoki | tempest test*s* *..... | 16:17 |
| rkukura | amotoki: Maybe this is best done as a unit test or functional test. | 16:17 |
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| banix | amotoki: rkukura i see the concern | 16:17 |
| amotoki | rkukura: totally agree. | 16:17 |
| banix | we have some forms of these tests already in the unit tests | 16:18 |
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| banix | may be functional tests is the correct place for something like this | 16:18 |
| amotoki | banix: yes, so I think it fits unit test or functional test rather than tempest tests. | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I am not too sure how will you test this behavior with unit tests - but, functional tests may be | 16:19 |
| banix | Sukhdev: we do test with failing mechanism drivers in unit tests | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: Are functional tests not part of tempest tests? | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: We have plenty of unit tests that configure drivers and driver them through the neutron API. Maybe these should be functional tests instead, but not sure. | 16:20 |
| banix | but the proposed solution may be a step further wrt testing functionality | 16:20 |
| rkukura | s/and driver them/and drive them/ | 16:20 |
| mlavalle | Sukhdev: they are not | 16:21 |
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| Sukhdev | mlavalle: thanks | 16:21 |
| amotoki | I think it fits functional tests though i have no good idea on how to implement so far. | 16:21 |
| banix | may be that is the next action item to see how we can improve neutron functional tests in this regard? | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | banix: +1 | 16:22 |
| rkukura | It seems that if we want to do this with tempest, we are best off putting this driver in neutron and making sure that its behaviour and the mechanism for triggering it are things we can maintain backwards compatability with. | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | rkukura: correct | 16:22 |
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| amotoki | in my view, tempest tests should not expect some plugins/drivers. | 16:23 |
| shivharis | mlavalle: in functional testing is it possible to restart neutron-server? | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | banix mlavalle: Will you continue to drive this? | 16:23 |
| banix | Sukhdev: yes | 16:23 |
| mlavalle | shivharis: I don't really have experience with neutron functional testing. for me, that is somethiong to eplore | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | #action: banix to work with mlavalle and the team to figure out best testing strategy for bulk operations | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | Sukhdev: yes, as i said last week, I am joining the ml2 team for Kilo | 16:24 |
| banix | i think that is a good thing for us to explore | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on this subject? | 16:25 |
| mlavalle | Sukhdev: if you all take me, of course :-) | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: You are most welcome | 16:25 |
| rkukura | mlavalle: You are more than welcome to get as involved as you want! | 16:25 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 16:25 |
| shivharis | mlavalle: why wait for kilo | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: we humbly accept to you as a fellow ML2'er :-) | 16:25 |
| mlavalle | shivharis: it means now... it's just that it takes some ramp up time | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | Anything else, folks? | 16:26 |
| banix | now we have to tell him about the secret rules ;) | 16:26 |
| mlavalle | i'm done for today | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:26 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Floor is yours | 16:26 |
| shivharis | we have discussed banix's bug quite well... | 16:27 |
| shivharis | moving on: | 16:27 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:27 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1179223 in neutron "Retired GRE and VXLAN tunnels persists in neutron db" [High,In progress] | 16:27 |
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| shivharis | romilg: ? | 16:28 |
| romilg_ | I posted the patch set | 16:28 |
| shivharis | is this based on a new design? | 16:28 |
| romilg_ | need reviewers | 16:28 |
| romilg_ | yeah | 16:29 |
| shivharis | kyle thinks that this should not be postponsed to kilo | 16:29 |
| romilg_ | I have added a table tunnel_mappings to accomated this | 16:29 |
| shivharis | we need help reviewing this (high priority) | 16:29 |
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| romilg_ | lets have a looks at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121000/ | 16:30 |
| romilg_ | and share comments | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura amotoki: can you spare some cycles for this? | 16:30 |
| romilg_ | thanks :) | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Yes | 16:30 |
| amotoki | sure | 16:30 |
| shivharis | rkukura, amotoki: thanks | 16:30 |
| shivharis | next: | 16:30 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391 | 16:30 |
| manishg | I'll take a look at this as well. | 16:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [High,Confirmed] | 16:30 |
| shivharis | rkukura: this one is yours | 16:31 |
| rkukura | shivharis: mestery decided to postpone that one to juno | 16:31 |
| shivharis | kilo? | 16:31 |
| rkukura | to kilo I mean | 16:31 |
| shivharis | ok | 16:31 |
| rkukura | there are other DVR issues that are more critical I believe | 16:32 |
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| shivharis | ok, we will move this to kilo | 16:32 |
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| shivharis | other than the 3 we discussed, please look at all the ml2 bugs and see if these need to be prioritized | 16:32 |
| shivharis | if things dont change a whole lot we look quite alright for RC1 | 16:33 |
| amotoki | Targeted to Kilo just means the second priority and it is a balance to the gate queue... we need to focus on bugs targeted to RC1 now. | 16:33 |
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| shivharis | amotoki: agreed | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: Makes sense - so, we have one from banix and others mentioned by rkukura for DVR | 16:34 |
| shivharis | we have only 3 that need work for RC1 | 16:34 |
| amotoki | this kind of consensus is important :-) | 16:35 |
| shivharis | f there are any that should be re-prioritized please speak up now | 16:35 |
| banix | if there is time may i ask a question regarding my bug | 16:35 |
| banix | that is my beloved bug :) | 16:35 |
| shivharis | Any questions on bugs? | 16:35 |
| rkukura | I think one DVR issue we should be tracking is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123403/ | 16:36 |
| shivharis | banix: yes | 16:36 |
| banix | Thanks for all the reviews; Will adress all today; mainly minor; have one question to discuss here | 16:36 |
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| banix | and that is how we deal with failure in rollback; in the patch, we try to set the status of the resource to ERROR. amotaki in reviews mention about applying the same for non bulks | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: can you add that to the list? | 16:37 |
| rkukura | This I believe is changing ML2 so that delete_port_postcommit() gets called multiple times, once for each host on which the DVR port is bound. | 16:37 |
| shivharis | rkukura: i dont have a background on this will take this up next time | 16:37 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: will do | 16:37 |
| banix | that is not done for non bulks right now and am wondering if we could leave that for a separate patch? | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | It already calls delete_port_precommit() for each host, so this makes these match, but I believe the delete calls should match the create calls. | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | I’m expecting this fix will need to go into juno-rc1 for DVR, and that in kilo we will need to revisit how deletes work. | 16:39 |
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| banix | sorry misspelled amotoki above | 16:39 |
| amotoki | banix: np | 16:40 |
| amotoki | if there is a bug critical for RC1, please raise it or let kyle or one of the core team know it. | 16:40 |
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| banix | i am just thinking we do not change much for non bulk operations in this patch; considering where we are in the cycle | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | banix: so for my clarification - if one of the four (in a bulk operation) fails, roll back only the failed one or all four? | 16:41 |
| banix | Sukhdev: all four | 16:41 |
| rkukura | banix: on the bulk ops fix, I feel we should avoid unnecessary changes, and leave cleanup/refactoring/etc for kilo | 16:41 |
| banix | the bulk ops are atomic by definition | 16:41 |
| shivharis | i will talk to Kyle regarding the bugs owned by banix and romilg (any other?) | 16:41 |
| shivharis | amotoki: ^^^^ | 16:42 |
| amotoki | banix: I am neutral we need to fix it in a same patch. | 16:42 |
| banix | rkukura: are you ok with how rollback failures for bulk are done in the patch or want that done in a lter patch as well? | 16:42 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: add action for me | 16:42 |
| banix | rkukura: that is setting the status to error for resources that didnt get deleted properly in rollback | 16:43 |
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| banix | amotoki: ok thanks | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | banix: what does it mean for a resource to not get deleted properly? | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev | #action: shivharis to follow up with mestery regarding ML2 RC1 bugs | 16:43 |
| ChuckC | banix: setting error status should be consistent | 16:43 |
| banix | rkukura: exception is thrown | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Do you mean that some MD failed? | 16:44 |
| ChuckC | banix: bulk or non-bulk | 16:44 |
| banix | right now we do not worry about the delete failing in non bulks | 16:44 |
| ChuckC | banix: IMO | 16:44 |
| rkukura | So for non-bulk, we go ahead and delete the resource? | 16:45 |
| shivharis | i think consisteny is important, and one gets a way to deal with these later on, based on status | 16:45 |
| banix | ChuckC: i see your point | 16:45 |
| banix | rkukura: yes | 16:45 |
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| rkukura | I’d say this late in the game, its best to make the bulk behaviour match the current non-bulk behaviour | 16:45 |
| ChuckC | rkukura: +1 | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: +1 | 16:45 |
| banix | amotoki: what do you think about what rkukura just stated above | 16:45 |
| amotoki | banix: which one? | 16:46 |
| banix | amotoki: that we do nit worry about setting the status of resources to ERROR if delete fails in this patch | 16:46 |
| shivharis | i like amotoki's idea, but can it wait for kilo? | 16:47 |
| banix | asking amotoki explicitly becuse he suggested the further step of setting status to ERROR | 16:47 |
| amotoki | hmm... setting status in bulk can be in, but.... | 16:47 |
| banix | others welcome to chime in of course | 16:47 |
| amotoki | for a single operation it should be deferred. | 16:47 |
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| amotoki | ideally both should match, but we don't need to fix it at the same time. | 16:48 |
| rkukura | So if a non-bulk create fails, no resource has been created, but with bulk it may have been created but be left in a state where it cannot be used or deleted? | 16:48 |
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| banix | rkukura: even in non bulk the failure may come in post commit | 16:49 |
| ChuckC | amotoki: do you support a separate Juno patch to make it consistent? | 16:49 |
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| amotoki | setting status can be deferred too of course. | 16:49 |
| rkukura | banix: But in that case, doesn’t the resource get deleted before the create op returns? | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev | banix: agreed | 16:49 |
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| shivharis | imo, i still think keep consistency bulk or no bulk | 16:49 |
| amotoki | ChuckC: I don't think it is a requirement. | 16:49 |
| banix | rkukura: unless the db delete for some reason fails | 16:50 |
| amotoki | rkukura: resources can be visible in the API after precommit finishes so it can potentially be deleted before the rollback in bulk create. | 16:50 |
| rkukura | amotoki: you have a point | 16:50 |
| banix | i think the issue with bulk is even if a delte fails we have to do the other deletes | 16:50 |
| banix | that we will do | 16:50 |
| rkukura | banix: +1 | 16:50 |
| banix | i am thinking dealing with a failed delete may be left for another patch | 16:51 |
| banix | that is setting the status to ERROR | 16:51 |
| banix | that way we have consistency between bulk and non bulk as well | 16:51 |
| amotoki | My comment on delete failure is jus a possibility. +1 for banix now. | 16:51 |
| shivharis | banix: please summarize so we can move on | 16:51 |
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| banix | amotoki: thnanks; just considering how late in the cycle we are; that would be reasonable | 16:52 |
| banix | yes to summarize: | 16:52 |
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| banix | for bulk operations we make sure if a delte in rollack fails we continue other resources as needed; in a future patch we make sure if delete fails (for bulk and non bulk) we set the status of the resouce to ERROR | 16:53 |
| shivharis | banix: thanks | 16:53 |
| shivharis | we have beaten all bugs to death, back to you Sukhdev | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | #agreed: for bulk operations we make sure if a delte in rollack fails we continue other resources as needed; in a future patch we make sure if delete fails (for bulk and non bulk) we set the status of the resouce to ERROR | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Thanks | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on the bugs, folks? | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Deferred specs | 16:54 |
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| Sukhdev | I just put the link in the agenda as a place holder so that folks can see it - feel free to update it https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| ChuckC | banix: please include me in discussions re testing mech driver failures | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | anything? | 16:55 |
| banix | ChuckC: sure will do | 16:56 |
| ChuckC | banix: thanks | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | Anybody want to discuss anything - we have 4 mins ? | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev | waiting…..waiting…. | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like we are done, folks….great discussion and conclusions!!! | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for attending | 16:57 |
| amotoki | (announce) horizon Juno supports provider networks. | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| rkukura | thanks Sukhdev! | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 16:57:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| banix | bye all | 16:57 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-09-24-16.01.html | 16:57 |
| ChuckC | bye | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-09-24-16.01.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-09-24-16.01.log.html | 16:57 |
| shivharis | bye | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:57 |
| mlavalle | bye | 16:57 |
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| amotoki | bye | 16:57 |
| shivharis | thanks Sukhdev | 16:57 |
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| banix | ChuckC: lets review how functional tests in Neutron are done (their scope and structure) so we can discuss if a new driver is a helpful approach. | 16:59 |
| ChuckC | banix: sounds good. should we switch to #openstack-neutron? | 16:59 |
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| banix | ChuckC: i thought we look at functional tests off line and then get back together for discussion later | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 17:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Heya - Who's about? | 17:01 |
| ChuckC | banix: ok | 17:01 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:01 |
| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:01 |
| rjrjr_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #topic Action items from last week | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | kiall to attempt an o/r change for dnspython - this was a carryover, and was not done.. It was really too late for us to attempt to merge new functionality | 17:02 |
| Kiall | second and final was: all - re-read all pools specs, and confirm | 17:02 |
| Kiall | I'm afraid I didn't have time or know about the request.. Did everyone else? | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | I had a quick look, but need to do a final read today | 17:03 |
| timsim | it doesn't look like it, not much activity on those. | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Okay, we'll, come the next few days, we'll need to. Once rc1 is cut - kilo work can start merging as far as I understand it. | 17:04 |
| vinod1 | is rc1 tomorrow? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | rc1 is whenever we want it really (within limits!) | 17:05 |
| Kiall | #topic Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 17:05 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Since we were already there ;) | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | The rc window is Sept 25th (tomorrow) to Oct 15 (the day before the final release) | 17:05 |
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| Kiall | So - We have 1 bug left on the rc1 page.. Endre has a review up for it, and we've been using it locally - Our QA dept has tested etc etc and things look good. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | The patch covers more than just the bug though | 17:06 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119516/ | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Could we get some eyes on this patch after the meet, and ideally merge before the RC | 17:07 |
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| vinod1 | will do it later today | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Thanks :) | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | So - The usual question next. What else are we missing from the rc1 launchpad page? | 17:08 |
| mugsie | it just needs a +A - I plus 2'd just before the meet | 17:08 |
| betsy | We’ve got a couple more bugs that got merged | 17:08 |
| betsy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123256/ | 17:08 |
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| betsy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122518/ | 17:08 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1370354 | 17:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1370354 in designate "doc: replace diagram sources with Dia " [Undecided,Fix committed] | 17:09 |
| Kiall | I've moved those over to rc1 - thanks, any others? | 17:09 |
| betsy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123172/ ? | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | There was no bug filed for that (or the api docs added the day earlier which that commit fixes), I'm not sure we need to file one for it :) | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | If there are anymore, please ping me or - if you can access, target the bug to rc1. Thierry likes an accurate launchpad ;) | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Next - Are we aware of any critical issues which we should hold off on rc1 for? | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | None that I know of | 17:13 |
| mugsie | not that I am aware | 17:13 |
| Kiall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123142/ is one I pushed up, though I never filed a bug.. I'm not sure it's a rc1 blocker though. | 17:13 |
| mugsie | not rc1 blocker | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Our QA discovered you could delete the "stock" NS records and break things :) | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | Okay - So, if we have no rc1 blockers. I'll ask thierry to release rc1 for us tomorrow during our 1:1. | 17:14 |
| mugsie | +1 | 17:14 |
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| vinod1 | +1 | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Any objections? | 17:14 |
| timsim | Nope! | 17:15 |
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| vinod1 | jordanP had a code review- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123500/ | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | not sure if that needs to go to rc1 though | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: Yea, from the commit message, it sounds like a valid fix.. But doesn't seem to be a blocker. | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | Any others before we move on? If some are noticed over the next 18 hours or so, ping me, email me, or target to rc1 and I'll hold off asking theirry to release. | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | k | 17:17 |
| Kiall | #topic PTL Elections | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_September/October_2014 | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/046820.html | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | It's PTL election time - Anyone can nominate themselves before Friday | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Voting will take place Sept 26th -> Oct 3rd. | 17:19 |
| timsim | I think we're good ;) | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | Congratulations and Thank you Kiall for continuing as the PTL. I am assuming you will be unopposed | 17:19 |
| * mugsie is not so sure ;) | 17:19 | |
| betsy | :D | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | (jk) | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | Anyway - Anyone is welcome to nominate themselves! | 17:19 |
| timsim | Kiall welcomes all challengers. | 17:20 |
| Kiall | And - People should read the wiki page to make sure they are eligible to vote (i.e. have things setup right and whatnot) | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. Moving on so. | 17:20 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | There was a pretty .. well.. empty agenda this week. Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss? | 17:21 |
| timsim | Not from me. | 17:21 |
| mugsie | I am good | 17:21 |
| betsy | I’m good | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | same here | 17:22 |
| * Kiall looks forward to opening kilo and getting pools work started :) | 17:22 | |
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| timsim | #agreed | 17:22 |
| Kiall | And - Our next meeting is, in theory, after crunch month for those of us at HP should end.. So.. more time once again :) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:23 |
| * mugsie cannot qiat | 17:23 | |
| mugsie | wait* | 17:23 |
| timsim | Cool! | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | Well, if there's nothing else.. We can wrap up.. For next week's meet - We should hold 1 last "pools" discussion.. During that meet, we can +A the BP's assuming nothing major. | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | +1 | 17:24 |
| timsim | +1 | 17:24 |
| betsy | +1 | 17:24 |
| Kiall | So - If you dislike something, get it onto the BPs ASAP, and keep and eye on the BPs for feedback. | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | (And - we can always change BPs later.. +A's doesn't mean set in stone even if we miss something fundamental!) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Okay - Cyas :) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 17:25:53 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-09-24-17.01.html | 17:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-09-24-17.01.txt | 17:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-09-24-17.01.log.html | 17:25 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 18:00:49 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | Giving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in | 18:01 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:01 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_Sep_24 | 18:01 |
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| coolsvap | hello | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | hi coolsvap — welcome | 18:03 |
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| coolsvap | hello all | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Juno RC1 | 18:04 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:04 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 18:04 |
| esp | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | We're looking at tagging the Juno RC1 for trove next week. | 18:05 |
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| amcrn | o/ | 18:05 |
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| grapex | o/ | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | oS | 18:05 |
| amrith | SlickNik, there are two bp's targeted for rc1, is that correct? I thought we are now down to bug fixes? no? | 18:05 |
| amcrn | SlickNik: as a part of that process, we'll need to re-tag the client due to https://github.com/openstack/python-troveclient/commit/4c122dca77e619e8f9490bf612a30b3e77f75c82 | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: Yes, we're tracking bugfixes now, we need to get these merged by next week. | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | amrith: After that, only release critical bugfixes will make it to Juno. | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | So we all need to work on reviewing these bugfixes to get them in. | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | amcrn: gotcha. I'll take a look at pushing a new version of the trove-client out. | 18:08 |
| coolsvap | SlickNik, i need a moment in the bug fix topic | 18:08 |
| amrith | so to be clear, I wasn't reviewing the ones tagged with bp's. do I understand you right in saying that the two bp's are still for juno? | 18:08 |
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| kevinconway | o/ | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: Right we shouldn't be reviewing any BPs right now — only bugs. | 18:10 |
| amrith | ok, thx | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | All BPs in the pipeline should merge into Kilo, once that branch opens after the final Juno RC has been tagged. | 18:11 |
| tomblank | o/ | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | So as a team we need to look at the bug list at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | and work on getting those merged as a top priority. | 18:12 |
| iccha2 | whats the date for rc1? | 18:12 |
| coolsvap | SlickNik, I think the bug #1366939 needs a different fix | 18:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1366939 in trove-integration "Cannot kick-start non-MySQL due to validation-rules.json" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366939 | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | iccha2: Sometime next week — I still need to finalize that with ttx. | 18:13 |
| coolsvap | mat-lowery, do you think the same? | 18:14 |
| mat-lowery | I'm trying to understand what's wrong with the existing fix. Do you know? I haven't looked at it yet. | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | coolsvap: That fix is in trove-integration which isn't part of the integrated release and we can fix even after RC1. | 18:15 |
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| SlickNik | coolsvap: If you think it isn't fixed, please put the relevant info in the bug, and reopen it. | 18:15 |
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| coolsvap | SlickNik, okay sorry to interrupt, I was not aware | 18:15 |
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| SlickNik | coolsvap: no problem. | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions/clarifications on Juno RC1? | 18:16 |
| cp16net | btw wrt that bug i made it so that you dont need to look up the version uuid any more | 18:16 |
| johnma | so SlickNik, will we have an RC2, or do we decide that next week? | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | johnma: good question. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | We will have an RC2, if we need one: i.e. only if we feel that there is a bugfix that is critical and needs to be part of Juno. | 18:17 |
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| SlickNik | If not RC1 becomes our final juno RC. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | and the branch opens for checkins to kilo. | 18:18 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | ^ Explains the timing a little better. | 18:18 |
| johnma | sounds like a plan. Thanks SlickNik | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Any other clarifications? If not, let's get these bugs and reviews knocked out this week! :) | 18:20 |
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| SlickNik | Also, _please_ ping me if you come across a bug that you believe is critical and warrants a fix in RC1 — so that we can triage appropriately. | 18:21 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Kilo Design Summit | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | #link http://ttx.re/kilo-design-summit.html | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | So I've been talking to the organizing folks about the Kilo design summit. | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | And across the board, it seems like folks will have fewer session slots. | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | because of space / time constraints. | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | For Trove we will have 4 design summit session slots. | 18:24 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, how long is each one? 40 min? | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | And a half day space for our "contributors meetup" | 18:24 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: Yes, 40 minutes, I believe. | 18:24 |
| kevinconway | SlickNik: is that code for an argument that lasts several hours? | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | kevinconway: I don't think so — although I'm sure I can find pod space for that if folks are interested :P | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | Another thing to note is that we're coming up with design summit suggestions using Etherpad this time. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Instead of the web tool we had last time. | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | So that it can be a bit more collaborative. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | I'll set up an etherpad with some structure by end of this week, and will send out a link so that folks can propose design sessions. | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | It'll be linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | So keep an eye out on that. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Some projects have already started doing this, so you can get a glimpse of how it's going for them if you look on that page. | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-trove-summit-topics | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | ^^ Use this to propose what you'd like to see as a design summit session. | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | Any questions regarding the design summit? | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:35 |
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| amrith | i have one | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | amrith: go for it | 18:36 |
| amrith | friday at summit | 18:36 |
| amrith | I've heard that a bunch of people will be leaving early on friday | 18:36 |
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| amrith | are we going to have anything on friday? | 18:36 |
| amrith | could we avoid it? | 18:36 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: So Friday is the contributors' meetup — we have a half day space with an open agenda. | 18:37 |
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| amrith | which half? | 18:37 |
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| SlickNik | not sure yet, ttx is figuring out the schedule. But I'm pushing for the earlier half. :) | 18:38 |
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| amrith | ok, that'd be good because I hear that several are leaving in the latter half. | 18:38 |
| amrith | not me, I'm told I stay till Sunday | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | Hopefully we can cover most of the important topics during the sessions itself. | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | If we need more time, I'm going to see if we can get some space and call for an impromptu session or two the day before (Wed) — kind of like we did at ATL. | 18:39 |
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| amrith | ok, thx SlickNik | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | Not a problem! | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | ANy other questions / comments? | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | If not, I have one. :) | 18:41 |
| kevinconway | will marshmallows also be a central theme for this conference? | 18:41 |
| amrith | *context?* | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | kevinconway: I hope not — those conversations take wayy long :) | 18:42 |
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| SlickNik | So we've got a new kid on the block who's going to be working with us on Trove. | 18:42 |
| denis_makogon | o/ (sorry for being late) | 18:43 |
| amrith | denis is the new kid? | 18:43 |
| amrith | ;) | 18:43 |
| kevinconway | that's what i was asking | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: meet the rest of the Trove team — Trove team meet edmondk :) | 18:43 |
| vipul | great timing denis_makogon | 18:43 |
| edmondk | Hello | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | lol @ denis_makogon | 18:43 |
| dougshelley66 | hi edmondk | 18:43 |
| johnma | Hello Edmond, welcome to the team | 18:43 |
| amrith | edmondk, welcome! | 18:43 |
| edmondk | Thank you | 18:43 |
| * georgelorch waves | 18:44 | |
| denis_makogon | edmondk, hi =) | 18:44 |
| grapex | o~ | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | He's still getting up to speed with OpenStack and the process, and sit a couple of rows down from where I do. | 18:45 |
| edmondk | Hope to start making contributions as soon as possible. Trying to figure out the process this week. | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | Okay, anything else - anyone? | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | feel free to ping us with any question you have | 18:47 |
| edmondk | will do | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | nice! | 18:47 |
| denis_makogon | thanks | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 18:47:51 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-09-24-18.00.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-09-24-18.00.txt | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-09-24-18.00.log.html | 18:47 |
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| SlickNik | Let's get those bugs fixed and reviewed for RC! :) | 18:48 |
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| amrith | thx SlickNik | 18:48 |
| SlickNik | See you in #openstack-trove | 18:48 |
| johnma | thanks SlickNik | 18:48 |
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| blogan | #startmeeting octavia | 19:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 24 19:55:58 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is blogan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:55 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 19:56 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 19:56 |
| blogan | hello all | 19:56 |
| blogan | if anyone has mad it to the room yet | 19:56 |
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| johnsom_ | Hello | 19:56 |
| rm_work | I'm not mad at the room | 19:56 |
| johnsom_ | Aren't we four minutes early? | 19:56 |
| rm_work | not sure what it did to you... | 19:56 |
| xgerman | you are 4 minutes early | 19:56 |
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| xgerman | are clocks fast at RAX? | 19:56 |
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| rm_work | we just like to be prompt :) | 19:56 |
| barclaac | Hi all | 19:56 |
| blogan | damnit my clock! | 19:56 |
| blogan | meh we can use this time to get to know each other | 19:57 |
| blogan | i like walks on the beach | 19:57 |
| TrevorV | The beach doesn't | 19:57 |
| rohara | o/ | 19:57 |
| blogan | ... | 19:57 |
| xgerman | I live near a beach :-) | 19:57 |
| barclaac | Showoff | 19:57 |
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| blogan | i live near a river? | 19:58 |
| blogan | that i can walk on | 19:58 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 19:58 |
| blogan | anyone remember what the action items from last week were? | 19:59 |
| xgerman | nope | 19:59 |
| TrevorV | You can look it up in the meeting notes | 19:59 |
| blogan | if our meeting minutes person would have actually done his job | 19:59 |
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| xgerman | lol | 19:59 |
| dougwig | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-09-17-20.00.html | 19:59 |
| johnsom_ | First one... ACTION: TrevorV write up 2 weeks worth of meeting notes. (TrevorV_, 20:01:35) | 19:59 |
| johnsom_ | Grin | 19:59 |
| xgerman | :-) | 19:59 |
| TrevorV | Totally did it. | 20:00 |
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| blogan | lol | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | Just not as pretty as I would have done with the webex | 20:00 |
| blogan | i didn't realize webex gave you pretty tools | 20:00 |
| sballe__ | hi | 20:00 |
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| blogan | okay meeting has now officially started | 20:00 |
| xgerman | yeah, I like webex more, too, but I have seen a couple of references that IRC is the OpenStack way | 20:00 |
| sballe__ | Are we meeting in iRC? or webex? | 20:00 |
| blogan | #topic Review progress on action items from last week | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review progress on action items from last week (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| blogan | RIC | 20:00 |
| blogan | IRC | 20:00 |
| sballe__ | thx | 20:01 |
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| davidlenwell | can we vote on that again... | 20:01 |
| * davidlenwell ducks | 20:01 | |
| blogan | sbalukoff had his mind jedi mind tricked | 20:01 |
| * blogan kick davidlenwell | 20:01 | |
| blogan | and kicks | 20:01 |
| * dougwig sighs. | 20:01 | |
| xgerman | we need IRC with voice and video | 20:01 |
| blogan | okay, dougwig octavia etherpad | 20:01 |
| blogan | what was that action item | 20:02 |
| blogan | oh wait | 20:02 |
| dougwig | start here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 20:02 |
| dougwig | and from there, stephen's is linked. | 20:02 |
| dougwig | that gets you all lbaas and octavia reviews. | 20:02 |
| blogan | excellent | 20:02 |
| xgerman | nope, we just link the query | 20:02 |
| blogan | dougwig: thanks for getting all those neutron lbaas reviews moved to the feature branch | 20:02 |
| xgerman | http://bit.ly/1wqy47t | 20:03 |
| dougwig | i'll do the drivers as soon as we have jenkins passing. | 20:03 |
| xgerman | thanks | 20:03 |
| blogan | yeah I think stephen had said he was going to do a list for octavia with priorities | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | That exists blogan | 20:03 |
| blogan | where? | 20:04 |
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| blogan | unless he's using launchpad | 20:04 |
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| TrevorV | I | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | I | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | I'm looking for it | 20:05 |
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| TrevorV | Stutter | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | I think I have seen a list but it got replaced with the LBaaS one | 20:05 |
| blogan | okay well we'll move on until you find it | 20:05 |
| xgerman | as the MOTD | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-pending-reviews | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | Got it | 20:05 |
| dougwig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-pending-reviews | 20:05 |
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| blogan | ah excellent | 20:05 |
| dougwig | let me link that through the other one | 20:05 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:05 |
| sballe__ | +1 | 20:06 |
| dougwig | done | 20:06 |
| xgerman | cool | 20:06 |
| blogan | looks fairly up to date too | 20:06 |
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| blogan | okay anything anyone wants to add to this? | 20:07 |
| blogan | moving on | 20:07 |
| johnsom_ | Looks good to me | 20:07 |
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| blogan | #topic Neutron LBaaS VIP to Octavia VIP | 20:07 |
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| blogan | currently Neutron LBaaS v1 and V2 creates a neutron port for the VIP before it even passes control to the driver | 20:08 |
| blogan | so this means when we link up Octavia with Neutron LBaaS (with an Octavia driver) it will have this neutron port already created | 20:09 |
| blogan | and since we're probably goign to support different front end plumbing (floating ips), we need to keep this in mind | 20:09 |
| sballe__ | good point | 20:09 |
| blogan | plus Neutron LBaaS has no concept of floating ips as vips either | 20:10 |
| blogan | at least none that I am aware of | 20:10 |
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| blogan | so if Neturon LBaaS is the frontend to Octavia, then we've got a problem | 20:10 |
| dougwig | neutron lbaas can do floating ips, just not in one step. you can assign a float to the vip, and it works fine. | 20:10 |
| xgerman | hence Neutron LBaaS v2?> | 20:11 |
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| blogan | we can add that support in V2, but will all vendors support that as well? | 20:11 |
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| blogan | dougwig: how do you assign a float to the vip? | 20:11 |
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| dougwig | allocate one and associate it directly to that ip. can do it in horizon or the CLI. | 20:11 |
| blogan | ah okay, i see what you mean | 20:12 |
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| blogan | but the user would have to have the vip created first, and then make that into a floating ip? | 20:12 |
| dougwig | you can also have the vip on a completely different subnet and ignore the neutron port entirely, if the routing tables are correct. | 20:12 |
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| rohara | blogan: that is what i've done in the past | 20:13 |
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| rohara | neutron floatingip-associate ... | 20:13 |
| dougwig | blogan: yep. | 20:13 |
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| blogan | i'm not sure that workflow would work in our (RAX's) case but I'm not 100% sure | 20:13 |
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| blogan | i think it would be best if we added that to automatically happen in V2, but I'm not sure of the implications to vendor drivers | 20:14 |
| xgerman | well, ther eprobbaly is some flag we could use? | 20:15 |
| sballe__ | yes I agree. | 20:15 |
| blogan | yeah but don't we have the current problem that woudl fall under flavors domain, which doesn't exist yet | 20:15 |
| rohara | xgerman: +1 | 20:15 |
| blogan | as in one vendor supports it but another does not | 20:15 |
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| dougwig | or the octavia does its own plumbing, and then we push it upwards once we know more about how it'll all work. | 20:16 |
| dougwig | octavia driver. | 20:17 |
| blogan | yeah i was just thinking that octavia will just do the floating ip association if it got a vip_port_id | 20:17 |
| dougwig | nothing in lbaas precludes the driver deleting the current port and rewiring everything its own way. | 20:17 |
| xgerman | well, sounds wasteful | 20:17 |
| blogan | dougwig: yeah that was another option but not a fan of it | 20:17 |
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| blogan | hacky | 20:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:17 |
| blogan | but it would be a temporary solution | 20:17 |
| dougwig | yes, it is, but it lets us take an isolated step before we make a final decision for all | 20:18 |
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| blogan | xgerman, sballe__: do you know if the workflow of creating a vip as a neutron port and then doing a floating ip association would work for you? | 20:18 |
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| xgerman | I think it would | 20:18 |
| sballe__ | yes | 20:18 |
| blogan | okay, I'm not so sure on our end but I'm leaning towards yes | 20:19 |
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| blogan | #action brandon investigate neutron port and floating ip association feasability for RAX | 20:19 |
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| blogan | anyone have anything else to add or concerns? | 20:20 |
| xgerman | a lot of new blueprints appeared last night | 20:20 |
| blogan | moving on | 20:20 |
| blogan | #topic Discuss any outstanding blockers | 20:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss any outstanding blockers (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:20 | |
| TrevorV | xgerman, can save that for open discussion, yeah? | 20:21 |
| blogan | xgerman: i think that will fall into the last agenda item | 20:21 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | soryy, jumoing ahead | 20:21 |
| blogan | is anyone being blocked? | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | :) | 20:21 |
| blogan | or is any blueprint blocked | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | I'm not "blocked" but I would like more eyes on the repository review | 20:21 |
| blogan | link it | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | Apparently my testing could be more accurate | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120927/ | 20:22 |
| johnsom_ | Controller is technically blocked, but I am working on a spec anyway, so not really blocked | 20:22 |
| blogan | controller is probably going to be "blocked" for a while, at least a fully functioning controller | 20:22 |
| johnsom_ | Yep | 20:22 |
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| blogan | alright moving on | 20:23 |
| blogan | #topic Review status on outstanding gerrit reviews | 20:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status on outstanding gerrit reviews (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:23 | |
| blogan | trevor already linked his | 20:23 |
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| blogan | xgerman: you just updated your spec | 20:23 |
| xgerman | yep, I did | 20:23 |
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| xgerman | I expect sbalukoff to ecstatically approve it | 20:24 |
| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121694/ | 20:24 |
| dougwig | xgerman's, which is likely the #1 review for eyeballs this week: https://review.openstack.org/121694 | 20:24 |
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| blogan | xgerman: i can totally nitpick you on the commit message | 20:24 |
| xgerman | I got an pep8 last time so I kept it short | 20:25 |
| blogan | well i mean it has no context, i dont know what 3rd version it is until i actually look at the doc | 20:25 |
| dougwig | xgerman: google "openstack git commit message". there's more than a few things you need to fix. :) | 20:26 |
| * TrevorV thinks the weeds are getting pretty thick here | 20:26 | |
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| blogan | well the commit message doesn't have to be detailed like some of those examples | 20:27 |
| blogan | anyway I think those are the only 2 reviews that are open | 20:27 |
| blogan | and ready to be looked at | 20:27 |
| blogan | so lets get some eyeballs on them | 20:27 |
| blogan | moving on | 20:27 |
| xgerman | I think we need to re-open some based on what I learn about commit messages :-) | 20:27 |
| blogan | lol | 20:28 |
| blogan | #topic Review list of blueprints, assign people to specific blueprints and/or tasks | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | a bunch of new belueprints appeared and we didn't have time to look athe in detail | 20:28 |
| xgerman | so I suggest to defer that unless somebody needs work | 20:29 |
| blogan | ah yeah i didn't realize new ones appeared either | 20:29 |
| blogan | stephen must have added those last night | 20:29 |
| johnsom_ | I would like to talk about the blueprint process, but that might be better in open discussion. | 20:29 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/stackforge/octavia+status:open,n,z | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | For any not having the link open... | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | Wait, those are only open BPs... | 20:31 |
| blogan | alright lets move to open discussion, and we have our first item | 20:31 |
| johnsom_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/octavia | 20:31 |
| blogan | #topic talk about blueprint process | 20:31 |
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| TrevorV | Thanks johnsom_ | 20:31 |
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| johnsom_ | I would like to understand our blueprint management process a bit better. | 20:32 |
| blogan | i think stephen is in the process of actually making it a process | 20:32 |
| johnsom_ | I am assigned (by volunteer) the image building blueprint as an example. | 20:32 |
| sballe__ | blogan to me it sounds like sbalukoff is just creating blueprints | 20:33 |
| davidlenwell | I believe he's just thinking ahead .. | 20:33 |
| sballe__ | Could we have a session where we talk about what blueprints are needed? | 20:33 |
| johnsom_ | Last night Stephen made a number of changes to this blueprint, some I am not aligned with, some that ignored the task list in the approved spec, and he marked it as started. | 20:33 |
| sballe__ | I am happy to sync-up with him as well | 20:33 |
| blogan | he probably is, but also prioritizing things, i'm sure all of tehse aren't just set and stone and can't be changed | 20:33 |
| blogan | johnsom_: ah well then in that case it woudl ahve been nice for him to be here | 20:34 |
| johnsom_ | My understanding of blueprints was to assign ownership and track the progress, etc. | 20:34 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:34 |
| blogan | that and also list out things that need to be done | 20:34 |
| sballe__ | +1 | 20:34 |
| xgerman | the owner of the blueprint should be consulted when changing things | 20:35 |
| dougwig | there is a certain amount of prioritizing and milestone planning that also happens, which might involve some shuffling. whether that's just the PTL or a committee activity is a choice for the group to make. but this is a discussion to be had with stephen. | 20:35 |
| johnsom_ | blogan - Sorry, I saw him join the room and he is on the list | 20:35 |
| sballe__ | yeah but we have to do this as a group | 20:35 |
| blogan | i agree | 20:35 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:35 |
| dougwig | johnsom_: he had an emergency and had to leave. | 20:35 |
| dougwig | can we table this for when stephen is present and move on? i'm certain none of his changes were meant to be final. | 20:36 |
| johnsom_ | Well, should we talk about blueprint process as a team without him? | 20:36 |
| davidlenwell | +1 | 20:36 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think you should talk about process without the team lead present | 20:37 |
| davidlenwell | doesn't sound fruitful | 20:37 |
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| dougwig | discuss the team without all of the team? :) | 20:37 |
| davidlenwell | just my humble opinion | 20:37 |
| blogan | well it is an open discussion | 20:37 |
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| blogan | and yeah we need stephen to weigh in but I don't see the harm in expressing thoughts on the process | 20:38 |
| blogan | that is my humble opinion as well | 20:38 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:38 |
| blogan | if there is anything more pressing to talk about we can do that first though | 20:38 |
| dougwig | oh, i don't see any harm either. we'll just be having the conversation twice. i'm not really opposed to it. | 20:38 |
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| blogan | well other than consulting the blueprint owner before changing the blueprint, what other concerns do you have johnsom_? | 20:39 |
| xgerman | well, we also liked the priorites, milstones, etc. set by committee | 20:40 |
| johnsom_ | That is the bulk of it. Having a clear understanding, as a team, how we are managing blueprints/work. | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | I think throwing ideas out and gaining understanding about process is a good idea regardless of attendance, but making a decision can't happen without him so its probably best to wait | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | ok, let's juts make sure those two points make it into the minutes | 20:41 |
| xgerman | so we can discuss them next time :-) | 20:41 |
| blogan | im pretty sure his intentions were to just get things set, similar to how I just created blueprints to actually get the discussion and implementation of Octavia moving | 20:41 |
| TrevorV | xgerman, add #action to those 2 things with some reference to talk about it next meeting | 20:42 |
| blogan | #action Talk to Stephen about blueprint process and how priorities, milestones, and blueprint changes are done. | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | There you go xgerman :D | 20:42 |
| xgerman | yep, I hoped we would have human minutes again :-) | 20:42 |
| dougwig | one thing that gets tough with distributed teams is doing everything by committee. having rough planning sessions every now and again where everyone is involved is fine, sure. but for smaller scale stuff, you do get an email on every change, so it's not happening in a vacuum. i view that as more of an asynchronous conversation. | 20:43 |
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| johnsom_ | I thought that is why we are distributing ownership and work... | 20:43 |
| TrevorV | xgerman, one of the links in each minutes section is an exact recording of the conversations, which I view as better than paraphrasing with a single point of bias (me, being scribe in this case) but I can write them up if we all like that better | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | well, we can always use WebEx and talk things through | 20:44 |
| dougwig | johnsom_: i'm not sure we're disagreeing? | 20:44 |
| xgerman | I think we are all agreeing :-) | 20:44 |
| xgerman | TrevorV, I liked the bias :-) | 20:44 |
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| rm_work | BTW: If anyone wants to comment on the ML thread I started, that'd be cool: [openstack-dev] [Neutron][LBaaS] Interaction with Barbican and Keystone | 20:45 |
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| blogan | alright well since that is tabled until we can talk to Stephen, anything else | 20:45 |
| rm_work | no one has responded since I posted that :( | 20:46 |
| blogan | #topic Open Discussion | 20:46 |
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| blogan | rm_work: I bet markmcclain would have some thoughts on that | 20:46 |
| blogan | probably ping him tomorrow in the neutron lbaas meeting | 20:46 |
| rm_work | I cc'd a bunch of people besides just the ML, surprised I have gotten no response | 20:47 |
| blogan | well no one really cares about you | 20:47 |
| rm_work | (cc'ed Stephen, Susanne, Doug, German, Adam Young (keystone) and Doug Mendizabal (barbican)) | 20:47 |
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| dougwig | i'd wager it's a gross can of worms that no one wants to touch. maybe schedule a webex meeting and get everyone in the same room? | 20:48 |
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| rm_work | T_T k | 20:49 |
| rm_work | it's honestly not like there's much choice, I think | 20:49 |
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| xgerman | I love webex so I am all for it | 20:49 |
| rm_work | just need to get everyone to AGREE on a direction | 20:49 |
| rm_work | I'm fine with that | 20:49 |
| xgerman | #vote? | 20:49 |
| rm_work | or gchat | 20:49 |
| xgerman | guys, in case you missed it: | 20:50 |
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| xgerman | https://isc.sans.edu//#__utma=216335632.683171903.1411576676.1411576676.... | 20:50 |
| rm_work | #vote for what? :P | 20:50 |
| rm_work | oh yeah | 20:50 |
| rm_work | that bash thing | 20:50 |
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| xgerman | yep -- | 20:50 |
| rm_work | I've updated my servers, but no OSX update yet that I'm aware of (OSX seems also vulnerable) | 20:50 |
| blogan | alright time to end the meeting | 20:51 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:51 |
| blogan | #endmeeting | 20:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 24 20:51:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-09-24-19.55.html | 20:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-09-24-19.55.txt | 20:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-09-24-19.55.log.html | 20:51 |
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