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| d0ugal | o/ | 08:00 |
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| marios | o/ | 08:00 |
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| StevenK | \o | 08:00 |
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| d0ugal | marios: are you running things? | 08:02 |
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| marios | i thought you were :) (no) | 08:02 |
| tchaypo | I'm vaguely here but in holiday with family and myinternet is unreliable | 08:02 |
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| marios | anyone have a pressing desire to manage meetbot for today? | 08:05 |
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| lsmola | o/ | 08:06 |
| marios | is that you volunteering lsmola ? | 08:06 |
| d0ugal | lsmola: good man | 08:06 |
| lsmola | marios: o_ | 08:06 |
| marios | :) | 08:06 |
| marios | #startmeeting tripleo | 08:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 08:07:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is marios. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 08:07 |
| lsmola | marios: :-) | 08:07 |
| lsmola | marios: thank you | 08:07 |
| marios | so, as no one else seems to be willing, i can do the copy/paste | 08:07 |
| marios | #topic agenda | 08:07 |
| marios | * bugs | 08:07 |
| marios | * reviews | 08:07 |
| marios | * Projects needing releases | 08:07 |
| marios | * CD Cloud status | 08:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:07 | |
| marios | * CI | 08:07 |
| marios | * Tuskar | 08:07 |
| marios | * Specs | 08:07 |
| marios | * open discussion | 08:07 |
| marios | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 08:08 |
| marios | #topic bugs | 08:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:08 | |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 08:08 |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 08:08 |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 08:08 |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 08:08 |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 08:08 |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 08:08 |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 08:08 |
| marios | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 08:08 |
| marios | 4 criticals in tripleo | 08:09 |
| marios | anyone have any updates or a fav bug they want to highlight here? | 08:10 |
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| marios | so this one +bug/1263294 was discussed last week too | 08:11 |
| marios | was previously assigned to mkerrin, but apparently he can't work on it any longer | 08:11 |
| marios | so it's up for grabs if someone has the time and inclination | 08:11 |
| marios | OK. if there's nothing else here, we can move on... | 08:13 |
| marios | #topic reviews | 08:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:13 | |
| marios | #info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 08:13 |
| marios | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 08:13 |
| marios | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 08:13 |
| marios | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 08:13 |
| marios | Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : | 08:14 |
| marios | Average wait time: 11 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes 1st quartile wait time: 0 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes Median wait time: 7 days, 16 hours, 32 minutes 3rd quartile wait time: 14 days, 21 hours, 6 minutes | 08:14 |
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| marios | oh that didn't work so well | 08:14 |
| marios | so the one we usually point to is | 08:14 |
| marios | 3rd quartile wait time: 14 days, 21 hours, 6 minutes | 08:14 |
| marios | for reference, last week it was | 08:15 |
| marios | 19:11:09 <lifeless> 3rd quartile wait time: 12 days, 17 hours, 27 minutes | 08:15 |
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| marios | so a *bit* worse | 08:15 |
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| marios | anyone want to request reviews or other discussion here? | 08:16 |
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| marios | what happened to the 'auto -1' discussion on the mailing list? | 08:16 |
| * marios looks | 08:16 | |
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| marios | wow what a terrific audience | 08:17 |
| lsmola | :-) | 08:17 |
| marios | ok am going to move on in a minute if there's nothing else here | 08:17 |
| lxsli | +1 | 08:17 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 08:17 |
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| tchaypo | last week we also looked at the queue growth on the botttom of the 30 day stats | 08:18 |
| marios | i guess the obligatory 'cores please keep up your review obligations' | 08:18 |
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| tchaypo | it say sthe queue is down 7 reviews over the last 30 days.. | 08:18 |
| tchaypo | which is the right direction.. | 08:18 |
| tchaypo | did i mention my internet being not great at the omment? | 08:19 |
| marios | tchaypo: lifeless was going to file a bug about a miscount too, but I missed the meeting and don't follow exactly what that was | 08:19 |
| tchaypo | ah, i can try to talk to him about that later this week, if we're both around at the same time | 08:19 |
| marios | tchaypo: for clarity, which one is the 'queue growth over the last 30 days' i can't immediately see it @ http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 08:20 |
| tchaypo | it's on the bottom of the 30-day stats page | 08:20 |
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| marios | anyone have any ideas how to progress with the auto -1 - i haven't followed the discussion for a couple days | 08:21 |
| marios | i think consensus was: | 08:21 |
| tchaypo | www.nemebean.com/reviewstats/tripleo-30.txt - Queue growth in the last 30 days: -7 (-0.2/day) | 08:21 |
| marios | it is a good idea, but there is still discussion about 'auto' vs 'human' -1 | 08:21 |
| marios | tchaypo: thanks | 08:21 |
| marios | #note Queue growth in the last 30 days: -7 (-0.2/day) | 08:22 |
| tchaypo | i think there's also discussion about whether -1 is useful or just stats-twiddling | 08:22 |
| marios | tchaypo: right. | 08:23 |
| tchaypo | if we can find another way to increase visibility of active changes i think we'd get consensus around taht easier | 08:23 |
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| lxsli | last I heard it was to be a workflow -1 which gets it out of the core reviewer queue | 08:23 |
| lxsli | that is useful beyond making stats more accurate | 08:23 |
| tchaypo | but not everyone can workflow -1 | 08:24 |
| marios | so, regardless of the discussion, how do we get something like this passed? apparently irc votes are not binding/useful (cos of timezones?). how do we put a proposal to vote then? | 08:24 |
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| marios | ok, really moving on if there is nothing else here ... | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | but i guess that's what we want - workflow-1 means a core has reviewd it and judged it not ready to land | 08:25 |
| lsmola | tchaypo: sounds reasonable | 08:26 |
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| tchaypo | sorry, my internet is really bad. | 08:26 |
| marios | OK | 08:26 |
| marios | tchaypo: thanks for your input mate | 08:26 |
| marios | i guess we leave it until we have a new ptl and they can pick it up next week | 08:27 |
| marios | we can't do anything here anyway | 08:27 |
| marios | moving on | 08:27 |
| marios | #topic Projects needing releases | 08:27 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Projects needing releases (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:27 | |
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| marios | all those wanting to do a release please form an orderly queue | 08:27 |
| * marios pokerface | 08:28 | |
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| lsmola | hehe | 08:28 |
| lsmola | I guess it's time I learn how to do it | 08:28 |
| marios | lsmola: thanks! | 08:28 |
| marios | lsmola: do you have the necessary permissions? | 08:28 |
| StevenK | lsmola: Are you in the -ptl group on gerrit? | 08:28 |
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| marios | I *think* I can add you if you are not (anyone already in that group can) | 08:29 |
| lsmola | StevenK: no idea :-) | 08:29 |
| marios | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO/ReleaseManagement | 08:29 |
| marios | OK. so here's what we'll do. If I can add lsmola to the tripleo-ptl group after this meeting, then he will do the release. | 08:29 |
| marios | otherwise, i will do it, and lsmola can do it next week | 08:30 |
| marios | #note lsmola to release all the things | 08:30 |
| lsmola | marios: ok, I agree with any of those options :-) | 08:30 |
| marios | thanks lsmola - it's pretty self explanatory but I am very willing to help if there are any issues | 08:30 |
| lsmola | marios: ok | 08:30 |
| marios | moving on... | 08:31 |
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| marios | #topic CD Cloud status | 08:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CD Cloud status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:31 | |
| marios | anyone around with an update here? | 08:31 |
| derekh | rh1 is ok | 08:31 |
| derekh | I ment to push up a patch to start using hp1 last week, had to rebuild and redploy testenv image again, with updated bash and 3G VM's, that done now and I'ge ran 35 CI tests using it (32 passed), so I'll submit the patch to infra today. | 08:31 |
| marios | great. | 08:32 |
| marios | moving on in a minute if theres nothing else | 08:32 |
| tchaypo | Hp2 is on a go-slow as I'm on holiday | 08:32 |
| marios | OK thanks derekh and tchaypo | 08:33 |
| marios | #topic CI | 08:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:33 | |
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| derekh | 3 ci incidents causing test to fail since the last meeting, details here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-breakages | 08:33 |
| derekh | I've also stared emailing a weekly report to the list so people know how things are going | 08:34 |
| marios | #note derekh> 3 ci incidents causing test to fail since the last meeting details https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-breakages | 08:34 |
| marios | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-breakages | 08:34 |
| derekh | *started | 08:34 |
| derekh | thats all from me for CI | 08:35 |
| marios | thanks derekh | 08:35 |
| marios | moving on in if there's nothing else | 08:35 |
| * marios moves on in | 08:36 | |
| marios | #topic Tuskar | 08:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tuskar (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:36 | |
| marios | lotsa tuskar ppl about | 08:36 |
| d0ugal | Tuskar is finished ;) | 08:36 |
| marios | \o/ | 08:36 |
| marios | anything worth mentioning here? | 08:37 |
| marios | OK | 08:37 |
| d0ugal | I don't think so - we have a demo video is anyone wants to see what Tuskar can do now | 08:37 |
| * d0ugal find the link | 08:37 | |
| marios | thanks dougshelley66 | 08:37 |
| marios | d0ugal even | 08:37 |
| d0ugal | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--WWdJXmf8o | 08:37 |
| marios | thanks! | 08:38 |
| marios | #topic Specs | 08:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:38 | |
| d0ugal | ^ Useful for anyone not following Tuskar too close but wants to see the current state | 08:38 |
| marios | anything someone wants to bring up | 08:39 |
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| marios | OK | 08:40 |
| marios | moving on | 08:40 |
| marios | #topic open discussion | 08:40 |
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| marios | so james polley has emailed the list about summit planning | 08:40 |
| marios | lemme get a link | 08:40 |
| tchaypo | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-tripleo-summit-topics | 08:41 |
| marios | thanks! | 08:41 |
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| tchaypo | Thanks for bringing it up :) | 08:41 |
| marios | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 08:41 |
| marios | oh sorry, that one is probably not so useful | 08:42 |
| marios | OK. anything else someone wants to bring up? | 08:42 |
| marios | otherwise, we get an extra 15 mins for reviews \o/ | 08:42 |
| marios | going | 08:42 |
| marios | going | 08:43 |
| marios | #endmeeting | 08:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 08:43:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-10-01-08.07.html | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-10-01-08.07.txt | 08:43 |
| marios | thanks everyone | 08:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-10-01-08.07.log.html | 08:43 |
| StevenK | Thanks! | 08:43 |
| tchaypo | Thanks for running | 08:43 |
| lsmola | thanks guys, have a great week | 08:43 |
| marios | lsmola: will ping you in a bit mate | 08:43 |
| lsmola | marios: ok, thanks | 08:43 |
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| Swami | hi | 15:01 |
| Swami | hi dvr folks | 15:01 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | pcm_:hi | 15:02 |
| viveknarasimhan | hi Swami | 15:02 |
| Swami | ChuckC: hi | 15:02 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:02 |
| pcm_ | hi! Just lurking... and doing 2 meetings at once :( | 15:02 |
| ChuckC | Swami: hi | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: hi | 15:03 |
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| Swami | #info The RC1 for the Juno have not happened yet. | 15:03 |
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| ChuckC | Swami: I won't be able to attend much of this meeting, I have a teacher conference to attend now | 15:03 |
| Swami | ChuckC: fine | 15:03 |
| ChuckC | Swami: maybe we can sync up later? | 15:03 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: do you know when the RC1 is going to be released. | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Any time now. I don’t know beyond that. | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: I’m seeing bugs that were targetted to rc1 being changed by Thierry to fix released. | 15:05 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:05 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: Bug 1374573 | 15:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374573 in tempest "Server hang on external network deletion with FIPs" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374573 | 15:06 |
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| Swami | I heard that this bug if not addressed we might have an RC2, this was mentioned in the neutron meeting. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | But I think we have not come to any concensus on the solution for this bug yet. | 15:07 |
| viveknarasimhan | the fix by armax was abandoned for that | 15:07 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: yes I did see the review comment from Robkukura | 15:08 |
| viveknarasimhan | we shud move process_l3_delete outside lock zone | 15:08 |
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| viveknarasimhan | that will make better fix than putting more locks | 15:08 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: I agree with you, I don't see any issue with that move, right now. | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124975/ | 15:10 |
| Swami | I have included that option in the recent patch that I pushed in for review. | 15:10 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks for the link | 15:11 |
| Swami | cool, then this had been addressed and approved. | 15:11 |
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| viveknarasimhan | see.. good to know | 15:12 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Do you think then adding the csnat_port_delete to the _process_l3_delete will solve the lockout issues that we have. | 15:12 |
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| viveknarasimhan | possible | 15:13 |
| viveknarasimhan | but we have include that with delete_port calls | 15:13 |
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| viveknarasimhan | not with _delete_port | 15:13 |
| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Yes with the "delete_port" is what I am suggesting, that is one option. | 15:14 |
| Swami | But this routine will be called only when there is a network_delete and not for interface_remove or interface_add | 15:14 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: we had question regarding the existing backlog items for the DVR. | 15:15 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok | 15:15 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: Do we need to create a separate blueprint for kilo to address all the backlog items or can we add as bug and then start working on the backlog items. | 15:16 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: there is comment by Robkukura regarding taking also the delete_floatingip out of the transaction : We probably should also move the core_plugin.delete_port() call outside the transaction in l3_db.L3_NAT_db_mixin.delete_floatingip(), but maybe that should be a separate patch. | 15:19 |
| viveknarasimhan | we have to think through that before making changes | 15:19 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Yes true. | 15:21 |
| Swami | #topic Bugs | 15:21 |
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| Swami | I did see that was a new bug that was filed by sylvain on the log message in the l3-agent during the restart between rfp and fpr. | 15:21 |
| Swami | bug 1376013 | 15:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376013 in neutron "Error about rfp/fpr veth in log when restarting l3 agent in DVR mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1376013 | 15:22 |
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| Swami | I knew that mike smith was working on a patch for cleaning up the l3-agent restart scenario and this might fall under that category. | 15:23 |
| viveknarasimhan | ywa | 15:24 |
| viveknarasimhan | looks like this doesn't cause any side effect, from Sylvains comments | 15:24 |
| Swami | We need to also file a bug for the "multiple external network" support. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Sorry, I’m back and reading back. I had to participate in another meeting. | 15:25 |
| * carl_baldwin reads the history | 15:25 | |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks np | 15:25 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I was just asking do we need to file individual blueprints for all the backlog items that we are targeting to address in kilo cycle. | 15:25 |
| Swami | Or it can be addressed a backlog bugs. | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Bugs don’t need blueprints. However, if it is some addition of functionality a blueprint may be requested. | 15:26 |
| viveknarasimhan | for eg., for VLAN support for DVR | 15:26 |
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| viveknarasimhan | Eugene quoted in the bug placeholder that a blueprint is required for such change... | 15:26 |
| haleyb | or minimal IPv6 support :) | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: hi | 15:26 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | viveknarasimhan: My opinion is that VLAN support won’t need a blueprint. But, others may disagree. | 15:27 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: Here is my thought, if we see any functionality that is broken because of DVR, then we file a bug and address it as a bug. | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: I feel similarly about IPv6 support. People expect these to be there. | 15:28 |
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| viveknarasimhan | but VLAN support is new functionality, | 15:28 |
| viveknarasimhan | we never broke it :) | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I think it is reasonable to start these out as a bug. | 15:28 |
| Swami | If nothing is obvious as a bug then we can target to file a blueprint. | 15:28 |
| viveknarasimhan | ok thanks Carl | 15:29 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: yes, I was testing the devstack ipv6 code and sadly it doesn't play well with dvr-enabled. I'll file a bug for what I saw | 15:29 |
| viveknarasimhan | i also found another bug | 15:29 |
| viveknarasimhan | with ARP responder enabled, and DVR ON, arp responder is not working fine | 15:29 |
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| viveknarasimhan | i'll file detail bug on that later this week | 15:30 |
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| Swami | viveknarasimhan: Yes go ahead and file the bug if it is confirmed. | 15:30 |
| haleyb | and since we're still on bugs, I sent another update out for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1364215 | 15:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1364215 in neutron "L2 Agent switch to non-dvr mode on first RPC failure" [High,In progress] | 15:30 |
| viveknarasimhan | i will review this haleyb | 15:31 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks we will take a look at it and I think viveknarasimhan is already reviewing it. | 15:31 |
| haleyb | yes, him and carl provided comments, i updated last night and got through the gate failures i hope | 15:32 |
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| haleyb | s/him/vivek | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Thumbs up for PS5 and PS6 having the same parent and being easily comparable. :) | 15:33 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: The other wip patch that I posted for review is for the db lockwait timeout issues. | 15:34 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124849/ | 15:34 |
| Swami | Right now vivek was suggesting that "delete_port" should be called.... and calling _delete_port is not a right choice. | 15:35 |
| Swami | In that case we need to think through to address this problem, how to get rid of the lockwait issues. | 15:35 |
| Swami | I do agree with Vivek, but for now this workaround fixes the problem. | 15:36 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: If you have any suggestions please post in your comments and I will look for other options in the meantime. | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: I will look soon. | 15:39 |
| Swami | #topic backlog-items | 15:39 |
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| Swami | So for left out backlog-items we will be filing bugs and then start working on it. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | If requires we can file a blueprint as well. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | The kilo blueprint site is open right now. | 15:41 |
| viveknarasimhan | oh ok | 15:41 |
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| Swami | link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/kilo Kilo Specs | 15:42 |
| Swami | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/template.rst | 15:43 |
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| Swami | The old spec file may not work with the new jenkins so we might have to create fresh, that's what was mentioned in the neutron meeting. | 15:43 |
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| Swami | Apart from the current patches that are out there, the immediate backlog items that we need to address are the | 15:44 |
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| Swami | VPN for DVR, Multiple external network support, l3-agent restart clean up , l3-agent refactor. | 15:45 |
| Swami | I am currently working on a patch for the VPN with DVR. I do have a WIP patch, but after I test it, I will post it for review. | 15:45 |
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| Swami | #topic general discussion | 15:46 |
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| Swami | Any other general topics for discussion | 15:47 |
| Swami | If no other topics are there, we can end the meeting | 15:48 |
| Swami | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting. | 15:48 |
| Swami | See you next week. | 15:48 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello fellow ML2'ers | 16:01 |
| manishg | hi | 16:01 |
| rcurran | hi | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | who’s here? | 16:03 |
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| romilg | Hi... | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | so far 5 of us | 16:03 |
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| irenab | hi | 16:03 |
| rkukura | we’ll get started in a moment | 16:04 |
| amotoki | hi | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 16:04:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Agenda | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Kilo is now open for new specs | 16:05 |
| rkukura | There is a new template as well, so some updates will be needed moving Juno specs to Kilo | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | Spec template has changed a bit - | 16:06 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: anything significant? | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: not really | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | Kilo Summit topics for Neutron: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 16:07 |
| romilg | One question, I would like to propose a new CLI in python neutron-client , do I need to propose a specs in kilo ? | 16:08 |
| rkukura | romilg: Is this part of a spec for a new feature, or purely a client change? | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | The summit topics etherpad above lists quite a few ideas related to ML2. I added an agenda item for today to discuss ML2 themes for kilo that may help us determine what summit sessions would be most useful. | 16:10 |
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| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:10 |
| rkukura | #topic Action Items | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | We had: banix to work with mlavalle and the team to figure out best testing strategy for bulk operations | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | but I don’t see either banix or mlavalle online | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | We also had an AI for shivharis to followup with mestery regarding RC1 bugs | 16:12 |
| rkukura | But shivharis is traveling | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | Any other AI updates? | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:13 |
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| rkukura | When I last checked, there were 3 bugs blocking RC1, but none seemed to involve ML2 | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | There was one ML2 bug regarding a deadlock that was resolved yesterday | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | One of the 3 bugs is the removal of the old openvswitch and linuxbridge plugins :) | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | Does anyone have any bugs that need discussion today? | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: looks like our bug czar is missing today | 16:16 |
| romilg_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1179223 in neutron "Retired GRE and VXLAN tunnels persists in neutron db" [High,In progress] | 16:16 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: right, I mentioned that | 16:16 |
| romilg_ | it would be great if we could set the milestone for the same | 16:16 |
| romilg_ | Another | 16:17 |
| romilg_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1224978 | 16:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224978 in neutron "port binding on multi segment networks could lead to agent misconfiguration" [Medium,In progress] | 16:17 |
| amotoki | I think it is already in good shape. | 16:17 |
| rkukura | romilg_: That one does seem important, but is not currently targeted as a Juno RC. I think there is a patch, right? | 16:17 |
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| romilg_ | yeah | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | romilg_: Shiv had action item to follow up on that bug with mestery to include in RC1 | 16:18 |
| romilg_ | ok | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | The 2nd sounds like one for kilo | 16:18 |
| amotoki | The first one is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/121000/ | 16:18 |
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| amotoki | re: 2nd one, +1 for kilo. | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: do you feel the 1st one should block RC1? | 16:19 |
| amotoki | rkukura: no. it is not a blocking issue. | 16:19 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: It does involve schema changes, so would not easily be backported | 16:20 |
| amotoki | rkukura: it contains db change, so we cannot backport it after the release. this is the only reason I am reviewing it. | 16:20 |
| rkukura | amotoki: Seems we should talk to mestery about it. | 16:21 |
| rkukura | Any other bugs to discuss today? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | #topic Specs | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | We’ll want to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tracking_ML2_Subgroup_Reviews#Under_Review as we post specs for Kilo | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | Anything else on specs for today? | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | #topic Kilo Themes | 16:23 |
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| rcurran | rkukura, will you be updating, reposting the hierarchical spec? | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | rcurran: yes | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | My goal in adding this to the agenda was to get us started prioritizing work for ML2 during Kilo | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | And then to use that to determine how we can make best use of the design summit | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | So I added a number of items, mostly things that didn’t get completed in Juno, and/or that have been discussed in the past | 16:25 |
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| amotoki | rkukura: are you talking about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics ? | 16:26 |
| rkukura | amotoki: No, the list in this meeting’s agenda | 16:26 |
| amotoki | rkukura: thanks | 16:26 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_October_1.2C_2014 | 16:26 |
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| rkukura | What do others feel are the top priorities for ML2 during Kilo (other than vendor-speciic stuff)? | 16:27 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think your list is good | 16:28 |
| rkukura | Anything missing? | 16:29 |
| rkukura | Anything anyone feels is not worth at least considering? | 16:29 |
| amotoki | I think it is good coverage for ML2 items. | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | Lets all think about this during the next week, and try to prioritize a bit next week, and then we can start talking about which items need time at the summit | 16:30 |
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| amotoki | Possible items related to ml2 are external attachments, port security, vlan aware VMs.... and so on, but it is not specific to ML2. | 16:30 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: perhaps the item on moving drivers out of tree can be removed and let it be at Neutron level | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: perhaps, but maybe we’d need to stabilize the driver API to enable that | 16:31 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: Yes, that will be a general issue across the whole Neutron APIs | 16:32 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: good point | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | Let’s revisist this next week then | 16:33 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:33 |
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| rkukura | I’m happy to wrap up early an have some lunch before my next meeting ;) | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Anyone want to discuss anything ML2 related? | 16:34 |
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| amotoki | how about splitting drivers dir into type and mech in Kilo? | 16:34 |
| amotoki | we see many drivers in the same dir now. | 16:35 |
| rkukura | amotoki: what about extension drivers? | 16:35 |
| amotoki | rkukura: ah.. just forgot it. | 16:35 |
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| rkukura | amotoki: I think we’ll be seeing more cases where vendors have their own type drivers for their fabrics, etc., so these might be more coupled with the mechanism drivers. Similarly with vendor-specific extensions | 16:36 |
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| amotoki | I am thinking similar. one point i am not sure is how to place files if a driver is related to multiple drivers (e.g, ext and mech ) | 16:36 |
| rkukura | Maybe we should organize into vendor subdirectories, along with a directory for the standard type drivers? | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | The nice thing about using entrypoints for drivers is that we can reorganize the code without breaking configs | 16:37 |
| amotoki | it might be better. | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | Any other discussion topics? | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 16:39:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Thanks | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-01-16.04.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-01-16.04.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2014/networking_ml2.2014-10-01-16.04.log.html | 16:39 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 16:39 |
| romilg_ | bye | 16:39 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:39 |
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| rcurran | bye | 16:40 |
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| manishg | thx. | 16:40 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 17:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Hey folks - who's about? | 17:00 |
| timsim | \o/ | 17:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| rjrjr_ | o? | 17:01 |
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| vinod1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| Kiall | we missing richm / betsy ? | 17:01 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Guess not :) Okay, let's get started... | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last week (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| Kiall | No actions from last week, so moving on... Nice an easy ;) | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #topic Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (kiall - recurring) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:02 | |
| Kiall | Juno RC1 is out (woo!), though, we've got 1 known bug targeted to rc2 (bug 1375397). | 17:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1375397 in designate ""Multi" backend attempts to read a deleted domain" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375397 | 17:02 |
| Kiall | I've pushed a fix for master and proposed/juno | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Review for master: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124820/ | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Review for proposed/juno: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124822/ | 17:02 |
| Kiall | We'll get some more testing in before we cut an rc2, probably early next week I reckon | 17:03 |
| Kiall | and .. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-rc2 | 17:03 |
| Kiall | ^ milestone for rc2 | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Any other known issues we should be tracking for rc2? | 17:03 |
| mugsie | not that I know of | 17:04 |
| mugsie | but, then again, if i did, they would be there ;) | 17:04 |
| Kiall | K - If anyone finds any, please add them :) | 17:04 |
| vinod1 | ok | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Moving on so.. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #topic Pools Specs | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pools Specs (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:04 | |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120915/ API | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112688/ MiniDNS | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113447/ Storage | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113462/ Pool Manager | 17:04 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101298/ Overall Spec | 17:04 |
| mugsie | overall I am happy with them ^ | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | they will probably change as we implement the actually work | 17:05 |
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| timsim | As am I. There will be some small tweaks here and there, and details. But that can happen as we implement them. | 17:05 |
| mugsie | but they are a very good base point | 17:05 |
| Kiall | It's time to get most of these merged - I think there's still some work to do on them, BUT, +A doesn't mean set it stone, we can diverge a little as we implement where necessary. | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | I can take them, and make sure they merge, and +A them, if no one has any objections? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Unless there are any comments to bring up, Could we all go leave a +/- vote on them now? | 17:06 |
| vinod1 | +1 on that | 17:06 |
| Kiall | (Don't +A yet though, as mugsie says, they won't all merge cleanly yet) | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | The only one I don't think is ready to merge is the overall one, it duplicates a lot of things from the sub-specs, which I think should be cleaned up.. | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | But.. mugsie is suggesting we don't need to merge it anayway :) | 17:08 |
| betsy | It would still be nice to have an overall spec | 17:08 |
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| vinod1 | The one thing I like is the overview and the terminology in the overall one | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | vinod1: / betsy have a good point | 17:08 |
| timsim | I think it should stay around, but we can take the stuff out that's duplicated, or just link to where it is. | 17:08 |
| mugsie | i can fix it up as well | 17:09 |
| Kiall | vinod1: yea, agreed.. I think we should just strip the duplicated info out, and merge | 17:09 |
| rjrjr_ | i'll fix up the pool manager one right after this meeting so it will be good to go. | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | Thanks rjrjr_ - all my comments were just nit's and typos etc :) | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | Okay - So, How are people fixed for actually starting on this work? | 17:10 |
| timsim | rjrjr_: Manager service, betsy: storage, vinod: Minidns was where I thought we were at | 17:11 |
| rjrjr_ | i started. just wanted to understand if my work is reviewed as WIP or not. | 17:11 |
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| betsy | I’m starting on the storage piece | 17:11 |
| rjrjr_ | if i make changes that don't impact Designate whatsoever, can't i just submit for review? | 17:11 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: master is open for Juno features now :) | 17:11 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: yeah | 17:12 |
| Kiall | If pools was ready today, we could merge the whole thing ;) | 17:12 |
| vinod1 | I hope to get a first draft on the minidns/serverpools up by this weekend | 17:12 |
| betsy | I’m out the rest of this week, so I won’t have anything until next week | 17:12 |
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| rjrjr_ | so, i can submit without it being a WIP? | 17:13 |
| Kiall | we have 6 months to get it all in + solid, no rush | 17:13 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yes | 17:13 |
| Kiall | i.e. enjoy your week off ;) | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | Okay - So, sounds like everyone is ready to go on pools, we'll move on, and circle back next week to discuss the million and three things we didn't figure out in the specs ;) | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | Any other off-agenda topics from others? I have 1.. | 17:15 |
| Kiall | Beyond pools in Kilo, we have some more bits and pieces to do. For example, transitioning the backends to work on MiniDNS (this can be done alongside the pools work), getting validation right in V2, etc | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Do others have other pieces they think would be useful Kilo work? | 17:16 |
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| vinod1 | We should start working on the Paris presentation too | 17:16 |
| timsim | Maybe some work on integration with the other openstack projects? | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | timsim: yes, I was thinking about getting that Nova driver we promised written :) | 17:17 |
| mugsie | I want to look at logging clean up, and a general code hygine run | 17:18 |
| mugsie | every time i look at central, I cry a little | 17:18 |
| rjrjr_ | i think IXFR is necessary. | 17:18 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: yup +1 | 17:18 |
| timsim | mugsie: +1 | 17:18 |
| Kiall | mugsie: yes, ekarlso suggested he would look at the split of the central class into multiple endpoints | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | and then doing the same further down the stack | 17:18 |
| mugsie | (storage could use it as well) | 17:19 |
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| rjrjr_ | i'll put together a few specs to get the IXFR ball rolling. | 17:19 |
| Kiall | I actually asked him to hold off on that one a little, since I wanted easy backports from master -> proposed/juno until we release ;) | 17:19 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: feel free to takeover / amend any pre-existing specs filed | 17:19 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr_: the only issue we have with ifxr is how / what we store, so i suppect the specs will be debated a bit ;) | 17:19 |
| Kiall | (There are some there for them in LP) | 17:19 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm getting use to the debate. 8^) | 17:20 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: you should see some of the other team meetings ;) | 17:20 |
| Kiall | mugsie: agreed - there's a line between holding too much data, and too little data for implementing the feature. | 17:20 |
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| rjrjr_ | okay, let me get something going and we can start that debate. | 17:21 |
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| Kiall | Anyway - I'd also like to see some more DB cleanup over Kilo - some of mugsie's recent stress testing was painful :) | 17:21 |
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| timsim | Kiall: +1 | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | Okay, anyone else have other topics? I know we're all eager to get Kilo work started so probably don't have much :) | 17:24 |
| mugsie | nothing from me | 17:24 |
| betsy | I’m good | 17:24 |
| timsim | Sounds like we've got our work cut out for Kilo. | 17:24 |
| rjrjr_ | also good. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | :) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Okay - Well, I'll use the next 30mins to join that conference call I was missing ;) Thanks all! | 17:25 |
| betsy | :) | 17:25 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 17:25:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-01-17.00.html | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-01-17.00.txt | 17:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-10-01-17.00.log.html | 17:26 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 18:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| sgotliv | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | giving folks a few minutes to trickle in. | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Should be a quick meeting —very light agenda. | 18:01 |
| kevinconway | \o/ | 18:02 |
| sgotliv | SlickNik, I need to discuss something with you later | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | Sure sgotliv — feel free to use the open discussion time if it's appropriate. | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Juno RC1 | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno RC1 (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:03 | |
| SlickNik | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | So we're almost there. | 18:04 |
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| iccha | o/ | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | Just a couple more fixes need to merge before we're done with the Juno RC1, and can officially open kilo for checkins. | 18:05 |
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| iccha | has update name bp been moved out? | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | iccha: Yes, I spoke to ttx to try to get an exception, but it's really very late in the game at this point :( | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | iccha: We can get that merged as soon as kilo opens for check-ins. | 18:06 |
| iccha | ok thanks SlickNik | 18:06 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:06 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:06 |
| schang | o/ | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | which should be as soon as we cut the juno RC | 18:06 |
| tomblank | o/ | 18:06 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:07 |
| amrith | SlickNik, what's the decision re: audit logging? much of that bp merged. | 18:07 |
| amrith | two more stragglers. | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: Frankly I'm a bit torn on that one. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | amrith: The changes are straighforward, but it does touch a whole lot of logging code. | 18:08 |
| amrith | either is ok, don't sweat it. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Since it's not fixing a critical but, it's probably better we wait till kilo to take those two fixes. | 18:09 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | And then we can call logging audit done. | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: okay with you? | 18:09 |
| amrith | yup | 18:09 |
| amrith | no problem | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good, thanks! | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | So really, we've only got one review that needs to be looked at and merged: | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120874 | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | And then we can open kilo for check-ins. | 18:11 |
| amrith | SlickNik, truthfully, I'm not wild about the name and it is a change that will be hard to reverse as it is a name in an API. but it looks good. | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: other suggestions welcome. | 18:12 |
| iccha | this is imp security fix for replication, just wanna make sure it gets in juno | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | "There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things." | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | -- Phil Karlton | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | iccha: agreed | 18:13 |
| amrith | cache invalidation is easy. | 18:13 |
| iccha | hehe | 18:13 |
| amrith | btdt, hstsfi | 18:13 |
| edward-fastly | :D | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | Okay, that's all I had for the RC1 topic. | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | Anything for open discussion? | 18:15 |
| iccha | so if you have noticed X019 in our channel she is applying for gnome opw program | 18:15 |
| iccha | if she has any questions on trove/redstack please help her | 18:15 |
| amrith | what is gnome opw? | 18:15 |
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| iccha | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/OutreachProgramForWomen | 18:15 |
| iccha | openstack has been participating in it for several cycles | 18:15 |
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| amrith | nice! | 18:16 |
| SlickNik | That is awesome — I didn't know about that. | 18:16 |
| iccha | if she gets you have ideas for her to work on trove features, if she gets accepted she can work on them next 3 months | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | iccha: Will do, thanks for bringing it up. | 18:16 |
| iccha | Yall know anteaya , anita kuno . she was my mentee | 18:16 |
| iccha | and got introduced to openstack via this program | 18:17 |
| iccha | so its a great program to get folks working with openstack | 18:17 |
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| iccha | thats all from me :) | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | iccha: Sounds good. Thanks! | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | Anything else for open discussion? | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | going once | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | going twice | 18:18 |
| anteaya | iccha is a fantastic mentor | 18:18 |
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| amrith | on that note, sold! | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 18:18:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-01-18.00.html | 18:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-01-18.00.txt | 18:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-10-01-18.00.log.html | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | anteaya: ++ Agree wholeheartedly! | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | anteaya: didn't know you were iccha's mentor. You did a fine job :) | 18:19 |
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| iccha | SlickNik: I was her mentor :p | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | oh, it was the other way round. | 18:20 |
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| * SlickNik was confused but thinks he has things straight now. | 18:20 | |
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| SlickNik | Thanks guys! | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | SlickNik: :D she did do a fine job, didn't she!! | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | anteaya: Yes, she totally did! | 18:22 |
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| sbalukoff | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 1 20:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbalukoff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | \o/ | 20:00 |
| rohara | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Hi guys! | 20:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Did you want to actually do a roll call? | 20:00 |
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| blogan | present! | 20:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| rm_work | I mean, it's just a nice thing to get a handle on who is here | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! Me too. | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Oh, sure. | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
| rm_work | and not interrupt our first topic with a bunch of "hello!" :P | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| sbalukoff | If you're here for the meeting, say something now. | 20:01 |
| rm_work | though by now a ton of people have already waved :) | 20:01 |
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| jwarendt | Wave | 20:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:01 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:01 |
| dougwig | present, and my mommy packed my lunch. anyone want to trade? | 20:01 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| rohara | o/ | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:01 |
| * blogan beats dougwig up for his lunchable | 20:01 | |
| rm_work | dougwig: do you have any fruit rollups?? | 20:01 |
| rm_work | all I got was this mini-pack of twizzlers | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | o/\/ | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, folks, the actual meeting agenda is here: | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | You'll probably notice that it closely resemble's last week's agenda. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Sorry I had to duck out at the last minute like that. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Quick update on "Octavia" trademark | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Quick update on "Octavia" trademark (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:02 | |
| * TrevorV wonders if sbalukoff realizes there is no agenda listing on the page for last week's meeting... | 20:03 | |
| sbalukoff | I've been contacted by the government lawyer handling the "Octavia" trademark request. | 20:03 |
| rm_work | excellent! | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Yes, I had noticed that. | 20:03 |
| rm_work | ... excellent? | 20:03 |
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| sbalukoff | Yes, he had one question for me (which was a quick yes/no), and anticipates no problem getting things taken care of there. | 20:03 |
| rm_work | excellent. | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | I anticipate we will officially "own" the Octavia name in a week or so. I'll let you all know when that happens. | 20:04 |
| * TrevorV is wondering what punctuation comes next from rm_work | 20:04 | |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, moving on... | 20:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:04 |
| blogan | thats good news | 20:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | thanks for the update sbalukoff that's awesome | 20:04 |
| rm_work | ¿ Excellent | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Review progress on action items from last week | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review progress on action items from last week (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:05 | |
| sbalukoff | It looks like there were only two action items from last week, the latter of which I'll be discussing later in this meeting. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Any update on: brandon investigate neutron port and floating ip association feasability for RAX (blogan, 20:19:41) ? | 20:06 |
| blogan | still need get more clarity on that | 20:06 |
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| blogan | so need another action | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, cool. | 20:06 |
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| sbalukoff | #action blogan to get more clarity on neutron port and floating ip association feasability for RAX | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, again, I'll cover the other action item a little later. | 20:07 |
| blogan | ty | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Discuss any outstanding blockers | 20:07 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, folks, what are y'all blocked on? | 20:08 |
| dougwig | hunting season. | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | Still waiting for reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120927/ | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Haha! Awesome. XD | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | Its the repository review | 20:08 |
| dougwig | i'll take a look today. | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Cool. I'm working on that today and should be able to get back to you. | 20:09 |
| blogan | db repository | 20:09 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | ^^ thanks blogan. Any feedback is great. | 20:09 |
| blogan | there's many ways to skin that cat so if the path chosen is something unliked, please put it in the reivew | 20:09 |
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| sbalukoff | Sounds good. | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Any other blockers? | 20:10 |
| blogan | not sure if this is a blocker, but i decided im not going to implement paste deploy until its actually needed in the operator api | 20:10 |
| blogan | unless someone has a valid reason why we need it right now | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | Any who haven't updated the weekly standup probably should... That's a good place to put blockers as well (as they come up) | 20:11 |
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| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Thanks, and good point. | 20:11 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-weekly-standup | 20:11 |
| xgerman | blogan sounds good | 20:11 |
| xgerman | not sure we sue that anywhere at HP | 20:12 |
| blogan | well ive noticed that ironic, who is incubated, isn't using it and i talked to them and they said they didn't really have a reason to use it yet | 20:12 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: I'm not hearing any reasons why we need it right now, so I think you're probably good to go with that decision, eh. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, moving on... | 20:13 |
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| sbalukoff | #topic Review status on outstanding gerrit reviews | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Review status on outstanding gerrit reviews | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status on outstanding gerrit reviews (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:13 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status on outstanding gerrit reviews (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:13 | |
| dougwig | #undo | 20:13 |
| blogan | well i suppose one of those has been covered | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | #undo | 20:14 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x28eb7d0> | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:14 |
| rm_work | Q: is working on the neutron-lbaas CRs still a high priority, or are we focusing 100% on JUST Octavia for a bit? | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: The other major one is yours | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-pending-reviews | 20:14 |
| dougwig | only one that isn't WIP is trevor's. | 20:14 |
| blogan | yeah | 20:14 |
| blogan | but yall are more than welcome to look at the WIP and give feedback on the direction | 20:15 |
| dougwig | rm_work: we have neutron mindshare right now, so if we can capitalize on that to get some v2 reviews done, i'd say we should go for it. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:15 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:15 |
| rm_work | ok | 20:15 |
| xgerman | I need to review but I will be on vacation Friday-Tuesday | 20:15 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: If you're looking for stuff to do, I can probably come up with something in Octavia. But dougwig has a really good point: The iron is hot in LBaaS v2 right now. | 20:16 |
| rm_work | ok | 20:16 |
| rm_work | I was starting on some neutron-lbaas stuff but was wondering whether my time would be better spent dropping that for now and switching to Octavia things | 20:16 |
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| blogan | yeah and so for neutron lbaas v2 plugin/db review | 20:16 |
| rm_work | since I finally got the Barbican client up to date (approximately) | 20:16 |
| blogan | i mean start +1'ing that review | 20:16 |
| xgerman | yeah, barbican!! | 20:17 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: The plan is still to have Octavia plug into Neutron LBaaS v2 as a driver, so we do still want that one in as soon as we can get it in. | 20:17 |
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| TrevorV | then it sounds like you have your work cut out for you rm_work o_0 | 20:18 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway, we can cover the Neutron LBaaS reviews in tomorrow morning's meeting. | 20:18 |
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| blogan | yeah | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, moving onto the next topic | 20:18 |
| ptoohill | Is evgeny around? My CR's were based off of his. But with these changes and me being focused elsewhere I'm a bit unsure what the status of anything is. | 20:18 |
| blogan | ptoohill: he may be around tomrorow | 20:18 |
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| blogan | sure they dont come to this meeting | 20:18 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever seen Evgeny here. | 20:18 |
| ptoohill | Alrighty, Ill be more focused on that side of things tomorrow anyhow | 20:18 |
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| ptoohill | Thank you | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Review list of blueprints, assign people to specific blueprints and/or tasks | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, folks, I know there was a lot of confusion as to just what the heck I was doing in launchpad last week. | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | So, I wrote a follow-up e-mail trying to explain that. | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/047100.html | 20:19 |
| dougwig | usurping power and stepping on necks? | 20:19 |
| rm_work | where you elected yourself dictator? :P | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Also... | 20:20 |
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| sbalukoff | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/047103.html | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Exactly. | 20:20 |
| * rm_work is ok with it, just sayin' | 20:20 | |
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| sbalukoff | I will crush the pathetic resistance under my boots. | 20:20 |
| xgerman | not so fast | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:20 |
| xgerman | we think that the owner of a blueprint is like a vasall who can tax his own people | 20:20 |
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| sbalukoff | xgerman: Right. So here's where we should probably move away from analogy. | 20:21 |
| rm_work | #sbalukoff4dictator2014 | 20:21 |
| blogan | sbalukoff with dictatorial powers...its as if a million voices cried out and then there was silence | 20:21 |
| dougwig | his father's face already stares at me every time i open my mailbox. | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: If only there were a million people working on this. XD | 20:21 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: oh god, we'd never get ANYTHING done | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Give in to the power of the dark side. | 20:21 |
| xgerman | well, who knows ifd they are people? | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Aaanyway.... | 20:22 |
| xgerman | do we need to start ordering light sabers for paris | 20:22 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:22 |
| blogan | digression complete | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Does anyone have questions or concerns about the e-mail I wrote? | 20:22 |
| xgerman | well, we had some discussion around committee or dictator | 20:22 |
| xgerman | which wasn't resolved | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Sure. Could you summarize? | 20:23 |
| dougwig | i think johnsom and sballe had the issues, and i don't think they're here. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | true. | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | Wonderful. | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | I know I talked with johnsom in IRC afterward. | 20:23 |
| blogan | hopefully xgerman can speak for them? | 20:23 |
| xgerman | well, not really -- | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | I think we were on the same page by the end of it: Mostly, I think johnsom wasn't sure what it meant to be "owner" of a blueprint. | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | And felt that by touching *everything* I had overstepped my bounds. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | yep, exactly | 20:24 |
| xgerman | and sballe roughly likes a Jedi Council over a supreme leader | 20:24 |
| xgerman | prefers | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | These concerns were taken into account in how I wrote up that e-mail (which I did pretty much directly after I'd had that conversation.) | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Sure. | 20:25 |
| blogan | well i dont mind the process of sbalukoff setting the priorities for all blueprints, and if some of us disagree then we can bring it up with him | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | So, I also tried addressing this as best as I understood it in my e-mail | 20:25 |
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| rm_work | yeah, owning a BP doesn't matter much, they can be reassigned... the REAL issue is dougwig owning all of the neutron-lbaas CRs, the power-hungry fascist! | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | Or you can bring it up before the group in a meeting. | 20:25 |
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| dougwig | committee or not, the person ultimately responsible for keeping bp's up to date is the PTL, and until we have an election, that's stephen. | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | In most cases, I have no problem with these kinds of discussions happening out in the open so long as they're productive. | 20:26 |
| dougwig | rm_work: I WANT THEM ALL | 20:26 |
| rohara | dougwig: +1 | 20:26 |
| rm_work | dougwig is playing Pokemon with our gerrit reviews | 20:26 |
| blogan | was it more going into the blueprint and changing TODO items that johnsom had a problem with? | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:26 |
| rm_work | (of course, all THAT means is that we can't abandon or 1-click rebase...) | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yeah, tye blueprint owner should be consultefd before changes are made | 20:27 |
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| blogan | xgerman: even on priority changes? | 20:27 |
| dougwig | rm_work: your rebase button is now "/msg dougwig hey, rebase xxx". i learned my lesson. :) | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yes, I think so. And, again, he's certainly free to change them back (but hopefully after he's talked with the person who added them-- who in this case was me.) | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: That's a good goal, but we do work asynchronously here. | 20:28 |
| xgerman | we have e-mail to consult | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | If you can't get ahold of the BP owner, you should feel free to make the change and follow up with them (hopefully shortly) afterward. | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | the idea here is: It's easy to change things back because *every* change generates an e-mail. | 20:28 |
| xgerman | yeah, if they don;t answer for some time | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | And I want to avoid the situation where people don't feel like they can do anything without permission. | 20:28 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: well i do agree major changes should wait for a converstion, unless in the obvious case the BP owner hasn't been heard from in a while | 20:28 |
| xgerman | some people are more touchy then others | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yes. | 20:29 |
| blogan | of coruse thats when comments in the actual blueprint would be quite handy (a la storyboard) | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I do understand that-- and I will try to soothe egos. But really, I *think* we're all on the same team here, and so far I've not seen anyone trying stupid power-plays. | 20:29 |
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| sbalukoff | So, it's usually safe to assume that someone stepping on another's toes has not done so maliciously. | 20:30 |
| dougwig | i made this statement earlier, "committee or not, the person ultimately responsible for keeping bp's up to date is the PTL, and until we have an election, that's stephen." and what i hear xgerman saying is that no, the bp owner has more priority than the PTL. i don't agree with that. | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | +1 dougshelley66 | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | dougwig, | 20:30 |
| TrevorV | my bad lulz | 20:30 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:30 |
| xgerman | dougwig, I am saying that we should consult with the blueprint owner and ultimately the PTL decides | 20:31 |
| rm_work | yeah, PTL needs the power to update BPs | 20:31 |
| rm_work | at LEAST on priority, timing, etc | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: I would add to that that in the absence of the PTL, a quorum of core devs (ie. +2 people) can also arbitrate disputes, eh. | 20:31 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: that's just a slower process with the same end result. if both parties assume the best intentions of the other, a required pre-consult is just a synchronous point. | 20:31 |
| TrevorV | I don't think re-prioritizing a blue-print stops the work-flow from a blueprint owner, does it? | 20:31 |
| rm_work | just because you own the BP doesn't mean you can give it high priority and fix it to kilo-1 | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | Really, I'm not actually interested in bringing down my iron fist-- you will see that I almost always will ask for others' input. | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | (hopefully you have seen that from me.) | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | +1 rm_work | 20:32 |
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| sbalukoff | I'm mostly after trying to keep up velocity in making decisions | 20:32 |
| rm_work | now, I don't think the PTL can go in and change your DESIGN for the BP anyway, since that's in a review in octavia-specs :P | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | I think blue-print owner should only control the blueprint content, not its relation to the project... Maybe that's just me | 20:32 |
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| rm_work | the launchpad BP doesn't actually contain anything in depth anyway, all of the content is in gerrit/git :) | 20:33 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: That's true as far as designs are concerned. | 20:33 |
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| rm_work | most BPs in Launchpad are just "who owns this, what's the title, what's the priority, what's the milestone, and where are the links to gerrit" >_> | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | Really: launchpad is such a crappy system for managing this that I intend to move to Storyboard the moment it's sanctioned. So any actual content we care deeply about should be in other systems. | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | And designs, especially intricate designs, should always go through a gerrit review. | 20:34 |
| xgerman | well, there might be a migration tool :-) | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I highly doubt it. | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | But that's neither here nor there. | 20:35 |
| blogan | lets write it | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | The point is that launchpad is *not* a good system for doing reviews. | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | gerrit is. | 20:35 |
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| rm_work | let's NOT write it >_> | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | launchpad is also a terrible place to have a discussion. | 20:35 |
| rohara | haha | 20:35 |
| dougwig | well, launchpad or storyboard are just management tools. and any organization of such requires communication with the devs. we're just diving into the weeds on the details of how that communication happens; there's really nothing in either tool that a dev should care much about. just the manager in question. | 20:35 |
| xgerman | there he is johnsom... | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | And... crap, I started ranting about launchpad. Sorry. | 20:36 |
| blogan | i have one word, incubator | 20:36 |
| blogan | begin rant | 20:36 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: dictators aren't ever sorry. you are bad at this. | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I will destroy you with fire. | 20:36 |
| xgerman | yeah, and the PTL should not throw blueprints in an incubator | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | ... | 20:36 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: that's more like it! more fire. | 20:36 |
| dougwig | via UDP, no less. | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:36 |
| blogan | load balanced UDP | 20:36 |
| TrevorV | I guess I don't understand our current contention point. | 20:36 |
| dougwig | i move that UDP becomes our godwin's law. | 20:36 |
| blogan | i like godwin's law how it is | 20:37 |
| dougwig | so hitler of you. | 20:37 |
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| xgerman | ok, I am saying we should ask the nlueprint owner first before making changes -- dougwig says that takes too much time | 20:37 |
| blogan | invoked! | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, so... let's wrap this one up: Does anything have anything else they'd like to discuss as far as process or division of responsibility around launchpad blueprints that isn't covered in the e-mail I wrote? | 20:37 |
| johnsom_ | Oye, more launchpad "discussion" | 20:37 |
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| rm_work | xgerman: changes to WHAT | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | xgerman, do you mean making changes to the blueprint itself, or the priority and release date expectations of the work described by the blueprint? | 20:38 |
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| rm_work | the only thing in Launchpad is assignee, priority, and milestones | 20:38 |
| rm_work | and links to gerrit reviews >_> | 20:38 |
| xgerman | it also has a work list | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Again, I think anyone should feel free to update blueprints, but that they should try to be courteous about it: Make an effort to contact the BP owner and such. | 20:38 |
| rm_work | do people use that? | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | And BP owners need to not feel like other's shouldn't be allowed to do this. | 20:38 |
| xgerman | apparently svalukoff does | 20:38 |
| dougwig | not too much, just unnecessary. when one of my blueprint's changes, i get an email. if it's wrong, i go talk to the PTL. so far, i have a 100% hit rate of not needing to talk to the PTL. | 20:38 |
| rm_work | and I guess if they do, then yeah, why would the PTL ever have reason to change someone else's worklist <_< | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | That is: It's a collaborative system, get over it. :P | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | I have been using the work lists like checklists. | 20:39 |
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| sbalukoff | Not ideal (since it's harder to divvy up a blueprint's work to multiple people obviously that way), but eh... we use the tools we have. :P | 20:39 |
| xgerman | for me courteous means ask first | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I agree in most cases. | 20:40 |
| blogan | can we agree that changing the priority should be the PTL's discretion? | 20:40 |
| xgerman | and then ignore the answer if necessary | 20:40 |
| dougwig | i think he's just saying, "ask first, if not online, make the change, wait for screams." | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | xgerman, it depends. If removing content from a blueprint, that makes sense to talk to the owner. When adding to one, I can't say I agree with consultation first | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Yep. | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Again, my goal is: | 20:40 |
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| sbalukoff | I want to try to empower people. People should not feel like they need permission to do work which brings the project forward. | 20:41 |
| rohara | what there really anything in the last round of blueprint changes that was that contentious? | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: Only the work items I added to the blueprint that johnsom owns. | 20:41 |
| rohara | i see | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | And that was mostly because it was unclear how I was trying to use the blueprinting system. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Which again, I hope I've sufficiently clarified in that e-mail. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | I'll get the contents of that e-mail added to a wiki. | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | action that up sbalukoff | 20:42 |
| dougwig | rohara: this conversation isn't really about blueprints; it's about governance, but we're dancing around it. | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Since, it's clear this will probably come up again, and we need a living document to make sure we can evolve our process as appropriate. | 20:42 |
| * TrevorV thinks dougwig dances like a fairy | 20:42 | |
| sbalukoff | #action sbalukoff to add contents of blueprint process e-mail to wiki | 20:43 |
| rohara | dougwig: yeah i am picking up on that. its all good. | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: You're correct. | 20:43 |
| xgerman | yeah, there is the part were we want to be nice and then theres the part who owns the decision | 20:43 |
| xgerman | I think we are clear on the later | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Yep, and the answer to the former is two part: | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | 1. For the person wanting to do work: Try to check with the person currently working on the problem first, but feel free to do work if you don't hear back. | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | 2. If you're the person working on something: Try not to take it personally if someone steps on your toes. | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | We're trying to move this train pretty fast, and there are a lot of different personalities and styles of working involved. | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | So, hopefully we can be patient and forgiving with each other-- after all, we are all working toward the same ultimate goal here. | 20:45 |
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| blogan | agreed | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | is it really an ultimate goal, or just a regular one sbalukoff | 20:46 |
| xgerman | yep, and we should keep stepping on peoples toes to a minimum - otherwise I need to bring working boots | 20:46 |
| * blogan steps on xgerman's toes | 20:46 | |
| xgerman | ouch!! I am wearing flip-flops | 20:46 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, folks! | 20:46 |
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| dougwig | udp! udp! | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | So, here's what I would like to see from y'all: | 20:47 |
| xgerman | dougwig, I need some more drinks before talking udp loadbalancing | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Now that I've had time to add and update blueprints and explain myself... | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Please go through them, update them, provide feedback (to me and any owner of the BPs). | 20:48 |
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| sbalukoff | Please also take on one or more of these blueprints if you have time to work on Octavia. | 20:48 |
| johnsom_ | Yeah, I like the "ping the assignee" policy. | 20:48 |
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| sbalukoff | There are a lot of unclaimed things on the list, and even among the claimed things, most of these can be sub-divided into work that people can do asynchronously. | 20:48 |
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| sbalukoff | Let me action item that. | 20:49 |
| johnsom_ | Plus, I already updated mine after the changes | 20:49 |
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| sbalukoff | #action Everyone to go through blueprint list, ask questions, update, and claim unclaimed ones as they are able. | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom_: Yep! Thanks also for your understanding on this (and the discussion we had last week-- it was really enlightening for me.) | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! Anything more on this topic? | 20:50 |
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| sbalukoff | Moving on, then... | 20:51 |
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| sbalukoff | #topic Open Discussion | 20:51 |
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| sbalukoff | Out of curiosity, who all is going to Paris? | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | (I am) | 20:51 |
| rm_work | While I have people: what version(s) of the Keystone API are exposed in your cloud implementations? | 20:51 |
| rohara | moi | 20:51 |
| dougwig | me | 20:51 |
| blogan | ptoohill and I | 20:51 |
| xgerman | me | 20:51 |
| blogan | no one else from rax | 20:52 |
| xgerman | rm_work it seems we have 1.1, 2, and 3 | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: I think we're on version 2 | 20:52 |
| xgerman | 2 is the one we use the most | 20:52 |
| rm_work | xgerman: ok, so all versions are exposed though? | 20:52 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: ok, no v3? | 20:52 |
| rm_work | I think Keystone is technically still v2 but it exposes IdentityAPI v2.0 and v3? | 20:52 |
| xgerman | rm_work you only get to go to paris, TX? | 20:53 |
| dougwig | 2 | 20:53 |
| rm_work | I'm a little fuzzy on it, they were being very confusing | 20:53 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: I think we ought to be able to do that when we're ready to run Octavia in production. | 20:53 |
| rm_work | xgerman: lol yes, I'll road-trip | 20:53 |
| rm_work | ok, so | 20:53 |
| rm_work | I'll ask this again tomorrow in the neutron-lbaas meeting but | 20:53 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: Do we have a choice? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | Is anyone skittish about introducing a hard-requirement for Keystone Identity API v3? | 20:54 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: kindof | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: If we don't have a choice other than v3, that answers our question. :/ | 20:54 |
| rm_work | I think. In some circumstances. | 20:54 |
| rm_work | so, there's a way to use trusts via the APIv2.0? | 20:54 |
| rm_work | but it's worse? (more round-trips) | 20:54 |
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| rm_work | but I am not clear on how that works if Trusts are a new thing? | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: I'm definitely skiddish about that, but if the alternative is to do nasty, nasty things in our code, I'm more in favor of making v3 a requirement. | 20:54 |
| rm_work | maybe that's only if you have v3 available but need to use v2? | 20:54 |
| rm_work | I don't quite understand | 20:55 |
| rm_work | everything about keystone is very unclear, and every time i talk to keystone people i get a different picture of what's going on | 20:55 |
| rohara | can we get clarification on the mailing list? | 20:55 |
| rohara | rm_work: same | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | rohara: +1 | 20:55 |
| rm_work | I'm working on getting a full picture | 20:55 |
| rm_work | I sent some stuff previously on the subject... | 20:56 |
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| rm_work | but nothing about this specific issue | 20:56 |
| rm_work | I'm going to discuss it tomorrow at the meeting | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Did you tag the discussion as keystone on the ML? | 20:56 |
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| rm_work | but | 20:56 |
| rm_work | I'll mail after | 20:56 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds good. | 20:56 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: no, though I did cc a bunch of people including the keystone guy I talked to | 20:56 |
| rohara | adam young? | 20:56 |
| rm_work | yes | 20:57 |
| rohara | yeah | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Keep being persistent, eh. | 20:57 |
| rm_work | yep | 20:57 |
| rohara | le sigh (working on my french) | 20:57 |
| rm_work | ... fire ze missiles? | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | HAHA | 20:57 |
| rohara | haha | 20:57 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, folks, anyone have anything else they'd like to bring before the group? | 20:58 |
| sbalukoff | (You've got about 1 minute) | 20:58 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, y'all. Thanks very much for your participation in this meeting, eh! | 20:59 |
| xgerman | bye | 20:59 |
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| dougwig | bye | 20:59 |
| rm_work | \o | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 1 20:59:56 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-01-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-01-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-10-01-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| jwarendt | Thanks everyone. | 21:00 |
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