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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 14:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| amitry | hello | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | \p> | 14:02 |
| pczesno | hi | 14:02 |
| gmatefi | hi | 14:02 |
| dkusidlo | hi | 14:02 |
| vks | hi | 14:02 |
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| adrian-hoban | Hello | 14:02 |
| ajo | hi :) | 14:02 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:02 |
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| wznoinsk | hi | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | #topic action items from last week | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last week (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:03 | |
| sgordon | i dont see ijw yet so will skip his | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #info mkoderer was to define scope of OpenStack HA use case clearly | 14:03 |
| ian_ott | hi | 14:03 |
| aveiga | o/ | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #info sgordon was to request git repo via infra | 14:03 |
| ralfT | hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #info sgordon to request git repo via infra | 14:04 |
| sgordon | so | 14:04 |
| vks | so is it up? | 14:04 |
| sgordon | i haven't requested a git repo yet | 14:04 |
| sgordon | as mkoderer pointed out we haven't actually had any feedback on the original test review | 14:04 |
| sgordon | other than the thread on operators list that went well off topic | 14:04 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152940/1 | 14:04 |
| sgordon | i did add some info to the wiki | 14:05 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#Reviewing_Use_Cases | 14:05 |
| adrian-hoban | If it helps, I'm just starting to review the SBC use case now... | 14:05 |
| sgordon | it does! | 14:05 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | i think going down that path makes sense, but we do need people to try it out and see if it makes sense for them too | 14:06 |
| raul__ | hi | 14:06 |
| sgordon | (adding comments etc. directly in gerrit) | 14:06 |
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| vks | i have a question, are we trying to move ahead with SBC exclusively for now? | 14:07 |
| sgordon | we're using it to trial the mechanism for reviewing | 14:07 |
| sgordon | if that is successful i will import the others too | 14:08 |
| vks | ok | 14:08 |
| vks | implementation??? | 14:08 |
| sgordon | basically i want to make sure creating launchpad accounts and reviewing using gerrit isn't too hard for anyone | 14:08 |
| sgordon | implementation comes afterwards, we cant implement if we dont agree on the use case | 14:08 |
| sgordon | and the requirements derived from it | 14:09 |
| vks | ok | 14:09 |
| vks | i assume we will be focussing on single site first. correct me if i am wrong | 14:09 |
| aveiga | vks: the use cases are our way of getting input on requirements from non-developers | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | vks, yes that's correct | 14:10 |
| aveiga | then we can do gap analysis on them and provide useful blueprints for implementation | 14:10 |
| vks | aveiga, thats correct | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | so that i have names against the action item | 14:11 |
| sgordon | who else is will to try add some comments to the SBC review this week to prove out the mechanism? | 14:11 |
| sgordon | i have myself and adrian-hoban as lucky volunteers so far | 14:11 |
| cloudon | I'll give it a shot too | 14:12 |
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| ian_ott | i will as well | 14:12 |
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| vks | well i will ask some questions to u guys ;) | 14:12 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon, adrian-hoban, cloudon, ian_ott, vks to review SBC use case and leave comments in Gerrit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152940/1 | 14:13 |
| sgordon | vks, that's fine - and really the idea :) | 14:13 |
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| sgordon | so there were a few other discussion items i wanted to get to | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, pczesno i believe these are yours - particularly that Nova FFE? | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | #topic Nova FFE request for libvirt vhostuser | 14:14 |
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| pczesno | sgordon: yes, we would like to ask for support | 14:14 |
| sgordon | so what is unclear to me at the moment, is if *any* nova FFEs will be granted | 14:15 |
| pczesno | sgordon: the vhostuser support was on the table since juno | 14:15 |
| sgordon | for things that aren't on the nova priorities list | 14:15 |
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| pczesno | sgordon: yes that remains to be seen | 14:16 |
| sgordon | the feeling at the midcycle seemed to be a clear no | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | but there are sponsors etc. signing up to things on the M/L | 14:16 |
| pczesno | currently we have nonw | 14:16 |
| pczesno | none | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056312.html | 14:17 |
| sgordon | #info Nova vhostuser FFE request requires support | 14:17 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:17 |
| pczesno | thanks | 14:17 |
| sgordon | so | 14:17 |
| sgordon | not directly related, but since you and adrian-hoban_ are here | 14:18 |
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| sgordon | i got asked about sriov ci yesterday | 14:18 |
| adrian-hoban_ | :-) | 14:18 |
| sgordon | do you happen to know current status? | 14:18 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Just posted an update to the mailing list | 14:18 |
| sgordon | #topic sr-iov ci | 14:18 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | Mail subject was: "Testing NUMA, CPU pinning and large pages" | 14:18 |
| sgordon | ah yes | 14:19 |
| sgordon | thanks for that | 14:19 |
| adrian-hoban_ | np | 14:19 |
| sgordon | i think the other concern was simply that someone be reporting into the nova meetings | 14:19 |
| sgordon | i attend them most weeks if you need a relay | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056583.html | 14:19 |
| sgordon | but ideally it would be someone actually running it | 14:19 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056583.html | 14:20 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | We'll have a guy at it next week (Ireland friendly time) | 14:20 |
| sgordon | cool | 14:20 |
| sgordon | thanks for that | 14:21 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Look out for "wznoinsk" on the chat... | 14:21 |
| sgordon | #info Adrian provided SR-IOV/NFV CI update to M/L and will have someone attending Nova meeting next week. | 14:21 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:21 |
| sgordon | i did not have anything else for this week, if we get some input on that review then hopefully we can go ahead and create a repo | 14:22 |
| sgordon | #topic repo naming | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | i was going to suggest the super original telcowg-usecases | 14:22 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Before we move past the CI for NFV.... | 14:22 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | Was going to ask for some feedback on our coverage from this team | 14:22 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Across our NFV CIs we plan on covering PCIe + SR-IOV + NUMA (CPU & I/O) + CPU Pinning + Huge Pages + networking-ovs-dpdk (mech driver) | 14:23 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Any gaps in that list for Kilo? | 14:23 |
| aveiga | I have a question there | 14:23 |
| sgordon | sure | 14:23 |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:23 |
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| aveiga | how far out is port security? | 14:23 |
| cloudon | large pages? | 14:23 |
| cloudon | sorry, strike that | 14:24 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban_, that is good to my understanding | 14:24 |
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| sgordon | aveiga, you mean the ml2 port security extensions tuff? | 14:24 |
| aveiga | sgordon: yes | 14:24 |
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| sgordon | so iirc that was what ijw had said he was going to check in on | 14:25 |
| adrian-hoban_ | sgordon: Thanks | 14:25 |
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| aveiga | considering a lot of the devices that can do SR-IOV also support some type of OVS model on the card to handle things like L2 mappings | 14:25 |
| ijw | I was? | 14:25 |
| aveiga | it would be nice to see if they can work together | 14:25 |
| ijw | My ears are burning | 14:25 |
| vks | adrian-hoban_, so all the listed ones got implemented | 14:25 |
| vks | ? | 14:25 |
| sgordon | yeah you made the mistake of volunteering yourself last week | 14:25 |
| sgordon | <aveiga> how far out is port security? | 14:25 |
| sgordon | <cloudon> large pages? | 14:25 |
| sgordon | whoops | 14:25 |
| sgordon | ijw_ checking with Sweta if any blocking issues on ML2 port security | 14:25 |
| ijw | Let me check my email, I sent one in the meeting and forget the answer | 14:25 |
| ijw | OK - apparently I didn't hit send, sorry. Let me actually check the BP right now | 14:26 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/ml2-ovs-portsecurity,n,z | 14:27 |
| adrian-hoban_ | vks: Some good progress with NUMA (CPU & I/O), CPU pinning, huge pages all part of kilo-2. Not much movement on SR-IOV. The new mech driver for ovs-dpdk-netdev is making good progress too. | 14:27 |
| aveiga | sgordon: thanks | 14:27 |
| sgordon | np | 14:28 |
| sgordon | couple more comments since last week | 14:29 |
| sgordon | no changes to the patch itself tho | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | ok | 14:30 |
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| sgordon | #topic repo naming | 14:30 |
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| sgordon | i was going to suggest the super original telcowg-usecases | 14:31 |
| sgordon | any objections? | 14:31 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: that's fine | 14:32 |
| vks | sgordon, can we have meeting at this time every week?? | 14:32 |
| vks | if no one has problem | 14:32 |
| sgordon | ijw might kill me | 14:32 |
| ijw | I would never do that. | 14:32 |
| ijw | I have people for that. | 14:32 |
| sgordon | basically we alternate to ensure we can cater to a variety of time zones | 14:32 |
| vks | ok | 14:32 |
| sgordon | as we have a broad spread of contributors | 14:32 |
| sgordon | i manage to do both since they are at opposite ends of my work day to try and provide some continuity | 14:33 |
| sgordon | we did used to meet at this time every week but there was a lot of feedback to offer another option | 14:33 |
| vks | ijw, 1800UTC or 1900UTC ??? | 14:33 |
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| ijw | vks: 1800UTC would be fine, but the point with the meeting times was to catch China one way and here and points west the other | 14:35 |
| adrian-hoban_ | vks: Are the two time slots that we have now not suitable? | 14:36 |
| ijw | sgordon: Shweta's changes seem to be moving - there's quite a lot of review comments but they're the good sort | 14:36 |
| vks | 2200UTC is problem. | 14:37 |
| aveiga | unfortunately no matter what we pick, some people will not be able to make all the meetings | 14:38 |
| aveiga | that's why we alternate | 14:38 |
| vks | ok np | 14:38 |
| mkoderer_cloud | sgordon: how do we want to call the launchpad group? just telcowg? | 14:38 |
| aveiga | if we moved the 2200 meetings up four hours, you'll be waking people in East Asia up at 4 AM | 14:38 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, or openstack-telcowg? | 14:39 |
| mkoderer_cloud | sgordon: ok also fine | 14:39 |
| sgordon | ijw, yeah that sounds good | 14:39 |
| mkoderer_cloud | I will give an internal workshop to teach ppl "how to review" | 14:40 |
| mkoderer_cloud | maybe I can invite more ppl and put it to ML | 14:40 |
| sgordon | yeah, i am happy to help with that as well | 14:40 |
| ijw | vks: the idea is that even missing every other meeting there should be enough people in common to get the work done | 14:40 |
| sgordon | #info repo name will be telcowg-usecases | 14:40 |
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| vks | no issues | 14:41 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, so are you creating the lp group etc.? | 14:41 |
| mkoderer_cloud | sgordon: I am a bit busy currently.. but I can do | 14:41 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | just let me know what you can do and i will pick up the rest | 14:42 |
| sgordon | just want to avoid duplicating effort | 14:42 |
| mkoderer_cloud | sgordon: ok sounds great | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | cool | 14:42 |
| sgordon | #action mkoderer and sgordon to work together on LP and repo creation | 14:42 |
| sgordon | #topic other discussion | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | did anyone have anything else they would like to raise today? | 14:43 |
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| cloudon | would like to flag mkoderer's (I think) etherpad on orchestration @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telco_orchestration | 14:43 |
| cloudon | have added comments on my view of how OpenStack sits with the ETSI NFV orchestration model, particularly on the implications of the NFV Orchestrator spanning multiple clouds | 14:43 |
| cloudon | may be surprising/controversial to some, so interested in feedback | 14:43 |
| cloudon | net is it identifies Heat with the NFV VNFM component, and lists some gaps I see it having for that role | 14:43 |
| mkoderer_cloud | cloudon: yeah we need to move forward with that disucssion in general | 14:44 |
| mkoderer_cloud | cloudon: I think we should transform it to a "use case" and do a review | 14:44 |
| vks | cloudon, i can help | 14:44 |
| sgordon | #info cloudon flagged some comments on orchestration @ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telco_orchestration | 14:45 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer_cloud +1 | 14:45 |
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| mkoderer_cloud | sgordon: regarding HA topic | 14:47 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Will we hold on it landing in gerrit before reviewing then? | 14:47 |
| mkoderer_cloud | sgordon: there are some ppl very instressted on that. I will work together with them in the next weeks | 14:48 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer_cloud, ack | 14:48 |
| sgordon | thanks | 14:48 |
| mkoderer_cloud | I will put everything in here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telcowg-usecase-openstack-ha | 14:48 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telcowg-usecase-openstack-ha | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | #action mkoderer to continue working on HA user case | 14:50 |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | #action mkoderer to continue working on HA use case | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | ok | 14:52 |
| sgordon | thank you all for your time | 14:52 |
| sgordon | lots of good items today... | 14:53 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 14:53:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-11-14.01.html | 14:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-11-14.01.txt | 14:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-02-11-14.01.log.html | 14:53 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | /waiting for others to join | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Shall we start or still wait? | 16:02 |
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| banix | hi | 16:03 |
| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 16:03:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Hopefully more people will join as we go along | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements: | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Kilo-2 is out | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | FPF for Kilo is approaching - March 5th | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | keep this in mind if you plan on proposing anything new in Kilo release | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | I do not have any other announcements - does anybody have any? | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 decomposition discussion | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | We had a very healthy discussion last week | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | I wanted to report that I completed the switchover to stackforge for the Arista Driver | 16:08 |
| rkukura | have we made any progress documenting how to decompose? | 16:08 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: +1 | 16:08 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: including CI? | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I plan on adding something to document | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Yes - it is all done | 16:09 |
| shivharis | cool +1, i am focused on CI at this time | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | Since I implemented the CI by myself (did not use infra provided zuul framework), it is very easy for me to enhance | 16:10 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: CI on the neutron side or stackforge side? | 16:10 |
| shivharis | neutron+stackforge | 16:10 |
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| shivharis | i.e.: | 16:11 |
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| shivharis | neutron with stackforge of your driver | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | I chatted with Armando about the documentation - he suggested to add to https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/devref/contribute.rst | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | If anybody needs any help or clarification, feel free to ping me - I will be happy to help | 16:12 |
| shivharis | i will also add to this if i see holes to be covered | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | you can see Arista code by simply invoking "sudo pip install networking_arista" | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: cool | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on the decomposition? | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 sync - Task Flow | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: are you here? | 16:15 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: posted update to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154333/ | 16:16 |
| manishg | hi | 16:16 |
| manishg | I started with this patch | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev | I do not if folks have had a chance to look at it | 16:16 |
| manishg | there is still bunch of stuff to add. | 16:16 |
| manishg | I hope to have the async part done today or tomorrow. | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I stated to look at it did not understand the mock1/2 stuff - other was reasonably clear | 16:17 |
| rkukura | manishg: Since most of us aren’t very familiar with TaskFlow, can you summarize how TaskFlow is used in this so far? | 16:17 |
| manishg | mock1/2 is just a sample set of drivers that shows how you can split | 16:17 |
| manishg | tasks in a driver. | 16:17 |
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| manishg | and it shows some of the reverting mechanism. | 16:17 |
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| manishg | so the driver can split tasks internally any which way. | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: So, those will become tests ? | 16:18 |
| manishg | will add more documentation | 16:18 |
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| manishg | no those are just samples in PoC | 16:18 |
| manishg | those won't really go in patch - but it's just to give an idea on how one could break a driver | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | I see - please add some documentation - that will help | 16:18 |
| manishg | if they wanted to | 16:18 |
| manishg | sure | 16:18 |
| manishg | need to add a lot more | 16:18 |
| HenryG | Maybe name them example1/2 instead of mock. | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG: +1 | 16:19 |
| manishg | HenryG: sounds good. will do. | 16:19 |
| manishg | here are the steps I'm thinking of : | 16:19 |
| manishg | 1) same as current, except revert etc. is easier (with taskflow) | 16:19 |
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| manishg | 2) add db changes (for intermediate states) | 16:20 |
| manishg | 3) add async part | 16:20 |
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| rkukura | manishg: In the normal case, does TaskFlow call the execute() and then post_execute() methods on each MD? Does it do this after the REST call may have returned? | 16:20 |
| manishg | 4) persistence - so if process dies tasks can be resumed | 16:20 |
| manishg | rkukura: post-execute is always called (it's mainly for cleanup etc. if needed). re REST call | 16:21 |
| manishg | I need to make it async first. (#3 above). | 16:21 |
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| manishg | the issue is that there needs to be an intermediate state for meaningful failure handling | 16:21 |
| manishg | in async case. | 16:21 |
| rkukura | manishg: So right now, the calls to .run() run them synchronously? | 16:21 |
| manishg | yeah. so it just gives an idea of some change. | 16:22 |
| manishg | I could replace .run() with executor.submit(eng.run) | 16:22 |
| manishg | and it will make it async | 16:22 |
| manishg | but it won't be perfect as exception handling won't be that clear (revert etc) | 16:22 |
| HenryG | manishg: This is post-Kilo work, right? | 16:23 |
| rkukura | manishg: Is see. Thanks. | 16:23 |
| manishg | Do we all agree on the intermediate states part? | 16:23 |
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| manishg | HenryG: probably. we want to explore some ways to solve this problem. and I suspect | 16:23 |
| manishg | that API/ RPC split will also have an impact on this | 16:23 |
| manishg | which is kilo-3 now, right? | 16:24 |
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| manishg | I think kevinbenton hasn't put out a patch yet for the pecan work. | 16:24 |
| rkukura | manishg: By intermediate states do you mean that there would be creating/updating/deleting states until all tasks for these complete? | 16:24 |
| manishg | yeah, if we make it async then the idea is we want to do the db update (after validation) and then mark it as 'in-progress' (creating, etc.) | 16:25 |
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| manishg | and then dispatch tasks to drivers. | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: new neutron API will be introducing intermediate states - will this not align with those? | 16:25 |
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| manishg | we could have an intermediate table (or let taskflow handle that) where each driver state is maintained until successful. | 16:25 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: yeah. that's why I had stopped work on this earlier (due to API/ RPC split) | 16:26 |
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| manishg | which would basically split all API work into - db related update and the actual work (which can be async and could be done on another node) | 16:26 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Is “new neutron API” part of the pecan BP? | 16:27 |
| manishg | rkukura: yes. | 16:27 |
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| manishg | + there is another spec (by salvatore) about object model. | 16:27 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I am not absolutely sure about it - but, my guess is yes | 16:27 |
| HenryG | Sorry, what is the "API/RPC split"? | 16:27 |
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| manishg | HenryG: I'm refering to the pecan and object-model work. this was discussed in | 16:27 |
| manishg | paris and mid-cycle. | 16:28 |
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| HenryG | manishg: thanks | 16:28 |
| manishg | The idea that mark had mentioned that REST call shouldn't be waiting for the backend | 16:28 |
| manishg | which can take a while. | 16:28 |
| manishg | similar requirements for ML2 as well as LBaaS | 16:29 |
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| manishg | LBaaS is using taskflow (based on last chat with one of the devs) | 16:29 |
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| manishg | they have very similar requirements but don't have postcommit, etc. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: So, then what is the concern about intermediate states - that you asked earlier? This should align well, right? | 16:29 |
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| manishg | rkukura: with the async part, we'll need to track the state of each mech driver. I was thinking that could be another table (which will hold interim states of each driver given a resource-id + operation) | 16:30 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: no concern. just wanted to make sure we are in sync | 16:30 |
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| shivharis | manishg: are these tasks thread safe? will they potentially run in parallel | 16:31 |
| rkukura | manishg: Something like that may be needed | 16:31 |
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| manishg | shivharis: yes. they can run in parallel (it is up to us). for example, | 16:31 |
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| manishg | within a driver you could generate a set of tasks to complete the job. and they maybe serial or parallel. | 16:32 |
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| rkukura | manishg: I think your current patch is a great start, and will enable more concrete discussion of the next steps. | 16:32 |
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| manishg | ok, cool. will add more and add lot more documentation :) | 16:32 |
| manishg | including about thoughts on future work | 16:32 |
| manishg | sounds good? | 16:32 |
| shivharis | manishg: +1 | 16:32 |
| rkukura | manishg: +1 | 16:32 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg: +1 | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | Look forward to clear documentation, manishg | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | Folks, anything else on this topic? | 16:33 |
| manishg | The link to patch is on agenda. please add yourself as reviewer. | 16:33 |
| rkukura | I’ll review, and also need to review the related kilo specs. | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | I already started to review it an got lost with mock1/2 :-):-) | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | shall we move on? | 16:35 |
| manishg | I'll replace mock with example (my bad, thanks for suggestion HenryG). | 16:35 |
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| * Sukhdev waiting for any more comments before moving on | 16:35 | |
| manishg | let's move on. if you have comments please comment on the patch. | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: ML2 Extension Driver API enhancements | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | Is Shweta here ? | 16:35 |
| shwetaap | yea | 16:36 |
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| shwetaap | so my patch for the extension driver is here | 16:36 |
| shwetaap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152759/4 | 16:36 |
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| shwetaap | i have a question regarding the extend_xxx_dict method in driver_api | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | Note that this is needed for the PortSecuity BP implementation, which is trying to re-use the portsecurity_db mixin code via an ML2 extension driver. | 16:37 |
| shwetaap | the existing implementation passes the db session to the method | 16:37 |
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| Sukhdev | I have not had a chance to review this yet | 16:39 |
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| shwetaap | Although when it is called in https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/plugin.py | 16:39 |
| rkukura | I’ve been reviewing this one, and see that the existing ED API doesn’t work well with the existing portsecurity_db code. | 16:39 |
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| shivharis | if you pass the session, then the extension driver must be very quick in whatever it needs to do... right? | 16:40 |
| rkukura | And I am convinced that some non-backwards-compatible changes to the ED API are needed to enable this. The other option would be to not re-use the portsecurity_db code. | 16:40 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: These ED calls are made within transactions - they are intended to move data between dicts and DB models. | 16:41 |
| shivharis | rkukura: ok | 16:41 |
| shwetaap | i could pass the session i guess, but the function _ml2_md_extend_network_dict(self, result, netdb): in plugin.py also has the netdb variable that is never made use of | 16:41 |
| shwetaap | in the existing implementation | 16:41 |
| shwetaap | do we leave that as is? | 16:41 |
| rkukura | Basic question to me seems to be whether breaking existing EDs is a concern. | 16:42 |
| yamahata | what's the existing EDs? | 16:43 |
| rkukura | If we agree ED API enhancements are needed and acceptilble, then we can worry about the details. | 16:43 |
| yamahata | so far I don't know any. | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | I don’t see any EDs in-tree. | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | If what yamahata says is true - then this seems to be slam dunk - but, seems too good to be true :-):-) | 16:45 |
| rkukura | I know Cisco’s DFA driver plans to use one, but isn’t merged. | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: So, if one or two cases are impacted, it may be easier to coordinate with them - it may not be too bad | 16:46 |
| rkukura | The GBP code also supports a similar ED API, but we can update that if it makes sense. | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | So one enhancement is basically to pass plugin_context in place of, or in addition to, the DB session. | 16:46 |
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| rkukura | And the other is to pass the base resource’s model instance to the extend_dict functions. | 16:47 |
| shwetaap | both these changes are in my current patch | 16:48 |
| rkukura | One thoughts was that some or all the ED methods should take some sort of ML2 Context objects so they can be extended in the future without breaking drivers. | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | Similar to the PortContext, NetworkContext, and SubnetContext we pass to MDs. | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | I’d suggest we discuss via the gerrit review, and move on. | 16:50 |
| shwetaap | ok | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: Can you add this as review comments to the patch and let others review the patch along with you comments and hopefully get to some resolution | 16:50 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: will do | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on this patch? | 16:51 |
| shwetaap | no | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Bugs | 16:51 |
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| shivharis | hi | 16:51 |
| shivharis | we need help in reviews | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: what say you, sir | 16:52 |
| shivharis | for:https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1179223 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1179223 in neutron "Retired GRE and VXLAN tunnels persists in neutron db" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Romil Gupta (romilg) | 16:52 |
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| shivharis | can i seek some volunteers here? | 16:52 |
| manishg | shivharis: I'll try to review this week. | 16:52 |
| rkukura | I’ve been reviewing this one, and will review the latest patch set. | 16:53 |
| nlahouti | shivharis:I can help | 16:53 |
| Sukhdev | I will look at it as well | 16:53 |
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| shivharis | manishg, rkukura, Sikhdev, nlahouti: thanks | 16:53 |
| shivharis | other high bugs seem to be all in good hands | 16:53 |
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| manishg | rkukura, HenryG, romilg thanks for reviewing this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124917/ - can we get another core to review? | 16:53 |
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| shivharis | moving forward, i hope all the vendor specific bugs will move to stackforge as well? | 16:54 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Not until L… release | 16:54 |
| shivharis | i usually do not worry too much about those now | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Happy to report that one of Arista driver bug has already been diverted to stackforge | 16:55 |
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| shivharis | please pick up some medium non-vendor specific bugs if you can | 16:56 |
| rkukura | shivharis: I hope to get the next step of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152759/ out for review before next weeks meeting | 16:56 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thanks that is k-3 | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: yes - the first part made k-2 | 16:56 |
| shivharis | yes, thanks rkukura | 16:57 |
| * Sukhdev time check 3 min. | 16:57 | |
| Sukhdev | Anything else on bugs> | 16:57 |
| shivharis | overall we look fairly good for ml2 bugs at this time. thanks folks for the efforts | 16:57 |
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| shivharis | moving on... | 16:57 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody has anything? | 16:58 |
| * Sukhdev waiting | 16:58 | |
| rkukura | shivharis: Do you feel the current bug importance setting are reasonable? | 16:58 |
| shivharis | rkukura: seems to be looking fine, no show stoppers per se | 16:59 |
| rcurran | anyone using linuxbridge MD + another MD that requires context.bound_segment info? | 16:59 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: not me | 16:59 |
| rcurran | finding that once port['status'] leaves DOWN state that bound_segment is None | 16:59 |
| rcurran | this isn't happening w/ openvswitch | 16:59 |
| rkukura | rcurran: Sounds like a bug | 17:00 |
| rcurran | (actually I'm using rkukura's HPB code so I'm accessing via top/bottom_bound_segment's | 17:00 |
| HenryG | rcurran: Do you suspect a bug in the LB MD? | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | rcurran: Open a bug and attach your finidings | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks we are up against the clock | 17:01 |
| rkukura | rcurran: The MDs are trivial and share the same base code. Could be difference in agent RPC behaviour. | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | Thank you all for joining | 17:01 |
| rcurran | rkukura, looks that way | 17:01 |
| rkukura | Thanks Sukhdev! | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks | 17:01 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 17:01:55 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-11-16.03.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-11-16.03.txt | 17:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-11-16.03.log.html | 17:02 |
| shivharis | thanks,, bye all | 17:02 |
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| rkukura | bye | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | hey | 17:02 |
| GLaupre | bye | 17:02 |
| mugsie | whos here? | 17:02 |
| rjrjr | o/ | 17:02 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:02 |
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| vinod1 | o/ | 17:02 |
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| GLaupre | \.o./ | 17:02 |
| vinod1 | mugsie - do you want to do a a start meeting? | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 17:02:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:03 |
| mugsie | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last week (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:03 | |
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| mugsie | both seem to have been done - we met last firday, and bug triage is on the agenda :) | 17:03 |
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| mugsie | #topic Kilo Release Status | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Release Status (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:04 | |
| mugsie | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-3 | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | anything that should not be there / should be there / issues with the current milestone? | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | also, Kiall is currently on his way home - we were on the West coast of Ireland for meetings the last 3 days | 17:05 |
| mugsie | so he may join in a bit, if he gets home in time | 17:05 |
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| timsim | Probably nothing yet to add to k3. I | 17:06 |
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| timsim | If you're working on something that's not in there, add it yeah? | 17:06 |
| rjrjr | paul_glass: did you get a chance to open a bug on your issue last week? | 17:06 |
| mugsie | timsim: +1 | 17:06 |
| mugsie | anything else on this? | 17:07 |
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| paul_glass | rjrjr: I couldn't reproduce it. | 17:08 |
| paul_glass | so no | 17:08 |
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| rjrjr | okay. | 17:08 |
| timsim | We're good then. | 17:08 |
| mugsie | #topic Pools - Where are we? | 17:08 |
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| timsim | I was wondering about the database stuff that got started at the mid-cycle. Where's that at? | 17:09 |
| mugsie | i think we are in a simliar place as last week - anyone have anything pressing for this? I saw patches from rjrjr | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | timsim: same as the mid cycle :( | 17:09 |
| mugsie | this is on my list for this / early next week | 17:09 |
| mugsie | myself and Kiall are finally back in an office | 17:09 |
| timsim | Cool. Is that patch for resiliency ready to review/merge rjrjr ? | 17:09 |
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| rjrjr | i have 2 bugs i'll be working on early next week. looks like vinod1 also has some bugs. | 17:09 |
| rjrjr | that patch has been ready for almost 2 weeks now. | 17:10 |
| mugsie | (i have spend more time in hotels than my own house in the last 6 weeks :( ) | 17:10 |
| rjrjr | :( | 17:10 |
| timsim | That's what I thought. | 17:10 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: I will add it to my list for the morning | 17:10 |
| mugsie | what is the review number? | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | rjrjr: I will look at it later today | 17:10 |
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| timsim | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149428/ | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149428/ | 17:10 |
| vinod1 | mugsie: while you are in the review mode - could you also review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148779/ | 17:11 |
| mugsie | #action cores: (mugsie,Kiall,vinod1): get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149428/ merged | 17:11 |
| mugsie | vinod1: +1 | 17:11 |
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| vinod1 | That is for Adding a new API for abandoning a zone from storage | 17:11 |
| mugsie | yeah, definitly | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | that looked good the last time, I just hadn;t tested it locally yet :) | 17:11 |
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| mugsie | anything else outstanding on this? | 17:12 |
| timsim | Not from me. | 17:12 |
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| rjrjr | i'm good. | 17:12 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:12 |
| mugsie | #topic Next sprint | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-documentation-sprint | 17:12 |
| timsim | We should probably start claiming stuff on that, yeah? | 17:13 |
| timsim | That's this Friday | 17:13 |
| mugsie | this is next friday, so can people please claim areas this week, so we can get moving stright away | 17:13 |
| mugsie | shit | 17:13 |
| mugsie | it is this friday | 17:13 |
| * mugsie has no concpet of time anymore | 17:13 | |
| mugsie | so, yes, please claim areas today / tomorrow | 17:13 |
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| mugsie | any questions on ^ ? | 17:14 |
| vinod1 | I added some more areas to that doc | 17:14 |
| timsim | Will everyone be there? | 17:14 |
| mugsie | everyone is free to join - old and new contributors alike :) | 17:14 |
| mugsie | I know I will be | 17:15 |
| mugsie | not sure about ekarlso , and I think Kiall should be | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | i will be there | 17:15 |
| rjrjr | i will be there. | 17:15 |
| mugsie | cool. so a reasonably full house | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | mugsie - do you plan to send an email to the openstack-dev mailing list? | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | i hadn't, but that is a good idea | 17:15 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie email -dev list about sprint | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | anyone who has input about our docs feel free to jump on and give feedback as wll | 17:16 |
| mugsie | even if you are not comfortable about contributing changes to them | 17:17 |
| mugsie | anything else on the sprint? | 17:17 |
| timsim | Nope. :) | 17:17 |
| rjrjr | i'm good. | 17:18 |
| mugsie | #topic Elect another core member | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | so, as people may have seen in the dns channel betsy has resigned from core | 17:18 |
| vinod1 | In case anybody missed - Betsy left for another group in Rackspace | 17:18 |
| mugsie | that leaves us with a spot on designate-core | 17:19 |
| mugsie | the traditional openstack way of replacing cores is for someone to send an email to the -dev list nomintating someone | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | I would like to propose Tim for that spot. He has been reviewing code a lot lately | 17:19 |
| mugsie | and the rest of the cores reply +/-1 | 17:19 |
| mugsie | vinod1: cool | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | can you send a nomination email to the list? | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | So do we want to do it the traditional way? | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | Okay I will send a nomination to the list | 17:20 |
| mugsie | I think that as we get more part of openstack we should abide by the forms | 17:20 |
| mugsie | it also makes the whole thing transparent :) | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | is that OK with everyoine? | 17:21 |
| rjrjr | sounds good. | 17:21 |
| timsim | Sounds good. | 17:21 |
| vinod1 | #agreed | 17:21 |
| mugsie | OK, cool :) | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | #topic Bug triage (timsim-recurring) | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | ok, let me get a URL for the bug list | 17:22 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 17:22 |
| mugsie | how do we want to do this? | 17:23 |
| rjrjr | start at the top, one at a time? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | we divide the bugs up? or do we want to run down through each of them? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | ok | 17:23 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1289444 | 17:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1289444 in Designate "Designate with postgres backend is having issues" [Medium,New] | 17:23 |
| timsim | I think usually this would be a smaller list, so going through them one by one is probably fine. | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | i think this can move to Triaged | 17:24 |
| mugsie | (can someone else change the status - I don't have my 2 factor token on me right now) | 17:25 |
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| rjrjr | #agreed | 17:25 |
| timsim | Done. | 17:25 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1412431 | 17:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1412431 in Designate "handling format with a display_name containing underscore" [Undecided,New] | 17:25 |
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| timsim | This seems like a bug in the example sink handler? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:26 |
| mugsie | not sure if a bug, or a doc issue | 17:26 |
| mugsie | as you are not nessiarly supposed to use the example ;) | 17:26 |
| timsim | Yeah | 17:26 |
| timsim | If you're not supposed to use that, it's probably fine not to fix that. | 17:26 |
| mugsie | we could triage it and mark it as wishlist | 17:27 |
| timsim | If that's an issue for you using it, you should solve that issue however you want. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | or close it as won't fix - with a description of ^ | 17:27 |
| rjrjr | i like that approach. | 17:27 |
| mugsie | opinions? | 17:27 |
| vinod1 | I am leaning towards won't fix | 17:28 |
| mugsie | cool - wont fix it is | 17:28 |
| rjrjr | #agreed. | 17:28 |
| timsim | Either one. If you wishlist it, that seems to indicate to me that we're going to supply a handler to use by default. | 17:28 |
| timsim | So I like won't fix. | 17:28 |
| mugsie | timsim: care to do the honours? | 17:28 |
| timsim | Sure | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1413806 | 17:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1413806 in Designate "desigate.plugin.DriverPlugin Hides Errors from Developers" [Undecided,New] | 17:29 |
| vinod1 | timsim: could you add some reasoning too? | 17:29 |
| timsim | vinod1: Yep | 17:29 |
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| mugsie | ^ needs to be triaged, and marked as med IMHO | 17:29 |
| mugsie | medium* | 17:29 |
| rjrjr | #agreed | 17:29 |
| vinod1 | #agreed | 17:30 |
| vinod1 | milestone - kilo3? | 17:30 |
| timsim | #agreed | 17:30 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:30 |
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| timsim | Done | 17:30 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1416263 | 17:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1416263 in Designate "Pool Manager's Periodic Sync Needs to Regress States" [Undecided,New] | 17:31 |
| rjrjr | agreeable group today. | 17:31 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:31 |
| rjrjr | high or critical probably. definitely kilo-3. | 17:31 |
| mugsie | high - k3 IMHO | 17:31 |
| timsim | So this is basically, zone is out of sync, periodic sync calls update_status? | 17:31 |
| timsim | k3 high works for me | 17:32 |
| rjrjr | correct. | 17:32 |
| timsim | We agreed on k3-high? | 17:32 |
| mugsie | vinod1: k3 - high ok with you? | 17:32 |
| rjrjr | #agreed | 17:32 |
| vinod1 | yes | 17:32 |
| mugsie | done | 17:32 |
| mugsie | * not by my | 17:32 |
| mugsie | me* | 17:32 |
| timsim | Done. | 17:33 |
| mugsie | gah | 17:33 |
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| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1416264 | 17:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1416264 in Designate "Pool Manager Needs to Recover from Backend Changes" [Undecided,New] | 17:33 |
| rjrjr | high or critical - kilo-3 | 17:33 |
| mugsie | C - K3 | 17:33 |
| timsim | k3 - high | 17:33 |
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| timsim | I'm cool with Critical too. | 17:34 |
| vinod1 | Ron - is this when a domain is being updated and pool manager discovers that the domain does not exist on the backend | 17:34 |
| rjrjr | correct. | 17:34 |
| mugsie | or sync finds its not on the backend as well right? | 17:34 |
| rjrjr | either case. | 17:34 |
| vinod1 | C - K3 | 17:34 |
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| timsim | Alright, Critical - K3 it is | 17:35 |
| rjrjr | #agreed | 17:35 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:35 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1416337 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1416337 in Designate "Designate server create with concurrent request is not listing all servers even after successful creation." [Undecided,New] | 17:35 |
| mugsie | this needs investigation | 17:35 |
| mugsie | it was said it was intermitent | 17:35 |
| mugsie | has anyone tried to re-create? | 17:35 |
| rjrjr | it underscores our need for more integration testing too. :( | 17:35 |
| timsim | So maybe we leave this one new? | 17:36 |
| mugsie | timsim: yup, thats what I am thining | 17:36 |
| mugsie | until we confirm | 17:36 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: 100% | 17:36 |
| timsim | Alright, hopefully someone takes a look at it in the next week and we can revisit. | 17:37 |
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| mugsie | cool | 17:37 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1418156 | 17:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1418156 in Designate "Policy definition (policy.json) is not honored for admin tenant " [Undecided,New] | 17:37 |
| mugsie | this one is not a bug in my opinion - it is lack of docs about the all_tenants flag for the API | 17:37 |
| timsim | #agreed mugsie | 17:37 |
| rjrjr | #agreed | 17:38 |
| rjrjr | this looks like an eBay reported bug too. | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:38 |
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| timsim | So 'Not A Bug' and a short explanation that the all tenants flag needs to be used there. And we note that on the docs sprint page? | 17:38 |
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| mugsie | +1 | 17:38 |
| vinod1 | +1 | 17:38 |
| mugsie | any issues with ^ ? | 17:38 |
| mugsie | ok, that seems like consensuious | 17:39 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1420359 | 17:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1420359 in Designate "Deleting a recordset returns 204 (Deleted) even though it is async" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Vinod Mangalpally (vinod-mang) | 17:39 |
| mugsie | vinod1: you have a patch for ^ do you not? | 17:39 |
| vinod1 | not yet | 17:40 |
| mugsie | oh | 17:40 |
| mugsie | i thought i saw a patch | 17:40 |
| mugsie | ok. | 17:40 |
| rjrjr | high - kilo-3 | 17:40 |
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| mugsie | med - k3 | 17:40 |
| timsim | med k3 | 17:40 |
| vinod1 | med k3 | 17:40 |
| mugsie | med - k3 | 17:41 |
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| rjrjr | med works | 17:41 |
| mugsie | it is then* | 17:41 |
| timsim | Done | 17:41 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1420399 | 17:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1420399 in Designate "A zone's status needs to be updated when its recordsets are updated" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Vinod Mangalpally (vinod-mang) | 17:41 |
| mugsie | med - k3 / k-rc1 | 17:41 |
| mugsie | if we can get it done in k3 great, but not sure if the time will allow for it | 17:42 |
| vinod1 | med k3 | 17:42 |
| mugsie | opinions? | 17:42 |
| rjrjr | med - k3 | 17:42 |
| rjrjr | these are pretty simple fixes IMHO | 17:42 |
| mugsie | ok, cool - if it can be done - 100% med - k3 | 17:42 |
| vinod1 | i hope to have a patchset up today | 17:42 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:42 |
| timsim | Cool. M K3 it is. | 17:42 |
| rjrjr | #agreed | 17:43 |
| mugsie | and that is the list :) | 17:43 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:43 |
| rjrjr | quick and painless. like the idea of doing these in this meeting. | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | rjrjr: me too | 17:43 |
| mugsie | any one have anthong out of band? | 17:43 |
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| vinod1 | none from me | 17:44 |
| timsim | Not me. | 17:44 |
| mugsie | going... | 17:44 |
| rjrjr | just a comment - we will be live on Designate for some AZs on Monday. | 17:44 |
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| rjrjr | Icehouse though. :( | 17:44 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: congrats :D | 17:44 |
| mugsie | thats OK | 17:44 |
| timsim | Cool! | 17:44 |
| mugsie | another live install is still cool | 17:44 |
| mugsie | anything else? | 17:45 |
| rjrjr | after that, i'll be able to devote more time to PM and other tasks again. | 17:45 |
| rjrjr | i'm good. | 17:46 |
| mugsie | I think we can all agree on saying thanks to betsy for all her work - if the RAX people can pass it along :) | 17:46 |
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| timsim | Absolutely :) | 17:46 |
| vinod1 | will do | 17:46 |
| mugsie | ok - thanks everyone! | 17:47 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 17:47:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-11-17.02.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-11-17.02.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-11-17.02.log.html | 17:47 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 18:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | Hi folks. | 18:00 |
| amrith | o/ | 18:00 |
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| amrith | hiya SlickNik | 18:00 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
| abramley | hi | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda for the meeting is at: | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #topic OSLO Namespace change (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150709/) | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSLO Namespace change (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150709/) (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:03 | |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150709/ | 18:03 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
| edmondk | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | So if I recall correctly, this is one of the follow up items to the mid-cycle agenda. | 18:03 |
| amrith | <paste-bomb> | 18:03 |
| amrith | re: change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150709/ | 18:03 |
| amrith | This change, as presented, is incomplete and should have a hacking rule to prevent a recurrence of this problem. a sample hacking rules is available in neutron. | 18:03 |
| amrith | Other than that, this change may be low risk. | 18:03 |
| amrith | We don't "HAVE TO" take it for kilo but will most likely be forced to take it for "L". | 18:03 |
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| amrith | Question for discussion: Do we want to hold it in abeyance for L or reconsider for Kilo if a proper hacking rules is implemented? | 18:03 |
| amrith | </paste-bomb> | 18:04 |
| annashen | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | My concern during the mid-cycle was how we would ensure we didn't reintroduce this problem with a patch merge — the hacking rules allays that. | 18:05 |
| SlickNik | So I'm of the opinion that we should take this in Kilo, since we're going to have to bite the bullet in Liberty eventually anyway. | 18:05 |
| amrith | SlickNik, yes. I haven't seen what was merged in neutron though. ihar said he wrote it. | 18:05 |
| amrith | not necessarily | 18:06 |
| amrith | doug would like to force this change in L | 18:06 |
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| amrith | but there's no guarantee that it will happen | 18:06 |
| edmondk | Can we define hacking rules, I am not familiar with this term and I am sure many of us are not | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: good question — https://github.com/openstack-dev/hacking/ | 18:06 |
| amrith | they are rules that hackers adhere to. a code of some sort ;) | 18:06 |
| nshah | o/ | 18:07 |
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| edmondk | lol | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | That's a set of style checks that get run along with pep8 checks when you run tox -epep8 on your project | 18:07 |
| edmondk | Basically the openstack style guide | 18:07 |
| edmondk | gotcha | 18:07 |
| edmondk | didnt realize we ran more then pep8 good to know | 18:08 |
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| edmondk | this conversation makes sense now :) | 18:08 |
| amrith | [10:31:29] <dhellmann> amrith: I would *like* to drop namespace packages next cycle | 18:08 |
| amrith | [10:31:37] <dhellmann> amrith: that's not a definite plan, yet | 18:08 |
| amrith | SlickNik, that was from #openstack-oslo | 18:08 |
| amrith | on 02/09 | 18:08 |
| vkmc | this shouldn't be a dangerous change, it has been around for a while now in several projects... and adding the hack file would make it safer | 18:09 |
| edmondk | this doesn't seem like a high priority for kilo | 18:09 |
| edmondk | what does this gain us | 18:09 |
| amrith | edmondk, yes. This remains a nice-to-have and if the change doesn't go into the L release in OSLO, then an unnecessary change. | 18:09 |
| edmondk | besides dhearing to new standard | 18:10 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:10 |
| amrith | edmondk, there's no "new standard" | 18:10 |
| amrith | there's a proposal for a new standard that is not yet finalized | 18:10 |
| edmondk | or recommended standard? | 18:10 |
| edmondk | gotcha | 18:10 |
| vkmc | edmondk, http://blog.nemebean.com/content/whys-and-hows-oslo-namespace-change | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | So in that case, I'd suggest waiting till we know that it is going to be a definite standard. | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | (and a more concrete timeline for when oslo expects this change to be made to the projects) | 18:11 |
| amrith | if that's a formal proposal, I'll second it. | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | Anyone opposed? | 18:13 |
| amrith | . | 18:14 |
| vkmc | sounds good to me | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | Okay — let's move on | 18:14 |
| vkmc | maybe we should ping oslo folks to know what is the deprecation status of the previous namespaces | 18:14 |
| vkmc | and work with that | 18:14 |
| amrith | vkmc, that's something that has been (regularly) on the ml | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | #topic datastore and strategy classification | 18:15 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154119/ | 18:15 |
| amrith | also action item from mid-cycle. | 18:15 |
| vkmc | amrith, cool, I'll check it out | 18:15 |
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| amrith | <paste-bomb> | 18:16 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154119/ | 18:16 |
| amrith | This came up in the mid-cycle and in normal course, this would get reviewed as part of the spec review and action taken based on that. However there is an urgency to get this process accepted and implemented for the Kilo cycle so I am raising this for consideration at the meeting. | 18:16 |
| amrith | I'd like to know if people have questions or comments, and answer any questions now. I'd encourage you to read the spec and provide comments through review as well. | 18:16 |
| amrith | </paste-bomb> | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-kilo-sprint-state-of-ci | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | The main idea here is to be able to communicate to deployers / users what state of CI and testing the various guest managers have undergone. | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: I've given the spec a quick look over, and it generally looks reasonable to me — will update it with some more detailed feedback after the meeting. | 18:21 |
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| edmondk | I would think technical preview is already a superset of experimental so it's not necessary for Stable to say it needs to meet the requirements of technical Preview and experimental? | 18:21 |
| amrith | SlickNik, thanks. | 18:21 |
| vkmc | amrith, it looks really good | 18:21 |
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| dougshelley66 | amrith, I think this spec accurately reflects the discussions last week | 18:22 |
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| dougshelley66 | Can you elaborate on "Testing"? | 18:23 |
| amrith | "T E S T I N G" | 18:23 |
| amrith | sorry | 18:23 |
| amrith | let me look | 18:23 |
| amrith | one second | 18:23 |
| amrith | So I was thinking that with this spec, what changes (materially) is imports | 18:24 |
| amrith | and config files | 18:24 |
| amrith | So in trying this out | 18:24 |
| amrith | I learned that there are places where programmatically one could construct an import statement | 18:24 |
| dougshelley66 | ok so you were referring to specifically testing the dir structure changes, ok | 18:25 |
| amrith | and finding those is harder than searching for 'path names' | 18:25 |
| amrith | yes, that's basically what I was looking for. | 18:25 |
| amrith | can I still build a guest image | 18:25 |
| amrith | are there dependencies into trove-integration | 18:25 |
| amrith | once built, does that guest image work | 18:25 |
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| amrith | what exactly do I have to do in order to upgrade | 18:25 |
| amrith | verify those upgrade processes | 18:25 |
| amrith | that's what I had in mind | 18:25 |
| amrith | now, I may be missing a couple of things. | 18:26 |
| amrith | so input there would be valuable. | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | So one thing that comes to mind is that there are some unit tests for the extensions that we have. | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | Perhaps something equivalent to test the dynamic load of the manager modules would be a good test to add. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | Still working through how exactly that would help in the upgrade scenario though. | 18:28 |
| edmondk | To move out of experimental does the community vote that a specific datastore is ready, or does someone just send out a code review moving it from the experimental directory | 18:28 |
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| edmondk | and switch the CI from non voting to voting | 18:29 |
| amrith | edmondk, I'd say the second is a better approach | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: The latter I would think | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | Once we are convinced that the CI is stable enough and we have the tests that we need that are running in the gate. | 18:30 |
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| edmondk | Ok so moving the code from experimental dir and making the CI voting would be the official sanction | 18:30 |
| edmondk | k | 18:30 |
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| dougshelley66 | right because if anyone has any issues with the change they can comment during review | 18:30 |
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| SlickNik | Any other questions or clarifications regarding this? | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:31 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:32 |
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| amrith | thanks for hosting the mid-cycle Nikhil! | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | Thanks to those who could make it to the mid-cycle last week! | 18:32 |
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| edmondk | SlickNik, Is there an aggregate list of all the tasks from mid cycle? | 18:33 |
| amrith | edmondk, funny you should ask | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | For those who could not make it, and who weren't able to view the hangout sessions live — we do have recorded links to the sessions if you're interested in following the discussions that took place. | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/TroveKiloSprint | 18:33 |
| amrith | edmondk, I added action items to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/TroveKiloSprint | 18:34 |
| edmondk | perfect thanks I see the table | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | edmondk: There's an aggregate list of action items on that page that amrith added too! | 18:34 |
| SlickNik | Thanks amrith! | 18:34 |
| edmondk | thanks for doing that | 18:34 |
| amrith | edmondk, so I assume you are now going to tell me that yu haven't yet done #16, ... | 18:34 |
| amrith | convenient | 18:34 |
| edmondk | working on it | 18:34 |
| amrith | ;) | 18:34 |
| edmondk | dan ritchie is looking into an issue with the configuration group tests being idempotent | 18:35 |
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| SlickNik | I'm making some headway into my action items — will update that list in the wiki as I go along. | 18:36 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik, is now a good time to start with #3 :) | 18:36 |
| amrith | I made the list so I'm all set. | 18:36 |
| amrith | just waiting for y'all to catch up. | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: It's funny you should mention that — I started looking at some stats over the weekend last couple of days. | 18:37 |
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| SlickNik | I should have something by the meeting next week to insert as a regular part of the agenda. | 18:37 |
| amrith | And I did some of #5 | 18:37 |
| amrith | don't know how to share and host as a public resource quite yet | 18:37 |
| amrith | but I have some of that ... | 18:37 |
| edmondk | Added another item for myself, 32 Update python-troveclient documentation | 18:38 |
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| SlickNik | Thanks edmondk | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | If there are any items that you feel we discussed at the mid cycle but have been left out, please add them to the list | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | This is just a dump from the action items in the various etherpads — in one place. | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else for Open Discussion? | 18:42 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 18:43:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-11-18.00.html | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-11-18.00.txt | 18:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-11-18.00.log.html | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | Thanks folks. See you in #openstack-trove | 18:43 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 11 20:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic roll call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:00 |
| sballe__ | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:01 |
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| TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | late | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:02 | |
| Aish | o / | 20:02 |
| ptoohill | Focus on neutron-lbaas for me. | 20:02 |
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| johnsom | I am getting back to working on the controller worker. I have removed the WIP from the spec, so if you can review it would be great. | 20:03 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149801/ | 20:03 |
| mwang2_ | working on health manager database model, have changed based on the comment, now working on the update health method | 20:03 |
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| crc32 | Watching neutron-lbaas bork out on tox during neutron egg installation. | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | So I've been working on the neutron lbaas v2 tempest tests, with franklin and carlos, and have essentially stalled my work on the octavia amphora api | 20:04 |
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| blogan | hi! | 20:04 |
| ptoohill | HP guys may pick up work on the amphora api | 20:04 |
| ptoohill | We (RS) may focus on a ssh-client/agent | 20:04 |
| ptoohill | thing | 20:05 |
| xgerman | ok, sound sgood | 20:05 |
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| ptoohill | atleast according to chats earlier. | 20:05 |
| xgerman | yeah, that's our intention ;-) | 20:05 |
| ptoohill | ;) | 20:05 |
| xgerman | jorgem submitted another patch for the queue-consumer | 20:05 |
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| blogan | xgerman: will yall take over the api spec bp sbalukoff started? | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | well HP will for the REST API right? Someone here at Rax will probably do an SSH driver... as far as I recall | 20:06 |
| xgerman | yep, will do | 20:06 |
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| jorgem | o/ | 20:07 |
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| xgerman | assigned that spec to me for now | 20:07 |
| xgerman | s/spec/blueprint/ | 20:08 |
| xgerman | anything else? | 20:08 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:08 |
| xgerman | moving on... | 20:08 |
| xgerman | #topic Demo Octavia in Neutron LBaaS Talk | 20:08 |
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| blogan | so the plan is to have at least one neutron lbaas talk and in that talk we'll be demoing octavia | 20:09 |
| xgerman | exactly + and we are trying to pull together the missing puzzle pieces | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | The pieces are: | 20:10 |
| xgerman | Amphora Driver | 20:10 |
| xgerman | Network Driver | 20:10 |
| xgerman | Deploy Worke | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | dis we miss anyhting? | 20:10 |
| sballe__ | how about compute driver? | 20:11 |
| dougwig | neutron lbaas driver | 20:11 |
| sballe__ | or is that part of the deploy worker | 20:11 |
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| sballe__ | dougwig: +1 | 20:11 |
| xgerman | sballe__ that one is already merged | 20:11 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:11 |
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| blogan | compute driver is pretty much done i think | 20:11 |
| blogan | btu yeah forgota bout neutron lbaas driver | 20:11 |
| sballe__ | xgerman: Are we only talking about he missing pieces? or all the pieces? | 20:11 |
| blogan | missing | 20:12 |
| sballe__ | ok thx | 20:12 |
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| xgerman | so dougwig any progress on the neutron driver ? | 20:12 |
| xgerman | (it's your piece :-) | 20:13 |
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| blogan | i volunteered for the network driver for this, because phil and I have already dong a run through of neutron and nova calls to set up the appropriate plumbing | 20:13 |
| dougwig | none yet, i've been focused on the lbaas v2 stuff, flavors, and this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154736 | 20:13 |
| dougwig | i will circle back to that driver shortly. | 20:13 |
| blogan | dougwig ill run through what we've done manually if you want | 20:14 |
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| dougwig | let's take that offline | 20:15 |
| blogan | sounds good | 20:16 |
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| xgerman | johnsom + me will do deploy worker | 20:16 |
| jorgem | +1 | 20:17 |
| jorgem | what | 20:17 |
| rm_work | I will be doing reviews! :) | 20:17 |
| jorgem | what's the timeframe on that you think? | 20:17 |
| xgerman | it's high on our list so the next few weeks | 20:17 |
| johnsom | Timeframe for controller worker code? | 20:17 |
| johnsom | What he said. | 20:17 |
| jorgem | xgerman: johnsom: correct | 20:18 |
| johnsom | I hope to have another WIP check in today. | 20:18 |
| jorgem | k I'll check it out. | 20:18 |
| sballe__ | ditto on the review | 20:18 |
| xgerman | leaves the amphora driver -- | 20:19 |
| TrevorV | Oh, you mean the amphora ssh driver? | 20:20 |
| xgerman | I think HP will try an API version whereas RAX will do the ssh driver | 20:20 |
| xgerman | TrevorV yes | 20:20 |
| dougwig | and i will make popcorn and side bets. | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | I would put my name on that, but I'm not entirely sure when I can get to it (tempest testing and all that) | 20:20 |
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| rm_work | eh dougwig already convinced me of the sense in using ssh | 20:21 |
| crc32 | wow. | 20:21 |
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| TrevorV | Alright, I'll take ownership of that one | 20:21 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: +1 | 20:21 |
| rm_work | dougwig: so no bets to be found here, I would think :P | 20:21 |
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| dougwig | i didn't say i wasn't rooting for one side. :) | 20:22 |
| sballe__ | was just talking abput the popcorn | 20:22 |
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| dougwig | sballe__: oh, heh. :) | 20:22 |
| xgerman | #agreed TrevorV will write ssh amphora driver | 20:22 |
| xgerman | #agreed HP will attempt REST based driver/agent | 20:23 |
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| sballe__ | how do we decide what solution we want to use in the demo? | 20:23 |
| sballe__ | ;-) | 20:24 |
| crc32 | sballe_: Wait to see which one performs better or works in reality. | 20:24 |
| dougwig | sballe__: that's a problem that i'd love to have. | 20:24 |
| dougwig | let's get there first. | 20:24 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: ;-) | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | Theyll both work, i was under the assumption that the ssh driver we were going to work on to get done quick to get our point and this demo across | 20:25 |
| crc32 | so. Is paramiko still a good idea these days or is something better out there now? | 20:25 |
| xgerman | yep, that wa smy impression as well | 20:25 |
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| ptoohill | the rest api will require more devlopment and a concensus of the contract amongst other things | 20:25 |
| xgerman | ptoohill +1 | 20:26 |
| xgerman | we likely need to iterate | 20:26 |
| ptoohill | indeed | 20:26 |
| blogan | paramiko bleh | 20:26 |
| crc32 | I'm kinda burnt out on Rest APIs now. specially sense this isn't something that is customer facing. | 20:26 |
| dougwig | crc32: paramiko or just popen('ssh ' + foo) | 20:26 |
| rm_work | popen is super ugly <_< | 20:27 |
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| rm_work | paramiko would have to be REALLY bad | 20:27 |
| rm_work | but I feel like this is getting off-topic | 20:27 |
| crc32 | At the very least let us use paramiko. I'm not in the mood for STDIN STDOUT parsing and mangling. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:27 |
| dougwig | eh, wrap it once, hide the ugly. example (not claiming it's not ugly, though): https://github.com/a10networks/neutron-thirdparty-ci/blob/master/ax/ax_ssh.py | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | good thing I'll be working on it then, eh crc32 ? | 20:28 |
| crc32 | yea the wrapper is called Paramiko. | 20:28 |
| xgerman | maybe there is an oslo version | 20:28 |
| blogan | just use whatever, its going to just be simple and if people want to improve upon it go ahead | 20:28 |
| dougwig | no, paramiko is a pure python implementation. it's much slower. but i don't think that matters at all here. | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | yep + long term I expect us to use an agent on the amphora | 20:29 |
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| TrevorV | Alright, since its my task for the amphora driver I'll sort out the logistics later, kk? We can move on at this point :P | 20:29 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:29 |
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| dougwig | since it's open, we can bring up ssh again. | 20:29 |
| dougwig | jk | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | dougwig you have the etherpad links for the Vancouber talks | 20:31 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:31 |
| dougwig | dangit, forgot that. one sec, i'll create and post a link here or in lbaas channel | 20:32 |
| xgerman | great | 20:32 |
| TrevorV | dougwig could I steel your attention later for some reviews | 20:32 |
| xgerman | also regarding Vancouver - are we trying to do something in the design summit? | 20:32 |
| blogan | ^ steal | 20:32 |
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| blogan | i woudl like to | 20:33 |
| xgerman | me, too - so | 20:33 |
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| blogan | for octavia? | 20:34 |
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| blogan | or for neutron-lbaas | 20:34 |
| blogan | i mean both kind of need one | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | yep | 20:34 |
| sballe__ | Agreed | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | #action find out to get Octavia and Neutron LBaaS into the design summit | 20:34 |
| dougwig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-vancouver-talks | 20:34 |
| dougwig | i'll get talk outlines added there as well. | 20:34 |
| xgerman | dougwig so johnso, jorgem, na dme need our won talk? | 20:35 |
| dougwig | what contentious stuff do we have that needs the entire community? | 20:35 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: i can barely parse that sentence, but those speaker lists are far from final. | 20:35 |
| jorgem | xgerman: eh? lol | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | well, last time we said johnsom, jorgem, and I would like to talk, too | 20:36 |
| xgerman | so reading that we need a third talk ;-)]\ | 20:36 |
| dougwig | everyone is welcome to add their feedback, requests, new speakers, etc, there, and then we can talk about what makes sense. i just had to get the slots submitted by monday. | 20:36 |
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| sballe__ | we need to be careful with too many speakers on the talks. it gets confusing. Should we do a panel with more companies represented? | 20:36 |
| dougwig | xgerman: that was for a standalone octavia talk, which i didn't submit. did stephen send that? | 20:37 |
| xgerman | nope | 20:37 |
| blogan | i doubt it would have been accepted anywya, no one knows what octavia is yet | 20:37 |
| johnsom | Who is Sam? | 20:38 |
| xgerman | Radware | 20:38 |
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| dougwig | nothing says we can't fold some or all of those folks into the octavia part of the lbaas talk. note it in the etherpad, and we can talk about what makes sense. | 20:38 |
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| sballe__ | The talk is 20 minute right? or is it longer> | 20:39 |
| dougwig | 40 minutes. | 20:39 |
| dougwig | 5 minutes for qa, 10 for demo, the rest for talking. ish. | 20:39 |
| dougwig | btw, i'm not dead set on being a speaker, either. please give your feedback on the etherpad. | 20:41 |
| johnsom | dougwig, didn't you ask me for my openstack details for a talk or was that for something else? | 20:41 |
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| xgerman | well, so we lock in on those two talks or are we trying to submit an Octavia talk as well? | 20:42 |
| johnsom | Maybe it was Stephen | 20:42 |
| dougwig | i was testing the speaker submissions, but ended up not being the octavia submitter. | 20:42 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: I think one person from each company makes sense to me. | 20:42 |
| TrevorV | +1 sballe__ | 20:42 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:42 |
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| johnsom | +1 | 20:44 |
| mwang2_ | +1 | 20:44 |
| dougwig | let's put our feedback into the etherpad, and circle back next week? my apologies if anyone feels left out; i think he octavia half got lost in the transition shuffle, and I never considered the current submissions final. | 20:44 |
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| TrevorV | Sounds good | 20:44 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: no problem. | 20:45 |
| rm_work | i mean, i agree that it seems unlikely Octavia talks would get accepted, since it's still Stackforge and relatively unknown | 20:45 |
| xgerman | rm_work - and HP was ready to run a super bowl ad foer it | 20:45 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:45 |
| rm_work | that would have been awesome :P | 20:45 |
| sballe__ | We could submit the octavia talk as a brownbag or whatever they call the 10 mins talks | 20:45 |
| dougwig | the submission deadline was this last monday. | 20:45 |
| rm_work | yeah I assume that'd be where we'd fit | 20:45 |
| dougwig | so if we don't have a placeholder in there, i think that ship has sailed. | 20:45 |
| rm_work | brownbag submissions are much later I thought? | 20:46 |
| dougwig | i meant for the conference talks | 20:46 |
| sballe__ | yes They are after the people have voted on the talks | 20:46 |
| rm_work | or "lightning talks" or whatever they are called in the Openstack world | 20:46 |
| rm_work | yeah | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | let's do that | 20:47 |
| sballe__ | and people don;t vote on lighting talks so we can submit more than one and they will be accepted ;-) | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | so who is taking the action item to submit that talk | 20:49 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:49 |
| sballe__ | Did you agree on the list of speakers? | 20:50 |
| xgerman | I was talking brownbag - I am really afraid things fall again through cracks | 20:50 |
| sballe__ | I agree but one of the speakers will have to submit the talk and not random peopel | 20:51 |
| blogan | one of the speakers of an accepted talk has to submit it? | 20:51 |
| dougwig | eh, it's pretty fluid, actually. any speaker can add or remove others, so you can bootstrap it. | 20:51 |
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| sballe__ | I was talking about speakers for the brownbag. never mind. | 20:52 |
| xgerman | ok, I will try to keep an eye on that deadline | 20:53 |
| dougwig | i'd suggest we add design session topics in the same etherpad. | 20:54 |
| dougwig | if any | 20:54 |
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| sballe__ | +q | 20:54 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:54 |
| sballe__ | +1 ;-) | 20:54 |
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| xgerman | we have 5 minutes left... | 20:55 |
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| xgerman | (in case we have other topics :-) | 20:55 |
| dougwig | the beauty of ssh and ruby! | 20:56 |
| dougwig | sorry, in a weird mood today. :) | 20:56 |
| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-vancouver-talks | 20:56 |
| xgerman | pretty ruby... | 20:56 |
| johnsom | Gem stones? | 20:56 |
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| dougwig | gems versus pip, lord yes. | 20:57 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:57 |
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| xgerman | guess better finish before somebody gets hurt | 20:57 |
| ptoohill | clear | 20:57 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 11 20:57:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-11-20.00.html | 20:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-11-20.00.txt | 20:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-11-20.00.log.html | 20:58 |
| ptoohill | \o | 20:58 |
| xgerman | \o | 20:58 |
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