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rkukurahi ML2’ers!16:00
yamamotohi16:00
SukhdevHello16:00
banix Hi16:00
yamahataHello16:00
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sadasuHello16:00
moshelehi16:00
rkukurawe’ll start in a minute16:00
shivharishi16:01
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rkukuraok, lets get going16:01
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rkukura#startmeeting networking_ml216:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 18 16:02:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2'16:02
rkukura#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML216:02
rkukura#topic Announcements16:03
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rkukuraPlease be sure to vote for summit presentations16:03
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rkukuraAnyone have the link handy?16:04
rkukura#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver16:05
* Sukhdev looking16:05
rkukuraAny other announcements?16:05
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rkukura#topic ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion16:05
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Sukhdevhttps://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/scaling-neutron-with-ml2-hierarchical-networks16:06
Sukhdevif you do not mind, can I share couple of more links for you to vote?16:06
rkukura#undo16:07
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Sukhdevthanks16:07
rkukura#redo16:07
Sukhdevhttps://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/panel-the-future-of-neutron-plugin-and-driver-innovation16:07
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Sukhdevhttps://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/bringing-provider-networks-into-openstack-using-l2-gateway16:07
Sukhdevplease vote on all three of those - will appreciate it...16:08
Sukhdevsorry - just woke up - hence, bit slow :-)16:09
banixThere is a talk proposed similar to the first one16:09
rkukuranote that markmcclain also proposed a talk similar to https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/scaling-neutron-with-ml2-hierarchical-networks - we should consider merging them16:09
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rkukurabanix: right16:09
banixrkukura: right16:09
sadasuSukhdev: you've been busy :-)16:09
Sukhdevrkukura: i have not browsed through all the presentations yet16:10
Sukhdevsadasu :-)16:10
rkukuraI’ve also got a proposal for a GBP lab session, but that’s kind of off-topic16:10
sadasurkukura: +116:10
banixMerging sounds reasonable16:10
Sukhdevrkukura: you can ask for votes - paste the link :-)16:10
Sukhdevrkukura: we are a small family here - so, its OK16:11
rkukurahttps://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/presentation/group-based-policy-hands-on-lab16:11
rkukuraAny other submissions we should conisider voting for???16:11
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rkukuraOK, lets move on…16:12
moshelerkukura: I would like the raise the issue of out of tree vendor plugins/MD packaging for distro  like rhel, Ubuntu. I would like to know how other vendors plan on handling it.16:12
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rkukuramoshele: I was just going to mention that16:12
moshele:)16:12
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Sukhdevmoshele: can you articulate the issue?16:13
rkukuraDo we know whether distros will be dropping the decomposed drivers, including just the in-tree code in their packages, or also packaging the out-of-tree libraries?16:13
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Sukhdevmoshele: I brought up this issue with armax16:14
Sukhdevmoshele: he mentioned he is working on this - I had similar concern16:15
rkukuramarun: Do you know how Red Hat plans to handle decomposed ML2 drivers in RDO and RHEL OSP?16:15
armaxSukhdev: distros are working on this as far as I can tell16:15
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rkukuraotherwiseguy: ^^^16:15
mosheleSukhdev: I talked to redhat and they say they will only package odl which is out of tree16:16
Sukhdevarmax: do you have any thing additional you can share on this issue16:16
rkukuramoshele: Do you mean that this is the only out-of-tree backend library they plan to package?16:16
marunrkukura: I don't know, but I'll try to get someone here that can.16:16
otherwiseguyrkukura: I probably should know, but don't. Ihar might.16:17
armaxI’ll be ready for the next Neutron IRC meeting16:17
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ihrachyshkao/16:17
marunrkukura: can you ask again for ihrachyshka?16:17
rkukuramarun, otherwiseguy: Thanks!16:17
ihrachyshkacan anyone repeat the question on rhos?16:17
moshelemy understanding was they are not going to package vendor specific plugin16:18
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rkukuraihrachyshka: If you have any insight into how Red Hat plans to handle decomposed ML2 drivers in RDO and RHEL OSP, please let us know16:18
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rkukuramarun, otherwiseguy, ihrachyshka: Is my understanding correct that “pip install …” is frowned upon from a RHEL OSP support perspective?16:19
ihrachyshkamoshele, rkukura, so the short answer is RH is going to walk thru the list of actual vendor plugins decomposed and decide case by case whether it's worth the effort (worth not being decided purely on economic merits)16:19
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ihrachyshkarkukura, pip is a bad idea to ship your code to users in any case16:20
mosheledo you know what other distro plan?16:20
ihrachyshkarkukura, but vendors are always free to create their own yum repos and ship them to users16:20
ihrachyshkaand that's independent of what Red Hat or RDO decides16:20
ihrachyshkamoshele, no, I haven't checked with anyone16:20
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rkukuraihrachyshka: Thanks very much!16:20
ihrachyshkashipping vendor repos is one thing that is now available for vendors but was not before - a good option actually16:21
Sukhdevihrachyshka, armax : Can we put this on agenda for next Neutron core meeting ?16:21
ihrachyshkaso we will definitely consider packaging stuff like odl, maybe opencontrail, maybe nsx...16:21
ihrachyshkanot sure about other stuff, I'm not to decide16:21
mosheleihrachyshka16:22
mosheleshouldn't all the plugin/md be in one repo?16:22
ihrachyshkaand also, we would be very pleased if vendors hop in and package their stuff for fedora ;)16:22
Sukhdevihrachyshka: for vendors who have certification program in place with RH (for example), I will assume they will be picked up automatically16:22
ihrachyshkaand then we'll make sure we import it to RDO16:22
rkukuraihrachyshka: Was going to mention that option16:22
ihrachyshkamoshele, not at all, you will just ship vendor library and instruct users to install it in addition to neutron pacakge16:23
ihrachyshkaSukhdev, cert program is per cycle I guess16:23
ihrachyshkaSukhdev, so this is to be revisited16:23
ihrachyshkaor so I think16:23
ihrachyshkanote that I'm an engineer, not a product manager, so be cautious16:23
mosheleihrachyshka: can we add it to epel?16:24
mosheleshouldn't all the plugin/md be in one repo?16:24
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ihrachyshkamoshele, epel? no way, epel packages are supported for a really long time16:24
rkukuramoshele: RDO covers Fedora and EPEL16:25
ihrachyshkamoshele, and since we don't have neutron in epel (and won't ever...)16:25
ihrachyshkarkukura, right, RDO is the way to go16:25
ihrachyshkamoshele, multiple repos are fine, it's just that neutron side won't automatically fetch dependency from vendor repo, but that's a minor thing16:25
rkukuraihrachyshka: If a vendor library gets into Fedora and then RDO, can the RDO yum repo be used with RHEL OSP?16:26
ihrachyshkain brave new rpm 4.12 world, we may even consider Recommends:'ing vendor libs16:26
moshelewhat it the process to add it to RDO?16:26
ihrachyshkarkukura, no, you don't mix RDO repos with RHEL-OSP repos. Or an atomic blast will occur.16:26
rkukuraAt some point it may be worth seeing if the neutron puppet modules can pull in dependencies based on which drivers are enabled16:26
ihrachyshkarkukura, it's safer to ship a repo with just vendor lib16:26
ihrachyshkamoshele, https://openstack.redhat.com/packaging/rdo-packaging.html16:27
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ihrachyshkarkukura, that's another option, right16:27
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Sukhdev#link: https://openstack.redhat.com/packaging/rdo-packaging.html16:28
ihrachyshkaso, all in all, we are not evil and would like to ship stuff, so if vendors do part of packaging in Fedora/RDO, we will be glad to consider shipping stuff in RHOSP too (though again, I'm not an official person to say that)16:28
rkukura#action rkukura and Sukhdev to include followup on disto packaging of drivers in next week’s agenda16:28
shivharisi would think that is would be nice if there is consitency in the process for all drivers16:28
moshele+116:29
shivharissplitting along recomended etc is technically not right16:29
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Sukhdevihrachyshka, armax: It will be nice to document the process so that all vendors are the same page on this process16:29
ihrachyshkashivharis, we would be glad to see patches to add new packages to fedora and RDO ;)16:29
rkukuraihrachyshka: Sounds like the driver situation isn’t that different than with add-on projects like GBP - see https://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_GBP16:30
ihrachyshkarkukura++16:30
armaxSukhdev: I’ll sync up with ihrachyshka on the matter16:30
Sukhdevarmax: cool - thanks16:30
ihrachyshkaRDO project is willing to see more participants from outside, and would be glad to see more stuff in. we just don't have enough hands for everything. openstack is too rapid.16:30
rkukuraOK, anything else on decomposition before we move onto the next agenda item?16:31
rkukuraAs a Fedora packager, I’m happy to help review any packages for ML2 drivers.16:32
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rkukura#topic ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow)16:33
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rkukuraDo we have an update on this? I don’t see manishg.16:33
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rkukuraOK, lets try to review the WIP patch and supply feedback16:34
rkukura#topic ML2 Extension Driver API enhancements16:34
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yamahatahello16:34
yamahataIs shwetaap1 there?16:34
shwetaap1yea i am here16:34
rkukuraThere are now two different patches with modifications to the extension driver API - care to summarize?16:34
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yamahataSure, I split out the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152759/ into16:35
rkukuraNote - these are important in getting the portsecurity BP into kilo-316:35
yamahatatwo16:35
yamahatathe 152759 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129178/16:35
yamahataEventually they may be consolidate one again, but I did for discussion16:35
yamahataThe first one is to add context,16:36
rkukurayamahata: That’s plugin_context, right?16:36
yamahatathe latter one is to add db object argument to extension driver of extend_xxx_dict16:36
yamahatarkukura: right.16:36
yamahatashwetaap1: anything to comment?16:36
yamahataThere are two points of discussion.16:37
yamahatashould we introduce ExtensionDriverContext intead of plugin_context.16:37
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rkukurayamahata: And is the goal of the 2nd to allow navigation the sqlalchemy relationship between the base resource model and the extension model?16:37
yamahatarkukura: Correct.16:37
yamahataAnother discussion point is to drop session argument from extend_xxx_dict16:38
rkukurayamahata: I’m wondering if all EDs would do that, or if they also need the DB context so they can do their own queries?16:38
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yamahataportsecurity ED doen't need DB query in extend_xxx_dict16:39
yamahatadoesn't16:39
shwetaap1Yeah if there isnt a backref while creating the extension attribute db model to the main resource, in those cases the session attribute maybe required16:40
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rkukuraI’ve suggested passing an ExtensionContext class to the ED methods so that additional attributes can be added later without breaking existing ED code.16:40
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yamahatarkukura: Okay, so let's introduce ExtensionDriverContext.16:40
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rkukuraSo should we create and ExtensionContext that has attributes for the DB session, the plugin_context, the resource model, etc?16:41
yamahataRight.16:41
yamahataBut extend_xxx_dict can't receive extension context.16:41
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rkukuraAnd if so, can we use the same ExtensionContext class for the create, update and extend methods?16:42
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yamahataNo for extend methods, yes for create, update16:42
yamahataextend methods are called by base db plugin class as hook.16:42
rkukurayamahata: What’s not available from this hook?16:42
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yamahataThe hook is called as extend_xxx_dict(self=plugin, result, db_entry)16:44
yamahatacommon_db_mixin._apply_dict_extend_functions16:44
rkukuraThe extend_<resource>_dict() methods are currently called with self, session, and result.16:45
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rkukuraLet’s follwup-up on the gerrit reviews so we can cover the rest of the agenda16:47
rkukuraAnything else on these patches first?16:47
yamahataOkay.16:47
rkukura#topic Bugs16:47
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rkukurashivharis: you are up16:47
shivharishi16:47
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shivharisregarding bugs k3 deadline is Mar 19 (about a month away)16:48
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shivharisWe need all the high priority bugs fixed by this time16:48
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shivharisas regards movings bugs from medium to high (change prio) i dont see any pressing issues16:49
rkukurashivharis: Do you feel the ml2 bugs are all prioritized correctly?16:49
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rkukurashivharis: you are ahead of me :)16:49
shivharisrkukura: correct me on that one... I have scanned the bug list16:49
shivharisactually we should be focusing on the medium bugs as well16:50
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shivharisi will have a list of these by next meeting16:50
shivharisAny questions from others regarding bugs?16:51
shivharisthats all from me16:51
rkukurashivharis: Thanks!16:51
rkukuraany questions regarding bugs?16:51
rkukura#topic Open Discussion16:52
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rkukuraanything to discuss?16:52
SukhdevPlease vote on all the presentation links provided16:53
banix_wondering how important the votes are but that is a different topic....16:54
banix_yes please do vote16:54
Sukhdevbanix_: I thought they picked the topics based upon votes, no?16:54
rkukurayamahata, shwetaap1: Did you want to cover anything else regarding extension drivers and portsecurity today?16:54
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banix_Sukhdev: that is part of the selection process not the only part16:55
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Sukhdevbanix_: do you have any insight to the process?16:55
shwetaap1the updated patch is available, would be great to get more reviews on it16:55
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rkukurabanix: My understanding is the votes are a consideration, but not the only one16:55
yamahataWe'll respin the patches soon. So please review it after upload.16:55
banix_Sukhdev: i decide based on the position os starts and such :)16:55
Sukhdevyamahata: sounds good - thanks16:55
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shivharisi want to thank folks for the review of bug fixes16:56
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rkukurashivharis: I 2nd that - we’ve got a lot of good work in review right now, so lets get it merged16:57
banix_Sukhdev: i think a group (not sure who) will decide16:57
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Sukhdevbanix_: you mean based upon the gold/platinum membership, etc..?16:57
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banix_Sukhdev: not really…. based on one hope relevance to the summit etc16:58
Sukhdevbanix_: Oh I see16:58
banix_noticed more than 100 submissions on networking track16:58
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rkukuraOK, our time is about up - thanks everyone!!!16:59
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rkukurabye16:59
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shivharisbye17:00
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GLauprenice meeting, lot of informations :P17:00
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Kiall#startmeeting Designate17:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 18 17:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'designate'17:00
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KiallHey folks - Who's here?17:00
timsimo/17:00
rjrjro?17:00
vinod1o/17:00
paul_glasso/17:00
mugsieo\17:00
Kiallrjrjr: is that a maybe? ;)17:00
timsimHook for a hand17:01
elarson__o/17:01
Kiallah - pirate rjrjr is here!17:01
mugsiewe have a pirate in our midst ;)17:01
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KiallSo - Agenda is light  today....17:01
Kiall#topic Action Items from last week17:01
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Kiallcores: (mugsie,Kiall,vinod1): get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149428/ merged17:02
KiallI finally got to review that today, we've been in crunch mode since we got back to the office at HP..17:02
jmcbride0/  oye!17:02
Kialljmcbride: heya :)17:02
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KiallJim Meyer had good things to say about you last week ;)17:02
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mugsiepc just died -_- brb17:03
Kiallvinod1 / mugsie - did you guys just get a chance to review ^?17:03
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jmcbrideAh, I know Jim! I hope he's having lots of fun there - he is a good guy.17:03
rjrjri'm concerned that patch will never get released.  i also don't have the time to address these problems as they come like this anymore.17:03
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rjrjrthis thing has been drawn out for almost a month now.17:03
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KiallYea - It's taken ages :( I'm hoping we can land it soon, just having a hard time really understanding / tracing though the code - I'm guessing it's the same for the others/17:04
rjrjrwhy were those concerns not brought up the first 2 or 3 times this code was reviewed though?17:05
rjrjri could have addressed them at once instead of one or two changes spread over 4 weeks.17:05
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timsimI believe I did on PS 4.17:06
KiallThings were simplier the last time I had a chance to review it (and +2 it!), but I can't speak to the others.17:06
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timsimHow about we action folks to review that, and if rjrjr doesn't have time to make the changes, appoint someone to fix it up? it's gotta be close.17:07
rjrjri think having someone else take this one over is a great idea!  i have to move on...17:07
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vinod1rjrjr: If you are busy, I can take a look at making the changes17:08
KiallWe asked everyone to review it last week, but I only got an oppertunity a few hours ago17:08
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KiallSure - I can offer up the same, but It's Monday before I have hours in the day again17:08
Kiall(We're in the final few days pretting a release..)17:08
Kiallprepping*17:08
rjrjri want to get to some of the other bugs we have outstanding.17:09
timsimWell, vinod1 and Kiall you guys can fight that out amongst yourselves then :) and we'll all try and get it reviewed in the next couple days?17:09
KiallSounds good, I also want to get the pools API stuff we started at the mid-cycle done + dusted..17:09
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KiallSo - if vinod1 want's to take up the torch on #149428, i can pick that up again come Monday :17:10
vinod1ok Kiall17:10
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vinod1We also need to get to ekarlso's changes - They have been pending for a long time too17:10
KiallYep, he hates me ;)17:10
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KiallI've asked him to try keep them up to date till k2 was done, and the release were doing at HP was done (from our teams POV)..  We've been planning to get to them after that17:11
vinod1ok17:11
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ekarlsostill not MERGED ?17:12
ekarlso...17:12
KiallOn a related note, we (all) have to get better at keeping reviews small - We've talked about it for a long time, but every large review sits in the queue for months without merge17:12
ekarlsoi tried to keep it small...17:13
ekarlsobut someone (not to mention names) wanted docs etc in the same change..17:13
KiallSo - We really have to figure out how to make it easier to do small patches etc17:13
rjrjri agree.  i offered to break this one up, but timsim suggested it was okay because we were all in a room looking at this one at the time.17:13
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Kialleveryone have their pitchforks pointed at timsim? ;)17:13
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ekarlsoso when will my change get attention rly? I've rebased over 30 times..17:14
Kiallyes - see my note above ;)17:14
rjrjri don't feel bad anymore.  i think i've only rebased a few times. :)17:14
Kiallmyself and mugsie are still locked up with the release, that ekarlso person decided to have a baby instead of help us with it ;)17:15
ekarlso HAHA :P17:15
Kiallbut that should be done+dusted this week..17:15
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KiallAnyway - Something to keep in mind, small reviews merge.. large ones takes months of review! Let's move on ;)17:15
Kiallother action was "mugsie email -dev list about sprint" .. Was done..17:16
Kiall#topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring)17:16
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Kiall#link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-317:16
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mugsiethe 2 bp's ned to be bumpeed17:16
mugsieno way they are getting in17:16
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KiallI have that code buried on my laptop from the first time I implemented them, just have to dig it out and refresh.17:17
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Kiallk3 is ~ 1month away, so no need top bump just yet.17:17
Kiall(k3 is March 19th)17:17
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KiallRe the bugs - We've lots open at the moment (more Open/In Progress than committed)17:18
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KiallSo - Thoughts on trying to whittle that list down? :)17:19
mugsie#1411442 can be bumped17:19
mugsieoh, no bot17:19
Kiallbug 141144217:20
openstackbug 1411442 in Designate "Central Unit Tests need improvment" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411442 - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes)17:20
Kiall;)17:20
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KiallAnyway - I meant more along the lines of getting them assigned and fixed ;)17:20
KiallShould we concentrate on the pool reliability review first, then reevaluate the list? I think many will be fixed as part of that..17:21
mugsieyeah, a lot of them are around that17:21
timsimYeah definitely. We might have some bandwidth over here to get some of those done.17:21
mugsietimsim: cool, that would be great17:21
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KiallOkay, let's see where we are next week after landing the PM reliability review :)17:22
timsimCool.17:23
Kiall#topic Bug triage (timsim - recurring)17:23
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Kiall#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New17:23
timsimSo there's just two bugs in need of triage17:23
timsim#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/141633717:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1416337 in Designate "Designate server create with concurrent request is not listing all servers even after successful creation." [Undecided,New]17:23
timsimHas anyone had a chance to try and reproduce this?17:23
mugsieyeah, I had a quick look, and couldnt reproduce17:24
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KiallThat was filed by our QA department17:24
KiallOh17:24
KiallNo17:24
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KiallWe have the same ticket internally - lol17:24
mugsiebut I am open to it actually being a bug, but i am not sure what is happening to cause it17:24
KiallI was sure they filed that upstream when I saw it -_17:24
timsimIt seems possible that this person may be running Juno or something, I don't think they say.17:25
timsimShould we mark it incomplete and ask for more information?17:25
KiallYea, ideally that script they have and the version there running would be useful17:25
KiallIf mugsie and timsim have tried + failed to reproduce, we'll need that17:25
mugsieand the DB that is in use17:25
mugsieif its something like SQLite, that might cause it17:26
timsimAlright, we agreed on marking incomplete and asking for more information (DB, Designate version, script)?17:26
KiallYep...17:26
timsimCool17:26
timsimI'll do that17:26
timsimhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/141556017:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1415560 in python-designateclient "python-designateclient does not work against an non Keystoned designate" [High,New]17:26
rjrjragreed17:26
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Kiallmugsie: ^ bug was one you filed17:27
mugsieyup17:27
mugsieit can go to triaged, and assigned to me17:27
KiallI'm guessing that means "Triaged" rather than "New" then? ;)17:27
timsimAgreed. Milestone?17:28
mugsiei forgot the extra steps after creation17:28
mugsienone for client17:28
KiallNo milestones used in the client projects :)17:28
mugsiethey just get released from time to time17:28
timsimWell there you go then17:28
KiallOkay - That was the lot of new ones this week? 2 isn't bad ;)17:29
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Kiall#topic Open Discussion17:29
KiallAs I said, agenda was light today - So, open discussion. Any off agenda items?17:29
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timsimI'd like to introduce elarson_, he's new on our team, you'll be seeing a lot of him around :)17:30
jmcbrideI have one item.17:30
Kialljmcbride: shoot :)17:30
timsimHaha, beat ya jmcbride17:30
jmcbridetimsim beat me to the punch!17:30
* elarson_ waves 17:30
mugsieelarson_: welcome!17:30
Kialllol - stone jmcbride's thunder.. nice :)17:30
Kialland welcome elarson_ :)17:30
elarson_thanks all!17:30
jmcbrideelarson_ wrote cachecontrol, plays bass in a band and likes long walks in the  park…17:31
KiallI saw your "I'm here" at the start and thought ekarlso had a new IRC nick ;)17:31
ekarlsohaha :p17:31
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* elarson_ also wondered if vinod1 was just a poor typist ;)17:31
Kialllol17:31
Kiallelarson_: so, you started this week?17:32
elarson_Kiall: yes, just yesterday17:32
KiallAh - Give it time, timsim's really not as bad as he seems at first ;)17:32
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mugsiehe's worse ;)17:32
KiallAnyway - Welcome :)17:32
elarson_thanks :)17:32
timsimMan I am on under the microscope today17:33
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KiallSo - Any other topics?17:33
mugsietimsim: is happens17:33
mugsieit*17:33
timsimAt least I still got one over on jmcbride, so it's not a total loss ;)17:33
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KiallOh - 1 other from me..17:33
KiallThere's a bunch of Designate related talks at the summit17:33
KiallVOTE ;)17:33
timsimOH yeah17:34
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Kiallhttps://openstack.org/vote-vancouver/17:34
Kialland - tell your friends and grandparants and so on to vote too ;)17:34
timsim#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/dnsaas-with-designate-in-production17:35
timsim#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/challenges-architecture-and-solutions-for-massive-scale-lbaas-deployment-at-ebaypayal17:35
timsim#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/designate-interactive-workshop-install-and-operate-217:35
timsim#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/dns-for-your-cloud-openstack-designate17:35
timsim#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/adopting-designate-for-managing-mission-critical-ebaypaypal-dns17:35
timsim#link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/dns-for-your-cloud-openstack-designate17:35
KiallOkay - If there's nothing else then, let's call it a day!17:36
KiallExcept for the TX folks, your only starting ;)17:36
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KiallThanks all!17:36
Kiall#endmeeting17:36
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SlickNik#startmeeting trove18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 18 18:00:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'trove'18:00
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amrith./18:01
SlickNikGiving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in.18:01
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georgelorcho/18:01
amrithhello george!18:01
sushilkmHello everyone18:02
georgelorchhowdy there amrith!18:02
nshaho/18:02
edmondko/18:02
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SlickNikAgenda for today's meeting is at:18:02
SlickNik#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_February_18_201518:02
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amrithdoing well georgelorch ... we needs to have speaks. I hear we're peddling something in Vancouver. ttyl18:02
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georgelorchyes sir amrith, voting on the proposals starts very soon18:03
SlickNikgeorgelorch: has already started — ends on Monday.18:03
sushilkmVoting is already on :D18:03
SlickNikOkay, let's get started.18:04
SlickNik#topic Trove pulse update18:04
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SlickNik#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update18:04
SlickNikSo this is a follow up to the discussion we had at the mid-cycle review.18:04
SlickNikWe decided that we need to measure and keep an eye out on stats around reviews and merged patches — something to measure our momentum going forward.18:05
SlickNikSo we know when the gate is stalling, when reviews are drying up.18:05
SlickNikI've complied statistics for the last week at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update18:06
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sushilkmis this etherpad gonna be updated every week or so ...18:06
vkmco/18:06
SlickNiksushilkm: Yes, the idea is that every meeting we will have a quick 5 minute look at the pulse.18:07
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SlickNikI'll compile, so that we will be able to look at the numbers over time as well.18:07
amrithsushilkm, is kicking butt.18:07
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SlickNikThanks to all the folks who did reviews last week!18:07
sushilkmit wud be gr8 to preserve the history of the pulse ;)18:08
edmondkwe have to be careful though when you know you are measuring something every week like this, it can cause people to only care about quantity over quality18:09
edmondkthat's the problem with statistics based measuring like this18:09
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SlickNikedmondk: Yes, you need to take the stats with a dose of salt.18:09
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amrithI propose that we eliminate the per-reviewer stats and only track the total reviews and the overall health metrics. That's what we care about, no?18:10
sushilkmapart from measuring quantity of reviews, it has more info over there like no. of patches merged  and no. of changes which are more exciting :)18:10
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amrithafter all, those who care about per rviewer stats can go to stackalytics18:10
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SlickNikInteresting to note that our average wait times are huge even though our median and 3rd quartile wait times look reasonable.18:11
SlickNikWhat that means is that we have really old changes that are not moving quickly.18:12
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SlickNikI've been trying to identify those — and either abandon them if folks are not actively working on them, or get them reviewed if they don't have reviews.18:12
SlickNikmost fall into the former bucket so far — but the effort is ongoing.18:13
SlickNik#action SlickNik to look at changes that are really old — and either abandon them if folks are not actively working on them, or review them if they don't have reviews.18:13
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SlickNikAlso credit where credit is due — I used slightly modified scripts that russellb wrote to get the details (you can check them out here https://github.com/openstack-infra/reviewstats)18:15
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SlickNikAny questions?18:15
russellboutput here too http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/trove-openreviews.html18:16
SlickNikThanks russellb!18:17
SlickNik#link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/trove-openreviews.html18:17
amrithnice, that gives you the outliers18:17
edmondkit would be also interesting to see what the pulse was last month18:18
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edmondkto see how the new core reviewers have changed the momentum18:18
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russellbyeah i haven't done anything to track historical data18:18
sushilkmthings seem to pick up since mid-cycle ... at least on reviews part, which is actually nice ....18:19
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SlickNikOkay, we've got a fairly full agenda. I can look to see if there's a simple way to get historical data — but let's move on for now.18:20
SlickNiksushilkm: agreed.18:20
SlickNik#topic Trove related presentations/talks at the Liberty Summit18:20
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SlickNikSo I went through the summit talks and compiled a list of talks that were related to Trove18:21
SlickNik#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-summit-trove-talks18:21
annashenthe deadline for vote?18:22
SlickNikI'm planning to spend a chunk of time tomorrow going through all talks and voting for the ones I find interesting.18:22
sushilkmlooks like the big list  lots of topics18:22
SlickNikannashen: I believe the deadline is Monday 23rd, so make sure to get your votes in by then.18:23
annashenSlickNik, will do!18:23
annashenthanks18:23
SlickNikI don't think there's any more to add here. Any questions?18:25
SlickNik.18:26
SlickNik#topic Trove Liberty Mid Cycle Sprint -- Initial planning for date / location18:26
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SlickNikJust wanted to give folks a heads up here.18:27
SlickNikWas planning into locations for the Liberty Mid cycle sprint — initial planning (so still tentative), but wanted to get a good idea of what dates worked well for folks.18:28
SlickNikI've set up a doodle poll for this at http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a718:28
SlickNik#link http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a718:28
SlickNikThe tentative location planned is Sunnyvale, CA.18:29
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peterstacWill HP be hosting it again?18:31
SlickNik#action Please fill out the doodle at http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a7 for tentative dates for the Liberty Mid Cycle Sprint.18:31
SlickNikpeterstac: Yes — getting confirmation on the exact location, etc but that's the plan.18:31
amrithSlickNik, thanks for helping with the location18:32
amrithTesora would be happy to help with the hosting18:32
amrithAfter all, peterstac still owes us all a round of drinks.18:32
dougshelley66peterstac did buy a round...just that only me and schang were there18:34
amrithbah18:34
SlickNikHah, perhaps we could host it jointly then? Just wanted to get an idea of the dates for now so that I can lock in the location.18:34
SlickNikWe have some time to figure out the details.18:35
SlickNikOkay, that's pretty much all I had for this topic — there's still more to cover on the agenda; let's move on.18:35
SlickNik#topic Continue discussion of proposal to classify datastores and strategies18:36
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SlickNik#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154119/418:36
amrithsounds like I'm up18:36
amrithI pushed up a spec (the link SlickNik just shared)18:36
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amrithin the last review there were some questions about the actual implementation18:37
amrithI proposed one in the latest version of the spec18:37
amrithbut if people feel that it is too much and the overhead of editing the dozen or so files when we move a datastore/strategy from one place to another isnt too much18:37
amrithI can push code for this later today18:38
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amrithie. brute force editing of imports18:38
amrithand moving the files around18:38
amrithnot very hard18:38
amrithalso there is a bit of a wrinkle I hadn't planned for18:38
amrithcluster strategies are in trove/common not trove/guestagent18:38
amrithso some questions for folks here18:38
amrith1. there aren't too many distinct places where one has to make an edit to move a datastore/strategy from one maturity level to another18:39
amrithis brute force editing OK18:39
amrith2. For now MySQL will be the only stable datastore18:39
amrithall others will be experimental or technical preview (percona and mariadb)18:39
amrith3. swift and mysql related strategies will be "stable"18:39
amrithall others will be experimental.18:39
amrithIf those are OK, I'll push code this afternoon/tomorrow.18:40
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SlickNikamrith: I haven't had a chance to review the current incarnation of the spec — I did have some comments on the previous one.18:41
amrithSlickNik, I incorporated some text to reflect your comments.18:42
amrithbut what I'm proposing here pares that spec back even further.18:42
SlickNikFor 1. I know you were talking to the oslo folks — what are our alternatives?18:42
amriththe only option they had was stevedore18:42
amrithand that doesn't really help us much18:43
SlickNik2. sounds reasonable to me and seems in line with the discussion that we had at the mid-cycle.18:43
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amriththe reason is that we do imports (which stevedore will help with) but we also have the use of things in configuration options18:43
amrithand things like that18:43
amrithwhich stevedore is useless for.18:43
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SlickNik3. builds on making strategies stable / experimental — that's not something that was discussed before, so hopefully folks can chime in on that.18:43
amrithfurthermore, we already have something (like stevedore) in terms of how we load strategies.18:43
amrithhence the proposal to just brute force the edits18:44
amrithisn't too painful18:44
amrithwe agree on #2 and #318:44
SlickNikAmrith: stevedore won't currently work for the guest since it doesn't install any entry points, and having those is a pre-req for stevedore.18:45
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amrithSlickNik, that takes care of that option.18:46
SlickNikIMO: 3 is a good step in the right direction. Having the same test standard for strategies as well seems to make sense.18:46
SlickNikWill put up my comments in the review.18:47
SlickNikAnything else wrt this?18:47
amrithshould I revise the review and just document the brute-force naming?18:47
SlickNikYes, I think that's a good idea.18:49
amrithok, done18:49
amrithI'm all set for now.18:49
amriththanks!18:49
SlickNikThank you!18:49
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SlickNik#topic Open DIscussion18:49
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SlickNikAny items for open discussion?18:50
vkmcregarding reviews... the first item in the agenda18:51
vkmcI was looking for this http://status.openstack.org/reviews/18:51
vkmccheckout trove branch reviews18:51
vkmcthere we have a 'Score' value we could use to prioritize reviews18:51
vkmc(sorry I just brought it up, I couldn't find it earlier)18:52
SlickNikvkmc: Good point18:52
SlickNik#link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/18:53
vkmcthat's all from me :)18:54
edmondkwhere does the score come from18:54
dougshelley66vkmc, that score heavily waits things just because they are old18:54
dougshelley66don't know if that always implies priority18:54
SlickNikI think this has come up before. One of the things that was mentioned was that it doesn't seem to factor in that a review might be waiting on an update from the author — you'll see a lot of reviews that have -1 from multiple people that are high on that list because they are old.18:55
sushilkmit looks its a combination of priority and oldness18:55
vkmcdougshelley66, yeah, that's true generally18:55
SlickNikBut you could choose to add that to your personal filter.18:55
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SlickNikUnfortunately, I don't think there's a silver bullet here.18:56
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SlickNikThe important part is that we actually do (more) reviews.18:56
vkmcyeah.. there are many patches that are stalled because there is no activity from the contributor side18:57
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edmondkIs there still a gate break with gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-troveclient-juno ?18:57
edmondkthat seems to be affecting some reviews on troveclient18:57
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amrithedmondk, yes18:57
edmondkbeen broken for like a week18:57
amrithit is still broken18:58
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SlickNikedmondk: Yes — is someone currently looking into that?18:58
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icchaX019: around?18:59
SlickNikWe're out of time. Let's take this conversation to #openstack-trove18:59
SlickNik#endmeeting18:59
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peterstacSlickNik: I did some poking around, but didn't get very far18:59
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vkmcthanks guys :)19:01
SlickNikThanks all!19:01
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xgerman#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Feb 18 20:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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xgerman#topic Roll Call20:00
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xgermano/20:00
johnsomo/20:00
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mwang2o/20:00
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dougwigSort of20:01
xgermanAgenda: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda20:02
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xgerman#topic  Brief progress reports20:02
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rm_worko/20:02
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TrevorVxgerman I have no progress Octavia side :(20:03
xgermanI updated the api spec:20:04
xgermanhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/126801/20:04
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xgermanI need +2s20:04
xgermanmwang2, johnsom?20:04
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mwang2yes20:04
johnsomI have rolled a few WIPs on controller worker.  Should be able to do *something* useful this week.20:04
TrevorVAwesome johnsom glad to hear it20:05
mwang2so i have submitted the health manager part, please feel free to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149802/620:05
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xgermanawesome20:05
mwang2https://review.openstack.org/#/c/14980220:05
xgermanok, I think we can move on20:06
mwang2also i am working on the API doc task, will submit the new update shortly20:06
rm_workI'll take a look at your review xgerman20:06
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xgerman#topic python setup.py install fails20:06
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mwang2https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148687/20:06
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xgermanjohnsom you have got the floor20:06
xgermanthanks rm_work20:07
johnsomIn setting up a test box for the controller worker I found that someone merged some "cache.py" code that breaks 'python setup.py install'20:07
johnsombyte-compiling /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/octavia/openstack/common/cache/cache.py to cache.pyc20:07
johnsom  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/octavia/openstack/common/cache/cache.py", line 4120:07
johnsom    def _get_oslo.configs():20:07
johnsom                 ^20:07
johnsomSyntaxError: invalid syntax20:07
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johnsomDoes anyone know anything about this code?20:08
dougwigSort of20:09
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clarkbremove the '.'?20:09
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rm_workyeah you can't have a dot in a function def...20:10
dougwigThat code should've been copied from incubator20:10
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johnsomI am just not sure why this code is here, etc.  I was looking for someone that has more background and could fix it, remove it, pull from upstream, whatever needs to happen20:11
crc32how did that even get merged?20:11
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xgermangood question crc32 :-)20:11
dougwigI can look today20:11
xgermanthanks dougwig20:11
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johnsomThanks dougwig20:11
dougwigOn phone now20:12
xgerman#action dougwig looks at broken setup.py20:12
johnsomI would like to keep going on controller worker20:12
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xgermanI guess we can move on20:12
xgerman#topic amphora-haproxy driver20:12
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xgermanSo last time we decided that RAX would do a stop-gap ssh based driver whereas HP will try to get the REST based one done20:13
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TrevorVsounds about right xgerman, with me on that SSH task.20:13
xgermanwe did some chatting in the channel prior to this meeting and the Q is should w emake two different drivers, one which can do both, or...20:13
rm_worki would have assumed two different amp drivers? though it they share 90% of their code that seems a bit repetitive20:14
TrevorVxgerman I don't think a dual-driver is the right answer personally.  I think individual drivers is the right way to go.20:14
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rm_workok yeah TrevorV points out code-share is virtually zero20:15
rm_worksooo I'd assume two drivers20:15
rm_workssh-amp and rest-amp20:15
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rm_workor whatever20:15
dougwigIt defeats the purpose of two if we couple them20:15
xgermanok, so I need to create another blueprint...20:15
TrevorVI actually sort of considered the SSH "driver" in this case similar to the amphora API client I wrote a while back.20:15
TrevorVBasically what ptoohill is writing/ has written will load either that client, or the ssh-driver I will make, and utilize that to configure HAProxy20:15
TrevorVDoes that sound right ptoohill ?20:16
ptoohillno20:16
ptoohilli wrote towards the amp api20:16
TrevorVYou wrote towards method definitions, right?20:16
TrevorVThe SSH driver can still implement those methods.20:16
ptoohillsure20:16
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ptoohilli also call your client...20:16
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TrevorVThat's what I'm talking about, the client.20:17
rm_workthere's an Amphora Interface, right? that all Amp drivers implement?20:17
ptoohillthen im unsure what youre getting at20:17
ptoohillyes20:17
ptoohilli was suggesting a possible shim/wrapper that could call either one of the 'backends' inorder to save on code dupe since they are essentially the same driver doing the same thing. But the ssh driver is just a temp solution so i suppose it doesnt matter how we do that one20:18
TrevorVAlright, here is the disconnect I just had.20:18
ptoohilli was just curious if the code i have out there was going to be reused by hp guys or not and if i should abandon that one and move forward with 'our' version20:19
TrevorVI wasn't thinking the SSH code would live at a higher level than the REST client I wrote a while ago20:19
ptoohillit wont20:19
xgermanwe are happyn to reuse20:19
ptoohillgranted it may just get overhauled anyhow, but was curious xgerman20:19
TrevorVRight.  Okay, so I guess I confused myself about what you were doing at the REST Driver layer you wrote ptoohill20:20
TrevorVYou import my client and use the methods right?20:20
ptoohillyes20:20
TrevorVSo we're talking about adding an SSH implementation to THOSE methods?  In the client?20:20
ptoohillso call a rest client to do ssh?20:20
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TrevorVThat's exactly my problem, what are we talking about merging at this point?20:21
rm_workthe methods are what's specified in the interface for the amp driver20:21
rm_workright?20:21
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xgermanyep, we have the interface20:21
rm_workright20:21
ptoohillwell either need to call a rest client OR and ssh 'client' to do things20:21
rm_workso whatever driver is under the Amphora Interface20:22
xgermanyep20:22
xgermanand my impression was we needed two drivers but ther eis the question of reuse20:22
xgermansicne we need to generate a haproxy config file in both20:22
ptoohillyea, which could be done with shim/wrapper and config option20:23
rm_workI assumed there'd be another interface layer20:23
ptoohillbut, since the ssh one is temp(i assume) we can do it seperately and remove when done. unelss we plan on keeping this one also20:23
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ptoohilltheres not currently, but could be the other solution20:24
xgermanI think we will stick to removing it20:24
rm_workControler -> Amp (HAProxy) Driver -> Communication (SSH || REST) Driver -> Amphora20:24
rm_work*Controller20:24
xgermanyeah, that would be another way to skin the cat20:24
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TrevorVSo that's what I was personally invisioning as well.20:26
TrevorVWe'd just have SSH instead of REST.20:26
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xgermanthat looks like a better way to me since we are just changing transport20:27
xgerman(and some ssh magic)20:27
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ptoohillim ok with anything honestly, i was just asking what should be done since i was the owner of the bp20:27
TrevorVSo what should happen, in my opinion, is we should make an interface for the communication step, and have the REST client I wrote before just be an implementation of that, and then make an SSH implementation of that as well, and then we're all gucci20:28
xgerman+120:28
ptoohillso then we plan on keeping the ssh stuff in tree?20:28
dougwigthe ssh driver is really meant to be quick and dirty.  need an LB?  ssh, apt-get install a bunch, cat > file, go.  i'm not seeing where the amps share anything.  one is far more sophisticated.20:28
ptoohill+120:28
xgermandougwig +120:28
ptoohillthe only thing would be config20:28
ptoohillbuilding it*20:29
ptoohillwhich isnt tied directly into driver so it can be reused20:29
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ptoohillyea, this is a non issue, i was just curious20:29
TrevorVThat's understandable dougwig, and while its still quick and dirty does it hurt keeping the communicative step abstract just in case someone wants to make something else be the communication piece?20:29
xgermanyeah, and also part of LBaaS V220:29
rm_workyeah right now that driver layer is the "WHAT" and the "HOW"20:29
rm_workwe need it to JUST be the WHAT (HAProxy, in our case), and the HOW would be either SSH or REST20:30
dougwigTrevorV: only if you defeat the purpose of a quicker pass to demo-ware by tying schedules together.20:30
rm_workit's "yet another layer" >_>20:30
rm_workbut20:30
ptoohilli guess i dont see that as a thing though20:30
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ptoohillthis is a temp solution20:30
rm_workeh20:30
ptoohillthat will be removed20:30
rm_workI have to bbl20:30
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TrevorVSorry dougwig I don't actually know what you mean there.20:30
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ptoohilllets just do two separate ones so we can do what we intially planned on with the ssh driver20:31
xgermanok, and that makes it easier for people working on it20:31
TrevorVtwo separate ones what?20:31
ptoohillindeed20:31
ptoohilldrivers20:31
xgermandrivers20:31
TrevorVSo essentially write your layer again as SSH-HAProxy-Driver20:31
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xgermanyep, the REST driver should not be mauch code anyway20:32
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dougwigTrevorV: the point of a quick and dirty ssh driver is schedule risk mitigation.  that's it.  by tying it to *any* part of another schedule, you're diluting the point.  it's not meant to be long-lived with tendrils into other things.. IMO.20:32
ptoohilli just wanted to argue with xgerman today, thats all ;)20:33
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xgerman#agreed write two drivers20:33
TrevorVI still can't say I follow you dougwig but we can offline that.20:34
ptoohillI am in agreement20:34
TrevorVI don't, but there seem to be more in favor of it than against, so I'll deal :)20:34
xgermanI like the reuse aspect as well as the scheudling one - so I am torn...20:35
xgermananyhow, let's move on20:35
xgerman#topic Future of this meeting20:35
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xgermanYesterday in the lbaas meeting we decided to merge LBaaS and Octavia (merger of equals)20:36
xgermanwhen it comes to meetingds20:36
dougwigi think we decided to decide at vancouver.20:36
dougwigbtw, since folks didn't seem to know how the neutron on-demand stuff works, here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048328.html20:37
TrevorV(I still think on-demand makes more sense for neutron lbaas, but eh)20:37
xgermanyeah, I need to attend a few neutron meetings to form an opinion ;-)20:38
dougwighalf of them are nicely timed.  the other half are good for our international folks.  :)20:38
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xgermanok, so we will defer that to after Vancouver.20:39
TrevorVSo xgerman do we push this conversation off until after vancouver then?20:39
TrevorVha20:39
TrevorVgot it20:39
xgermanyeah, I just wanted to make sure we got it mentioned ;-)20:40
xgerman#topic Open Discussion20:40
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dougwigflavors!  if anyone of you are interested in flavors in kilos, I need eyeballs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139758/20:40
TrevorVI can take a look later dougwig20:41
xgerman+120:41
johnsomYes, cool, however in merge conflict.  Review now or after that is cleaned up?20:41
TrevorVIf anyone has other spare review cycles, the LBaaS v2 Tempest API tests are well on their way to being finished20:41
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johnsomI.e. is a patchset just about to land?20:42
dougwigfeedback is good now.  +1 to just show support/desire, later.20:42
dougwigi'm not doing one today, no.20:42
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johnsomOk, thanks20:42
dougwigTrevorV: i'll be on those today20:42
xgermanTrevorV we will have a look20:42
TrevorVAlright, I think crc32 has the members one in progress still, but the other 4 could use some eyes20:43
TrevorVThanks guys20:43
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xgermananyhting else?20:44
xgerman#endmeeting20:45
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Feb 18 20:45:22 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)20:45
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-18-20.00.html20:45
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-18-20.00.txt20:45
TrevorVBye all!20:45
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-18-20.00.log.html20:45
xgermanbye20:45
TrevorVI'll update meeting minutes20:45
xgermanthanks20:45
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