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rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
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yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
Sukhdev | Hello | 16:00 |
banix | Hi | 16:00 |
yamahata | Hello | 16:00 |
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sadasu | Hello | 16:00 |
moshele | hi | 16:00 |
rkukura | we’ll start in a minute | 16:00 |
shivharis | hi | 16:01 |
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rkukura | ok, lets get going | 16:01 |
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rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 16:02:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
rkukura | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:02 |
rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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rkukura | Please be sure to vote for summit presentations | 16:03 |
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rkukura | Anyone have the link handy? | 16:04 |
rkukura | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver | 16:05 |
* Sukhdev looking | 16:05 | |
rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:05 |
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rkukura | #topic ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion | 16:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:05 | |
Sukhdev | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/scaling-neutron-with-ml2-hierarchical-networks | 16:06 |
Sukhdev | if you do not mind, can I share couple of more links for you to vote? | 16:06 |
rkukura | #undo | 16:07 |
openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x9f9ca10> | 16:07 |
Sukhdev | thanks | 16:07 |
rkukura | #redo | 16:07 |
Sukhdev | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/panel-the-future-of-neutron-plugin-and-driver-innovation | 16:07 |
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Sukhdev | https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/bringing-provider-networks-into-openstack-using-l2-gateway | 16:07 |
Sukhdev | please vote on all three of those - will appreciate it... | 16:08 |
Sukhdev | sorry - just woke up - hence, bit slow :-) | 16:09 |
banix | There is a talk proposed similar to the first one | 16:09 |
rkukura | note that markmcclain also proposed a talk similar to https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/scaling-neutron-with-ml2-hierarchical-networks - we should consider merging them | 16:09 |
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rkukura | banix: right | 16:09 |
banix | rkukura: right | 16:09 |
sadasu | Sukhdev: you've been busy :-) | 16:09 |
Sukhdev | rkukura: i have not browsed through all the presentations yet | 16:10 |
Sukhdev | sadasu :-) | 16:10 |
rkukura | I’ve also got a proposal for a GBP lab session, but that’s kind of off-topic | 16:10 |
sadasu | rkukura: +1 | 16:10 |
banix | Merging sounds reasonable | 16:10 |
Sukhdev | rkukura: you can ask for votes - paste the link :-) | 16:10 |
Sukhdev | rkukura: we are a small family here - so, its OK | 16:11 |
rkukura | https://www.openstack.org/vote-paris/presentation/group-based-policy-hands-on-lab | 16:11 |
rkukura | Any other submissions we should conisider voting for??? | 16:11 |
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rkukura | OK, lets move on… | 16:12 |
moshele | rkukura: I would like the raise the issue of out of tree vendor plugins/MD packaging for distro like rhel, Ubuntu. I would like to know how other vendors plan on handling it. | 16:12 |
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rkukura | moshele: I was just going to mention that | 16:12 |
moshele | :) | 16:12 |
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Sukhdev | moshele: can you articulate the issue? | 16:13 |
rkukura | Do we know whether distros will be dropping the decomposed drivers, including just the in-tree code in their packages, or also packaging the out-of-tree libraries? | 16:13 |
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Sukhdev | moshele: I brought up this issue with armax | 16:14 |
Sukhdev | moshele: he mentioned he is working on this - I had similar concern | 16:15 |
rkukura | marun: Do you know how Red Hat plans to handle decomposed ML2 drivers in RDO and RHEL OSP? | 16:15 |
armax | Sukhdev: distros are working on this as far as I can tell | 16:15 |
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rkukura | otherwiseguy: ^^^ | 16:15 |
moshele | Sukhdev: I talked to redhat and they say they will only package odl which is out of tree | 16:16 |
Sukhdev | armax: do you have any thing additional you can share on this issue | 16:16 |
rkukura | moshele: Do you mean that this is the only out-of-tree backend library they plan to package? | 16:16 |
marun | rkukura: I don't know, but I'll try to get someone here that can. | 16:16 |
otherwiseguy | rkukura: I probably should know, but don't. Ihar might. | 16:17 |
armax | I’ll be ready for the next Neutron IRC meeting | 16:17 |
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ihrachyshka | o/ | 16:17 |
marun | rkukura: can you ask again for ihrachyshka? | 16:17 |
rkukura | marun, otherwiseguy: Thanks! | 16:17 |
ihrachyshka | can anyone repeat the question on rhos? | 16:17 |
moshele | my understanding was they are not going to package vendor specific plugin | 16:18 |
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rkukura | ihrachyshka: If you have any insight into how Red Hat plans to handle decomposed ML2 drivers in RDO and RHEL OSP, please let us know | 16:18 |
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rkukura | marun, otherwiseguy, ihrachyshka: Is my understanding correct that “pip install …” is frowned upon from a RHEL OSP support perspective? | 16:19 |
ihrachyshka | moshele, rkukura, so the short answer is RH is going to walk thru the list of actual vendor plugins decomposed and decide case by case whether it's worth the effort (worth not being decided purely on economic merits) | 16:19 |
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ihrachyshka | rkukura, pip is a bad idea to ship your code to users in any case | 16:20 |
moshele | do you know what other distro plan? | 16:20 |
ihrachyshka | rkukura, but vendors are always free to create their own yum repos and ship them to users | 16:20 |
ihrachyshka | and that's independent of what Red Hat or RDO decides | 16:20 |
ihrachyshka | moshele, no, I haven't checked with anyone | 16:20 |
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rkukura | ihrachyshka: Thanks very much! | 16:20 |
ihrachyshka | shipping vendor repos is one thing that is now available for vendors but was not before - a good option actually | 16:21 |
Sukhdev | ihrachyshka, armax : Can we put this on agenda for next Neutron core meeting ? | 16:21 |
ihrachyshka | so we will definitely consider packaging stuff like odl, maybe opencontrail, maybe nsx... | 16:21 |
ihrachyshka | not sure about other stuff, I'm not to decide | 16:21 |
moshele | ihrachyshka | 16:22 |
moshele | shouldn't all the plugin/md be in one repo? | 16:22 |
ihrachyshka | and also, we would be very pleased if vendors hop in and package their stuff for fedora ;) | 16:22 |
Sukhdev | ihrachyshka: for vendors who have certification program in place with RH (for example), I will assume they will be picked up automatically | 16:22 |
ihrachyshka | and then we'll make sure we import it to RDO | 16:22 |
rkukura | ihrachyshka: Was going to mention that option | 16:22 |
ihrachyshka | moshele, not at all, you will just ship vendor library and instruct users to install it in addition to neutron pacakge | 16:23 |
ihrachyshka | Sukhdev, cert program is per cycle I guess | 16:23 |
ihrachyshka | Sukhdev, so this is to be revisited | 16:23 |
ihrachyshka | or so I think | 16:23 |
ihrachyshka | note that I'm an engineer, not a product manager, so be cautious | 16:23 |
moshele | ihrachyshka: can we add it to epel? | 16:24 |
moshele | shouldn't all the plugin/md be in one repo? | 16:24 |
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ihrachyshka | moshele, epel? no way, epel packages are supported for a really long time | 16:24 |
rkukura | moshele: RDO covers Fedora and EPEL | 16:25 |
ihrachyshka | moshele, and since we don't have neutron in epel (and won't ever...) | 16:25 |
ihrachyshka | rkukura, right, RDO is the way to go | 16:25 |
ihrachyshka | moshele, multiple repos are fine, it's just that neutron side won't automatically fetch dependency from vendor repo, but that's a minor thing | 16:25 |
rkukura | ihrachyshka: If a vendor library gets into Fedora and then RDO, can the RDO yum repo be used with RHEL OSP? | 16:26 |
ihrachyshka | in brave new rpm 4.12 world, we may even consider Recommends:'ing vendor libs | 16:26 |
moshele | what it the process to add it to RDO? | 16:26 |
ihrachyshka | rkukura, no, you don't mix RDO repos with RHEL-OSP repos. Or an atomic blast will occur. | 16:26 |
rkukura | At some point it may be worth seeing if the neutron puppet modules can pull in dependencies based on which drivers are enabled | 16:26 |
ihrachyshka | rkukura, it's safer to ship a repo with just vendor lib | 16:26 |
ihrachyshka | moshele, https://openstack.redhat.com/packaging/rdo-packaging.html | 16:27 |
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ihrachyshka | rkukura, that's another option, right | 16:27 |
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Sukhdev | #link: https://openstack.redhat.com/packaging/rdo-packaging.html | 16:28 |
ihrachyshka | so, all in all, we are not evil and would like to ship stuff, so if vendors do part of packaging in Fedora/RDO, we will be glad to consider shipping stuff in RHOSP too (though again, I'm not an official person to say that) | 16:28 |
rkukura | #action rkukura and Sukhdev to include followup on disto packaging of drivers in next week’s agenda | 16:28 |
shivharis | i would think that is would be nice if there is consitency in the process for all drivers | 16:28 |
moshele | +1 | 16:29 |
shivharis | splitting along recomended etc is technically not right | 16:29 |
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Sukhdev | ihrachyshka, armax: It will be nice to document the process so that all vendors are the same page on this process | 16:29 |
ihrachyshka | shivharis, we would be glad to see patches to add new packages to fedora and RDO ;) | 16:29 |
rkukura | ihrachyshka: Sounds like the driver situation isn’t that different than with add-on projects like GBP - see https://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_GBP | 16:30 |
ihrachyshka | rkukura++ | 16:30 |
armax | Sukhdev: I’ll sync up with ihrachyshka on the matter | 16:30 |
Sukhdev | armax: cool - thanks | 16:30 |
ihrachyshka | RDO project is willing to see more participants from outside, and would be glad to see more stuff in. we just don't have enough hands for everything. openstack is too rapid. | 16:30 |
rkukura | OK, anything else on decomposition before we move onto the next agenda item? | 16:31 |
rkukura | As a Fedora packager, I’m happy to help review any packages for ML2 drivers. | 16:32 |
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rkukura | #topic ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) | 16:33 |
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rkukura | Do we have an update on this? I don’t see manishg. | 16:33 |
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rkukura | OK, lets try to review the WIP patch and supply feedback | 16:34 |
rkukura | #topic ML2 Extension Driver API enhancements | 16:34 |
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yamahata | hello | 16:34 |
yamahata | Is shwetaap1 there? | 16:34 |
shwetaap1 | yea i am here | 16:34 |
rkukura | There are now two different patches with modifications to the extension driver API - care to summarize? | 16:34 |
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yamahata | Sure, I split out the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152759/ into | 16:35 |
rkukura | Note - these are important in getting the portsecurity BP into kilo-3 | 16:35 |
yamahata | two | 16:35 |
yamahata | the 152759 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129178/ | 16:35 |
yamahata | Eventually they may be consolidate one again, but I did for discussion | 16:35 |
yamahata | The first one is to add context, | 16:36 |
rkukura | yamahata: That’s plugin_context, right? | 16:36 |
yamahata | the latter one is to add db object argument to extension driver of extend_xxx_dict | 16:36 |
yamahata | rkukura: right. | 16:36 |
yamahata | shwetaap1: anything to comment? | 16:36 |
yamahata | There are two points of discussion. | 16:37 |
yamahata | should we introduce ExtensionDriverContext intead of plugin_context. | 16:37 |
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rkukura | yamahata: And is the goal of the 2nd to allow navigation the sqlalchemy relationship between the base resource model and the extension model? | 16:37 |
yamahata | rkukura: Correct. | 16:37 |
yamahata | Another discussion point is to drop session argument from extend_xxx_dict | 16:38 |
rkukura | yamahata: I’m wondering if all EDs would do that, or if they also need the DB context so they can do their own queries? | 16:38 |
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yamahata | portsecurity ED doen't need DB query in extend_xxx_dict | 16:39 |
yamahata | doesn't | 16:39 |
shwetaap1 | Yeah if there isnt a backref while creating the extension attribute db model to the main resource, in those cases the session attribute maybe required | 16:40 |
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rkukura | I’ve suggested passing an ExtensionContext class to the ED methods so that additional attributes can be added later without breaking existing ED code. | 16:40 |
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yamahata | rkukura: Okay, so let's introduce ExtensionDriverContext. | 16:40 |
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rkukura | So should we create and ExtensionContext that has attributes for the DB session, the plugin_context, the resource model, etc? | 16:41 |
yamahata | Right. | 16:41 |
yamahata | But extend_xxx_dict can't receive extension context. | 16:41 |
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rkukura | And if so, can we use the same ExtensionContext class for the create, update and extend methods? | 16:42 |
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yamahata | No for extend methods, yes for create, update | 16:42 |
yamahata | extend methods are called by base db plugin class as hook. | 16:42 |
rkukura | yamahata: What’s not available from this hook? | 16:42 |
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yamahata | The hook is called as extend_xxx_dict(self=plugin, result, db_entry) | 16:44 |
yamahata | common_db_mixin._apply_dict_extend_functions | 16:44 |
rkukura | The extend_<resource>_dict() methods are currently called with self, session, and result. | 16:45 |
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rkukura | Let’s follwup-up on the gerrit reviews so we can cover the rest of the agenda | 16:47 |
rkukura | Anything else on these patches first? | 16:47 |
yamahata | Okay. | 16:47 |
rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:47 |
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rkukura | shivharis: you are up | 16:47 |
shivharis | hi | 16:47 |
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shivharis | regarding bugs k3 deadline is Mar 19 (about a month away) | 16:48 |
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shivharis | We need all the high priority bugs fixed by this time | 16:48 |
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shivharis | as regards movings bugs from medium to high (change prio) i dont see any pressing issues | 16:49 |
rkukura | shivharis: Do you feel the ml2 bugs are all prioritized correctly? | 16:49 |
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rkukura | shivharis: you are ahead of me :) | 16:49 |
shivharis | rkukura: correct me on that one... I have scanned the bug list | 16:49 |
shivharis | actually we should be focusing on the medium bugs as well | 16:50 |
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shivharis | i will have a list of these by next meeting | 16:50 |
shivharis | Any questions from others regarding bugs? | 16:51 |
shivharis | thats all from me | 16:51 |
rkukura | shivharis: Thanks! | 16:51 |
rkukura | any questions regarding bugs? | 16:51 |
rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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rkukura | anything to discuss? | 16:52 |
Sukhdev | Please vote on all the presentation links provided | 16:53 |
banix_ | wondering how important the votes are but that is a different topic.... | 16:54 |
banix_ | yes please do vote | 16:54 |
Sukhdev | banix_: I thought they picked the topics based upon votes, no? | 16:54 |
rkukura | yamahata, shwetaap1: Did you want to cover anything else regarding extension drivers and portsecurity today? | 16:54 |
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banix_ | Sukhdev: that is part of the selection process not the only part | 16:55 |
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Sukhdev | banix_: do you have any insight to the process? | 16:55 |
shwetaap1 | the updated patch is available, would be great to get more reviews on it | 16:55 |
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rkukura | banix: My understanding is the votes are a consideration, but not the only one | 16:55 |
yamahata | We'll respin the patches soon. So please review it after upload. | 16:55 |
banix_ | Sukhdev: i decide based on the position os starts and such :) | 16:55 |
Sukhdev | yamahata: sounds good - thanks | 16:55 |
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shivharis | i want to thank folks for the review of bug fixes | 16:56 |
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rkukura | shivharis: I 2nd that - we’ve got a lot of good work in review right now, so lets get it merged | 16:57 |
banix_ | Sukhdev: i think a group (not sure who) will decide | 16:57 |
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Sukhdev | banix_: you mean based upon the gold/platinum membership, etc..? | 16:57 |
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banix_ | Sukhdev: not really…. based on one hope relevance to the summit etc | 16:58 |
Sukhdev | banix_: Oh I see | 16:58 |
banix_ | noticed more than 100 submissions on networking track | 16:58 |
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rkukura | OK, our time is about up - thanks everyone!!! | 16:59 |
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rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 16:59:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-18-16.02.html | 16:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-18-16.02.txt | 16:59 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-02-18-16.02.log.html | 16:59 |
rkukura | bye | 16:59 |
Sukhdev | bye | 16:59 |
yamamoto | bye | 16:59 |
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shivharis | bye | 17:00 |
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banix_ | bye | 17:00 |
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GLaupre | nice meeting, lot of informations :P | 17:00 |
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Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 17:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
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Kiall | Hey folks - Who's here? | 17:00 |
timsim | o/ | 17:00 |
rjrjr | o? | 17:00 |
vinod1 | o/ | 17:00 |
paul_glass | o/ | 17:00 |
mugsie | o\ | 17:00 |
Kiall | rjrjr: is that a maybe? ;) | 17:00 |
timsim | Hook for a hand | 17:01 |
elarson__ | o/ | 17:01 |
Kiall | ah - pirate rjrjr is here! | 17:01 |
mugsie | we have a pirate in our midst ;) | 17:01 |
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Kiall | So - Agenda is light today.... | 17:01 |
Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:01 |
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Kiall | cores: (mugsie,Kiall,vinod1): get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149428/ merged | 17:02 |
Kiall | I finally got to review that today, we've been in crunch mode since we got back to the office at HP.. | 17:02 |
jmcbride | 0/ oye! | 17:02 |
Kiall | jmcbride: heya :) | 17:02 |
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Kiall | Jim Meyer had good things to say about you last week ;) | 17:02 |
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mugsie | pc just died -_- brb | 17:03 |
Kiall | vinod1 / mugsie - did you guys just get a chance to review ^? | 17:03 |
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jmcbride | Ah, I know Jim! I hope he's having lots of fun there - he is a good guy. | 17:03 |
rjrjr | i'm concerned that patch will never get released. i also don't have the time to address these problems as they come like this anymore. | 17:03 |
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rjrjr | this thing has been drawn out for almost a month now. | 17:03 |
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Kiall | Yea - It's taken ages :( I'm hoping we can land it soon, just having a hard time really understanding / tracing though the code - I'm guessing it's the same for the others/ | 17:04 |
rjrjr | why were those concerns not brought up the first 2 or 3 times this code was reviewed though? | 17:05 |
rjrjr | i could have addressed them at once instead of one or two changes spread over 4 weeks. | 17:05 |
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timsim | I believe I did on PS 4. | 17:06 |
Kiall | Things were simplier the last time I had a chance to review it (and +2 it!), but I can't speak to the others. | 17:06 |
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timsim | How about we action folks to review that, and if rjrjr doesn't have time to make the changes, appoint someone to fix it up? it's gotta be close. | 17:07 |
rjrjr | i think having someone else take this one over is a great idea! i have to move on... | 17:07 |
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vinod1 | rjrjr: If you are busy, I can take a look at making the changes | 17:08 |
Kiall | We asked everyone to review it last week, but I only got an oppertunity a few hours ago | 17:08 |
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Kiall | Sure - I can offer up the same, but It's Monday before I have hours in the day again | 17:08 |
Kiall | (We're in the final few days pretting a release..) | 17:08 |
Kiall | prepping* | 17:08 |
rjrjr | i want to get to some of the other bugs we have outstanding. | 17:09 |
timsim | Well, vinod1 and Kiall you guys can fight that out amongst yourselves then :) and we'll all try and get it reviewed in the next couple days? | 17:09 |
Kiall | Sounds good, I also want to get the pools API stuff we started at the mid-cycle done + dusted.. | 17:09 |
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Kiall | So - if vinod1 want's to take up the torch on #149428, i can pick that up again come Monday : | 17:10 |
vinod1 | ok Kiall | 17:10 |
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vinod1 | We also need to get to ekarlso's changes - They have been pending for a long time too | 17:10 |
Kiall | Yep, he hates me ;) | 17:10 |
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Kiall | I've asked him to try keep them up to date till k2 was done, and the release were doing at HP was done (from our teams POV).. We've been planning to get to them after that | 17:11 |
vinod1 | ok | 17:11 |
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ekarlso | still not MERGED ? | 17:12 |
ekarlso | ... | 17:12 |
Kiall | On a related note, we (all) have to get better at keeping reviews small - We've talked about it for a long time, but every large review sits in the queue for months without merge | 17:12 |
ekarlso | i tried to keep it small... | 17:13 |
ekarlso | but someone (not to mention names) wanted docs etc in the same change.. | 17:13 |
Kiall | So - We really have to figure out how to make it easier to do small patches etc | 17:13 |
rjrjr | i agree. i offered to break this one up, but timsim suggested it was okay because we were all in a room looking at this one at the time. | 17:13 |
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Kiall | everyone have their pitchforks pointed at timsim? ;) | 17:13 |
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ekarlso | so when will my change get attention rly? I've rebased over 30 times.. | 17:14 |
Kiall | yes - see my note above ;) | 17:14 |
rjrjr | i don't feel bad anymore. i think i've only rebased a few times. :) | 17:14 |
Kiall | myself and mugsie are still locked up with the release, that ekarlso person decided to have a baby instead of help us with it ;) | 17:15 |
ekarlso | HAHA :P | 17:15 |
Kiall | but that should be done+dusted this week.. | 17:15 |
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Kiall | Anyway - Something to keep in mind, small reviews merge.. large ones takes months of review! Let's move on ;) | 17:15 |
Kiall | other action was "mugsie email -dev list about sprint" .. Was done.. | 17:16 |
Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:16 |
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Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-3 | 17:16 |
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mugsie | the 2 bp's ned to be bumpeed | 17:16 |
mugsie | no way they are getting in | 17:16 |
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Kiall | I have that code buried on my laptop from the first time I implemented them, just have to dig it out and refresh. | 17:17 |
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Kiall | k3 is ~ 1month away, so no need top bump just yet. | 17:17 |
Kiall | (k3 is March 19th) | 17:17 |
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Kiall | Re the bugs - We've lots open at the moment (more Open/In Progress than committed) | 17:18 |
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Kiall | So - Thoughts on trying to whittle that list down? :) | 17:19 |
mugsie | #1411442 can be bumped | 17:19 |
mugsie | oh, no bot | 17:19 |
Kiall | bug 1411442 | 17:20 |
openstack | bug 1411442 in Designate "Central Unit Tests need improvment" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411442 - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:20 |
Kiall | ;) | 17:20 |
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Kiall | Anyway - I meant more along the lines of getting them assigned and fixed ;) | 17:20 |
Kiall | Should we concentrate on the pool reliability review first, then reevaluate the list? I think many will be fixed as part of that.. | 17:21 |
mugsie | yeah, a lot of them are around that | 17:21 |
timsim | Yeah definitely. We might have some bandwidth over here to get some of those done. | 17:21 |
mugsie | timsim: cool, that would be great | 17:21 |
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Kiall | Okay, let's see where we are next week after landing the PM reliability review :) | 17:22 |
timsim | Cool. | 17:23 |
Kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:23 |
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Kiall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 17:23 |
timsim | So there's just two bugs in need of triage | 17:23 |
timsim | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1416337 | 17:23 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1416337 in Designate "Designate server create with concurrent request is not listing all servers even after successful creation." [Undecided,New] | 17:23 |
timsim | Has anyone had a chance to try and reproduce this? | 17:23 |
mugsie | yeah, I had a quick look, and couldnt reproduce | 17:24 |
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Kiall | That was filed by our QA department | 17:24 |
Kiall | Oh | 17:24 |
Kiall | No | 17:24 |
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Kiall | We have the same ticket internally - lol | 17:24 |
mugsie | but I am open to it actually being a bug, but i am not sure what is happening to cause it | 17:24 |
Kiall | I was sure they filed that upstream when I saw it -_ | 17:24 |
timsim | It seems possible that this person may be running Juno or something, I don't think they say. | 17:25 |
timsim | Should we mark it incomplete and ask for more information? | 17:25 |
Kiall | Yea, ideally that script they have and the version there running would be useful | 17:25 |
Kiall | If mugsie and timsim have tried + failed to reproduce, we'll need that | 17:25 |
mugsie | and the DB that is in use | 17:25 |
mugsie | if its something like SQLite, that might cause it | 17:26 |
timsim | Alright, we agreed on marking incomplete and asking for more information (DB, Designate version, script)? | 17:26 |
Kiall | Yep... | 17:26 |
timsim | Cool | 17:26 |
timsim | I'll do that | 17:26 |
timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1415560 | 17:26 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1415560 in python-designateclient "python-designateclient does not work against an non Keystoned designate" [High,New] | 17:26 |
rjrjr | agreed | 17:26 |
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Kiall | mugsie: ^ bug was one you filed | 17:27 |
mugsie | yup | 17:27 |
mugsie | it can go to triaged, and assigned to me | 17:27 |
Kiall | I'm guessing that means "Triaged" rather than "New" then? ;) | 17:27 |
timsim | Agreed. Milestone? | 17:28 |
mugsie | i forgot the extra steps after creation | 17:28 |
mugsie | none for client | 17:28 |
Kiall | No milestones used in the client projects :) | 17:28 |
mugsie | they just get released from time to time | 17:28 |
timsim | Well there you go then | 17:28 |
Kiall | Okay - That was the lot of new ones this week? 2 isn't bad ;) | 17:29 |
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Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:29 |
Kiall | As I said, agenda was light today - So, open discussion. Any off agenda items? | 17:29 |
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timsim | I'd like to introduce elarson_, he's new on our team, you'll be seeing a lot of him around :) | 17:30 |
jmcbride | I have one item. | 17:30 |
Kiall | jmcbride: shoot :) | 17:30 |
timsim | Haha, beat ya jmcbride | 17:30 |
jmcbride | timsim beat me to the punch! | 17:30 |
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mugsie | elarson_: welcome! | 17:30 |
Kiall | lol - stone jmcbride's thunder.. nice :) | 17:30 |
Kiall | and welcome elarson_ :) | 17:30 |
elarson_ | thanks all! | 17:30 |
jmcbride | elarson_ wrote cachecontrol, plays bass in a band and likes long walks in the park… | 17:31 |
Kiall | I saw your "I'm here" at the start and thought ekarlso had a new IRC nick ;) | 17:31 |
ekarlso | haha :p | 17:31 |
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* elarson_ also wondered if vinod1 was just a poor typist ;) | 17:31 | |
Kiall | lol | 17:31 |
Kiall | elarson_: so, you started this week? | 17:32 |
elarson_ | Kiall: yes, just yesterday | 17:32 |
Kiall | Ah - Give it time, timsim's really not as bad as he seems at first ;) | 17:32 |
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mugsie | he's worse ;) | 17:32 |
Kiall | Anyway - Welcome :) | 17:32 |
elarson_ | thanks :) | 17:32 |
timsim | Man I am on under the microscope today | 17:33 |
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Kiall | So - Any other topics? | 17:33 |
mugsie | timsim: is happens | 17:33 |
mugsie | it* | 17:33 |
timsim | At least I still got one over on jmcbride, so it's not a total loss ;) | 17:33 |
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Kiall | Oh - 1 other from me.. | 17:33 |
Kiall | There's a bunch of Designate related talks at the summit | 17:33 |
Kiall | VOTE ;) | 17:33 |
timsim | OH yeah | 17:34 |
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Kiall | https://openstack.org/vote-vancouver/ | 17:34 |
Kiall | and - tell your friends and grandparants and so on to vote too ;) | 17:34 |
timsim | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/dnsaas-with-designate-in-production | 17:35 |
timsim | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/challenges-architecture-and-solutions-for-massive-scale-lbaas-deployment-at-ebaypayal | 17:35 |
timsim | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/designate-interactive-workshop-install-and-operate-2 | 17:35 |
timsim | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/dns-for-your-cloud-openstack-designate | 17:35 |
timsim | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/adopting-designate-for-managing-mission-critical-ebaypaypal-dns | 17:35 |
timsim | #link https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/dns-for-your-cloud-openstack-designate | 17:35 |
Kiall | Okay - If there's nothing else then, let's call it a day! | 17:36 |
Kiall | Except for the TX folks, your only starting ;) | 17:36 |
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Kiall | Thanks all! | 17:36 |
Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 17:36:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-18-17.00.html | 17:36 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-18-17.00.txt | 17:36 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-02-18-17.00.log.html | 17:36 |
timsim | o/ | 17:36 |
mugsie | o/ | 17:37 |
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SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 18:00:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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amrith | ./ | 18:01 |
SlickNik | Giving folks a couple of minutes to trickle in. | 18:01 |
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georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
amrith | hello george! | 18:01 |
sushilkm | Hello everyone | 18:02 |
georgelorch | howdy there amrith! | 18:02 |
nshah | o/ | 18:02 |
edmondk | o/ | 18:02 |
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SlickNik | Agenda for today's meeting is at: | 18:02 |
SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Agenda_for_February_18_2015 | 18:02 |
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amrith | doing well georgelorch ... we needs to have speaks. I hear we're peddling something in Vancouver. ttyl | 18:02 |
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georgelorch | yes sir amrith, voting on the proposals starts very soon | 18:03 |
SlickNik | georgelorch: has already started — ends on Monday. | 18:03 |
sushilkm | Voting is already on :D | 18:03 |
SlickNik | Okay, let's get started. | 18:04 |
SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:04 |
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SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:04 |
SlickNik | So this is a follow up to the discussion we had at the mid-cycle review. | 18:04 |
SlickNik | We decided that we need to measure and keep an eye out on stats around reviews and merged patches — something to measure our momentum going forward. | 18:05 |
SlickNik | So we know when the gate is stalling, when reviews are drying up. | 18:05 |
SlickNik | I've complied statistics for the last week at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:06 |
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sushilkm | is this etherpad gonna be updated every week or so ... | 18:06 |
vkmc | o/ | 18:06 |
SlickNik | sushilkm: Yes, the idea is that every meeting we will have a quick 5 minute look at the pulse. | 18:07 |
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SlickNik | I'll compile, so that we will be able to look at the numbers over time as well. | 18:07 |
amrith | sushilkm, is kicking butt. | 18:07 |
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SlickNik | Thanks to all the folks who did reviews last week! | 18:07 |
sushilkm | it wud be gr8 to preserve the history of the pulse ;) | 18:08 |
edmondk | we have to be careful though when you know you are measuring something every week like this, it can cause people to only care about quantity over quality | 18:09 |
edmondk | that's the problem with statistics based measuring like this | 18:09 |
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SlickNik | edmondk: Yes, you need to take the stats with a dose of salt. | 18:09 |
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amrith | I propose that we eliminate the per-reviewer stats and only track the total reviews and the overall health metrics. That's what we care about, no? | 18:10 |
sushilkm | apart from measuring quantity of reviews, it has more info over there like no. of patches merged and no. of changes which are more exciting :) | 18:10 |
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amrith | after all, those who care about per rviewer stats can go to stackalytics | 18:10 |
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SlickNik | Interesting to note that our average wait times are huge even though our median and 3rd quartile wait times look reasonable. | 18:11 |
SlickNik | What that means is that we have really old changes that are not moving quickly. | 18:12 |
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SlickNik | I've been trying to identify those — and either abandon them if folks are not actively working on them, or get them reviewed if they don't have reviews. | 18:12 |
SlickNik | most fall into the former bucket so far — but the effort is ongoing. | 18:13 |
SlickNik | #action SlickNik to look at changes that are really old — and either abandon them if folks are not actively working on them, or review them if they don't have reviews. | 18:13 |
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SlickNik | Also credit where credit is due — I used slightly modified scripts that russellb wrote to get the details (you can check them out here https://github.com/openstack-infra/reviewstats) | 18:15 |
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SlickNik | Any questions? | 18:15 |
russellb | output here too http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/trove-openreviews.html | 18:16 |
SlickNik | Thanks russellb! | 18:17 |
SlickNik | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/trove-openreviews.html | 18:17 |
amrith | nice, that gives you the outliers | 18:17 |
edmondk | it would be also interesting to see what the pulse was last month | 18:18 |
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edmondk | to see how the new core reviewers have changed the momentum | 18:18 |
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russellb | yeah i haven't done anything to track historical data | 18:18 |
sushilkm | things seem to pick up since mid-cycle ... at least on reviews part, which is actually nice .... | 18:19 |
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SlickNik | Okay, we've got a fairly full agenda. I can look to see if there's a simple way to get historical data — but let's move on for now. | 18:20 |
SlickNik | sushilkm: agreed. | 18:20 |
SlickNik | #topic Trove related presentations/talks at the Liberty Summit | 18:20 |
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SlickNik | So I went through the summit talks and compiled a list of talks that were related to Trove | 18:21 |
SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-summit-trove-talks | 18:21 |
annashen | the deadline for vote? | 18:22 |
SlickNik | I'm planning to spend a chunk of time tomorrow going through all talks and voting for the ones I find interesting. | 18:22 |
sushilkm | looks like the big list lots of topics | 18:22 |
SlickNik | annashen: I believe the deadline is Monday 23rd, so make sure to get your votes in by then. | 18:23 |
annashen | SlickNik, will do! | 18:23 |
annashen | thanks | 18:23 |
SlickNik | I don't think there's any more to add here. Any questions? | 18:25 |
SlickNik | . | 18:26 |
SlickNik | #topic Trove Liberty Mid Cycle Sprint -- Initial planning for date / location | 18:26 |
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SlickNik | Just wanted to give folks a heads up here. | 18:27 |
SlickNik | Was planning into locations for the Liberty Mid cycle sprint — initial planning (so still tentative), but wanted to get a good idea of what dates worked well for folks. | 18:28 |
SlickNik | I've set up a doodle poll for this at http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a7 | 18:28 |
SlickNik | #link http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a7 | 18:28 |
SlickNik | The tentative location planned is Sunnyvale, CA. | 18:29 |
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peterstac | Will HP be hosting it again? | 18:31 |
SlickNik | #action Please fill out the doodle at http://doodle.com/candscrt36hg38a7 for tentative dates for the Liberty Mid Cycle Sprint. | 18:31 |
SlickNik | peterstac: Yes — getting confirmation on the exact location, etc but that's the plan. | 18:31 |
amrith | SlickNik, thanks for helping with the location | 18:32 |
amrith | Tesora would be happy to help with the hosting | 18:32 |
amrith | After all, peterstac still owes us all a round of drinks. | 18:32 |
dougshelley66 | peterstac did buy a round...just that only me and schang were there | 18:34 |
amrith | bah | 18:34 |
SlickNik | Hah, perhaps we could host it jointly then? Just wanted to get an idea of the dates for now so that I can lock in the location. | 18:34 |
SlickNik | We have some time to figure out the details. | 18:35 |
SlickNik | Okay, that's pretty much all I had for this topic — there's still more to cover on the agenda; let's move on. | 18:35 |
SlickNik | #topic Continue discussion of proposal to classify datastores and strategies | 18:36 |
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SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154119/4 | 18:36 |
amrith | sounds like I'm up | 18:36 |
amrith | I pushed up a spec (the link SlickNik just shared) | 18:36 |
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amrith | in the last review there were some questions about the actual implementation | 18:37 |
amrith | I proposed one in the latest version of the spec | 18:37 |
amrith | but if people feel that it is too much and the overhead of editing the dozen or so files when we move a datastore/strategy from one place to another isnt too much | 18:37 |
amrith | I can push code for this later today | 18:38 |
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amrith | ie. brute force editing of imports | 18:38 |
amrith | and moving the files around | 18:38 |
amrith | not very hard | 18:38 |
amrith | also there is a bit of a wrinkle I hadn't planned for | 18:38 |
amrith | cluster strategies are in trove/common not trove/guestagent | 18:38 |
amrith | so some questions for folks here | 18:38 |
amrith | 1. there aren't too many distinct places where one has to make an edit to move a datastore/strategy from one maturity level to another | 18:39 |
amrith | is brute force editing OK | 18:39 |
amrith | 2. For now MySQL will be the only stable datastore | 18:39 |
amrith | all others will be experimental or technical preview (percona and mariadb) | 18:39 |
amrith | 3. swift and mysql related strategies will be "stable" | 18:39 |
amrith | all others will be experimental. | 18:39 |
amrith | If those are OK, I'll push code this afternoon/tomorrow. | 18:40 |
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SlickNik | amrith: I haven't had a chance to review the current incarnation of the spec — I did have some comments on the previous one. | 18:41 |
amrith | SlickNik, I incorporated some text to reflect your comments. | 18:42 |
amrith | but what I'm proposing here pares that spec back even further. | 18:42 |
SlickNik | For 1. I know you were talking to the oslo folks — what are our alternatives? | 18:42 |
amrith | the only option they had was stevedore | 18:42 |
amrith | and that doesn't really help us much | 18:43 |
SlickNik | 2. sounds reasonable to me and seems in line with the discussion that we had at the mid-cycle. | 18:43 |
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amrith | the reason is that we do imports (which stevedore will help with) but we also have the use of things in configuration options | 18:43 |
amrith | and things like that | 18:43 |
amrith | which stevedore is useless for. | 18:43 |
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SlickNik | 3. builds on making strategies stable / experimental — that's not something that was discussed before, so hopefully folks can chime in on that. | 18:43 |
amrith | furthermore, we already have something (like stevedore) in terms of how we load strategies. | 18:43 |
amrith | hence the proposal to just brute force the edits | 18:44 |
amrith | isn't too painful | 18:44 |
amrith | we agree on #2 and #3 | 18:44 |
SlickNik | Amrith: stevedore won't currently work for the guest since it doesn't install any entry points, and having those is a pre-req for stevedore. | 18:45 |
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amrith | SlickNik, that takes care of that option. | 18:46 |
SlickNik | IMO: 3 is a good step in the right direction. Having the same test standard for strategies as well seems to make sense. | 18:46 |
SlickNik | Will put up my comments in the review. | 18:47 |
SlickNik | Anything else wrt this? | 18:47 |
amrith | should I revise the review and just document the brute-force naming? | 18:47 |
SlickNik | Yes, I think that's a good idea. | 18:49 |
amrith | ok, done | 18:49 |
amrith | I'm all set for now. | 18:49 |
amrith | thanks! | 18:49 |
SlickNik | Thank you! | 18:49 |
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SlickNik | #topic Open DIscussion | 18:49 |
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SlickNik | Any items for open discussion? | 18:50 |
vkmc | regarding reviews... the first item in the agenda | 18:51 |
vkmc | I was looking for this http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 18:51 |
vkmc | checkout trove branch reviews | 18:51 |
vkmc | there we have a 'Score' value we could use to prioritize reviews | 18:51 |
vkmc | (sorry I just brought it up, I couldn't find it earlier) | 18:52 |
SlickNik | vkmc: Good point | 18:52 |
SlickNik | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 18:53 |
vkmc | that's all from me :) | 18:54 |
edmondk | where does the score come from | 18:54 |
dougshelley66 | vkmc, that score heavily waits things just because they are old | 18:54 |
dougshelley66 | don't know if that always implies priority | 18:54 |
SlickNik | I think this has come up before. One of the things that was mentioned was that it doesn't seem to factor in that a review might be waiting on an update from the author — you'll see a lot of reviews that have -1 from multiple people that are high on that list because they are old. | 18:55 |
sushilkm | it looks its a combination of priority and oldness | 18:55 |
vkmc | dougshelley66, yeah, that's true generally | 18:55 |
SlickNik | But you could choose to add that to your personal filter. | 18:55 |
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SlickNik | Unfortunately, I don't think there's a silver bullet here. | 18:56 |
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SlickNik | The important part is that we actually do (more) reviews. | 18:56 |
vkmc | yeah.. there are many patches that are stalled because there is no activity from the contributor side | 18:57 |
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edmondk | Is there still a gate break with gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-troveclient-juno ? | 18:57 |
edmondk | that seems to be affecting some reviews on troveclient | 18:57 |
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amrith | edmondk, yes | 18:57 |
edmondk | been broken for like a week | 18:57 |
amrith | it is still broken | 18:58 |
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SlickNik | edmondk: Yes — is someone currently looking into that? | 18:58 |
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iccha | X019: around? | 18:59 |
SlickNik | We're out of time. Let's take this conversation to #openstack-trove | 18:59 |
SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 18:59:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-18-18.00.html | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-18-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-02-18-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
peterstac | SlickNik: I did some poking around, but didn't get very far | 18:59 |
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vkmc | thanks guys :) | 19:01 |
SlickNik | Thanks all! | 19:01 |
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xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 18 20:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
xgerman | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
ajmiller | o/\ | 20:00 |
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mwang2 | o/ | 20:00 |
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TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
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dougwig | Sort of | 20:01 |
xgerman | Agenda: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:02 |
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xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:02 |
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rm_work | o/ | 20:02 |
fnaval | o/ | 20:03 |
TrevorV | xgerman I have no progress Octavia side :( | 20:03 |
xgerman | I updated the api spec: | 20:04 |
xgerman | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126801/ | 20:04 |
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xgerman | I need +2s | 20:04 |
xgerman | mwang2, johnsom? | 20:04 |
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mwang2 | yes | 20:04 |
johnsom | I have rolled a few WIPs on controller worker. Should be able to do *something* useful this week. | 20:04 |
TrevorV | Awesome johnsom glad to hear it | 20:05 |
mwang2 | so i have submitted the health manager part, please feel free to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149802/6 | 20:05 |
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xgerman | awesome | 20:05 |
mwang2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149802 | 20:05 |
xgerman | ok, I think we can move on | 20:06 |
mwang2 | also i am working on the API doc task, will submit the new update shortly | 20:06 |
rm_work | I'll take a look at your review xgerman | 20:06 |
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xgerman | #topic python setup.py install fails | 20:06 |
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mwang2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148687/ | 20:06 |
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xgerman | johnsom you have got the floor | 20:06 |
xgerman | thanks rm_work | 20:07 |
johnsom | In setting up a test box for the controller worker I found that someone merged some "cache.py" code that breaks 'python setup.py install' | 20:07 |
johnsom | byte-compiling /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/octavia/openstack/common/cache/cache.py to cache.pyc | 20:07 |
johnsom | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/octavia/openstack/common/cache/cache.py", line 41 | 20:07 |
johnsom | def _get_oslo.configs(): | 20:07 |
johnsom | ^ | 20:07 |
johnsom | SyntaxError: invalid syntax | 20:07 |
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johnsom | Does anyone know anything about this code? | 20:08 |
dougwig | Sort of | 20:09 |
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clarkb | remove the '.'? | 20:09 |
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rm_work | yeah you can't have a dot in a function def... | 20:10 |
dougwig | That code should've been copied from incubator | 20:10 |
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johnsom | I am just not sure why this code is here, etc. I was looking for someone that has more background and could fix it, remove it, pull from upstream, whatever needs to happen | 20:11 |
crc32 | how did that even get merged? | 20:11 |
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xgerman | good question crc32 :-) | 20:11 |
dougwig | I can look today | 20:11 |
xgerman | thanks dougwig | 20:11 |
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johnsom | Thanks dougwig | 20:11 |
dougwig | On phone now | 20:12 |
xgerman | #action dougwig looks at broken setup.py | 20:12 |
johnsom | I would like to keep going on controller worker | 20:12 |
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xgerman | I guess we can move on | 20:12 |
xgerman | #topic amphora-haproxy driver | 20:12 |
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xgerman | So last time we decided that RAX would do a stop-gap ssh based driver whereas HP will try to get the REST based one done | 20:13 |
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TrevorV | sounds about right xgerman, with me on that SSH task. | 20:13 |
xgerman | we did some chatting in the channel prior to this meeting and the Q is should w emake two different drivers, one which can do both, or... | 20:13 |
rm_work | i would have assumed two different amp drivers? though it they share 90% of their code that seems a bit repetitive | 20:14 |
TrevorV | xgerman I don't think a dual-driver is the right answer personally. I think individual drivers is the right way to go. | 20:14 |
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xgerman | +1 | 20:14 |
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rm_work | ok yeah TrevorV points out code-share is virtually zero | 20:15 |
rm_work | sooo I'd assume two drivers | 20:15 |
rm_work | ssh-amp and rest-amp | 20:15 |
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rm_work | or whatever | 20:15 |
dougwig | It defeats the purpose of two if we couple them | 20:15 |
xgerman | ok, so I need to create another blueprint... | 20:15 |
TrevorV | I actually sort of considered the SSH "driver" in this case similar to the amphora API client I wrote a while back. | 20:15 |
TrevorV | Basically what ptoohill is writing/ has written will load either that client, or the ssh-driver I will make, and utilize that to configure HAProxy | 20:15 |
TrevorV | Does that sound right ptoohill ? | 20:16 |
ptoohill | no | 20:16 |
ptoohill | i wrote towards the amp api | 20:16 |
TrevorV | You wrote towards method definitions, right? | 20:16 |
TrevorV | The SSH driver can still implement those methods. | 20:16 |
ptoohill | sure | 20:16 |
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ptoohill | i also call your client... | 20:16 |
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TrevorV | That's what I'm talking about, the client. | 20:17 |
rm_work | there's an Amphora Interface, right? that all Amp drivers implement? | 20:17 |
ptoohill | then im unsure what youre getting at | 20:17 |
ptoohill | yes | 20:17 |
ptoohill | i was suggesting a possible shim/wrapper that could call either one of the 'backends' inorder to save on code dupe since they are essentially the same driver doing the same thing. But the ssh driver is just a temp solution so i suppose it doesnt matter how we do that one | 20:18 |
TrevorV | Alright, here is the disconnect I just had. | 20:18 |
ptoohill | i was just curious if the code i have out there was going to be reused by hp guys or not and if i should abandon that one and move forward with 'our' version | 20:19 |
TrevorV | I wasn't thinking the SSH code would live at a higher level than the REST client I wrote a while ago | 20:19 |
ptoohill | it wont | 20:19 |
xgerman | we are happyn to reuse | 20:19 |
ptoohill | granted it may just get overhauled anyhow, but was curious xgerman | 20:19 |
TrevorV | Right. Okay, so I guess I confused myself about what you were doing at the REST Driver layer you wrote ptoohill | 20:20 |
TrevorV | You import my client and use the methods right? | 20:20 |
ptoohill | yes | 20:20 |
TrevorV | So we're talking about adding an SSH implementation to THOSE methods? In the client? | 20:20 |
ptoohill | so call a rest client to do ssh? | 20:20 |
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TrevorV | That's exactly my problem, what are we talking about merging at this point? | 20:21 |
rm_work | the methods are what's specified in the interface for the amp driver | 20:21 |
rm_work | right? | 20:21 |
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xgerman | yep, we have the interface | 20:21 |
rm_work | right | 20:21 |
ptoohill | well either need to call a rest client OR and ssh 'client' to do things | 20:21 |
rm_work | so whatever driver is under the Amphora Interface | 20:22 |
xgerman | yep | 20:22 |
xgerman | and my impression was we needed two drivers but ther eis the question of reuse | 20:22 |
xgerman | sicne we need to generate a haproxy config file in both | 20:22 |
ptoohill | yea, which could be done with shim/wrapper and config option | 20:23 |
rm_work | I assumed there'd be another interface layer | 20:23 |
ptoohill | but, since the ssh one is temp(i assume) we can do it seperately and remove when done. unelss we plan on keeping this one also | 20:23 |
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ptoohill | theres not currently, but could be the other solution | 20:24 |
xgerman | I think we will stick to removing it | 20:24 |
rm_work | Controler -> Amp (HAProxy) Driver -> Communication (SSH || REST) Driver -> Amphora | 20:24 |
rm_work | *Controller | 20:24 |
xgerman | yeah, that would be another way to skin the cat | 20:24 |
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TrevorV | So that's what I was personally invisioning as well. | 20:26 |
TrevorV | We'd just have SSH instead of REST. | 20:26 |
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xgerman | that looks like a better way to me since we are just changing transport | 20:27 |
xgerman | (and some ssh magic) | 20:27 |
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ptoohill | im ok with anything honestly, i was just asking what should be done since i was the owner of the bp | 20:27 |
TrevorV | So what should happen, in my opinion, is we should make an interface for the communication step, and have the REST client I wrote before just be an implementation of that, and then make an SSH implementation of that as well, and then we're all gucci | 20:28 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:28 |
ptoohill | so then we plan on keeping the ssh stuff in tree? | 20:28 |
dougwig | the ssh driver is really meant to be quick and dirty. need an LB? ssh, apt-get install a bunch, cat > file, go. i'm not seeing where the amps share anything. one is far more sophisticated. | 20:28 |
ptoohill | +1 | 20:28 |
xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:28 |
ptoohill | the only thing would be config | 20:28 |
ptoohill | building it* | 20:29 |
ptoohill | which isnt tied directly into driver so it can be reused | 20:29 |
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ptoohill | yea, this is a non issue, i was just curious | 20:29 |
TrevorV | That's understandable dougwig, and while its still quick and dirty does it hurt keeping the communicative step abstract just in case someone wants to make something else be the communication piece? | 20:29 |
xgerman | yeah, and also part of LBaaS V2 | 20:29 |
rm_work | yeah right now that driver layer is the "WHAT" and the "HOW" | 20:29 |
rm_work | we need it to JUST be the WHAT (HAProxy, in our case), and the HOW would be either SSH or REST | 20:30 |
dougwig | TrevorV: only if you defeat the purpose of a quicker pass to demo-ware by tying schedules together. | 20:30 |
rm_work | it's "yet another layer" >_> | 20:30 |
rm_work | but | 20:30 |
ptoohill | i guess i dont see that as a thing though | 20:30 |
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ptoohill | this is a temp solution | 20:30 |
rm_work | eh | 20:30 |
ptoohill | that will be removed | 20:30 |
rm_work | I have to bbl | 20:30 |
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TrevorV | Sorry dougwig I don't actually know what you mean there. | 20:30 |
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ptoohill | lets just do two separate ones so we can do what we intially planned on with the ssh driver | 20:31 |
xgerman | ok, and that makes it easier for people working on it | 20:31 |
TrevorV | two separate ones what? | 20:31 |
ptoohill | indeed | 20:31 |
ptoohill | drivers | 20:31 |
xgerman | drivers | 20:31 |
TrevorV | So essentially write your layer again as SSH-HAProxy-Driver | 20:31 |
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xgerman | yep, the REST driver should not be mauch code anyway | 20:32 |
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dougwig | TrevorV: the point of a quick and dirty ssh driver is schedule risk mitigation. that's it. by tying it to *any* part of another schedule, you're diluting the point. it's not meant to be long-lived with tendrils into other things.. IMO. | 20:32 |
ptoohill | i just wanted to argue with xgerman today, thats all ;) | 20:33 |
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xgerman | #agreed write two drivers | 20:33 |
TrevorV | I still can't say I follow you dougwig but we can offline that. | 20:34 |
ptoohill | I am in agreement | 20:34 |
TrevorV | I don't, but there seem to be more in favor of it than against, so I'll deal :) | 20:34 |
xgerman | I like the reuse aspect as well as the scheudling one - so I am torn... | 20:35 |
xgerman | anyhow, let's move on | 20:35 |
xgerman | #topic Future of this meeting | 20:35 |
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xgerman | Yesterday in the lbaas meeting we decided to merge LBaaS and Octavia (merger of equals) | 20:36 |
xgerman | when it comes to meetingds | 20:36 |
dougwig | i think we decided to decide at vancouver. | 20:36 |
dougwig | btw, since folks didn't seem to know how the neutron on-demand stuff works, here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048328.html | 20:37 |
TrevorV | (I still think on-demand makes more sense for neutron lbaas, but eh) | 20:37 |
xgerman | yeah, I need to attend a few neutron meetings to form an opinion ;-) | 20:38 |
dougwig | half of them are nicely timed. the other half are good for our international folks. :) | 20:38 |
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xgerman | ok, so we will defer that to after Vancouver. | 20:39 |
TrevorV | So xgerman do we push this conversation off until after vancouver then? | 20:39 |
TrevorV | ha | 20:39 |
TrevorV | got it | 20:39 |
xgerman | yeah, I just wanted to make sure we got it mentioned ;-) | 20:40 |
xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:40 |
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dougwig | flavors! if anyone of you are interested in flavors in kilos, I need eyeballs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139758/ | 20:40 |
TrevorV | I can take a look later dougwig | 20:41 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:41 |
johnsom | Yes, cool, however in merge conflict. Review now or after that is cleaned up? | 20:41 |
TrevorV | If anyone has other spare review cycles, the LBaaS v2 Tempest API tests are well on their way to being finished | 20:41 |
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johnsom | I.e. is a patchset just about to land? | 20:42 |
dougwig | feedback is good now. +1 to just show support/desire, later. | 20:42 |
dougwig | i'm not doing one today, no. | 20:42 |
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johnsom | Ok, thanks | 20:42 |
dougwig | TrevorV: i'll be on those today | 20:42 |
xgerman | TrevorV we will have a look | 20:42 |
TrevorV | Alright, I think crc32 has the members one in progress still, but the other 4 could use some eyes | 20:43 |
TrevorV | Thanks guys | 20:43 |
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xgerman | anyhting else? | 20:44 |
xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:45 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 18 20:45:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:45 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-18-20.00.html | 20:45 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-18-20.00.txt | 20:45 |
TrevorV | Bye all! | 20:45 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-02-18-20.00.log.html | 20:45 |
xgerman | bye | 20:45 |
TrevorV | I'll update meeting minutes | 20:45 |
xgerman | thanks | 20:45 |
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