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| jaypipes_ | mkoderer: no telco WG meeting now? | 13:03 |
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| amitry | I thought it was now as well | 13:03 |
| amitry | ping sgordon | 13:04 |
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| sgordon | sorry | 13:04 |
| amitry | np | 13:04 |
| sgordon | isnt it at 1400 UTC? | 13:04 |
| sgordon | im getting current tim eas 1300 UTC but i might be crazy | 13:05 |
| amitry | DST, my bad | 13:05 |
| sgordon | amitry, jaypipes_ ^^ | 13:05 |
| sgordon | np usually it's my bad >:D | 13:06 |
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| jaypipes_ | sgordon: guh. stung by DST. thx :) | 13:06 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 14:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:00 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| sgordon | hi all | 14:00 |
| sgordon | who is around for the telco working group meeting? | 14:00 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:01 |
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| vks | hi | 14:01 |
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| DaSchab | hi | 14:01 |
| gmatefi | hi | 14:01 |
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| ian_ott | hi | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #topic AIs from last week | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AIs from last week (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:02 | |
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| mkoderer | hi | 14:02 |
| sgordon | i dont see dcw around so will carry their action item over | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #action dcw to draft SIP load-balancing use-case for wiki/etherpad initially, will need assistance with git submission | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #info sgordon was to email list asking to divide up other existing use cases for git submission | 14:02 |
| sgordon | so that didnt happen | 14:02 |
| sgordon | the three i believe we need to convert from wiki/etherpad to RST are: | 14:03 |
| sgordon | VPN Instantiation | 14:03 |
| sgordon | Session Border Controller | 14:03 |
| sgordon | Access to physical network resources | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | i can take access to physical network resources to convert | 14:03 |
| sgordon | any other volunteers? | 14:03 |
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| mkoderer | we need an wiki2rst tool :) | 14:03 |
| cloudon | I can do SBC, but maybe not for next week | 14:03 |
| DaSchab | i can help to transfer a usecase from wiki to gerrit | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to convert "access to physical network resources" to RST | 14:03 |
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| matrohon | I'm volunteering for the VPN Instantiation :) | 14:03 |
| vks | i can take one | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #action cloudon to convert SBC to RST | 14:04 |
| vks | but someone need to tell me process:) | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #action matrohon to convert VPN Instantiation | 14:04 |
| sgordon | that covers the three i had | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | i suspect we have a couple of others linked in etherpads | 14:04 |
| sgordon | so let me get back to you on that vks | 14:04 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | I already ported the session border controller I guess | 14:04 |
| vks | ok after meeting of t fine with u | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | just needs to be refresehs with the new structrue | 14:05 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#Work_In_Progress | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, +1 | 14:05 |
| sgordon | thanks for that | 14:05 |
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| DaSchab | "access to physical network resources" could also be done by the author. i already contacted him | 14:05 |
| sgordon | DaSchab, ah cool | 14:05 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | #info Author of access to physical network resources use case can also be converted by the author | 14:05 |
| DaSchab | ...if not i will take care of it | 14:06 |
| sgordon | so on that WIP page there were a couple of others in various states | 14:06 |
| sgordon | Service Chaining, Orchestration, all the fun ones | 14:06 |
| vks | sgordon, i remember a telco orchestration use use case | 14:06 |
| sgordon | ;) | 14:06 |
| mkoderer | vks: yep this is not yet done :) | 14:06 |
| sgordon | service chaining is an important one | 14:06 |
| vks | ok will take | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | as there was already some interest on the dev list on revisiting this in the neutron design summit | 14:07 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: we will do service chaining hopefully today :) | 14:07 |
| sgordon | as we head into Liberty | 14:07 |
| sgordon | having concrete use cases will help guide that discussion | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | #action mkoderer and/or vks to convert service chaining use case to RST | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | perhaps mkoderer can do the initial conversion and then vks can help with comments/updates? | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | since i know mkoderer is familiar with the process already | 14:08 |
| ybabenko | hi | 14:08 |
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| vks | sgordon, fine | 14:08 |
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| sgordon | ok | 14:08 |
| mkoderer | ybabenko: will do it .. I am just the teacher :) | 14:08 |
| sgordon | thanks all for the help with that | 14:08 |
| sgordon | many hands make light work and all that | 14:08 |
| mkoderer | we will cordinate later :) | 14:08 |
| sgordon | #topic use case reviews | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "use case reviews (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:08 | |
| sgordon | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 14:08 |
| ybabenko | hi, we plan to place the draft today or tomorrow on gerrit | 14:08 |
| sgordon | still some updates on the vIMS and security segregation reviews | 14:09 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:stackforge/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 14:09 |
| sgordon | reviews welcome! | 14:09 |
| mkoderer | we need more reviewers! | 14:09 |
| sgordon | for anyone not sure how to review i put some notes together here: | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#Reviewing_Use_Cases | 14:09 |
| sgordon | need some guinea pigs to see what i missed :) | 14:09 |
| adrian-hoban | I'll get my reviews in today | 14:09 |
| sgordon | excellent | 14:10 |
| mkoderer | if you have any questions to the process just contact me or sgordon | 14:10 |
| sgordon | +1 | 14:10 |
| adrian-hoban | Sure thing | 14:10 |
| sgordon | between us and aveiga there is someone to ask in #openstack-nfv most of the time | 14:10 |
| sgordon | #info contact aveiga, sgordon, or mkoderer in #openstack-nfv if you are having issues submitting/reviewing use cases | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | #topic use case template | 14:11 |
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| sgordon | there were some minor updates to the template this week | 14:11 |
| sgordon | mainly some syntax examples | 14:11 |
| sgordon | i also have to add a user stories/personas section per the discussion at the mid-cycle | 14:11 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to add user stories/personas section to the template | 14:12 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: what is it about? | 14:12 |
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| sgordon | so the suggestion was we need to actually define the user | 14:12 |
| sgordon | or more accurately probably the users or actors that are relevant | 14:12 |
| sgordon | as there may be multiple | 14:13 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: ok do we have to change the existing use cases for that? | 14:13 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, my personal opinion is it's not mandatory | 14:14 |
| margaret__ | mkoderer: let me know if you want to understand the VPN use case since i wrote it :-) | 14:14 |
| mkoderer | IMHO this can be optional? or we have a "general" definition for personas | 14:14 |
| sgordon | but would be nice | 14:14 |
| sgordon | that is i dont think we can retrospectively say "your use case sucks because it doesnt include this thing we hadn't thought of" | 14:14 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:14 |
| ybabenko | margaret__: can you provide us your comment on SFC use-case? | 14:14 |
| matrohon | margaret__ : I took the action to translate the VPN use case in RST | 14:15 |
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| margaret__ | Sure I need to look at it | 14:15 |
| ybabenko | margaret__: that would be helpful :) | 14:15 |
| matrohon | margaret__ : you surely can help me :) | 14:15 |
| margaret__ | matrohon: let me know if you want to have a call to talk about the VPN use case | 14:15 |
| margaret__ | my email is mchiosi@att.com | 14:16 |
| matrohon | margaret__ : thanks, I'll email you | 14:16 |
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| sgordon | fwiw at margaret__'s prompting i had also put the template forward in the opnfv group | 14:17 |
| sgordon | to try and ensure we're speaking the same language | 14:17 |
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| mkoderer | the same template would ease up sharing alot | 14:18 |
| margaret__ | I think folks are fine with using the same template | 14:18 |
| sgordon | indeed | 14:18 |
| sgordon | i think everyone is pretty onboard with at least trying to use the same format | 14:18 |
| vks | sgordon, +1 | 14:18 |
| matrohon | concerning VPN use cases, what do you think about trying to sum up work in progress in openstack, in the RST? | 14:18 |
| margaret__ | We are all tired of re-inventing the wheel :-) | 14:19 |
| sgordon | thread here for those interested: | 14:19 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.opnfv.org/pipermail/opnfv-tech-discuss/2015-March/thread.html#1525 | 14:19 |
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| sgordon | matrohon, i think we have a section for that | 14:19 |
| mkoderer | matrohon: we have a "gap analysis" section for it | 14:19 |
| sgordon | under "Affected By" | 14:20 |
| matrohon | sgordon : great! | 14:20 |
| sgordon | "If you are aware of any work in progress that will affect this use case, | 14:20 |
| sgordon | please list it here. Include links to a spec or blueprint or bug report | 14:20 |
| sgordon | where applicable." | 14:20 |
| sgordon | so you can put in the use case both what's already in progress | 14:20 |
| sgordon | and what's outstanding as a gap | 14:20 |
| matrohon | ok, I've to get more familiar with the template :) | 14:20 |
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| mkoderer | ok so back to topic :) | 14:21 |
| sgordon | the final topic *I* had was the other meeting time | 14:21 |
| sgordon | #topic meeting time | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "meeting time (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:21 | |
| sgordon | due to low attendance i want to move it somewhat earlier without going back to completely ignoring west coast US... | 14:21 |
| sgordon | the gap im looking at atm is 1900 UTC - 3 PM EDT, Midday PST, 8 PM CET | 14:22 |
| sgordon | (again, for the other time slot) | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | i will send a mail on this though since people who can only make the other slot - if they exist - will not be in this session in all likelihood | 14:22 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon propose 1900 UTC - 3 PM EDT, Midday PST, 8 PM CET for other meeting time slot | 14:22 |
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| DaSchab | thats a bad time for people from asia, i guess | 14:23 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:23 |
| vks | sgordon, 1800UTC | 14:23 |
| vks | DaSchab, correct | 14:23 |
| mkoderer | so idea is to stick to two different alternating slots? | 14:23 |
| sgordon | vks, suggesting 1800 UTC instead of 1900 UTC? | 14:23 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, that is an open question as well | 14:24 |
| sgordon | i would be open to consolidating on just one but if we do that it probably has to be later than this slot | 14:24 |
| vks | sgordon, for asia region 1900 UTC will be bit late | 14:24 |
| mkoderer | I personally like this slot :) | 14:24 |
| DaSchab | do we have currently people from asia working in the telcowg? | 14:25 |
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| sgordon | yeah this slot typically works better for me too | 14:25 |
| sgordon | so im biased | 14:25 |
| matrohon | mkoderer : me too :) | 14:25 |
| sgordon | the maint thing is that with the the 2200 UTC slot we have now | 14:25 |
| sgordon | it's basically me or anthony talking to ourselves | 14:25 |
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| sgordon | low to no attendance | 14:25 |
| vks | mkoderer, +1 | 14:25 |
| margaret__ | We may get more folks if we move the slot from asia. But to be fair there are alot of other projects they are engaged in fighting for the same time slots :-) | 14:25 |
| sgordon | yes indeed | 14:26 |
| sgordon | even from an openstack perspective there is a fair glut of meetings (even with four meeting rooms) at the ideal times | 14:26 |
| margaret__ | For OPNFV we have alot of asia - china mobile, huawei, ZTE, docomo, south korea | 14:26 |
| mkoderer | 19 UTC works for me much better then 22 UTC... so +1 for it | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | let me take it to the list | 14:26 |
| cloudon | +1 to 19 UTC | 14:26 |
| sgordon | i think there are two proposals here | 14:26 |
| sgordon | either a) move the alternate to 1900 UTC | 14:27 |
| sgordon | or b) consolidate on this time slot | 14:27 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to post meeting timeslot proposal to list - either (a) move alternate meeting to 1900 UTC or (b) consolidate on the earlier time slot | 14:27 |
| sgordon | #topic other business | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | so, does anyone have something else they would like to raise? | 14:28 |
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| dcw | sorry i was a little late in joining the meeting today | 14:28 |
| dcw | i submitted a use-case - what’s next? | 14:28 |
| sgordon | i apologize my attention is somewhat split today as im dealing with another meeting | 14:28 |
| sgordon | dcw, excellent | 14:28 |
| sgordon | dcw, do you have a link | 14:28 |
| mkoderer | dcw: thanks for that | 14:28 |
| dcw | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases | 14:28 |
| sgordon | ahh SIP Load-Balancer-as-a-Service | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | dcw: MNO/MVNO Use Case? | 14:29 |
| dcw | yes, SIP LBaas | 14:29 |
| sgordon | #info dcw added SIP Load-Balancer-as-a-Service to wiki page | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | ah ok | 14:29 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#SIP_Load-Balancing-as-a-Service | 14:30 |
| sgordon | dcw, so do you want some assistance converting that to RST format? | 14:31 |
| sgordon | i believe this was what we discussed last week | 14:31 |
| dcw | i ca have a go - just wanted some early feedback if i was on the right track | 14:31 |
| dcw | in terms of the content and style | 14:31 |
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| mkoderer | dcw: the review process works well for early feedback too | 14:32 |
| margaret__ | LB should start getting absorbed into the NFV platform and not a separate entity | 14:32 |
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| margaret__ | In fact maybe the SDN controller should perform this... | 14:32 |
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| sgordon | dcw, it looks good on face value - as part of the review we can further tease out gaps | 14:32 |
| dcw | okay, i’ll try my hand at a git submission | 14:33 |
| mkoderer | dcw: if you have any issue with that contact us on #openstack-nfv | 14:33 |
| sgordon | #action dcw will work on converting to RST In git | 14:33 |
| sgordon | +1 again feel free to ask if you need help | 14:33 |
| margaret__ | What is the process on reviewing submissions? just update the etherpad? | 14:34 |
| ybabenko | margaret__: git | 14:34 |
| mkoderer | margaret__: it's the usual openstack review process | 14:34 |
| sgordon | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TelcoWorkingGroup/UseCases#Reviewing_Use_Cases | 14:34 |
| sgordon | like i said, looking for guinea pigs to see what steps i missed if any | 14:34 |
| mkoderer | margaret__: the etherpads and wiki entries are outdatet when we have started the review process | 14:35 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon: I guess it would be a good idea to remove them | 14:35 |
| sgordon | yeah with a pointer to the review entry | 14:36 |
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| margaret__ | ok | 14:36 |
| dcw | agreed, it confusing to have three versions | 14:36 |
| sgordon | #info once you have moved a use case to git, update the etherpad/wiki with the link (replacing the content) | 14:36 |
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| mkoderer | we also need to publish the rst/html use cases somewhere | 14:37 |
| mkoderer | I need to talk to openstack infra about it | 14:37 |
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| mkoderer | specs.openstack.org would be a quick solution | 14:37 |
| sgordon | yeah | 14:37 |
| sgordon | agree | 14:37 |
| mkoderer | but "specs" is a bit misleading | 14:37 |
| sgordon | right | 14:38 |
| mkoderer | we could also talk to other user groups... may they want define use cases too | 14:38 |
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| sgordon | do you know if the api working group publishes somewhere? | 14:38 |
| mkoderer | like enterprise group etc.. | 14:38 |
| sgordon | they are the main group using a similar process today | 14:38 |
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| sgordon | yes i actually put forward the template in WTE | 14:38 |
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| mkoderer | jaypipes_: ^ any clue? | 14:39 |
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| mkoderer | I think the api group doesn't have any use cases to publish? | 14:39 |
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| mkoderer | not totally sure :) | 14:39 |
| sgordon | not exactly | 14:39 |
| mkoderer | ok .. I will talk to jay later and ask him :) | 14:40 |
| matrohon | I wonder what is the next step for those specs? should a patch, that partially implements a Telco spec, have a link to the spec in the commit msg? | 14:40 |
| sgordon | they have their own repo | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i thought they were publishing from it | 14:40 |
| jaypipes_ | mkoderer: not entirely sure... will get back to you on that (I always just go look at the formatted RST docs on github...) | 14:40 |
| sgordon | matrohon, so in theory the use cases we build here | 14:40 |
| sgordon | are ultimately to be used as the use case justification for a design spec | 14:41 |
| sgordon | that is the idea anyway | 14:41 |
| matrohon | sgordon : fine, seems reasonable | 14:41 |
| sgordon | hopefully what we are creating is more detailed/accurate use cases to facilitate this | 14:41 |
| mkoderer | jaypipes_: thx for that | 14:42 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon: matrohon: I guess we need at least one use case that goes trough the process and optimize it then | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | +! | 14:43 |
| sgordon | +1 even | 14:43 |
| ybabenko | mkoderer: let us take security zones? | 14:43 |
| mkoderer | ybabenko: for me this use case is simple enought to test it :) | 14:43 |
| ybabenko | in the end this will be mandatory req for any ISP | 14:43 |
| sgordon | how are we defining "take" here | 14:44 |
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| sgordon | since i believe the use case is up for review | 14:44 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:44 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163399/ | 14:44 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: what do you mean by take? | 14:44 |
| sgordon | im actually asking you | 14:45 |
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| sgordon | from my point of view in terms of actually teasing it out from here the more the merrier | 14:45 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: the idea to foucs on that review since it's a quite simple one | 14:45 |
| sgordon | ok i agree with that | 14:45 |
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| sgordon | i think this one is very generally easy to understand for people without a telco background too | 14:46 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: I see ... we should pick a use-case which is common for majority of folks here (ISP, NSP, etc). | 14:46 |
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| sgordon | agree | 14:47 |
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| mkoderer | any other topic? | 14:47 |
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| sgordon | appreciate all the discussion today folks | 14:48 |
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| sgordon | and also the many who volunteered for AIs! | 14:48 |
| sgordon | :) | 14:48 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 14:48:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-03-25-14.00.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-03-25-14.00.txt | 14:48 |
| margaret__ | I will need alot of help on reviewing the use cases through gerrit - Ionly see 2. | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-03-25-14.00.log.html | 14:48 |
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| rkukura | Hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello | 16:01 |
| rkukura | who else is here? | 16:01 |
| amotoki | hi, sorry for a long absence. | 16:01 |
| rkukura | amotoki: welcome back! | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | we missed you amotoki | 16:02 |
| moshele | hi | 16:02 |
| banix | hi | 16:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:02 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:03 |
| rkukura | looks like we’ve got quorum, so lets start… | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 16:03:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | just the usual agenda - anyone want to add anything? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | OK, … | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:06 | |
| rkukura | RC's are April 9-23 and Kilo release on April 30 | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | #link RC-1 content: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 16:07 |
| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:07 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion | 16:08 |
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| rkukura | Anything new on this, or any issues to discuss? | 16:09 |
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| amotoki | I have nothing, but i think we need to discuss linuxbridge CI for liberty. | 16:10 |
| rkukura | sadasu: You had some issues last time - have they been resolved? | 16:10 |
| shivharis | is it still possible for some shim to still get in by rc1 | 16:10 |
| shivharis | some seems to be marked as such | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | sadasu: I see your bug is included in RC1 content list - So, I assumed everything worked out | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: yes | 16:11 |
| rkukura | amotoki: agreed CI is needed - rcurran found one issue with LB introduced by my HPB work | 16:11 |
| amotoki | shivharis: no strict criteria so far. If it is stable, I think it is okay. | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | shivharis: Does it require a spec? | 16:11 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: ok, thanks | 16:11 |
| shivharis | Sukhdev: no, but the bug got marked as RC1 | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: If spec is required, then no - otherwise, yes | 16:12 |
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| shivharis | Sukhdev: ok | 16:12 |
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| sadasu | rkukura, Sukhdev: I am all set with the vendor spilt..thansk for checking! | 16:12 |
| rkukura | sadasu: great! | 16:12 |
| rkukura | Anything else on decomposition today? | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: I noticed your patch is not linked to your bug - found it a bit odd :-) | 16:13 |
| amotoki | Sukhdev: shivharis: a spec for decomposition is not required. | 16:13 |
| amotoki | we no longer need a spec for new drivers too. | 16:13 |
| Sukhdev | amotoki: good point - thanks | 16:13 |
| rkukura | amotoki: Do we need these linked to bugs then? | 16:13 |
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| shivharis | amotoki: got it, a bug is sufficient | 16:14 |
| amotoki | yes. all vendor decomposition stuffs are tracked thru bugs. | 16:14 |
| rkukura | OK, anything else on decomposition before we move on? | 16:14 |
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| amotoki | it is recommended in the vendor decomposition documents | 16:14 |
| shivharis | would like to commend armax for all the help he provided at all odd hours, three cheers | 16:15 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: If you notice, sadasu bug is included in the RC1, but, her patch is not linked to the bug - hence, I thought it was bit odd | 16:15 |
| rkukura | sadasu: Can you update your patch to reference the bug in the commit message? | 16:15 |
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| armax | shivharis: thanks! I was impressed all the good work that happened this cycle | 16:15 |
| shivharis | armax: thanks a LOT (all caps) | 16:16 |
| rkukura | I have a question for the team on decomposition... | 16:16 |
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| sadasu | rkukura: I have, but not sure why it isn't showing up in the bug..will look again | 16:16 |
| amotoki | no spec is required for new drivers. it is documented here http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/devref/contribute.html#blueprint-spec-submission-strategy thanks armax | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | When this was all debated and discussed and planned, we seemed to have some concensus around keeping the code that implements and uses the ML2 driver API as part of the in-tree shim layer. I see that some drivers have done this, while others have all executable code outside the neutron tree. | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: check commit message on the patch | 16:18 |
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| sadasu | Sukhdev: will do | 16:19 |
| rkukura | Do we still feel there is potential value in keeping the code that is exposed to driver API evolution in-tree? | 16:19 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: during that discussion, it was left to the vendors to make the decision as to how much they want to keep in the tree and what they want to take out | 16:19 |
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| armax | rkukura: I think we need to sit down at the summit and discuss next steps | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Agreed there is flexibility, and I’m not arguing for complete uniformity. | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: I think over time folks may move more and more code out of the tree depending upon the changes | 16:20 |
| armax | rkukura: I don’t believe we’re completed yet | 16:20 |
| shivharis | rkukura, Sukhdev: that was my understanding as well, the vendor decides | 16:20 |
| rkukura | Defintitely seems like a good design sumit topic | 16:21 |
| shivharis | summit topic: +1 | 16:21 |
| rkukura | OK, anything else on decomposition today? | 16:21 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) | 16:21 |
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| rkukura | manishg_: Any update on this? | 16:22 |
| rkukura | I have not had a chance to revisit the current patch and the comments on it myself | 16:22 |
| shivharis | #action: Add decomposition extent as Summit topic in some etherpad (to be decided) | 16:22 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: the only comment I got in patch was from Sukhdev. So want to discuss that. | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | #action Add next steps for decomposition to list of design summit topics | 16:23 |
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| manishg_ | To do what Sukhdev is suggesting, we need to have some RPC or API change. But I suggest we do that in round two. | 16:23 |
| banix | i am not sure if that is needed though | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | banix: would love to hear your point of view | 16:24 |
| manishg_ | banix: can you elaborate | 16:24 |
| rkukura | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154333/ | 16:24 |
| banix | is it possible to eventually reach a consistent state without freezing updates sukhdev? | 16:24 |
| banix | I am thinking (and I may be totally off!) that if the resync happens on an accumulative basis, we may not need the freeze | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | banix: eventually, maybe, but, will create a lots of churn in the system - | 16:25 |
| manishg_ | Sukhdev's point is that the backend switch may at any point (after reaching consistent state) may declare to neutron plugin that the state has changed | 16:25 |
| banix | Manish, well the authorative source is the Neutron DB. right? | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | banix: keep in mind a scenario where you have multiple Neutron controllers - | 16:26 |
| rkukura | I think we need to decide between a model where the the backends are eventually consistent with the DB state vs. a model where DB state can’t change until backend state is synced. | 16:26 |
| manishg_ | banix: and Sukhdev is proposing that we change that so that we let the backend update the db state. | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: good way to put it | 16:27 |
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| manishg_ | I think there may be confusion here about eventually consistent. From what I understand, Sukhdev's point is that after DB state is ACTIVE (everyone agreed it is ACTIVE ; | 16:27 |
| manishg_ | everyone = all registered drivers) | 16:27 |
| banix | hmmmm manishg_ Sukhdev that sounds problamatic but sukhdev has thought much more about this | 16:27 |
| manishg_ | and then the backend can come and say 'hey , wait a minute.... I'm all messed up again... pls change state to CREATINGT' | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | banix: I want to make sure that you understood the issue correctly | 16:28 |
| banix | so i guess the question is if that is necessary | 16:28 |
| manishg_ | Sukhdev, can you comment on if I expressed your point correctly? | 16:28 |
| banix | Sukhdev: yes i may be missing the point | 16:28 |
| Sukhdev | manishg_: you are right on - | 16:28 |
| manishg_ | thanks Sukhdev. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | banix: Say you are in ACTIVE state - all is OK evreybody is in sync | 16:29 |
| manishg_ | banix: so my point is , that if we want to do this then you need another API to come back and update sate (you can't do it under the covers) | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | manishg_, Sukhdev: Are you to proposing the further state changes via the API be blocked when one or more backends are out of sync? | 16:29 |
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| manishg_ | rkukura: Sukhdev's point is independent of wether we block or not. | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | and, you have two or three controllers running (of course one common DB), with 10K+ ports in question on 4K networks | 16:30 |
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| manishg_ | I pointed out two clear issues in the patch. one of them is about blocking further operations. | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | at this point, the back-end resets (or switches over in HA case) - you need to bring it back into sync state | 16:30 |
| manishg_ | another is about what Sukhdev raised. | 16:31 |
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| banix | Sukhdev: come on now. i thought you were using a single node install for everything :) just kidding… please continue | 16:31 |
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| manishg_ | Sukhdev: what you are asking for is basically monitoring feedback and based on that updating the active state. | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | I’d like some read-only attribute in the API (status or something else) to show whether or not the backends are all in sync, but am opposed to failing or blocking new API requests while backends are out of sync. | 16:32 |
| manishg_ | From neutron point of view, all we really need to decide is if state-change is permissible by driver. If yes, need an api. | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | while you are brining the back-end into sync the other cotrollers are spraying addiional transactions, some of them are updating resources that you have aready synced | 16:32 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: complications about blocking or non-blocking mentioned in patch comments. | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | and some are being updated while they are in the process of being synced... | 16:33 |
| manishg_ | Sukhdev: your point is similar to this.... nova should change the state of VM based on wether it's pingable or not (just an example) | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | You potentially could end up in a state when DB and back-end go out of sync (unless you create a protocol between the controllers to signal that they are done) | 16:34 |
| manishg_ | and there could be an agent that changes this state - the one that is pinging (e.g.). | 16:34 |
| banix | Sukhdev: I think the sync shouldn’t be a start from scratch kind of operation…. blocking the incoming requests would be a big issue | 16:34 |
| manishg_ | How about we discuss the blocking issues first then. | 16:35 |
| rkukura | I’d really recommend we focus first on the right behavior from the point of view of normal and admin client APIs, then figure out how to evolve ML2 and its drivers to provide that. | 16:35 |
| manishg_ | Has anyone read my comments in the patch? | 16:35 |
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| amotoki | btw (I am a bit confused. let me ask as a newcomer) Is there any docs about problem description, what we try to address, and possible approaches? | 16:35 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: +1 | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev | we all said things in parallel - let me go back and read everybody's comments :-) | 16:35 |
| amotoki | it seems we are discussing multiple things derived from async discussion: state model, neutron-backedn sycn, asycn operation and so on. | 16:35 |
| banix | my thinking was and I may be wrong let me admit, that the controller is teh agent that could detect if anything is out of sync | 16:35 |
| manishg_ | Sukhdev: that's why let's discuss one by one. banix: Sukhdev's main point is independent of blocking issue. | 16:35 |
| banix | manishg_: go ahead | 16:36 |
| manishg_ | let's discuss the blocking issue. the issue is this | 16:36 |
| manishg_ | while we are in intermediate state, should operations be permitted on that resourse | 16:36 |
| manishg_ | i.e. based on a transition table. | 16:36 |
| banix | (by controller i meant the plugin in my last comment) | 16:37 |
| manishg_ | or should we not block and just let users do whatever they would have done , as-if sync | 16:37 |
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| manishg_ | I have pointed out the issue in the comment in the patch. I think the discussion can happen there too - since these are fundamental issues. | 16:38 |
| rkukura | Do we have any hard requirements that drivers see all intermediate states? Or do they just need to move from whatever their previous state was to whatever the current state is? | 16:38 |
| banix | manishg_: i think this is a bit different from what Sukhdev had written with respect to blocking | 16:38 |
| manishg_ | banix: there are two issues. Sukhdev , as far as I could see, wsa talking about specific implementation. | 16:39 |
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| manishg_ | can folks please read the patch? I have pointed out the issues (hopefully in a lucid manner but let me know if there is confusion) | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev | sorry - I was reading everybody's comments - back now :-) | 16:40 |
| banix | Sukhdev: but now you are out of sync with the latest | 16:40 |
| GLaupre | (hard to follow :P) | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | So, I am not really proposing blocking for everything - just on a specific resource which is being sync'ed | 16:40 |
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| Sukhdev | banix: :-) | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev | Or alternatively, a separate flag which states that the system is not in fully sync state | 16:41 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Doesn’t that sort of blocking push a lot of complexity into the clients? Clients need to know to retry, deal with API timeouts, etc. | 16:41 |
| banix | manishg_: Sukhdev got it wrt blocking | 16:41 |
| banix | manishg_: could you state the second issue | 16:42 |
| amotoki | In my understanding, out of sync and being in a pending state are different things. | 16:42 |
| manishg_ | let me copy/ paste from the patch comment. | 16:42 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: correct - it does make it complex - | 16:42 |
| manishg_ | This was discussed in ML2 meeting again today. Two main points from there: | 16:42 |
| manishg_ | 1) Allow changing of state from ACTIVE -> Creating based on some event. 2) Allow operations while in Intermediate state | 16:42 |
| rkukura | manishg_: I was confused on that. | 16:42 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: hence, I am not saying solve it only in one way - we should collectively think and come up with a clean soluton | 16:42 |
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| manishg_ | based on above #1 is what Sukhdev was asking for. #2 is what rkukura was suggesting. | 16:43 |
| manishg_ | #2 here "Allow operations while in Intermediate state" is more of a fundamental decision that need to be made. | 16:43 |
| rkukura | manishg_: Right | 16:44 |
| manishg_ | I suggest we put the other issue on the backburner till we're done with this. | 16:44 |
| manishg_ | otherwise we'll keep doing some crosstalk and confuse the issues. | 16:44 |
| rkukura | Let’s try to wrap up this topic in a coupe minutes so we have some time to discuss bugs. | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev | manishg_: keep going... | 16:44 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: many folks said they are interested in this however I do not see anyone commenting in the patch. | 16:45 |
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| amotoki | manishg_: the code does not explain the thing enough. can we document the approaches we discussed so far? | 16:45 |
| Sukhdev | manishg_: one word - busy :-):-) | 16:45 |
| manishg_ | amotoki : the comments have details. | 16:45 |
| banix | manishg_: we are introvert kind of people. talk to ourselves | 16:45 |
| manishg_ | haha :) | 16:45 |
| rkukura | manishg_: I expect myself (and maybe others) to be able to give this more attention once kilo work is wrapped up | 16:46 |
| banix | will go to the review page | 16:46 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: okay thanks. Should we put this on hold till then? | 16:46 |
| manishg_ | otherwise, we won't be able to make much progress. | 16:46 |
| manishg_ | as the time is limited here. | 16:46 |
| Sukhdev | manishg_: I did review the code | 16:46 |
| manishg_ | Sukhdev : just the comments (where I point out the issues). Should I create a doc? | 16:47 |
| manishg_ | we can do that too. | 16:47 |
| manishg_ | let me know what is a convenient forum. | 16:47 |
| Sukhdev | manishg_: Actually writing a document is a great idea | 16:47 |
| manishg_ | in the comment (Mar/11) I pointed out issues and problems solving some of them. | 16:47 |
| rkukura | Maybe we should schedule a separate meeting on this topic rather than spending a few minutes on it each week. I think we could all better prepare for that | 16:47 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: +1 | 16:48 |
| amotoki | +1 | 16:48 |
| manishg_ | Sukhdev: ok, will write doc. If I can get some folks to review it! | 16:48 |
| Sukhdev | manishg_: I would also consider a design session or pod session in Vancouver - document will help with it | 16:48 |
| banix | rkukura: +1 | 16:48 |
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| manishg_ | Sukhdev: considering not going to Vancouver this time... so will do a doc. | 16:48 |
| amotoki | we can start etherpad or google doc to gather all things. | 16:49 |
| banix | etherpad should do | 16:49 |
| rkukura | #action manishg_ to gather discussion points into doc, schedule meeting soon to discuss, all leading to a plan for a design summit session | 16:49 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg_: if you go to vancouver, I'll buy you a beer | 16:49 |
| manishg_ | rkukura: sounds good. | 16:49 |
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| manishg_ | Sukhdev: :) | 16:49 |
| rkukura | thanks | 16:49 |
| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: ... | 16:50 |
| shivharis | hi | 16:50 |
| shivharis | we have a bug (if it is really a bug) will require attention ASAP | 16:50 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1435216 | 16:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1435216 in neutron "unit tests: KeyError: 'port_security' when building Debian package" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 16:50 |
| shivharis | eugene: marked it as confirmed, but not sure on what basis | 16:51 |
| yamahata | I'll look into it with Yalei. | 16:51 |
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| shivharis | thanks yamahata | 16:52 |
| shivharis | if this is really an issue it is a must fix | 16:52 |
| shivharis | for kilo | 16:52 |
| shivharis | other than this one we look good - some are in progress for rc1 but again those are not as critical as the one above | 16:53 |
| shivharis | any other question regarding bugs | 16:53 |
| rkukura | I’m still hoping to get a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391 into review soon - good progress the past few days | 16:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 16:53 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: thanks for that | 16:54 |
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| shivharis | rkukura: this one does not bother me much for 2 reasons | 16:54 |
| shivharis | it is in good hands and it is not a show stopper | 16:54 |
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| shivharis | yamahata: the one you will work out with yalie is a show stopper | 16:55 |
| amotoki | it is not a show stopper but i think it help us maintain the released code much | 16:55 |
| rkukura | shivharis: definitely not a show stopper, but substantial amount of change | 16:55 |
| yamahata | shivharis: sure. | 16:55 |
| shivharis | thanks rkukura and yamahata | 16:55 |
| yamahata | anyway I'll look into it. | 16:55 |
| shivharis | thats all for bugs | 16:56 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Thanks! | 16:56 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | Anything to discuss, or should we finish a couple minutes early? | 16:57 |
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| GLaupre | Bye? ^^ | 16:58 |
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| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 16:58 |
| manishg_ | thanks rkukura. bye! | 16:58 |
| banix | thanks and bye | 16:58 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 16:58:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-03-25-16.03.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-03-25-16.03.txt | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-03-25-16.03.log.html | 16:58 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:58 |
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| amotoki | thanks! night | 16:59 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 17:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
| Kiall | Heya - Who's about? | 17:00 |
| timsim | o? | 17:01 |
| paul_glass | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | o\ | 17:01 |
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| timsim | elarson | 17:01 |
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| elarson | o/ | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Kk - Small group today :) | 17:01 |
| johnbelamaric | o/ | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Agenda is same as last week - Release status, Release status, Release status. | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | First up - We're noticing some issues are large zones, both in terms of working at all, and in terms of performance. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | There's a couple of bugs filed - bug 1435888, bug 1434479, bug 1435863 | 17:04 |
| openstack | bug 1435888 in Designate "MiniDNS does too many SELECT's to load relations under AXFR" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435888 | 17:04 |
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| openstack | bug 1434479 in Designate "designate stop working after insert ~10k records" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434479 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:04 |
| openstack | bug 1435863 in Designate "Message size passed to response.to_wire() max_size is too low" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435863 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:04 |
| Kiall | likely bug 1433869 too. | 17:04 |
| openstack | bug 1433869 in Designate "too many "Including all tenants items" printed in logs" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433869 - Assigned to stanzgy (stanzgy) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | Most of them are being worked through at the moment, bug 1433869 will need some TLC though and other than a few back/forth messages in the DNS room, I don't think anyone is working on it | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Any takers? :) | 17:05 |
| * elarson is still reading a bit | 17:06 | |
| Kiall | sorry - wrong bug # | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | bug 1435863 | 17:06 |
| openstack | bug 1435863 in Designate "Message size passed to response.to_wire() max_size is too low" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435863 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | (It's assigned to me because I made a quick+failed attempt at it) | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Effectivly, the way we render the wire format response is broke for messages over 65k | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | (The bug needs more detail, most of it's only been figured out over the last 30 mins in the other room ;)) | 17:07 |
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| * Kiall feels alone in the room today ;) | 17:08 | |
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| Kiall | Okay - We'll leave that one for now ;) | 17:08 |
| mugsie | I would say I would look at it, but I have a ton of pre rc-1 work that is on my plate :( | 17:09 |
| mugsie | post next wed, maybe | 17:09 |
| Kiall | timsim: You mentioned you'd be happy to sort the 42 billion SQL query during an AXFR issue? I think that's resolves performance of zones under 65k - which closes bug 1434479 | 17:09 |
| openstack | bug 1434479 in Designate "designate stop working after insert ~10k records" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434479 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:09 |
| timsim | Yeah, I'll work on that. | 17:10 |
| timsim | I think that's bug bug 1435888 | 17:10 |
| openstack | bug 1435888 in Designate "MiniDNS does too many SELECT's to load relations under AXFR" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435888 | 17:10 |
| mugsie | those 2 are quite related i think | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Yea, it's both I think.. the first had a second part | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, those would be the biggest bugs right now - I believe many of the others are relativly small issues | 17:11 |
| elarson | Kiall: I'll try to take a look at bug 1435863 and assign it to me if I know I'll have a chance to do it. | 17:12 |
| openstack | bug 1435863 in Designate "Message size passed to response.to_wire() max_size is too low" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435863 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:12 |
| * elarson can't make promises as he has been doing customer work as of late | 17:12 | |
| Kiall | elarson: cool :) After the meet let's sync up in #openstack-dns - was discussing a possible fix with mugsie a few mins ago | 17:12 |
| elarson | that sounds good | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | Okay - For open BPs - we have 3 open, Pool Targets / Nameserver split (blocks old-style backends), Validation (blocks release ;)), and mark V2 stable | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | I got the target vs nameserver stuff up 30 mins or so ago, it's not quite done - tests etc are still broken. | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | It's changes a chunk of code in Pool Manager, but it's mostly a slight variation on what was there before rather than any massive rework.. | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | Moving on, since it's only up 30 mins I don't expect anyone to have looked at it. Have a look when you can though | 17:16 |
| Kiall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167678/ | 17:16 |
| timsim | We should get a list together of all the patches in need of review. I think mugsie has 3 or 4 as well | 17:16 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164327/ | 17:16 |
| Kiall | mugsie: validation BP - update? | 17:16 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167600/ | 17:16 |
| Kiall | timsim: agreed, I'll create an etherpad now. | 17:16 |
| mugsie | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167672/ | 17:17 |
| mugsie | good progress - the 4 ps's above are good to go | 17:17 |
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| mugsie | just noticed a pep8 fail on one - will fix that now | 17:17 |
| mugsie | s/now/after the meeting/ | 17:17 |
| mugsie | I am just struglling with the records (being different objects) | 17:18 |
| mugsie | but all in all a good chunk done | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-kilo-rc1-reviews | 17:18 |
| mugsie | is there any questions on the code? It is a bit of a code dump | 17:18 |
| Kiall | ^ etherpad of reviews, just filled in what we mentioned over the last 3-4 mins | 17:18 |
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| timsim | I think ekarlso has a couple of reviews as well | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | Some of those failing gate BTW - and only seeing 3 links rather than 4? Miss one? | 17:20 |
| mugsie | only 1 of the 4 for the validation is failing | 17:20 |
| Kiall | timsim: he does, adding it now.. | 17:20 |
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| Kiall | Okay - I think that's a complete list? Feel free to add as you find/submit/etc anything. | 17:22 |
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| Kiall | So - No Q's for mugsie on the reviews he has up? If not, we can move on :) | 17:23 |
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| timsim | Nope, haven't looked today | 17:23 |
| Kiall | kk.. vinod would have had 100 ;) | 17:23 |
| mugsie | I like tim's way better | 17:24 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:24 |
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| timsim | +2 all the things :P | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | So, the last BP was "Mark V2 API Stable" - It's a trivial thing *technically* to do, but we'll want to dedicate a meeting to it before final release to make the call - thinking though all the previous discussions, and ensuring everything is workable with future plans. | 17:25 |
| mugsie | +1000 | 17:25 |
| timsim | Agreed | 17:25 |
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| elarson | +1 | 17:25 |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/167672 is fixed | 17:25 |
| mugsie | damn trailing '.' on commit header | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: lol | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | Okay, So .. Theres still some stuff not actually listed on the kilo-rc1 page. E.g. getting the old backends working again... Now that doing that is unblocked (both for Dynect style, and old-style) - That will be my area of focus.. I should have the POC up in the next 24 hrs now it's finally unblocked.. (apologies for taking so long johnbelamaric ;)) | 17:28 |
| Kiall | Does anyone know of anything else missing from https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-rc1 ? | 17:28 |
| johnbelamaric | No problem at all! | 17:28 |
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| * Kiall gives people another minute or two to think.. just in case.. ;) | 17:29 | |
| mugsie | nope - but https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425117 is important | 17:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425117 in Designate "Designate does not work with postgres" [High,New] | 17:29 |
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| timsim | bug 1432842 maybe | 17:30 |
| openstack | bug 1432842 in Designate "Property setters dont work." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432842 | 17:30 |
| Kiall | mugsie: yep, that should be on the page :) | 17:30 |
| Kiall | mugsie: ah, it is | 17:30 |
| Kiall | timsim: I believe we worked around needing to use those on our DesignateObject classes, I also think mugsie mumbled something yesterday about fixing it to make his validation stuff easier.. Did that happen in the end? | 17:31 |
| mugsie | not yet | 17:31 |
| Kiall | K | 17:31 |
| mugsie | I have an idea - but it may be a single fix for a limted use case | 17:31 |
| mugsie | so not fixing the bug in its entirety | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | K - Assuming it's not fixed, it doesn't matter so much IMO as the code doesn't use it, since it doesn't work ;) If we fix in the L release that's OK by me | 17:32 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:32 |
| timsim | ok. Do we want to triage the rest of the bugs, we've gone through a bunch of them already? | 17:33 |
| mugsie | yeah, not a bad idea - if we are done with rc-1 ? | 17:33 |
| Kiall | So that covers status on pretty much all the major kilo-rc1 stuff.. | 17:34 |
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| Kiall | timsim: over to you ;) | 17:34 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 17:35 |
| timsim | We already talked about bug 1425117 | 17:35 |
| openstack | bug 1425117 in Designate "Designate does not work with postgres" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1425117 | 17:35 |
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| Kiall | Yea, Wondering why that's still "New" rather than Triaged.. How did we miss that before/ | 17:35 |
| Kiall | Oh.. We didn't have the rc1 milestone in LP so left it | 17:35 |
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| timsim | bug 1432850 | 17:36 |
| openstack | bug 1432850 in Designate "Add periodic refresh task" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432850 - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:36 |
| timsim | What say we? | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | should be triaged | 17:36 |
| Kiall | timsim: Liberty :) | 17:36 |
| timsim | I guess it just needs status. | 17:36 |
| mugsie | has L marked already | 17:36 |
| timsim | Triaged then | 17:36 |
| timsim | Same with 1432839 | 17:36 |
| timsim | bug 1432839 | 17:37 |
| openstack | bug 1432839 in Designate "Calling find_domain in any v1 operation is sub-optimal" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432839 - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:37 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:37 |
| timsim | We decided L release for bug 1432842, what importance do we want to give it? | 17:37 |
| openstack | bug 1432842 in Designate "Property setters dont work." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432842 | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Yea, though we may need to move to kilo-rc2 ish | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | 1432842 - low? It doesn't affect end users. | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Just makes our lives awkards sometimes ;) | 17:38 |
| mugsie | lower than low imho | 17:38 |
| timsim | Kiall: ++ | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Going back to bug 1432839 for a sec - | 17:38 |
| openstack | bug 1432839 in Designate "Calling find_domain in any v1 operation is sub-optimal" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1432839 - Assigned to Endre Karlson (endre-karlson) | 17:38 |
| Kiall | I think we may need to call that an kilo-rc2 thing. | 17:39 |
| mugsie | really? | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | It's the same underlying cause as the mDNS AXFR performance issues, with a slightly different fix. | 17:39 |
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| mugsie | nope | 17:39 |
| Kiall | when people get a large zone via the V1 API, they'll be bit by that | 17:39 |
| mugsie | its to allow use to give a 404 on record operations for secondary zxones | 17:40 |
| Kiall | OHH. I've got the bugs confused. | 17:40 |
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| mugsie | it is 100% L ;) | 17:40 |
| Kiall | I'm thinking of bug 1413472 | 17:40 |
| openstack | bug 1413472 in Designate "Listing records noticibly slower moving to Juno" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1413472 | 17:40 |
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| timsim | Alright, how about bug 1433645 | 17:40 |
| openstack | bug 1433645 in Designate "Floating IP Reverse DNS API does not respect async operations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1433645 | 17:40 |
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| mugsie | oh - yeah, thats a rc-1 / 2 thing | 17:40 |
| mugsie | re: 1433645 - L | 17:41 |
| mugsie | or, no... | 17:41 |
| mugsie | rc -1 medium | 17:41 |
| timsim | Alright | 17:42 |
| timsim | Any objections? | 17:42 |
| Kiall | mugsie: you filed the FIP async one right? I've not looked at it yet, so have no idea of the inpact? | 17:42 |
| Kiall | impact* | 17:42 |
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| mugsie | basically - when you unset a FIP PTR record, the API doesnt catch up until the backend has marked it as a deleted | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | record* | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | we need to add a extra set of criterion to the query we use for building FIP Objects | 17:43 |
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| mugsie | to filter out pending delete records | 17:43 |
| Kiall | So - possibly an impact on calling the v2 API stable? i.e. a must fix? | 17:43 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:43 |
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| timsim | rc-1, High maybe then? | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | Okay - guess we call 1433645 critical so if it'll block calling the API stable? | 17:44 |
| timsim | That's cool | 17:45 |
| mugsie | k - soiunds right | 17:45 |
| timsim | bug 1435568 | 17:45 |
| openstack | bug 1435568 in Designate "pep8 gate taking longer than 30 mins on occasion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1435568 | 17:45 |
| Kiall | That seems to have resolved itself, I suspect it was an OpenStack CI issue that's passed.. We can mark Invalid. | 17:45 |
| timsim | Alright, that's it then! | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | :) | 17:46 |
| Kiall | Okay, a few mins left.. | 17:47 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:47 |
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| Kiall | Anything off-agenda items? | 17:47 |
| Kiall | Any* | 17:47 |
| mugsie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1436261 | 17:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436261 in Designate "Requires jsonschema >= 2.4.0 (not 2.2.0)" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:47 |
| mugsie | important fix for some packjaging issues both debian and ubuntu found this morning | 17:47 |
| Kiall | K - It's on the list (twice :P) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | well - was on the list twice ;) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-kilo-rc1-reviews | 17:48 |
| mugsie | sure ... | 17:48 |
| elarson | mugsie: is updating to the latest jsonschema not possible? | 17:49 |
| mugsie | that would force all ubuntu users to have the lastest as well :) | 17:49 |
| elarson | mugsie: ah ok, so it is system requirement? | 17:50 |
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| mugsie | yeah - they install the requirements from apt - so they use the system repos | 17:50 |
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| timsim | I've got to head out, see you guys in #openstack-dns | 17:50 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:50 |
| Kiall | So - Myself and mugsie will be heading over the Norway to the HP office ekarlso's at for the 12th -> 17th or so. That's smack bang in the middle of the Kilo RC window (RC window is 9th -> 23rd).. Our intent is make it a bug find+squash week... | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | Just a FYI ^ | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | Anything else before we call it a day? | 17:51 |
| Kiall | Okay, guess not! Thanks all, see you in #openstack-dns.. | 17:52 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 17:52:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| * elarson will save the emacs elisp designate client for later ;) | 17:52 | |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-03-25-17.00.html | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-03-25-17.00.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-03-25-17.00.log.html | 17:52 |
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| amrith | where's SlickNik ? | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | here | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #startmeeting Trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 18:01:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| mvandijk | \o | 18:01 |
| danritchie | o/ | 18:01 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
| amrith | \0/ | 18:01 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:01 |
| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:01 |
| georgelorch | \m/ \m/ | 18:01 |
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| vkmc | (o/ | 18:02 |
| sushilkm | hello all | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Meeting agenda at: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| amrith | don't tell sgotliv that we have a meeting. | 18:02 |
| sgotliv | 0/ | 18:02 |
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| nshah | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Awesome job everyone on getting the review numbers up last week! :) | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | And thanks to all who did reviews. | 18:04 |
| atomic77 | o/ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | We did more than double the number of reviews from the previous week. | 18:04 |
| pmalik | ?/ | 18:05 |
| sgotliv | SlickNik, its really amazing | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | There are a lot more non-cores starting to get involved in the reviews, which is great. | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | sgotliv: ++ | 18:06 |
| sushilkm | 200+ reviews thats a large number of reviews .... | 18:06 |
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| edmondk | yeah nice work | 18:07 |
| edmondk | everyone | 18:07 |
| dougshelley66 | definitely great to see the backlog clearing out | 18:08 |
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| vkmc | lot of progress :D | 18:08 |
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| sgotliv | dougshelley66, a backlog, it almost doesn't exist :-) | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions wrt the pulse numbers? | 18:08 |
| amrith | that's only because we got oslo.messaging merged. | 18:09 |
| amrith | that was holding up EVERYTHING. | 18:09 |
| amrith | ;) | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on. | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Instance Storage for Replication | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | vgnbkr: around? | 18:10 |
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| vgnbkr | Hi. | 18:10 |
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| vgnbkr | If everyone wants to have a quick look at the note I wrote. | 18:10 |
| vgnbkr | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-replication-storage | 18:10 |
| vgnbkr | I think we should wait on the metadata - any dissenters. | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: So I had one question — if the master is down/unavailable, couldn't you query a slave for the master's server-id? | 18:11 |
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| vgnbkr | I don't think so, unless we stored it on every slave. | 18:12 |
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| vgnbkr | Oh, it's not the server_id, it's the master's server_UUID. | 18:13 |
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| vgnbkr | georgelorch, am I correct that the master's UUID cannot be retrieved from a slave when the master in unreachable? | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | FWIW — just looking over the options in that note — I'm not liking the ones that make the DB schema mysql specific / gnostic | 18:15 |
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| vgnbkr | agreed - I'm just enumerating the options. | 18:16 |
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| georgelorch | vgnbkr, not 100% sure about that but I think you are correct, I don't recall seeing any explicit way to get the master UUID from a disconnected slave, but there may be 'tricks' | 18:17 |
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| SlickNik | so vgnbkr - barring some way of doing this by inspecting the replicated mysql schema / using a mysql function that does this, I'm liking the metadata option. | 18:19 |
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| georgelorch | there is SHOW SLAVE HOSTS but that is a master call... | 18:20 |
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| vgnbkr | Discussing SlickNik's question, it would also be possible to store it in a file on the guest. How do we feel about storing info in files on the guest? | 18:21 |
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| vgnbkr | s/guest/slave guest/ | 18:21 |
| georgelorch | ohh wait vgnbkr, what about Master_UUID in show slave status, or does that go to NULL when the slave loses contact with the master? | 18:21 |
| * georgelorch quickly looks up docs... | 18:22 | |
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| georgelorch | hmm, no details in the docs on behavior | 18:22 |
| vgnbkr | OK, I'll check it out after the meeting... | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | georgelorch / vgnbkr: maybe that's something that we can try out? That would be a good solution if it worked. | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: Sounds good. | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | I'm not sure I want to go down the route of storing state information on the guests. | 18:23 |
| vgnbkr | If not, what's the opinion on storing instance data in files on guests? | 18:23 |
| vgnbkr | Never mind :-) | 18:24 |
| vgnbkr | OK, Thanks. | 18:24 |
| georgelorch | yeah vgnbkr, on a GTID enabled (5.6) slave, SHOW SLAVE STATUS _should_ have a Master_UUID field that is the server id of the master...I presume that the slave would have had to make successful contact with the master at least once in order to retrieve that value. | 18:24 |
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| vgnbkr | Oh, so what I'm taking away is: get it from "show slave status" or wait for metadata. | 18:25 |
| vgnbkr | Thanks georgelorch , I'll check it out. | 18:25 |
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| georgelorch | vgnbkr, sure, let me know offline if you have any questions, I can dig into source or ask someone to make sure we get it right. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Awesome, thanks georgelorch and vgnbkr. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | #topic Different timeouts in configuration based per datastore | 18:27 |
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| sushilkm | hello | 18:27 |
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| sushilkm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164640/ | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164640/ | 18:28 |
| sushilkm | So, now with a number of experimental datastores around in trove | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: Did you have a specific question / clarification around this? | 18:28 |
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| sushilkm | i wanted to get this discussed here | 18:29 |
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| sushilkm | as in reviews it came from peterstac and vkmc | 18:29 |
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| sushilkm | so this patchset aims at getting usage_timeout to datastore configs instead of the default config | 18:30 |
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| sushilkm | i got the review that this parameter was continuously roaming between datastores and default ... and this should be discussed in the meeting | 18:31 |
| dougshelley66 | sushilkm, I'm not against the change. I just thought it needed more visibility since just last July we did the reverse change | 18:32 |
| vkmc | in the proposed PS a new option, usage_timeout, is added per datastore and we also keep it in the general options | 18:32 |
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| vkmc | IMO it makes sense to keep it per datastore, and also mark the option in general options as deprecated... for a while (to keep backwards compatibility) | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | vkmc: I tend to agree with that. With multiple datastores, I've noted that I've had to change that value back and forth depending on which datastore I've been wanting to deploy. | 18:34 |
| vkmc | yeah | 18:34 |
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| SlickNik | I think at some point in the past, we moved to consolidate this into the default config for simplicity. | 18:35 |
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| vkmc | personally, I don't like to add more options... but in this case, it seems a good call | 18:35 |
| sushilkm | along with usage_timeout, it would be worthy to move more options into datastore configs cluster_usage_timeout and agent_call_..._timeout, for the same reasons | 18:36 |
| amrith | so is the discussion only about usage_timeout or about timeouts in general? | 18:36 |
| amrith | oh, perfect. thanks sushilkm that's where I wanted to go. | 18:36 |
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| vgnbkr | I think the better solution is to get rid of that type of timeout, and instead watch for agent heartbeats. | 18:37 |
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| amrith | my only question about this would be whether we want to just do usage_timeout now and do the rest post Kilo. or do we want to do the whole lot in Kilo. | 18:37 |
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| sushilkm | i would love to see them all being managed into datastores ... that would help not making the changes for every deployment | 18:38 |
| sushilkm | and wud also help in future for may be new datastores while testing+Deployment | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | amrith: It makes sense to tackle the two (usage + cluster_usage) together. | 18:39 |
| amrith | SlickNik, in that case I have a different proposal | 18:39 |
| amrith | have a common timeout and a per datastore timeout | 18:39 |
| amrith | and the code can look for the per datastore timeout and if not found go to the common timeout | 18:39 |
| amrith | this model (in general) for all timeouts would be a good one to adopt | 18:40 |
| vgnbkr | I suggest agent_call_timeout not be included in such a change. It's general purpose - if there are cases where a longer timeout is required, it should have some other timeout specified. | 18:40 |
| amrith | it allows you to override on a per datastore basis while also having a default | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: That sounds reasonable. | 18:40 |
| amrith | but then there is vgnbkr's suggestion of doing away with timeouts which I think is much better. | 18:40 |
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| amrith | and worth looking at before we make this change. | 18:40 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr: I also like your idea of watching for hearbeats and not polling for ACTIVE — perhaps this is something that a schedule task in the conductor could do? | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | I feel a liberty BP here. | 18:41 |
| amrith | SlickNik, yes. my crystal ball has a picture of a blueprint fluttering around | 18:42 |
| amrith | but not of a schedule task | 18:42 |
| amrith | but rather a proper implementation of a state machine | 18:42 |
| amrith | for these kinds of state transitions. | 18:42 |
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| vgnbkr | amrith, way more than I was thinking. I was just thinking that the poll_until would not timeout if it has seen a heartbeat within 60 seconds or so. | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | amrith: That's another BP — I don't think we have a state machine mechanism at all right now. | 18:43 |
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| SlickNik | I'd probably keep the two BPs separate. There are other parts of trove that would benefit from using an FSM model. | 18:44 |
| amrith | I'm definitely in favor of a FSM for this | 18:44 |
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| amrith | but it is definitely a far cry from the current timeout mechanism. | 18:44 |
| amrith | I was thinking we'd just wrap the whole thing into the review of this bug and hand it to sushilkm ;) | 18:44 |
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| amrith | for kilo-2 | 18:45 |
| SlickNik | hah I'm sure sushilkm was thinking of exactly this when he penciled this in to the agenda. :) | 18:45 |
| amrith | so SlickNik to be clear ... I'll make sure a bp for this comes along. | 18:46 |
| SlickNik | So 1. Short term, I think datastore specifc timeouts falling back to default makes sense. | 18:46 |
| sushilkm | +1 | 18:46 |
| peterstac | amrith: I'm confused, kilo-2 was Feb 5 ... | 18:47 |
| amrith | this fsm implementation will have to be later, like liberty | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | 2. Long term, let's try and get rid of this polling usage timeout altogether => amrith will follow up with a BP for Liberty. | 18:47 |
| amrith | SlickNik, either dougshelley66 or vgnbkr or I | 18:47 |
| amrith | yes | 18:47 |
| sushilkm | do we have any thoughts about agent_call_..._timeout | 18:48 |
| amrith | I agree with vgnbkr on that | 18:48 |
| amrith | don't include it in the change | 18:48 |
| amrith | if you want a longer timeout, find one. | 18:48 |
| amrith | so #1 for now is only usage_timeout | 18:49 |
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| amrith | and cluster_timeout | 18:49 |
| sushilkm | find one implies to update those parameters in the conf | 18:49 |
| amrith | sushilkm, yes. | 18:49 |
| sushilkm | ok fine | 18:49 |
| vgnbkr | sushilkm, I imagine that each case where agent_call_.._timeout is insufficient would warrant a new config value. | 18:50 |
| amrith | personally, I also feel that the generic timeout (what are they called, short timeout and long timeout) should be outlawed | 18:50 |
| amrith | but when we get to at least watching for heartbeats we can head in that direction | 18:51 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr / sushilkm: And that config value would probably be datastore specific as well. | 18:51 |
| vgnbkr | SlickNik, likely | 18:51 |
| sushilkm | SlickNik, yes which is why i wanted those call_timeouts to be datastore specific too :) | 18:51 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: those are RPC timeouts, so watching for heartbeats won't help get rid of those, I don't think. | 18:52 |
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| sushilkm | since right now guestagent\api calls based on those timeouts | 18:52 |
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| sushilkm | which is again a problem-head for different datastores, as some datastores would obviously take longer than others | 18:53 |
| SlickNik | sushilkm: What vgnbkr and I are saying is that if there's a datastore specific call that's causing you to go beyond the bounds of those timeouts (like snapshot provisioning) you probably want to call that out as a separate timeout that would be datastore specific and not overload those two. | 18:53 |
| vgnbkr | SlickNik, +1 | 18:53 |
| sushilkm | okies | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | Okay, so I think we have some traction on this one. | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on | 18:55 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:55 |
| amrith | #action sushilkm to make usage_timeout and cluster_timeout datastore specific | 18:55 |
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| amrith | #action amrith (or dougshelley66 or vgnbkr) to propose bp for FSM in Liberty | 18:55 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:55 |
| SlickNik | amrith: go for it | 18:56 |
| amrith | for kilo | 18:56 |
| amrith | do we want to do the oslo.log thing? | 18:56 |
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| amrith | currently we have the trove-integration part of it ready to merge | 18:57 |
| amrith | once that gets in and I can rebuid the guest images, there's a chance to get the trove change to work | 18:57 |
| amrith | but the question is do we want all this for Kilo? | 18:58 |
| amrith | we don't *HAVE TO* | 18:58 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Context on the oslo.log thing? | 18:58 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162676/ | 18:58 |
| amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162677/ | 18:59 |
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| amrith | this is a module being deprecated | 18:59 |
| amrith | oslo-incubator logging vs. oslo.log | 18:59 |
| SlickNik | trove-integration doesn't follow a release cycle, so I'm good with merging the first change — shouldn't hurt and will make sure that the images we build have the dependency once the second change does merge. | 19:00 |
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| amrith | OK, let me be more explicit. Let us punt this to Liberty. | 19:00 |
| amrith | the whole thing. | 19:00 |
| amrith | let's move to #openstack-trove | 19:00 |
| amrith | times up | 19:00 |
| SlickNik | sounds good. | 19:01 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| SlickNik | thanks all | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 19:01:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-25-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-25-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-25-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| vkmc | thanks everyone :) | 19:01 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 25 20:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
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| crc32 | Are you there yet blogan? | 20:00 |
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| Trevor_V | o/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | hi | 20:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
| mwang2 | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| madhu_ | hi | 20:00 |
| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| blogan | just got herre | 20:00 |
| xgerman | with car? | 20:01 |
| xgerman | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-03-25 | 20:01 |
| crc32 | ^..^ | 20:01 |
| crc32 | (00) )~ | 20:01 |
| crc32 | mm mm | 20:01 |
| sballe | o/ | 20:01 |
| crc32 | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| sballe | I can never remember what channel we meet in ;-( | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:01 |
| crc32 | sballe: This one | 20:02 |
| xgerman | Horizon stuff: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LBaaS_Horizon_Use_Cases | 20:02 |
| sballe | crc32: really ;-) | 20:02 |
| blogan | did we ever find out if we can have our own horizon plugin in tree? similar to devstack? | 20:02 |
| xgerman | I think we can | 20:02 |
| blogan | i suppose this is neutron lbaas territory | 20:02 |
| blogan | but whatevs | 20:03 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:03 |
| Trevor_V | (I thought we decided some crossover was okay?) | 20:03 |
| xgerman | sballe and I talked with our UX designer and he will tell us how much work it is | 20:03 |
| xgerman | Horizon will get really cool with angularjs and what not | 20:03 |
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| blogan | it will do all the things | 20:04 |
| xgerman | absolutely | 20:04 |
| dougwig | i think we can sort out details here and just give a summary at the neutron meeting, no problem. | 20:05 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:05 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | We will keep updating the etherpad as we learn more things... (and post designs :-) | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:07 | |
| Trevor_V | I could use reviews on the ssh_driver | 20:07 |
| Trevor_V | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160964/ | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Yes, I hope to get a look at ssh driver today | 20:07 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:08 |
| blogan | i finally started the first network driver, which is using allowed address pairs | 20:08 |
| johnsom | Controller work continues, I took some time out to test v2 TLS and to rework some of my unit tests that had issues. Hope to finish pools today. | 20:08 |
| sballe | I tested it and it works. | 20:08 |
| dougwig | if i can roll back to announcements, the lbaas kilo and beyond talk was accepted, so hopefully we can have an octavia demo ready (and horizon, maybe!) | 20:08 |
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| sballe | above refers to ssh_driver | 20:08 |
| xgerman | douwig: Hooray!! | 20:08 |
| blogan | im sure we'll have an octavia demo ready | 20:08 |
| johnsom | dougwig it is my goal to have an octavia demo for the talk | 20:08 |
| * blogan knocks on wood | 20:08 | |
| johnsom | horizon I cannot speak to | 20:08 |
| xgerman | yeah, horizon is a bit fuzzy | 20:09 |
| sballe | Amphora agent REST API should be tested and completed next week. That is my goal. | 20:09 |
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| sballe | Note tested with German's agent api server | 20:09 |
| xgerman | I should have another version of the api server before the end of the week | 20:09 |
| sballe | we can an octavia demo without Horizon. | 20:09 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:10 |
| johnsom | yes | 20:10 |
| sballe | Real devs use clis ;-) | 20:10 |
| xgerman | GUI's look slick in demos ;-) | 20:10 |
| dougwig | heh, certainly. i meant horizon for a v2 demo, not conjoining them. :) | 20:10 |
| xgerman | + we need to leave soemthing to demo in Tokyo | 20:11 |
| sballe | dougwig: Oh sorry I misunderstood what you said ;-) | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | #topic How should a Octavia dev/test environemnt look like? | 20:12 |
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| xgerman | this a segway for the demo | 20:12 |
| xgerman | how are we gonna package octavia for people to demo/play with it? | 20:12 |
| Trevor_V | git clone? :P | 20:13 |
| xgerman | more like devstack? | 20:13 |
| dougwig | with a mullet wig and a ratty metallica shirt. | 20:13 |
| * sballe thinks that xgerman is now on the vagrant train | 20:13 | |
| johnsom | torn black jeans | 20:13 |
| xgerman | I am | 20:13 |
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| blogan | cant we just do a devstack plugin like neutron lbaas? | 20:13 |
| xgerman | X-mas sweater | 20:13 |
| madhu_ | maybe copy the working vm (ovf file) in usb and handout usbs to the people? | 20:14 |
| dougwig | what about publishing to pypi and let folks 'pip install' ? | 20:14 |
| blogan | that works too | 20:14 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:14 |
| dougwig | somewhere we might be able to find a major cloud operator that can host the image files. | 20:14 |
| sballe | I personally prefer any method that is easy and doesn't fail | 20:14 |
| dougwig | digital ocean, maybe. | 20:14 |
| blogan | im not sure where you will find that | 20:14 |
| xgerman | maybe one with fanatical support? | 20:15 |
| dougwig | or AWS. | 20:15 |
| johnsom | dougwig ouch... | 20:15 |
| dougwig | :) | 20:15 |
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| sballe | yeah AWS would be bad1 | 20:15 |
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| madhu_ | lol | 20:15 |
| johnsom | RAX and HP can mirror grin | 20:15 |
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| xgerman | so the othe rend is should we make a devstack plugin | 20:16 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:16 |
| blogan | yes and no? | 20:16 |
| johnsom | I think an easy install is good. We will probably need devstack if we aspirations beyond stackforge | 20:16 |
| sballe | johnsom: +1 | 20:16 |
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| blogan | we could put the pip install in neutron-lbaas's plugin if the octavia driver is chosen | 20:17 |
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| sballe | it needs to be super easy to get up and running | 20:17 |
| ajmiller | I've got the basic devstack development mojo.... Shouldn't be too horribly difficult. | 20:17 |
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| sballe | blogan: +1 | 20:17 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:17 |
| dougwig | yeah, i'd treat it like any vendor device, and make it separate from the driver/lbaas/devstack. | 20:18 |
| dougwig | long-winded way of agreeing with blogan. | 20:18 |
| sballe | :-) | 20:18 |
| blogan | it oddly sounded like disagreeing with me, but i think you're just a creature of habit | 20:18 |
| xgerman | got confused as well | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | so basically git install into devstack | 20:19 |
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| xgerman | ah, pip install | 20:19 |
| dougwig | blogan: if neutron-lbaas devstack does a pip install, that's handy, but also a good separation from its own devstack proper, which wouldn't quite make as much sense to me. better? | 20:19 |
| blogan | lol yeah, i know what you mean | 20:20 |
| sballe | blogan: xgerman that make sense to me and is an easy way to get it installed and up and running | 20:20 |
| blogan | and i agree its different | 20:20 |
| ajmiller | neutron-lbaas devstack doesn't do pip install, but in the long run it could/should. | 20:20 |
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| sballe | ajmiller: can we make it di pip install in the shorter term? | 20:21 |
| sballe | shorter being by the demo? | 20:21 |
| xgerman | I would be happy with git clone | 20:21 |
| xgerman | into devstack | 20:21 |
| dougwig | yeah, we can env var it. | 20:21 |
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| ajmiller | That would be a matter of priority. We would want to keep the option of git clone (so that it is useful to developers) but add a pip option. | 20:22 |
| blogan | may as well make an octavia devstack plugin honestly | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:22 |
| dougwig | wouldn't hurt. | 20:23 |
| johnsom | I think we have ajmiller do the plugin while it's fresh in his mind. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | sounds good + we can put that in launchpad | 20:23 |
| johnsom | Just get err done | 20:23 |
| sballe | I would prefer to see the neutron lbaas v2drive octavia But that is my personal preference | 20:23 |
| johnsom | I will do the launchpad | 20:23 |
| ajmiller | I'm happy to do it, just need to fit it in with other stuff... | 20:24 |
| xgerman | we will make it fit ;-) | 20:24 |
| blogan | ajmiller is an expert at devstack, he knows all the things | 20:24 |
| xgerman | +100 | 20:24 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:24 |
| ajmiller | LOL... -100 | 20:24 |
| sballe | lol | 20:24 |
| mwang2 | +1 | 20:24 |
| xgerman | #action johnsom add launchpad story/ticket/task | 20:24 |
| blogan | sballe: you mean you would prefer octavia in neutron lbaas tree? | 20:25 |
| xgerman | #action ajmiller makes devstack plugin for octavia | 20:25 |
| sballe | blogan: No. | 20:25 |
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| sballe | Maybe I misunderstood. I was thinking that the LBaaS v2 API would drive octavia rather than Octavia as a deperate service | 20:25 |
| sballe | seperate | 20:26 |
| xgerman | yeah, octavia would depend on neutron lbaas v2 | 20:26 |
| sballe | ok so I just misunderstood what was being said | 20:26 |
| ajmiller | sballe: That is correct, but they don't need to be supplied together. | 20:26 |
| sballe | totally in agreemnt | 20:26 |
| ajmiller | +1 | 20:26 |
| xgerman | well, we could make the neutron-octavia drive rin tree | 20:26 |
| xgerman | but not for Kilo | 20:27 |
| blogan | yeah | 20:27 |
| dougwig | sballe: you'd end up putting q-lbaasv2,octavia in your local.conf, plus maybe need to do a service_provider swap after install, and then neutron lbaas drives octavia. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:27 |
| sballe | I understand now and agree. | 20:27 |
| johnsom | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/octavia/+spec/devstack-plugin | 20:28 |
| xgerman | awesome!! | 20:28 |
| sballe | johnsom: that was fast :-) | 20:29 |
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| blogan | we should start a wiki page on building the thing manually end-to-end as well | 20:29 |
| blogan | from git clone to deploy | 20:30 |
| Trevor_V | agreed blogan | 20:30 |
| xgerman | +1i | 20:30 |
| sballe | +1 Maybe a google doc | 20:30 |
| madhu_ | +1 | 20:30 |
| blogan | would wiki.openstack not work? | 20:30 |
| xgerman | and I like that all be a vagrant image since building neutron-lbaas v2 was a pain for us | 20:30 |
| xgerman | but I can take that on | 20:30 |
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| johnsom | I like the wiki.openstack path better. To many permissions issue with google doc | 20:31 |
| sballe | blogan: wiki should be fine. I just linke google doc for things that are still WIP | 20:31 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:31 |
| blogan | building any openstack service manually is a pain | 20:31 |
| xgerman | +1000 | 20:31 |
| blogan | yeah thats a good point, though wiki's are much more accessible | 20:31 |
| sballe | johnsom: you can make a google doc sharable by everyone | 20:32 |
| xgerman | I think eventually it needs to be wiki | 20:32 |
| johnsom | Yes, but I continually run into docs that are not setup correctly | 20:32 |
| sballe | I agree and was thinking that as well. | 20:32 |
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| sballe | As long as we write on the wiki page that this is WIP I am fine with the wiki. | 20:32 |
| blogan | works for me | 20:33 |
| xgerman | #decision wiki | 20:33 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:33 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:33 |
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| blogan | "when a problem comes along you must WIP it" | 20:33 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:33 |
| sballe | lol +1 | 20:34 |
| johnsom | Do we need to do any lobbying at the summit about moving Octavia out of stackforge? It might be too early, but I'm not sure if there is leg work we need to start. | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | well, let's gte it working well... | 20:35 |
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| dougwig | johnsom: things have been primed to move it into the neutron project once we have shipping code, if that's a direction we want to take. | 20:35 |
| sballe | I am not sure we have to do anything to move it in. Isn't it just going to be the reference driver for neutron LBaaS ? | 20:35 |
| sballe | dougwig: +1 | 20:35 |
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| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 20:36 |
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| johnsom | Ok cool. Just checking. | 20:36 |
| dougwig | separate repo and all. but let's focus on getting it working first. | 20:36 |
| johnsom | It would be cool to aim for Liberty | 20:36 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:36 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:36 |
| xgerman | ok, anything else? | 20:38 |
| sballe | Cannot think of anything | 20:38 |
| blogan | i still need to update the specs/docs for the api and queue changes | 20:38 |
| Trevor_V | Thanks sballe for helping test the SSH driver. | 20:38 |
| blogan | sorry slacked on that | 20:38 |
| johnsom | Cool, yeah, I know I will need to go back and fix the update flows | 20:39 |
| sballe | Trevor_V: You are welcome. | 20:39 |
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| xgerman | we will be doing some two day mini hackathon at HP next week | 20:39 |
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| xgerman | if anyone of you happens to be in Seattle ;-) | 20:39 |
| Trevor_V | Pfff nope | 20:40 |
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| mwang2 | also these two patches need to be reviewed, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149802/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163240/ | 20:41 |
| Trevor_V | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149802/ | 20:41 |
| Trevor_V | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163240/ | 20:41 |
| xgerman | ok | 20:42 |
| mwang2 | thanks Trevor | 20:42 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:42 |
| Trevor_V | No problem :) | 20:42 |
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| xgerman | well, I think we are done | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to ": ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) - revisited (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 20:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 25 20:43:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-03-25-20.00.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-03-25-20.00.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-03-25-20.00.log.html | 20:43 |
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