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| tmorin1 | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 28 15:03:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:03 |
| tmorin1 | hi everyone | 15:03 |
| tmorin1 | hi svinota pcarver doude matrohon | 15:04 |
| svinota | hi! | 15:04 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:04 |
| janscheurich | hi | 15:04 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:04 |
| tmorin1 | hi jan | 15:04 |
| doude | hi | 15:04 |
| tmorin1 | are we waiting for anyone else ? | 15:05 |
| tmorin1 | doesn't seem so | 15:05 |
| tmorin1 | #topic API | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "API (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:05 | |
| tmorin1 | we have a few items to close on the API | 15:05 |
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| tmorin1 | first it the API URIs/JSON for the associations | 15:06 |
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| tmorin1 | matrohon ? | 15:06 |
| matrohon | ok | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | so this concern the association | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | the current proposal for the URI doesn't seem reasonnable regarding the neutron framework | 15:07 |
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| matrohon | I still have to dig into the framework to have a better idea of what is doable | 15:07 |
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| janscheurich | Is it a problem to follow the API model used for router interfaces? | 15:08 |
| matrohon | but it seem we have to choose between an "action" URI : associate/disassociate_network | 15:08 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : this first proposal whould lead to the model used for router interfaces | 15:09 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: the issue is not specific to router association, same issue for network association | 15:09 |
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| janscheurich | Understood | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | but the fact is that with the model used for router interfaces doesn't include the network uuid at the end of the URI | 15:10 |
| tmorin1 | as I understand, if we have an association in the URI, what follows must be an association uuid, and can't be a BGPVPN uuid | 15:10 |
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| matrohon | tmorin1 : +1 | 15:10 |
| matrohon | this lead to the second proposal which is to have a network/router_association object with an UUID | 15:11 |
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| tmorin1 | and the network/router uuid as json data | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | and the action would be driven by the POST/PUT/DELETE operation on this object | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | tmorin : +1 in both cases, the network/router would be in the json data | 15:12 |
| tmorin1 | yes | 15:12 |
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| janscheurich | Sounds doable but looks a lot like normalized relational database design. Good for machines but hard for humans | 15:13 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurish: hard, I don't know, but more bookeeping/db work for sure | 15:14 |
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| janscheurich | I haven't seen other places in Neutron APIs where associations are modeled with explicit objects having their own UUIDs. | 15:16 |
| matrohon | this might lead to a dedicated table | 15:16 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : this is done in lbaasv2 | 15:16 |
| * matrohon : seeking a link | 15:17 | |
| matrohon | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-lbaas/blob/master/neutron_lbaas/extensions/loadbalancerv2.py#L315 | 15:18 |
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| tmorin1 | I would tend to opt for the associate/disassociate_network approach, with the BGPVPN uuid in JSON data | 15:19 |
| matrohon | the corresponding uri would be : /lbaas/pools/{pool_id}/members/{member_id} | 15:20 |
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| matrohon | I don't have a strong preference, so option 1 is fine for me : associate/disassociate_network approach | 15:21 |
| pcarver | matrohon: This sort of URL makes sense to me, but I can't offer any input on what can be done under the hood in Neutron's API handling | 15:21 |
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| pcarver | If LBaaS can do it, then I think it makes sense for BGPVPN to do it the same way | 15:21 |
| tmorin1 | the sub-resource approahc like in LBaaS makes sense if we want to have others attribute to a router or network Association | 15:22 |
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| tmorin1 | but if we don't, then I'd rather go the simpler path similar as what is done in Neutron for router interfaces (with add_router_interface/remove_router_interface) | 15:23 |
| tmorin1 | in LBaaS members have their own attributes, so their approach makes sense | 15:24 |
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| tmorin1 | but in our case, associations don't have attributes | 15:24 |
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| tmorin1 | unless we want attributes later... | 15:24 |
| matrohon | I tend to agree; if we don't nedd to fine manage the association, let's use the action URI | 15:25 |
| janscheurich | I think a LBaaS Pool Member is an object that has a meaning on the API level. I'm not sure we could argue the same for the association between a Router/Network and a BGPVPN | 15:25 |
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| janscheurich | +1 for the action API | 15:25 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich: agreed, but we thus make the assumption that we won't want to give attributes to associations | 15:26 |
| tmorin1 | ok, lets not fully close the door, but let's assume we'll opt for the action URI approache | 15:29 |
| tmorin1 | approach | 15:30 |
| tmorin1 | next topic then ? | 15:30 |
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| tmorin1 | #topic static routes in the API | 15:30 |
| matrohon | If anybody has some use cases that needs the association object, please ping me, we can still come back to the 2nd approach | 15:30 |
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| tmorin1 | matrohon: agreed | 15:30 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich has identified the need for being able to have static routes pointing to Neutron ports | 15:31 |
| tmorin1 | that would result in the corresponding route to be advertised in a BGP VPN | 15:31 |
| janscheurich | Have you seen the new blueprint and Etherpad I created? | 15:31 |
| tmorin1 | I fully agree that its important to have in the toolbox | 15:32 |
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| tmorin1 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/static-routes | 15:32 |
| tmorin1 | yes | 15:32 |
| tmorin1 | thanks for creating one | 15:32 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : yep, thanks for that | 15:32 |
| tmorin1 | thanks also for the summary of options at #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bgpvpn_static_routes | 15:32 |
| janscheurich | Any immediate comments/suggestions? | 15:33 |
| tmorin1 | after giving some thinking, I'm thinking that this is very close semantic to what allowed_address_pair is doing | 15:33 |
| tmorin1 | in fact, if we wanted to allow this now based on allowed_address_pair, we could without any new API call | 15:34 |
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| tmorin1 | allowed_address_pair means: this Neutron port is allowed to send traffic with a source IP in prefix X | 15:34 |
| tmorin1 | if we assume bidirectional traffic, this means X is reachable through that Neutron port | 15:35 |
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| tmorin1 | my suggestion would be to start by saying that, in the presence of allowed_address_pair the Neutron BGPVPN service would advertise the said prefixes so that the traffic to these prefixes ends up forwarded to that port | 15:35 |
| janscheurich | I have been searching for an explanation of allowed_address_pair and its intended use. Do you have any pointers? | 15:36 |
| tmorin1 | and, if we later find we want a semantic distinct from allowed_address_pair (eg. because we'd want something non bidirectional) we would work on a Neutron generic way of having static routes pointing to Neutron ports independent of the notion of Router / that would have to be discussed with the whole neutron community and would not be specific to BGPVPN | 15:37 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: let me try to find one | 15:37 |
| janscheurich | The fact that it is part of the base Neutron Port API indicates that this is old and may be superseded by other security mechanisms such as Neutron Security Groups and Rules. | 15:38 |
| tmorin1 | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/api/allowed_address_pairs.html | 15:38 |
| tmorin1 | but I guess everyone had it already ;) | 15:38 |
| matrohon | allowed_addr_pair is firstly made for vrrp, to disable ip anti spoofing rules | 15:38 |
| matrohon | which would be need for your feature too | 15:39 |
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| matrohon | but it doesn't play with SG AFAIK | 15:40 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: I don't believe so, sec groups control what goes to a port, and for egress to where traffic goes, but does not look at source addressess of traffic coming from a port | 15:40 |
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| janscheurich | OK thanks | 15:41 |
| tmorin1 | I don't think this has been superseded | 15:41 |
| tmorin1 | there was a recent fix in the OVS agent related to allowed_address_pair | 15:41 |
| tmorin1 | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194741/ | 15:42 |
| tmorin1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194741/ | 15:42 |
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| matrohon | janscheurich : what kind of implemention do you consider for the static route feature with bgpvpn? | 15:42 |
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| janscheurich | tmorin1: Wouldn't the fact that BGPVPN does routing between Network/Subnets outside of the Neutron Router also be hard to swallow by the Neutron community? | 15:43 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich: can't tell yet, but how related to static routes ? | 15:44 |
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| matrohon | janscheurich : +1, which makes hard to overcome the constraint on the current extra route extension | 15:44 |
| janscheurich | Implementation: Static routes are inserted into the L3 FIBs and exported through BGP, with the same MPLS label as used for the connected /32 route to the Neutron port. | 15:44 |
| janscheurich | In our ODL L3-VPN implementation the addition of static routes to the VPN seems straightforward. | 15:45 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: the fact is that Neutron router could also leverage allowed_address_pair additionally to extra_routes | 15:45 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: +1, in bagpipe driver too | 15:45 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : ok, but I mean do you consider a new extension, and do you prefer to leverage existing extensions (allow_addr_pair, extra_route...)? | 15:46 |
| janscheurich | matrohon: What constraints on the current extra route extension? | 15:46 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : the one you mention on the etherpad | 15:47 |
| janscheurich | I think the extra-route extension on the Router should just work in BGPVPN when the Router is associated to the VPN | 15:47 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: +1, I agree with that | 15:47 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich: we just need to determine what to do for Network assocations | 15:48 |
| janscheurich | I just realized: Allowed address pairs are not sufficient. Think about a static default route! | 15:49 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: allowed_address_pair does allow to specific a 0/0 prefix | 15:49 |
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| janscheurich | OK, I didn't see the CIDR in the description and all examples just had full IP addresses | 15:50 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich: yes | 15:51 |
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| matrohon | I recently discovered that CIDR was usable too with allow_addr_pair :) | 15:51 |
| janscheurich | have you ever played around with allowed address pairs? | 15:51 |
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| tmorin1 | would we agree on giving some thought to the allowed_address_pair option and try to cover other topics before the end ? | 15:52 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: no | 15:52 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich: but it is for sure needed to let traffic through in the case of static routes (even if we end up expressing static routes in a different way) | 15:53 |
| matrohon | the best that I know is the l2pop issue with this feature : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1445089 | 15:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1445089 in neutron "allowed-address-pairs broken with l2pop/arp responder and LinuxBridge/VXLAN" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 15:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1445089 in neutron "allowed-address-pairs broken with l2pop/arp responder and LinuxBridge/VXLAN" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:53 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1445089 in neutron "allowed-address-pairs broken with l2pop/arp responder and LinuxBridge/VXLAN" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1445089 | 15:53 |
| janscheurich | I agree the automatic export of allowed address pairs as static routes in a VPN would be elegant, but I am a bit concerned because the Neutron Router doesn't seem to do that, and we would get very different behavior of the system depending on the whether the Router or Network association model is chosen. | 15:54 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich: I understand your concern, but a the same time, we know we will have something different for netwokr associations that the Neutron router does not use... | 15:54 |
| tmorin1 | (and nothing prevents from proposing that Neutron routers leverage allowed_address_pairs additionally to static routes, by the way) | 15:55 |
| janscheurich | What about allowed address pairs that specify also a MAC address? | 15:56 |
| tmorin1 | can we decide to not decide now ? ;) | 15:56 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: I guess we would only take into account the ones that specify an IP prefix | 15:56 |
| tmorin1 | well, for l3 bgpvpn at least | 15:57 |
| tmorin1 | l2 bgpvpn could leverage the MAC addresses | 15:57 |
| janscheurich | Sure: Let's continue the discussion in the Etherpad. But I would at least like to sketch an additional alternative that avoid the re-interpretation of allowed_address_pairs | 15:57 |
| tmorin1 | janscheurich: agreed, but let's try not to do something that would be alien for the rest of Neutron... | 15:58 |
| tmorin1 | #topic API, VXLAN VNID | 15:58 |
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| tmorin1 | not much time to discuss | 15:58 |
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| janscheurich | extra-routes on a BGPVPN should be acceptable, or not? | 15:58 |
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| tmorin1 | I don't know, they could collide with the routes defined on a Router if a Router is associated to the BGPVPN | 15:59 |
| tmorin1 | maybe that is an issue to consider | 15:59 |
| janscheurich | Sure | 15:59 |
| tmorin1 | I think that if we do something new, we should also try to make it reusable with other Neutron components | 16:00 |
| tmorin1 | VPNaaS could have a similar use for it | 16:00 |
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| tmorin1 | ditto for service chaining stuff | 16:00 |
| matrohon | janscheurich : you mean we should look at extra_routes defined for the associated router and export them in the attach bgpvpn | 16:00 |
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| tmorin1 | which is why I'd rather use allowed_address_pairs, if that can work, as an initial first step | 16:00 |
| janscheurich | Yes, that's for sure. I was suggesting to add a similar extra-routes attribute to the BGPVPN object itself | 16:01 |
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| tmorin1 | janscheurich: but that would not be reusable by the rest of Neutron | 16:02 |
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| tmorin1 | jansheurich: if we go for something new, I'd rather look at an option like a extension driver for aPort or Network | 16:02 |
| tmorin1 | s/aPort/Port | 16:02 |
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| tmorin1 | ok, we are out of time | 16:03 |
| tmorin1 | let's pursue the discuss in the etherpad | 16:03 |
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| janscheurich | OK | 16:03 |
| tmorin1 | #topic other | 16:03 |
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| tmorin1 | Just wanted to mention we are merging first contrib by svinota | 16:04 |
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| tmorin1 | API change for RDs | 16:04 |
| tmorin1 | thanks svinota | 16:04 |
| svinota | tmorin1, thanks | 16:04 |
| tmorin1 | I mean merging soon, not yet done :) | 16:04 |
| svinota | :) | 16:05 |
| tmorin1 | I also updated jenkins jobs to avoid some breakage on dependencies | 16:05 |
| tmorin1 | ok, we should free the room I guess | 16:05 |
| tmorin1 | matrohon will drive the meetings the following weeks | 16:05 |
| matrohon | ok | 16:06 |
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| tmorin1 | ok, bye everyone ! | 16:06 |
| janscheurich | Bye then | 16:06 |
| matrohon | bye | 16:06 |
| tmorin1 | #endmeeting | 16:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 28 16:06:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-07-28-15.03.html | 16:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-07-28-15.03.txt | 16:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-07-28-15.03.log.html | 16:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 28 17:01:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | hii | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hi all =) | 17:02 |
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| freerunner | hey ;) | 17:02 |
| katyafervent | 0/ | 17:02 |
| xiangxinyong | hello | 17:02 |
| kzaitsev_mb | todays agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda/Archive/2015-07-28/ | 17:02 |
| mgershen | Hi | 17:02 |
| FilipBlaha | Hi | 17:02 |
| stan_lagun | o/ | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | we had a couple of AI from prevous time. 1st we asked stan_lagun to coordinate yaql release with mistrall guys. I think ativelkov covered that in his email and stan_lagun would cover that in status update =) | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 2d: Nikolay_St create a draft of the log guideline spec. | 17:05 |
| stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: tell when its time for status updates :) | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and he did it with #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205200/ | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so let's move to the status update for yaql then =) | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Migrating to yaql 1.0 status. (slagun) | 17:06 |
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| stan_lagun | there are 2 news: good and the bad | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so how are we doing there stan_lagun ? | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_mb | should we vote on which to start with? =) | 17:07 |
| stan_lagun | the bad news is that yaql migration affected how MuranoPL objects were constructed and initialized. We had previously mostly not working new() and buggy object initialization that was hard to fix. Now I was forced to do that and it took additional time | 17:07 |
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| stan_lagun | the good news is that this quest is almost completed and most of our unit tests are green already with small minor issues left to fix | 17:08 |
| stan_lagun | so the final version is going to be really soon | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | good to hear that, you're still optimistic =) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So we're going to have rc2, right? | 17:09 |
| stan_lagun | rc2 is for yaql, not for dsl migration | 17:10 |
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| katyafervent | when? | 17:10 |
| katyafervent | what do you think, when we will have rc2? | 17:10 |
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| stan_lagun | but yes, there are 3 commits over yaql rc1 that are waiting for code review. I don't know if there will be more commits to yaql. Probably not | 17:10 |
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| stan_lagun | and those commits are bug-fixes | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Correct me if I'm worng. the plan is: rc2 yaql. commits to murano (synced with mistral), that fail. commits to infra to bump yaql version. finally recheck and merge commits to murano. | 17:11 |
| stan_lagun | so there is a feature freeze for yaql 1.0.0 | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: ativelkov: am I correct with the order of things to come? | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: not exactly | 17:12 |
| stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: step 0: QA verification of everything from code in commits on code review. Correct otherwise | 17:12 |
| ativelkov | There should be a formal YAQL 1.0 release before the commits to infra | 17:13 |
| ativelkov | The idea is to minimize the window when all the active murano patches get broken | 17:13 |
| stan_lagun | rc2 should become the release | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok. then. We can set up a test-new-yaql-murano week, what do you think? =) | 17:14 |
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| ativelkov | stan_lagun: the codebase - yes. But that will be a different tag and a different tarballk | 17:14 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and encourage everyone to download a couple of apps and deploy them with new yaql to search for bugs and stuff? | 17:15 |
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| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: sounds like a good plan | 17:16 |
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| stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: well, apps need to be retested. There might be incompatibilities though I tried hard to avoid them. The only question is if it is going to be QAs work or entires team | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb as soon as yaql and muranopl is ready — write an email to encourage murano team and murano users to test new yaql | 17:17 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok then | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sound like a decent plan, let's hope we'll have new yaql by the end of the week =) | 17:18 |
| stan_lagun | the main trick will be to build new murano because it will require unreleased yaql, client, dashboard and engine (all from commits on review) | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | stan_lagun: I'll provide instructions, yep | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Cloud Foundry Service Broker status (Nikolay_St) | 17:20 |
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| Nikolay_St | hi all | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | let's move in | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: so, what's our status with CF integration? | 17:20 |
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| Nikolay_St | ok | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | s/move in/move on/ | 17:20 |
| Nikolay_St | code is ready for review | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | but? =) | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | (cause there should be some 'but', I believe) | 17:21 |
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| Nikolay_St | but we don't have a lab to test that everything works as expected | 17:21 |
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| Nikolay_St | we are interested in specific field 'parameters' that appeared at CF service broker API v2.5 | 17:21 |
| Nikolay_St | the latest stackato image (on which I tested the concepts) has only v2.4 API and don't support 'parameters' | 17:22 |
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| Nikolay_St | so, we need to wait until the new stackato image will be delievered or we can install CF itself | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, that is a bummer. not really sure, if I can think of any real solution, since you're already in contact with pivotal AFAIK | 17:23 |
| Nikolay_St | but we need some extra resources for it:( | 17:23 |
| Nikolay_St | sure | 17:23 |
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| Nikolay_St | the main idea is that the code is ready for review | 17:23 |
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| Nikolay_St | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196820/ | 17:24 |
| Nikolay_St | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202011/ | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so if anyone by any chance can share a latest CF lab with service broker API v2.5 — we would be eternally gratefull =)) | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | if not — we'll have to wait for the stackato image =) | 17:24 |
| Nikolay_St | if you want to try how it works you can contact me) and I'll give an instructions about little hacks for the current stackato ;) | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St | that's all from my side | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St | or | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St | I moved bp for liberty-3 | 17:25 |
| Nikolay_St | s/or/oh/ | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | right. since L2 is like what, today/tomorrow? =) | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Thursday at best ) | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, thanks Nikolay_St keep us updated | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Support for heat environments and files status (mgershen) | 17:26 |
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| mgershen | So there are 3 things I like to discuss | 17:27 |
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| mgershen | 1- The files feature implementation is going well and waiting for review | 17:27 |
| mgershen | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205853/ | 17:27 |
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| mgershen | It might have a chance to get in L-2 | 17:28 |
| mgershen | 2- The concatenate env id to stack name feature needs approval and can be found here: | 17:28 |
| mgershen | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/concatenate-env-id-to-stack-name | 17:28 |
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| mgershen | I already discussed possible implementation with stan_lagun. It seems simple, should a spec be written anyway? | 17:29 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | mgershen: well, we do not have strict rules on writing specs | 17:30 |
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| katyafervent | I think blueprint is enough for the small feature | 17:30 |
| katyafervent | that's for sure | 17:30 |
| mgershen | great :D | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | mgershen: usually if a feature is small to medium — you should file a BP. if it's big — you should file a BP and consider a spec. If it is difficult to implement — you should definitelly file a spec. And if it alters API somehow — that's also a nice indicator, that a spec is required/preferred | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I read that somewhere on nova wiki, I think | 17:32 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so, feel free to just file a BP, and pls mention smelykian (our PTL) as approver =) | 17:33 |
| mgershen | #link: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/concatenate-env-id-to-stack-name | 17:33 |
| mgershen | OK | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mgershen: also, what do you think about new tag feature of heat? | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | wouldn't using it solve the problem? | 17:34 |
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| mgershen | I think it will be nice to leverage all features in heat | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mgershen: take a look at #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/tag-murano-heat-stacks | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Seems like tagging should allow searching and hiding stack, created by murano, but would not allow to determine which stack belongs to which env. Unless we tag stack with env-ids =) | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Although this might be a bit more work, than your option, so we might want to do both =) | 17:37 |
| mgershen | I think it is not enough for us, because our customers sometimes login to OpenStack and expect to see the stacks there. | 17:37 |
| stan_lagun | kzaitsev_mb: stack description contains env id | 17:37 |
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| mgershen | I would like to concatenate env id to stack name | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | mgershen: I personally have no objections to your idea, just remembered, that there is a related BP. | 17:39 |
| mgershen | If the user gives stack description in the template there is no env_id in the stack description | 17:39 |
| mgershen | kzaitsev_mb: thank you, I will and I will take this to my team here :) | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mgershen: so yep, would be nice if you look a bit into tags, casue they seem like they might be benefitial for your situation =) | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | mgershen: you only listed 2 of 3 items | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so what's 3d? =) | 17:41 |
| mgershen | yes, thank you :) | 17:41 |
| mgershen | 3- The environments feature didn't pass spec review yet. With feature freeze getting closer I want to change what was agreed and not return the Heat environments names at the first step. In my company we plan to get them by downloading the package and searching there. | 17:41 |
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| mgershen | current spec is here: | 17:42 |
| mgershen | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202610/ | 17:42 |
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| mgershen | any objections? | 17:42 |
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| stan_lagun | mgershen: I believe this spec is obsolete as we agreed not to introduce API changes. Aren't we? | 17:44 |
| mgershen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198559/ | 17:45 |
| mgershen | stan_lagun, the link up here is the obsolete one. | 17:45 |
| mgershen | we said no API changes for support for Heat files | 17:46 |
| stan_lagun | mgershen: no API changes required for any of your specs | 17:46 |
| mgershen | The user still needs to pass the environment name somehow, and we are using a RESTful API | 17:46 |
| stan_lagun | is this still an issue lets discuss it on #murano | 17:47 |
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| stan_lagun | mgershen: The way to pass environment is the same way as all Heat stack parameters passed. This can be just another parameter from API's PoV | 17:48 |
| mgershen | OK, but no objections for dropping the UI APi part | 17:48 |
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| mgershen | stan_lagun: I see what you are saying, yes can be part of the POST body | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #info decided to further discuss environments feature in murano and to drop API changes from it as well | 17:50 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | but generally there are no strong objections to implementing it, as far as I understand | 17:51 |
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| stan_lagun | no objections for the idea and use case. But we need to agree on implementation details | 17:52 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok agreed on that then. | 17:52 |
| mgershen | great :) | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Any news you guys would want to share? =) | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm slowly linting our js code-base (like 1 file a day), which takes 5-10 minutes of my time a day =). Think the job would be green by the end of next week | 17:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Or maybe by next meeting if we're lucky enough =) | 17:55 |
| kzaitsev_mb | fell free to join #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-escleanup | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | There is a news item from my side | 17:55 |
| kzaitsev_mb | need to get xiangxinyong to attend our meetings =) | 17:55 |
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| xiangxinyong | year i am here | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | It seems like the "major refactoring" of Glance V3 is taking longer than I expected | 17:56 |
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| xiangxinyong | kzaitsev:should js code-base be fixed in L2? | 17:56 |
| kzaitsev_mb | oh great! =) | 17:56 |
| kzaitsev_mb | xiangxinyong: nope, I think L3 would be fine | 17:56 |
| xiangxinyong | understood | 17:57 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: so does it mean that we'll not be able to move to artifacts in L ? | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | kzaitsev_mb: nope, it means thatthe murano plugin for Glance AR will be implemented using the existing framework and API, i.e. with using what we currently have in glance master branch | 17:57 |
| kzaitsev_mb | got it. Would it be much pain to re-write it later? | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | So, the transition will happen, but probably we'll need to rewrite the plugin from scratch when the API refactoring is made | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | bummer | 17:58 |
| ativelkov | not that much pain. | 17:59 |
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| ativelkov | Anyway, it's better than taking a risk to wait till all thes stuff is done there | 17:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: let's add a status update on glance v3 as an item for next meeting, what do you think? | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | Yup | 17:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok #action kzaitsev_mb add a status update on transition to glance v3 to agnda for next meeting | 18:00 |
| ativelkov | BTW, I'll be on a trip next week, not sure if I'll be able to participate in this meeting | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | well I'll ping you then =) | 18:00 |
| mgershen | ativelkov: have fun :) | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, seems we're out of time. Thanks everyone for joining us today! =) | 18:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 28 18:01:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-28-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-28-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-28-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
| mgershen | bye, don't forget to review please #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205853/ | 18:02 |
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| xiangxinyong | bye everyone | 18:02 |
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| jdob | o/ | 18:59 |
| slagle | ok, who all is around besides jdob? :) | 19:01 |
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| slagle | bnemec and dprince are on vacation | 19:02 |
| slagle | i'm not having a meeting with just jdob | 19:02 |
| jdob | :( | 19:02 |
| jdob | though the prospect of one less meeting is actually pretty sweet | 19:02 |
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| slagle | meeting cancelled | 19:05 |
| jdob | \o | 19:05 |
| slagle | jdob: you still get a gold star for perfect attendance | 19:05 |
| jdob | \o/ | 19:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 28 21:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:00 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-07-28_2100_UTC Our Agenda | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:01 |
| gpilz1 | Gilbert W. Pilz Jr. | 21:01 |
| datsun180b | Ed Cranford | 21:01 |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 21:01 |
| priti | Priti Changlani | 21:01 |
| james_li | james li | 21:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello gpilz1, datsun180b, devkulkarni, priti, and james_li | 21:02 |
| devkulkarni | hi adrian_otto | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | none prepared. Any announcements from team members? | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | now I have only one action item from last meetings minutes, but two are in the agenda. What happened? | 21:04 |
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| adrian_otto | I have this one: | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | james_li to file a bug about the config generator explaining how heat and glance solved this. Assign it to devkulkarni. | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | •Status: Completed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1476839) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476839 in Solum "migrate to oslo config generation" [Undecided,New] | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1476839 in solum "migrate to oslo config generation" [Undecided,New] | 21:04 |
| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: the additional two in the agenda are from before | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1476839 in solum "migrate to oslo config generation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1476839 | 21:04 |
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| devkulkarni | I did not remove them as I wanted to provide updates on them | 21:04 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | actually only one | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | so here is the other: | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | dimtruck to check with devdatta-kulkarni about the stauts of the namespace migration to the openstack git namespace, and file openstack-config reviews as needed if they have not already been created. | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | yes — wanted to provide update on that | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1472409 Rename stackforge/solum to openstack/solum | 21:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472409 in Solum "Task: Rename stackforge/solum to openstack/solum" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Devdatta (devdatta-kulkarni) | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1472409 in solum "Task: Rename stackforge/solum to openstack/solum" [Wishlist,In progress] | 21:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1472409 in solum "Task: Rename stackforge/solum to openstack/solum" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472409 | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Following up with infra-team on (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201287/) | 21:05 |
| devkulkarni | yes — basically that is the update | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201693/ Add missing solum projects to reference/projects.yaml | 21:05 |
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| devkulkarni | another related update is that recently TC approved a change that any new project can directly start in openstack org. they want to deprecate stackforge org | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | I have noticed that OpenStack CI is running exceedingly slow | 21:06 |
| devkulkarni | let me see if I can find that review | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | just about every patch I've looked at since yesterday is awaiting a jenkins vote | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192016/ | 21:07 |
| datsun180b | last i checked zuul had a 300+ job queue | 21:07 |
| devkulkarni | you mean across projects? | 21:07 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, across projects | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | 300+ .. wow | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | so don't hold your breath ;-) | 21:08 |
| datsun180b | 315 at the moment | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | ha ha.. true | 21:08 |
| james_li | we need intel's cluster | 21:08 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: :) | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | well that's definitely coming | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | but usually the problem is not system capacity. It's brittle software. | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review and Discussion | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) Resolving issues with using oslo_config generator (devkulkarni, james_li) | 21:09 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: wanted to chat with you about this issue | 21:10 |
| james_li | devkulkarni and I made some discussions via comments on that bug page | 21:10 |
| devkulkarni | ok — I just checked them.. here is the #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1476839 | 21:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476839 in Solum "migrate to oslo config generation" [Undecided,New] | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1476839 in solum "migrate to oslo config generation" [Undecided,New] | 21:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1476839 in solum "migrate to oslo config generation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1476839 | 21:11 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: are you now clear about the steps? | 21:11 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: I think so. | 21:11 |
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| james_li | cool | 21:11 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto: we can proceed to the next point | 21:12 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Pluggable deployer spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202254/) (james_li, randallburt) | 21:12 |
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| james_li | overall the spec looks good to me | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: randallburt was supposed to join us today but had something to take care of. | 21:13 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: i thought you had few comments.. | 21:13 |
| james_li | I just have some thoughts about the proposal for API change | 21:13 |
| james_li | since randall is not here, I can add some comments in the spec | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: yes — that will be good.. we can follow up through the comments | 21:14 |
| devkulkarni | out of curiosity | 21:14 |
| james_li | yeah | 21:14 |
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| devkulkarni | what were your thoughts? | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | for me — one suggestion to randallburt was to not use the term 'flavor' | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | as it has an established meaning in the OpenStack ecosystem | 21:15 |
| james_li | I understand the reason behind the api change, but I am just thinking it could have a better name :) | 21:15 |
| devkulkarni | fair enough | 21:16 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: yeah I am thinking the same | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | +1 not to use flavor | 21:16 |
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| datsun180b | style or variant maybe? | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | adrian_otto, datsun180b: please take a look at the spec whenever you get a chance as well | 21:16 |
| datsun180b | "option" has other context, and so does "configuration" | 21:16 |
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| devkulkarni | so randallburt was thinking more along the lines of "architectural-flavor" | 21:17 |
| adrian_otto | "variant" work for me | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | as in "infrastructure variant"? | 21:17 |
| devkulkarni | may be infrastructure/architecture style | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | just thinking out loud.. | 21:18 |
| datsun180b | that's why we have this meeting | 21:18 |
| devkulkarni | why not just template? | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | you could also refer to it as a template | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | because that's literally what it is | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | yes, thats what I was thinking | 21:19 |
| devkulkarni | why to invent a different term.. | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | just call it what it is | 21:20 |
| devkulkarni | +1 | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | we had this debate back when the term blueprint was preferred by some | 21:20 |
| adrian_otto | we concluded "template" was the right term back then as well | 21:20 |
| datsun180b | template++ | 21:20 |
| james_li | +1 | 21:20 |
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| devkulkarni | take an agreed then? :) | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | #agreed we will refer to architectural variants as architectural templates | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | will that suffice? | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | awesome! | 21:21 |
| devkulkarni | yep | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | last on the agenda for this section is: | 21:21 |
| adrian_otto | 4) Vagrant setup not working. Discuss options to fix it (devkulkarni, datsun180b) | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | so here is the status | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | in our Vagrant setup docker daemon is not starting up.. and this causes none of the other services to start | 21:22 |
| devkulkarni | james_li and I have been discussing some options to fix the issue | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | do we know why docker does not start? | 21:23 |
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| datsun180b | that aufs change didn't do the trick? | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | it probably is something in docker version 1.7, which nova-docker pulls in (it pulls in the latest) | 21:23 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: probably not | 21:23 |
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| devkulkarni | I will let you know soon.. I have just started running the VM again | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | so lets see | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | we need all vagrant setup up and running so that datsun180b's workflow related work can be moved forward | 21:24 |
| devkulkarni | so my priority is to get that to work | 21:24 |
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| devkulkarni | s/all/our/ | 21:25 |
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| devkulkarni | so datsun180b, james_li if you have any suggestions/insights send them to me | 21:25 |
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| datsun180b | i'll spend some time trying to find and fill in those potholes | 21:26 |
| devkulkarni | datsun180b: greatly appreciated | 21:26 |
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| devkulkarni | datsun180b: I have a question about workflow | 21:27 |
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| datsun180b | shoot | 21:28 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Dicusssion | 21:28 |
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| devkulkarni | do you have the the exact cli commands that you have been using for testing the new app model and the workflow changes | 21:28 |
| datsun180b | solum app register /opt/stack/solum/examples/apps/(i forget).yaml | 21:29 |
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| datsun180b | solum app update <app name> --name <new name> | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | solum app deploy <app name> | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | off the top of my head | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | so those haven't change, right? | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | i sure hope not! | 21:29 |
| devkulkarni | ok | 21:30 |
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| devkulkarni | how about for workflow? | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | I know that you have those WIPs where you have implemented resources | 21:30 |
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| devkulkarni | how were you interacting with them? via cli? via curl? | 21:30 |
| datsun180b | via cli | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | if it was curl, do you have the structure of the request somewhere | 21:30 |
| devkulkarni | oh okay | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | solum workflow list <app name> | 21:31 |
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| datsun180b | and the CLI has a --json flag and a --debug flag to help you create curls | 21:31 |
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| datsun180b | not really a fan of prettytable because parsing it isn't fun | 21:31 |
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| devkulkarni | ok. so for workflows, apart from 'list' was there any other command implemented in your wip? | 21:32 |
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| datsun180b | solum workflow show <app> <workflow> | 21:32 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 21:32 |
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| datsun180b | now for that one i was working so both uuids and incrementals would work for the workflow | 21:33 |
| datsun180b | so you could say "show me my wordpress's workflow number 2" | 21:33 |
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| datsun180b | oh and to save your fingers, "wf" is an accepted abbreviation in the cli | 21:33 |
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| devkulkarni | got it.. | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | oh wf | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | as long as it's not wtf | 21:34 |
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| devkulkarni | ha ha ha | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | time to wrap up today? | 21:34 |
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| devkulkarni | sure.. datsun180b will ping in solum | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | before we adjourn | 21:35 |
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| adrian_otto | oh, nm. | 21:35 |
| adrian_otto | time to adjourn | 21:35 |
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| adrian_otto | our next meeting is Tuesday 2015-08-04 at 2100 UTC. See you then! | 21:36 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 28 21:36:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:36 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-28-21.00.html | 21:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-28-21.00.txt | 21:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-28-21.00.log.html | 21:36 |
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| juggler | #startmeeting | 22:00 |
| openstack | juggler: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 22:00 |
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| juggler | #startmeeting Containers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 28 22:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is juggler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 22:00 |
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| juggler | hello all | 22:01 |
| apmelton | o/ | 22:01 |
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| yuanying-alt | o/ | 22:01 |
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| eghobo | o/ | 22:01 |
| juggler | o/ | 22:01 |
| Tango | o/ | 22:01 |
| daneyon | o/ | 22:01 |
| mfalatic | o/ | 22:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 22:01 |
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| juggler | Glad you all could be here...let's proceed... | 22:02 |
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| juggler | #topic | 22:02 |
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| jay-lau-513 | jay-lau-513 | 22:02 |
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| juggler | heh...what's the next directive :) | 22:03 |
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| madhuri_ | o/ | 22:03 |
| juggler | one moment, please... | 22:04 |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 22:04 |
| mfalatic | . #cakeforall | 22:04 |
| mjbrewer | o/ | 22:04 |
| yuanying-alt | Annoucement? | 22:04 |
| jay-lau-513 | o/ | 22:04 |
| travisn | o/ | 22:04 |
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| juggler | #topic Announcements | 22:04 |
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| adrian_otto | I have asked juggler to help out with meetings | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | so this is a practice run | 22:05 |
| juggler | Any announcements all? :) | 22:05 |
| juggler | a very practice run... :) | 22:05 |
| suro-patz | o/ | 22:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-07-28_2200_UTC Our Agenda | 22:06 |
| adrian_otto | ok, juggler let's advance topics | 22:07 |
| juggler | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update | 22:07 |
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| juggler | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-07-23-18.05.html Previous Meeting | 22:08 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: care to offer us a summary? | 22:08 |
| daneyon | sure | 22:08 |
| daneyon | 99% of the meeting was focused on discussing the network spec | 22:08 |
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| daneyon | we discussed the objections... most from the neutron community | 22:09 |
| daneyon | we are at an impasse where we need to figure out the next steps | 22:10 |
| daneyon | we can standardize on libnetwork | 22:10 |
| daneyon | however, kubernetes has it's own pluggable network model | 22:10 |
| daneyon | we don;t need to support the k8s pluggable network model | 22:10 |
| adrian_otto | (leveraging libnetwork is the preferred approach from our neutron community perspective) | 22:10 |
| daneyon | we could get flannel (our current k8s network implementation) to work with Docker's libnetwork by using the native bridge driver | 22:11 |
| daneyon | it needs to be validated | 22:11 |
| jay-lau-513 | daneyon: Does there are any huawei guys contact you for libnetwork integration proposals? | 22:11 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto i agree on leveraging, but do we want to standardize on it. | 22:11 |
| jay-lau-513 | daneyon: we discussed this in a local meeting and they want to work with you for the solution | 22:12 |
| hongbin | jay-lau-513: who are the huawei guys | 22:12 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin: from libnetwork team | 22:12 |
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| jay-lau-513 | hongbin: they want to contribute to magnum | 22:13 |
| daneyon | their is a lot of push towards the Kuryr project, but the project has no specs or detailed doc's on what it is or what it will be | 22:13 |
| daneyon | their is a lot of misunderstanding around Kuryr | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | agreed. | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | The remarks in our subteam meeting and the content in the Kuryr readme did not match | 22:13 |
| adrian_otto | so that means that there is somtheing more ambitious planned that has not yet made it into docs | 22:14 |
| daneyon | are we ok with not supporting k8s's pluggable network model? if goog joins and wants to support k8s pluggable network, then we come full circle??? | 22:14 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: we need a solution that works across different Bay types | 22:15 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto in the m net spec, i asked the kuryr team to create a spec for their project. they are starting whip together code, but no spec. that concerns me | 22:15 |
| adrian_otto | until users tell us otherwise, it's probably not wise to fixate too much on the features on one bay type | 22:15 |
| eghobo | daneyon: I though flannel supports kub model, doesn't it? | 22:15 |
| juggler | Sounds like some additional discussion is needed... | 22:16 |
| juggler | #action Libnetwork team / daneyon to coordinate meeting for possible integration solution | 22:16 |
| adrian_otto | we have the Thu subteam meetings already | 22:16 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto and libnetwork (for now) can do that. I think it could become a problem if goog has different views/plans for the ks pluggable net model. The k8s team has suggested combining the k8s/libnetwork models, but nothing has happened | 22:16 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon: let's cross that bridge when we come to it. Let's proceed with the information we have now. | 22:17 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto it will be super helpful to know who from goog will be contrib to magnum and what their view is on this topic | 22:17 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: I'd like to know that too. I expect to hear from them soon. | 22:18 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto or do we just move forward and if goog wants something different, then they need to reimplment? | 22:18 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: yes. | 22:18 |
| daneyon | in the mean time, maybe i shift the focus a bit on the following: | 22:18 |
| daneyon | 1. Get more involved in kuryr to make sure things are moving in the right direction | 22:18 |
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| adrian_otto | good. | 22:18 |
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| juggler | #topic AI Review | 22:19 |
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| daneyon | 2. test flannel with libnetwork's native bridge driver... this is what would be needed if we decide to standardize on libnetwork | 22:19 |
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| daneyon | If we can't get ^ working, then we need to patch libnetwork or flannel or not standardize on libnetwork. | 22:19 |
| adrian_otto | both are appropriate on an immediate basis | 22:19 |
| hongbin | works for me | 22:20 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto OK, I will do both then | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | thanks daneyon. Let's revisit it in the subteam, and continue advancement there. | 22:21 |
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| adrian_otto | thanks for advancing topics, juggler. Please indicate the AI's to review | 22:21 |
| daneyon | adrian_otto et all... should we continue the net subteam meetings? | 22:21 |
| tcammann1 | o/ sorry I'm late | 22:21 |
| daneyon | if so, i'll update the wiki | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | daneyon: yes | 22:21 |
| juggler | will do! ... just patiently waiting for daneyon to finish thoughts... | 22:21 |
| adrian_otto | welcome tcammann | 22:21 |
| juggler | #topic AI: 1) adrian_otto to verify Magnum team has enough support to integrate with Magnum | 22:22 |
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| juggler | adrian_otto could you provide us a status on this AI? | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri_: do you agree you have what you need? | 22:22 |
| tcammann1 | Was barbican right | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | I marked this as complete | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | Barbican | 22:22 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I entered the action incorrectly last week | 22:23 |
| madhuri_ | Yes for storing cert | 22:23 |
| madhuri_ | But not as a CA | 22:23 |
| juggler | #action daneyon to update the wiki for net subteam meeting | 22:23 |
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| apmelton | adrian_otto: madhuri_: what's the issue with 'as a CA', I was planning on taking this up | 22:23 |
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| adrian_otto | is this an involvement problem, or a software problem? | 22:23 |
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| apmelton | was it something barbican just can't do well at the moment, or a magnum resource issue? | 22:24 |
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| madhuri_ | Dogtag installtion on Ubuntu has some bug now | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | apmelton: thanks for helping out with this, we really need to break through some friction here | 22:24 |
| madhuri_ | according to Adee | 22:24 |
| adrian_otto | doortag is an open source software for cert management | 22:24 |
| madhuri_ | And also the snakeoil plugin with devstack is not working | 22:24 |
| madhuri_ | Sorry Dogtag | 22:25 |
| tcammann1 | Aren't we using storing certs, why do we still need barbican? | 22:25 |
| apmelton | madhuri_: I can take a look at snakeoil asap | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | Dogtag | 22:25 |
| tcammann1 | *db ^ | 22:25 |
| madhuri_ | Thanks apmelton | 22:25 |
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| adrian_otto | we really don't want secrets in the magnum db. | 22:25 |
| adrian_otto | We are falling back to this as a last resort | 22:25 |
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| madhuri_ | adrian_otto: That part is independent | 22:26 |
| madhuri_ | And can be implemented now | 22:26 |
| tcammann1 | I feel we should look into using Anchor as a CA if Barbican cannot support this | 22:26 |
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| madhuri_ | The issue is with the CA part in Barbican not the storage part | 22:26 |
| adrian_otto | Barbican seems to depend on a bunch of other software that just does not work | 22:26 |
| madhuri_ | +1 adrian_otto | 22:27 |
| * tcammann1 thought this might happen :( | 22:27 | |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so let's revisit this later in the agenda | 22:27 |
| juggler | #action apmelton to review snakeoil plugin and assist madhuri with integration | 22:27 |
| madhuri_ | Sure adrian_otto | 22:27 |
| juggler | #topic AI: 2) tcammann to move heat-coe-templates repo to project attic, and to relay our resolution on the ML thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail | 22:28 |
| adrian_otto | I'd like madhuri and apmelton to work together to come up with some options and present them on our ML so Magnum team members can offer input | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | does that seem reasonable? | 22:28 |
| apmelton | sure | 22:28 |
| juggler | please ignore that last URL...will be repasted | 22:28 |
| juggler | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068381.html | 22:28 |
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| adrian_otto | tcammann1: it would be good if you could also participate there | 22:28 |
| madhuri_ | +1 from me | 22:28 |
| juggler | tcammann: might you have feedback on this action item? | 22:29 |
| tcammann1 | sure, maybe sync up at the midcycle? | 22:29 |
| tcammann1 | juggler: the review is up for review by infra, and I sent out a mail on the ML on the subject | 22:29 |
| tcammann1 | I'll find the link to the review | 22:29 |
| adrian_otto | we should collect midcycle topics before we adjourn today. | 22:29 |
| tcammann1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205146/ | 22:30 |
| juggler | thanks tcammann | 22:30 |
| juggler | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 22:30 |
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| juggler | #topic #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack Power Magnum to run on metal with Hyper | 22:30 |
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| adrian_otto | so on this topic, I raised a number of concerns on our ML | 22:31 |
| juggler | Xu, do you have input on this blueprint? | 22:31 |
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| jay-lau-513 | Not sure if Xu on line or not | 22:31 |
| jay-lau-513 | I have some comments for this and want to discuss with team | 22:31 |
| juggler | go ahead adrian_otto | 22:31 |
| adrian_otto | proceed jay-lau-513 | 22:31 |
| jay-lau-513 | I heard that Hyper is now integrating with Kubernets, once they finished integraiton with k8s, I think that we can create a new k8s bay with hyper in Mangum | 22:32 |
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| jay-lau-513 | this is solution 1 | 22:32 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, that's an option | 22:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | Solution 2, is if hyper can be a kind of framework on top of mesos, then it would be another mesos bay | 22:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | because hyper can use mesos do resource scheduling to decide where to deploy the pod/container, just like what marathon+mesos+docker doing now | 22:33 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin has finished marathon+mesos integration, I think it is pretty similar with hyper+mesos | 22:34 |
| eghobo | jay-lau-513: you probably mean executor | 22:34 |
| jay-lau-513 | eghobo yes | 22:34 |
| jay-lau-513 | I do not think we need a nova hyper driver just like other nova compute drivers | 22:34 |
| adrian_otto | fair enough. I read though that particular ML thread, and I understand that it's not a perfect fit there either. | 22:35 |
| adrian_otto | in all honesty, I just think this is interesting, and want to find a place where we can welcome adding it | 22:36 |
| jay-lau-513 | because magnum cannot leverage those drivers, the nova hyper driver will be managed by nova to create pod/containers and the nova team do not like this, as it is kind of another nova docker driver | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | but I'm not willing to set the full strategy for it myself | 22:36 |
| juggler | is additional research needed to determine which of these 2 solutions is optimal? | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | because we already have secure multi-tenancy by nature of using Bays | 22:36 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: we have had this on the agenda now for 3 continuous weeks, and the Hyper team is not showing up. | 22:37 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto, yes, if hyper can follow our bay/baymodel design thinking, then it should be ok | 22:37 |
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| juggler | ah | 22:37 |
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| adrian_otto | so I'm planning to drop it from the next agenda, and we can follow up on the ML for this. | 22:37 |
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| adrian_otto | I agree with jay-lau-513 that it can be integrated as a bay type, and that's probably the best fit | 22:37 |
| adrian_otto | this would be worth covering at the imdcycle | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | Midcycle | 22:38 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum/Midcycle | 22:38 |
| juggler | #action adrian_otto to table Hyper discussion to the ML or MidCycle | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | I should have mentioned during the announcements section a reminder that this is coming next week | 22:39 |
| jay-lau-513 | adrian_otto I think that I can discuss with Hyper guys locally, as they are in china and we are in same time zone | 22:39 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-liberty-midcycle-topics Midcycle Agenda | 22:39 |
| juggler | thanks adrian | 22:39 |
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| juggler | proceeding to the next blueprint: | 22:39 |
| juggler | #topic #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/070583.html New Discussion about Hyperstack | 22:40 |
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| hongbin | jay-lau-513: Better to ask them to join the midcycle | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | ok, will do. | 22:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin where does the midcyle will be held? | 22:40 |
| juggler | Peng any feedback? | 22:40 |
| adrian_otto | #idea invite Hyper team to Midcycle meetup | 22:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin can they join remotely | 22:40 |
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| adrian_otto | juggler: we covered this, advance to the next please | 22:40 |
| hongbin | jay-lau-513: I think everyone can join remotely | 22:40 |
| jay-lau-513 | hongbin ok, cool | 22:41 |
| juggler | ok | 22:41 |
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| juggler | #topic #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay Obtain the objects from the bay endpoint (sdake) | 22:41 |
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| jay-lau-513 | hongbin I think that huawei has many guys interested in magnum, you can probaly lead them to contribute ;-) | 22:41 |
| juggler | sdake... please proceed | 22:41 |
| tcammann1 | sdake and I intend to sync up on this at the midcycle | 22:42 |
| tcammann1 | no progress so far | 22:42 |
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| hongbin | jay-lau-513: Sure, I would talk to them | 22:43 |
| juggler | #action sdake/tcammann to sync up on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay at MidCycle | 22:43 |
| juggler | thanks tcammann....that is progress | 22:43 |
| juggler | ! | 22:43 |
| juggler | #topic #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes Secure the client/server communication between ReST client and ReST server (madhuri) | 22:43 |
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| juggler | any feedback madhuri? | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | Patches for review online | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | We are implementing the solution with no dependency now | 22:44 |
| juggler | great | 22:44 |
| madhuri_ | I have also updated the spec for clear picture | 22:44 |
| adrian_otto | I'm not thrilled about the ordering, because I want to follow the principle of secure-by-default | 22:45 |
| madhuri_ | adrian_otto: Yes we will definitely do it | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | I'm not happy about internal cert and key storage in the magnum db | 22:45 |
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| madhuri_ | I made a comment around yuanying-alt patch | 22:45 |
| adrian_otto | but madhuri_ has assured me that we will have secure storage implemented in Liberty as well | 22:45 |
| juggler | would you like an action-item towards that goal adrian? | 22:46 |
| madhuri_ | I have slow progress due to many dependent patches stll waiting to be merged | 22:46 |
| madhuri_ | That's why I would like cores to help reviewing it soon | 22:46 |
| madhuri_ | So that I can proceed fast | 22:46 |
| adrian_otto | and our gerrit work queue is clogged up what seems like by about a year. | 22:47 |
| juggler | madhuri do you anticipate how soon? | 22:47 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: I want to discuss the insecure alternative | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we are sort on time today | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | but let's cover that now, and then skip to Open Discussion | 22:47 |
| madhuri_ | We can discuss on #opensrack-containers | 22:47 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri_: ok | 22:47 |
| madhuri_ | Ok | 22:48 |
| juggler | #topic The Insecure alternative | 22:48 |
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| juggler | proceed hongbin | 22:48 |
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| hongbin | I think it is better to support an optional insecure bay | 22:48 |
| hongbin | because most provisioning tool provision a insecure k8s | 22:48 |
| adrian_otto | my initial position is the opposite | 22:48 |
| hongbin | like ansible, juju ... | 22:49 |
| madhuri_ | We can have that support but by default we will have secure option | 22:49 |
| hongbin | users are used to play with an insecure k8s | 22:49 |
| madhuri_ | +1 adrian_otto | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri_: why not be a bit more opinionated, and only support secure. | 22:49 |
| tcammann1 | Almost all tools that make TLS connections support the insecure option, including all the openstack clients | 22:49 |
| adrian_otto | why is that? | 22:50 |
| madhuri_ | adrian_otto: I think we should support both and let user have their choices to play around | 22:50 |
| tcammann1 | It should be off by default | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | I agree that if we do offer the feature that it be off by default | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | but should we have the feature at all | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | who is really going to use that? | 22:50 |
| tcammann1 | Because TLS can be tough to debug and manage for small proof of concept work | 22:50 |
| adrian_otto | seems like additional maintenance burden for us | 22:50 |
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| hongbin | Yes, a use case is debug | 22:51 |
| madhuri_ | Yes we do need to have differrent test for both | 22:51 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann1: ok, that's a compelling reason | 22:51 |
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| hongbin | Maybe better for developers | 22:51 |
| tcammann1 | It'll be a small maintaince burden compared to supporting TLS | 22:51 |
| madhuri_ | Agreed | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | we have to support TLS. | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | the question is whether to also support insecure mode | 22:52 |
| tcammann1 | I'm not disagreeing with that :) | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, let's do this | 22:52 |
| apmelton | is the idea that we're trying to reduce barrier to entry for deploying magnum? | 22:52 |
| tcammann1 | For parity with the rest of OpenStack we should | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | let's implement both | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | insecure off by default | 22:52 |
| madhuri_ | Ok it is already in my todo list | 22:52 |
| adrian_otto | and tech debt ticket to remove the insecure option later | 22:52 |
| apmelton | so that an operator whos curious about magnum can spin it up, and try it out really quickly without having tons of dependencies? | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | we can debate the merits of that tech debt ticket at our midcycle. | 22:53 |
| madhuri_ | Yes apmelton | 22:53 |
| tcammann1 | Yep +1 adrian_otto | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | possibly eliminating it | 22:53 |
| hongbin | wfm | 22:53 |
| eghobo | just side note, even kub cluster-up has https by default | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | ok, cool | 22:53 |
| adrian_otto | juggler: let's proceed to Open Discussion | 22:53 |
| juggler | #action implement TLS and non-TLS support with insecure off by default | 22:53 |
| juggler | #action establish tech debt ticket to remove insecure option | 22:54 |
| juggler | #topic Open Discussion | 22:54 |
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| juggler | proceeding | 22:54 |
| juggler | any open comments folks? | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | If you have not recorded your topics in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-liberty-midcycle-topics | 22:54 |
| tcammann1 | Can we add a Magnum UI update to the adjenda for future meetings. There seems to be no progress | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | please do that now | 22:54 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I think there is a better way to get updates on the high priority BPs | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | I should email the owners the day before our meeting, and have the status up on our agenda page for reference | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | and our members can read the ones they care about | 22:55 |
| juggler | #action item Add Magnum UI update section to the agenda for future meetings | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | and I can call attention to ones that appear to be stalled | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | is that fair? | 22:55 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann1: yes. | 22:56 |
| madhuri_ | +1 | 22:56 |
| Tango | +1 | 22:56 |
| hongbin | +1 | 22:56 |
| juggler | #action All: Record MidCycle topics prior to the MidCycle: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-liberty-midcycle-topics | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | and in your respective email responses, you can let me know if you want a position on the agenda for team discussion | 22:56 |
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| adrian_otto | or just provide the written update | 22:56 |
| adrian_otto | that should free up more time for higher value discussion | 22:57 |
| adrian_otto | thanks juggler for assisting with chair duty | 22:58 |
| juggler | #action Contact adrian_otto for MidCycle agenda discussion topics via e-mail | 22:58 |
| juggler | you are welcome | 22:58 |
| tcammann1 | thanks juggler | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | our next team meeting is scheduled for Tuesday 2015-08-04 at UTC 1600. | 22:58 |
| juggler | further discussion will be in our regular channel. | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | any final thoughts before juggler adjourns us? | 22:58 |
| madhuri_ | Thanks everyone | 22:58 |
| adrian_otto | cheers!! | 22:59 |
| hongbin | The next meeting is one day before the midcycle? | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | yes sir | 22:59 |
| hongbin | Then we still do it? | 22:59 |
| adrian_otto | yes. | 22:59 |
| hongbin | k | 22:59 |
| juggler | correct | 22:59 |
| tcammann1 | I'll be in the right timezone for that one! | 22:59 |
| juggler | thank you for stopping by all! | 22:59 |
| juggler | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 28 22:59:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-28-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-28-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-28-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
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