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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 14:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:00 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:00 | |
| adrian-hoban | Hello | 14:00 |
| sgordon | who is about to talk telco? | 14:00 |
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| adrian-hoban | Love talking telco ;-) | 14:01 |
| aveiga | hello | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | aight | 14:01 |
| sgordon | couple of quick things before we get into the meat of it | 14:02 |
| ralfT | hi | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #info Added Daniel Schabarum and Yuriy Babenko as telcowg-usecases cores | 14:02 |
| DaSchab | hi | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | after the discussion in last week's meeting and no negative feedback to the proposal on the list i added those two to core | 14:02 |
| adrian-hoban | Congrats guys | 14:02 |
| DaSchab | thx | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #info Moving telcowg-usecases under User Committee in openstack/ namespace | 14:02 |
| sgordon | we discussed this last week as well but didn't have quorum | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | it kind of blends into the next topic which aveiga had raised previously in regards to workflow | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | which is to say that it feels like we're on the treadmill somewhat | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | in terms of the workflow itself (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178347/) and the use case work | 14:03 |
| sgordon | in particular a couple of new things have come up since we started talking about this process | 14:04 |
| sgordon | primarily the "rfe" process in neutron and backlog specs in nova | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | and also the use case process the product working group are putting together | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | (the working theory there being that working groups like this one would be feeding into the product working group though it seems there is a desire for even more abstract use cases at that level) | 14:05 |
| sgordon | EOF | 14:05 |
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| adrian-hoban | Do those topics only affect the workflow after line 134? | 14:05 |
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| adrian-hoban | i.e. what to do once the use case is agreed to? | 14:06 |
| aveiga | adrian-hoban: that depends on how we decide to scope it | 14:06 |
| mkoderer | hi folks | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, that's what im trying to ascertain | 14:07 |
| aveiga | if the user committee for some reason became the use case depot and the rfe/backlog became implementation, it could conceivably be all of it | 14:07 |
| aveiga | but yes, it's mostly the bug/spec sections (i.e. post-analysis actions) | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | right | 14:08 |
| sgordon | it at the very least can simplify that part of it | 14:08 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon: aveiga asked me about my opinon to get rid of the telco-usecase repo | 14:09 |
| mkoderer | is it the same topic? | 14:09 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: yes, but a chat about degrees | 14:10 |
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| aveiga | I'm trying to understand what the point of continuing is if we have multiple, broader community efforts to do the same thing we do but not be telco-specific | 14:10 |
| aveiga | if they already exist and fully overlap, then it's a matter of getting a telco glossary to those groups | 14:11 |
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| aveiga | if they don't overlap, then we need to provide coverage | 14:11 |
| sgordon | there is also a level of detail issue, do the backlog specs for example need more or less detail than we're capturing | 14:11 |
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| mkoderer | aveiga: anything that brings us closer to the dev community is a good thing | 14:11 |
| sgordon | seems like we are spinning our wheels on some of these trying to come up with the perfect use case definition in isolation | 14:11 |
| sgordon | versus getting it in front of the dev community and iterating | 14:12 |
| aveiga | +1 | 14:12 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: +1 | 14:12 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: what must happen to be "in front of dev com"? | 14:13 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, rfe or backlog spec in the relevant project in this case i think | 14:13 |
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| mkoderer | ybabenko: we need to involve them... and this happends if we start open design specs | 14:13 |
| DaSchab | than we need more details in our use cases, right? | 14:13 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, obviously everything is happening in the open but that doesnt mean there are a huge number of devs reviewing our repo | 14:13 |
| sgordon | certainly there are some but not many | 14:14 |
| ybabenko | is not openstack summit a good platform to kick this? | 14:14 |
| ybabenko | if not then what? | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | not really to be honest | 14:14 |
| sgordon | invariably any sessions we have at summit clashes with the dev tracks | 14:15 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Are the RFE and backlog specs expected to be more detailed than the use case level we've mostly been focusing on? | 14:15 |
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| sgordon | and besides stagnating for 4 months doesnt seem like a good plan | 14:15 |
| mkoderer | ybabenko: getting a design slot at the summit need already many technical details | 14:15 |
| DaSchab | how should we proceed? | 14:16 |
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| aveiga | adrian-hoban_: from what I can tell, the RFE is about the same detail | 14:17 |
| aveiga | it doesn't require a proposed implementation like specs do | 14:17 |
| mkoderer | DaSchab: we should focues on use-cases that we already have and try to get them implemented | 14:17 |
| sgordon | aveiga, right and my impression is the nova backlog spec is similar | 14:17 |
| sgordon | you dont need an implementation plan so much as a problem statement | 14:17 |
| mkoderer | we could work on spec for our placement zone use case... shouldn't be that hard to create specs out of it | 14:17 |
| DaSchab | what must be the level of detail? more or less? | 14:18 |
| DaSchab | I assume more | 14:18 |
| mkoderer | DaSchab: http://specs.openstack.org/ | 14:18 |
| aveiga | DaSchab: nope, it's the same | 14:18 |
| aveiga | oh, if you mean specs, it's more | 14:18 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: do you have a example for an RFE? | 14:19 |
| adrian-hoban_ | aveiga: sgordon: Thanks. Both RFE and backlog specs as I understand it are intended to focus on features rather than use cases. Early feedback on some asks coming from Telco community centered on a lack of info on why the telco folks were asking for particular items which is why we started this use case initiative | 14:19 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: let me get one for you | 14:20 |
| aveiga | adrian-hoban_: right, and that is what the User Committee was created to address | 14:20 |
| mkoderer | aveiga: are they tracked in launchpad in the bugtracker? | 14:20 |
| aveiga | mkoderer: yes, RFEs begin as a bug | 14:21 |
| ybabenko | I mean we have at least two very critical use-cases which a lot of folks need: placement zones and sfc ... the question is not how to attract rigth people to these | 14:21 |
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| mkoderer | aveiga: ok so linking an RFE to a telco use-case is easy then | 14:21 |
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| aveiga | yes | 14:21 |
| sgordon | yes | 14:21 |
| aveiga | here's an RFE my team submitted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468353 | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468353 in neutron "QoS DSCP marking rule support" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to James Reeves (james-reeves5546) | 14:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1468353 in neutron "QoS DSCP marking rule support" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1468353 in neutron "QoS DSCP marking rule support" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468353 | 14:22 |
| adrian-hoban_ | ybabenko: On the SFC case, there is already lots of attention happening. From a telco use case perspective, I don't think a gap in the current work items has been clearly identified in the use case spec yet. | 14:23 |
| aveiga | there's actually a subteam on SFC | 14:23 |
| aveiga | it seems to me that one was big enough that our use cases definition won't cut it | 14:23 |
| sgordon | aveiga, mmm - that does seem to get into implementation a little no? | 14:23 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: only because we already had an implementation discussed from Vancouver | 14:24 |
| sgordon | fair enough | 14:24 |
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| ralfT | I'm in contact with Cathy on the SFC topic | 14:26 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | Rather than debate the SFC use case here too much (yet), more generally are you thinking that our use cases with a focus on what is needed, why it is needed, and known gaps, would get more developer attention under the user groups? | 14:27 |
| adrian-hoban_ | And allow a shorter path to detailed discussions on those gaps? | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban_, im concerned that at the moment we're back to primarily circulating them within this team searching for perfection | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | and not getting that external discussion | 14:29 |
| adrian-hoban_ | sgordon: +1 | 14:30 |
| DaSchab | +1 | 14:30 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Would a new home help? | 14:30 |
| aveiga | we have to get some kind of ask in front of each project or there won't be progress | 14:30 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | aveiga: +1. I thought the use case was to help define what that ask would be. | 14:31 |
| DaSchab | would it help to have our merged use cases visible and integrated on a website instead of rst? | 14:31 |
| sgordon | well there's kind of a "new home" question anyway, in that i do need to move the repo to openstack/ regardless | 14:32 |
| sgordon | but separately it caused us to question the workflow | 14:32 |
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| aveiga | adrian-hoban_: to sgordon's point, we have to move. If we're moving, why not end up where the other user-originated use cases are? | 14:32 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | aveiga: I'm fully supportive of any move that makes things run smoother. Just trying to understand how/where that is... | 14:33 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Can someone share a pointer to other user originated use cases? | 14:35 |
| sgordon | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/ | 14:36 |
| sgordon | aveiga, is there a link somewhere for the rfe process other than kyle's blog | 14:36 |
| sgordon | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/ | 14:36 |
| sgordon | #link http://www.siliconloons.com/posts/2015-06-01-new-neutron-rfe-process/ | 14:36 |
| aveiga | sgordon: I'd ask him, but he's not online | 14:37 |
| aveiga | I'd sure hope so | 14:37 |
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| sgordon | #info discussing need to move from stackforge and whether process can take advantage of backlog specs/rfes/productwg | 14:37 |
| sgordon | #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/doc/source/policies/blueprints.rst | 14:37 |
| sgordon | aveiga, that looks to be it in the repo itself | 14:37 |
| aveiga | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html | 14:37 |
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| aveiga | it's a subheading in there | 14:38 |
| sgordon | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe | 14:38 |
| sgordon | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html | 14:38 |
| sgordon | you get a link, and you get a link, and YOU get a link | 14:38 |
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| aveiga | sgordon: href Oprah | 14:38 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | The template in the backlog spec does have a section for the use case. That could hold some (all?) of the info we've been capturing | 14:39 |
| aveiga | adrian-hoban_: yup, it just means we have to duplicate use-case docs if the gaps are cross-project | 14:40 |
| sgordon | right | 14:40 |
| sgordon | for those cases do we duplicate or advocate for some handling of that in the cross-project specs repo | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i know its target so far has been specs that touch *everything* tho | 14:41 |
| aveiga | sgordon: advocate linking to it from the backlog item | 14:41 |
| adrian-hoban_ | But a user submitting it may not be able to fill in some of the more detailed sections such as Data Model Impact. Perhaps it would be ok to have blank sections and ask for dev support in filling those in... That could help address the problem statement driving this discussion | 14:41 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban_, i want to raise that bit on list actually | 14:42 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban_, i dont really see how that is appropriate for the stated intent of a backlog spec | 14:42 |
| aveiga | +1 | 14:43 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban_, unless it's meant to be optional | 14:43 |
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| sgordon | but that isnt made clear currently | 14:43 |
| ybabenko | so who will lead this effort | 14:43 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: is it you who can push for the move? | 14:43 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to provide feedback on nova backlog spec template on list | 14:43 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | sgordon: aveiga: What I meant was that if our existing use case repo goes away, and we want to drive a Nova related change, we could start submitting a nova backlog spec and ask in the nova dev community for help in completing that spec | 14:44 |
| adrian-hoban_ | From the backlog spec page: "These specifications have the problem description completed, but all other sections are optional" | 14:45 |
| sgordon | ah right | 14:46 |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:46 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to update workflow draft to see how it would look leveraging backlog specs/rfes | 14:47 |
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| sgordon | it would also be great if a lucky volunteer could identify one of the existing use cases to try this out with | 14:47 |
| sgordon | crickets.. ;) | 14:50 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:50 |
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| sgordon | #topic other business | 14:51 |
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| sgordon | that was the main thing i wanted to discuss | 14:51 |
| sgordon | so let me reframe the workflow doc and see how we feel | 14:51 |
| sgordon | on a different tangent | 14:51 |
| adrian-hoban_ | I'm after reviewing all of the use cases that are listed. The BGP VPN use case (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171680/) might be a good candiate for RFE, and the Affinity gap from the virtual IMS use case (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179142/) could be good for the backlog... | 14:51 |
| sgordon | i am traveling next week during the meeting | 14:51 |
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| sgordon | #info The BGP VPN use case (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171680/) might be a good candiate for RFE, and the Affinity gap from the virtual IMS use case (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179142/) could be good for the backlog | 14:52 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: I suggest to go for placement zones as this is a straigforward use-case | 14:52 |
| sgordon | ybabenko, do you think you might be able to frame a backlog spec around this? | 14:52 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: should be possible | 14:53 |
| adrian-hoban_ | ybabenko: +1 | 14:53 |
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| DaSchab | +1 | 14:53 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: frankly, I have no idea what baclog spec is | 14:53 |
| mkoderer | ybabenko: :) no worries | 14:53 |
| ybabenko | sgordon: but can try my best if you give me some support | 14:53 |
| adrian-hoban_ | ybabenko: Check this link out: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/ | 14:54 |
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| sgordon | ybabenko, you are the perfect guinea pig then! | 14:54 |
| ybabenko | adrian-hoban_: thx | 14:54 |
| sgordon | the idea is actually supposed to be that someone shouldnt need to understand nova process too much to submit one | 14:54 |
| sgordon | so if that's not the case then we can suggest changes | 14:55 |
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| sgordon | any takers to run next week's meeting? | 14:56 |
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| sgordon | ok i will follow up on m/l | 14:59 |
| sgordon | thanks all, we are at the time limit :) | 14:59 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 14:59:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-29-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| adrian-hoban_ | Thanks | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-29-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-07-29-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
| DaSchab | thx | 14:59 |
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| DaSchab | bye | 14:59 |
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| Sukhdev_ | Hello | 16:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
| scheuran | hi | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | lets get started… | 16:02 |
| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 16:02:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:02 |
| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_July_29.2C_2015 | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | Is there anything anyone wants to add to the agenda today? | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | All I have is that liberty-2 is this week, and liberty-3 is the end of August | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Any other anouncements? | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #topic ML2 late-cycle plan | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Neutron_ML2_Mid-Cycle_Sprint | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Thanks to everyone who has added their availability to the etherpad! | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Looks like the best week to do this in San Jose would be 10/5 - 10/9 | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | In yesterday’s neutron IRC meeting, there did seem to be some concern about too many mid-cycles, too much travel, … | 16:06 |
| * Sukhdev_ looking | 16:06 | |
| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: also the later part of the week of 9/8 | 16:08 |
| rkukura | I’m looking at this sprint as an unofficial feature design/protyping sprint, since this is targetted at mitaka and there is no approved RFE/BP yet | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: I think 10/5 week is the best | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev_: That week could work, but for myself, and potentially anyone else traveling to the west coast, it would be more efficient to do this on a full week. | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: agree - lets go with 10/5 | 16:09 |
| rkukura | Is it too close to the Tokyo trip the end of that month? | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev_ | Or - if you prefer we can do it after summit - sometime in November/December - the code is going into Mitaka (did I say it right) anyway | 16:10 |
| rkukura | I think this is most valuable if done before the summit, so we have something very concrete to socialize there | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: In that case 10/5 or later part of the week of 9/8 | 16:11 |
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| rkukura | Lets go with 10/5, since nobody seems to have any issues with that week. | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev_ | sounds fine to me | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | I’d like to plan on at least 2 days with a 3rd optional if needed, so should we start Monday or Tuesday? | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev_ | I am OK any day of the week - the tradition for other mid-cycles is Wed - Fri :-) | 16:14 |
| rkukura | We’ll figure out who is hosting and exactly which days, then send an email to openstack-dev inviting anyone interested in participating to attend. | 16:14 |
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| rkukura | Weds-Fri could work for me | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev_ | banix: you've been quite - come join us in SJ for this event | 16:15 |
| rkukura | I have not seen any real discussion of other projects to include, so I’m thinking the focus will be on the async | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | banix: It would be great if you could, and we could try to arrange a hangout or webex if anyone wants to try to participate remotely. | 16:16 |
| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: asouma and shivharis keep saying they will be ready with physical topology discussion - but, I have not seen anything | 16:16 |
| banix | Sukhdev_: hi; I am sorry I have been out for a few weeks busy dealing with other work | 16:16 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev_: I don’t see asomya or shivharis here - we can put them on the agenda for next week | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | anything else on the mid/late/pre-cycle feature sprint? | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev_ | yes - agree | 16:17 |
| banix | Sukhdev_: I won’t be able to join in person but will make every attempt to join remotely if that option available | 16:17 |
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| rkukura | banix: OK | 16:18 |
| rkukura | #topic L2 Modular Agent discussion | 16:18 |
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| rkukura | This also relates to the next topic, the macvtap agent | 16:20 |
| scheuran | ok, then this is the time for me to jump in | 16:21 |
| scheuran | We're planning for a ml2 driver and agent to support macvtap guest attachments (independent from sriov) | 16:21 |
| scheuran | The big question is, where such code should land... | 16:21 |
| rkukura | scheuran: thanks | 16:21 |
| scheuran | I was disucussing this today with sc68cal and we agreed to bring it up in this round again. | 16:21 |
| scheuran | basically we have the following options | 16:21 |
| scheuran | 1) own openstack repo networking-macvtap | 16:22 |
| scheuran | 2) in neutron tree as new reference, own agent | 16:22 |
| scheuran | 3) In neutron tree, Integrated into linuxbridge agent (reusing about 500 lines of code, mostly main loop, detecting new devices,...) | 16:22 |
| scheuran | 4) modular l2 agent, but as long it is being discussed go with #1 | 16:22 |
| scheuran | 5) Prototyping modular layer 2 agent | 16:22 |
| scheuran | I just wanted to gather some feedback what you think | 16:22 |
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| scheuran | integrating it into linuxbridge sounds promissing, as a lot of code could be reused | 16:23 |
| scheuran | (main loop, mechanism of detecting devices,....) | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev_ | I like 5) from the long term point of view - what do you think banix? | 16:23 |
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| rkukura | scheuran: Long term, is there reason to have both linuxbridge and macvtap L2 agents? | 16:23 |
| scheuran | yes | 16:24 |
| scheuran | so there would be a config option to run the linuxbridge agent either in macvtap or in linuxbridge mode (default) | 16:24 |
| scheuran | the reason for this is simply sharing code | 16:24 |
| scheuran | nothing else | 16:24 |
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| rkukura | What is the reason for supporting both modes? | 16:25 |
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| sc68cal | scheuran: I don't think it needs to be a mode | 16:25 |
| sc68cal | I'd rather see it as an interface driver | 16:25 |
| rkukura | sc68cal: Do you mean an interface driver within a moduler L2 agent? | 16:25 |
| sc68cal | rkukura: yeah - I have no proof to back things up but I think that's the easiest way to increase code re-use | 16:26 |
| scheuran | yes, kind of an interface driver | 16:26 |
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| banix | what is an interface driver? | 16:26 |
| scheuran | common would be the main loop and this detecting new devices and keeping its state mechanism | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Could OVS be supported by an interface driver as well, or is it “more different”? | 16:27 |
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| scheuran | sc68cal, I guess an interface driver is nothing that does already exist, right? | 16:27 |
| sc68cal | scheuran: the only thing we have that is sort of like it- is these classes https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/agent/linux/interface.py | 16:28 |
| scheuran | sc68cal, It's just a "concept" that you're proposing | 16:28 |
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| sc68cal | scheuran: yes, currently it's just a concept | 16:28 |
| rkukura | There are interface drivers for other agents such as DHCP, L3, and *aaS to plug their interfaces, but these are the other side of the interface than is being proposed here I think. | 16:28 |
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| sc68cal | rkukura: correct - the idea is take the parts of all the agents that is common, like the RPC loop and bookeeping, and split it away from the part that handles the actual network wiring | 16:29 |
| rkukura | That link is the one I’m talking about being the “other side” | 16:29 |
| sc68cal | rkukura: agreed | 16:29 |
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| rkukura | So similar pattern, but not that code | 16:30 |
| sc68cal | rkukura: yes - exactly | 16:30 |
| scheuran | So that would mean the linxubridge driver becomes a more generic driver | 16:31 |
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| scheuran | which also offers some plugin mechanisms to either support linxubridge or macvtap or some other in the future | 16:31 |
| rkukura | Lets not confuse the two sides of the “interface” - one is for L3, DHCP, …, to plug into, the other is for the L2 agent to handle being plugged into. | 16:31 |
| rkukura | I do think L3, DHCP, … should use a generic interface driver, similar to nova’s, that acts based on the binding:vif_type and binding:vif_details set by the bound mechanism driver. | 16:32 |
| rkukura | But I don’t think that is relevant within the L2 agent itself. | 16:33 |
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| scheuran | maybe a more general question: Do you think such an integration (however it looks) like would be something to shoot for? | 16:33 |
| rkukura | Is our goal to get to a single moduler L2 agent, with drivers for LB, OVS, macvtap, …? | 16:33 |
| scheuran | or would a separate repo with a separate agent be an alternative? | 16:34 |
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| scheuran | in the macvtap case | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev_ | scheuran: separate repo gives you quick solution - and you are free to do what ever you want - but, I like option 5 for the long term point of view | 16:35 |
| sc68cal | rkukura: My goal is to reduce the copy & paste I've seen in some of the agents - like the macvtap and the intel dpdk | 16:35 |
| rkukura | If we have good reasons to support OVS, LB, and macvtap long term, I’d really prefer to see these as drivers within a modular L2 agent than see three separate agents duplicating code, possibly across different repos | 16:35 |
| sc68cal | which are copy&pastes of the LB and OVS agent, respectively | 16:35 |
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| scheuran | Sukhdev_, but that could go hand in hand, right? | 16:35 |
| Sukhdev_ | scheuran: correct | 16:36 |
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| Sukhdev_ | scheuran: banix was looking into the modular L2 agent - he would have great insight into this | 16:36 |
| scheuran | just was wondering how evolved this concept already is... | 16:36 |
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| scheuran | or what's the reason for moving it out from release to release? | 16:37 |
| scheuran | just priorities? | 16:37 |
| scheuran | or design not finished? | 16:37 |
| rkukura | When we started ML2, the concept wasn’t really very evolved - we just wanted to be able to plugin ToR drivers and reduce code duplication. | 16:37 |
| rkukura | Until recently, we only had to L2 agents to worry about, now we are looking at 4 or 5, right? | 16:38 |
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| rkukura | s/to/two/ | 16:38 |
| scheuran | yes, that's true | 16:39 |
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| Sukhdev_ | scheuran: for the reason rkukura mentioned, we have been looking into Modular L2 agent | 16:39 |
| scheuran | I don't want to use all of your time for this discussion. Can we come to a direction in a few minute (does not need to be a decision) | 16:40 |
| scheuran | or just sorting options that are a no-go? | 16:40 |
| rkukura | So would option 5 be a way to get there during mitaka - implementing it for macvtap but designing it to be able to handle LB, OVS, … as well? | 16:40 |
| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: +1 | 16:41 |
| scheuran | rkukura, That could be the goal - if it works we'll see. It would at least be a prototype and help learning things | 16:41 |
| sc68cal | I think that's probably the most productive way to go about it - at least when we start writing it we'll have a concrete consumer of it | 16:41 |
| rkukura | scheuran: Are you targeting liberty or mitaka for macvtap? | 16:41 |
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| scheuran | rkukura, the goal is liberty | 16:42 |
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| scheuran | rkukura, (of course :) | 16:42 |
| rkukura | OK, so could this be done in a way that would allow the others to be supported via drivers during mitaka? | 16:42 |
| scheuran | rkukura, that would mean, that modular agent must be ready in liberty, right? | 16:43 |
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| rkukura | Then we could do a similar migration strategy to what we did with ML2 - ship both the modular an legacy L2 agents in mitaka, and remove the legacy ones in N | 16:43 |
| Sukhdev_ | and, that strategy worked well - | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev_ | I am sure we can make that work here as well | 16:44 |
| scheuran | sure. Of course it depends on how advanced the concept of the ml2-agent is | 16:44 |
| Sukhdev_ | scheuran sc68cal: banix has done a lot of leg work on the modular L2 agent stuff - you may want to reach out to him. | 16:45 |
| scheuran | Sukhdev_, sure, I will | 16:45 |
| rkukura | scheuran: I’m suggesting calling it a modular agent, but only supporting macvtap initially (via a minimal driver interface that does what you need), and using this as the starting point for the mitaka modular agent work | 16:45 |
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| scheuran | rkukura, sounds good | 16:46 |
| scheuran | Let me talk to banix and we can have a come back next week | 16:46 |
| rkukura | scheuran: If that becomes the plan, I’d think putting the code in the same repo with ML2 would make most sense. | 16:46 |
| banix | yeah looks like supporting the mactv driver could be the begining of the effort for modular agents | 16:46 |
| banix | sure | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev_ | sounds like a solid plan | 16:46 |
| scheuran | cause I have not yet an overview what it means implementing this agent... | 16:46 |
| scheuran | rkukura, meaning neutron in tree? | 16:47 |
| rkukura | scheuran: right, until the reference implementation stuff gets moved, and this would move with it | 16:47 |
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| scheuran | rkukura, alternative would be in a separate repo to get started quickly and then integrate it as soon it is matured | 16:48 |
| sc68cal | I'd like to say I'm also doing a spike to see what parts of the OVS and LB agents overlap and see if I can get them to share code | 16:48 |
| rkukura | either could work | 16:48 |
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| sc68cal | right now I'm just looking at the agent RPC layer for port and network updates | 16:48 |
| sc68cal | no sgs | 16:48 |
| rkukura | But ML2 benefited initially from having all the drivers in the same tree with the framework when it was evolving rapidly | 16:48 |
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| rkukura | So I think this would need to be in the same tree as ML2 before the work to intergate OVS and LB support began | 16:49 |
| scheuran | rkukura, sure my concern was more about getting reviews and so on | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev_ | scheuran: starting with a separate repo with the intent to implement as a modular agent will be perfect goal - in fact, we can move other L2 agents to this repo as well - | 16:49 |
| Sukhdev_ | scheuran: we have been considering moving L2 agents out of neutron tree into separate repo - so, this may be great first step in that direction | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev_: Is there a concrete plan to move ML2 and the current agents to a different repo during liberty? | 16:50 |
| rkukura | If so, starting this modular agent there would make sense if practical. | 16:50 |
| scheuran | oh, will ml2 also move out? | 16:50 |
| scheuran | I thought it was more about drivers and agents... | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: we discussed about this in the neutron mid-cycle in Fort Collins - but, did not really follow through | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev_: I’m not sure what the current plan is for moving ML2. Maybe its been decided that it stays with neutron. | 16:51 |
| rkukura | we should move on | 16:52 |
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| scheuran | sure, thanks for your time! | 16:52 |
| rkukura | scheuran: Can you put together a proposed plan for this? | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: there is no concrete plan about this - it was brought up for discussion - which means, there is a desire for it….however, this idea of having a separate repo for all L2 agents could be the first step in that direction | 16:52 |
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| scheuran | Sure. I'll come back to you next week | 16:52 |
| rkukura | I don’t mean necessary for the full modular L2 agent effort, just to get your work unblocked with a view towards this | 16:53 |
| rkukura | great - thanks! | 16:53 |
| scheuran | rkukura, ok thanks! | 16:53 |
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| rkukura | we’ll skip physical topology since neither asomya nor shivharis is here | 16:53 |
| rkukura | #topic Task Flow Document | 16:54 |
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| rkukura | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aSgTVB7nW_v7lHH0Z0DUgfymEsx0O16k1Jgu7QFXkFA/edit?usp=sharing | 16:54 |
| rkukura | Not sure we need to discuss this today, but want to get people working on this towards the 10/5 sprint we discussed earliuer | 16:54 |
| rkukura | anything else on this? | 16:54 |
| rkukura | #topic Open Discussion | 16:55 |
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| rkukura | Soneone added a couple patches to review in this section of the agenda - want to discuss these? | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev_ | I reviewed two of these - did not get a chance to get to the third one - it is basically clean up | 16:56 |
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| Sukhdev_ | I got the email with the name of the person yesterday, but, not remembering the name now - sorry | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev_ | rkukura: time check - | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Anything else today? | 17:00 |
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| rkukura | Thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
| banix | bye | 17:01 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| Sukhdev_ | bye | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 17:01:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-29-16.02.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-29-16.02.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-07-29-16.02.log.html | 17:01 |
| yamamoto | bye | 17:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | Kiall: ? | 17:05 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 17:05:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:05 |
| Kiall | lol - I started it in the wrong meeting... | 17:05 |
| Kiall | meeting room* | 17:05 |
| mugsie | -_- | 17:05 |
| timsim | woops | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Hey folks - Who's about? | 17:06 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | hi! | 17:06 |
| timsim | o? | 17:06 |
| mimi | o/ | 17:06 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:06 | |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1478487 | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1478487 in Designate "Cannot filter on pools." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Keisuke Yamamoto (keisuk-yamamoto) | 17:06 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1478487 in designate "Cannot filter on pools." [Undecided,New] | 17:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1478487 in designate "Cannot filter on pools." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478487 | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | high, l3 | 17:07 |
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| timsim | I wonder if this is different now that 'reject invalid filters landed' | 17:07 |
| timsim | Still should be enabled | 17:07 |
| * ducttape_ gives a late o/ | 17:07 | |
| Kiall | Yea, I think it's unrelated | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: ++ - we should land that | 17:08 |
| Kiall | should be easy for the basic attributes | 17:08 |
| timsim | That's it. pglass or mimi can file a bug for wildcard records soon | 17:08 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:08 |
| Kiall | K | 17:09 |
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| pglass | I'll do that now... | 17:09 |
| Kiall | high + l3 for once it's filed ';) | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | While we're on the topic of bugs.. | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | CVE-2015-5694 and CVE-2015-5695 were made public yesterday | 17:10 |
| Kiall | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1471161 has the details | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471161 in designate (Ubuntu) "Designate mDNS DoS through incorrect handling of large RecordSets" [Undecided,New] | 17:10 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1471161 in designate/kilo "Designate mDNS DoS through incorrect handling of large RecordSets" [Critical,Fix committed] | 17:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1471161 in designate/kilo "Designate mDNS DoS through incorrect handling of large RecordSets" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471161 | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:10 | |
| Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/406286/ | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | Take a min, have a look at what needs backporting, and nominate em | 17:11 |
| Kiall | 92d5423 Fixed timeout variable scope issues <-- Yep | 17:11 |
| Kiall | d2d340c Fixes designate-manage tld's command by passing the correct params <-- Yep | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Anyone see any others? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | 8b393ae Merge "Fixup v2 API Validation" | 17:12 |
| timsim | Did this happen? 8b393ae Merge "Fixup v2 API Validation" ? Did t | 17:12 |
| timsim | I don't wee it... | 17:12 |
| Kiall | mugsie: I thought that already went back? | 17:12 |
| timsim | s/wee/see :P | 17:13 |
| mugsie | eh | 17:13 |
| Kiall | If not .. ++ | 17:13 |
| pglass | (a bug for the wildcard record issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1479459) | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479459 in Designate "Creating wildcard records fails in v2" [Undecided,New] | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1479459 in designate "Creating wildcard records fails in v2" [Undecided,New] | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1479459 in designate "Creating wildcard records fails in v2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479459 | 17:13 |
| Kiall | ^ is going to get old, fast. | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #action kiall to BP 92d5423 and d2d340c | 17:13 |
| Kiall | #action mugsie to BP 8b393ae | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | mugsie: ok with that? | 17:13 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Any others? | 17:13 |
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| Kiall | pglass: thanks | 17:14 |
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| timsim | I think that's it. | 17:14 |
| Kiall | OK .. | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | #topic OpenStack Tokyo talks, vote! (timsim) | 17:15 |
| Kiall | over to you timsim ;) | 17:15 |
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| mugsie | theres a docker + designate talk just for elarson :) | 17:15 |
| timsim | By my count there are about 8 Designate talks proposed at https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/ so I just wanted to remind folks to go vote :) | 17:16 |
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| timsim | And tell their friends | 17:16 |
| timsim | He'd be very excited | 17:16 |
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| mugsie | now, just need emacs somewhere .... | 17:16 |
| Kiall | lol - I'm sure all my non-techie friends would be excited ;) | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | please don't forget to vote for https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/vote-for-speakers/presentation/4289 | 17:16 |
| elarson | mugsie: perfect! | 17:16 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: straight to the point - I like it ;) | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 17:17 |
| * elarson has been trying to build designate containers via packer + chef today | 17:17 | |
| Kiall | elarson: there's a talk/workshop for that ;) | 17:17 |
| * elarson makes a note to go vote today | 17:17 | |
| Kiall | Okay - Anything else on this? | 17:18 |
| timsim | Deadline is Friday! | 17:18 |
| timsim | That's it Kiall :) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | Okay - First up .. Libery 2 released today :) | 17:18 |
| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/liberty-2 | 17:18 |
| Kiall | You'll notice theres now 2 downloads - designate, and designate-dashboard | 17:18 |
| mugsie | \o/ | 17:18 |
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| timsim | Nice! | 17:19 |
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| ducttape_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1462428 would be a great bug to see progress on for us | 17:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462428 in Designate "project _memeber_ type users cannot read their quotas" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pradeep Kumar Singh (pradeep-singh-u) | 17:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1462428 in designate "project _memeber_ type users cannot read their quotas" [High,In progress] | 17:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1462428 in designate "project _memeber_ type users cannot read their quotas" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1462428 | 17:19 |
| Kiall | both will be released togeter, and tracked in the designate LP | 17:19 |
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| ducttape_ | whoah, easy there bot | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | ducttape_: the bots are fighting with each other | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | someone added a second bot | 17:19 |
| ducttape_ | can we bet on who will win? | 17:19 |
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| Kiall | re 1462428 - I'll look at the review again, If I remember right this was the "is_admin" thing holding it up | 17:20 |
| Kiall | (also - /limits gives your quotas too..) | 17:20 |
| ducttape_ | ahh, perhaps limits will be a better call. thanks | 17:21 |
| Kiall | It'll unblock anyway! | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Okay - Anyone else have anything? | 17:22 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: I want to update the progress on the Neutron side. Excellent progress with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200952/ | 17:22 |
| Kiall | mlavalle: heh, how did I forget to ask for your update ;) | 17:22 |
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| mlavalle | all the CRUD operations are functional now. I created this gist where you can see a POST port with dns_name: https://gist.github.com/miguellavalle/6327f01c8422bb8039ef | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Let me add a specific item on the agenda so I don't forget again. | 17:23 |
| mlavalle | at the end you can see also the dnsmasq files. They are getting updated properly | 17:23 |
| Kiall | excellent :) | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | mlavalle: cool | 17:24 |
| mugsie | looks great | 17:24 |
| mlavalle | and this is an example of an erronous request (du to ivalid domain name): https://gist.github.com/miguellavalle/bf2254c5ea7861656135 | 17:24 |
| Kiall | and the DHCP leases, That's not something I throught you were adding.. but great! It makes things cleaner :) | 17:24 |
| mlavalle | the failures in jenkins are only unit tests related to dnsmasq, which is to expect. I'll fix thos today and tomorrow | 17:25 |
| Kiall | COol, Q on that failure case example | 17:25 |
| Kiall | Once external-dns BP is hooked in, migueldomain and zones you own in Designate will work? Just double checking I didn't miss something in the spec :D | 17:25 |
| mlavalle | so i think by Friday i'll just be responding to reviews and coding the external side | 17:25 |
| mlavalle | Kiall: you are correct | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | mlavalle: excellent :) | 17:26 |
| mlavalle | that's all i have today :-) | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Okay - thanks for the update mlavalle, Its great to see progress on this after like.. years of it coming up and never happening. Much appreciate it! | 17:27 |
| mugsie | ++ | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Okay, anyone else have anything off-agenda? | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | timsim: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185641/ would unblock pksingh's pk34 stuff I believe | 17:28 |
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| Kiall | And - since it's all silence, I'll take that as "no other business". Have a good day folks :) | 17:28 |
| mlavalle | bye! | 17:28 |
| timsim | Kiall: cool | 17:29 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:29 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 17:29:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-29-17.05.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-29-17.05.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-07-29-17.05.log.html | 17:29 |
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| cp16net | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 18:00:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
| sushilkm | o/ | 18:01 |
| cp16net | o/ | 18:01 |
| ashleighfarnham | \o/ | 18:01 |
| atomic77 | O/ | 18:01 |
| mvandijk_ | 0/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | so slicknik is out for the rest of the week so i'll be running | 18:02 |
| cp16net | meeting agenda at | 18:02 |
| cp16net | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:02 |
| cp16net | have a few topics to cover | 18:02 |
| peterstac | o/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:03 |
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| cp16net | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:03 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:04 |
| cp16net | looks like the reviews are down a little but still steady | 18:04 |
| cp16net | any questions on this? | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | #topic voting for Tokyo Summit presentations (cp16net) | 18:06 |
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| sushilkm | reviews look steady but very few merges | 18:06 |
| cp16net | we have quite a few presentations proposed for the tokyo summit | 18:07 |
| cp16net | i think i listed them all on the meeting page | 18:07 |
| cp16net | get out the vote for the ones you would like to see | 18:08 |
| cp16net | there are about 12 that i found | 18:08 |
| * vkmc adding Table for Two: Trove and a Guest by abramley, vkmc and pmackinn to the list | 18:08 | |
| vkmc | :) | 18:08 |
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| cp16net | vkmc: nice | 18:09 |
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| cp16net | the search seemed a bit difficult so i might have missed some | 18:09 |
| cp16net | any other comments? | 18:10 |
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| vkmc | oh yes, there are so many great proposals about Trove :) | 18:10 |
| cp16net | for sure! looking forward to them | 18:11 |
| cp16net | alright moving on | 18:11 |
| cp16net | #topic Datastore registration spec open questions (cp16net) | 18:11 |
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| cp16net | so there was a discussion in the channel between _amrith_ slicknik sushilkm and cp16net about this | 18:12 |
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| cp16net | so there was conflict on how we should structure the mgmt api to include updating the datastore and versions | 18:13 |
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| cp16net | in the meeting notes i put my thoughts | 18:14 |
| cp16net | and slicknik added his thoughts sine he wont be here to talk about it | 18:14 |
| cp16net | _amrith_: around? | 18:14 |
| vkmc | cp16net, remember when the first discussion took place? | 18:15 |
| vkmc | so I look for the logs | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | sushilkm: do you remember? | 18:16 |
| cp16net | i think it was mon or fri of this last week? | 18:16 |
| vkmc | no hurries, I can look for those after the meeting | 18:16 |
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| vkmc | have been away last week, seems there has been a lot going on :D | 18:17 |
| sushilkm | it was 22-Jul night | 18:17 |
| vkmc | thanks sushilkm | 18:17 |
| cp16net | so the current proposal was to simplify the api as slicknik suggested | 18:17 |
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| cp16net | where the api will handle the logic of creating a new datastore if it doesnt already exist and create the version | 18:18 |
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| sushilkm | if someone wants to view logs of discussion, please refer http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-trove/%23openstack-trove.2015-07-23.log.html | 18:18 |
| vkmc | sushilkm++ | 18:19 |
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| sushilkm | I am in consent/favor of 3rd and 4th point from SlickNik | 18:19 |
| cp16net | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-trove/%23openstack-trove.2015-07-23.log.html | 18:20 |
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| sushilkm | even cp16net's 2nd point seems good | 18:20 |
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| sushilkm | the comments are listed on meeting agenda from cp16net and SlickNik | 18:21 |
| cp16net | _amrith_: mentioned to make the api adhere to the database models on the backend | 18:21 |
| vkmc | unless the datastore-version endpoint has way too many operations, I'd lean towards having an unified API | 18:22 |
| cp16net | and be simple crud operations | 18:22 |
| vkmc | so we keep things simple | 18:22 |
| cp16net | after lots of thought on this i'm think there needs to be a simplified way to update the version info | 18:23 |
| sushilkm | the difference is just double, if we keep go with datastore-version-only API the number of APIs needed to be added gets half | 18:24 |
| cp16net | *usually* we update the image id | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | not much else needs updating from the datastore or version | 18:24 |
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| vkmc | we should leave the comments here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188072/19 | 18:27 |
| cp16net | i dont think making the client thicker to manage multiple calls is a good solution | 18:27 |
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| edmondk | I am trying to get caught up are we basically saying either we have the datastore and version as one POST together vs. having the datastore and version as separate resources? | 18:28 |
| cp16net | vkmc: thats a good idea since the other partys are not here to talk about this. | 18:28 |
| cp16net | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188072 | 18:29 |
| vkmc | :) | 18:29 |
| cp16net | edmondk: essentially yes that is the highlevel debate | 18:29 |
| sushilkm | edmondk, there would be one POST for datastore-version, and while creating datastore-version it wud check if datastore does not exists same would be created | 18:30 |
| edmondk | I would think having them together makes more sense because they will always be coupled together | 18:30 |
| sushilkm | also suggested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188072/19//COMMIT_MSG | 18:30 |
| vkmc | edmondk++ | 18:30 |
| vkmc | feels more natural IMO | 18:30 |
| vkmc | although I'd like to hear the counter arguments to that | 18:30 |
| cp16net | yeah same here vkmc | 18:31 |
| cp16net | that night we were talking about it i was inbetween if it was a good idea or not | 18:31 |
| edmondk | I would think the payload would be like datastore : { type: mysql, version: 5.5 } | 18:31 |
| edmondk | you would always put them together | 18:31 |
| edmondk | then you can do PUT { type: mysql, version: 5.6 } | 18:32 |
| cp16net | one side of me said i wanted it together | 18:32 |
| edmondk | to update version | 18:32 |
| cp16net | the other side said its not really restful | 18:32 |
| edmondk | why is it not RESTful? | 18:32 |
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| edmondk | we have a resource datastore | 18:33 |
| cp16net | because its not repersenting the data underneath | 18:33 |
| edmondk | which has a type and a version coupled together | 18:33 |
| vkmc | having it separately may be error prone as well... if you forgot to update one of them | 18:33 |
| cp16net | yeah it leads to what we have today in the manage cmd | 18:33 |
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| cp16net | the workflow of add datastore | 18:34 |
| cp16net | add version | 18:34 |
| cp16net | update datastore version default | 18:34 |
| sushilkm | the current implementation needs to executed 3 calls to register an image-id | 18:35 |
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| edmondk | that is odd | 18:36 |
| cp16net | ok lets put these ideas into the review | 18:36 |
| cp16net | shall we move on? | 18:37 |
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| vkmc | yeah its not very straightforward, I always assumed there was a reason behind it heh | 18:37 |
| cp16net | #action cp16net vkmc sushilkm edmondk add comments to the datastore registration spec review | 18:38 |
| vkmc | yeah, let's keep with this in the reviews for that spec | 18:38 |
| cp16net | :-) | 18:38 |
| cp16net | #topic Open discussion | 18:38 |
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| cp16net | anything for open discussion? | 18:39 |
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| cp16net | liberty-2 was cut yesterday 7/28 | 18:39 |
| cp16net | #link https://launchpad.net/trove/liberty/liberty-2 | 18:40 |
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| vkmc | I was going to ask about it :) | 18:40 |
| vkmc | cooooooool | 18:40 |
| cp16net | yeah there are some good patches that got in | 18:41 |
| cp16net | so in a months time is liberty-3 | 18:41 |
| cp16net | and 1 week of that nothing much will get done since we are at the midcycle | 18:41 |
| cp16net | speaking of midcycle | 18:41 |
| cp16net | Please register for the mid-cycle sprint here (if you haven't done so already): https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-liberty-tickets-17600134476 | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | alright anything else? | 18:42 |
| cp16net | quiet around here today... | 18:43 |
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| cp16net | alright everyone have a great day | 18:44 |
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| cp16net | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 18:44:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-29-18.00.html | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-29-18.00.txt | 18:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-07-29-18.00.log.html | 18:44 |
| cp16net | thx | 18:44 |
| vkmc | thanks cp16net, you too! | 18:44 |
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| sushilkm | thanks everyone | 18:46 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 29 20:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| blogan | hi | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| Sherif | hi | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
| minwang2 | hi | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy, folks! | 20:00 |
| bana_k | hi | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:00 |
| ajmiller | hi | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| fnaval | hi | 20:00 |
| xgerman | GSLB | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg58991.html | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| madhu_ak | hi | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/GSLB_project_name_vote | 20:01 |
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| sballe | o/ | 20:01 |
| xgerman | and congratulate johnsom a new GSLB core!! | 20:01 |
| bharath_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:01 |
| minwang2 | +1 | 20:01 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:01 |
| madhu_ak | +1 | 20:01 |
| Sherif | +1 | 20:01 |
| johnsom__ | Thanks! | 20:02 |
| blogan | congrats breh! | 20:02 |
| fnaval | grats! | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | they are looking for drivers, aka people who help shape the servcie | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | V2 Panels | 20:03 |
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| blogan | can they call them puppet masters instead? so not to confuse with actual vendor drivers? | 20:03 |
| sballe | lol | 20:03 |
| xgerman | lol | 20:03 |
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| sbalukoff | Hah! | 20:03 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206757 | 20:04 |
| xgerman | dougwig got us a horizon-lbaas repo | 20:04 |
| xgerman | and the OpenStack UX team some place to collaborate one esigns | 20:04 |
| xgerman | #link https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/main#/projects | 20:04 |
| * blogan applauds | 20:05 | |
| xgerman | to get accounts you need to talk to the people in the UX channel? | 20:05 |
| sballe | ool | 20:05 |
| sballe | cool | 20:05 |
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| xgerman | since the OpenStack UX PTL is from HP I went a different route ;-) | 20:05 |
| blogan | aren't all PTLs from HP now? | 20:06 |
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| sballe | yeah soon HP == OpenStack ;-) and a little RAX | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | Liberty Schedule | 20:07 |
| blogan | little ole rax, the little cloud that could | 20:07 |
| xgerman | #link : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 20:07 |
| johnsom__ | Hahaha, little.... | 20:07 |
| xgerman | mestery said that they are cutting L2 today or tomorrow | 20:08 |
| blogan | yeah if neutron-lbaas didn't throw a wrench in it | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Oooh! | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | I smell an opportunity. XD | 20:08 |
| blogan | its already been done | 20:08 |
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| sbalukoff | Sonofa... | 20:08 |
| xgerman | so dougwig is being pulled off the boat right now? | 20:09 |
| sballe | or out of the water. He is suppose to be fly fishing | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | What's this? | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Oh! Ok. | 20:09 |
| xgerman | any more announcements? | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:11 |
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| sbalukoff | Progress on the Neutron-LBaaS L7 stuff.... Just a few more things to do there (some of which is waiting on Evgeny) | 20:12 |
| johnsom__ | I did some benchmarking work on mysql using the repo module and found satisfactory performance. I am now looking at the REST driver and getting it's networking up to date. Plus lots of reviews to keep things rolling | 20:12 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: have you tested it out yet? it doesn't actually allow sharing pools right now right? | 20:12 |
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| sbalukoff | It's been mentioned that the docs for this need updating. I have a review to update the L7 spec in neutron-specs. I also know the wiki needs updating. Were there any other places people wanted to see docs getting updated? | 20:12 |
| crc32 | I did some benchmarking with redis and it was great. But I checked in the MySQL solution instead. | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: You are correct. That's one of the things that needs fixing. :) | 20:13 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: i think we need a devref at some point in tree, but thats out of your work's scope | 20:13 |
| sballe | I have been looking at integration with anchor and trying to increase my number of reviews | 20:13 |
| blogan | johnsom__: good to know | 20:13 |
| rm_work | sballe: did you have a CR for any preliminary anchor work? | 20:13 |
| johnsom__ | 0.001806563186646 seconds per amphora @ 5000 updates under memory engine on a VMware devstack | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom__: When you say "satisfactory performance," what do you mean? Can you please share meaningful numbers? | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Hah! Ok. | 20:14 |
| minwang2 | I did the health manager service part, almos done of my part | 20:14 |
| sballe | I have been looking at what xgerman did in the rest driver | 20:14 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom__: What does that equate to in updates/sec? | 20:14 |
| Sherif | I have been working on the amphora flows and got the task flow working | 20:15 |
| sballe | rm_work: Does that anser your question? | 20:15 |
| blogan | johnsom__: does that mean you did 1000 inserts per second? | 20:15 |
| rm_work | sballe: so no CR yet? kk | 20:15 |
| blogan | sorry updates | 20:15 |
| bharath_ | I included the diskclean up part in the housekeeping.. Half way through writing unit tests for house keeping. I have been busy with other internal stuff | 20:15 |
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| xgerman | rm_work do you think we need one? | 20:15 |
| rm_work | err | 20:15 |
| rm_work | i mean, you'll want an Anchor implementation for CertGenerator | 20:15 |
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| rm_work | so yes? | 20:15 |
| crc32 | I get simular results when I use the repo.replace method instead of session.merge | 20:15 |
| Sherif | a bug reported on taskflow for conditional flow at https://bugs.launchpad.net/taskflow/+bug/1479466 | 20:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479466 in taskflow "The needs to treat subflows as standalone entity" [Undecided,New] | 20:15 |
| * TrevorV feels sheepish... Forgot about the meeting | 20:15 | |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1479466 in taskflow "The needs to treat subflows as standalone entity" [Undecided,New] | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1479466 in taskflow "The needs to treat subflows as standalone entity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479466 | 20:15 |
| rm_work | how else would you use anchor? | 20:15 |
| sballe | rm_work: xgerman Let's sync-up after the meeting as a side bar | 20:16 |
| rm_work | k | 20:16 |
| blogan | tahts a lot of bots reporting | 20:16 |
| xgerman | yeah | 20:16 |
| madhu_ak | here are my updates | 20:16 |
| Sherif | A workaround on conditional flow is implemented in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206252/ | 20:16 |
| madhu_ak | 1. After debugging the jenkins failures, scenario tests are passing in jenkins. Proposed a new patch at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207196/. once the experimental job gives +1, it is goog to go i think | 20:16 |
| madhu_ak | 2. Session persistence scenario test - Found some bugs and the details can be found in my comments at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205626/ | 20:16 |
| madhu_ak | 3. ipv6 scenario tests: Has anybody worked on creating ipv6 lb and tested them before? I need some details to clarify in respect to send the requests to ipv6 lb for validation | 20:17 |
| crc32 | speaking of. Whats wrong with sonar? | 20:17 |
| madhu_ak | 4. TLS Scenario tests: Rebased https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164828/ and its in WIP | 20:17 |
| xgerman | johnsome | 20:17 |
| xgerman | johnsom? | 20:17 |
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| xgerman | we will look into that later today | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | I think we lost him. | 20:18 |
| xgerman | yeah, he was celebrating his new core-dom | 20:18 |
| madhu_ak | no, here is it: johnsom__ | 20:18 |
| blogan | he must have been running his mysql tests :) | 20:18 |
| madhu_ak | it is* | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:18 |
| johnsom__ | sbalukoff 553.78.... amphora updates per second | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | crc32: What numbers did y'all need? | 20:19 |
| johnsom__ | blogan updates, inserts are slower, but our common case is updates | 20:19 |
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| blogan | johnsom__: yeah i didnt mean inserts, those are a one time thing really | 20:19 |
| crc32 | I get around 1000 amp heartbeats per second but anything abover that and the Queue starts to grow | 20:20 |
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| johnsom__ | Yeah, sorry, I am remote today, so network challenged | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | crc32: Ok, my question was more about: "What numbers does RAX actually need here?" With an eye toward: "Is looking into something other than MySQL actually a premature optimization?" | 20:21 |
| blogan | i think we can get into the numbers later in the agenda for this | 20:21 |
| blogan | unless we just knock it out now | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Sorry, if you want to hit it later that's fine. Just seemed apropos since it was a progress update. :) | 20:22 |
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| xgerman | #topic Mysql and Redis storage for heartbeat data | 20:22 |
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| johnsom__ | I think we all agree that Redis is end game, but good enough with mysql should work for now. Ideally we would like to be able to use either. | 20:22 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: it is, we will definitely need to go the redis route later witht eh density we expect | 20:22 |
| xgerman | just switched agenda items :-) | 20:22 |
| crc32 | its not a premature optimization and were planning on interfacing it out so we can use redis. but for now MySQL is what were going with. | 20:22 |
| blogan | johnsom__: yes agreed, coudl be another interface or just a conditional based on config values, but redis will eventually be used | 20:22 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think we have sufficient abstraction with the mixin | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | Ok! | 20:23 |
| blogan | btu using mysql for now will be fine, doing a redis implementation will be trivial i believe | 20:23 |
| johnsom__ | Personally I don't want to burn time getting a Redis setup for us under devstack. My eye is on the Liberty goal | 20:23 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:23 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | Seems legit. | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 20:23 |
| xgerman | I think reds would be more an operator thing | 20:23 |
| minwang2 | +1 | 20:23 |
| Sherif | +! | 20:23 |
| Sherif | +1 | 20:23 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff kght be contractually required to use DB2 | 20:23 |
| johnsom__ | DB2 hahaha | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | I want to get L7 in before the liberty cut-off. :D | 20:24 |
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| sballe | lol | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | We'll see if that happens. | 20:24 |
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| sballe | somebody should give sbalukoff an IBM hat :-) | 20:24 |
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| blogan | well time was burned on a sonar job too, just saying :) | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Working on that driver now. | 20:24 |
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| xgerman | cool | 20:25 |
| johnsom__ | blogan yeah... xgerman to comment? | 20:25 |
| johnsom__ | It's a handy tool actually. I like it for reviews. | 20:25 |
| xgerman | +!00 | 20:25 |
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| blogan | when it works | 20:25 |
| xgerman | +100 | 20:25 |
| xgerman | well, it runs on HP Cloud | 20:25 |
| johnsom__ | BTW, I will address the questions raised over lunch in open discussion | 20:25 |
| blogan | i wasn't saying it wasn't handy btw | 20:26 |
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| xgerman | #decision use mysql for devstack; operators can pick different backend for prod | 20:26 |
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| blogan | anyway we're all in agreement on mysql first, then redis whenever its needed | 20:27 |
| sballe | sounds good | 20:27 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Yup. | 20:27 |
| Sherif | +1 | 20:27 |
| minwang2 | +2 | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | -2 (cuz I don't actually have that power) | 20:27 |
| xgerman | #topic Octavia reference implementation in Liberty | 20:27 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-neutron-octavia | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | so I think we need to descope | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | Wow, lots to do there! | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | bana_k: If you're looking for something... ;) | 20:29 |
| xgerman | yeah, and feature freeze is 8/31 | 20:29 |
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| blogan | so much to do, so little time | 20:29 |
| sballe | :-) | 20:29 |
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| blogan | need to get the octavia driver in good shape | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | Indeed! | 20:30 |
| bana_k | def but needs some help though | 20:30 |
| xgerman | no worries we are here to help :-) | 20:30 |
| Sherif | So at end of liberty means Oct? right ? | 20:30 |
| bana_k | :) | 20:31 |
| blogan | Sherif: sep 1-3 | 20:31 |
| xgerman | Sherif, feature freeze is 8/31 | 20:31 |
| blogan | err what xgerman said | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | If it's not in before feature freeze, it doesn't get in. Only bugfixes after that until release. | 20:31 |
| xgerman | yep + they have gotten pretty strict about that | 20:31 |
| Sherif | Ok | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | You weren't planning on taking a vacation this summer, right? ;) | 20:32 |
| blogan | dougwig apparently was | 20:32 |
| xgerman | Sherif is an intern he has like two more months :-) | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | Slacker. | 20:32 |
| xgerman | +! | 20:32 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:32 |
| blogan | interns are an expendable resource | 20:32 |
| blogan | work them to the bone | 20:32 |
| Sherif | Third summer in a row without a vacations | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | In case you actually do read the minutes afterward: We love you, dougwig! | 20:32 |
| Sherif | misconception: intern == infinite energy :) | 20:32 |
| xgerman | well, breaking the build just before vacation — hmmh | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: that's how he shows he loves us! | 20:33 |
| blogan | infinite energy only if consumed | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | Redbull? Works for dougwig | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | so let’s think that through is there stuff we can descope? | 20:34 |
| Sherif | @blogan better managed than school session though. | 20:34 |
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| sballe | xgerman: any suggestions? | 20:34 |
| Sherif | xgerman I have no idea . Sept - 12 is my last day | 20:34 |
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| xgerman | Minimum performance/scalability testing? | 20:35 |
| xgerman | that can go :-) | 20:35 |
| Sherif | I will fight fire with fire to get it done though | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | Wow, there's a lot of stuff on that list that isn't expendible. :P | 20:35 |
| blogan | well i'd be fine with tempest tests just being in neutron-lbaas | 20:36 |
| blogan | for now, its what the current namespace driver has | 20:36 |
| xgerman | same here | 20:36 |
| johnsom__ | +1 | 20:36 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | documentation we might be able to add after deadline | 20:36 |
| blogan | performance/scalability testing? | 20:36 |
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| sballe | I think it is premature so thta could go to | 20:37 |
| blogan | same | 20:37 |
| xgerman | +! | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | Right. The existing ref. impl. doesn't do any of that. | 20:37 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | So we shouldn't have to to replace it. | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 20:37 |
| xgerman | well, the thinking was we shouldn’t be slower | 20:37 |
| johnsom__ | I think we have to have a gate setup, I don't think we can get out of that | 20:37 |
| xgerman | so hence we need to measure :-) | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | How do you measure "slower" if you don't have any metrics to start from? ;) | 20:37 |
| blogan | johnsom__: yes we need that | 20:37 |
| sballe | :-) | 20:37 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff agreed - let’s kill it | 20:38 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: if its slower than infinite, then its better | 20:38 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | johnsom +1 | 20:38 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:38 |
| blogan | i actually dont see that much to do | 20:38 |
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| blogan | just some decisions that are already made | 20:39 |
| blogan | like just removing namespace driver | 20:39 |
| blogan | or at least pulling it out of tree | 20:39 |
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| blogan | do need to talk to packagers | 20:39 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:39 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Will have it done by 4:30pm? | 20:40 |
| blogan | i will have a nap done, yes | 20:40 |
| xgerman | well, I think we need something working first? | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | after all Octavia only works with some major handholding | 20:40 |
| blogan | okay so then lets get a more precise list down | 20:40 |
| blogan | modify that etherpad? | 20:40 |
| xgerman | cool with me | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Yes, usability is a concern. | 20:41 |
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| sbalukoff | People trying to write code for the project have trouble figuring it out... so how can we expect to replace the reference driver if it's that much harder to get it going? | 20:42 |
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| sbalukoff | At least, we need "how to get started" documentation that works most of the time. :) | 20:42 |
| sballe | +1 | 20:42 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:42 |
| johnsom__ | +1 | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | But better defaults is probably a good idea. | 20:42 |
| blogan | osmosis | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | (just sayin') | 20:43 |
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| johnsom__ | sbalukoff Feel free to check in some different defaults. | 20:43 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom__: Oh, I will. XD | 20:43 |
| xgerman | but test them first :-) | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | I'm not blaming anyone here, yo-- I think y'all have made awesome progress! | 20:44 |
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| blogan | L7 in octavia is going to be just as much a pain as neutron-lbaas, needs pool sharing | 20:45 |
| xgerman | yeah | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | Yes. Working on it. | 20:46 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: working on it in octavia as well? | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | The code will end up being very similar. | 20:46 |
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| sbalukoff | Not in Octavia yet. | 20:46 |
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| xgerman | ok, I think we have sort of a list now on the etherpad | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | I wanted to get it going for the current ref. impl. first. But if I get stuck or delayed there, I might just reverse that and do it in Octavia first. | 20:46 |
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| sbalukoff | Opinions on this? should I do the Octavia work first? | 20:47 |
| xgerman | +! | 20:47 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:47 |
| rm_work | WTB Single-Call Create | 20:47 |
| xgerman | de-scoped? | 20:47 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: Too expensive for you! | 20:47 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:47 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: i'd feel better if namespace driver had it as a backup plan | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 20:47 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: sucks to basically redo code though | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | Well, and I'm also still working on getting roadmap docs updated. Haven't had as much time for that as I would have liked. | 20:48 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: sucks even more to know the code may just be ripped out | 20:48 |
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| xgerman | nah, we will burn it | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yep, but there's no way around it until we replace that reference implementation. | 20:48 |
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| blogan | xgerman wants to watch the world burn | 20:48 |
| xgerman | :-) | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Hah! I've got lighter fluid, if you've got a match. | 20:48 |
| xgerman | next time I am in Seattle... | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | Seriously we should do a BBQ or something the next time y'all are in town. | 20:49 |
| sbalukoff | I could deep fry a turkey or two... | 20:49 |
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| blogan | seattle bbq? is that like seaweed wrapped salmon? | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Well, "grilling" | 20:50 |
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| rm_work | heh | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Around here we just call it all BBQ. I suspect to rub you Texans the wrong way. | 20:50 |
| johnsom__ | blogan hey, don't dis it until you try it | 20:50 |
| rm_work | well, I'm up next month :P | 20:50 |
| rm_work | for the ... 4th time this year | 20:50 |
| xgerman | fun! | 20:50 |
| rm_work | at least I am finally getting frequent flier miles properly | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Anyway... back on topic. | 20:50 |
| blogan | johnsom__: i tried it in pieces and it was delicious | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | I'm not seeing much else on this list that doesn't seem "essential." | 20:51 |
| blogan | rm_work you should just move there, get out of texas! | 20:51 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:51 |
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| rm_work | i wouldn't mind | 20:51 |
| xgerman | RAX northwest office? | 20:51 |
| blogan | should we get volunteers for these? | 20:51 |
| blogan | L7 is obviously sbalukoff | 20:51 |
| blogan | TLS is obviously ptoohill/pothole | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:51 |
| xgerman | Yep | 20:51 |
| blogan | I can work with doug on the octavia driver | 20:51 |
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| TrevorV | Can't offend me with the BBQ talk... I don't even care for BBQ like Texans like it. | 20:51 |
| blogan | heartbeats/failover is in progress | 20:52 |
| xgerman | sounds good | 20:52 |
| crc32 | I just want to go some where were its not 100 degrees. | 20:52 |
| rm_work | i'll ... continue doing thorough reviews :P | 20:52 |
| TrevorV | Except when pothole makes hot dogs on the grill outside... hell yeah | 20:52 |
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| rm_work | and making blogan sad | 20:52 |
| pothole | :P | 20:52 |
| rm_work | hopefully back on real code next month >_> | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Fight the good fight! | 20:53 |
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| blogan | who wants evil documetnation? | 20:53 |
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| xgerman | do I need to volunteer people? | 20:54 |
| xgerman | voluntell | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | Question: Does documentation need to be in before the code freeze? | 20:54 |
| sbalukoff | It's not a new "feature" ;) | 20:54 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think we can do that after | 20:54 |
| xgerman | also bana_k didn’t pick something up yet | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Well, I likes me some docs. | 20:55 |
| sbalukoff | Yep: bana_k: Anything on that etherpad strike your fancy? | 20:55 |
| xgerman | and he still needs to get his car towed, too | 20:55 |
| bana_k | I dont know what to picK :) | 20:55 |
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| TrevorV | I can do the documentations stuffs, but it'll involve lots of talking to peeps I'm sure | 20:55 |
| xgerman | towage can tell you all about our initiation ritual | 20:55 |
| blogan | bana_k got his car towed? | 20:55 |
| xgerman | towgan | 20:55 |
| xgerman | not yet | 20:56 |
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| sbalukoff | bana_k: If you want to help me with the L7 stuff, I know that'd be appreciated. | 20:56 |
| bana_k | Yes def :) | 20:56 |
| blogan | isn't TrevorV helping out on the L7 stuff | 20:57 |
| TrevorV | Also by documentation is that just spec-style docs, or prettification of startup stuffs and whatnot to get people rolling? | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | Also, everyone's code is going to need to be reviewed as we write this stuff. | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: The latter, mostly. | 20:57 |
| sbalukoff | Specs are important, and we can back-fill them if the code is already written. But we're not going to be able to replace the reference implementation if nobody can figure out how to get Octavia working | 20:58 |
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| TrevorV | Alright, well, I can do the prettification stuffs too, just wondering what the idea was | 20:58 |
| TrevorV | I made quite a few of our CLB 1.0 docs initially at Rax anyway | 20:58 |
| TrevorV | So I can figure it out :D | 20:59 |
| madhu_ak | I can pick one if you still needs people to play around with octavia stuffs after I am done with scenario tests | 20:59 |
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| blogan | should these docs be in the wiki or done as specs? | 20:59 |
| xgerman | there was a third place | 20:59 |
| xgerman | sc68cal? | 20:59 |
| blogan | oh devref | 20:59 |
| xgerman | network docs or so | 20:59 |
| blogan | which we should kind of do | 21:00 |
| xgerman | devref, yep | 21:00 |
| blogan | ok devref | 21:00 |
| blogan | would be good to get that going as well | 21:00 |
| xgerman | well, times out | 21:00 |
| blogan | TrevorV: look at neutron's devref | 21:00 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | I have no idea what devref is. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| blogan | johnsom__: had something to discuss | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | But Ok. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 29 21:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-29-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-29-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-07-29-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| crc32 | meething over. Don't forget to review | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, thanks guys! | 21:00 |
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| blogan | adios | 21:00 |
| xgerman | Thanks | 21:00 |
| bana_k | bbye ! | 21:01 |
| crc32 | https://review.openstack.org/201882 <-- all ready for review | 21:01 |
| Sherif | bye | 21:01 |
| minwang2 | this is part can be put with my code now? | 21:01 |
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| minwang2 | crc32 | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | crc32: Thanks, eh! | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | D'oh! | 21:01 |
| sbalukoff | Back to our channel. | 21:01 |
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| xgerman | no worries we figured out debrief on our own :-) | 21:21 |
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