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sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:03 |
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openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 14:03:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:03 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:03 |
sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:04 |
sgordon | #topic roll call o/ | 14:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call o/ (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:04 | |
cloudon | hi | 14:04 |
alraddarla | hello | 14:04 |
adrian-hoban | Hello | 14:04 |
srwilkers | hello | 14:04 |
sgordon | #topic action item review | 14:05 |
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sgordon | we had a few action items from last week... | 14:05 |
sgordon | #info sgordon was to email product work group to confirm process for updating existing proposals with mid-cycle changes (sgordon, 14:13:13) | 14:05 |
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sgordon | this did not actually happened, but based on the following AIs it seems we worked it out... ;) | 14:06 |
sgordon | #info sgordon followed this process to move complex instance placement submission | 14:06 |
sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/290459 | 14:06 |
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sgordon | #info cloudon followed this process to move vIMS submission | 14:06 |
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sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/290347 | 14:07 |
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sgordon | #info sgordon followed this process to move security segregation submission | 14:07 |
sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/290462 | 14:07 |
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cloudon | I also did the vSBC one | 14:08 |
cloudon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290060/ | 14:08 |
sgordon | ah nice one | 14:08 |
sgordon | #chair cloudon | 14:08 |
openstack | Current chairs: cloudon sgordon | 14:08 |
sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290060/ | 14:08 |
cloudon | from what I could see the main differences in the template (Aside from re-odering) was the removal of the gaps section? | 14:09 |
sgordon | #info vSBC also submitted ^ | 14:09 |
sgordon | cloudon, yes it does appear that way | 14:09 |
sgordon | the process diagram has also been updated | 14:10 |
sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 14:10 |
sgordon | i believe what they have done is move gap analysis to the cross project team... | 14:10 |
sgordon | i still think it would be nice to have somewhere to record already identified gaps | 14:10 |
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cloudon | Agreed - seems a shame to lose that | 14:11 |
cloudon | Am I right that the "cross project spec" and "user story tracker" both start out as "none" then get asigned some way into the process? | 14:12 |
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sgordon | cloudon, yes | 14:12 |
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sgordon | cloudon, the tracker i think is still wip | 14:13 |
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sgordon | ok | 14:14 |
sgordon | so we will wait and see what the review feedback says but it looked to me like we had done what was expected | 14:15 |
sgordon | #topic OPNFV and OpenStack Collaboration BoF | 14:15 |
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sgordon | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7510 | 14:15 |
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cloudon | All feedback/discussion is via gerrit review? | 14:15 |
sgordon | yes that is the intent | 14:15 |
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sgordon | ok | 14:17 |
sgordon | i wanted to highlight the above linked event from the openstack summit austin schedule | 14:17 |
sgordon | just for visibility | 14:18 |
cloudon | Is that summit link correct? Can't get to it | 14:18 |
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sgordon | seems to work here | 14:18 |
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sgordon | O.o | 14:18 |
cloudon | Ah - works in IE, not Chrome - some security violation | 14:18 |
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sgordon | weird | 14:19 |
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sgordon | anyway, it's a thing :) | 14:19 |
sgordon | i did not request a wg specific space for this summit instead figuring it would make sense to collaborate with the opnfv folks | 14:20 |
cloudon | Yup, looks useful | 14:20 |
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cloudon | will the PWG be doing anything related to submitted stories? | 14:20 |
sgordon | i believe they were aiming for a working session on the friday | 14:21 |
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sgordon | let me check i am not sure if that would end up on this schedule or the design summit one | 14:21 |
sgordon | not listed yet | 14:21 |
sgordon | that was certainly the ask though | 14:22 |
cloudon | ok, ta | 14:22 |
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sgordon | #topic next week | 14:23 |
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sgordon | im going to be MIA during next week's meeting time | 14:23 |
sgordon | not sure if folks want to try keep the slot or skip | 14:23 |
sgordon | i will also be away earlier in the week and miss the product wg meeting unfortunately | 14:23 |
cloudon | I'm happy to skip but will try to make the PWG this time | 14:24 |
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sgordon | excellent, thanks for that | 14:24 |
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sgordon | ideally now that our submissions are up to date i think it makes sense to move more of the convo to the product wg | 14:25 |
sgordon | i think we now have them all in their repo? | 14:25 |
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sgordon | (or submitted against it at least) | 14:25 |
cloudon | yes, think so | 14:25 |
sgordon | #topic open discussion | 14:26 |
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sgordon | anything else folks want to raise | 14:26 |
sgordon | cloudon, adrian-hoban, alraddarla srwilkers ^ | 14:27 |
sgordon | ? | 14:27 |
cloudon | nope, I'm done | 14:27 |
alraddarla | Nope, I'm good. Thanks! | 14:27 |
srwilkers | nope :) | 14:27 |
adrian-hoban | I haven't been able to attend for a while. Great to see the progress getting into the product-wg | 14:28 |
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sgordon | getting there :) | 14:29 |
sgordon | ok | 14:30 |
sgordon | i will send an email about cancelling next week | 14:30 |
sgordon | thanks all for your time | 14:30 |
cloudon | thanks | 14:30 |
sgordon | ! | 14:30 |
sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 14:30:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-03-09-14.03.html | 14:30 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-03-09-14.03.txt | 14:30 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2016/telcowg.2016-03-09-14.03.log.html | 14:30 |
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srwilkers | thanks | 14:30 |
srwilkers | take care | 14:30 |
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Sukhdev | Folks time for ML2 meeting | 16:00 |
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yamamoto | hi | 16:00 |
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Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 16:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:00 |
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Sukhdev | yamamoto : hi | 16:00 |
Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_March_9.2C_2016 | 16:01 |
Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:01 |
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Sukhdev | rkukura is off today | 16:01 |
Sukhdev | who is here to attend the meeting? | 16:01 |
Sukhdev | I was hoping yalie will attend today - had some questions for him | 16:02 |
Sukhdev | yamamoto: it seems like it is just you and me today | 16:02 |
yamamoto | yea | 16:03 |
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Sukhdev | Do you have anything specific to discuss | 16:03 |
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yamamoto | nothing | 16:04 |
Sukhdev | since it is just two of us - we can go with customized agenda :-) | 16:04 |
Sukhdev | yamamoto : I have a question for you - | 16:04 |
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Sukhdev | have you implemented or are familiar with Security Groups in ML2? | 16:04 |
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Sukhdev | #topic: Open Agenda | 16:05 |
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yamamoto | my coworker implemented SG for ml2/midonet. | 16:05 |
yamamoto | so i'm kinda familiar with it. | 16:06 |
Sukhdev | I see - so, let me ask you couple of questions related to it | 16:06 |
yamamoto | sure | 16:06 |
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Sukhdev | when one creates security groups (defines security rules, etc) and then launches an instance, sec groups is passed as a parameter to port create request in ML2 | 16:08 |
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Sukhdev | ML2 driver can then act on those and implement the back-end | 16:08 |
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Sukhdev | however, when the instance(s) are already running and a security group is modified | 16:09 |
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Sukhdev | In order to modify the security policy on the instance, ML2 driver has to register for the callbacks | 16:10 |
yamamoto | yes | 16:10 |
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Sukhdev | so, in the callback, when a notification comes for the sec group change, ML2 has to figure out which ports are impacted or the impacted ports are in the notification? | 16:12 |
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yamamoto | a driver need to figure out affected ports by itself. | 16:13 |
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Sukhdev | that is what I thought, but, wanted to check - | 16:14 |
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yamamoto | in case of midonet, the driver just pass-through and the backend maintains the association. | 16:14 |
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Sukhdev | can you point me to where in midonet are callbacks processed? | 16:15 |
yamamoto | driver? or backend? | 16:16 |
Sukhdev | Also are the sec groups stored somewhere in the ML2 tables in DB | 16:16 |
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Sukhdev | driver | 16:16 |
Sukhdev | may be backend as well - if available | 16:16 |
yamamoto | https://github.com/openstack/networking-midonet/blob/master/midonet/neutron/ml2/sg_callback.py | 16:17 |
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yamamoto | backend: https://github.com/midonet/midonet/blob/master/midonet-cluster/src/main/scala/org/midonet/cluster/services/c3po/translators/SecurityGroupRuleTranslator.scala | 16:18 |
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Sukhdev | got it - thanks | 16:18 |
yamamoto | and this https://github.com/midonet/midonet/blob/master/midonet-cluster/src/main/scala/org/midonet/cluster/services/c3po/translators/SecurityGroupTranslator.scala | 16:18 |
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Sukhdev | in your driver, do you support more than one security group on a given port? | 16:19 |
Sukhdev | or all the security rules related to a port are folded into a single group? | 16:20 |
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yamamoto | what do you mean by folded? | 16:22 |
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Sukhdev | meaning all the sec rules are put into one group | 16:23 |
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yamamoto | it supports multiple groups | 16:25 |
Sukhdev | got it - that is what I guessed from looking at the driver code | 16:25 |
Sukhdev | that answers my question | 16:25 |
Sukhdev | Anybody else has joined the meeting? | 16:26 |
yamamoto | given remote-group-id functionality, i'm not sure how folding into a single group work. | 16:26 |
Sukhdev | yamamoto : it probably will not | 16:27 |
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yamamoto | are you going to implement SG for some driver? | 16:27 |
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Sukhdev | yes | 16:27 |
yamamoto | which driver? just curious | 16:28 |
Sukhdev | Arista ML2 | 16:28 |
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Sukhdev | hence, wanted to see what is out there and pointers :-) | 16:28 |
yamahata | btw, regarding to sg, can you please help to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281693/ ? | 16:29 |
yamamoto | SG is complex to implement. good luck. | 16:29 |
yamamoto | hi yamahata | 16:30 |
yamahata | hi yamamoto | 16:30 |
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Sukhdev | yamahata : welcome | 16:30 |
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yamamoto | Sukhdev: i guess you can ask a question for yalie to yamahata | 16:31 |
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Sukhdev | we were discussing security groups and ML2 | 16:31 |
yamahata | Yeah, I'm closely working with Yalei. | 16:31 |
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Sukhdev | yamahata : I had questions for yalie regarding SG, but, I think yamamoto sort of answered those for me | 16:32 |
yamahata | oh yamamoto knows everything... | 16:32 |
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yamamoto | heh | 16:32 |
Sukhdev | yup | 16:32 |
Sukhdev | yamahata : I may ping you later in the week or next week - if I have more questions | 16:33 |
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yamahata | sure. | 16:33 |
Sukhdev | yamahata : in the mean time, I will review your patch and provide comments | 16:33 |
yamahata | Due to timezone issue, it's difficult for yalei to join this meeting. | 16:33 |
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yamahata | Sukhdev: thanks. | 16:33 |
Sukhdev | which time zone are you guys in? | 16:34 |
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yamahata | yamahata in PST, yalei in china | 16:34 |
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yamamoto | i'm in japan (UTC+9) | 16:35 |
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Sukhdev | Oh I see | 16:35 |
Sukhdev | I am in PST | 16:36 |
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Sukhdev | yamahata : do you have any agenda Item that you want to discuss? | 16:36 |
yamahata | only patch review. | 16:36 |
yamahata | it's done. | 16:37 |
Sukhdev | OK cool | 16:37 |
Sukhdev | I guess in that case we are done | 16:38 |
Sukhdev | Thanks for attending the meeting | 16:38 |
yamamoto | thank you | 16:38 |
yamahata | thanks | 16:38 |
Sukhdev | bye | 16:39 |
Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 16:39:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-03-09-16.00.html | 16:39 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-03-09-16.00.txt | 16:39 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2016/networking_ml2.2016-03-09-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
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yamahata | bye | 16:39 |
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federico3 | o/ ? | 16:55 |
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mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 17:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:00 |
mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
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Kiall | o/ | 17:00 |
timsim | o/ | 17:00 |
pglbutt | o/ | 17:00 |
federico3 | o/ | 17:00 |
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mugsie | courtesy ping: Kiall federico3 ekarlso- timsim sonuk elarson pglbutt | 17:01 |
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federico3 | courtesy pong | 17:01 |
Kiall | ICMP Prohibited ;) | 17:01 |
mugsie | #topic Action Items | 17:01 |
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mugsie | mugsie to look at bug/1546437 | 17:01 |
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elarson | o/ | 17:02 |
mlavalle | o/ | 17:02 |
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mugsie | done | 17:02 |
mugsie | mugsie sent core nominiation to the -ml | 17:02 |
mugsie | done | 17:02 |
mugsie | mugsie bp 24c957b | 17:02 |
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mugsie | #action mugsie bp 24c957b | 17:02 |
mugsie | elarson to bp b89a05e Ensure the zone records quota is enforced | 17:02 |
mugsie | done - i think? | 17:03 |
elarson | done! | 17:03 |
mugsie | mugsie / someone to give elarson +2 powers | 17:03 |
mugsie | done :) | 17:03 |
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mugsie | all hail elarson - the new +2/-2 holder :) | 17:03 |
rsyed | o/ | 17:03 |
elarson | :) | 17:03 |
mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:03 |
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mugsie | timsim: over to you | 17:03 |
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timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1546437 | 17:04 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1546437 in Designate "Unable to restart the keystone services" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Graham Hayes (grahamhayes) | 17:04 |
timsim | Probably needs a status update | 17:04 |
mugsie | yeah - will do that now | 17:04 |
timsim | cool | 17:05 |
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timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1554130 | 17:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1554130 in Designate "Zone imports are incredibly slow" [Undecided,New] | 17:05 |
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timsim | Seems pretty important to me. | 17:05 |
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mugsie | yeah. | 17:05 |
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mugsie | H - RC1 | 17:06 |
Kiall | Slow sucks, but not it's not exactly a regression.. | 17:06 |
Kiall | but it's not* | 17:06 |
mugsie | i did think it was faster | 17:06 |
timsim | It used to be wayyyy faster | 17:06 |
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Kiall | Did it? Fair enough then! | 17:06 |
elarson | timsim: do we know when it changed? | 17:06 |
timsim | 400-500 record zones were done in seconds. | 17:06 |
timsim | elarson: nope | 17:06 |
elarson | bummer | 17:06 |
timsim | I don't think it was very recent | 17:06 |
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timsim | I'm going to assign to myself | 17:07 |
mugsie | OK. We need to try and track down roughly when it got soo bad | 17:07 |
elarson | sounds like a good reason to learn git bisect :) | 17:07 |
timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1555063 | 17:07 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1555063 in Designate "Delayed deletion of records" [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
mugsie | cool - thanks timsim | 17:07 |
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Kiall | I think this is a bug.. But I've been disagreed with last time I chatted with mugsie about it ;) | 17:07 |
Kiall | V1 API needs to filter out "PENDING DELETE" | 17:08 |
timsim | But what if it doesn't delete? | 17:08 |
mugsie | I do not have that strong feelings about it, but I prefer to show it | 17:08 |
mugsie | if someone deletes a record, then trys to recreate it, they will get a conflict | 17:08 |
Kiall | That's the argument he had :) filter PENDING DELETE, but not ERROR DELETE? | 17:08 |
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timsim | I guess it should go to error/delte eh | 17:08 |
Kiall | It's "reappear" and cause someone to go asking? | 17:08 |
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Kiall | It would* | 17:09 |
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mugsie | I suppose it is along the line of managed records.... | 17:09 |
mugsie | why did we not have a status in the v1 api | 17:09 |
mugsie | -_- | 17:09 |
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timsim | Anyway | 17:10 |
mugsie | we can add the filter if needs be. I just don't like messing with the v1 api at all these days | 17:10 |
Kiall | Because we didn't!.. SO, is it something we can fix by filtering? | 17:10 |
Kiall | If so, H RC1 | 17:10 |
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mugsie | this would then have to be backported to Kilo before we release Mitaka | 17:10 |
timsim | Yeah, it's probably a really small fix. | 17:10 |
mugsie | as Kilo will be EOL'd then | 17:10 |
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mugsie | OK, sure v1 will go bye bye soon, right? :P - Med - RC | 17:11 |
timsim | Alright | 17:11 |
mugsie | and mark it for Liberty + Kilo | 17:11 |
timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1554476 | 17:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1554476 in Designate "Designate CLI - No message on deletion or listing" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Preeti (pandey-preeti1) | 17:12 |
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mugsie | duplicate | 17:12 |
Kiall | I think there's reviews up for that one? | 17:12 |
mugsie | let me dig out the client one | 17:12 |
mugsie | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1323294 | 17:12 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1323294 in python-designateclient "CLI does not give any mesage on successful deletes" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to sonu (sonu-bhumca11) | 17:12 |
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mugsie | mark as duplicate, and link to ^ ? | 17:13 |
Kiall | Yah | 17:13 |
timsim | k | 17:13 |
timsim | That's it :) | 17:13 |
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mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:14 |
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Kiall | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/489885/ | 17:14 |
Kiall | Not that many thius week, I'm wondering if I messed up somehow? lol | 17:14 |
mugsie | bb10715 Merge "Fix for TCP connections not sending full content" | 17:14 |
Kiall | +500 | 17:14 |
federico3 | +infinity | 17:14 |
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elarson | +1 | 17:14 |
mugsie | i can do that today | 17:15 |
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mugsie | #action mugsie backport bb10715 Merge "Fix for TCP connections not sending full content" | 17:15 |
mugsie | #topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring) | 17:15 |
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mugsie | mlavalle: around? | 17:15 |
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mlavalle | mugsie: hi | 17:15 |
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mlavalle | I have continued working on the chapter for the Networking guide | 17:16 |
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mugsie | yeah - just one more +2 needed :) | 17:16 |
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mlavalle | Yesterday we got a +2 from one of the docs core reviewers | 17:16 |
mlavalle | and armax, the Neutron PTL, gave us a +1 | 17:16 |
mlavalle | so it should merge any time now | 17:17 |
mugsie | cool | 17:17 |
mugsie | nearly there :) | 17:17 |
mugsie | any questions? | 17:17 |
mlavalle | Almost there | 17:17 |
Kiall | Cool, Neutron - Check, Nova - Check, Neutron Client - Check, Docs - 90% :) | 17:17 |
mugsie | our intergration with neutron will have better docs than designate itself -_- | 17:18 |
mugsie | :) | 17:18 |
mlavalle | LOL | 17:18 |
mugsie | OK - thanks mlavalle ! | 17:18 |
mlavalle | and btw, our presentation for the summit got approved | 17:18 |
mlavalle | yay! | 17:18 |
Kiall | :) | 17:18 |
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mugsie | #topic sonuk: tempest plugin implementation | 17:18 |
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mugsie | sonuk seems to be afk | 17:19 |
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mugsie | #topic FFEs | 17:19 |
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mugsie | I am looking at what can land before RC | 17:19 |
mugsie | (feature wise) | 17:19 |
mugsie | and I have this list: | 17:19 |
mugsie | Pools (Config + Scheduler) | 17:19 |
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mugsie | ALIAS | 17:19 |
mugsie | Service Status (maybe) | 17:20 |
mugsie | any objections, or additions? | 17:20 |
mugsie | it needs to land this week if it is going to be in Mitaka | 17:20 |
mugsie | elarson: do you think you can get ALIAS in in time? | 17:20 |
timsim | I'm not sure that's enough testing time for alias | 17:20 |
elarson | mugsie: not sure, we're working towards a release and I'm going to have to refactor some tests | 17:21 |
elarson | so it doesn't look like | 17:21 |
elarson | like it* | 17:21 |
mugsie | OK. | 17:21 |
Kiall | .. yea, we have a feature complete deadline in a few hours for our next release too ;) | 17:21 |
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mugsie | so, our FFEs are Pools Additions, + Service Status (maybe) | 17:22 |
mugsie | everyone ok with them? | 17:22 |
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Kiall | yah. | 17:22 |
mugsie | timsim: elarson ? | 17:22 |
* timsim doesn't know what an ffe is, but yeah | 17:22 | |
mugsie | sorry | 17:22 |
timsim | :P | 17:22 |
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mugsie | Feature Freeze Exception | 17:22 |
timsim | Flat Face Excitement | 17:22 |
timsim | ok | 17:22 |
timsim | Sounds like fun! | 17:23 |
mugsie | Feature Freeze was last week for mitaka :) | 17:23 |
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rsyed | would zone import/export support in designate-client be a candidate for FFE? how critical is it | 17:23 |
elarson | +1 | 17:24 |
mugsie | The client is frozen, as we cannot do a release of it right now. | 17:24 |
Kiall | the client has a different release schedule, we can add stuff there anytime we like | 17:24 |
rsyed | gotcha, thanks for the clarification | 17:24 |
mugsie | it will have to wait utill the stable/mitaka branch is cut | 17:24 |
mugsie | and the library freeze is removceed | 17:24 |
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mugsie | but we can cut a new one really quick after that | 17:25 |
rsyed | excellent! | 17:25 |
Kiall | yea, but it doesn't need to wait for the next 6 month release :) | 17:25 |
mugsie | so it will be aroundf the mitaka release data | 17:25 |
mugsie | OK, any other questions? | 17:25 |
mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:25 |
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mugsie | any off agenda items? | 17:26 |
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Kiall | None from me.. | 17:26 |
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timsim | plz review worker model :| | 17:26 |
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Kiall | Sorry, it's been a hellish few weeks for me free time wise! It being a post-Mitaka thing, it's just not got anywhere high enough on my list :( | 17:27 |
mugsie | Yup - once we get the stuff in for mitaka - will be all ove that. | 17:27 |
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mugsie | anything else? | 17:28 |
mugsie | going once | 17:28 |
mugsie | twice | 17:28 |
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mugsie | gone | 17:28 |
Kiall | cya :) | 17:28 |
mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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timsim | o/ | 17:28 |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 17:28:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-03-09-17.00.html | 17:28 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-03-09-17.00.txt | 17:28 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2016/designate.2016-03-09-17.00.log.html | 17:28 |
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amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 18:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:00 |
amrith | reminder for vkmc johnma peterstac slicknik cp16net | 18:00 |
johnma | o/ | 18:01 |
vkmc | o/ | 18:01 |
amrith | Meeting agenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
amrith | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:01 |
peterstac | o/ | 18:01 |
amrith | hello folks | 18:02 |
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amrith | let's wait a couple of minutes and get started | 18:02 |
amrith | peterstac, anyone else from the frozen cold climates joining us today | 18:02 |
atomic77 | /O\\ | 18:02 |
peterstac | yep, just cleared the lunch room | 18:02 |
schang | o/ | 18:03 |
peterstac | s/just/we all just/ | 18:03 |
vgnbkr | o/ | 18:03 |
amrith | vkmc, johnma anyone else joining from your teams? | 18:03 |
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amrith | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:04 |
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amrith | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:04 |
johnma | imandhan will be joining | 18:04 |
imandhan | o/ | 18:04 |
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amrith | thx to dougshelley66 for filling out the paperwork and getting the pretty graph updated. | 18:04 |
amrith | the number of reviews in the week dropped a bit | 18:04 |
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amrith | would be good to get some reviews of the things we want merged in mitaka | 18:05 |
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amrith | there's still a reasonable list of things that we would like to get merged, and there are potentially bugs you'd like to see merged as well. | 18:05 |
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amrith | If you look at the "Other" tab on the google sheet, you'll notice that the number of reviews waiting on reviewer has been going up. | 18:06 |
johnma | will do amrith. | 18:06 |
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amrith | this means (surprise, surprise) we need to get those reviews done ... | 18:06 |
johnma | do we have a starred list for bugs as well | 18:06 |
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amrith | yes we do, it's later in the agenda | 18:07 |
amrith | and the link is | 18:07 |
amrith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:amrith+status:open | 18:07 |
johnma | has the FFE been accepted. not sure what the process is for that | 18:07 |
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peterstac | johnma, the PTL is supposed to do that ... | 18:07 |
amrith | that's a great question. we sent the list out, I'm waiting to hear back. I haven't seen 'acceptances' for any other projects as well. | 18:08 |
johnma | oh ok | 18:08 |
peterstac | I suspect that cp16net is still out of action | 18:08 |
amrith | In cp16net's absence, I'll find out what the process is | 18:08 |
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amrith | and if he is the one who has to send out the acceptances, I'll do that | 18:08 |
johnma | sounds good | 18:08 |
amrith | #action [amrith] figure out who has to send FFE acceptances | 18:08 |
johnma | so amrith, once FFE is accepted how much time do we have to get the remaining features approved | 18:09 |
vkmc | good question johnma | 18:09 |
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amrith | johnma, yes | 18:09 |
amrith | I'm just reading the process | 18:09 |
amrith | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureFreeze | 18:09 |
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pmackinn | o/ | 18:09 |
amrith | in pertinent part, the process seems to be "The PTL, with the assistance of the core developers of the associated product, will evaluate the request and grant or deny the exception. The farther we are in the release cycle, the less likely it is for the exception to be granted. Remember that the next cycle is just a month away :) " | 18:09 |
amrith | So, I guess we're all here (except cp16net) | 18:09 |
peterstac | I believe there's still a hard-cutoff that you have to make | 18:10 |
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amrith | Is there any FFE that any one of you (johnma, vkmc, peterstac) believe should *Not* be granted the FFE exception? | 18:10 |
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peterstac | I think we should do our best to get it all in ;) | 18:10 |
amrith | peterstac, that wasn't the question ... | 18:11 |
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amrith | it says we should evaluate and grant or deny the exception. | 18:11 |
amrith | is there any FFE request that you would like to deny? | 18:11 |
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peterstac | let me restate: I believe all the outstanding FFE requests should be granted | 18:11 |
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amrith | vkmc? | 18:11 |
amrith | johnma? | 18:11 |
johnma | +1 peterstac | 18:11 |
vkmc | how many FFE do we have? and how much time do we have to review? | 18:12 |
amrith | let me get you the list | 18:12 |
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amrith | http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/66t3kgifagphxvdf | 18:13 |
vkmc | I feel confident with the features that has been around for a while and need some manual testing, but not sure if all the FFE's are in the same stage | 18:13 |
vkmc | thx amrith | 18:13 |
johnma | granting FFE and getting them approved are different things, right | 18:13 |
amrith | http://markmail.org/message/yt46gdj7ystburjl | 18:13 |
vkmc | yeah I think so johnma | 18:13 |
amrith | johnma, yes | 18:13 |
amrith | I'm thinking now only about the granting part | 18:13 |
amrith | See above | 18:13 |
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amrith | the process indicates that we have to grant or deny them. | 18:13 |
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amrith | http://markmail.org/message/pwzfxpevnhrsderp | 18:13 |
johnma | ok, makes sense. I think all should be granted | 18:14 |
peterstac | We should probably shoot to get them in by Friday - that's my guess | 18:14 |
amrith | http://markmail.org/message/opbljf72drrkyia2 | 18:14 |
peterstac | they're targeting next week for RC1 | 18:14 |
amrith | #agreed all FFE's requested should be granted | 18:14 |
amrith | Ok, now on to the next question, how long do we have | 18:14 |
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amrith | #topic Announcements | 18:15 |
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vkmc | cool :) | 18:15 |
amrith | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 18:15 |
amrith | We have until RC-1 | 18:15 |
amrith | Mar 14-18 | 18:15 |
peterstac | Yeah, but that includes bug fixes (which we have some as well) | 18:16 |
amrith | In other words, all the code that we want in M release should be in the RC-1 | 18:16 |
amrith | which includes bug fixes and features. | 18:16 |
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amrith | so the answer to your question(s) is that we have till March 14-18 to get these reviews done. | 18:16 |
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amrith | the sooner, the better. | 18:16 |
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johnma | ok, that sounds good. | 18:16 |
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amrith | At this point, the reviews we need by RC-1 are https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:amrith+status:open | 18:17 |
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amrith | Is there other stuff that should be on the list? | 18:18 |
amrith | I've added a couple of things (we'll talk about them later in the meeting). | 18:18 |
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peterstac | Yes, and probably stuff there that doesn't belong ... | 18:18 |
amrith | but, these are the reviews that I think should be done by RC-1 | 18:18 |
amrith | peterstac, what | 18:18 |
johnma | the requirements one | 18:18 |
amrith | which ones? | 18:18 |
peterstac | Yeah, I'm not convinced that Matt R. has grasped the problem entirely (I'm still trying to grock it) | 18:19 |
johnma | well the ones Matt has are for the requirements project. We can review it but not approve them | 18:19 |
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amrith | johnma, they are on the list because they are a package. Let's table that conversation till later | 18:19 |
johnma | ok | 18:19 |
amrith | as stipulated, the 4 things related to requirements and backward compatibility, we'll talk about them. | 18:20 |
amrith | what about the others. | 18:20 |
amrith | are we missing anything? | 18:20 |
amrith | Are there extraneous things? | 18:20 |
peterstac | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290177/ | 18:20 |
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peterstac | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290275/ | 18:21 |
amrith | ok, these are the module management ones | 18:21 |
johnma | I need to open a defect for the db2 install issue | 18:21 |
amrith | which we got FFE's for | 18:21 |
peterstac | still have to fix a py27 issue in the second one - should have that done this afternoon | 18:21 |
dougshelley66 | i assume the starred list should only contain features that have FFEs at this point? | 18:21 |
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amrith | johnma, peterstac please send me the reviews so I can star them. | 18:22 |
amrith | dougshelley66, yes | 18:22 |
johnma | I thought the starred list was the complete list for bugs and features | 18:22 |
amrith | are there things that shouldn't be on there? | 18:22 |
amrith | yes johnma, if there are things that are not there, let me know. | 18:22 |
dougshelley66 | i don't think there is an FFE for https://review.openstack.org/259167 | 18:22 |
amrith | vkmc, is the list complete? | 18:22 |
peterstac | well, I'm not convince the requirements stuff is being handled correctly | 18:23 |
vkmc | amrith, checking out | 18:23 |
amrith | peterstac, yes this is stuff we need to review. | 18:23 |
vkmc | there is no FFE for #259167 | 18:24 |
amrith | johnma, do you have FFE's for all the thing there (CouchDB B&R, DB2 B&R, CouchDB user/db functions, couchDB replication) | 18:24 |
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imandhan | couchdb replication is for newton I believe | 18:24 |
johnma | we are not doing couchdb replication this release amrith. We pushed that to next release | 18:24 |
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johnma | we need to remove that from your list | 18:25 |
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amrith | yes vkmc, I removed the star | 18:25 |
amrith | refresh your screen | 18:25 |
vkmc | amrith, cool, thx | 18:25 |
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amrith | johnma, so https://review.openstack.org/255437 comes off the list | 18:25 |
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amrith | done, please refresh | 18:25 |
johnma | yes Sir | 18:25 |
amrith | :) | 18:26 |
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amrith | TBD's for the bugs that johnma and peterstac will send in | 18:26 |
amrith | as soon as the reviews are in, I'll star them. | 18:26 |
amrith | so the link is https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:amrith+status:open | 18:26 |
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amrith | if we're good with the list, let's move on (we'll get back to the requirements stuff) | 18:27 |
amrith | #topic Summit planning | 18:27 |
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amrith | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-newton-proposed-sessions | 18:27 |
peterstac | amrith, my reviews are in - I included links above | 18:27 |
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amrith | please add sessions you'd like for summit at that etherpad | 18:27 |
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amrith | I requested rooms based on a shortlist we'd made at the mid-cycle | 18:28 |
amrith | peterstac, I've starred your two reviews. | 18:28 |
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peterstac | ok, see them now, thx | 18:28 |
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amrith | Remember to add your name to the sessions (session leader) | 18:29 |
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amrith | ok ... | 18:31 |
amrith | so we can all do that as our homework! | 18:31 |
amrith | #topic Open Discussion | 18:32 |
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amrith | peterstac, ... go ahead | 18:32 |
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amrith | I can give you a synopsis of the requirements issue to start. | 18:32 |
amrith | if you'd like | 18:32 |
amrith | so everyone is caught up on the story so far. | 18:32 |
amrith | ok, here goes. | 18:33 |
amrith | if a person wrote a python client application that used the python-troveclient and used the slave_of parameter to create(), then version 2.1.0 of the client will break the application. | 18:33 |
amrith | this is the 'backwards compatibility' issue that Matt is describing. | 18:34 |
amrith | this email (a part of a long thread) will tell you where we're at now. | 18:34 |
amrith | http://markmail.org/message/njtfjbbryyxfmgna | 18:34 |
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amrith | I believe that the changes being proposed [1] https://review.openstack.org/290048/ [2] https://review.openstack.org/290023/ [3] https://review.openstack.org/290021/ [4] https://review.openstack.org/290168/ | 18:35 |
amrith | are at best incomplete. | 18:35 |
amrith | if we do want to ensure backward compatibility the way Matt is describing, I think we should also back out the API change. | 18:35 |
amrith | I'll let y'all read the email and get caught up. | 18:35 |
amrith | This link (http://markmail.org/message/bm3dwtgec3bz6ewc) was the email I sent this morning | 18:36 |
amrith | the link earlier was Matt's response ... | 18:36 |
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amrith | everyone caught up? | 18:37 |
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amrith | yes ... someone say something ;) | 18:41 |
dougshelley66 | i'm caught up | 18:41 |
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amrith | peterstac, vkmc, johnma, anyone else ... | 18:42 |
amrith | what are your thoughts? | 18:43 |
vkmc | nothing from my side | 18:43 |
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amrith | vkmc, what are your thoughts on this backwards compatibility issue? | 18:43 |
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dougshelley66 | seems like the cleanest way forward is to back out the client and back end changes and blacklist the 2.1.0 client | 18:43 |
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dougshelley66 | which is close to what matt's patches contemplate | 18:43 |
peterstac | I need to do some more research - I did some last night, but I've been focused on getting my stuff up for review | 18:43 |
vkmc | I have to catch up with that, that's why I cannot share my thoughts yet :) | 18:44 |
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amrith | ok, we'll have to wait | 18:44 |
amrith | we need to decide something about this | 18:44 |
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peterstac | If we do revert it, we should make sure that our tests use the correct (i.e. new) interface | 18:46 |
peterstac | I think that was part of the problem - our tests kept using the deprecated APIs | 18:47 |
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amrith | well peterstac ... I asked that in email and Matt specifically said no, since the slave_of is a valid parameter he is still using that. | 18:48 |
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dougshelley66 | i think peterstac is saying that we should change the tests in master | 18:48 |
dougshelley66 | to use "replica_of" | 18:48 |
amrith | they already do | 18:49 |
amrith | they have to because the 2.1.0 client has no slave_of | 18:49 |
amrith | and the tests are in trove repository | 18:49 |
dougshelley66 | right but if we revert the back end change it will put the test code back to? | 18:49 |
amrith | and the clietn is in troveclient ;) | 18:49 |
dougshelley66 | ok | 18:49 |
amrith | dougshelley66, yes, I guess revert* is what I meant. | 18:49 |
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amrith | johnma, any thoughts on this? | 18:50 |
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pmackinn | amrith, so this is actually impacting users, right? as opposed to a technical transgression | 18:50 |
amrith | pmackinn, hmm. | 18:51 |
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amrith | let me see. | 18:51 |
dougshelley66 | pmackinn it was noticed by the tests on stable/liberty | 18:51 |
peterstac | amrith, my point is that as soon as we deprecated 'slave_of' we should have immediately changed the tests to reflect that | 18:51 |
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amrith | to the best of my knowledge, this is a testing discovery. | 18:52 |
peterstac | (should have been done 2 cycles ago) | 18:52 |
amrith | pmackinn, ^^ | 18:52 |
amrith | peterstac, we never did deprecate slave_of the way Matt is doing now | 18:52 |
peterstac | I think if we would have changed our tests way back when, nobody would have noticed this | 18:52 |
amrith | with a warning and all that. | 18:52 |
amrith | peterstac, that's Matt's point, I guess | 18:53 |
peterstac | yeah, that was also a mistake | 18:53 |
amrith | that this test did in fact find something which shouldn't have happened. | 18:53 |
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dougshelley66 | peterstac, you are correct but merely fixing the tests in stable branches isn't appropriate now | 18:53 |
peterstac | sure, but I want to make sure that if we roll back the change that we *don't* roll back the test changes | 18:54 |
amrith | ok, we're getting close to time. I'll look for any input y'all may have either on #openstack-trove or by email. | 18:54 |
peterstac | the tests should be using replica_of, even if slave_of is to be supported again (briefly) | 18:54 |
dougshelley66 | peterstac agreed | 18:55 |
amrith | peterstac, I agree. But not everyone agrees with that point of view. | 18:55 |
amrith | ok, so let's move on. | 18:56 |
amrith | anything else for open discussion in the last 3 minutes | 18:56 |
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amrith | 2 minutes. | 18:58 |
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amrith | ok, going once. | 18:58 |
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amrith | #endmeeting trove | 18:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 18:59:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-03-09-18.00.html | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-03-09-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2016/trove.2016-03-09-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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blogan | hi! | 20:00 |
madhu_ak | right timing! Hi | 20:00 |
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johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
minwang2 | o/ | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 20:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
sbalukoff | Howdy folks! | 20:00 |
johnsom | Hi everyone | 20:00 |
bharathm | Hi o/ | 20:00 |
rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
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markvan | yo | 20:01 |
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bank | hi | 20:01 |
neelashah | o/ | 20:01 |
ajmiller | o/ | 20:01 |
johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
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johnsom | We got at least six LBaaS related talks accepted for Austin! Good job folks! | 20:02 |
sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:02 |
johnsom | I have included the links here: | 20:02 |
johnsom | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda | 20:02 |
johnsom | Really pretty cool from our little corner of OpenStack | 20:03 |
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johnsom | Any other announcements? | 20:03 |
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johnsom | #topic | 20:03 |
johnsom | Mitaka blueprints/rfes/m-3 bugs for neutron-lbaas and octavia | 20:03 |
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johnsom | Ok, so Mitaka is winding to a close. RC1 this week. | 20:04 |
sbalukoff | There are more bugfixes in the Octavia queue that need attention | 20:04 |
sbalukoff | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Mitaka_LBaaS_priority_reviews | 20:04 |
johnsom | We still have ~23 open bugs targeted for Mitaka | 20:04 |
johnsom | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=target-mitaka | 20:04 |
dougwig | related note, this review modifies the governance of lbaas-dashboard to match octavia: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290735/ | 20:05 |
sbalukoff | Handy! | 20:05 |
johnsom | dougwig Yeah, let's talk about that given dashboard is for LBaaSv2..... | 20:05 |
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rm_work | ok sbalukoff i will look today if i can | 20:05 |
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rm_work | maybe laaaaater or maybe nowish | 20:05 |
johnsom | dougwig Can we talk about that during open discussion? | 20:06 |
rm_work | in HAProxy training with bedis :P | 20:06 |
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dougwig | yep | 20:06 |
sbalukoff | rm_work: Sounds good, thanks! | 20:06 |
johnsom | There are a number of bugs still open for TrevorV | 20:06 |
johnsom | Do we know if those are going to get addressed? | 20:07 |
johnsom | All of which are deferred bugs from the merge | 20:07 |
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TrevorV | o/ | 20:07 |
TrevorV | Sorry I'm late | 20:07 |
blogan | what a coincidence! | 20:07 |
johnsom | Speaking of TevorV | 20:07 |
sbalukoff | Speak of the devil! | 20:08 |
blogan | its like someone told him... | 20:08 |
TrevorV | *poof* here I am | 20:08 |
sbalukoff | Haha | 20:08 |
johnsom | TrevorV I was just asking about the deferred bugs that are still open for Mitaka | 20:08 |
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johnsom | Can we get those done today/tomorrow? | 20:08 |
fnaval | o/ | 20:09 |
TrevorV | That should be possible, if we can do a little talk about how shared pools should work | 20:09 |
sbalukoff | TrevorV: Didn't we already have that talk? | 20:09 |
TrevorV | Did we decide? (scattered in the brain ATM) | 20:09 |
sbalukoff | Also, I don't *think* those bugs are dependent on shared-pools support in one-call-create. | 20:09 |
TrevorV | I thought one of them was shared-pools specifically | 20:09 |
sbalukoff | Well, one of them is, yes. | 20:09 |
johnsom | I think they are all missing unit test issues | 20:09 |
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johnsom | https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bugs?field.tag=target-mitaka | 20:10 |
sbalukoff | If you have time to fix the lack of shared-pools support in one-call-create, that would be great. But at this point I doubt you've got the time. | 20:10 |
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johnsom | Other than that, there are a bunch of patches up that have +2, cores please review those so we can get them in | 20:11 |
blogan | sbalukoff: to make it in for Mitaka? | 20:11 |
sbalukoff | blogan: Yes. | 20:11 |
TrevorV | sbalukoff To recap, its utilizing the name as a unique identifier, right? | 20:11 |
TrevorV | As well as adding id-verification | 20:11 |
sbalukoff | TrevorV: No... let's talk after this. | 20:11 |
TrevorV | Alright | 20:11 |
johnsom | The last open bug(s) is around admin_state_up not working. bharathm and I are working on that today. | 20:11 |
johnsom | Also, FYI, the tracking page for FFE and postmortem is here: | 20:12 |
johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/5/specs/mitaka/postmortem/postmortem.rst | 20:12 |
johnsom | I think we have updated all of our sections. | 20:12 |
johnsom | dougwig is there more we need to do there? | 20:13 |
dougwig | i don't think so. | 20:13 |
johnsom | Excellent | 20:13 |
johnsom | #topic Decide on Mitaka octavia release number | 20:13 |
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blogan | 42 | 20:14 |
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johnsom | With our impending Mitaka release we need to decide on our release number. | 20:14 |
neelashah1 | dougwig if dashboard will release with octavia does it need to be added to the ffe list? | 20:14 |
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dougwig | neelashah1: no. | 20:14 |
TrevorV | johnsom actually I don't see the shared-pools bug we talked about. | 20:14 |
rm_work | 9001? | 20:14 |
sbalukoff | Haha | 20:14 |
johnsom | TrevorV So it's not targeted for Mitaka and there is time on that one | 20:14 |
TrevorV | Oh okay | 20:14 |
blogan | what are the release number options? | 20:14 |
TrevorV | got it | 20:14 |
johnsom | We are currently at 0.5 | 20:15 |
johnsom | Do we think we are 1.0 worthy? | 20:15 |
sbalukoff | I'd put at 0.9. | 20:15 |
blogan | hmmm | 20:15 |
johnsom | Or still 0.75-ish? | 20:15 |
fnaval | nope | 20:15 |
TrevorV | Do we have scaling? | 20:15 |
TrevorV | I thought scaling was 1.0 | 20:15 |
rm_work | 0.999a-1 | 20:15 |
dougwig | our earlier 1.0 mvp included some kind of fault tolerance. | 20:15 |
sbalukoff | Yeah... maybe closer to 0.75 | 20:15 |
TrevorV | We have failover? | 20:15 |
sbalukoff | TrevorV: We have failover. | 20:15 |
johnsom | Well, on my roadmap active/active was after 1.0 | 20:15 |
blogan | api is missing features, i'd not be comfortable with it being 1.0 bc of that | 20:15 |
dougwig | if active/standby and ha controllers are good to go... | 20:15 |
rm_work | yeah < 1 | 20:16 |
johnsom | 1.0 was active/standby | 20:16 |
rm_work | maybe .9753 | 20:16 |
johnsom | ish | 20:16 |
rm_work | or are we feeling more 0.8-ish | 20:16 |
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blogan | number shedding? | 20:16 |
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dougwig | good heavens, this is the most hippyish release numbering i've ever seen. | 20:16 |
sbalukoff | HA controllers are not... particularly ready to go. You can do it as long as only one runs at a time. But operators are beholden to "figure that out" right now without documentation. | 20:16 |
TrevorV | bike numbering? | 20:16 |
Apsu | Just don't HA your HA and you're set. | 20:17 |
rm_work | I like 0.75 | 20:17 |
Apsu | Yo dawg | 20:17 |
johnsom | HA controllers as a post 1.0 I think as well. Not sure | 20:17 |
sbalukoff | Haha | 20:17 |
rm_work | next release can be 0.875 | 20:17 |
TrevorV | rm_work you didn' | 20:17 |
TrevorV | you didn't stop**** | 20:17 |
sbalukoff | Man... have to dig out those old roadmaps we put together a loooong time ago. | 20:17 |
sbalukoff | Should probably get those updated. | 20:17 |
dougwig | y'all are gonna vote, i can feel it. | 20:17 |
blogan | .6 | 20:17 |
TrevorV | sbalukoff they're still in tree I think :P | 20:17 |
blogan | just go one up and be sane | 20:17 |
rm_work | then then 0.9375 | 20:17 |
TrevorV | I think 0.5.9 | 20:17 |
fnaval | just use constants, e, c | 20:18 |
sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 20:18 |
rm_work | we can just approach 1 | 20:18 |
johnsom | Ok, so I'm hearing 1.0 is out, so I vote for 0.8 | 20:18 |
rm_work | yeah i think we're more 0.8 than 0.6 | 20:18 |
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sbalukoff | Haha | 20:18 |
sbalukoff | I'm fine with 0.8 | 20:18 |
TrevorV | I'm okay with 0.8, all jokes aside | 20:18 |
blogan | sure .8 | 20:18 |
sbalukoff | Done! | 20:18 |
johnsom | Done | 20:18 |
sbalukoff | No vote necessary | 20:18 |
rm_work | ... that was a vote | 20:19 |
blogan | it fits the requirement of .5 < x < 1.0 | 20:19 |
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sbalukoff | That was a *discussion* | 20:19 |
sbalukoff | We didn't use the voting system. | 20:19 |
johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:19 |
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johnsom | Cores please review patches! | 20:19 |
sbalukoff | Yes, please! | 20:19 |
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fnaval | please review this later today: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172199 | 20:19 |
sbalukoff | I'll jump into that for the patches that aren't mine later today, too. :D | 20:19 |
* dougwig head is spinning. | 20:19 | |
fnaval | i'm going to make 1 change to make it work with the shared pools stuff | 20:19 |
fnaval | then it should be rady | 20:20 |
fnaval | ready | 20:20 |
blogan | I'd like for Newton to start filling in the gaps of the Octavia API to get parity with neutron-lbaas | 20:20 |
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blogan | are we still as a group on board with that? | 20:20 |
sbalukoff | fnaval: Ping me when it's ready. | 20:20 |
fnaval | sbalukoff: sure thanks! | 20:20 |
madhu_ak | dougwig, can you +1 on project-config patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284875/ | 20:20 |
rm_work | what is newton | 20:20 |
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sbalukoff | blogan: Yep. | 20:20 |
blogan | N release | 20:20 |
sbalukoff | So! | 20:20 |
rm_work | did i miss a project starting? :P | 20:20 |
dougwig | madhu_ak: i can take a look at it, i can't promise a particular result. :) | 20:20 |
rm_work | oh we named that already, right | 20:20 |
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rm_work | forgot they did two at once this time | 20:20 |
johnsom | dougwig The topic of dashboard under octavia project. | 20:21 |
sbalukoff | Next week, or whenever the RC is cut and newton is open: We need to have a design discussion around features targeted for Newton. | 20:21 |
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sbalukoff | We could really use feedback on this: | 20:21 |
sbalukoff | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234639/ Add spec for active-active | 20:21 |
TrevorV | I have a question to gauge the group with | 20:21 |
johnsom | That seems, odd. Just temp? | 20:21 |
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TrevorV | So I'm supposed to write up docs for the single create | 20:21 |
sbalukoff | Because I know that IBM will be working hard to make that happen in Newton. | 20:21 |
dougwig | johnsom: really, that's a topic of me considering the "lbaas project" to be octavia, neutron-lbaas, and neutron-lbaas-dashboard. and if we're kicking -dashboard to release indepedent, let's keep it close to octavia. IMO. | 20:21 |
sbalukoff | Especially given I'm apparently signed up for a talk to showcase a proof-of-concept of the same at the Austin summit. XD | 20:22 |
johnsom | sbalukoff Let's focus on getting the Mitaka patches reviewed as we already put active/active out of scope for Mitaka | 20:22 |
dougwig | repeat of review link on that governance change: | 20:22 |
dougwig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290735/ | 20:22 |
TrevorV | Is anyone against me detailing the request in a paragraph and then providing a full example of request/response? | 20:22 |
johnsom | dougwig Ok | 20:22 |
sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:22 |
minwang2 | I am still working on the launchpad ticket —File creation susceptible to TOCTOU type attack(https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1548552) | 20:22 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1548552 in octavia "File creation susceptible to TOCTOU type attack" [High,In progress] - Assigned to min wang (swiftwangster) | 20:22 |
TrevorV | Rather than some massively verbose table of all the elements and such? | 20:22 |
nmagnezi | hello guys :) | 20:22 |
sbalukoff | Oh! | 20:22 |
sbalukoff | For all things docs: | 20:23 |
sbalukoff | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-octavia-docs-needed | 20:23 |
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sbalukoff | I have a call with IBM tech writers tomorrow afternoon. I'm hoping to get help fleshing out our docs. | 20:23 |
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sbalukoff | That's the summary of what I would like to see eventually. | 20:23 |
sbalukoff | Please update that! | 20:23 |
johnsom | Yes, that etherpad for docs is great | 20:23 |
sbalukoff | TrevorV: Please add a note about single-create to that. | 20:23 |
nmagnezi | a question about amphora-agent: i noticed that the agent configures interfaces inside the service vm when it starts. my question is: why? won't it be preferable that the diskimage-create script will pre-configure the interfaces (which are dhcp anyways) when it cooks the image? | 20:24 |
madhu_ak | I created a launchpad ticket for lb's status is in PENDING_UPDATE for about 50-55 mins after creating a listener with TLS no SNI. https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1555316 | 20:24 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1555316 in octavia "loadbalancer status is stuck in PENDING_UPDATE for about 50-55 mins after creating listener with TLS no SNI" [Undecided,New] | 20:24 |
johnsom | nmagnezi No, we hot-plug interfaces | 20:24 |
nmagnezi | johnma, care to elaborate? | 20:25 |
fnaval | madhu_ak: i'll see if I can reproduce | 20:25 |
TrevorV | So no one cares about how I'll write that up? If I follow the current structure of requests, the table will be insane. | 20:25 |
blogan | nmagnezi: we have the option to have a standby pool of prebuilt amps, which are active but are not configured we will not know what networks they need to be hot plugged into upfront | 20:25 |
johnsom | nmagnezi We hot-plug interfaces into the amphora VM, so those interfaces are not necessarily present at boot time. | 20:25 |
sbalukoff | TrevorV: You will need to show a fully-fleshed-out example in your docs somewhere. :/ | 20:25 |
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TrevorV | sbalukoff that's what I'm talking about, I WANT the example, I DON'T want the table | 20:26 |
blogan | nmagnezi: would work great for containers though! since they can't hot plug | 20:26 |
blogan | whenever we get support for that in | 20:26 |
sbalukoff | TrevorV: Then maybe I don't understand what you mean by 'table' | 20:26 |
johnsom | TrevorV yeah, I am having a hard time visualizing as well | 20:26 |
TrevorV | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/octavia/master/doc/source/api/octaviaapi.rst | 20:27 |
nmagnezi | blogan, johnsom, I understand the reasoning now. thanks! the reason i'm asking is because it is configuring the NICs ubuntu style. meaning it sets invalid configuration in Centos/Fedora/RHEL based images | 20:27 |
TrevorV | If you look in there, the sections that are "tables" | 20:27 |
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TrevorV | All the objects of the LB are defined in tables, and then an example is provided | 20:27 |
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TrevorV | I'm talking about just saying "single create uses all the things above in one call, like so:" more or less | 20:28 |
TrevorV | You know, more officially | 20:28 |
TrevorV | But only including an example, and a reference to the other sections | 20:28 |
nmagnezi | blogan, johnsom, the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/octavia/+bug/1548070 . I hope to submit a fix soon, but in general the agent should be aware of the OS it is running on. | 20:28 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1548070 in octavia "Amphora agent fails to start in a Centos based amphora" [Medium,New] | 20:28 |
johnsom | nmagnezi Yes. That could be fixed. If you set the interfaces file name option, it does work with RedHat style systems as it uses the interface file and not the .d directory | 20:28 |
sbalukoff | TrevorV: Oh! Ok, so... something does need to be added to the Octavia API reference about this. But I don't think you need a massive table under 'create a load balancer' which repeats all the stuff in later sections. | 20:28 |
blogan | nmagnezi: indeed it should, we just got it working for ubuntu first | 20:28 |
TrevorV | Right, if everyone can agree on that, then I'll have a review up tonight/tomorrow | 20:28 |
blogan | i never tested it out with any redhat distros | 20:29 |
johnsom | TrevorV I think you can just reference the other sections. | 20:29 |
TrevorV | Perfect | 20:29 |
neelashah1 | johnsom: are amphora images hosted on openstack infra? if so, can you point me to where? | 20:29 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, the filename is one thing. but it's configurable so it's ok. but it is missing the jinja2 template for valid configuration and also the logic of when to use which template | 20:29 |
TrevorV | Then I'll work something into it all, and when its up for review you guys can provide some feedback, as per usual | 20:29 |
TrevorV | as is tradition | 20:29 |
sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:29 |
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johnsom | neelashah1 No, they are built by devstack plugin script or the user using the diskimage-create.sh script included | 20:30 |
sbalukoff | johnsom: Just to be clear on everyone's focus for the next week: We should be working on bug fixes or bug fix reviews, yes? | 20:30 |
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neelashah1 | markvan ^ | 20:30 |
sbalukoff | johnsom: Newton stuff and stuff not necessary for the RC1 deadline should happen next week, yes? | 20:30 |
nmagnezi | I have a question about what sbalukoff pointed above. re: controller HA. is that not expected to work at all for Mitaka? for all services what consist the controller? worker, health-manager, housekeeping | 20:31 |
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johnsom | sbalukoff Yes, the focus this week is bug fixes and bug reviews. We really need to get the fixes in for Mitaka | 20:31 |
TrevorV | I have a top priority internally for neutron lbaas single-create | 20:31 |
sbalukoff | nmagnezi: It works so long as you have one instance of the controller-worker and health manager running at a time. We have not tested it with multiple instances, and it's unlikely to work, given what I know about the code. | 20:31 |
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sbalukoff | So you can achieve HA if you code a way to detect a failure of one of these processes and deal with it yourself. | 20:32 |
TrevorV | So I can't say I share that dedication for the bug fixes, but the two bugs I have for mitaka I'll get in tonight/tomorrow for sure | 20:32 |
sbalukoff | There are no pre-packaged scripts for this right now, though. | 20:32 |
johnsom | nmagnezi You can have multiple instances of the controller processes | 20:32 |
johnsom | sbalukoff You are wrong on single instance | 20:32 |
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minwang2 | I will try to wrap upthe bug that i am working ASAP | 20:32 |
sbalukoff | johnsom: I am? You guys have tested this? | 20:32 |
bharathm | sbalukoff: we can have multiple workers | 20:32 |
rm_work | TrevorV: i thought single-create for neutron-lbaas got -2'd for Mitaka, or is that old news and now it is RFE'd in or something? | 20:32 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, same node? multiple nodes? both cases? | 20:33 |
bharathm | We tested this on a multi-node env and it works | 20:33 |
TrevorV | rm_work doesn't matter, reach needs it at Rax | 20:33 |
rm_work | or was that something else entirely | 20:33 |
johnsom | nmagnezi It has been very lightly tested and will not fail over requests that are in process yet | 20:33 |
sbalukoff | Huh! Ok. | 20:33 |
rm_work | ah :/ | 20:33 |
TrevorV | Yeah | 20:33 |
TrevorV | my same face | 20:33 |
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nmagnezi | johnsom, got it. and by controller which octavia process do you mean? | 20:34 |
johnsom | nmagnezi All four and both cases | 20:34 |
johnsom | nmagnezi but same node might get strange with port issues | 20:34 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, got it, thank you for the answers :) | 20:34 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, make sense | 20:35 |
johnsom | nmagnezi I highly recommend doing extra testing if you plan to deploy this way, as we have lightly tested it. | 20:35 |
blogan | i haven't tested it out either, but seems like it would work | 20:35 |
sbalukoff | johnsom: When did y'all test it? | 20:35 |
johnsom | It's not a feature I am highlighting as "we are controller HA" | 20:36 |
sbalukoff | I'm willing to bet there are race conditions... but I'm not sure I could reliably reproduce them. | 20:36 |
sbalukoff | After all, events that change things are relatively rare. | 20:36 |
blogan | you're a race condition! | 20:36 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, is this expected to get test coverage (tempest?) at some point? is it in the works? | 20:36 |
johnsom | As those services were being written. Yes, there likely are bugs | 20:36 |
johnsom | Yes, at some point. We also plan to have recovery for in progress requests in a future release | 20:37 |
sbalukoff | (ie. job board) | 20:37 |
johnsom | Ok, any other Mitaka concerns. I think cascade delete is going to be on the out list. | 20:37 |
johnsom | dougwig Any comments on that? | 20:37 |
blogan | sounds like it | 20:37 |
fnaval | nmagnezi: no tempest tests for it as far as I know; please create a blueprint/bug for it though | 20:38 |
johnsom | Really unfortunate given the series of events | 20:38 |
dougwig | johnsom: sorry, wasn't paying attention. scrolling | 20:38 |
blogan | and if thats the case...should we just drop the current proposed way and put it on the lbtree resource? since that is being done for single create? | 20:38 |
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nmagnezi | fnaval, will do | 20:38 |
* sbalukoff gets out his paint again. | 20:38 | |
fnaval | nmagnezi: thank you so much | 20:38 |
johnsom | blogan If that is the case, we can continue painting after Mitaka release | 20:38 |
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johnsom | dougwig Cascade delete mess. Not landing I take it? I hope it's not just because of the client release timing. | 20:39 |
dougwig | johnsom: oh, i hadn't seen the defer. gimme a few, not sure yet. | 20:40 |
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blogan | dougwig: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287593/ | 20:40 |
blogan | last comment | 20:41 |
dougwig | are both the client and server ready to go? | 20:41 |
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johnsom | Yes | 20:41 |
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johnsom | I think the issue was around neutron client being cut early | 20:42 |
johnsom | We argued about the API path too long | 20:42 |
sbalukoff | Why was it cut early? | 20:42 |
sbalukoff | So that somebody could create the CLI command reference using their non-documented procedure? :P | 20:42 |
dougwig | hmm.... OR, we could move the client commands into an in-repo extension and do an end-run around the cat's skin. | 20:43 |
johnsom | Don't get me started on the docs issues. No answers that actually work from those folks. Just deleted docs. | 20:43 |
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sbalukoff | (Not actually looking for an answer to that, I guess, just pointing out what a mess that all is.) | 20:43 |
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johnsom | doug-fish for the dashboard cascade delete are you using the neutron client or just going to the API? | 20:44 |
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doug-fish | neutron client | 20:45 |
sbalukoff | Damn. | 20:45 |
dougwig | posted an alternative in the review. | 20:45 |
dougwig | we'd need to shuffle some files around. | 20:45 |
johnsom | Ok, so, seems un-likely | 20:45 |
doug-fish | Going out the door without cascading delete from the UI isn't my favorite, but it's not the end of the world. | 20:46 |
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doug-fish | this could be updated during the stable release cycle later on right? | 20:47 |
blogan | doug-fish: so without cascading delete users will still be able to delete things? | 20:47 |
blogan | doug-fish: you mean as a backport? | 20:47 |
doug-fish | blogan: yes | 20:48 |
blogan | doug-fish: likely not, features arent backported | 20:48 |
doug-fish | blogan: yes, as a backport - also yes to users can delete things part by part | 20:48 |
johnsom | Right, only bug fixes get backported | 20:48 |
blogan | doug-fish: sorry i asked back to back yes/no questions lol | 20:48 |
doug-fish | I have to run but will be back later | 20:49 |
blogan | ah well if users can delete things part by part, i'm less inclined to jump through hoops just to get the cascade delete in, it'll go in almost immediately when N opens up | 20:49 |
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blogan | not assuming bike shedding | 20:49 |
johnsom | Yeah, I agree, pushing rope at this point | 20:49 |
Apsu | phrasing | 20:49 |
rm_work | lol | 20:49 |
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dougwig | if the client piece got done today, i'd be willing to push hard for M. if that's going to take awhile, then it might indeed be N. | 20:50 |
rm_work | well, i think it IS done? | 20:50 |
rm_work | but not with the alternate method? | 20:50 |
dougwig | as an extension, not in python-neutronclient | 20:50 |
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dougwig | no way will i be able to budge the client proper. | 20:51 |
johnsom | dougwig Client is done as-is, your proposal I don't know how that works | 20:51 |
blogan | dougwig: would that extension have to live on as an extension? | 20:51 |
dougwig | johnsom: you put the client code in neutron-lbaas, and add a stevedore extension that python-neutronclient finds automagically. http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-neutronclient/devref/client_command_extensions.html | 20:51 |
rm_work | ah k | 20:51 |
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dougwig | blogan: if you ask me, all the lbaas client commands should be in our repo as an extension. | 20:52 |
rm_work | huh, that doesn't seem to bad | 20:52 |
rm_work | ^^ actually I agree with that | 20:52 |
johnsom | So you have to install neutron-lbaas on the hosts that run the client? Not sure that would fly | 20:52 |
rm_work | ah THAT is interesting | 20:52 |
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dougwig | johnsom: you could always put it in yet another separate repo, i guess. :) | 20:52 |
rm_work | T_T nevermind i take it back | 20:52 |
johnsom | Yep, that would sadly be the way to go | 20:52 |
blogan | can we create an lbaas stadium? | 20:53 |
rm_work | :P | 20:53 |
johnsom | blogan I like the way you think! Grin | 20:53 |
dougwig | johnsom: right, because installing n-l pulls in n, which pulls in ovs and crap. ugh. | 20:53 |
johnsom | Right | 20:53 |
blogan | we have to accept our fate | 20:53 |
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dougwig | does -dashboard just need the api? | 20:53 |
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blogan | dougwig: it needs the client | 20:54 |
johnsom | I'm sure openstackclient will solve all of our problems.... | 20:54 |
sbalukoff | Haha | 20:54 |
blogan | johnsom: yes...of course | 20:54 |
dougwig | really gross, but the client extension could go into -dashboard. oh god, i can't believe i typed that. | 20:54 |
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sbalukoff | Eew. | 20:54 |
blogan | okay with that meeting is almost done | 20:54 |
dougwig | hitler! | 20:54 |
blogan | dougwig has lost it | 20:54 |
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dougwig | godwin has been invoked | 20:54 |
blogan | and godwin | 20:54 |
sbalukoff | Haha | 20:54 |
johnsom | Ok, any other topics in the next six minutes? | 20:55 |
ajmiller | Quick sanity check regarding dashboard.; | 20:55 |
Apsu | Dashboard sanity checks always fail | 20:55 |
johnsom | ajmiller yes? | 20:56 |
ajmiller | LOL. I just want to have common understanding that it is OK to merge patches. Or not? | 20:56 |
johnsom | ajmiller Yes. They are proposing an independent release cadence, so please continue reviews. | 20:56 |
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johnsom | dougwig Do you agree? | 20:57 |
neelashah1 | johnsom dougwig - its unclear to me who will be doing this independent release for the dashboard…just so we can stay in sync and get ready... | 20:57 |
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neelashah1 | maybe we can continue in the lbaas channel | 20:58 |
johnsom | neelashah1 I can be your release point person. | 20:58 |
neelashah1 | ok, great…thanks, johnsom! | 20:58 |
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johnsom | Ok, thanks folks! Please fix bugs and do reviews!!!! | 20:58 |
johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 20:59:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-03-09-20.00.html | 20:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-03-09-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
sbalukoff | Thanks y'all! | 20:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2016/octavia.2016-03-09-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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fnaval | thanks | 20:59 |
ajmiller | bye | 20:59 |
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