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| leong | #startmeeting product_working_group | 01:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 5 01:59:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is leong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 01:59 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 01:59 |
| kei | o/ | 01:59 |
| leong | o/ | 02:00 |
| hughhalf | o/ | 02:00 |
| samP | o/ | 02:00 |
| kencjohnston | hi kei ! | 02:00 |
| fredli | o/ | 02:00 |
| kei | hi kencjohnston! | 02:00 |
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| leong | this is our first product working group regional meeting... | 02:00 |
| leong | agenda can be found here.. | 02:00 |
| shintaro | hi | 02:00 |
| leong | let do a roll call | 02:00 |
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| kencjohnston | leong Should we do type our names and companies? | 02:01 |
| leong | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 02:01 |
| leong | yes.. let's do a quick introduction | 02:01 |
| leong | i shall start first... | 02:01 |
| leong | This is leong, from Intel | 02:01 |
| fredli | Hi all, I am Fred Li, from Huawei. | 02:02 |
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| hughhalf | Hugh, from Rackspace, Hi! :) | 02:02 |
| kencjohnston | Howdy, I'm Kenny Johnston from Rackspace and OSIC | 02:02 |
| shintaro | Hi all, Shintaro Mizuno from NTT | 02:02 |
| samP | Hi, I am Sampath Priyankara from NTT | 02:02 |
| kei | Kei Tokunaga from Fujitsu. Hi everyone. | 02:02 |
| * hughhalf adds he's in Australia and realises that might be good context for everyone to note | 02:02 | |
| leong | good to see people from various companies! | 02:02 |
| * kencjohnston and remembers that he's in Kansas City, USA | 02:02 | |
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| leong | does anyone know the purpose of this regional meeting? | 02:03 |
| kencjohnston | leong To get more people involved in the Product Work Group? | 02:03 |
| hughhalf | Facilitate APAC-ish timezones | 02:04 |
| leong | the reason that we put up this regional meeting is to encourage participation from other region countires | 02:04 |
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| leong | so the input from this regional meeting will be feedback to the 'main' Product WG meeting | 02:04 |
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| leong | same thing.. the discussion of the 'main' Product WG meeting will be summarized here, so that both team can have better transparancy and collaboration | 02:05 |
| hughhalf | leong I think this is an excellent step, thank you for setting it up | 02:05 |
| kencjohnston | leong +1 | 02:05 |
| shintaro | leong: sounds good | 02:05 |
| kei | leong: thank you. | 02:06 |
| leong | for this couple of week, i will try to chair the meeting.. however, moving forward, i would suggest someone from "regional" could co-chair the meeting | 02:06 |
| hughhalf | where are you based leong ? | 02:06 |
| leong | I'm based in Portland USA hahaha | 02:06 |
| hughhalf | Ah, well that's the "P" in APAC :) | 02:07 |
| kencjohnston | hughhalf ha | 02:07 |
| leong | LOL | 02:07 |
| hughhalf | But yes, someone regional can chair, I think this is a good idea. | 02:07 |
| leong | i can try to kickstart this regional meeting for now, but that's not going to be a long-term path for me... | 02:07 |
| samP | isnt it better some one in the region could co-chair? | 02:08 |
| leong | yup. samP and hughhalf, that's what i'm trying to proposing here | 02:08 |
| hughhalf | I would be happy to chair or co-chair along with someone else too if that makes sense | 02:08 |
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| shintaro | maybe someone who can join both "main" and "regional"? | 02:08 |
| * hughhalf is UTC+10 - Sydney | 02:08 | |
| * hughhalf nods at shintaro | 02:08 | |
| hughhalf | I can usually do both | 02:08 |
| leong | it will be even better if both chair/co-chair are from "regional" | 02:09 |
| hughhalf | if not, I can read the minutes of the North America/EU ones | 02:09 |
| kei | leong: You asked me to be a co-chair in the original meeting before. So I'd like to try. | 02:09 |
| kei | :) | 02:09 |
| leong | +1 | 02:09 |
| hughhalf | where are based Kei ? | 02:09 |
| leong | Kei is from NTT, Japan | 02:09 |
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| hughhalf | Oh, perfect! | 02:09 |
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| hughhalf | Domo arigato gozaimasu kei | 02:09 |
| kei | leong: from Fujitsu :-) | 02:09 |
| samP | excellent | 02:09 |
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| kei | hughhalf: I'm based in Japan | 02:10 |
| leong | sorry.. Kei is from Fujitsu....oopss | 02:10 |
| kei | leong: :) | 02:10 |
| leong | does anyone else interested to be the co-chair or chair? | 02:10 |
| hughhalf | I am happy to chair/co-chair, yes | 02:11 |
| leong | that's great.. | 02:11 |
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| leong | are we ok here for Kei and Hughhalf to chair/co-chair this regional meeting onwards? | 02:11 |
| leong | i will try to join this biweekly though... | 02:12 |
| samP | +1 | 02:12 |
| fredli | +1 | 02:12 |
| kencjohnston | +1 | 02:12 |
| leong | +1 | 02:12 |
| kencjohnston | Is it a weekly or bi-weekly meeting? | 02:12 |
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| kei | bi-weekly | 02:12 |
| kencjohnston | Even though I'm not in region, this time is much better for me. Do you guys mind if I'm an adopted APAC meeting member? | 02:12 |
| leong | #agree The team agree for Kei and Hughhalf to chair/co-chair this regional meeting onward | 02:12 |
| leong | Kencjohnston, this will be bi-weekly for now.. | 02:13 |
| hughhalf | Thanks :) | 02:13 |
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| leong | however, depending on the participants in this meeting, we can change this to a weekly meeting | 02:13 |
| leong | this channel is reserved for weekly | 02:13 |
| leong | kencjohnston, i think that is fine! | 02:13 |
| hughhalf | I think bi-weekly will be a good start, yes | 02:14 |
| fredli | we can start with biweekly, and then change if necessary | 02:14 |
| * hughhalf nods at fredli | 02:14 | |
| leong | would everyone agree that we start with biweekly, then change whenever needed | 02:14 |
| hughhalf | +1 | 02:14 |
| kencjohnston | leong +1 | 02:14 |
| shintaro | +1 | 02:14 |
| fredli | +1 | 02:14 |
| samP | sure | 02:14 |
| kei | +1 | 02:15 |
| leong | #agree The team agree to meet biweekly for now. The team will decide if need to change the frequency in the future. | 02:15 |
| leong | cool.. | 02:15 |
| samP | do we need to update http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Product_WG | 02:15 |
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| leong | i think we have covered the first two agenda item... | 02:15 |
| leong | does anyone has any question so far.. | 02:15 |
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| leong | would both chair kei and hughhalf comfortable with the irc meeting logistics/commands? | 02:16 |
| kencjohnston | samP it should update iftself if this meeting is in governance, and if we are using the meetbot | 02:16 |
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| hughhalf | leong yes I think so, I have watched a few meetings now | 02:16 |
| samP | ah..OK then | 02:16 |
| leong | samP it will be automatically updated by meetbot | 02:16 |
| leong | ok.. i have a IRC meeting cheatsheet, i can share with the team if needed | 02:16 |
| kei | leong: I think so too. | 02:16 |
| hughhalf | leong cheat sheets are always welcome, thankyou | 02:17 |
| kei | leong: that'd be great. | 02:17 |
| kencjohnston | wait samP is right, we might need to update who the eligible chairs are to start the meeting | 02:17 |
| leong | #action Leong to share irc cheatsheet | 02:17 |
| kencjohnston | #link How to Chair an IRC Meeting https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ChairaMeeting | 02:18 |
| leong | #topic product workgroup user story workflow | 02:18 |
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| leong | next agenda, does everyone know the new product wg user story workflow? | 02:19 |
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| kei | kencjohnston: thanks for the info. | 02:19 |
| fredli | no, I don't | 02:19 |
| leong | #link Product WG User Story Workflow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow | 02:19 |
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| leong | so.. basically anyone can propose a user story to the product wg repository | 02:20 |
| leong | the team will commend and review the proposal on the review.openstack.org | 02:20 |
| kencjohnston | #link User Story Repository https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories | 02:20 |
| leong | the team will "merged" the proposal once the team think that this user story has sufficient information for the requirements | 02:21 |
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| fredli | thanks, I will read that | 02:21 |
| leong | then we will bring this user-story into cross-project spec | 02:21 |
| leong | I will advice all members here to have a look at the above link | 02:22 |
| leong | #action All to read the Product WG User Story Workflow https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow | 02:22 |
| leong | any questions? | 02:22 |
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| kencjohnston | How can I find user stories to provide reviews on? | 02:23 |
| leong | #link Existing user stories on repo: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/user-stories | 02:24 |
| kencjohnston | This one might be better - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-user-stories | 02:24 |
| leong | thanks kencjohnston | 02:24 |
| leong | #link Existing user stories on repo https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-user-stories | 02:24 |
| kencjohnston | One easy way to get started is to start reviewing existing open user stories | 02:25 |
| leong | we have a couple of user stories being proposed today... | 02:25 |
| kencjohnston | it will give you an idea of what we look for in User Stories and familiarity with the gerrit review system | 02:25 |
| leong | in today 'main' Product WG meeting, we have identified/prioritize the top 5 that we want to drive forward prior to Austin summit | 02:25 |
| kencjohnston | And the fact that you don't have to propose a fully formed user story, start with the basics to get the conversation started and iterate from there | 02:25 |
| * kencjohnston shuts up now to hear about the priority | 02:26 | |
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| leong | the top 5 user story: 1. Rolling upgrade; 2. HA VM; 3. Baremetal service; 4. Capacity Mgmt; 5. Fleet Mmgmt | 02:26 |
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| samP | is there any minimum required items before propose a story? | 02:27 |
| leong | we don't have minimum requirement for proposing a story... | 02:27 |
| kencjohnston | samP No, just a description to propose. | 02:27 |
| * kencjohnston looks for a link to the template... | 02:27 | |
| kencjohnston | #link User story template https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-story-template.rst | 02:28 |
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| leong | thanks kencjohnston.. that the link to the template.. anyone can use that template and propose a new user story | 02:28 |
| samP | got it. | 02:28 |
| fredli | kencjohnston: thanks | 02:28 |
| samP | thax | 02:28 |
| leong | I would like to encourage/invite everyone to look at the top 5 user stories | 02:29 |
| leong | we aim to finalize and 'merged' them before Austin summit, so that we can bring them into design summit for discussion | 02:29 |
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| leong | user story 'rolling upgrade' is already merged. | 02:31 |
| leong | #link Rolling Upgrade https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/proposed/rolling-upgrades.rst | 02:31 |
| leong | #link HA VM https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289469/ | 02:31 |
| leong | #link Baremetal https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289627/ | 02:32 |
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| leong | #link Capacity Mgmt https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/proposed/capacity_management.rst | 02:32 |
| kencjohnston | #link Fleet Managemenet https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299531/ | 02:33 |
| leong | cool... | 02:33 |
| leong | that's the link to the top 5 | 02:33 |
| leong | we need more reviews especially for HA VM, Baremetal and Fleet Mgmt | 02:33 |
| leong | questions? | 02:33 |
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| kei | leong: would you also share the information of what exactly we're planning to do with the top 5 in design summit (of course once all of them are merged)? | 02:34 |
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| leong | we will bring them into cross-project / project discussion, get commitment from relevant project team so that these 'feature' will be one of their priority list | 02:35 |
| fredli | leong: how detailed should we prepare for the user stories? for example, should we provide BPs if ready? | 02:36 |
| kei | leong: thanks. | 02:36 |
| leong | the more detail the better, so of the user-stories might already have related bp/spec | 02:36 |
| leong | some of the user-stories might already have related bp/spec | 02:36 |
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| kencjohnston | fredli Although if it is within a single project (ie a specific blueprint for say Nova) we typically don't create User Stories for those. | 02:37 |
| kencjohnston | fredli You would be better served creating a spec within the given projects spec repo. | 02:37 |
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| fredli | leong: got it. thanks | 02:38 |
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| leong | we want to focus more on the "requirements" first | 02:39 |
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| leong | and then trying to identify the existing gap in openstack | 02:39 |
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| shintaro | what about cross-project spec, will they be the same as the user story? | 02:40 |
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| leong | the user story will be the 'input' to the cross-project spec | 02:40 |
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| kencjohnston | shintaro We modeled the User Story template to fit into certain sections of the Cross Project Spec template | 02:41 |
| kencjohnston | But Cross Project spec is where the gaps and technical implementation should be fleshed out. | 02:41 |
| shintaro | kencjohnston thanks | 02:41 |
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| leong | we have about 18 mins for the meeting.. anything we want to discuss with respect to User Story? | 02:43 |
| kencjohnston | I'll throw out a few links to User Stories I've drafted that I'd like feedback on | 02:43 |
| * kencjohnston finds link | 02:43 | |
| leong | ok | 02:43 |
| kencjohnston | actually we already referenced fleet management | 02:44 |
| kencjohnston | one other one is Centralized Config, | 02:44 |
| kencjohnston | #Link Centralized/Categorized Config Options https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291406/ | 02:44 |
| kencjohnston | I'd appreciate reviews | 02:44 |
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| kencjohnston | Nothing else from me. | 02:45 |
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| shintaro | quick question, what is the criteria for user stories to get merged? | 02:45 |
| kencjohnston | shintaro I'm not sure it is officially documented other than the normal 2 +2s from cores and passing the Jenkins gate | 02:46 |
| fredli | shintaro: good question | 02:46 |
| kencjohnston | but we generally look for team agreement on user stories | 02:46 |
| kencjohnston | and fleshed out Usage Scenarios, problem description and appropriate external references | 02:47 |
| leong | "technically" require to +2... but generally is an agreement within the Product WG team | 02:47 |
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| leong | the key criteria is: Trying to capture all necessary requirements into the user story, so that it is 'solid' enough to present to the developer community | 02:47 |
| rockyg | ++ | 02:48 |
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| leong | there are a few sections in the template | 02:48 |
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| leong | such as Usage Scenario, Requirements, External References | 02:49 |
| rockyg | Sometimes it is important to get initial story out to devs then add to it barred on dev comments | 02:49 |
| leong | agreed rockyg, that's why we want to get these prepared for the design summit | 02:49 |
| fredli | leong: are there cores in product-wg? if so, who are the cores. I didn't find it. | 02:50 |
| shintaro | thanks | 02:50 |
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| leong | i think right now we have 'core' as kenny, carol, shamail | 02:50 |
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| kencjohnston | leong and rocky | 02:50 |
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| kencjohnston | #link User Stories Cores https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1042,members | 02:51 |
| leong | i don't think i'm on the core list yet.. haha | 02:51 |
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| fredli | kencjohnston: thanks. I searched by "product-wg". | 02:51 |
| kencjohnston | yeah our repo is openstack/openstack-user-stories | 02:52 |
| fredli | I have no more questions. | 02:52 |
| leong | ok...let's move on to open | 02:52 |
| leong | #topic Open | 02:52 |
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| leong | any open questions? | 02:52 |
| kei | one thing I'd like to double-check. pwg only treats user stories that require cross-project activities? | 02:52 |
| kencjohnston | For those interested in help getting started, either with git, gerrit or RST I'm available | 02:52 |
| kencjohnston | kei Good call out. That has been an unspoken rule to date, we originally said we'd focus on cross-project multi-release items | 02:53 |
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| kencjohnston | but I do think a single project User Story is likely better handled as a project spec | 02:54 |
| leong | agree with kencjohnston | 02:54 |
| kencjohnston | although I could be convinced otherwise... | 02:54 |
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| kencjohnston | if it is something that you think would help get other members of the Product Work Group informed about and behind. | 02:54 |
| leong | btw, here's my irc cheatsheet | 02:55 |
| leong | #Link IRC cheatsheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m--DFSwTPqKmxGNxP7ThDYuNr017wI_bUQOtqyaeyG0/edit?usp=sharing | 02:55 |
| kei | kencjohnston: i agree a single project user story is better handled as a project spec. so pwg doesn't treat a project spec at this moment, right? | 02:56 |
| kencjohnston | kei correct. | 02:56 |
| kei | kencjohnston: ok. thanks. | 02:56 |
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| samP | leong: thanks | 02:56 |
| kei | leong: thanks. will take a look at it. | 02:57 |
| kencjohnston | only other open I have is thanks leong for advocating for and organizing this meeting! | 02:57 |
| leong | kei, kencjohnston, i think we might want to discuss how to handle single project user story soon... | 02:57 |
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| leong | my pleasure! | 02:57 |
| rockyg | ++ thanks leong | 02:58 |
| shintaro | Thanks leong! | 02:58 |
| hughhalf | thanks leong | 02:58 |
| samP | Thanks leong! | 02:58 |
| leong | nice chat with you all, hoping that this regional meeting can generate impact to the Product WG and OpenStack community as a whole.... | 02:58 |
| kei | thanks, leong | 02:58 |
| fredli | Thanks leong | 02:58 |
| hughhalf | kei shall we exchange email so we can coordinate the next sessions ? | 02:58 |
| kei | leong: + | 02:58 |
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| kei | hughhalf: absolutely. | 02:59 |
| hughhalf | I'm hugh@blemings.org | 02:59 |
| leong | #action key and hughhalf to plan for next meeting | 02:59 |
| hughhalf | :) | 02:59 |
| leong | 'see' you all next time | 02:59 |
| kei | hughhalf: mine is tokunaga.keiich@jp.fujitsu.com | 02:59 |
| fredli | nice to chat with you all. see you next time. | 03:00 |
| samP | Thank you all and CU on next meeting | 03:00 |
| kencjohnston | thanks all! | 03:00 |
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| kei | see you all | 03:00 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 5 03:00:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-05-01.59.html | 03:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-05-01.59.txt | 03:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-04-05-01.59.log.html | 03:00 |
| kei | hughhalf: will email you later. thanks. | 03:01 |
| hughhalf | thanks kei | 03:01 |
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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 5 14:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| derekh | howdy | 14:00 |
| rdopiera | hi | 14:00 |
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| dprince | hi everyone | 14:01 |
| matbu | \o | 14:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
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| beagles | o/ | 14:01 |
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| pradk | o/ | 14:02 |
| qasims | o/ | 14:02 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| dprince | * quickstack (one off questions) | 14:02 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:03 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:03 |
| dprince | trown: I've added your quickstart one-off agenda item to the front of the agenda since we didn't get to it last week | 14:03 |
| shardy | I also just added a topic re summit sessions | 14:03 |
| trown | dprince: k, I mostly resolved it :) | 14:03 |
| trown | o/ | 14:03 |
| dprince | trown: okay, so skip it? | 14:03 |
| dprince | trown: meeting times have been tight so if it is handled we can swap it out for the schedule | 14:04 |
| trown | but I have some other questions about documentation and image building | 14:04 |
| dprince | shardy: ack | 14:04 |
| trown | I will send to ML first and we can discuss in a later meeting | 14:04 |
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| dprince | okay, so this | 14:05 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:05 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:05 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:05 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:05 | |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:05 |
| dprince | * summit sessions | 14:05 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:05 |
| dprince | oops. I meant to call that agenda2. Oh well | 14:05 |
| dprince | shardy: will talk about the summit sessions right after specs | 14:06 |
| dprince | lets get started | 14:06 |
| shardy | dprince: thanks | 14:06 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:06 | |
| dprince | lots of bugs last week | 14:06 |
| dprince | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1566259 | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566259 in tripleo "Upgrades job failing with ControllerServiceChain config_settings error" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:06 |
| dprince | this is currently breaking our CI the most we think | 14:06 |
| shardy | So, as discussed in #tripleo, this is already fixed by a heat revert | 14:06 |
| shardy | we just have to figure out how to consume a newer heat I think | 14:07 |
| dprince | shardy: yep, just wanted to mention in case others weren't following | 14:07 |
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| shardy | yup my response also just for info if folks weren't following :) | 14:07 |
| dprince | any other bugs to mention | 14:08 |
| slagle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1537898 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537898 in tripleo "HA job overcloud pingtest timeouts" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle) | 14:08 |
| slagle | i wanted to mention we merged a patch to address that, hopefully | 14:08 |
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| derekh | shardy: so options are promote, temprevert or whitelist? /me wasn't following which are we going for? | 14:08 |
| slagle | but, now i'm seeting timeouts from the heat stack timeout, which defaults to 360s | 14:09 |
| slagle | so we likely need another patch to bump that as well | 14:09 |
| shardy | derekh: Yeah, we need to decide which - my whitelist patch didn't pass all the jobs, so all options are still on the table I think | 14:09 |
| slagle | that error killed 81 jobs last week, fwiw | 14:09 |
| dprince | slagle: does this not fix it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298941/ | 14:09 |
| derekh | 81 ouch | 14:09 |
| slagle | dprince: partially, that's what i'm saying | 14:09 |
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| slagle | we bumped rpc timeout to 10 minutes, but the heat stack has a timeout of 6 mins | 14:10 |
| weshay | sshnaidm, ^ | 14:10 |
| slagle | so i was going to do another patch to bump the 6 minutes to 20 minutes | 14:10 |
| jistr | also one more CI related fix is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301624/ -- we weren't getting logs for jobs where crm_resource --wait hanged, this should fix it and perhaps allow us to debug stuck HA jobs | 14:10 |
| dprince | slagle: yes. lets do all these | 14:10 |
| dprince | slagle: but seriously, I think our pingtest is taking way to long | 14:11 |
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| sshnaidm | weshay, it's about pingtest timeouts, I meant overall timeout of the whole job | 14:11 |
| slagle | dprince: indeed. only thing i've been able to deduce is that we are completely cpu bound in the testenvs | 14:11 |
| shardy | wow, so that's 6 minutes to create a few neutron resources and have the server go ACTIVE | 14:11 |
| shardy | it's not even including the time to boot it | 14:11 |
| dprince | slagle: yeah | 14:11 |
| dprince | slagle: will you push the patch to tune/bump the heat stack timeout then? | 14:12 |
| slagle | yes, will do | 14:12 |
| dprince | slagle: thanks | 14:12 |
| dprince | okay, so with shardy's and slagle's incoming patches I think we should be in better shape | 14:13 |
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| dprince | any other issues this week for bugs? | 14:13 |
| sshnaidm | dprince, I'm not sure if it could be considere a bug, but recently a lot of jobs are stopped in the middle and failed because of timeout, they take more than 3 hours, especially ha and upgrades. Is it should be reported as a bug..? | 14:13 |
| trown | liberty upgrades job is broke too, but I have not looked into exactly why... more in the CI topic | 14:13 |
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| dprince | sshnaidm: that can be a bug. We need to stop adding to the waltime of our CI jobs. | 14:13 |
| derekh | +1 to reversing our trend of adding to wall time | 14:14 |
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| sshnaidm | dprince, ok, then I will report it in launchpad | 14:14 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: I think perhaps we even need to consider cutting from the jobs. The HA jobs are just too resource intensive | 14:14 |
| shardy | well we're also getting poor performance from the CI nodes which gives rise to spurious timeouts | 14:14 |
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| sshnaidm | dprince, maybe it could run in periodical jobs or experimental.. | 14:14 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: yep, we'd need a team focussed on keeping those passing though | 14:15 |
| weshay | adarazs, ^ ya we can try to back fill the coverage on ha if needed | 14:15 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: but we could go at it that way | 14:15 |
| shardy | both options result in folks ignoring failures unfortunately | 14:15 |
| shardy | which is a topic for the CI section ;) | 14:15 |
| dprince | yep, lets move on | 14:15 |
| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:16 |
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| dprince | anything needing to be discussed here this week | 14:16 |
| dprince | the Mitaka releases are cut | 14:16 |
| shardy | dprince: are you planning to publish a "mitaka" release around the GA of the coordinated release? | 14:16 |
| dprince | branches are cut rather | 14:16 |
| trown | ya there have been some key fixes to land on mitaka after the branch is cut | 14:17 |
| shardy | Yeah we've cut the branches, I wasn't sure if we were going to attempt to advertise the released versions via openstack/releases | 14:17 |
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| dprince | shardy: sure, we can. | 14:17 |
| shardy | there was some discussion re the generated docs, e.g for independent project on openstack-dev | 14:17 |
| trown | thinking of the mariadb10 compatability patch for tht, though I think there are others | 14:17 |
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| shardy | in the context of kolla, but same applies to us atm | 14:17 |
| shardy | http://releases.openstack.org/independent.html | 14:17 |
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| dprince | shardy: thinking about releases EmilienM made me use reno for one of my puppet patches. | 14:18 |
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| shardy | It'd be good if we had a TripleO mitaka "release" on there, even if it's just the various repos | 14:18 |
| dprince | shardy: we should consider adopting it as it would really help show what went into the release that is being cut | 14:18 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, agreed | 14:18 |
| trown | +1 for reno | 14:18 |
| trown | ironic has been using it very successfully | 14:18 |
| shardy | we need reno and probably either spec-lite bugs or blueprints | 14:18 |
| dprince | shardy: if we adopt it early in Newton that would be most ideal | 14:19 |
| shardy | so we can track both the deliverables/completed stuff and the roadmap | 14:19 |
| dprince | shardy: getting the whole core team to by into using it is important though as we'd need to enforce it during reviews | 14:19 |
| dprince | but it is fairly painless I think | 14:20 |
| shardy | dprince: +1 - I'll try to take a first-cut at describing the process and ping the list for feedback | 14:20 |
| dprince | shardy: sounds good :) | 14:20 |
| shardy | agree, it shouldn't be much work at all for folks, but we need to get buy-in for sure | 14:20 |
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| dprince | okay, any other stable branch topics. I think we can revisit the "when to tag" topic again next week | 14:21 |
| shardy | dprince: do we need a non-reno releasenotes document for Mitaka? | 14:21 |
| shardy | e.g a wiki or page in TripleO docs? | 14:21 |
| dprince | shardy: so I sent out a wiki patch 1 month ago to the list and asked people to fill it in | 14:22 |
| dprince | shardy: that could be a start... | 14:22 |
| shardy | dprince: ack, I need to revisit that ;) | 14:22 |
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| jistr | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-mitaka | 14:22 |
| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-mitaka | 14:23 |
| shardy | thanks jistr | 14:23 |
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| dprince | cool, I was looking for that as well but email was slow | 14:23 |
| dprince | okay, lets move on | 14:23 |
| dprince | #topic CI | 14:23 |
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| trown | I started working on some aggregate reporting we could integrate into the ci status page | 14:24 |
| shardy | Two topics to mention, capacity (or lack thereof) and state of the periodic job and propmotion of tripleo-common | 14:24 |
| trown | http://chunk.io/f/9b65dfaa09dd415d97859ea16bc117a2 is a really raw form of the output | 14:24 |
| matbu | I wanted to mention that i started to work on upgrade liberty->mitaka, only UC upgrade are passing atm | 14:24 |
| weshay | hrybacki, ^ | 14:25 |
| shardy | trown: from RDO testing do you have any list we can use as a basis for tripleo-current promotion blockers atm? | 14:25 |
| dprince | trown: cool. I wanted some general wall time metric graphs too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291393/ | 14:25 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 14:25 |
| dprince | trown: if I can get that patch landed and start getting data then we could have graphs... | 14:25 |
| trown | shardy: RDO does not have a promote job setup for newton yet | 14:25 |
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| shardy | trown: Ok, thanks | 14:25 |
| trown | I think the report I linked above shows we have some pretty serious issues with the upgrades and ha jobs | 14:26 |
| slagle | trown: what's the conclusion from your data? everything fails the majority of the time? :) | 14:26 |
| shardy | Yeah, I just wondered if anyone had made any progress on sifting through them yet | 14:26 |
| trown | not that anyone didnt know that, but conditioning the success rate on the nonha job gives a pretty good approximation of real pass rate | 14:26 |
| dprince | trown: yeah, the incoming patches from shardy and slagle should fix a lot of those this week we think | 14:26 |
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| shardy | Does anyone have any thoughts on how we improve the promotion latency in future? | 14:27 |
| trown | dprince: ya it would be nice to have some metrics to back that up | 14:27 |
| dprince | trown: yeah, our existing CI reports alreayd give you a feel on this | 14:27 |
| shardy | atm it appears we need a ton of folks working on fixes every time the periodic job breaks | 14:27 |
| derekh | The problem is that transient bugs will continue to creep in, until we have somebody keeping on top of it all the time, we'll keep getting back to a bad state | 14:28 |
| shardy | but I get the impression we don't even have the feedback for folks to know it's failed atm | 14:28 |
| dprince | trown: I wanted wall times because jobs that take hours are unacceptable. And as we tune things I wanted to see clear improvements | 14:28 |
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| dprince | caching, etc. | 14:28 |
| trown | dprince: it is pretty fuzzy though... there is a big difference betwee 20% success and 60% success but I dont know that I can look at the status page and see that | 14:28 |
| shardy | derekh: would a nag-bot in #tripleo help at least raise visibility? | 14:28 |
| slagle | shardy: that would raise visibility, i dont know that it would encourage anyone to do anything about it | 14:29 |
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| sshnaidm | I think in addition to statistics we need also reasons statistics like: timeouts - 20%, overcloud fails - 40%, infrastructure - 30%, etc | 14:29 |
| shardy | slagle: I guess that's my question, how can we, and does anyone have time to help | 14:29 |
| trown | from experience it requires a ton of work | 14:29 |
| derekh | shardy: we should aim for a success rate of 80%+ on all the jobs , and nag bot might work thats starts nagging if we drop below that | 14:29 |
| dprince | shardy: we could just have someone (say bnemec) go and -2 everyones patches if CI is broken | 14:29 |
| dprince | shardy: that would get attention I think | 14:29 |
| bnemec | Hey now. | 14:29 |
| shardy | like, it's really bad that we fixed a heat issue ~2weeks ago after it was reported by folks here, yet it's still biting us now :( | 14:30 |
| dprince | bnemec: I choose you randomly sir :) | 14:30 |
| bnemec | It's as if you think I'm a -2 bot. :-P | 14:30 |
| dprince | bnemec: but you do have the highest -2's I think too | 14:30 |
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| derekh | shardy: yup, its been 2 weeks since we last promoted, we need to be spending time keeping that below 2 days | 14:30 |
| trown | I do think a nag bot that just says 'stop rechecking' if we fall below a certain success rate is a good idea | 14:31 |
| shardy | I guess if we can't keep the latency for promotion very low, then we have to figure out reinstating tmprevert functionality | 14:31 |
| shardy | as otherwise we've got no way to consume e.g reverts from heat or wherever | 14:31 |
| trown | though 80% is quite ambitious given the status quo | 14:31 |
| shardy | derekh: A lot of our failures appear capacity/performance related - what's the current plan re upgrading of hardware? | 14:32 |
| shardy | Or is it a question of reducing coverage to align with capacity? | 14:32 |
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| derekh | trown: back in the day, when we used to keep on top of this, I used to start looking for problems if it fell below 90%, (although addmitedly it never stayed above 90% for long) | 14:33 |
| shardy | if we do that, I guess we'll need to rely on third-party CI for some tests | 14:33 |
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| derekh | shardy: we're in the process of getting more memory for the machine but I wouldn't expect it until June'ish | 14:33 |
| trown | derekh: also, I see we have a bunch of incremental patches to cache artifacts... what if we just built an undercloud.qcow2 using tripleo-quickstart (with upstream repo setup) in the periodic job | 14:34 |
| trown | that would dramatically lower wall time | 14:34 |
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| trown | and could be completed much faster than redoing all of that work incrementally | 14:34 |
| dprince | derekh: best effort is to go after the caching. Speeding up the test time helps us on all fronts I think | 14:34 |
| trown | it also solves a problem with the approved spec... how do I document using tripleo-quickstart if the only image is in RDO | 14:35 |
| dprince | derekh: i.e. you are already working on the most important things I think | 14:35 |
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| slagle | keep in mind that as we keep bumping up timeouts, the job times are going to go up | 14:35 |
| slagle | hopefully they will pass though :) | 14:35 |
| derekh | trown: will take a look at tripleo-quickstart and see what could be done | 14:36 |
| trown | right... band aids on band aids | 14:36 |
| dprince | derekh: regarding adding the extra memory... I'm not sure that helps all cases as some things seem to be CPU bound | 14:36 |
| bnemec | Cutting down image build time may actually make the CPU situation worse though. | 14:36 |
| dprince | slagle: that is why until we get some caching in place to significantly reduce the wall time I think we might need to disable the delete and or extra ping tests | 14:36 |
| shardy | slagle: that's the problem tho, we're bumping individual timeouts, only to run into the infra global timeout | 14:36 |
| bnemec | Not saying we shouldn't do it, but it may not be the silver bullet that makes everything pass all the time again. | 14:36 |
| trown | bnemec: I see where you are going, but less wall time, means less load overall | 14:36 |
| jistr | +1 on caching. Jobs that don't test a DIB or image elements change doesn't need to build its own images IIUC. That would save a lot of wall time. | 14:37 |
| slagle | shardy: yea indeed | 14:37 |
| derekh | dprince: yup, we seem to be CPU bound, but we havn't always been, I think something has happened at some demanding more CPU in general | 14:37 |
| dprince | bnemec: if it doesn't work. At least we'd know more quickly | 14:37 |
| slagle | derekh: did the disabling of turbo mode help with the throttling at all? | 14:37 |
| slagle | i haven't checked the nodes myself | 14:37 |
| dprince | derekh: both the HA and the upgrades jobs are running 3 controllers w/ pacemaker right? | 14:38 |
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| derekh | slagle: I checked yesterday was still seeing trottling wanrings | 14:38 |
| dprince | derekh: more HA, controller nodes in the mix now... | 14:38 |
| derekh | dprince: yup | 14:38 |
| trown | hmm... do we need both of those jobs then? | 14:38 |
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| jistr | just regarding the differences between the two -- one is ipv4, the other is ipv6 i think. And upgrades job will eventually really test upgrades. | 14:39 |
| bnemec | What about a one node pacemaker cluster for the upgrades job? | 14:39 |
| dprince | trown: we could consider cutting one of them. | 14:39 |
| sshnaidm | upgrades jobs has 3 nodes in total, HA has 4 | 14:40 |
| trown | dprince: we are in a pretty bad spot atm, so I think we should consider drastic measures | 14:40 |
| dprince | trown: and swap in a periodic job. but it'd probably fail a lot more then | 14:40 |
| dprince | trown: I'm not arguing :/ | 14:40 |
| trown | :) | 14:40 |
| dprince | trown: we've overstepped our bounds for sure. Even thinking about adding more to CI at this point (like tempest) is not where we are at | 14:41 |
| derekh | before we go zapping jobs and moving stuff around I'd love if we could first find out if something in particular is hogging the resources | 14:41 |
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| dprince | derekh: agree, we are sort of poking about with our eyes closed here | 14:41 |
| jistr | +1 | 14:41 |
| dprince | #action derekh is going to turn the lights on in the CI cloud so we can see what is happening | 14:42 |
| dprince | :) | 14:42 |
| derekh | looks like upgrades in 1 node | 14:43 |
| derekh | dprince: thanks | 14:43 |
| derekh | *1 node pacesmaker | 14:43 |
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| dprince | derekh: so are you suggesting we switch upgrades to 1 node? | 14:44 |
| derekh | dprince: Nope, it was just pointing out that it already is a one node pacemaker cluster | 14:44 |
| rdopiera | by the way, just a random idea, I'm not sure if it's done or not, but maybe before the actual installation and tests are even started, there could be a quick sanity check for the environment? | 14:44 |
| derekh | dprince: bnemec suggested we try it | 14:44 |
| dprince | derekh: oh, I see. | 14:44 |
| dprince | derekh: I had forget that as well | 14:45 |
| rdopiera | sorry if that's not what you are talking about | 14:45 |
| bnemec | Must be a good idea if we're already doing it. :-) | 14:45 |
| trown | we have 2 more topics, though it seems we could have a weekly CI meeting that is an hour on its own | 14:45 |
| dprince | rdopiera: the environments are functionally fine. Just under load | 14:46 |
| derekh | rdopiera: I'm not sure what we would sanity test | 14:46 |
| dprince | rdopiera: or so we think | 14:46 |
| trown | not an awful idea really... to have a CI subteam that just reports back to this meeting | 14:46 |
| rdopiera | dprince: I see, forget it then | 14:46 |
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| rdopiera | dprince: my thinking was that then you would have fewer jobs even starting -- because the ones that would fail anyways wouldn't even start | 14:46 |
| dprince | trown: right, we can cut it off soon. I give CI the bulk of the time I think because it is blocking all of us. And we should all probably look at it more | 14:46 |
| trown | dprince: yep I agree, and think it probably needs even more time than half hour a week | 14:47 |
| dprince | rdopiera: yeah, well we could just scale back the number of concurrent jobs we allow to be running | 14:47 |
| sshnaidm | +1 for separate CI meeting | 14:47 |
| derekh | trown: I think this would be their brief, 1. the periodic job failed last night, find out why and fix it. 2. bug X is causing a lot of failures, find out why and fix. 3. find places we're waisting time and make things run faster | 14:48 |
| dprince | derekh: yep, that is a good start | 14:48 |
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| dprince | okay, lets moves on to specs then. We can continue CI talk in #tripleo afterwards.... | 14:50 |
| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:50 |
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| dprince | still very close to landing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280407/ | 14:50 |
| shardy | dprince: I'm +2 but it'd be good to see the nits mentioned fixed | 14:51 |
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| dprince | shardy: yep, not rushing it or anything | 14:51 |
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| dprince | any other specs this week? | 14:52 |
| dprince | slagle: shardy do you guys want me to abandone the composable services spec? Or make another pass at updating it again? | 14:52 |
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| shardy | dprince: Your call, I'm happy to focus on the patches at this point | 14:53 |
| dprince | shardy: yeah, that is what I've been doing anyways. | 14:54 |
| slagle | yea, i'm fine either way | 14:54 |
| slagle | i would like to see us agree to get updating to the patch being tested in place in CI first | 14:54 |
| slagle | but i dont know about the feasibility of that given all the CI issues | 14:54 |
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| dprince | so if specs aren't helpful (which it seems like this one provoked a lot of qustions) | 14:55 |
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| slagle | i feel these patches have a potential to break stack-update's, and we won't know until we try towards the end of the cycle | 14:55 |
| dprince | then we don't have to do them | 14:55 |
| slagle | then we're faced with a mound of problems | 14:55 |
| dprince | but having a Spec to point to for people asking about high level ideas is useful | 14:55 |
| dprince | For this particular thing... the documentation can be to tripleo-docs however. Because it creates a sort of "interface" that service developers can plug into. | 14:56 |
| trown | I think a spec for something as big as composable roles makes a lot of sense | 14:56 |
| dprince | so I can document it there | 14:56 |
| shardy | slagle: agree - hopefully we can get the upgrades job providing some of that coverage asap | 14:56 |
| dprince | trown: the issue with specs is people want to get into implementation details. and the core team doesn't (often) agree on those :/ | 14:56 |
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| dprince | trown: and a review is a better place to hash out implementation details... | 14:56 |
| dprince | anyways. | 14:57 |
| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:57 |
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| dprince | shardy: do you want to mention the summit sessions etherpad? | 14:57 |
| shardy | Yeah can folks please add summit topics to here: | 14:57 |
| shardy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-tripleo-sessions | 14:57 |
| shardy | we have 5 sessions in total, plust a half-day meetup | 14:57 |
| shardy | we need to decide the top-5 topics, and I'll report those so the official agenda can be updated | 14:58 |
| dprince | shardy: looks almost like what we talked about last time :) | 14:58 |
| shardy | Yeah :( | 14:58 |
| shardy | I'll ping the ML too, I'd suggest we work out consensus via the ML given we always run out of time in these meetings | 14:59 |
| dprince | yep, sounds good | 14:59 |
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| shardy | for newton I'd like to consider less repeated agenda items to enable this as a better sync-point | 14:59 |
| dprince | thanks everyone, and lets continue the CI discussions in #tripleo to get it fixed ASAP | 14:59 |
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| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 5 15:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-04-05-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-04-05-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-04-05-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 5 15:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:00 |
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| matrohon | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| vthapar | hello | 15:01 |
| matrohon | hi pcarver, vthapar, timirnich | 15:01 |
| matrohon | I think tmorin is unavailable today, so I'll chair this meeting | 15:01 |
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| matrohon | #topic release | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | let's check what's needed to have our mitaka release | 15:02 |
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| matrohon | apart from vthapar's patch, I don't think we need anything else in the mitaka release | 15:05 |
| matrohon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1560842 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560842 in bgpvpn "Add precommit validations in ODL driver" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Vishal Thapar (vthapar) | 15:05 |
| vthapar | matrohon: somewhat related question, will we be backporting pre-commit to liberty? | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | vthapar, I don't think so, it's a feature addiction, not a bug fix, the stable team will probably not accept it | 15:06 |
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| matrohon | s/addiction/addition :) | 15:07 |
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| matrohon | vthapar, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296289/3..4 | 15:07 |
| matrohon | vthapar, looks like only UTs are missing? | 15:07 |
| vthapar | one more thing... I was testing the patch and ran into an issue, maybe coz my understanding of how precommit is wrong. | 15:08 |
| matrohon | vthapar, what issue? | 15:08 |
| vthapar | when I Call find_bgpvpns_for_network() it also returns the bgpvpn currently being associated. | 15:08 |
| vthapar | so, if bgpvpns: is always true... | 15:08 |
| vthapar | I had to do this to make it work: | 15:09 |
| vthapar | - if bgpvpns: | 15:09 |
| vthapar | + if bgpvpns and net_assoc['bgpvpn_id'] != bgpvpns[0]['id'] : | 15:09 |
| vthapar | wanted to check before pushing another patch, if this is expected or some gap in my understanding. | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | vthapar, well, you just give this method a net_id, so it returns any associated bgpvpns | 15:10 |
| vthapar | my assumption was that since it is fetching from db and this is precommit, it isn't in db yet and should return emtpy | 15:10 |
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| matrohon | vthapar, oh I see sorry! | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | vthapar, the find_bgpvpns_for_network() is called in the same session as the one used for the commit | 15:12 |
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| matrohon | vthapar, so in this session, the bgpvpn is already associated, but this session is not commited yet, so this entry is not really the DB, only in this sqlalchemy session | 15:13 |
| vthapar | aha, got it. this will help. | 15:13 |
| matrohon | vthapar, I'm calling pre_commit method, after the session.add | 15:13 |
| enikher | hey, sorry I am later | 15:13 |
| enikher | late | 15:13 |
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| matrohon | enikher, hi | 15:13 |
| vthapar | I'll push this patch. take a look at rest of comments. if base code all looks fine, I'll get started on UTs also. I think create/update bgpvpn methods are good as is, so will get on the UTs for those first. | 15:14 |
| matrohon | vthapar, fine thanks | 15:14 |
| vthapar | with Niko back I got someone to pick brains for help with UTs :) | 15:14 |
| matrohon | vthapar, the session.add is done here : https://github.com/openstack/networking-bgpvpn/blob/master/networking_bgpvpn/neutron/services/service_drivers/driver_api.py#L132 | 15:15 |
| matrohon | vthapar, and then I call the precommit | 15:15 |
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| matrohon | and the I exit the with statement, which trigger the session.commit | 15:16 |
| matrohon | ok let's move on | 15:16 |
| matrohon | #topic gate tests | 15:16 |
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| matrohon | tmorin is struggling at running bgpvpn+bagpipe tests in the gate : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297260/ | 15:17 |
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| matrohon | enikher's past just need the approval from the neutron guys | 15:18 |
| matrohon | s/past/patch | 15:19 |
| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258522/ | 15:19 |
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| matrohon | mestery, dougwig, armax : can you help us having ^^ merge in infra? | 15:19 |
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| dougwig | matrohon: looking | 15:21 |
| matrohon | We'll propably have to clen up what tempest tests we really want to run in our gate, but that can be done in our rc files, as net-ovn does | 15:21 |
| matrohon | dougwig, thanks | 15:21 |
| matrohon | #topic open discussion | 15:23 |
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| matrohon | does want anyone want to discuss about something? | 15:24 |
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| matrohon | ok let's close this meeting | 15:26 |
| matrohon | #end-meeting | 15:26 |
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| matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 5 15:26:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-04-05-15.00.html | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-04-05-15.00.txt | 15:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-04-05-15.00.log.html | 15:27 |
| enikher | ok thanks | 15:27 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 5 16:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-04-05_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:00 |
| madhuri | o/ | 16:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 16:00 |
| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:00 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 16:00 |
| juggler | o/ | 16:00 |
| rebase | o/ | 16:00 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting adrian_otto madhuri yolanda strigazi Tango dane_leblanc rpothier juggler rebase yamamoto | 16:01 |
| hongbin | Let's begin | 16:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | #link https://github.com/openstack/python-k8sclient A new repo for k8s client | 16:02 |
| hongbin | Thanks dims for spliting the k8sclient out of Magnum tree | 16:02 |
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| madhuri | Thanks dims | 16:02 |
| hongbin | Magnum has the k8sclient in tree before | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | It will be pulled out of tree in the future | 16:03 |
| dims | yay | 16:03 |
| hongbin | Any question for that? | 16:03 |
| madhuri | Who will be managing it? | 16:03 |
| dims | madhuri : hongbin : the entire magnum core can do what it wants in the new repo | 16:03 |
| dims | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1348,members | 16:04 |
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| dims | i can help with making releases | 16:04 |
| muralia_ | o/ | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | Thanks dims | 16:04 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:05 |
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| hongbin | hongbin discuss with Kuryr PTL about the shared session idea (done) | 16:05 |
| hongbin | A shared session is scheduled to Thursday 11:50 - 12:30 for now (by using the original Magnum fishbowl slot) | 16:05 |
| hongbin | I expect we are going to discuss the networking solution with the Kuryr team at that session | 16:05 |
| hongbin | To confirm, is anyone not able to join the session? | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | what timezone? | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | central | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: local timzone | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | one sec | 16:06 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: In Austin | 16:06 |
| hongbin | I hope the schedule will fit into everyone. If not, please let me know | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | works for me. | 16:07 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: great | 16:08 |
| hongbin | #topic Plan for design summit topics | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-design-summit-topics Etherpad collaborating topics for Magnum Newton design summit | 16:08 |
| hongbin | We have 15 topics proposed | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | We need to choose 10 out of them | 16:09 |
| hongbin | What I am going to do is to ask everyone to vote on their favorite topic | 16:09 |
| hongbin | And I will select based on the feedback | 16:09 |
| hongbin | Any comment for that? | 16:09 |
| Tango | Vote on the etherpad? | 16:10 |
| hongbin | Tango: Yes (e.g. +1) | 16:10 |
| hongbin | To clarify, you can vote multiple topics if you like | 16:10 |
| hongbin | I will revisit the etherpad in next week | 16:11 |
| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | SKIP until we identify a list of essential blueprints for Newton | 16:11 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/newton List of blueprints for Newton so far | 16:11 |
| hongbin | Any comments on this? | 16:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:12 |
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| hongbin | 1. Enhance Mesos bay to a DCOS bay (Jay Lau) | 16:12 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090437.html Discussion in ML | 16:12 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/mesos-dcos The blueprint | 16:12 |
| hongbin | This topic has been discussed in the last meeting, and we are in disagreement | 16:13 |
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| hongbin | To summarize, Jay requests to add chronos framework into our mesos bay | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | dcos is not open source software. Has the issue with redistribution been addressed? | 16:14 |
| askb | o/ | 16:14 |
| hongbin | Chronos is a mesos framework for batch processing | 16:14 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: I am not sure about that | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | I don't think we should even consider it unless we are sure there are not licensing constraints for this. | 16:14 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: But the chronos is totally open source (I think) | 16:15 |
| Tango | 2 different issues? | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | this is something we can ask for assistance form the OpenStack BoD if we are uncertain about the legal implications of the decision. | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | all software we redistribute must be compatible with the Apache 2 license | 16:16 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: I can double-check that | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | otherwise the user will need to download and license it separately. | 16:16 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin confirm with OpenStack BoD about the legal implications of Chornos | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | s/Chronos/dcos/ | 16:17 |
| Tango | If third parties want to add support for their licensed software, what's the process? | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | #Link https://github.com/mesos/chronos/blob/master/LICENSE Chronos Apache 2 License | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/mesos/chronos/blob/master/LICENSE Chronos Apache 2 License | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: they contribute an open source driver to OpenStack | 16:18 |
| adrian_otto | and they allow the cloud operator to acquire and license the software/equipment that driver interfaces with. | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | but OpenStack does not ship with any proprietary software. | 16:19 |
| Tango | adrian_otto: Should DCOS follow this process? | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | If Magnum users want it, then yes. Are we convinced there is a strong enough demand signal for that? | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | Chronos looks fine as long as we use the software posted at https://github.com/mesos/chronos | 16:20 |
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| hongbin | Yes, I think we just considered Chronos at current stage | 16:21 |
| Tango | Jay should be able to provide an answer for DCOS support. | 16:21 |
| hongbin | DCOS could be considered later if needed | 16:21 |
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| jaypipes | I can indeed. | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | :P | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | hi jaypipes! | 16:21 |
| jaypipes | :) hi! | 16:21 |
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| hongbin | Besides the license issue, we also disagreed on how to add Chronos to mesos bay | 16:22 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto proposed to have a chronos bay in parallel with marathon bay | 16:22 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Is that correct? | 16:23 |
| hongbin | I and Jay Lau think chronos and marathon should be in the same bay | 16:23 |
| hongbin | That is there is a single mesos bay that has both marathon and chronos | 16:24 |
| hongbin | Let's debate this further if you like | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | I think they belong in different drivers | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | and each can share common code | 16:25 |
| Tango | We should be able to mix & match | 16:25 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: I think the point is how to let them to share the bay | 16:25 |
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| Tango | +1 | 16:25 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: For example, marathon & chronos shared the computing resources of the same bay | 16:26 |
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| Tango | Mesos is unique in that it can host multiple frameworks | 16:26 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: That is the key feature of mesos | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | yes, I understand that. We could have a post-setup hook that you could use to initialize a secondary driver. | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | but I feel strongly that we should not try to have an "everything you can possibly do with mesos" driver | 16:26 |
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| hongbin | Then, we are in disagreement again | 16:27 |
| hongbin | How about others. What are your opinions? | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | the trouble with this appraoch is that it's a slippery slope. Let's say we have Marathon and Mesos… then it follows logically that the next framework and the next all should pile on there as well. | 16:28 |
| Tango | I am not sure what the difference is with adding a secondary driver via a post-setup hook. The result is the same | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | Marathon + Chronos + ?? + ?? + ?? | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | yes, the freedom for the user is the same | 16:28 |
| madhuri | We should have support for both. It depends on user what framework they want | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | but we don't have an expectation to support every combination of every possible framework, and making them all work across upgrades. | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | that's a recipe for disaster. | 16:29 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: Agreed with you that we should not support every frameworks | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: But the case of marathon + chronos is different | 16:29 |
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| hongbin | adrian_otto: Most of the times, they are paired toghther | 16:29 |
| Tango | From what we are seeing, Mesos key benefit is to allow many frameworks to share resources. | 16:30 |
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| adrian_otto | so because we know there are a variety of these, we should have a way to support the prevailing ones individually, and provide an option to use them in combination that does not bind us to do full integration testing of each combination. | 16:30 |
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| hongbin | OK. Let's push the discussion into ML | 16:31 |
| Tango | I guess the concern is about our responsibility for testing all combination. | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | I'm trying to make a point that we need to draw a line somewhere. | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin started an ML to discuss adding Chronos to mesos bay | 16:31 |
| hongbin | 2. Support bays with no floating IPs | 16:31 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/091063.html Discussion in ML | 16:32 |
| juggler | adrian_otto all valid points, thanks | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | this idea seems fine to me. | 16:32 |
| hongbin | Yes. Fine to me as well, besides some technical details that I am not clear | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | If we removed the floating IPs, how to let the bay connect outside | 16:33 |
| Tango | The nodes access the external internet via the router, not the floating IP | 16:34 |
| hongbin | Tango: I see | 16:34 |
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| Tango | Floating IP is mainly to allow access to the nodes from external network | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | if each bay node has a public ip, then they access external hosts the same way any nova instance would. | 16:34 |
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| Tango | If there is no need for users to log into the node, then we don't need floating IP | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | we would only need the COE API node to be externally accessible. | 16:36 |
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| Tango | Currently this is done via the load balancer, so we can even skip the floating IP for the master nodes | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | but depending on what you start on each bay node, you may have an expectation that you can reach those from outside the bay | 16:37 |
| hongbin | True, if users don't need port forwarding | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | Carina users, for example can access the individual bay nodes directly from external hosts. | 16:37 |
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| adrian_otto | This simplifies the use of the native COE API (it shows what port mappings it knows about internally. They do not need to be translated into other addresses.) | 16:38 |
| hongbin | Tango: Egor pointed out there is a k8s feature that needs floating IP in the master node (called NodePort) | 16:38 |
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| Tango | I think there are use cases for both with and without floating IP, so providing an option to choose is probably the best. | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | +1 | 16:39 |
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| hongbin | Yes, sounds like we agreed on adding an opiton to remove the need of floating IPs | 16:39 |
| hongbin | Any opposing point of view? | 16:39 |
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| hongbin | #agreed Magnum will support an option to remove the need of floating IPs | 16:40 |
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| hongbin | I will draft a BP for that | 16:40 |
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| hongbin | OK. Let's discuss the topic in backlog since we have time | 16:40 |
| hongbin | Discussion of certificate storage | 16:41 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-barbican-alternative Etherpad summarizing the concern and a variety of options to address it | 16:41 |
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| hongbin | We have debated it in the ML heavily | 16:41 |
| hongbin | We can discuss it further right now, or leave it to design summit | 16:41 |
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| hongbin | Here is the problem: Magnum currently relied on Barbican to store TLS certificates | 16:42 |
| hongbin | That requires operators to install Barbican in order to get Magnum working | 16:43 |
| hongbin | However, operators don't like that | 16:43 |
| hongbin | So, it is better to ship Magnum independently (without hard requirements on Barbican) | 16:44 |
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| hongbin | We listed several options to remove the hard dependency | 16:44 |
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| hongbin | The details are in the etherpad | 16:44 |
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| hongbin | Any comments? | 16:45 |
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| hongbin | ........... | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | the use of a simple solution at first does (keystone) not preclude us from using a more sophisticated approach later (archer) | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | s/archer/anchor/ I hate autocorrect! | 16:47 |
| Tango | I can attest to the fact that arguing for Magnum adoption is already a challenge, asking for additional services just makes it harder. | 16:47 |
| hongbin | I preferred the keystone approach as well | 16:47 |
| hongbin | Tango: +1 | 16:48 |
| madhuri | +1 for keystone | 16:48 |
| hongbin | Could we all agree that we start with the Keystone approach? | 16:48 |
| adrian_otto | +1 because I proposed that to begin with | 16:49 |
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| madhuri | +1 | 16:49 |
| muralia_ | +1 | 16:49 |
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| juggler | +1 | 16:49 |
| Tango | It seems operators would have Keystone as one of the base component, so at least using Keystone at the beginning help adoption. | 16:49 |
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| Tango | +1 on Keystone | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | assuming we do agree, we do this knowing that the keystone credential store is not secure, and we should treat it as such. | 16:49 |
| hongbin | #agreed Magnum will leverage Keystone as alternative authentication machnism for k8s | 16:49 |
| askb | +1 on keystone | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | so as long as we are diligent about encrypting what we place in there, that's a suitable compromise in my view. | 16:50 |
| juggler | adrian_otto is a warning indicating such offered to an operator? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | yes, tha's in the BP now | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | Barbican will be the default | 16:50 |
| juggler | cool | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | and when you change it to keystone, it's to be accompanied by a warning | 16:50 |
| hongbin | We should have a clear document about the security implications of each option | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | so you'll see that in the config file upon making that change | 16:51 |
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| adrian_otto | hongbin: yes, definitely. | 16:51 |
| hongbin | OK. Any further comment on this topic? | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that was productive. | 16:51 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| hongbin | Please feel free to bring up topics that you like to discuss | 16:52 |
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| adrian_otto | maybe e wrap early? | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | +w | 16:54 |
| Tango | One question for the team: we just switch to using the public Atomic 23 image, which is very nice | 16:54 |
| Tango | but now there might be some motivation to switch back to a custom built image. Is there any concern? | 16:54 |
| hongbin | No from me | 16:55 |
| Tango | Reason: later Kubernetes release, cache docker images, ... | 16:55 |
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| hongbin | FYI, I drafted a BP to cache docker images into the glance image | 16:56 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cache-docker-images | 16:56 |
| hongbin | We need that to accelerate the bay provisioning speed | 16:57 |
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| Tango | ok, if there is no concern then we can proceed with building and trying out new images. | 16:57 |
| askb | related question to the team, any reason we choose f23 atomic image earlier over other options ? | 16:57 |
| askb | like coreos | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | askb, no important reason. We were following the path of least resistance. | 16:58 |
| hongbin | askb: The reason is the original Heat templates are authored by a RedHat folk | 16:58 |
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| hongbin | We copy his template to Magnum tree to speed up the development at the very beginning | 16:59 |
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| hongbin | OK. Let's wrap up | 16:59 |
| hongbin | Thanks everyone for joining the meeting | 17:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 5 17:00:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-04-05-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-04-05-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-04-05-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 5 17:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| madhuri | Madhuri Kumari | 17:01 |
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| tlashchova__ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | as usual todays agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 17:01 |
| ativelkov | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sergmelikyan | o/ | 17:02 |
| ksnihyr | o/ | 17:02 |
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| freerunner | o/ | 17:03 |
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| DmytroDovbii | o/ | 17:04 |
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| StanLagun | o/ | 17:04 |
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| EZPZ | o/ | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok I don't think we had any AI's from the previous meeting, so I'll skip right to status updates | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Status Updates | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | last week we've tagged RC2 for all our repos and RC3 for murano | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this week, I believe on Thursday 2.0.0 is going to be released =) | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | cheers and congrats to everyone on all the work we've done to make this release happen! | 17:06 |
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| ativelkov | Any chances for RC4? :) | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Since we won't be able to publish any RC's anymore — all the bugs we find/fix at this point are going to 2.0.1 | 17:07 |
| ativelkov | ah | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: nope =) I can dig up a letter from release team, saying that only release critical things can get merged at this point. | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and they promised to be super picky | 17:08 |
| ativelkov | I see | 17:08 |
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| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: meaning that we are not merging to 2.0.0 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1565577 ? | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1565577 in Magnum UI "murano-dashboard uses wrong horizon requirement" [High,In progress] - Assigned to aimee.ukasick (aimeeu) | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: we're merging it into stable/mitaka. It just won't make it into 2.0.0 | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090877.html | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | here's the letter from Doug about the release procedure at this point | 17:12 |
| freerunner | sergmelikyan: And it seems no one has responded to your letter about this bug. | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I believe that they're going to tag 2.0.0 themselves, actually. Gotta ask around in #openstack-release though | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Also — release team is going to remove tagging rights from us and during newton release procedure would be fully automatic and handeled throught openstack/releases repo | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090737.html | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298866/ | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | don't think this would affect us in some bad way, just want to make sure, that you guys are aware of this change | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok. I don't think I have any more news/updates | 17:16 |
| sergmelikyan | It's actually super cool :) I got too many new gray hair after few isssues during releasing Murano ) | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | yep, I hope this would prevent us from ever having a pythonclient release of 200 or smth ) | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, moving on | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Triaging bugs for stable branches | 17:19 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | last time we agreed to have bi-weekly meetings for that | 17:19 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've looked throught murano and murano-dashboard commits for past 3-5 weeks and have made a small list of bugs that we've fixed, that I belive are eligible for stable/liberty at least | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | here's an e-pad for those | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | +1 to each item | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So I'll give you folks a couple of minutes to look through it =) | 17:22 |
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| sergmelikyan | have only small concern regarding #1512710 | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | is this really counts as a bug? | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286363/ here is the fix | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286363/ | 17:23 |
| sergmelikyan | read through description - yeah... this is a bug | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | looks like an incorrect handling of icmp there. And a rather safe thing to backport. | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So unless there are any objections (which you can sound now or in the e-pad =)) I'm going to backport those to stable-liberty around tomorrow. | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | If any of you folks, has anything to add — feel free to add those to the etherpad. I plan to use and expand it for further meetings. | 17:25 |
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| madhuri | kzaitsev_mb: I have one. I will add it tomorrow | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: sure! please do =) | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | One more thing — I haven't yet looked through the client and agent patches. Would probably do this for the next meeting in 2 weeks. | 17:28 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, looks like there are no objections for these backports and no suggestions for new ones yet. Let's move on | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:30 |
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| sergmelikyan | by the way which version of client will be used in Murano | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | in Mitaka? =) | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 0.8.4 is that latest | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/index.html | 17:31 |
| kzaitsev_mb | search for 'python-muranoclient' there. it lists 0.8.0 and 0.8.4 versions as 1st and latest | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I actually have one more topic for open discussion | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun and I considered moving murano-agent to independent release model | 17:33 |
| kzaitsev_mb | (much like python-muranoclient) | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | makes sense | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | +1 | 17:34 |
| madhuri | I also have to discuss something | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the reason behind this is that 1) we always keep backward compatibility (at least expect to do it) and 2) cloud-init/DIB always installs the latest agent anyway | 17:34 |
| madhuri | Please let me know when I can start | 17:34 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd say that there are no reasons to not move agent to independent model =) | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'll leave this under idea tag and will make a commit to governance repos early in newton to change this and would raise the question one more time to allow everyone to chime in there ) | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #idea It seems a good idea to move murano-agent to independent release model | 17:37 |
| Nikolay_St | sorry, for being late, guys :( | 17:37 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: please go on with whatever questions you had ) | 17:37 |
| madhuri | Thanks! Ok so I am adding MagnumDockerHost to deploy container on Magnum cluster | 17:38 |
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| madhuri | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300825/ | 17:38 |
| madhuri | So my question is can I add this application to magnum-app repo? | 17:39 |
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| madhuri | Sorry murano-app repo | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | that's a good question indeed ) | 17:40 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd probably say yes, but I'm not 100% sure =) | 17:42 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: sergmelikyan: your thoughts ^^ | 17:42 |
| madhuri | Can we teams' opinion on it? | 17:42 |
| madhuri | *have | 17:42 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: seems that most guys floated away )) | 17:43 |
| DmytroDovbii | madhuri: if you are planning to support it in th future, why not? | 17:44 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: the safe idea would be to upload it to murano-apps anyway | 17:44 |
| StanLagun | If the app is in murano-apps repo then murano team is free to make changes to it | 17:44 |
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| madhuri | Yes I will be supporting it | 17:44 |
| madhuri | And will also discuss with Magnum team about it | 17:45 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | at worst you're going to get downvoted =) | 17:45 |
| madhuri | One thing do we have any test to test this apps? | 17:45 |
| StanLagun | I mean that anybody can submit a patch and once it it there you lose control over it | 17:45 |
| freerunner | madhuri kzaitsev_mb So, IMHO, if this app is plugin-dependent, I would like to leave it as is. If this app is doesn't depend on plugin, it should be moved to murano-apps repo. | 17:46 |
| madhuri | So that we can be sure that some random Magnum change is not breaking it | 17:46 |
| freerunner | madhuri: We haven't any gate in murano-apps repo, unfortunately. | 17:46 |
| kzaitsev_mb | the plan is to have test gate at some point, we have murano-test-runner and unit tests for that. But I'm not sure when we're going to build it | 17:47 |
| madhuri | freerunner: This app is plugin dependent | 17:47 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: tbh I doubt we're going to have that difficultintegration jobs | 17:47 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: even if the app is plugin dependant — murano-apps seems like a better place for well | 17:48 |
| kzaitsev_mb | murano apps =) | 17:48 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Hm. But we have some different plugins with the apps, that stores in plugin dir. | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: to make sure that random change in magnum would not break anything in your app — you would need to test after smth is merged to magnum, not after smth is merged to murano/murano-apps | 17:49 |
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| freerunner | *stored | 17:49 |
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| madhuri | Yes but I suppose there should be test for some cross project apps | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: having plugins in murano code-base is correct. Having example apps close to those plugins is ok. Having production-grade apps in murano code-base is not a good idea | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: I don't think, that at this point it's time to setup such jobs, tbh ) | 17:51 |
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| madhuri | Yes agree | 17:51 |
| madhuri | And just for one app that is not good idea to add gate job | 17:51 |
| madhuri | Ok I will be tracking Magnum changes to make sure our app doesn't break | 17:52 |
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| madhuri | So I guess team has agreed to have this app in murano-apps. Right? | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: I'd say that if you feel, that the app becomes big/complex enough to be moved away from murano code (and to murano-apps) — you should move it there. | 17:53 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: So, then we need to add a corresponding README file for the app. | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: sure, we can point to the docs of the plugin and how to install and everything ) | 17:53 |
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| madhuri | Yes I can add that | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | madhuri: I'd say, yes. I don't like the idea to have a 500-1000 LOC app in /contrib/ in murano-code | 17:54 |
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| madhuri | Ok thanks team for this discussion:) | 17:55 |
| madhuri | I will do that soon | 17:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok! Thanks everyone for the meeting and see you in #murano | 17:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 5 17:59:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-04-05-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-04-05-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-04-05-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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