Tuesday, 2017-02-14

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masahito#startmeeting blazar09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 14 09:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is masahito. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'blazar'09:00
masahitohi all09:00
masahito#chair hiro-kobayashi priteau r-mibu09:01
hiro-kobayashihi09:01
openstackCurrent chairs: hiro-kobayashi masahito priteau r-mibu09:01
masahito#topic rollcall09:01
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masahitoo/09:01
r-mibuo/09:01
hiro-kobayashio/09:01
priteauo/09:01
GeraldKo/09:01
masahitoToday's agenda is...09:02
masahito1. Action items from last call09:02
masahito2. Loads to Ocata release09:02
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masahito3. Next meeting09:02
masahito4. +1 or +2 at Code review09:02
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masahito5. Pike cycle discussion09:02
masahitoanything else?09:02
masahitook, then move on to09:03
masahito#topic Action items from last meeting09:03
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masahitoI can see 3 items from last meeting09:04
masahito1. ACTION: migrate namespace climate to blazar by the end of Feb.09:04
masahito2. ACTION: review and update the doc in github wiki and doc/source09:04
masahito3. ACTION: write a release note that says 'instance reservation is not supported in Ocata'09:04
masahitoany update?09:04
hiro-kobayashi#1, masahito migrated the namespace, thanks!09:05
hiro-kobayashiI'm reviewing it now09:05
masahitohiro-kobayashi: ok, thanks09:06
priteauI will review your migration patches this week09:06
masahitopriteau: got it.09:06
hiro-kobayashiAnd I pushed blazar-nova patche related to masahito's patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433483/09:06
hiro-kobayashiPlease review it, too09:06
hiro-kobayashiThe biggest migration is for blazar repo09:07
hiro-kobayashiDoes anyone work on it?09:07
masahitoI'm not yet. I plant to start tomorrow.09:08
masahitohiro-kobayashi: if you're working I'll stop it.09:08
hiro-kobayashiNot yet09:08
masahitook09:08
hiro-kobayashimasahito: Thanks a lot!09:09
masahitowhen you start above a task, change bug assignee to yourself.09:09
masahitohttps://launchpad.net/blazar/+milestone/0.2.009:09
masahitoI listed all task that we need to finish by Ocata release in the link.09:09
priteauThank you very much for sorting Launchpad bugs and milestones09:10
priteauIt's well organized now09:10
GeraldKthanks masahito. that's quite useful09:10
masahitoonce all bug is marked "fix committed" we can release and stand great start points :-)09:11
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masahitoanother update is nothing, go to next09:11
hiro-kobayashiOh I hove one more update09:12
hiro-kobayashiabout action #309:12
hiro-kobayashiI pushed some patches related to release note. so please review them.09:13
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masahitohiro-kobayashi: sure09:13
hiro-kobayashiIf there should be more notes, please push patches like : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431320/09:13
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masahitothen...09:14
masahito#topic Loads to Ocata release09:14
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masahitoas I mentioned before I added O release (0.2.0 release) milestone in launchpad.09:15
masahito#link https://launchpad.net/blazar/+milestone/0.2.009:15
masahitoWhen we fix the bug in the list, we'll release it.09:15
masahitoany comments or idea?09:16
hiro-kobayashiI completely agree with the milestone.09:17
priteauLooks good too. I will check again the Etherpad to see if anything was missed.09:17
masahitothanks all.09:17
priteaucomment about https://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/1663204: I sent the email to openstack-dev, all Blazar cores, and the committer of the patch that changed the behavior. No answer yet.09:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1663204 in Blazar "Non-admin users cannot create reservations with default policy rules" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Pierre Riteau (priteau)09:17
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hiro-kobayashipriteau: thank you for handling it09:18
masahitopriteau: you have the exact way to solve it now?09:20
priteaumasahito: I know how to fix it. I will work on the patch this week.09:20
masahitopriteau: ok, then we can fix it. Thanks.09:21
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masahitolet's move on to next.09:22
masahito#topic Next weekly meeting09:22
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masahitoSome of us will be in PTG next week.09:22
priteauOur usual slot is in the middle of the night in Atlanta09:23
masahitoI think it's hard to join weekly meeting from Atlanta.09:23
hiro-kobayashiYeah, now it's 4 a.m. in Atlanta09:24
masahitoso do we have next weekly meeting or skip?09:24
masahitohiro-kobayashi: haha, I guess I'll be in flight09:24
priteauWe should skip the next meeting but keep in touch via Gerrit / Launchpad / email09:24
GeraldKpriteau: +109:25
masahito+109:25
hiro-kobayashi+109:25
r-mibu+109:26
masahitook, skip the next meeting but keep in touch.09:26
masahito#topic +1 or +2 at Code Review09:26
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GeraldKand -1 or -2 at code review09:27
masahitoI heard one problem in gerrit review board that after one of cores add CR +2 it hides others -1 in gerrit board.09:27
masahitoGeraldK: right.09:27
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masahitoIMO, there're two options for the problems.09:28
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priteaumasahito: I don't think the +2 hides the -1, but it enables the W+1 button, so the -1 reviews can be easily overlooked09:28
masahito1. After cores try to W +1, another core need to check -1 exists in the patch.  Of course, if the -1 is not related to the patch or like this, the core can push W +1 bottun :-)09:28
masahitos/After/ When/09:29
masahito2. When cores try to CR +2 the core uses +1 instead of +2. And then another core who tries to add W+1 adds both CR+2 and W+1.09:29
hiro-kobayashipriteau: it's hided in list view though09:30
masahitopriteau: IIRC, cores can push W+1 bottun anytime.09:31
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priteaumasahito: I mean the blue button that shows up when there is at least one existing +209:31
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masahitopriteau: got it.09:32
priteauI would be happy to go with option 2)09:33
hiro-kobayashiDo you know how it is managed in another projects?09:33
hiro-kobayashiI think it's better to follow major project's way09:34
masahitopriteau: when there is CR-2 at least one, does the blue button dissapear?09:34
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priteaumasahito: I think so. CR-2 means "blocks merging"09:34
masahitopriteau: From my understanding CR-2 means "blocks merging and *not required* the patch now"09:35
masahitoCR-1 means "blocks merging and needed some improvements for merge"09:36
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masahitofrom the meaning, I think -2 have too strong opinion to hide the blue button.09:37
masahitobut of course, we could missingly push the button.09:38
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priteaumasahito: I guess it depends on interpretation. When I used -2 I didn't want to offend anyone, but I strongly thought the patch should not be merged until further improvements where made, and there was already a +2 on it09:39
priteauby the way, there is this core reviewer guide: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/core.html09:39
masahitopriteau: I know you didn't want to offend anyone. of course.09:41
masahitopriteau: so, you think 2. looks better?09:42
priteaumasahito: I am not sure. It doesn't seem to follow what OpenStack documentation recommends.09:42
GeraldKsee also here: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html in section "Code Review"09:43
masahitohiro-kobayashi: r-mibu: GeraldK: how do you think?09:43
hiro-kobayashiI think it's better to follow major project's way. How is it managed in Congress?09:44
GeraldKIMHO, -1 should be used if we ask for some update of the code; -2 to be used for blocking the patch if you think it is harmful09:44
GeraldKIMHO, all -1 should have been addressed (either by taking it into account or by a reply that is explaining why it could not be taken into account)09:45
GeraldKbefore workflow +109:45
masahitoI think Congress doesn't follow OpenStack standards. The team uses option #2 because it's easy to see +2 or -1 in patch *list page*09:46
GeraldKIMHO, it is okay if a core votes +2. we can have the gentleman agreement that WF+1 is only pressed when you have checked all comments are addressed. usually, if there is a -1, this will anyway be removed once a new patch set is uploaded.09:47
hiro-kobayashimasahito: thanks09:47
GeraldKI am no core so anyway I am limited to -1/+1 so I will leave this decision up to you cores09:48
priteauGeraldK: +109:48
hiro-kobayashiGeraldK: +109:48
priteauChecking for all -1 before merging09:48
hiro-kobayashiyes09:48
masahitook,09:49
masahitowe have a great agreement :)09:49
masahitoAny comments for the topic?09:50
masahitoIf nothing, we can move to open discussion.09:50
masahito#topic Open Discussion09:51
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masahitoI'd like to start our new discussion to Pike09:52
masahitowe gathered some new features we want in the etherpad.09:52
masahitohttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Blazar_status_201609:52
GeraldKshall we organize the tasks similar to the Blazar 0.2.0 milestones launchpad?09:53
masahitoIIRC, most of us will be in Boston but we can start the discussion before Boston.09:53
hiro-kobayashiI’v been updating existing launchpad blueprints and adding some new blueprints for future release.09:54
masahitoGeraldK: right.09:54
hiro-kobayashi#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar09:54
hiro-kobayashiBut It's not completed yet09:54
hiro-kobayashiI’ve applied nova-specs template to all of blazar blueprints, for describing blueprints (and specs) in detail.09:54
masahitook, it looks like I should create a new milestone 0.3.0.09:55
GeraldKhiro-kobayashi: thanks. I think it is reasonable to align to nova specs09:55
hiro-kobayashiThen we will pick up blueprints for 0.3.009:55
hiro-kobayashiI thinks all ToDo have been listed in Launchpad blueprints09:56
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GeraldKso everybody should check if we miss some specs in the launchpad09:56
hiro-kobayashiPlease check it and add some blueprints if needed09:56
hiro-kobayashiGeraldK: yes please09:56
masahitohiro-kobayashi: just one question. Can we implements all new features by P?09:57
hiro-kobayashiI don't think so. So we have to prioritize them09:57
masahitohiro-kobayashi: if not, we should pick up hight priority new features.09:57
GeraldKshould we do this prioritization in Etherpad?09:58
hiro-kobayashimasahito: yes09:58
masahitoGeraldK: I think so.09:58
GeraldKmasahito: okay.09:58
masahitobecause we should focus on some features and it makes us have good progress.09:59
masahitoI think vote +1 to each features in the etherpad and pick up features from higher numbers.10:00
hiro-kobayashiOK10:00
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hiro-kobayashiAfter prioritize them, we will decide assignees10:00
masahitorunning out time10:01
GeraldKwe could copy&paste the list from launchpad to the etherpad as this list may be better organized that the current collection of ideas in the Etherpad. what do you think?10:01
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masahitoGeraldK: +110:01
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priteauGeraldK: merging them is a good idea10:01
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GeraldKokay. I will copy&paste later today.10:02
hiro-kobayashiThanks!10:02
masahitoGeraldK: thanks!!10:02
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masahitothen, thanks all!10:02
masahito#endmeeting10:02
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"10:02
openstackMeeting ended Tue Feb 14 10:02:53 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)10:02
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/blazar/2017/blazar.2017-02-14-09.00.log.html10:02
hiro-kobayashithanks all, bye!10:03
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priteauThanks everyone. Have a good trip to Atlanta10:03
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EmilienM#startmeeting tripleo14:00
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openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 14 14:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is EmilienM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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EmilienM#topic agenda14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'14:00
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bandinio/14:00
adarazso/o/14:00
EmilienM* review past action items14:00
chem/o~14:00
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shardyo/14:00
EmilienM* one off agenda items14:00
EmilienM* bugs14:00
EmilienM* Projects releases or stable backports14:00
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EmilienM* CI14:00
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EmilienM* Specs14:00
beagleso/14:00
EmilienM* Week roadmap14:00
EmilienM* open discussion14:00
EmilienMAnyone can use the #link, #action and #info commands, not just the moderatorǃ14:00
EmilienMHi everyone! who is around today?14:00
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marioso/14:00
shardyhey all14:00
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* EmilienM proposes a quick meeting so folks can get back to work14:01
ccamachoo/ hey guys14:01
hrybackio/14:01
EmilienM#topic review past action items14:01
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EmilienMEmilienM to create etherpad with list of granted FFE for ocata: done - all FFE are merged.14:01
EmilienMteam to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/overcloud-upgrades-per-service and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/overcloud-updates-per-service_fixup: still WIP14:01
mwhahahao/14:01
dtantsuro/14:02
EmilienMowalsh / EmilienM to work together on short term solutions for nova blockers: done.14:02
rbradyo/14:02
karthikso/14:02
michapma_alto/14:02
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EmilienMquick info on nova, we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432954 to be backported so stable/ocata Ci will work in tripleo14:02
jristo/14:02
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EmilienMowalsh: ^ we can catchup on that topic later14:02
EmilienMowalsh: I created a list of actions for this week: https://trello.com/c/zyzKZ9MX/65-ocata-tripleo-nova-placement-backport14:03
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EmilienMgfidente / EmilienM to help Dell to get Scale-IO on time for ocata https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422238/: done & thanks gfidente!14:03
EmilienMteam to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/octavia-service-integration: done14:03
EmilienMEmilienM to propose RC1 by end of this week if possible or next week: postponed to this week (hopefully)14:03
EmilienMEmilienM to double check about novajoin blueprint & ffe status: done, postponed to pike14:03
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EmilienMteam to look at ovs-2.6 blueprints and give feedback: done, approved for pike-214:03
EmilienMkarthiks post on ML about ovs-2.6 blueprints and ask for feedback: done14:03
EmilienMHigh - team to work on Critical / High bugs for ocata-rc1: WIP14:03
EmilienMMedium - team to finish features with granted FFE and help in review: done14:03
EmilienMLow - Pike planning - prepare specs, prepare PTG: done: schedule is ready: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ptg-pike14:03
EmilienM#info PTG schedule is ready, please review14:03
EmilienM#link PTG schedule https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ptg-pike14:03
pradko/14:04
marios=14:04
EmilienMany question / feedback before we jump to next topic?14:04
matbuo/14:04
fultonjo/14:04
EmilienM#topic one off agenda items14:04
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EmilienM#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:04
cdearborno/14:04
EmilienMno topic this week? let's move forward then14:04
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jristEmilienM: none14:04
jristyup14:04
EmilienM#topic bugs14:05
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EmilienM#link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-rc114:05
EmilienMthere are a bunch of High / Critical bugs in progress14:05
shardyAnd we're still working on landing a few remaining patches for composable upgrades14:06
shardyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tripleo-heat-templates+branch:master+topic:bp/overcloud-upgrades-per-service14:06
EmilienMI would ask folks to update their bugs if not done already14:06
mariosEmilienM: this one was filed today by mcornea...  https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1664304 the way we are planning on applying puppet wont work  but there is a fixup in progres https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433641/ and there are a number of folks testing14:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1664304 in tripleo "Upgrading compute nodes fails with: Error: Evaluation Error: Error while evaluating a Function Call, Could not find data item step in any Hiera data file and no default supplied at /etc/puppet/modules/tripleo/manifests/profile/base/ceph/client.pp:27:11 on node overcloud-novacompute-0.localdomain" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sofer Athlan-Guyot (sofer-athlan-guyot)14:06
shardyI'd suggest we declare the BP complete as soon as we land nova support, then handle any remaining upgrade issues as bugfixes?14:06
EmilienMand if you feel like the bug you're working on or you reported has a fix that needs to be backported, please tag is 'ocata-backport-potential'14:06
jrist+114:06
EmilienMshardy: works for me14:07
mariosshardy: yeah i think that one is pretty important though (as important as the nova one) and we'l have to land it for the 'basic' workflow14:07
mariosshardy: i mean the one ^^^ bug/166430414:07
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shardymarios: ack, thanks - yeah I just meant we can track things more closely via bugs vs the umbrealla blueprint14:08
EmilienM#action upgrade squad to move remaining work in bugs instead of blueprint14:08
shardysounds like we're already doing that, so it'd be good to close off the BP given the end-of-cycle deadline looming14:08
marios yes makes sense to me thanks shardy14:08
EmilienMshardy: do you want to do it now?14:09
EmilienMor wait for the tht/nova patch14:09
EmilienMfwiw, i'm ok to wait until Thursday14:09
shardyEmilienM: I was hoping we'd land the nova patch, but I'll sync with folks after the meeting so we can decide if that's going to happen very soon or not14:09
EmilienMok14:09
mariosshardy: EmilienM i think we are really close matbu has been updating it regularly14:10
EmilienMI would like to highlight a bug reported by bnemec yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/166441814:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1664418 in tripleo "HA deployments taking close to the CI timeout" [High,Triaged]14:10
EmilienMit's a bit concerning tbh14:10
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marioslots of folks owalsh and others helping to review14:10
matbushardy: for my side, im just testing a little fix, but then if owalsh and ansiwen is ok to land (on the latest revision) then it's cool14:10
shardymatbu: ack, Ok great, thanks for the update14:10
EmilienMwe might need some eyes on this bug report, if anyone has time to investigate ^14:11
shardywould be nice if we can land that before we branch rc114:11
matbuyep14:11
EmilienMcan you use links please?14:11
EmilienMI need to know which patch(es) exactly we're waiting for14:12
matbuyep14:12
matbusecs14:12
matbuhttps://review.openstack.org/40524114:12
EmilienMmatbu: that's all?14:12
EmilienM#info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405241/ is the last blocker before merging stable/ocata14:13
mariosEmilienM: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433641/ too i think ? shardy ?14:13
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matbuEmilienM: for the nova patch yes14:14
mariosshardy: i mean it is the one for the puppet apply bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/166430414:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1664304 in tripleo "Upgrading compute nodes fails with: Error: Evaluation Error: Error while evaluating a Function Call, Could not find data item step in any Hiera data file and no default supplied at /etc/puppet/modules/tripleo/manifests/profile/base/ceph/client.pp:27:11 on node overcloud-novacompute-0.localdomain" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sofer Athlan-Guyot (sofer-athlan-guyot)14:14
shardymarios: yes would be good to land that too, but anything with a bug reference we can backport14:14
EmilienMok, let's move forward14:14
EmilienManything else about bugs this week?14:14
mariosno pressure chem :D14:14
EmilienM#topic projects releases or stable backports14:15
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chemmarios: it's working 100% :)14:15
EmilienM#info Essential release blocker: composable upgrades14:15
EmilienMno major update to announce14:15
EmilienMI already sent a status on Sunday - feel free to ask questions14:15
EmilienMthe tl;dr is we expect to release tripleo ocata rc1 by Friday and we'll have stable/ocata by then14:15
EmilienM#action EmilienM to propose RC1 by end of this week (postponed)14:16
EmilienM#link Ocata release patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428416/14:16
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EmilienMany question about release management?14:16
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jristreminder to add release notes to patches now14:16
jristincluding ui!14:16
trowno/ apologies for the tardiness14:17
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EmilienMjrist: right, release notes for all projects that are released14:17
EmilienM#topic CI14:17
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EmilienM#info tripleo multinode upgrades job is currently broken: attempt to fix it with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433646/14:17
EmilienMexcept bnemec's bug report with timeout, OVB jobs & multinode (except upgrades) are working & pretty stable AFIK14:18
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shardywhen that's fixed we should probably move it into the check queue for tripleo-ci and make it voting on tripleo-ci & tripleo-heat-templates14:18
trown#info CI Squad meeting notes http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112036.html14:18
EmilienMmy main concern now is stable/ocata jobs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426231/ to have the ipv6 job we need the backport in nova14:18
jtomaseko/14:18
jristhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Cards_(UK_TV_series)14:18
jristoops14:18
jristlol14:18
EmilienMshardy: making it voting means moving to gate, not only check queue14:19
sshnaidmEmilienM, containers job is broken, testing now patch of jistr14:19
slaglemultinode jobs seem to have slown down a bit too14:19
shardyEmilienM: sure, I'm saying we should consider doing that, since it's been stable until this regression14:19
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EmilienMslagle: :( it might be related to the steps changes14:19
slaglei wonder if it's just b/c we have moved so much puppet stuff to run at earlier steps14:19
slagleso now we're running things an additional 2 or 3 times14:20
EmilienMto be honest, I would have avoided this change, but the thing with nova placement & cells was really required14:20
EmilienMslagle: well, resources are not supposed to be recreated at every puppet run, since puppet is idempotent14:20
EmilienMslagle: but the time to "check" the resources takes time, yes14:20
slagleand compiling catalogs, etc etc14:20
slagleidempotent really has nothing to do with it14:20
EmilienMright, I'm just saying it should not take that long but I'm probably under estimating14:21
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EmilienMslagle: we might want to take it offline after the meeting or this week, I would like to run some investigations14:22
EmilienMsshnaidm: ok thx for the info, any bug report?14:22
EmilienManything else about CI this week?14:23
sshnaidmEmilienM, yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/166456914:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1664569 in tripleo "Containerized overcloud fails due to missing EndpointMap parameter" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jiří Stránský (jistr)14:23
weshayyup14:23
EmilienMsshnaidm: thanks14:23
pandaall periodic jobs green today14:23
EmilienMsome good news :-)14:24
pandayeah, I feel like I'm on vacation.14:24
weshaylol14:24
panda.. and then I look at the review backlog14:24
EmilienMif you're bored, let me know we have a ton of bugs :-)14:24
beaglesjinx!14:24
EmilienMok next topic14:24
EmilienM#topic specs14:24
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:24
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EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tripleo-specs+status:open14:25
EmilienMI proposed a squad for Python 3. I would like to talk about it at PTG14:25
EmilienM#link Python 3 squad https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425294/14:25
EmilienM#action EmilienM to propose a Python3 session & invite RDO folks14:26
EmilienManyone wants to talk about a spec in particular?14:26
EmilienM#topic week roadmap14:27
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EmilienM#action High - team to work on last Critical / High bugs for ocata-rc114:27
EmilienM#link High - ocata-rc1 https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/ocata-rc114:27
EmilienM#action Medium - Pike planning - prepare specs, prepare PTG14:27
EmilienM#link Pike PTG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ptg-pike14:27
EmilienM#info Next week is PTG in Atlanta, no TripleO weekly meeting14:27
EmilienM#action jrist to finish House of Cards before PTG14:27
EmilienManything else we need to achieve this week?14:28
beagleslol14:28
jristlol14:28
jristthanks EmilienM14:28
EmilienMis it ok if we don't run a meeting next week?14:28
EmilienMI think most of us will be in Atlanta14:28
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EmilienM#topic open discussion14:29
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EmilienMdo we want to talk about the logo now?14:29
jristyes14:29
jrist:)14:29
EmilienMI forwared an email I got from marketing14:29
EmilienMforwarded*14:29
EmilienMfirst question: do we have strong opinions on keeping our current logo?14:30
EmilienMI remember dprince was a bit worried about that, though he's not here so I'll ask him offline14:30
shardyAFAICT keeping our current logo isn't actually an option?14:30
EmilienMshardy: why that?14:31
shardythe mail from Heidi says "But for official channels like the website, we need a logo to represent TripleO that’s cohesive with the rest of the set. "14:31
trownya, that was my understanding as well14:31
slagleright, there isn't really any option14:31
jristsadface14:31
EmilienMI find that weird tbh14:31
shardywhich to me implies, we can't keep our current logo for official/foundation use, we have to use one validated by the foundation14:32
rbradyit doesn't seem that much of the feedback was incorporated about the logo that we provided14:32
slaglewe have to accept their logo if we want to be included in "official" branding14:32
jristso Carlos asked if we can have them adapt the current one14:32
trownIF keeping current logo was an option, I would be +1 on that... but I dont think it is14:32
EmilienMwdyt about the proposed logo?14:32
* EmilienM will miss the real owl14:32
jristI think it looks like a falcon more than an owl14:32
shardyYeah, I prefer the current logo, and my feedback was basically "make it look more like the current logo"14:32
adarazsI think there were some good feedback about 'what was wrong with the new logo' besides "not liking it"14:32
jristand it has no personality14:32
shardybut I'm not sure what choice we have, other than perhaps asking to do more iterations on what has been proposed14:33
trownthere was also a request to have someone dedicated to working with the illustrator to iterate quickly on something more to our liking14:33
trownccamacho: would you want to do that ^14:33
EmilienMccamacho, jrist: would you be interested to propose a new logo that meets requirements? Or do we want to ask them to re-iterate on a new one?14:33
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jristI currently don't have access to illustrator but I could stab at it with inkscape14:33
rbradyif they are not willing to incorporate feedback from the project, the logo doesn't represent us anyway14:34
shardyI'm not clear if the requirements are defined, other than the illustrators have a common theme they're going for?14:34
ccamachohey trown EmilienM jrist sure14:34
trownjrist: I was not talking about the adobe program, but a real human :P14:34
EmilienMjrist: I think trown meant the person in charge of illustration14:34
shardyrbrady: I think the comment was the feedback recieved wasn't specific/actionable enough14:34
jristEmilienM: oh14:34
shardyso we probably can try to give more specific feedback to iterate towards something which everyone is OK with14:34
jristI was talking about adobe illustrator14:35
jristmy mac died14:35
ccamachothe thing is that I believe they didn't iterate from the first logo "the current logo" they did something from scratch14:35
shardyseems like a pretty poor use of developer time at this point in the cycle but <sigh>14:35
EmilienMshardy: I agree14:35
jristdid they happen to do any updates based on feedback?14:35
jristit doesn't seem like it14:35
trownfwiw ironic is having a similar issue14:35
EmilienMand I would continue offline if you don't mind, to let people doing their work14:35
ccamachosure14:35
shardyjrist: I think the concentric circles were added to attempt to encapsulate the OoO theme14:36
jtomasekyeah, too bad the illustrators did not take any of the feedback and reiterate on the logo14:36
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rbradyshardy: I guess I disagree on the actionable part.14:36
jristshardy: perhaps14:36
EmilienMjtomasek, ccamacho, jrist: do you want to take action and reply with graphical details on what you expect?14:36
jristsure but it might be violent14:37
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shardylol14:37
ccamachosure, Ill start a draft this afternoon/night14:37
jristoh no did I type that?14:37
jtomasekEmilienM, jrist we can try to propose illustrators to turn our logo into one that is compliant with general style14:37
shardylets keep it constructive ;)14:37
jristshardy: :)14:37
jristjust joking14:37
EmilienMI agree, let's be constructive and open :D14:37
EmilienMjtomasek: sounds like a good idea14:37
ccamachoI think the idea is con convert what we have to be compliant with the styles14:37
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ccamachoyeahp14:38
ccamachoagreed14:38
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shardyyeah - it'd be cool if we could propose a variation on the current logo that moves closer to the foundation themes14:38
shardykudos to anyone with the skills to do that /me doesn't :)14:38
EmilienMok I'll reply to Heidi using the thread on openstack-dev14:38
jristhaha but I dont' have your skills, that's why we're a team14:38
EmilienMdo we have any other topic for this week?14:39
EmilienM#action EmilienM to reply to Heidi and ask Design team to re-propose a new logo that would be a variation on the current logo that moves closer to the foundation themes14:39
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EmilienMthanks folks for your time!14:40
EmilienMjrist: enjoy TV shows14:40
EmilienMoh and see you next week14:40
trownlol14:40
EmilienM#endmeeting14:40
jristhaha14:40
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adrian_otto#startmeeting containers16:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 14 16:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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adrian_otto#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2017-02-14_1600_UTC Our Agenda16:00
adrian_otto#topic Roll Call16:00
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:00
strigazio/16:00
Drago1o/16:00
hieulq_o/16:00
jasondo/16:00
jvgrant_Jaycen Grant16:00
tonanhngoTon Ngo16:00
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adrian_ottohello strigazi Drago1 hieulq_ jasond jvgrant_ tonanhngo coreyob and vijendar16:01
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adrian_ottowelcome randallburt16:04
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chris_hultino/16:04
adrian_ottowelcome chris_hultin16:05
adrian_otto#topic Announcements16:05
adrian_otto1) Reminder: We will not have an IRC team meeting on 2017-02-21 because of the Atlanta PTG event.16:05
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adrian_otto2) I made a stable branch for magnum-ui16:05
adrian_ottowe will talk about branching magnum later in this meeting16:05
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adrian_ottowhen https://review.openstack.org/433203 merges, that will be the branch point16:06
adrian_ottofor magnum-ui, as the translation team needs it.16:06
adrian_ottoany other announcements from the team?16:07
adrian_otto#topic Review Action Items16:07
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adrian_otto(none)16:07
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adrian_otto#topic Blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:07
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adrian_ottoEssential Blueprints16:07
adrian_otto(1/3) #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi]16:08
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/flatten-attributes Flatten Attributes [strigazi]16:08
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adrian_ottostrigazi: any remarks on this?16:09
strigaziI work on finishing the cluster implementation and transactional writes/reads on the db16:09
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strigazi^^ cluster_template is complete but I can't push separately16:10
strigazithat's it16:10
adrian_ottook, any links to reviews you want the team to focus on?16:10
strigaziIt's only one review, I haven't updared last week16:10
strigaziIb586adb81e4bcb7e87f9b8ccd13bbbcb7cf5501f16:11
strigazihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/39501216:11
adrian_ottothanks strigazi16:11
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adrian_otto(2/3) Nodegroups16:11
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/nodegroups Nodegroups [Drago]16:11
Drago1The "name as positional argument" spec has merged, and jasond is working on implementation. I've pushed a new spec for the high-level approach to changing the heat templates to work with nodegroups https://review.openstack.org/433680/16:11
jvgrant_nodegroups and nodegroup CLI specs are still up for review as well16:12
Drago1Please give feedback. I've tried to cover things that people have been unsure about, but may not have covered everything16:12
jvgrant_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425431/16:12
jvgrant_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425422/16:12
pc_mlooking16:13
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adrian_ottothanks Drago1, jasond, and jvgrant_16:13
* pc_m sorry wrong window16:13
adrian_ottoany questions/remarks form the team on these?16:13
adrian_ottonp pc_m16:13
adrian_otto(3/3) Cluster Upgrades16:14
adrian_otto#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/cluster-upgrades Cluster Upgrades [strigazi]16:14
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strigaziI revised the spec here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433728/16:14
adrian_ottogreat, thanks strigazi16:15
Drago1strigazi: You still have "Request an upgrade with the cluster-update command" although in the latest rev you're adding an upgrade endpoint16:15
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Drago1My question though is will this endpoint have the same request body as update?16:16
strigaziIn the initial implementation yes16:16
adrian_ottodoes that give us a way to pass enough arguments to get the upgrade behavior that's desired by the actor?16:17
Drago1What were the reasons that update can't be used?16:17
Drago1I am afraid we'll have significant drift between update and upgrade and it will be confusing for users to know which to use16:17
strigaziyes, all the attributes can be passed. With the new endpoint we can add more upgrade specific params16:18
strigaziAlso upgrade will have different levels when restricting the input16:18
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strigaziupdate should focus in changing the size of certain params, like node-count volume size and potentially new ones16:19
Drago1Could you add a section comparing its intent with that of update?16:19
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adrian_ottoexample usage might make that more clear16:20
randallburt+116:20
strigaziupgrade will focus on upgrading to higher versions only and managing versions of the cluster components16:20
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Drago1We have had a long discussion on multiple update-like commands that each operate on different attributes16:20
strigazieg changing a driver param, network, volume is out of its context16:21
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Drago1What do you mean by a driver param?16:23
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adrian_ottoso, Drago1 to clarify your POV, you are seeking differentiation from the update command, or consolidation with it?16:23
strigaziIn that discussion we concluded that update is better for an initial implementation and it's confusing to change the node-count and the version and potentially something else.16:24
Drago1Both16:24
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adrian_ottoSorry, I don't understand.16:24
strigaziAlso how we can add option like batch-size in the update command?16:24
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Drago1I would like to see good reasons to not have everything consolidated in update16:25
adrian_ottostrigazi just cited two16:25
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strigaziUpdate can mean downgrade too. The most important is to add upgrade specific parameters. At the moment we have only batch-size16:26
Drago1Especially as hardcoded constraints and logic move out of the magnum engine and into the drivers16:26
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randallburtand they're good reasons, I think it would be good to ensure they're stated in the spec16:26
adrian_ottohow about this. For stakeholders here, let's plan to work on an etherpad that expresses the potential approaches in terms of example CLI usage16:26
strigazirandallburt ack16:26
adrian_ottoand we can use that to express the pro/con of each16:27
Drago1randallburt: right16:27
adrian_ottothat might speed up the spec work a bit?16:27
tonanhngogood topic for the PTG16:27
adrian_ottoagreed, tonanhngo16:27
randallburtmaybe we're jumping off the rails a bit. I think its being asked to include these examples/justifications in the spec16:27
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strigaziI'll add both option for review16:28
strigazis/option/options16:28
adrian_ottostrigazi: that would be helpful. Thanks.16:28
adrian_ottoany more on this topic before advancing to the next?16:28
Drago1From a high-level, as time goes on we have more and more attributes, some of which will not be implemented by all drivers. Then to add commands that are supposed to act on specific sets of those attributes… I think it will make magnum more confusing to use16:28
Drago1So I'd like to make sure we think about it well16:29
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Drago1That's all I have16:29
pc_mnp16:29
adrian_ottothanks Drago116:29
randallburtDrago1:  very true16:29
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Drago1thanks strigazi16:29
adrian_ottoOther Work Items16:29
adrian_otto#link https://review.openstack.org/430071 Magnum Development Policies16:29
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adrian_ottothis is an effort to write down our teams expectations for how we work together16:30
adrian_ottoI anticipate posting a revision today, and would appreciate wide input from our team16:30
Drago1I think it's looking really good16:30
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adrian_ottowe can touch on it for a moment now if you like.16:31
tonanhngoOnce it's merged, it might be worthwhile to post on the ML to share with other teams.16:31
adrian_ottoYes, there has been definite interest to taking some of the ideas and codifying them for wider use across the OpenStack ecosystem16:32
jvgrant_agreed, the updates since last week were good. the process for handling reverting patches is a good addition16:32
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adrian_ottojvgrant_: acknowledged. It's not perfect, but it will be improved further in the next revision16:32
adrian_ottoin the spirit of the content of this policy document, I want this to be a living document that tracks us as we change what we do. If something is not working, we'll adjust and revisit it together.16:33
jvgrant_adrian_otto: agreed. In general i like options on handling the rare exceptions instead of lots of complicated rules and definitions of all the complexities16:33
adrian_ottoyes, I think we are approaching the point where more detail won't be any more helpful :-)16:34
adrian_ottoany more remarks on this topic?16:35
adrian_otto#topic Changing magnum projects from cycle-with-intermediary to cycle-with-milestones16:35
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adrian_otto#link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html16:35
adrian_ottowe are currently using a cycle-with-intermediary model for magnum, python-magnumclient, and magnum-ui16:35
adrian_ottoI propose we change it to the more traditional cycle-with-milestones style, as we have been advancing in that direction.16:36
adrian_ottowhat are your thoughts?16:36
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randallburt+1 for cycle-with-milestones16:37
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strigaziIMO, in practice we do cycle-with-milestones16:37
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adrian_ottoyes, that's the spirit of what we have started doing, so I am confident we can meet expectations with it.16:37
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Drago1It looks like we've really been using the end-of-the-cycle style16:37
randallburtits a bit more rigour and pestering from infra and rel management, but I think its better overall to align with the bulk of openstack16:38
Drago1Have we really had intermediary releases?16:38
Drago1I'm +1 for milestones16:38
strigaziDrago1 no16:38
adrian_ottoDrago1: we have done it twice in the history of the project16:38
jasondalso +1 for milestones16:38
adrian_ottobut we have not announced those releases, so16:38
strigazicould we release the drivers separately?16:39
randallburtthe gates will be clogged at the same times anyway so might as well :)16:39
randallburtstrigazi:  probably not without breaking them out into separate repos16:39
strigaziThat was my thinking16:40
Drago1We have lots of common code now that lb and network was abstracted16:40
randallburtI'd be very ok with that16:40
Drago1Not saying that's a bad thing16:40
adrian_ottostrigazi: yes randallburt is right, drivers could each have a separate repo (with the same groups presiding over them to begin with) and could have different release models each as needed.16:40
strigaziok16:41
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randallburtI think we'd still have a subset that tracks with the normal cycle though. we have to have known good references16:41
Drago1If the release models are different, what do we do about the common code?16:42
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Drago1Common library? Pushing common code to each repo when it changes?16:43
adrian_ottoDrago1: I'm not sure yet16:43
strigazithe common code is more of a core component16:43
randallburtright, "common code" should be the driver interface and maybe the heat-based subclass.16:43
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strigazia driver release could be useful to update to let's say k8s 1.616:43
Drago1randallburt: We have common templates too16:44
randallburtand it just means we can release bugfixes and other stuff for drivers without releasing magnum16:44
randallburtDrago1:  that will need abstracting I think16:44
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Drago1randallburt: What do you mean?16:44
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randallburtright, we'll still be beholden to the magnum releases but aren't coupled to them for driver updates is all16:44
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randallburtDrago1:  moving common dependencies other than the driver interface out16:45
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adrian_ottook, we will regroup on this question next week as well16:45
adrian_ottogive it some thought16:45
randallburtgood idea16:45
Drago1randallburt: Still not sure :)16:46
adrian_ottowe have three items queued for Open DIscusstion16:46
randallburtwe might could also simply consolodate the things that share a template into a single driver16:46
adrian_ottoactually two items:16:46
adrian_otto#topic Open Discussion16:46
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adrian_otto1) Architecture Image is Outdated on Magnum wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Magnum, danil has created an image(http://imgur.com/a/af5BP) which can be reviewed and magnum wiki can be updated.16:46
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adrian_ottothat link has not worked for me yet16:47
adrian_ottoalthough our review process is suitable for source code its not great for reviewing and collaborating on image content16:47
strigazifor me it works but it needs a small revision16:47
Drago1I think the whole thing should be flipped right-to-left16:48
adrian_ottoso maybe what we can do for this is use an ML thread16:48
strigaziDrago1 why?16:48
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adrian_ottoso we can have the collaboration recorded, and have a muti-party discussion about it. I do agree it needs updating for sure.16:48
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Drago1So that the user flow is left-to-right16:48
strigazionly that?16:49
Drago1Yes16:49
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adrian_ottoThe last topic queued for today is:16:49
randallburtDrago1:  +116:49
adrian_otto2) When are we planning stable/ocata branch for magnum?16:49
adrian_ottonow, for reasons I am not yet allowed to disclose I have been intentionally delaying this action16:50
adrian_ottobut I can't continue to delay any longer.16:50
randallburtother than the secret reason, can we say "now"?16:50
adrian_ottohttp://paste.openstack.org/show/BqrWsYCTQKBW0gooB6VK/ Planned stable/ocata branch point16:50
adrian_ottothat's the point at which I would like to branch16:50
Drago1Whenever ocata is released16:50
adrian_ottothere are changes that we will need to apply to the new branch as well as master16:50
randallburtDrago1:  we branch before then16:51
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Drago1Right. Poor choice of words. Whenever ocata is ready for release16:51
Drago1Better?16:51
randallburtyep16:51
adrian_ottoright, so that means duplicate reviews, and some suboptimal processing while the branch is open prior to release16:51
Drago1*magnum ocata16:51
adrian_ottoif you are confused about what to post for review on the branch, please see me.16:52
randallburtadrian_otto:  without knowing the secret reason, its kinda hard to talk about branching then immediately backporting16:52
adrian_ottoIf I am unavailable, you may also consult strigazi for guidance16:52
adrian_ottorandallburt: I wish I could be more clear about this, but I can assure you that this confusion will be temporary16:52
randallburtsounds like a bad idea to cut the branch knowing we plan to cherry pick from the get go16:52
adrian_ottofor now, post your reviews to master16:52
adrian_ottoand yes, I will cherry pick a selection of work to the stable branch16:53
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Drago1Whatever secret thing you're doing, would it be sufficient to tag RCs?16:53
randallburtI think we're past RC's at this point aren't we?16:53
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adrian_ottoI'd rather not tag RC1 at this time16:53
adrian_ottobut I can branch.16:53
Drago1beta?16:53
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adrian_ottoyes, I can tag a beta16:54
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randallburtassuming there's sufficient justification I guess its ok to branch now and backport stuff16:54
randallburtbut certainly sub-optimal16:54
adrian_ottoyes, my other option is just to continue delaying for a bit longer16:54
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adrian_ottobut that's equally disruptive for other reasons16:55
randallburtthen I'd err on making the release train happy16:55
randallburtand branch so infra can do its things16:55
adrian_ottoso please accept my sincere apology for the lack of explanation here. I promise to clear it up as soon as I'm allowed.16:56
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adrian_ottowe have a couple of minutes remaining for other open discussion before we conclude today's meeting.16:57
Drago1Looking forward to seeing everyone at the PTG!16:58
adrian_ottoindeed!16:59
adrian_ottoOur next team meeting will be at 1600 UTC on 2017-02-28. Thanks for attending today!16:59
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adrian_otto#endmeeting16:59
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felipemonteiro#startmeeting murano17:00
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felipemonteiro#topic Roll Call17:00
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felipemonteiroo/17:01
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felipemonteiroHi learnmore_17:01
learnmore_Hello17:01
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learnmore_No one else joining?17:02
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kzaitsev_mbo/17:03
kzaitsev_mbhi folks )17:03
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: Hi17:03
learnmore_kzaitsev_mb:  Hi17:04
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felipemonteiro#topic Open Discussion17:05
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felipemonteiroThanks kzaitsev_mb for creating the stable/ocata release for murano: #link https://review.openstack.org/43360417:06
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learnmore_I have a question.   On the blueprints page for the new UI, there are 3 reviews listed.  I noticed all of them have been abandoned.  Does anyone know why?17:06
kzaitsev_mbfelipemonteiro: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/251,members here's the group for ptl17:06
kzaitsev_mbI'm not sure it does anything though =)17:07
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kzaitsev_mbhave just deleted myself from there17:07
kzaitsev_mbalso pls ping me for any  l-pad groups you want me to add you to17:07
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felipemonteirolearnmore_: Do you mean for example #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/dynamic-fields-on-service-details17:08
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: Thanks, will do. Did you see AJaeger's message to you yesterday? Asked about disabling python34 Jenkins gate for stable/mitaka17:09
felipemonteiro#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429051/17:09
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kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/43360417:09
kzaitsev_mblink only works if it's at the begining of the line )17:10
felipemonteiroThanks :)17:10
kzaitsev_mbnope, did not see that one.17:10
kzaitsev_mbwould do so today17:10
kzaitsev_mblet me fetch the logs17:10
kzaitsev_mbmy workstation got disconnected so I again lost my bot =(17:10
kzaitsev_mbshould probably launch a VM somewhere with the bot17:11
learnmore_felipemonteiro:  this is the one I was referring to:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/schema-driven-ui17:11
felipemonteiroThere's also an issue with KeystoneV2AuthProvider in the tempest gate for stable/mitaka17:11
felipemonteiro#link http://logs.openstack.org/51/429051/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-murano-api-ubuntu-trusty/e3d0fde/console.html.gz17:12
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kzaitsev_mbfelipemonteiro: so we need to investigate py34 job, or is it a known issue and we should just disable it right away?17:14
felipemonteirolearnmore_: That would be for the client-side. I wasn't around when development for that took place, so not sure. I would reach out to Timur Sufiev17:16
felipemonteiro#link https://launchpad.net/~tsufiev-x17:16
learnmore_felipemonteiro:  Thanks.  I will do that.17:17
kzaitsev_mb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23murano/%23murano.2017-02-13.log.html#t2017-02-13T18:56:4917:17
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: I'm wondering when py34 support was added to stable/mitaka. It's been causing issues for a while.17:17
felipemonteirolearnmore_: A lot of the server-side commits were merged though17:18
felipemonteiro#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/murano/+spec/muranopl-forms17:18
kzaitsev_mbugh there's a surge of stable/ocata patches )))17:19
learnmore_felipemonteiro:  Yes, It is very good that the server-side commits were done.  That gives us a good start.17:19
kzaitsev_mb#action kzaitsev_mb look into  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429051/ and py34 job for stable/mitaka17:20
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kzaitsev_mbI'll see what's wrong with the gates and whether we can fix it17:20
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felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: I need to look into py27 bug I see in stable/ocata release for murano too17:21
felipemonteiro#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433723/17:21
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felipemonteiroIt might be a very deceptive bug, having to do with mock (in another test file) mocking out something in a different test file17:21
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kzaitsev_mbfelipemonteiro: that one looks straightforward17:23
kzaitsev_mbwouldn't a simple 'http://foo_glare_url' fix the issue?17:24
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: Yes, I thought so too. Like I said, I'll look into it. It may be very easy to fix, or require chasing down a mock conflict like I said.17:25
kzaitsev_mboh, ok )17:25
kzaitsev_mbgates have this tendency to start falling apart around release time %)17:25
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felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: Also wanted to bring up what I think an Oracle dev wanted to remove:17:26
felipemonteiro#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429889/17:26
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felipemonteiroThey want to remove this, couldn't find any info on it. If we remove unsupported packages, then I don't see the problem.17:26
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kzaitsev_mbwell yep17:28
felipemonteiroI just think the timing is strange b/c it was merged in about 10 - 11 months ago17:28
kzaitsev_mbthe only thing is this was an example of integrating with an external service17:28
felipemonteiro#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266521/17:28
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kzaitsev_mbbut well, if folks don't want to support it anymore. I see little harm in actually removing the thing17:29
kzaitsev_mbit's still in git history you know17:30
kzaitsev_mbbut having some rationale would be great though17:30
kzaitsev_mboh, it's in the commit message17:30
felipemonteiroHe came into #murano last week and kept asking that it be removed17:31
kzaitsev_mbyep saw that, but was busy unfortunatelly =(17:31
felipemonteiroAny other open discussion items? Otherwise wanted to talk about PTG17:32
learnmore_So do you both agree that the package should be removed and will be?17:33
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learnmore_Just saw the +2 from Kirill.17:33
felipemonteirolearnmore_: Yeah, I just wanted advice, because this would be the first time for me removing a large chunk of code from murano17:34
learnmore_Onto the PTG, then17:35
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felipemonteiro#topic Atlanta PTG17:35
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felipemonteiroMost other teams are cancelling the IRC meeting next week, if there weren't any objections, I think we should do the same?17:36
kzaitsev_mbsure17:36
kzaitsev_mbthat's usual thing around summit/ptg events17:37
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felipemonteiroOk, I'll send out an openstack-dev reminder about that17:38
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: So far you and Stan Lagun said you'd meet in an unofficial capacity at the PTG. Was wondering what this would entail.17:40
kzaitsev_mbok, I actually have a bunch of things I'd love to discus on ptg as part of ptl transition and general direction )17:40
kzaitsev_mb1) release model/schedule17:40
kzaitsev_mbwe switched to cycle-with-intermediary in hopes of having faster, shorter releases17:40
kzaitsev_mbbut that didn't happen =(17:41
kzaitsev_mbso maybe it would be a good idea to switch back?17:41
kzaitsev_mbwe only have untill p-1 to do so17:41
kzaitsev_mb2) we had an initiative that ensured, that murano would be runnable on a prev version of openstack17:41
learnmore_what is p-1?17:42
kzaitsev_mbpart of that is gate-murano-tox-py27-mitaka branch17:42
kzaitsev_mbp-1 is for pike-117:42
kzaitsev_mbhttps://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html17:42
kzaitsev_mbpike-1 milestone17:42
learnmore_Thanks.  I am hoping that Pike will be released later this year.17:43
kzaitsev_mbhm. I thought I saw an email today with a compiled schedule17:43
felipemonteiroDo you mind updating https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-atlanta-ptg17:43
kzaitsev_mbwell yeah. the other option is cycle-with-milestones17:43
felipemonteiro#link https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html17:44
kzaitsev_mbsure, would do17:44
kzaitsev_mbso the question is — do we add tox-newton, delete tox-mitaka, leave both or delete both. It's an open question — on whether we would like to persue that idea17:45
learnmore_We are depending on some features in Pike and would like to see this released this year.17:45
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kzaitsev_mbwell I wouldn't have any hard feelings about the jobs )17:46
kzaitsev_mbjust want to have a consolidated opinion )17:47
kzaitsev_mbI think I'll explain the rationale we had behind them at the PTG17:47
felipemonteirolearnmore_: Which features? Could you be more specific :) If you attending the PTG, you could include your items on the etherpad too17:47
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: I'll need to look at the difference between tox-mitaka and tox-newton jobs first.17:48
kzaitsev_mblearnmore_: it's not about not adding new features. It's about being able to run murano code on -1 version of openstack code17:48
kzaitsev_mbor -2 =)17:48
kzaitsev_mbfelipemonteiro: that's the catch =) there is no such job )17:48
kzaitsev_mbnow is the time to create it17:48
kzaitsev_mbor update the tox-mitaka17:49
felipemonteiroDo you meangate-murano-tox-py27-mitaka-ubuntu-xenial?17:49
kzaitsev_mbor decide that we don't want it anymore )17:49
kzaitsev_mbyeah. it's not a universal job, that everyone has. We added it to murano to get some guarantee that it can run using only mitaka requirements17:49
kzaitsev_mbmy number 3 is glare related, but it's already on the list )17:50
kzaitsev_mb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-atlanta-ptg17:50
kzaitsev_mbbtw17:50
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: I believe Tempest has both newton and mitaka gates.17:50
kzaitsev_mbmfedosin: is going to attend =) the glare de-facto PTL )17:50
felipemonteiroThanks!17:50
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kzaitsev_mbfelipemonteiro: gate-murano-tox-py27-mitaka is a job, that runs tox -e py27-mitaka, not tempest ) nobody has it but us I believe )17:51
kzaitsev_mboh, you probably meant that tempest has similar gate jobs17:51
felipemonteirokzaitsev_mb: I meant the Tempest project has gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-trusty-mitaka and gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial-newton17:52
kzaitsev_mbyeah, got that a minute too late =)17:52
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felipemonteiroSo if I understood you, you want to add a new job for newton as well as mitaka to Murano? To check whether it runs correctly on -1 and -2?17:52
kzaitsev_mbI want to discuss if we need an old one, actually )17:54
felipemonteiroBtw, we have about 5 minutes left, so just wanted to ask about schedule. Even if we meet unofficially, I think we need to figure one out, otherwise I will email openstack-dev about scheduling.17:54
felipemonteiroFor me it doesn't matter since I live in Atlanta, but for everyone else, it does.17:54
kzaitsev_mbI'd suggest to crash into the community-app-catalog area )17:55
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kzaitsev_mbI'd like to meet the new PTL anyway17:55
kzaitsev_mbis there a schedule with rooms assigned, or smth like that anywhere?17:56
felipemonteiroYes, there's even one for cross-project collaboration, let me find it17:56
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felipemonteiroI'll forward it to you after the meeting, can't find it with the time we have left.17:58
felipemonteiroThanks everyone for meeting, I'll send out an email with more details17:59
kzaitsev_mbthanks!18:00
felipemonteiro#endmeeting18:00
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:00
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pvanecko/19:00
hogepodge\o/19:01
catherineD#link meeting agenda and notes,  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-02-1419:01
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sslypushenko_o/19:03
catherineDhi everyone .. let's start19:03
aimeeuHi - Aimee from the OPNFV team lurking19:03
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luzCo/19:04
hogepodgehi aimeeu, welcome!19:04
catherineDaimeeu: Hi Welcome, please add your topic in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-17-02-14 if needed ..19:04
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catherineD#topic     Finale RefStack mascot19:05
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catherineD#link     Finale RefStack mascot   https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5u0grlova3h4dtp/AAAadorRO7Mit4ndW0A_UhZha?dl=019:06
catherineDit looks really nice19:06
sslypushenko_awesome =)19:06
catherineDI have also submit a patch to update the refstack website19:06
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catherineD#topic No IRC meeting next week19:07
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catherineDsince a lot of us will be PTG, so we will cancel next week's IRC meeting ...19:07
luzC+119:08
catherineD#link if you have any topic for discussion at PTG please add to  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG19:08
catherineDaimeeu: thx for adding your topic there ..19:09
aimeeuyou're welcome!19:09
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aimeeuDo you have an idea yet where we will be on the agenda?19:10
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catherineDaimeeu: I think your topic needs the present of the Interop WG team .. so PTG with join Interop WG , RefStack and Interop Challenge is a good place for the discussion19:10
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aimeeuThat's Tuesday afternoon, right?19:10
catherineDI will suggest it to be Tuesday morning but19:11
catherineDoh19:11
catherineDTuesday afternoon is now schedule for Interop Challenge19:11
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catherineDaimeeu: are you only available Tues afternoon?19:12
aimeeuno - our schedule is open so Tuesday morning would work for us19:12
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catherineDthat is great need to confirm that at the Interop WG meeting tomorrow  .. but we should update the schedule with time slot19:13
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aimeeuGreat! I will keep an eye on the schedule19:13
catherineDany other thought before moving to the next topic ..19:14
catherineDhearing none ... moving on19:14
catherineD#topic  RefStack website update19:15
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catherineDso we did not meet our own target to update the site last Friday ..19:15
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catherineDwe need 3 patches to merge before we can do that ...19:16
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catherineDone of the review ineeded to be merged by refstack-puppet ..19:16
pvaneckthe puppet patch isnt critical in order to update the website19:17
catherineDpvaneck: ddecause pymysql is already installed?19:17
pvaneckpymysql will still be on the server. it's only really needed if they ever decide to rebuild the server19:17
catherineDok that is good ...19:18
catherineDso basically we need 2 patches and both of them are in our control19:18
catherineDlet's move to the reviews and see what we can do there ...19:18
catherineD#topic Pending reviews19:18
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catherineD#link Added tox target which checks requirements.txt   (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410443/   )19:19
luzCI think cryptography change should be merged first...19:19
catherineDluzC: yes19:20
catherineDyou are right19:20
catherineD#link Switch to cryptography from pycrypto (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431266/  )19:20
sslypushenko_Switch to cryptography from pycrypto (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431266/  ) merged )19:20
catherineDoh sslypushenko_: you did it again ...19:20
pvaneckawesome19:20
luzCI'll rework 41044319:20
pvaneckyea, was having trouble getting py35 func tests working with pycrypto19:21
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sslypushenko_It is a long story with pycrypto19:21
catherineDsslypushenko_: thank you! that is you did it before we called  on you :-)19:21
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pvanecksslypushenko_: yea, i saw one you issue comments in pycrypto haha19:22
sslypushenko_Main trend in openstack projects is to switch from pycryto19:22
sslypushenko_so we are in trends =)19:22
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catherineDfor the website update we always want to have the infra team around just incase if there is issue ,,,19:24
catherineDluzC: so if we have the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410443/ merge for PTG ...19:25
catherineDwe should be able to do the upgrade at PTG  ( I want to avoid doing anything on Thurs or Friday since people may start to travel )19:25
catherineDyour thoughts?19:26
luzCyes19:26
luzCI'll  submit a new patch today19:27
luzCso should be good for PTG (even before)19:27
catherineDluzC: great Thanks!19:27
catherineDmoving on ...19:27
catherineD#link Ensure pymysql is installed  ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429117/  )19:27
catherineDpvaneck: I guess since the next website update does not really depending on this we have sometime19:28
pvaneckyea, but can always leave a message in infra about it19:29
catherineDpvaneck: sure19:29
catherineD#link     Add scripts for running refstack-client in docker (  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430701/  )19:29
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catherineDsslypushenko_: I am building a VM with Docker ... should be able to test it soon ...19:30
catherineDthx for the patch19:30
sslypushenko_catherineD:  basically it should be safe to run these scripts locally on linux laptop19:30
sslypushenko_if you have linux laptop =)19:31
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catherineDsslypushenko_: yup .. unfortunately .. mine is Window .. :-(19:31
catherineDbut it should be no problem for me19:32
sslypushenko_anyway, any input  will be appreciated19:32
catherineDfor sure19:32
catherineDThat is all the topics for today ..19:33
catherineD#topic Open discussion19:34
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luzCsee u at ptg19:34
hogepodgesee you all there19:34
* garloff sighs19:34
catherineDyup19:35
sslypushenko_I have one more 1-line patch  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433867/ ... it will be nice to have it merged19:35
garloffHave fun at PTG!19:35
catherineDsslypushenko_: sure .... everyone please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433867/19:36
catherineDwe will target to update the website on either Monday or Tuesday next week ...19:36
sslypushenko_It will make review process a bit easier =)19:36
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catherineDoh I forgat about one more review19:37
catherineDplease review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433811/  --- this update our site with the new mascot ...19:38
catherineDit would be exciting to see the new mascot on the official RefStack website19:38
sslypushenko_+119:39
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catherineDI must be sleepy when working on the agenda :-(19:40
catherineDone more review19:40
catherineDUpdate default Tempest version to tag 14.0.0 (December 21, 2016)   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430063/19:40
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catherineDcurrently the default is a SHA in July ... definitely need update19:41
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catherineDthat should be all ...19:41
pvaneckmerged19:42
catherineDpvaneck: sslypushenko_: thank you!!!19:42
catherineDanything else for today?19:43
catherineDalright ... we can end 15 mins early today ....19:44
catherineDthank you everyone ...19:44
catherineD#endmeeting19:45
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