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aspiers | anyone around for the HA meeting? | 08:02 |
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beekhof | aspiers: howdy | 08:05 |
aspiers | hooray | 08:05 |
aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 08:05 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 08:05:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:05 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:05 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 08:05 |
aspiers | let's have a quick chat | 08:05 |
aspiers | maybe about the architecture diagram | 08:05 |
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beekhof | sounds like a good place to start | 08:06 |
beekhof | so the workflows are all done? | 08:06 |
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aspiers | no | 08:06 |
beekhof | oh | 08:06 |
aspiers | but does it make sense to you? | 08:07 |
beekhof | are mistral workflows HA yet? | 08:07 |
aspiers | as a way forward | 08:07 |
aspiers | I don't think so, let me check | 08:07 |
aspiers | #topic next generation instance HA architecture | 08:07 |
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aspiers | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8tqeaAn45VOWEh4RmgzVEJ1Ums/view?usp=sharing | 08:08 |
beekhof | what was fence_evacuate? | 08:08 |
aspiers | #info aspiers drew this diagram, make sure you open in draw.io to view properly | 08:08 |
aspiers | that was ddeja's old fencing agent | 08:08 |
beekhof | or at least in a size that doesn't require a magnifying glass :) | 08:08 |
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aspiers | https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate/blob/master/fence_evacuate.py | 08:09 |
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beekhof | nova compute wasn't talking to fence agents in our deployments | 08:09 |
aspiers | it's set to A3 paper size, I have no idea why it displays so small | 08:09 |
aspiers | you sure about that? :) https://github.com/openstack/openstack-resource-agents/blob/master/ocf/nova-compute-wait#L279 | 08:10 |
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aspiers | this was one of the decouplings which you and I agreed in one of these meetings a month or two | 08:11 |
beekhof | of course not, i always talk out of my butt :) | 08:11 |
aspiers | lol | 08:11 |
beekhof | thats compute _wait_ though. different agent | 08:11 |
aspiers | it was the same in NovaCompute | 08:11 |
aspiers | you just split NovaCompute into systemd + nova-compute-wait | 08:12 |
beekhof | we dont use that agent :) | 08:12 |
beekhof | right | 08:12 |
aspiers | nothing else about this aspect of the architecture is different | 08:12 |
beekhof | anyhooo... devil's advocate... if we get masakari in there, why both with fence_compute and attrd? | 08:12 |
beekhof | s/both/bother/ | 08:12 |
aspiers | #info previous architecture discussions in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-02-01-09.20.log.html | 08:13 |
aspiers | because we still need to queue evacuation work somewhere reliable | 08:13 |
beekhof | dude, stop using my own words against me :) | 08:13 |
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beekhof | didnt they already have the problem solved? | 08:13 |
aspiers | the idea is to decouple the failure monitor/notifier from the failure recovery controller | 08:14 |
aspiers | which would allow mix'n'match architectures | 08:14 |
aspiers | e.g. mistral without masakari, or masakari without mistral, or masakari+mistral, or something completely different (who knows, maybe Senlin can recover stuff) | 08:15 |
beekhof | so fence_compute can loose all the talking to nova functionality | 08:15 |
beekhof | and nova evacuate becomes multi-evac and talks to masakari | 08:16 |
beekhof | y? | 08:16 |
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aspiers | yes | 08:16 |
aspiers | or to whatever else | 08:16 |
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beekhof | is masakari monitoring VMs in this scenario? | 08:17 |
beekhof | or are we still at compute node failures only | 08:17 |
aspiers | this diagram is just for the latter | 08:17 |
aspiers | but yes I think the way masakari monitors VMs is good | 08:17 |
beekhof | if we're going to switch, i need to be able to sell it. VM monitoring might be the key to that | 08:18 |
aspiers | sure, exactly the same for me | 08:18 |
aspiers | I think masakari has lots of really good aspects | 08:19 |
aspiers | it's much more OpenStacky | 08:19 |
beekhof | do those requests need to be stored in attrd? | 08:19 |
aspiers | well they're not requests, just failures which still need to be delegated to a recovery workflow controller | 08:19 |
beekhof | gotta run. i'll be back in ~30 though | 08:19 |
aspiers | the controller decides what to do with them | 08:19 |
beekhof | hmmm | 08:20 |
beekhof | lets continue this soon | 08:20 |
aspiers | that gives us way more flexibility for different policies | 08:20 |
aspiers | ok, I'll close this meeting for now then | 08:20 |
aspiers | thanks - see you in #openstack-ha in 30 | 08:20 |
aspiers | BTW for the record, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ha was closed as obsolete in January | 08:22 |
aspiers | IIRC this was discussed in one of our weeklies around that time | 08:22 |
aspiers | #endmeeting | 08:22 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 08:22:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:22 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-03-29-08.05.html | 08:22 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-03-29-08.05.txt | 08:22 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-03-29-08.05.log.html | 08:22 |
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prometheanfire | tonyb_: ? | 10:00 |
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dirk | o/ | 10:02 |
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prometheanfire | dirk: guess nothing? | 10:05 |
dirk | prometheanfire: I'm okay with that | 10:08 |
prometheanfire | k | 10:09 |
dirk | I guess we need to find tonyb_ 's attention in the requirements channel and see if we should have a better time going forward | 10:09 |
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alexchadin | #startmeeting watcher | 13:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 13:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' | 13:00 |
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alexchadin | good morning/day/evening! | 13:00 |
vincentfrancois1 | o/ | 13:00 |
acabot | o/ | 13:00 |
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ostroverkhov | o/ | 13:01 |
alexchadin | #info Today we have the following agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#03.2F29.2F2017 | 13:01 |
alexchadin | #topic Announcements | 13:01 |
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alexchadin | Project Navigator will have new version soon. We need to know if Watcher may meet some Maturity criteria. #link http://devbranch.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/watcher | 13:02 |
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hidekazu | fancy mascot | 13:02 |
acabot | its been a long time the community is complaining about the project navigator…good to see some changes her | 13:02 |
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vincentfrancois1 | yeah that's good news :) | 13:03 |
alexchadin | There are items like supporting deprecations, having install guide, corporate diversity | 13:03 |
dtardivel | hi | 13:03 |
Yumeng_ | hi | 13:03 |
acabot | I would remove the monkey on your shoulders Alex ;-) | 13:03 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: how will they decide the maturity level? | 13:03 |
acabot | alexchadin : I dont know what kind of animal it is... | 13:04 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: there are seven items we need to meet to get maturity | 13:04 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: look at nova page: http://devbranch.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/nova | 13:04 |
acabot | we simply needs to add TC tags to the project | 13:05 |
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alexchadin | acabot: it is Malaysian Bear ;) | 13:05 |
acabot | alexchadin : ok go for the bear ;-) | 13:06 |
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dtardivel | alexchadin: why api version for watcher is N/A in the project dashboard ? | 13:06 |
alexchadin | dtardivel: I haven't contacted management team to give them remarks | 13:07 |
alexchadin | yet | 13:07 |
chrisspencer | o/ sorry, I'm late | 13:08 |
alexchadin | This page is still in development so if you have any questions and proposals, feel free to share them | 13:08 |
dtardivel | vincentfrancois1: is api version coded in our source code ? | 13:08 |
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alexchadin | dtardivel: we have v1 folder | 13:11 |
vincentfrancois1 | dtardivel: yes it's v1 | 13:11 |
vincentfrancois1 | and we have a version number in each controller | 13:11 |
alexchadin | Etherpad for Boston discussions will be created by EOW. Everyone is invited to suggest topics to discuss. | 13:12 |
vincentfrancois1 | dtardivel: https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/watcher/api/controllers/root.py#L73 | 13:12 |
alexchadin | We will have about 90 minutes on Forum | 13:12 |
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acabot | alexchadin : does it mean we will have only 90 minutes for watcher meetings ? | 13:13 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: can you give the etherpad link please? | 13:13 |
alexchadin | it is best place to chat with people interested in getting started on Watcher | 13:13 |
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alexchadin | acabot: I propose to define meeting times in etherpad | 13:14 |
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acabot | alexchadin : vincentfrancois1 & I will be in Boston | 13:14 |
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acabot | alexchadin : ok cool | 13:14 |
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alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-Boston-meetings | 13:14 |
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alexchadin | it just has been created | 13:15 |
alexchadin | I will update it soon with structure | 13:15 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: how about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Watcher-brainstorming? | 13:15 |
acabot | added to #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-etherpads | 13:16 |
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alexchadin | hidekazu: I've looked through proposed brainstorming from other projects and think that it would be redundant for us yet | 13:16 |
vincentfrancois1 | hidekazu: +1 | 13:16 |
acabot | hidekazu : BOS for Boston ? strange naming… :-) | 13:17 |
alexchadin | brainstorming means our project has achieved some point when we can get feedback from users | 13:17 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: ok, i understand purpose of BOS-Watcher-brainstorming. | 13:18 |
hidekazu | so we will have another meeting, right? | 13:18 |
alexchadin | it is the place where everyone can come and say "hi, your product works great in our production but there are some things to do" | 13:19 |
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alexchadin | hidekazu: yes, of course | 13:19 |
alexchadin | any other announcements? | 13:19 |
hidekazu | alexchadin: nice. | 13:19 |
alexchadin | well move on | 13:20 |
alexchadin | #topic Review Action Items | 13:20 |
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alexchadin | Watcher specs | 13:20 |
alexchadin | service-versioned-notifications-api needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/ | 13:20 |
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alexchadin | Vladimir is still waiting for your reviews ;) | 13:20 |
ostroverkhov | yep ) | 13:21 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: ostroverkhov: my bad | 13:21 |
acabot | I have added watcher-specs-core group as reviewers | 13:21 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: took too much time on other BPs and questions | 13:21 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: no problem with it | 13:22 |
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alexchadin | #action vincentfrancois1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/ | 13:22 |
alexchadin | workload-fingerprinting-fingerprint-visuzalization should be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/ | 13:22 |
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alexchadin | who knows IRC username of Ananth Narayan S? | 13:23 |
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acabot | ananth | 13:23 |
acabot | but you should probably ask sballe to get feedback on this | 13:24 |
chrisspencer | acabot: I have a meeting with ananth in a couple hours | 13:24 |
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alexchadin | acabot: since sballe_ won't be here during the meeting, will add it as action | 13:24 |
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acabot | and I’m not sure the bp workload-fingerprinting-fingerprint-visuzalization must be part of Pike... | 13:25 |
alexchadin | acabot: it is PoC so we can just discuss it yet | 13:26 |
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acabot | alexchadin : ok | 13:26 |
alexchadin | #action sballe_ chrisspencer get feedback from ananth about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/ | 13:26 |
alexchadin | workload-characterization-grammar needs to be answered by acabot #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ | 13:26 |
alexchadin | acabot: chrisspencer left comment for you | 13:27 |
acabot | alexchadin : I will thx | 13:27 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: both the fingerprint BP and the ironic BP talk about adding extra API endpoints, so we should be careful about it because APIs will have to be quite stable | 13:27 |
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alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: I suggest to add it as topic to discuss during the following Summit | 13:28 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: why not yes | 13:28 |
alexchadin | #action alexchadin add discussions of fingerprint BP to the Boston-etherpad | 13:29 |
alexchadin | audit-tag-vm-metadata should be reviewed again #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 13:29 |
dtardivel | I can review it | 13:29 |
alexchadin | hvprash provided new PS | 13:29 |
alexchadin | dtardivel: great! | 13:30 |
alexchadin | #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/ | 13:30 |
alexchadin | noisy-neighbor-dashboard needs to be answered by vincentfrancoise #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 13:31 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: here is some questions addressed to you | 13:31 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: I'll answer right away | 13:31 |
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chrisspencer | thanks vincentfrancois1 | 13:32 |
alexchadin | #action vincentfrancois1 give answers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/ | 13:32 |
alexchadin | cinder-model-integration needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/ | 13:32 |
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alexchadin | it is very interesting new BP so it would be great if almost everyone review it | 13:33 |
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alexchadin | who would like to review it? | 13:34 |
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vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: I'll try | 13:34 |
acabot | +1 | 13:34 |
alexchadin | #action vincentfrancois1 acabot alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/ | 13:35 |
alexchadin | background-jobs-ha needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447996/ | 13:35 |
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alexchadin | thanks to vincentfrancois1, I will provide new PS soon | 13:35 |
alexchadin | #action alexchadin provide new PS of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447996/ | 13:36 |
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alexchadin | Support workload fingerprinting needs new PS and answer questions #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448396/ | 13:36 |
alexchadin | chrisspencer: please remind about it too | 13:36 |
chrisspencer | alexchadin: +1 | 13:36 |
alexchadin | add-power-on-off needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/ | 13:37 |
alexchadin | Yumeng_: have you seen addressed comments? | 13:37 |
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alexchadin | seems that Yumeng_ is not here yet | 13:38 |
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alexchadin | #action Yumeng_ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/ needs new PS | 13:39 |
alexchadin | build-baremetal-data-model-in-watcher needs to be redefined with dtardivel #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/ | 13:39 |
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alexchadin | dtardivel: I've seen that there are some fundamental issues with the current PS | 13:40 |
dtardivel | +1 | 13:41 |
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alexchadin | #action Yumeng_ contact dtardivel to redefine https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/ | 13:41 |
alexchadin | Watcher | 13:41 |
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alexchadin | gnocchi support for strategies should be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/gnocchi-watcher | 13:42 |
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alexchadin | there is bunch of gnocchi-related commits that should be reviewed | 13:42 |
alexchadin | who would like to take a look at it? | 13:43 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: I reviewed 1 | 13:43 |
alexchadin | I may take workload-stabilization | 13:43 |
hidekazu | i will. | 13:44 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: but the comment needs to be copied over in all others | 13:44 |
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alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: the same issue with all others? | 13:44 |
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pksingh | Hello | 13:45 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: not written exactly the same, but fairly similar | 13:45 |
alexchadin | #action hidekazu vincentfrancois1 alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/gnocchi-watcher | 13:45 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: ok | 13:45 |
alexchadin | suspended-audit-state needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438800/ | 13:45 |
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alexchadin | I will take it | 13:46 |
alexchadin | #action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438800/ | 13:46 |
hidekazu | milestone of suspended-audit-state is pike-1. | 13:46 |
alexchadin | I see, we will merge it before | 13:47 |
alexchadin | dynamic-action-description needs to add notifications #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413893/ | 13:47 |
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alexchadin | seems that this commit was abandoned | 13:48 |
alexchadin | I will take a look at it and will se if someone else can take it | 13:48 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: I guess so | 13:48 |
alexchadin | audit-tag-vm-metadata needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443070/ | 13:49 |
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alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: have you resolved last issue with pksingh? | 13:50 |
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pksingh | alexchadin: i submitted new patch after comment incorporation | 13:50 |
pksingh | guys please have a look, when you get time | 13:50 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: pksingh: I'll try | 13:51 |
alexchadin | #action vincentfrancois1 alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443070/ | 13:51 |
pksingh | thanks vincentfrancois1 | 13:51 |
alexchadin | Added tempest test for workload_stabilization needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/ | 13:51 |
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alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: chrisspencer reported that there is a failure on 178 line of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/8/watcher_tempest_plugin/tests/scenario/test_execute_workload_balancing.py | 13:52 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: if someone can take over it I would be glad | 13:53 |
alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: got it, will mark | 13:53 |
alexchadin | dynamic-action-description needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/ | 13:53 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: I don't have a working devstack at hand right now... | 13:54 |
alexchadin | licanwei: is it ready to review? | 13:54 |
licanwei | alexchadin: yes | 13:54 |
alexchadin | #action alexchadin add watcher team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/ | 13:54 |
licanwei | and i'll still working for notification | 13:54 |
alexchadin | noisy-neighbor-strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451215/ | 13:55 |
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alexchadin | licanwei: will it come as another commit? | 13:55 |
licanwei | yes | 13:55 |
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Yumeng_ | alexchadin: i want to review it | 13:56 |
alexchadin | #action Yumeng_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451215/ | 13:56 |
alexchadin | Yumeng_: read log of meeting if missed something | 13:56 |
alexchadin | Watcher CLI & Dashboard | 13:56 |
Yumeng_ | alexchadin:ok | 13:56 |
alexchadin | Here is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450181/ from Yumeng_ | 13:57 |
alexchadin | already got +2 from licanwei, it need more core reviews | 13:57 |
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alexchadin | Unfortunately, we are out of time to start Open Discussions | 13:58 |
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alexchadin | I will announce it in our channel | 13:58 |
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alexchadin | and ML | 13:58 |
vincentfrancois1 | alexchadin: just W+1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450181/ | 13:59 |
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alexchadin | vincentfrancois1: nice! | 13:59 |
alexchadin | it is time to end meeting | 13:59 |
vincentfrancois1 | thanks | 13:59 |
alexchadin | have a nice day! | 13:59 |
hidekazu | thanks | 13:59 |
vincentfrancois1 | bye | 13:59 |
Yumeng_ | bye | 13:59 |
alexchadin | thank you | 13:59 |
chrisspencer | bye | 13:59 |
licanwei | bye | 13:59 |
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alexchadin | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 14:00:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-03-29-13.00.html | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-03-29-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/watcher/2017/watcher.2017-03-29-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 14:00 |
zhurong | hi | 14:00 |
devkulkarni | hi zhurong | 14:00 |
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devkulkarni | lets wait for a minute to see if anyone else joins | 14:01 |
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devkulkarni | alright, lets get started | 14:02 |
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devkulkarni | so the main topic for today's discussion zhurong is Boston summit | 14:02 |
devkulkarni | I heard back in the negative from OpenStack foundation on my application for travel support | 14:03 |
devkulkarni | so I won't be able to attend the summit | 14:03 |
devkulkarni | but looks like you might be able to go if you get visa | 14:03 |
devkulkarni | that is really good to know | 14:04 |
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devkulkarni | we have two slots at Boston -- one for project update and another for onboarding session | 14:04 |
devkulkarni | both are 90 minutes | 14:04 |
devkulkarni | if you are there, it would be good for you to lead these session | 14:05 |
devkulkarni | you have experience of this from Barcelona | 14:05 |
devkulkarni | it will be similar :) | 14:05 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong: thoughts/comments? | 14:06 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong_: ^ | 14:06 |
zhurong_ | sorry for the disconnect | 14:07 |
devkulkarni | I thought so | 14:07 |
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devkulkarni | no worries.. you can quickly take a look at my comments above | 14:07 |
zhurong_ | I can not receive the past message | 14:09 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: oh, let me quickly summarize then | 14:09 |
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devkulkarni | zhurong_: I heard back in the negative from OpenStack foundation on my application for travel support. but looks like you might be able to go if you get visa | 14:09 |
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devkulkarni | we have two slots at Boston -- one for project update and another for onboarding session | 14:09 |
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devkulkarni | if you are there, it would be good for you to lead these session. you have experience of this from Barcelona. | 14:10 |
devkulkarni | it will be similar | 14:10 |
zhurong_ | I will go there after I get the visa | 14:11 |
devkulkarni | sure | 14:11 |
devkulkarni | good luck for the visa interview :) | 14:11 |
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devkulkarni | it should go smoothly | 14:11 |
devkulkarni | once you know the result, we can start planning presentation etc. for the summit | 14:12 |
zhurong_ | sure | 14:12 |
devkulkarni | cool | 14:12 |
devkulkarni | I understand you need to leave early today | 14:13 |
devkulkarni | we can stop now | 14:13 |
devkulkarni | unless you have something else to discuss today | 14:13 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: ^ | 14:14 |
zhurong_ | seems nothing, If I have something to discuss, I will ping you in the channel | 14:14 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: sounds good. | 14:14 |
devkulkarni | thanks for joining today zhurong_ | 14:14 |
devkulkarni | see you next week (and in solum irc channel) | 14:15 |
zhurong_ | OK | 14:15 |
zhurong_ | Bye Dev | 14:15 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: cool. | 14:15 |
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devkulkarni | bye zhurong_ | 14:15 |
devkulkarni | I will stick around for some time to see if anyone else joins | 14:16 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: good luck | 14:16 |
zhurong_ | thanks devkulkarni hope for everything goes well :D | 14:16 |
devkulkarni | zhurong_: it will :) | 14:16 |
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zhurong_ | bye devkulkarni | 14:17 |
devkulkarni | bye zhurong_ | 14:17 |
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devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 14:30 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 14:30:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:30 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-03-29-14.00.html | 14:30 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-03-29-14.00.txt | 14:30 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2017/solum_team_meeting.2017-03-29-14.00.log.html | 14:30 |
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rkukura | hi ML2’ers! | 16:00 |
Sukhdev | Hi | 16:00 |
rkukura | Sukhdev: I thought you were out today? | 16:00 |
Sukhdev | Plans changed | 16:01 |
Sukhdev | Last minute | 16:01 |
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rkukura | Who else is here for the ML2 meeting? | 16:01 |
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rkukura | Sukhdev: I thought you mentioned that there was a meeting last week (which I missed), but I don’t see a log. | 16:02 |
rkukura | Am I confused? | 16:02 |
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Sukhdev | No. There was meeting last week | 16:03 |
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Sukhdev | rkukura: hmmm. I wonder why you did not see the logs | 16:03 |
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Sukhdev_ | rkukura: that will be strange - unless I mistyped the name of the meeting. | 16:04 |
rkukura | could be - you don’t see them either, I guess? | 16:05 |
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rkukura | Sukhdev_: Doesn’t seem anyone else is here for today’s meeting, so are you OK with skipping it? | 16:05 |
Sukhdev | Sure. | 16:06 |
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rkukura | Anything important I should know about from last week? | 16:06 |
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Sukhdev | We covered two patches | 16:08 |
rkukura | Anything blocking progress? | 16:09 |
Sukhdev_ | rkukura : I just checked the logs - you are right I do not see them either | 16:09 |
Sukhdev_ | rkukura : I must have mistyped the meeting name - I wonder if there is way to retrieve those? | 16:09 |
rkukura | Sukhdev_: Could be somewhere under http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ | 16:10 |
Sukhdev_ | right - looking there | 16:10 |
Sukhdev_ | rkukura : dont see them | 16:12 |
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rkukura | Sukhdev_: OK, lets catch up next week, hopefully with better turnout. | 16:12 |
Sukhdev_ | rkukura : sure - lets do that | 16:12 |
Sukhdev_ | rkukura : thanks | 16:12 |
rkukura | go back to sleep ;) | 16:13 |
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amrith | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 18:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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amrith | courtesy ping to attendees johnma slicknik aliadil spilla songjian trevormc apsarshaik | 18:00 |
amrith | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting | 18:00 |
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amrith | since there's no one here but me for the trove meeting, I'm going to end the meeting now. | 18:02 |
amrith | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 18:03:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-03-29-18.00.html | 18:03 |
johnma | o/ | 18:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-03-29-18.00.txt | 18:03 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-03-29-18.00.log.html | 18:03 |
amrith | oops, sorry johnma | 18:03 |
johnma | sorry amrith | 18:03 |
amrith | how're you | 18:03 |
johnma | its just me and you I guess. | 18:03 |
johnma | doing good Amrith, how about you | 18:03 |
amrith | living the dream | 18:03 |
johnma | I didnt have anything to discuss | 18:03 |
amrith | nor I | 18:03 |
johnma | :) | 18:03 |
johnma | I saw your mail. I think thats the best course | 18:04 |
amrith | I did want to talk with you abotu summit/forum | 18:04 |
johnma | yes absolutely | 18:04 |
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rm_work | o/ | 19:59 |
johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 20:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
johnsom | Hi folks | 20:00 |
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johnsom | Not a big agenda today, will probably be mostly talking about security groups | 20:00 |
jniesz | hello | 20:00 |
johnsom | Hi jniesz, welcome | 20:01 |
xgerman | o/ | 20:01 |
nmagnezi | o/ | 20:01 |
johnsom | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
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johnsom | I don't have much for announcements this week. | 20:01 |
johnsom | The octavia v2 API is merged/merging through pools so that is awesome. | 20:02 |
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diltram | o/ | 20:02 |
johnsom | The diskimage-builder project is now an infrastructure project. Hopefully that will bring some stability. | 20:02 |
johnsom | Any other announcements? | 20:02 |
johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 20:03 |
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xgerman | not so fast wanted to brag about being +2 on os-oansible-octavia | 20:03 |
johnsom | I have been focused on testing the API patches and working on PTL-ish things | 20:03 |
johnsom | Ha, ok congrats! | 20:03 |
jniesz | yes that has helped us a lot. thanks xgerman! | 20:04 |
xgerman | y.w. | 20:04 |
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xgerman | still some work todo over there :-) | 20:04 |
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rm_work | o/ | 20:04 |
johnsom | Really nice to have OSA support. I want to try that out. | 20:05 |
johnsom | I should also mention the service type is now load-balancer. That patch went in for infra and octavia. Maybe still pending on OSA | 20:05 |
johnsom | Hopefully that is behind us now. | 20:06 |
johnsom | Any other updates/patch discussions before we jump into security groups? | 20:06 |
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johnsom | #topic Continue discussion about security groups | 20:06 |
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jniesz | only update I had is that working on L3 active-active spec | 20:07 |
johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/445274 | 20:07 |
jniesz | have most of the framework | 20:07 |
jniesz | still need work on data model changes | 20:07 |
johnsom | jniesz Excellent. Is it posted for review yet? | 20:07 |
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jniesz | did you want me to post what I have or wait until more of the details for data model and specific Octavia changes? | 20:08 |
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johnsom | jniesz incremental is fine. You can post and mark it WIP. | 20:09 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:09 |
jniesz | ok | 20:09 |
johnsom | That way if we have time we can get started reading it. | 20:09 |
johnsom | Work In Progress (WIP) is a good way to go | 20:09 |
johnsom | That way we know it's not yet ready for full review | 20:09 |
johnsom | but being worked on | 20:10 |
jniesz | ok, I will mark it as WIP | 20:10 |
johnsom | Ok, so security groups. We ran out of meeting time last week discussing this. | 20:10 |
xgerman | yeah, so I checked with the author of the patch | 20:10 |
johnsom | Ok, it doesn't look like there are updated comments on the patch | 20:11 |
xgerman | no, he basically wants to restrict access to a list of servers | 20:11 |
xgerman | so access control lists would solve hois use case | 20:12 |
johnsom | So source IP ACLs basically | 20:12 |
xgerman | yep | 20:12 |
johnsom | Ok, that makes sense to me. | 20:12 |
xgerman | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lCaLWl9C/lbchain.png | 20:12 |
xgerman | he drew me a picture | 20:13 |
johnsom | We had a proposal last week about doing a policy/rules implementation similar to how we do L7. Is that still on the table? | 20:13 |
xgerman | I think this is what we ought to do | 20:13 |
rm_work | so... they're using LBs as Firewalls? | 20:14 |
rm_work | That is all I see here <_< | 20:14 |
xgerman | the securoty_group model is just too rich to reasonably map it to a load balancer ACL and most people only want an ACL | 20:14 |
johnsom | I like that approach as well. | 20:14 |
johnsom | rm_work we currently firewall down to the TCP port(s) on the load balancers. This would extend that to be able to restrict the source IPs for the VIP port as well. | 20:15 |
rm_work | right, but | 20:15 |
xgerman | +1 | 20:15 |
rm_work | isn't what they're looking for ... FWaaS? | 20:15 |
rm_work | I mean, we'd just be adding in FWaaS-Lite | 20:15 |
rm_work | sure, it's something we CAN do at our layer | 20:15 |
rm_work | but it violates the UNIX pipeline principle IMO | 20:16 |
rm_work | do one thing and do it well | 20:16 |
xgerman | that has always been the argument if we should just slap the other service on our port, or expose our port to the other servcie, or roll our own and make the othr service a driver | 20:16 |
johnsom | I think the issue with FWaaS is the VIP ports are owned by octavia/neutron and are not visible to the user to add FWaaS to them. | 20:16 |
rm_work | adding in firewalls-lite to LBs seems odd | 20:16 |
xgerman | we also don;t make you pass in a nova vm | 20:16 |
rm_work | hmm | 20:16 |
rm_work | ok, so if FWaaS *isn't usable* with LBs, that's a problem | 20:17 |
rm_work | maybe we should be addressing that? | 20:17 |
johnsom | Implementation wise, the default would just be implement them as security groups on the port. | 20:17 |
rm_work | or is there just no way to make that work, and adding this is just the compromise? | 20:17 |
xgerman | FWaaS/SG/QoS all work on the port | 20:18 |
rm_work | I just want to caution against increasing our scope to overlap the scope of another project | 20:18 |
xgerman | so we would need to expose the port somehow | 20:18 |
rm_work | unless we can show a clear reason why we need to | 20:18 |
johnsom | xgerman I'm not up to speed on FWaaS v2, is the blocker there that they don't own the port? Would our SG still be enforced under FWaaS? | 20:18 |
rm_work | ok, so maybe that's the clear reason? It is impossible to allow FWaaS to work with an LB? | 20:18 |
xgerman | johnsom FWaaS and SG complement each other so only hat both allow on the port would come through | 20:19 |
johnsom | So the issue is the user can't see the port to apply a FWaaS to it | 20:20 |
xgerman | yep | 20:20 |
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xgerman | now if we look at the use case: the use wants an ACL. he doesn’t care if we do it with haproxy, SG, or GWaaS | 20:21 |
xgerman | which looks like a driver to me | 20:21 |
nmagnezi | maybe this could be implemented as an optional driver somehow? (as suggested above) | 20:21 |
nmagnezi | i mean, optional driver in octavia | 20:21 |
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johnsom | Yeah, I think with ACLs there is flexibility as to how it's implemented. It could be an SG on the port or could be implemented by the vendor appliance. | 20:22 |
rm_work | i mean, i'm not saying we ABSOLUTELY CAN'T implement it the way suggested above | 20:22 |
rm_work | I just want us to be very certain it makes sense to do so | 20:22 |
johnsom | +1 | 20:22 |
diltram | +1 | 20:22 |
xgerman | +1 I think being able to apply SG, FWaaS, on our port is also valuable | 20:22 |
xgerman | but I think we can split that into a different problem | 20:23 |
xgerman | and we might be able to leverage SFC | 20:23 |
johnsom | I think allowing the user to pass in a SG is out of the question. I think it has too much potential to do harm to the amps. | 20:23 |
johnsom | Plus it gets very strange with port owned by project A and SG owned by project B | 20:24 |
xgerman | yep, I think those things on a port should be solved through SFC | 20:24 |
rm_work | like, actual harm somehow? or just "shoot self in foot" harm | 20:24 |
xgerman | like opening holes and making security hard | 20:24 |
rm_work | actually yeah i'm not sure neutron ALLOWS that | 20:24 |
rm_work | well, again, that'd be of the "shoot self in foot" variety | 20:24 |
rm_work | no? | 20:24 |
nmagnezi | rm_work, the latter, i think. for example an SG that conflicts with a lb listener | 20:24 |
johnsom | Well, right now we lock it down to the listener ports. We know that if any of the packages in the namespace open something it won't be exposed to the internet, etc. | 20:25 |
rm_work | right | 20:25 |
rm_work | so ... how much do we want to protect the user from themself, but in the process reduce functionality | 20:25 |
johnsom | Since we are owning the lifecycle of the amp, it seems risky | 20:25 |
xgerman | but id the user manages the SG he has to know if there are ports in pur implementation which should never be exposed | 20:25 |
rm_work | well | 20:25 |
rm_work | it's for the VIP right? | 20:25 |
rm_work | so... | 20:25 |
johnsom | VIP | 20:25 |
rm_work | we don't ever expose anything | 20:25 |
rm_work | or rather | 20:26 |
rm_work | there's nothing else open | 20:26 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, plus, think what happens if the sec group blocks the traffic between the amp agent to octavia services.. yikes. | 20:26 |
johnsom | Shouldn't be | 20:26 |
johnsom | nmagnezi That is a different port so wouldn't be impacted | 20:26 |
rm_work | nmagnezi: again, it's just the VIP | 20:26 |
rm_work | ah, though they could block HM | 20:26 |
rm_work | HM goes over VIP, no? | 20:26 |
rm_work | or just vrrp | 20:26 |
xgerman | keepalived goes over vip | 20:26 |
nmagnezi | oh, right. | 20:26 |
johnsom | No, but the VRRP and sticky do | 20:26 |
rm_work | yeah k | 20:26 |
rm_work | so they could block vrrp | 20:27 |
rm_work | which is a "shoot self in foot" situation | 20:27 |
johnsom | which triggers failover, which.... | 20:27 |
xgerman | well, which requires them to know what we do under the hood | 20:27 |
rm_work | does it trigger failover? | 20:27 |
xgerman | so let’s get back on the rail | 20:27 |
rm_work | yeah k agree | 20:27 |
xgerman | 1) ACL - yes/no | 20:27 |
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xgerman | 2) Way to apply FWaaS, etc. on port - which might be SFC | 20:28 |
johnsom | With FWaaS and SFC it gets back to the user experience argument of having to do something in three places where ACL is all in one place/call. | 20:28 |
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johnsom | Granted, I think that is why there are automation tools, but I hear this argument | 20:29 |
xgerman | that’s why I separated them into two issues | 20:29 |
xgerman | :-) | 20:29 |
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rm_work | if we really can't TECHNICALLY expose the port for them to add SGs to | 20:29 |
rm_work | which I think is actually true | 20:29 |
rm_work | then ... 1) Yeah, I guess that's fine | 20:30 |
xgerman | we can have ACL in Octavia and expose SFC for more complex use cses | 20:30 |
johnsom | Yeah, maybe | 20:30 |
xgerman | one day we need to play nice with others | 20:30 |
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johnsom | HA | 20:30 |
johnsom | We try to.... | 20:30 |
johnsom | What it comes down to is what we want is the ability to share a port, with restrictions, to the user. But I don't think OpenStack is there yet. | 20:32 |
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xgerman | well, I wouldn;’t necessarily share the port as long as we can bring it into a SFC they can slap FWaaS whatever on it | 20:32 |
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rm_work | what is SFC again? | 20:33 |
xgerman | Service Function Chain | 20:33 |
rm_work | ah k | 20:33 |
rm_work | yeah | 20:33 |
xgerman | yeah, they basically forward packages through different services which is basiclaly waht we want. Full control of our port and the traffic gets filteretd elsewhere | 20:34 |
xgerman | but there might be other ways to achieve that since SFC isn’t doing that hot | 20:34 |
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xgerman | but I like to tackle that independent from the ACL problem | 20:35 |
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johnsom | I haven't kept up with SFC, so I'm not sure what the state is or how easy/hard that would be | 20:36 |
xgerman | yeah, I think that is a future thing how we expose us to FWaaS and other servcies | 20:37 |
xgerman | I think it makes sense to have ACLs in Octavia since haproxy supports it | 20:39 |
xgerman | deep-packet-inspection likely not | 20:39 |
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johnsom | It does support both actually. I think how it's implemented should be flexible. Default is SG in neutron on the port, with a way drivers can do something different if necessary | 20:40 |
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xgerman | ok | 20:41 |
xgerman | as long as we make it a driver we should be good | 20:41 |
johnsom | Do we want another week to investigate other options or are we to a point we can give guidance on the RFE? | 20:41 |
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johnsom | Don't everyone speak up at once.... | 20:42 |
xgerman | I think having ACL in Octavia makes a lot of sense | 20:43 |
xgerman | we are going a different route with QoS but I think that’s ok | 20:43 |
johnsom | Me too. Does anyone else disagree? | 20:43 |
xgerman | (though in QoS we had comments to got he same route - add them to Octavia instead of taking a policy id) | 20:44 |
johnsom | I almost miss Stephen as he wasn't shy.... | 20:44 |
xgerman | yep | 20:44 |
xgerman | but he might come up with something crazy | 20:44 |
xgerman | rm_work? | 20:45 |
johnsom | The ACL path would allow for more advanced ACLs to be implemented in the future, such as on HTTP header fields, etc. | 20:45 |
rm_work | yeah, that's fine | 20:45 |
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johnsom | diltram nmagnezi jniesz Any comments? | 20:46 |
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diltram | johnsom: I'm ok with this | 20:46 |
jniesz | I think it makes sense | 20:46 |
jniesz | it is a missing gap and user might need to program ACL on the VIP port | 20:47 |
diltram | until it's all gonna be a driver we can always change this behaviour | 20:47 |
johnsom | Ok, thanks for the feedback. | 20:47 |
nmagnezi | johnsom, i don't know much about haproxy ACLs but from what I do understand it seem more of a "in house" solution for octavia that answer the requested usecase, so i tend to agree with xgerman and rm_work | 20:48 |
johnsom | We will give guidance down the ACL path. | 20:48 |
johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 20:48 |
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johnsom | Any other topics for today? | 20:48 |
xgerman | do we need to chat QoS? Or are we good? | 20:48 |
jniesz | I just had one issue to bring up | 20:49 |
johnsom | I think we decided that last week | 20:49 |
xgerman | k | 20:49 |
johnsom | Unless something new came up | 20:49 |
xgerman | reedip commented | 20:49 |
johnsom | jniesz Go ahead | 20:49 |
jniesz | macros.j2 template for the newton stable branch | 20:49 |
jniesz | the time check is missing the 's' | 20:49 |
johnsom | yes, that could be | 20:50 |
jniesz | timeout check {{ pool.health_monitor.timeout }} | 20:50 |
jniesz | i noticed this was fixed | 20:50 |
jniesz | but never back ported | 20:50 |
xgerman | so we need to backport | 20:50 |
jniesz | is that something we could backport in? | 20:50 |
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xgerman | absolutely! | 20:50 |
johnsom | Yeah, we can do that. | 20:50 |
jniesz | I noticed on our LB's today the backends were timing out : ) | 20:50 |
jniesz | health checks set at 2 ms | 20:51 |
jniesz | vs 2s | 20:51 |
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johnsom | Yeah, that falls into the stable policy for newton, so we can do that. I will take a look. I think we also need to fix some DIB issues on the stable branch and will need to do a release for that. | 20:53 |
jniesz | awesome, thanks! | 20:53 |
johnsom | Any other topics? | 20:54 |
nmagnezi | nop :) | 20:55 |
xgerman | I am good as well | 20:55 |
johnsom | Ok, thanks folks. Catch you next week or in our IRC channel | 20:55 |
diltram | thx | 20:55 |
diltram | cu | 20:55 |
johnsom | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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