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aspiersanyone around for the HA meeting?08:02
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beekhofaspiers: howdy08:05
aspiershooray08:05
aspiers#startmeeting ha08:05
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 29 08:05:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ha'08:05
aspierslet's have a quick chat08:05
aspiersmaybe about the architecture diagram08:05
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beekhofsounds like a good place to start08:06
beekhofso the workflows are all done?08:06
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aspiersno08:06
beekhofoh08:06
aspiersbut does it make sense to you?08:07
beekhofare mistral workflows HA yet?08:07
aspiersas a way forward08:07
aspiersI don't think so, let me check08:07
aspiers#topic next generation instance HA architecture08:07
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aspiers#link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8tqeaAn45VOWEh4RmgzVEJ1Ums/view?usp=sharing08:08
beekhofwhat was fence_evacuate?08:08
aspiers#info aspiers drew this diagram, make sure you open in draw.io to view properly08:08
aspiersthat was ddeja's old fencing agent08:08
beekhofor at least in a size that doesn't require a magnifying glass :)08:08
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aspiershttps://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate/blob/master/fence_evacuate.py08:09
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beekhofnova compute wasn't talking to fence agents in our deployments08:09
aspiersit's set to A3 paper size, I have no idea why it displays so small08:09
aspiersyou sure about that? :) https://github.com/openstack/openstack-resource-agents/blob/master/ocf/nova-compute-wait#L27908:10
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aspiersthis was one of the decouplings which you and I agreed in one of these meetings a month or two08:11
beekhofof course not, i always talk out of my butt :)08:11
aspierslol08:11
beekhofthats compute _wait_ though. different agent08:11
aspiersit was the same in NovaCompute08:11
aspiersyou just split NovaCompute into systemd + nova-compute-wait08:12
beekhofwe dont use that agent :)08:12
beekhofright08:12
aspiersnothing else about this aspect of the architecture is different08:12
beekhofanyhooo... devil's advocate... if we get masakari in there, why both with fence_compute and attrd?08:12
beekhofs/both/bother/08:12
aspiers#info previous architecture discussions in http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2017/ha.2017-02-01-09.20.log.html08:13
aspiersbecause we still need to queue evacuation work somewhere reliable08:13
beekhofdude, stop using my own words against me :)08:13
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beekhofdidnt they already have the problem solved?08:13
aspiersthe idea is to decouple the failure monitor/notifier from the failure recovery controller08:14
aspierswhich would allow mix'n'match architectures08:14
aspierse.g. mistral without masakari, or masakari without mistral, or masakari+mistral, or something completely different (who knows, maybe Senlin can recover stuff)08:15
beekhofso fence_compute can loose all the talking to nova functionality08:15
beekhofand nova evacuate becomes multi-evac and talks to masakari08:16
beekhofy?08:16
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aspiersyes08:16
aspiersor to whatever else08:16
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beekhofis masakari monitoring VMs in this scenario?08:17
beekhofor are we still at compute node failures only08:17
aspiersthis diagram is just for the latter08:17
aspiersbut yes I think the way masakari monitors VMs is good08:17
beekhofif we're going to switch, i need to be able to sell it. VM monitoring might be the key to that08:18
aspierssure, exactly the same for me08:18
aspiersI think masakari has lots of really good aspects08:19
aspiersit's much more OpenStacky08:19
beekhofdo those requests need to be stored in attrd?08:19
aspierswell they're not requests, just failures which still need to be delegated to a recovery workflow controller08:19
beekhofgotta run. i'll be back in ~30 though08:19
aspiersthe controller decides what to do with them08:19
beekhofhmmm08:20
beekhoflets continue this soon08:20
aspiersthat gives us way more flexibility for different policies08:20
aspiersok, I'll close this meeting for now then08:20
aspiersthanks - see you in #openstack-ha in 3008:20
aspiersBTW for the record, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ha was closed as obsolete in January08:22
aspiersIIRC this was discussed in one of our weeklies around that time08:22
aspiers#endmeeting08:22
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prometheanfiretonyb_: ?10:00
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dirko/10:02
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prometheanfiredirk: guess nothing?10:05
dirkprometheanfire: I'm okay with that10:08
prometheanfirek10:09
dirkI guess we need to find tonyb_ 's attention in the requirements channel and see if we should have a better time going forward10:09
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alexchadin#startmeeting watcher13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 29 13:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alexchadin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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alexchadingood morning/day/evening!13:00
vincentfrancois1o/13:00
acaboto/13:00
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ostroverkhovo/13:01
alexchadin#info Today we have the following agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#03.2F29.2F201713:01
alexchadin#topic Announcements13:01
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alexchadinProject Navigator will have new version soon. We need to know if Watcher may meet some Maturity criteria. #link http://devbranch.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/watcher13:02
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hidekazufancy mascot13:02
acabotits been a long time the community is complaining about the project navigator…good to see some changes her13:02
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vincentfrancois1yeah that's good news :)13:03
alexchadinThere are items like supporting deprecations, having install guide, corporate diversity13:03
dtardivelhi13:03
Yumeng_hi13:03
acabotI would remove the monkey on your shoulders Alex ;-)13:03
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: how will they decide the maturity level?13:03
acabotalexchadin : I dont know what kind of animal it is...13:04
alexchadinvincentfrancois1: there are seven items we need to meet to get maturity13:04
alexchadinvincentfrancois1: look at nova page: http://devbranch.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/nova13:04
acabotwe simply needs to add TC tags to the project13:05
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alexchadinacabot: it is Malaysian Bear ;)13:05
acabotalexchadin : ok go for the bear ;-)13:06
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dtardivelalexchadin: why api version for watcher is N/A in the project dashboard ?13:06
alexchadindtardivel: I haven't contacted management team to give them remarks13:07
alexchadinyet13:07
chrisspencero/ sorry, I'm late13:08
alexchadinThis page is still in development so if you have any questions and proposals, feel free to share them13:08
dtardivelvincentfrancois1: is api version coded in our source code ?13:08
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alexchadindtardivel: we have v1 folder13:11
vincentfrancois1dtardivel: yes it's v113:11
vincentfrancois1and we have a version number in each controller13:11
alexchadinEtherpad for Boston discussions will be created by EOW. Everyone is invited to suggest topics to discuss.13:12
vincentfrancois1dtardivel: https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/watcher/api/controllers/root.py#L7313:12
alexchadinWe will have about 90 minutes on Forum13:12
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acabotalexchadin : does it mean we will have only 90 minutes for watcher meetings ?13:13
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: can you give the etherpad link please?13:13
alexchadinit is best place to chat with people interested in getting started on Watcher13:13
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alexchadinacabot: I propose to define meeting times in etherpad13:14
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acabotalexchadin : vincentfrancois1 & I will be in Boston13:14
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acabotalexchadin : ok cool13:14
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alexchadinvincentfrancois1: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-Boston-meetings13:14
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alexchadinit just has been created13:15
alexchadinI will update it soon with structure13:15
hidekazualexchadin: how about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Watcher-brainstorming?13:15
acabotadded to #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-etherpads13:16
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alexchadinhidekazu: I've looked through proposed brainstorming from other projects and think that it would be redundant for us yet13:16
vincentfrancois1hidekazu: +113:16
acabothidekazu : BOS for Boston ? strange naming… :-)13:17
alexchadinbrainstorming means our project has achieved some point when we can get feedback from users13:17
hidekazualexchadin: ok, i understand purpose of BOS-Watcher-brainstorming.13:18
hidekazuso we will have another meeting, right?13:18
alexchadinit is the place where everyone can come and say "hi, your product works great in our production but there are some things to do"13:19
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alexchadinhidekazu: yes, of course13:19
alexchadinany other announcements?13:19
hidekazualexchadin: nice.13:19
alexchadinwell move on13:20
alexchadin#topic Review Action Items13:20
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alexchadinWatcher specs13:20
alexchadinservice-versioned-notifications-api needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/13:20
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alexchadinVladimir is still waiting for your reviews ;)13:20
ostroverkhovyep )13:21
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: ostroverkhov: my bad13:21
acabotI have added watcher-specs-core group as reviewers13:21
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: took too much time on other BPs and questions13:21
alexchadinvincentfrancois1: no problem with it13:22
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alexchadin#action vincentfrancois1 review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445817/13:22
alexchadinworkload-fingerprinting-fingerprint-visuzalization should be updated #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/13:22
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alexchadinwho knows IRC username of Ananth Narayan S?13:23
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acabotananth13:23
acabotbut you should probably ask sballe to get feedback on this13:24
chrisspenceracabot: I have a meeting with ananth in a couple hours13:24
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alexchadinacabot: since sballe_ won't be here during the meeting, will add it as action13:24
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acabotand I’m not sure the bp workload-fingerprinting-fingerprint-visuzalization must be part of Pike...13:25
alexchadinacabot: it is PoC so we can just discuss it yet13:26
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acabotalexchadin : ok13:26
alexchadin#action sballe_ chrisspencer get feedback from ananth about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448394/13:26
alexchadinworkload-characterization-grammar needs to be answered by acabot #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/13:26
alexchadinacabot: chrisspencer left comment for you13:27
acabotalexchadin : I will thx13:27
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: both the fingerprint BP and the ironic BP talk about adding extra API endpoints, so we should be careful about it because APIs will have to be quite stable13:27
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alexchadinvincentfrancois1: I suggest to add it as topic to discuss during the following Summit13:28
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: why not yes13:28
alexchadin#action alexchadin add discussions of fingerprint BP to the Boston-etherpad13:29
alexchadinaudit-tag-vm-metadata should be reviewed again #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/13:29
dtardivelI can review it13:29
alexchadinhvprash provided new PS13:29
alexchadindtardivel: great!13:30
alexchadin#action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391374/13:30
alexchadinnoisy-neighbor-dashboard needs to be answered by vincentfrancoise #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/13:31
alexchadinvincentfrancois1: here is some questions addressed to you13:31
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: I'll answer right away13:31
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chrisspencerthanks vincentfrancois113:32
alexchadin#action vincentfrancois1 give answers on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427308/13:32
alexchadincinder-model-integration needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/13:32
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alexchadinit is very interesting new BP so it would be great if almost everyone review it13:33
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alexchadinwho would like to review it?13:34
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vincentfrancois1alexchadin: I'll try13:34
acabot+113:34
alexchadin#action vincentfrancois1 acabot alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450173/13:35
alexchadinbackground-jobs-ha needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447996/13:35
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alexchadinthanks to vincentfrancois1, I will provide new PS soon13:35
alexchadin#action alexchadin provide new PS of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447996/13:36
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alexchadinSupport workload fingerprinting needs new PS and answer questions #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448396/13:36
alexchadinchrisspencer: please remind about it too13:36
chrisspenceralexchadin: +113:36
alexchadinadd-power-on-off needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/13:37
alexchadinYumeng_: have you seen addressed comments?13:37
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alexchadinseems that Yumeng_ is not here yet13:38
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alexchadin#action Yumeng_ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435436/ needs new PS13:39
alexchadinbuild-baremetal-data-model-in-watcher needs to be redefined with dtardivel #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/13:39
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alexchadindtardivel: I've seen that there are some fundamental issues with the current PS13:40
dtardivel+113:41
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alexchadin#action Yumeng_ contact dtardivel to redefine https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448016/13:41
alexchadinWatcher13:41
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alexchadingnocchi support for strategies should be reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/gnocchi-watcher13:42
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alexchadinthere is bunch of gnocchi-related commits that should be reviewed13:42
alexchadinwho would like to take a look at it?13:43
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: I reviewed 113:43
alexchadinI may take workload-stabilization13:43
hidekazui will.13:44
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: but the comment needs to be copied over in all others13:44
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alexchadinvincentfrancois1: the same issue with all others?13:44
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pksinghHello13:45
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: not written exactly the same, but fairly similar13:45
alexchadin#action hidekazu vincentfrancois1 alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/gnocchi-watcher13:45
alexchadinvincentfrancois1: ok13:45
alexchadinsuspended-audit-state needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438800/13:45
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alexchadinI will take it13:46
alexchadin#action alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438800/13:46
hidekazumilestone of suspended-audit-state is pike-1.13:46
alexchadinI see, we will merge it before13:47
alexchadindynamic-action-description needs to add notifications #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413893/13:47
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alexchadinseems that this commit was abandoned13:48
alexchadinI will take a look at it and will se if someone else can take it13:48
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: I guess so13:48
alexchadinaudit-tag-vm-metadata needs core reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443070/13:49
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alexchadinvincentfrancois1: have you resolved last issue with pksingh?13:50
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pksinghalexchadin: i submitted new patch after comment incorporation13:50
pksinghguys please have a look, when you get time13:50
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: pksingh: I'll try13:51
alexchadin#action vincentfrancois1 alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443070/13:51
pksinghthanks vincentfrancois113:51
alexchadinAdded tempest test for workload_stabilization needs new PS #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/13:51
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alexchadinvincentfrancois1: chrisspencer reported that there is a failure on 178 line of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393355/8/watcher_tempest_plugin/tests/scenario/test_execute_workload_balancing.py13:52
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: if someone can take over it I would be glad13:53
alexchadinvincentfrancois1: got it, will mark13:53
alexchadindynamic-action-description needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/13:53
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: I don't have a working devstack at hand right now...13:54
alexchadinlicanwei: is it ready to review?13:54
licanweialexchadin: yes13:54
alexchadin#action alexchadin add watcher team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450720/13:54
licanweiand i'll still working for notification13:54
alexchadinnoisy-neighbor-strategy needs reviews #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451215/13:55
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alexchadinlicanwei: will it come as another commit?13:55
licanweiyes13:55
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Yumeng_alexchadin: i want to review it13:56
alexchadin#action Yumeng_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451215/13:56
alexchadinYumeng_: read log of meeting if missed something13:56
alexchadinWatcher CLI & Dashboard13:56
Yumeng_alexchadin:ok13:56
alexchadinHere is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450181/ from Yumeng_13:57
alexchadinalready got +2 from licanwei, it need more core reviews13:57
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alexchadinUnfortunately, we are out of time to start Open Discussions13:58
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alexchadinI will announce it in our channel13:58
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alexchadinand ML13:58
vincentfrancois1alexchadin: just W+1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450181/13:59
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alexchadinvincentfrancois1: nice!13:59
alexchadinit is time to end meeting13:59
vincentfrancois1thanks13:59
alexchadinhave a nice day!13:59
hidekazuthanks13:59
vincentfrancois1bye13:59
Yumeng_bye13:59
alexchadinthank you13:59
chrisspencerbye13:59
licanweibye13:59
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alexchadin#endmeeting14:00
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devkulkarni#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 29 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting'14:00
zhuronghi14:00
devkulkarnihi zhurong14:00
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devkulkarnilets wait for a minute to see if anyone else joins14:01
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devkulkarnialright, lets get started14:02
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devkulkarniso the main topic for today's discussion zhurong is Boston summit14:02
devkulkarniI heard back in the negative from OpenStack foundation on my application for travel support14:03
devkulkarniso I won't be able to attend the summit14:03
devkulkarnibut looks like you might be able to go if you get visa14:03
devkulkarnithat is really good to know14:04
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devkulkarniwe have two slots at Boston -- one for project update and another for onboarding session14:04
devkulkarniboth are 90 minutes14:04
devkulkarniif you are there, it would be good for you to lead these session14:05
devkulkarniyou have experience of this from Barcelona14:05
devkulkarniit will be similar :)14:05
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devkulkarnizhurong: thoughts/comments?14:06
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devkulkarnizhurong_: ^14:06
zhurong_sorry for the disconnect14:07
devkulkarniI thought so14:07
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devkulkarnino worries.. you can quickly take a look at my comments above14:07
zhurong_I can not receive the past message14:09
devkulkarnizhurong_: oh, let me quickly summarize then14:09
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devkulkarnizhurong_: I heard back in the negative from OpenStack foundation on my application for travel support. but looks like you might be able to go if you get visa14:09
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devkulkarniwe have two slots at Boston -- one for project update and another for onboarding session14:09
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devkulkarniif you are there, it would be good for you to lead these session. you have experience of this from Barcelona.14:10
devkulkarniit will be similar14:10
zhurong_I will go there after I get the visa14:11
devkulkarnisure14:11
devkulkarnigood luck for the visa interview :)14:11
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devkulkarniit should go smoothly14:11
devkulkarnionce you know the result, we can start planning presentation etc. for the summit14:12
zhurong_sure14:12
devkulkarnicool14:12
devkulkarniI understand you need to leave early today14:13
devkulkarniwe can stop now14:13
devkulkarniunless you have something else to discuss today14:13
devkulkarnizhurong_: ^14:14
zhurong_seems nothing, If I have something to discuss, I will ping you in the channel14:14
devkulkarnizhurong_: sounds good.14:14
devkulkarnithanks for joining today zhurong_14:14
devkulkarnisee you next week (and in solum irc channel)14:15
zhurong_OK14:15
zhurong_Bye Dev14:15
devkulkarnizhurong_: cool.14:15
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devkulkarnibye zhurong_14:15
devkulkarniI will stick around for some time to see if anyone else joins14:16
devkulkarnizhurong_: good luck14:16
zhurong_thanks devkulkarni hope for everything goes well :D14:16
devkulkarnizhurong_: it will :)14:16
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zhurong_bye devkulkarni14:17
devkulkarnibye zhurong_14:17
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devkulkarni#endmeeting14:30
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rkukurahi ML2’ers!16:00
SukhdevHi16:00
rkukuraSukhdev: I thought you were out today?16:00
SukhdevPlans changed16:01
SukhdevLast minute16:01
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rkukuraWho else is here for the ML2 meeting?16:01
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rkukuraSukhdev: I thought you mentioned that there was a meeting last week (which I missed), but I don’t see a log.16:02
rkukuraAm I confused?16:02
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SukhdevNo. There was meeting last week16:03
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Sukhdevrkukura: hmmm. I wonder why you did not see the logs16:03
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Sukhdev_rkukura: that will be strange - unless I mistyped the name of the meeting.16:04
rkukuracould be  - you don’t see them either, I guess?16:05
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rkukuraSukhdev_: Doesn’t seem anyone else is here for today’s meeting, so are you OK with skipping it?16:05
SukhdevSure.16:06
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rkukuraAnything important I should know about from last week?16:06
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SukhdevWe covered two patches16:08
rkukuraAnything blocking progress?16:09
Sukhdev_rkukura : I just checked the logs - you are right I do not see them either16:09
Sukhdev_rkukura : I must have mistyped the meeting name - I wonder if there is way to retrieve those?16:09
rkukuraSukhdev_: Could be somewhere under http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/16:10
Sukhdev_right - looking there16:10
Sukhdev_rkukura : dont see them16:12
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rkukuraSukhdev_: OK, lets catch up next week, hopefully with better turnout.16:12
Sukhdev_rkukura : sure - lets do that16:12
Sukhdev_rkukura : thanks16:12
rkukurago back to sleep ;)16:13
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amrith#startmeeting trove18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 29 18:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amrith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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amrithcourtesy ping to attendees johnma slicknik aliadil spilla songjian trevormc apsarshaik18:00
amrith#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting18:00
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amrithsince there's no one here but me for the trove meeting, I'm going to end the meeting now.18:02
amrith#endmeeting18:03
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Mar 29 18:03:00 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:03
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-03-29-18.00.html18:03
johnmao/18:03
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-03-29-18.00.txt18:03
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2017/trove.2017-03-29-18.00.log.html18:03
amrithoops, sorry johnma18:03
johnmasorry amrith18:03
amrithhow're you18:03
johnmaits just me and you I guess.18:03
johnmadoing good Amrith, how about you18:03
amrithliving the dream18:03
johnmaI didnt have anything to discuss18:03
amrithnor I18:03
johnma:)18:03
johnmaI saw your mail. I think thats the best course18:04
amrithI did want to talk with you abotu summit/forum18:04
johnmayes absolutely18:04
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johnsom#startmeeting Octavia20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar 29 20:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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johnsomHi folks20:00
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johnsomNot a big agenda today, will probably be mostly talking about security groups20:00
jnieszhello20:00
johnsomHi jniesz, welcome20:01
xgermano/20:01
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johnsom#topic Announcements20:01
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johnsomI don't have much for announcements this week.20:01
johnsomThe octavia v2 API is merged/merging through pools so that is awesome.20:02
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johnsomThe diskimage-builder project is now an infrastructure project.  Hopefully that will bring some stability.20:02
johnsomAny other announcements?20:02
johnsom#topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review20:03
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xgermannot so fast wanted to brag about being +2 on os-oansible-octavia20:03
johnsomI have been focused on testing the API patches and working on PTL-ish things20:03
johnsomHa, ok congrats!20:03
jnieszyes that has helped us a lot. thanks xgerman!20:04
xgermany.w.20:04
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xgermanstill some work todo over there :-)20:04
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johnsomReally nice to have OSA support.  I want to try that out.20:05
johnsomI should also mention the service type is now load-balancer.  That patch went in for infra and octavia.  Maybe still pending on OSA20:05
johnsomHopefully that is behind us now.20:06
johnsomAny other updates/patch discussions before we jump into security groups?20:06
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johnsom#topic Continue discussion about security groups20:06
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jnieszonly update I had is that working on L3 active-active spec20:07
johnsom#link https://review.openstack.org/44527420:07
jnieszhave most of the framework20:07
jnieszstill need work on data model changes20:07
johnsomjniesz Excellent.  Is it posted for review yet?20:07
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jnieszdid you want me to post what I have or wait until more of the details for data model and specific Octavia changes?20:08
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johnsomjniesz incremental is fine.  You can post and mark it WIP.20:09
xgerman+120:09
jnieszok20:09
johnsomThat way if we have time we can get started reading it.20:09
johnsomWork In Progress (WIP) is a good way to go20:09
johnsomThat way we know it's not yet ready for full review20:09
johnsombut being worked on20:10
jnieszok, I will mark it as WIP20:10
johnsomOk, so security groups.  We ran out of meeting time last week discussing this.20:10
xgermanyeah, so I checked with the author of the patch20:10
johnsomOk, it doesn't look like there are updated comments on the patch20:11
xgermanno, he basically wants to restrict access to a list of servers20:11
xgermanso access control lists would solve hois use case20:12
johnsomSo source IP ACLs basically20:12
xgermanyep20:12
johnsomOk, that makes sense to me.20:12
xgermanhttps://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lCaLWl9C/lbchain.png20:12
xgermanhe drew me a picture20:13
johnsomWe had a proposal last week about doing a policy/rules implementation similar to how we do L7.  Is that still on the table?20:13
xgermanI think this is what we ought to do20:13
rm_workso... they're using LBs as Firewalls?20:14
rm_workThat is all I see here <_<20:14
xgermanthe securoty_group model is just too rich to reasonably map it to a load balancer ACL and most people only want an ACL20:14
johnsomI like that approach as well.20:14
johnsomrm_work we currently firewall down to the TCP port(s) on the load balancers.  This would extend that to be able to restrict the source IPs for the VIP port as well.20:15
rm_workright, but20:15
xgerman+120:15
rm_workisn't what they're looking for ... FWaaS?20:15
rm_workI mean, we'd just be adding in FWaaS-Lite20:15
rm_worksure, it's something we CAN do at our layer20:15
rm_workbut it violates the UNIX pipeline principle IMO20:16
rm_workdo one thing and do it well20:16
xgermanthat has always been the argument if we should just slap the other service on our port, or expose our port to the other servcie, or roll our own and make the othr service a driver20:16
johnsomI think the issue with FWaaS is the VIP ports are owned by octavia/neutron and are not visible to the user to add FWaaS to them.20:16
rm_workadding in firewalls-lite to LBs seems odd20:16
xgermanwe also don;t make you pass in a nova vm20:16
rm_workhmm20:16
rm_workok, so if FWaaS *isn't usable* with LBs, that's a problem20:17
rm_workmaybe we should be addressing that?20:17
johnsomImplementation wise, the default would just be implement them as security groups on the port.20:17
rm_workor is there just no way to make that work, and adding this is just the compromise?20:17
xgermanFWaaS/SG/QoS all work on the port20:18
rm_workI just want to caution against increasing our scope to overlap the scope of another project20:18
xgermanso we would need to expose the port somehow20:18
rm_workunless we can show a clear reason why we need to20:18
johnsomxgerman I'm not up to speed on FWaaS v2, is the blocker there that they don't own the port?  Would our SG still be enforced under FWaaS?20:18
rm_workok, so maybe that's the clear reason? It is impossible to allow FWaaS to work with an LB?20:18
xgermanjohnsom FWaaS and SG complement each other so only hat both allow on the port would come through20:19
johnsomSo the issue is the user can't see the port to apply a FWaaS to it20:20
xgermanyep20:20
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xgermannow if we look at the use case: the use wants an ACL. he doesn’t care if we do it with haproxy, SG, or GWaaS20:21
xgermanwhich looks like a driver to me20:21
nmagnezimaybe this could be implemented as an optional driver somehow? (as suggested above)20:21
nmagnezii mean, optional driver in octavia20:21
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johnsomYeah, I think with ACLs there is flexibility as to how it's implemented.  It could be an SG on the port or could be implemented by the vendor appliance.20:22
rm_worki mean, i'm not saying we ABSOLUTELY CAN'T implement it the way suggested above20:22
rm_workI just want us to be very certain it makes sense to do so20:22
johnsom+120:22
diltram+120:22
xgerman+1 I think being able to apply SG, FWaaS, on our port is also valuable20:22
xgermanbut I think we can split that into a different problem20:23
xgermanand we might be able to leverage SFC20:23
johnsomI think allowing the user to pass in a SG is out of the question.  I think it has too much potential to do harm to the amps.20:23
johnsomPlus it gets very strange with port owned by project A and SG owned by project B20:24
xgermanyep, I think those things on a port should be solved through SFC20:24
rm_worklike, actual harm somehow? or just "shoot self in foot" harm20:24
xgermanlike opening holes and making security hard20:24
rm_workactually yeah i'm not sure neutron ALLOWS that20:24
rm_workwell, again, that'd be of the "shoot self in foot" variety20:24
rm_workno?20:24
nmagnezirm_work, the latter, i think. for example an SG that conflicts with a lb listener20:24
johnsomWell, right now we lock it down to the listener ports.  We know that if any of the packages in the namespace open something it won't be exposed to the internet, etc.20:25
rm_workright20:25
rm_workso ... how much do we want to protect the user from themself, but in the process reduce functionality20:25
johnsomSince we are owning the lifecycle of the amp, it seems risky20:25
xgermanbut id the user manages the SG he has to know if there are ports in pur implementation which should never be exposed20:25
rm_workwell20:25
rm_workit's for the VIP right?20:25
rm_workso...20:25
johnsomVIP20:25
rm_workwe don't ever expose anything20:25
rm_workor rather20:26
rm_workthere's nothing else open20:26
nmagnezijohnsom, plus, think what happens if the sec group blocks the traffic between the amp agent to octavia services.. yikes.20:26
johnsomShouldn't be20:26
johnsomnmagnezi That is a different port so wouldn't be impacted20:26
rm_worknmagnezi: again, it's just the VIP20:26
rm_workah, though they could block HM20:26
rm_workHM goes over VIP, no?20:26
rm_workor just vrrp20:26
xgermankeepalived goes over vip20:26
nmagnezioh, right.20:26
johnsomNo, but the VRRP and sticky do20:26
rm_workyeah k20:26
rm_workso they could block vrrp20:27
rm_workwhich is a "shoot self in foot" situation20:27
johnsomwhich triggers failover, which....20:27
xgermanwell, which requires them to know what we do under the hood20:27
rm_workdoes it trigger failover?20:27
xgermanso let’s get back on the rail20:27
rm_workyeah k agree20:27
xgerman1) ACL - yes/no20:27
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xgerman2) Way to apply FWaaS, etc. on port - which might be SFC20:28
johnsomWith FWaaS and SFC it gets back to the user experience argument of having to do something in three places where ACL is all in one place/call.20:28
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johnsomGranted, I think that is why there are automation tools, but I hear this argument20:29
xgermanthat’s why I separated them into two issues20:29
xgerman:-)20:29
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rm_workif we really can't TECHNICALLY expose the port for them to add SGs to20:29
rm_workwhich I think is actually true20:29
rm_workthen ... 1) Yeah, I guess that's fine20:30
xgermanwe can have ACL in Octavia and expose SFC for more complex use cses20:30
johnsomYeah, maybe20:30
xgermanone day we need to play nice with others20:30
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johnsomHA20:30
johnsomWe try to....20:30
johnsomWhat it comes down to is what we want is the ability to share a port, with restrictions, to the user.   But I don't think OpenStack is there yet.20:32
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xgermanwell, I wouldn;’t necessarily share the port as long as we can bring it into a SFC they can slap FWaaS whatever on it20:32
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rm_workwhat is SFC again?20:33
xgermanService Function Chain20:33
rm_workah k20:33
rm_workyeah20:33
xgermanyeah, they basically forward packages through different services which is basiclaly waht we want. Full control of our port and the traffic gets filteretd elsewhere20:34
xgermanbut there might be other ways to achieve that since SFC isn’t doing that hot20:34
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xgermanbut I like to tackle that independent from the ACL problem20:35
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johnsomI haven't kept up with SFC, so I'm not sure what the state is or how easy/hard that would be20:36
xgermanyeah, I think that is a future thing how we expose us to FWaaS and other servcies20:37
xgermanI think it makes sense to have ACLs in Octavia since haproxy supports it20:39
xgermandeep-packet-inspection likely not20:39
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johnsomIt does support both actually.  I think how it's implemented should be flexible.  Default is SG in neutron on the port, with a way drivers can do something different if necessary20:40
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xgermanok20:41
xgermanas long as we make it a driver we should be good20:41
johnsomDo we want another week to investigate other options or are we to a point we can give guidance on the RFE?20:41
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johnsomDon't everyone speak up at once....20:42
xgermanI think  having ACL in Octavia makes a lot of sense20:43
xgermanwe are going a different route with QoS but I think that’s ok20:43
johnsomMe too.  Does anyone else disagree?20:43
xgerman(though in QoS we had comments to got he same route - add them to Octavia instead of taking a policy id)20:44
johnsomI almost miss Stephen as he wasn't shy....20:44
xgermanyep20:44
xgermanbut he might come up with something crazy20:44
xgermanrm_work?20:45
johnsomThe ACL path would allow for more advanced ACLs to be implemented in the future, such as on HTTP header fields, etc.20:45
rm_workyeah, that's fine20:45
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johnsomdiltram nmagnezi jniesz Any comments?20:46
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diltramjohnsom: I'm ok with this20:46
jnieszI think it makes sense20:46
jnieszit is a missing gap and user might need to program ACL on the VIP port20:47
diltramuntil it's all gonna be a driver we can always change this behaviour20:47
johnsomOk, thanks for the feedback.20:47
nmagnezijohnsom, i don't know much about haproxy ACLs but from what I do understand it seem more of a "in house" solution for octavia that answer the requested usecase, so i tend to agree with xgerman and rm_work20:48
johnsomWe will give guidance down the ACL path.20:48
johnsom#topic Open Discussion20:48
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johnsomAny other topics for today?20:48
xgermando we need to chat QoS? Or are we good?20:48
jnieszI just had one issue to bring up20:49
johnsomI think we decided that last week20:49
xgermank20:49
johnsomUnless something new came up20:49
xgermanreedip commented20:49
johnsomjniesz Go ahead20:49
jnieszmacros.j2 template for the newton stable branch20:49
jnieszthe time check is missing the 's'20:49
johnsomyes, that could be20:50
jniesztimeout check {{ pool.health_monitor.timeout }}20:50
jnieszi noticed this was fixed20:50
jnieszbut never back ported20:50
xgermanso we need to backport20:50
jnieszis that something we could backport in?20:50
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xgermanabsolutely!20:50
johnsomYeah, we can do that.20:50
jnieszI noticed on our LB's today the backends were timing out : )20:50
jnieszhealth checks set at 2 ms20:51
jnieszvs 2s20:51
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johnsomYeah, that falls into the stable policy for newton, so we can do that.  I will take a look.  I think we also need to fix some DIB issues on the stable branch and will need to do a release for that.20:53
jnieszawesome, thanks!20:53
johnsomAny other topics?20:54
nmagnezinop :)20:55
xgermanI am good as well20:55
johnsomOk, thanks folks.  Catch you next week or in our IRC channel20:55
diltramthx20:55
diltramcu20:55
johnsom#endmeeting20:55
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