Wednesday, 2012-09-19

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openstackjgriffith: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'16:02
jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 19 16:02:52 2012 UTC.  The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:02
jgriffithRole call?16:03
jgriffithLooks like short meeting :)16:03
* bswartz is here16:03
jgriffithOhh... so close!16:03
jgriffithAlright, cool16:05
jgriffith#topic rc116:05
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jgriffithWe cut RC1 yesterday and I think we got everything we had slated in16:05
jgriffithThanks EVERYONE for all the work the past week16:05
jgriffithESPECIALLY all the work on syncing back to Nova16:06
creihtyou guys are making great progress :)16:06
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bswartzjgriffith: is there a process in place to figure out if anything was missed in the cinder->nova backporting effort?16:07
jgriffithbswartz: Yes... testing!16:07
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jgriffithSo that's what I'd like to ask now16:07
jgriffithAnybody who has some cycles... I'd like to do some good testing16:08
jgriffithI'm going to set up an etherpad we can keep updated16:08
jgriffithThat way we won't all test the same thing :)16:08
jgriffithParticularly, I'd like to test a number of things:16:08
jgriffith1. Migrate from nova-vol (Folsom) ---> Cinder (Folsom)16:08
jgriffithThis would include having volumes and snapshots created16:09
jgriffith2. Setup/run with cinder on seperate node from compute16:09
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jgriffith3. multiple cinder nodes16:10
jgriffithyou get the idea...16:10
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jgriffithIf you have time:
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bswartzjgriffith: where is the process of migrating documented?16:11
jgriffithThrow up test ideas here as well as sign up for any you might do or want to work on16:11
bswartzI've never actually tried migrating from n-vol to c-vol16:11
jgriffithbswartz: That's the other thing we all need to work on  *documentation*16:11
jgriffithbswartz: So right now there's a couple of methods I've added to cinder-manage16:11
jgriffithbswartz: One for *moving* persistent target files16:12
bswartzyeah I don't want to side track the meeting, but is there a script we can run to do the migration, or follow some manual steps?16:12
jgriffithbswartz: The other does a DB migration16:12
jgriffithThose are the tools we have in place for getting the data over...16:12
jgriffithWe need to work on a script to do the config work still16:12
jgriffithbswartz: That's something I'm planning to get back to working on later today *hopefully*16:13
jgriffithbut I could sure use help on all of this stuff16:13
jgriffithbswartz: answer your question?16:14
bswartzjgriffith: yes thank you16:14
jgriffithbswartz: NP16:14
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jgriffithSo if anybody can do any sort of testing this week that would be fantastic16:15
jgriffithThe next topic is even less popular :)16:15
jgriffith#topic documentation16:15
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jgriffithI've been harping about documentation for the drivers but I know we've been busy just getting changes in16:15
jgriffithBut NOW is the time16:16
jgriffithI'm as guilty on this as anyone16:16
bswartzI have plans to document the netapp drivers16:16
bswartzI realize it's ridiculously late16:16
jgriffithbswartz: It's never too late until after we release :)16:17
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rongzewhere is the documentation?16:17
jgriffithrongze: We have to generate it :)16:17
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jgriffithrongze: So first step seperate from the drivers is going to be here:16:18
jgriffithWe'll need to create cinder versions of the nova-volume docuemntation16:18
bswartzjgriffith: do you have a link to the github repo for the docs? I'm not finding it16:18
jgriffithbswartz: Yeah...16:19
bswartzis it ?16:19
bswartzokay thanks16:19
jgriffithbswartz: Yup.... sorry for the delay there :)16:19
jgriffithbswartz: So it's ugly as it's all XML16:19
rongzesample : ??16:20
jgriffithBut I think we can get help from the docs gurus if needed16:20
jgriffithrongze: exactly!16:20
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rnirmaljgriffith: that is different from this right
rnirmaldeveloper docs16:21
jgriffithrnirmal: Yes!16:21
rnirmalwhich is the primary focus16:21
jgriffithThe developer docs are in the project source16:21
jgriffithin the docs dir and auto upload etc16:22
rnirmalk gotcha.... so focus is going to be on admin docs16:22
jgriffithMy priority would be the admin docs right now yes16:22
jgriffithrnirmal: But if there's one that folks feel more comfortable with versus another I don't care16:22
jgriffithWe just need to update16:22
jgriffithMy perference is we do everything we can to make transition for users as smooth as possible16:23
jgriffithWhich translates to *admin docs*16:23
rnirmalok another question16:23
rnirmalupdating volumes doc in openstack-compute/admin or16:24
rnirmalcreate a new one for cinder ?16:24
jgriffithrnirmal: So this is kinda tricky16:24
jgriffithrnirmal: What might work is augment compute with cinder info16:25
jgriffithrnirmal: I would like to break the cinder docs out but I don't think that's going to work at this point16:25
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rnirmalhmm I don't know.. since the volumes in openstack-compute would be nova-volumes related... the docs for the drivers are going to be the same16:26
rnirmalbut other things... there's differences16:26
jgriffithrnirmal: Yeah, that's where it gets a bit tricky16:26
rongzeYour mean is add new driver document into openstack-compute/admin ?16:27
rongzesuch as xiv/netapp?16:27
rnirmalwould it suffice to say... update the nova-volumes docs.. add all the missing pieces then port those docs over for cinder?16:27
jgriffithrnirmal: Yes, I think for the drivers that's ideal16:27
rongzeI want to do that, but my english is not good..16:28
jgriffithrongze: It seems as good as mine :)16:28
rongzeI think it need the author of the driver to do that.16:28
jgriffithrongze: Yes, I think the driver authors MUST do their drivers16:29
jgriffithSo... on the other side here's a better example:16:29
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jgriffithWe need to update the managing volumes section16:30
jgriffithInclude cinder info and mark it as the default16:30
jgriffithVolume drivers, we just update appropriately (this is where myself, bswartz jdurgin etc come in)16:30
jgriffithWe need to add sections for things we added such as: NFS, clone image etc16:31
jgriffithThat would be a good start...16:31
jgriffithAfter that we'll want a specific migrate nova-vol--->cinder section16:31
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jgriffithMake sense?16:32
jgriffithanybody disagree, or see a better approach/starting point?16:32
jdurginmakes sense, that is16:32
* bswartz agrees16:32
jgriffithOk... one yes and two yups wins16:32
jgriffith#topic anything we know we missed already16:33
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jgriffithSo is there anything folks already know we NEED to get in for Folsom that was missed in RC116:33
bswartzI have an open bug16:34
jgriffithOk... silence was what I hoped for on that one16:34
bswartzwas planning to fix it16:34
jgriffithbswartz: You do?  Which one?16:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1050359 in nova "Tests fail on 32bit machines (_get_hash_str is platform dependent)" [Medium,Confirmed]16:35
jgriffithbswartz: Ahhh!  Yes16:35
bswartzit won't be hard to fix16:35
jgriffithbswartz: I did see that one and knew about it16:35
bswartzI just need to test and checkin16:35
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bswartzjgriffith: do you foresee any problems getting that fix accepted?16:36
bswartzit needs to go into both cinder and nova16:36
jgriffithYeah, I wasn't sure about the validity of running OS on 32 bit but it's supported so it should go in16:36
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jgriffithbswartz: I don't think it should be an issue16:36
bswartzokay well that's like #2 on my todo list16:36
jgriffithbswartz: But I think the Nova side is stricter on this stuff than I am :)16:37
bswartzit was the nova folks that discovered it16:37
jgriffithbswartz: We'll raise it and see, but it seems like it should qualify16:37
jgriffithbswartz: Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem16:37
jgriffithOk... anything else folks have?16:38
jgriffith#topic open discussion16:38
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rongzeI have a suggestion , if we first have   migrate nova-vol--->cinder section  in document , our testing for cinder-rc1testing will be easy.16:39
jgriffithrongze: good idea16:39
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jgriffithWe can note it on the ehterpad and work on it16:40
jgriffithEven if folks want to document migration steps on the ehterpad as a working doc we can then formalize it into a doc later16:40
jgriffithI'll try to get to that step 1 piece on the etherpad later (unless someone beats me to it) :)16:41
jgriffithIt's going to be something like: install cinder, set up DB, copy targets and DB, verify transfer16:42
rongzewhat is the targets?16:42
jgriffithdetach volumes from instances, stop services, reconfig, start services etc16:42
jgriffithrongze: iscsi targets16:42
rongzeDo it need to copy?16:43
rongzetargets' config ?16:43
jgriffithrongze: More accurately it's the persistent target files/configs16:43
rongzeoh, I know16:43
jgriffithWe don't have to recreate the targets themeselves16:44
jgriffithrongze: We could also leave them where they are rather than move them16:44
jgriffithOk, that part is probably only applicable in devstack env16:45
rongzeDo devstack support multi cinder-volume?16:46
jgriffithrongze: I don't think most people use it that way16:47
jgriffithrongze: There is multi node support with devstack on hardware16:47
jgriffithrongze: that's what I was trying to set up a couple weeks ago but got distracted16:47
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jgriffithIt's kinda just *cheating* or being lazy and using devstack to install everyting for you16:48
jgriffithThen manually figuring out all the config file settings etc that need done16:49
jgriffithAt least that was my approach16:49
rongzewhen we testing multiple cinder nodes, we need multi cinder-volume env.16:49
rongzeif devstack support it, it will be easy to test.16:50
jgriffithdevstack won't do it automatically, but it will handle all the grunt work (installing the packages, setting up DB's networking etc)16:50
rongzeoh, I see16:51
jgriffithTBH manual install as painful as it is would be the *best* thing to do but I tend to have mixed results when I do that :)16:52
jgriffithIt's very time consuming and I'm lazy, that's why I love devstack :)16:52
rongzeI love too...16:53
jgriffithrongze: If you get started on it and need some help let me know16:53
jgriffithrongze: I'm by no means an install/config expert but I can try to help and maybe learn some more :)16:53
jgriffithOk... anybody have anything else?16:54
rongzeI think I have no time to test..  I must to write a topic.16:55
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rongzeI have a topic in Design summit, it is about volume on local storage.16:55
jgriffithgatuus: yes, what about it?16:55
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gatuusare you planning to .. well support it in some time.. or we need to wati for the inktank guys to make the.. mm.. I dunno the tests?16:56
jgriffithgatuus: It is supported (RBD) at any rate, is there something specific you're looking for?16:57
gatuusI need to make tests.. but dont know where to start.. sorry..16:57
rongzeI remember a blog record the test.16:57
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jgriffithgatuus: That will work for the most part if you just s/nova.voume/cinder/17:00
jgriffithgatuus: Does that help?17:01
rongzejgriffith: My topic is about local storage, it is like
gatuusyes a lot thanks17:02
jgriffithrongze: cool, I haven't checked the submisssions page lately TBH, did you propose it?17:03
rongzejgriffith:  yes17:03
jgriffithrongze: Ok, I'll be sure to check later.  For some reason I'm not getting email updates on that this time around17:03
jgriffithOk... everyone17:04
gatuusrongze: Page Not Found ??17:04
jgriffithgatuus: Odd... it came up for me?17:04
gatuusbut not for me =(17:04
rongzeI have impl implement  dependence snapshot, and it can upload snapshot to swift.17:04
jgriffithalright everyone, thanks for your time and all the effort so far this release cycle!17:04
jgriffithNeed to break...17:05
gatuus"The CloudStack wiki is under migration. " bblablabla17:05
jgriffithI'll be on IRC of course if anything comes up17:05
jgriffith#endmeeting cinder17:05
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