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| DuncanT | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 6 16:01:41 2013 UTC. The chair is DuncanT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
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| DuncanT | Lo all | 16:01 |
| JM1 | hi | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
| hemna_ | :) | 16:01 |
| winston-d_ | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang_ | hi | 16:01 |
| rushiagr | hi | 16:01 |
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| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
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| DuncanT | JGriffith is away, so he's asked me to chair. There's the bare bones of an agenda at http://wiki.openstack.org/CinderMeetings as usual but PM me or shout up if there's something you want to discuss | 16:02 |
| hemna_ | So I saw avishay's comments on his issues he's having with FC | 16:03 |
| hemna_ | I'm going to try and see if I can dig up a QLogic HBA today at work and try and reproduce his issues. | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | FC still isn't merged, correct? | 16:04 |
| hemna_ | correct | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | (sorry, been away for a bit, still playing catchup) | 16:04 |
| hemna_ | it's been getting a good amount of reviews from the nova guys lately though | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | Sounds like testing is progressing anyway, which is great | 16:04 |
| hemna_ | yup | 16:04 |
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| DuncanT | Anything else you need | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT | ? | 16:05 |
| hemna_ | don't think so | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Good stuff | 16:05 |
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| DuncanT | The only blueprint I'm involved with is volume backup... we're fixing uuids and iscsi attach and a new review will be up shortly. I don't understand the comments from ronenkat but I'm hoping they'll get back to me with more detail | 16:06 |
| hemna_ | need more eyes for the review? | 16:07 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: is volume backup working completely now? | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Multi-node is broken in some cases until the iscsi attach change turns up | 16:08 |
| thingee | DuncanT: some of the questions I've been asking about coverage with the backup manager seemed to get missed last time. Francis was saying it has 100% but I just can't see that with coverage report. | 16:08 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT: cool | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | thingee: He's going to mail you about that... definitely not seeing what you're seeing | 16:09 |
| smulcahy | thingee: We've re-ran the coverage report on fresh devstacks with the branch and we're getting very different coverage reports | 16:09 |
| smulcahy | thingee: So not sure why the discrepancy | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | hemna: More eyes are always good, particularly as we thing the next patch will be pretty much done, except possibly some testing issues | 16:10 |
| thingee | it must be something weird in my env. I'll try a fresh repo this time instead of just new venv | 16:10 |
| thingee | smulcahy, DuncanT ^ | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Thanks for that | 16:10 |
| hemna_ | coolio | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Any other blueprints to comment on? Multi backend scheduler? | 16:11 |
| smulcahy | thingee: thanks - yeah, maybe try from scratch because we're not seeing your coverage results. | 16:11 |
| thingee | DuncanT: o/ | 16:11 |
| winston-d_ | yup | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Yup | 16:12 |
| thingee | DuncanT: cinderclient v2 is up for review. | 16:12 |
| thingee | DuncanT: jgriffith mentioned he wanted args to be consistent. I'll make a comment to the review and switch back to wip | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | Ooo, hadn't spotted that | 16:12 |
| winston-d_ | i have some comment with multi back-end volume service patch. but haven't gone through the whole patch yet. i'll talk to hub_cap offline | 16:12 |
| rushiagr | and so is 'NAS as a separate service' code | 16:12 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I'm going to deprecate the other arg style for a release so everyone is happy :) | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | thingee: People are never happy | 16:13 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I'm happy | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | We've a general plea for reviews... quite a few open and quite a few un-responded to review comments | 16:14 |
| thingee | DuncanT: docs are coming along. not too worried about "feature freeze" deadline with 'em ;) | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder,n,z | 16:14 |
| thingee | DuncanT: v1 doc is just about done. will be doing that more and maybe starting v2 over the weekend | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-cinderclient,n,z | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Good stuff. Will take a look at the v2 client stuff asap | 16:15 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: is there any way we, as reviewers, can prioritize what to review? | 16:16 |
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| thingee | bswartz: yea hang on | 16:16 |
| thingee | bswartz: https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 16:16 |
| winston-d_ | bswartz: i think those reviews that are targeted to G3 should come first | 16:16 |
| thingee | bswartz: whatever is in code review | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: I tend to go with stuff I've previously commented on that has been updated, followed by G3 stuff | 16:17 |
| bswartz | okay, all good suggestions | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: I also encourage people to shout up when they've something they feel is being ignored | 16:17 |
| bswartz | it would be ideal if we there was a way to minimize overlapping review work so everything gets equal coverage, but perhaps that's not possible | 16:17 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: +1 that works too | 16:17 |
| xyang_ | what about reviews for bug fixes? they are not targeted, but have to go in, right | 16:18 |
| bswartz | xyang_: technically, bugfixes could go in after G-3 | 16:18 |
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| xyang_ | bswartz: ok | 16:19 |
| thingee | xyang_: you can ping core devs available in #openstack-cinder too | 16:19 |
| thingee | or #openstack-dev | 16:19 |
| bswartz | that's not a reason to ignore them, but they feel lower priority to me than new features | 16:19 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: what else? | 16:19 |
| xyang_ | thingee: ok | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | #topic Policy on what's required for a new driver | 16:20 |
| Yada | what about bugs which impact BP devs (volume_create issues) ? | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | Yada: If you think something needs bumping up the priority, your best bet is to poke people in #openstack-cinder | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | Yada: Most of the core team hang about in there, and are more likely to be responsive to people being keen | 16:21 |
| Yada | We will cause it may block our cinder BP approval : currently not working anymore (was ok days ago) ;-) | 16:21 |
| Yada | Working on it to dig and provide as much infos as possible | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | Yada: Will follow up with you in the cinder room after the meeting if you want | 16:22 |
| Yada | no worries | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | So John posted something to the openstack mailing list a week and a bit ago about minimum features in new drivers | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | I can't find it right now but the gist was that new drivers should be at least as functional as the LVM one is at time of merging, unless they explain why they can't be | 16:23 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I haven't been able to find it either. Maybe that's why he feels he got no reply :P | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | Since nobody replied, this is likely to become policy unless somebody complains sharpish | 16:24 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: I did find it earlier... it was a reply down a thread | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | Ah ha, in the thread "[Openstack] List of Cinder compatible devices" | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | "Having to go through and determine what feature is or is not supported per driver is EXACTLY what I want to avoid. If we go down the path of building a matrix and allowing partial integration it's going to create a huge mess and IMO the user experience is going to suffer greatly. Â Of course a driver can do more than what's on the list, but I think this is the minimum requirement and I've been pushing back on submissions based o | 16:25 |
| rushiagr | the problem is partly due to his sentences come at the very bottom of the mail | 16:25 |
| kmartin | Yeah, I missed it as well...maybe he could add it to http://wiki.openstack.org/Cinder | 16:25 |
| Yada | Yep he replied to an email from : Xiazhihui (Hashui, IT) <xiazhihui09@huawei.com> | 16:25 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: so that policy implies that as new features are added to the LVM driver, all of the other drivers have to catch up eventually -- can we say something about how quickly that needs to happen? | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: I'd like a statement about that too, but not sure how to word it | 16:26 |
| JM1 | it would also be useful to list said features | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Certainly I'd like a policy where we can threaten to drop unmaintained drivers | 16:26 |
| bswartz | JM1: +1 | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | JM1: +1 | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | JM1: Any such list becomes stale if it is external to the code, but certainly a list of 'as of xxx date, the minimum feature list is...' | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | Anybody got a problem with the concept? | 16:28 |
| kmartin | clearly list each feature that needs implemented and add it to http://wiki.openstack.org/Cinder, since all new developers tend to start there | 16:28 |
| winston-d_ | nope, sounds good to me | 16:28 |
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| JM1 | kmartin: +1 | 16:28 |
| xyang_ | +1 | 16:28 |
| rushiagr | kmartin: +1, good point | 16:28 |
| Yada | Based on my understanding and chat with John it is : Volume create | delete | attach | detach + Snapshot create | delete + Create Volume from Snapshot | 16:28 |
| bswartz | also, if a driver needs to updated to comply with a new feature, does that update count as a bugfix, or does it need a blueprint, and milestone, etc | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: bugfix in general I think | 16:29 |
| JM1 | how about volume to/from image? | 16:29 |
| xyang_ | there's a generic function now in driver.py | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | JM1: That and clone are there now in LVM, so I guess they are needed for a new driver | 16:29 |
| kmartin | Each new release the list of features should be revisted and updated | 16:29 |
| xyang_ | I'm testing that function, but have to override something to get it to work | 16:29 |
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| kmartin | JM1: some of the new features should have a little lag time for the drivers to be updated, like the next release. | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | Next milestone release or next full release? | 16:31 |
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| kmartin | Next full release, some features are not completed until the last sprint and its hard for all the drivers to get updated that quickly | 16:32 |
| bswartz | kmartin: +1 | 16:32 |
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| Yada | And what about the new BP ? Will be "fair" if it is the same rules for all and if it does not block BP validation IMHO | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT | Fair enough, though I think we should strongly encourage quicker updates where we can | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | Yada: I don't understand the question sorry | 16:33 |
| kmartin | DuncanT: I agree, strongly encouraged but not required | 16:34 |
| bswartz | I know speaking for NetApp, we have development schedules, and it's not always easy to make time for stuff that comes up at the last minute. However if driver changes to comply with new features count as bugfixes then that relaxes the deadline to get them done. | 16:34 |
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| Yada | I mean : if all agree on the minimum cinder features supported than can we apply the same for the new BP instead of asking new BP to commit on all the features I listed above | 16:34 |
| xyang_ | any new feature need legal approval too, that could take very long | 16:34 |
| kmartin | Have to remember some of these features may require legal approval from the bigger companies...and we all know how fast that happens | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | kmartin: I work for HP too, I know your pain ;-) | 16:35 |
| kmartin | xyang_: :) beat me to it | 16:35 |
| xyang_ | kmartin: :) | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Yada: That makes sense, though sometimes it is a matter for taste... we can discuss exceptions at these meetings | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Right, it sounds like we have a general agreement. Any volenteers to draft it on the wiki? | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Anybody at all? | 16:37 |
| kmartin | Hell, I'll do it | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | :-) | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | #action kmartin to draft new driver policy for the wiki | 16:38 |
| winston-d_ | phew | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | So the last item on our agenda is... | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | #topic AZs (again) | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | sorry... but legal ain't my problem :) | 16:39 |
| thingee | he lives | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:39 |
| thingee | DuncanT: are we educated in this topic now? | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | thingee: I don't think so, no | 16:39 |
| thingee | make that an action item :P...someone should take lead and get that figured out | 16:40 |
| * jgriffith pretends he's not back yet :) | 16:40 | |
| DuncanT | We have our own ideas, but it comes down to 'There is an AZ field in several parts of our API. What do we want it to mean?' | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | I'll look at getting something documented | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: not that simple | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: It actually has a distinct meaning | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Particularly in the context of EC2 | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: You can only attach volumes to instances in the same AZ | 16:41 |
| winston-d_ | so who raised this issue? | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: Me | 16:41 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: we assigned all the action items to you while you were gone | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | haha :) | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I'm not sure of the details of the EC2 API | 16:42 |
| bswartz | jk | 16:42 |
| winston-d_ | then you should educate us, at least a problem statement | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: who me? | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | winston-d_: I'm not the one who asked what they were :) | 16:43 |
| avishay | Hi all, sorry I'm (very) late | 16:43 |
| winston-d_ | DuncanT: ^^ | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | winston-d_: Ohh... :) | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: The problem is that the fields in the API currently don't do much in relation to the same fields in the nova api | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | They have no clear meaning, and inconsitent behaviour | 16:43 |
| xyang_ | avishay: hi. can I talk to you after the meeting? I'm merging with your changes but have issues | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | *consistent | 16:44 |
| avishay | xyang_: of course | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: hmmm... interesting | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | So I'll look at getting this documented and cleared up a bit | 16:44 |
| winston-d_ | what kind of consistency are you looking for ? | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | Nova seems to treat them as a specific specialisation of aggregates that the scheduler treats specially | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: That's new :( | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: so we have to play some catch up | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | The disparity you see currently is because they've moved forward with aggregates and such | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: A definition of what they mean, and what the limitations are (e.g. can an instance in az-xyz mount a volume in az-abc?) | 16:45 |
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| DuncanT | (I hope the answer to that ends up being 'no', but currently it isn't enforced (draft patch from a colleague to fix that in the queue) but currently no two people seem to entirely agree) | 16:46 |
| winston-d_ | the 2nd part of the question is controlled by Nova API or Cinder API? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: Both | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: Can you clone a volume between AZs? (pure cinder) | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: Attach is a decision for both | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: There are other questions | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | #action jgriffith and DuncanT to look at documenting availability zones | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:48 |
| winston-d_ | how do OPS people think about it? do think they nova/cinder should allow such action? | 16:48 |
| winston-d_ | since AZ is defined by them | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | I have no idea what providers are using availability zones. We are, I'm pretty sure Rackspace don't | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | So the best advice I can provide for a quick overview is lookat AWS | 16:49 |
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| winston-d_ | AWS did | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT | winston-d_: There is no definition of an AZ, so different people have totally different models in mind | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | Thta's it was intially modeled after | 16:49 |
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| winston-d_ | DuncanT: that is the real problem i guess | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: Cells have removed some of the confusion I think | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'd argue that cells introduced more confusion but anyway :) | 16:50 |
| winston-d_ | DuncanT: but cell is transparent to end user (aka API) | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: We (HP) don't want cross az mounting | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | OK... time out | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | No sense beating on this right now | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | winston-d_: Indeed, so pan-cell mounting is a 'it should just work' | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: and jgriffith will flush this out and doc it for folks | 16:50 |
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| rushiagr | AWS has cells too? or is it a new concept by us folks? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | rushiagr: Unknown since they aren't user visible | 16:51 |
| winston-d_ | rushiagr: no, we don't know since it transparent to end users | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | Well never mind then... carry on :) | 16:51 |
| winston-d_ | jgriffith: :) | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | So, any other business? We've ten minutes left | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | #topic any other business | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith? | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | I don't have much, but I haven't gone through evertyhging you guys covered yet | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | My main thing is the usual plea for reviews :) | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | We're getting a pretty good back-log again | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Just a note on stable/folsom | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Those patches need to be reviewed/approved by OSLO core team | 16:53 |
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| rushiagr | jgriffith: Status of blueprint: NAS as a separate service. WIP submitted. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: Saw that... thanks! | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | With core team discussions coming up, I expect people will be extra keen on reviews ;-) | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | rushiagr: It helps a TON to have something in progress for folks to work on | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | rushiagr: Got a link to that? | 16:55 |
| rushiagr | DuncanT: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21290/ | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | Cheers | 16:56 |
| avishay | I'd like to bring up a topic to start thinking about - a framework for certifying hardware | 16:56 |
| rushiagr | jgriffith: I know, its better than having a multi thousand line code drop at the last moment | 16:57 |
| winston-d_ | wow, big topic | 16:57 |
| bswartz | avishay: rackspace is working on something like that | 16:57 |
| avishay | The Nova FC code doesn't happen to work with my HBA. We'll try to fix that. But there should be a way to certify hardware (HBAs, controllers, etc.). | 16:57 |
| bswartz | are you in touch with them? | 16:57 |
| avishay | bswartz: No. I'd appreciate any pointers. | 16:58 |
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| bswartz | avishay: I will get some and get back to you | 16:58 |
| avishay | bswartz: thanks a lot | 16:58 |
| bswartz | It's called Alamo | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | Would be good to hear about those plans too | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | I'd rather focus first on black-box driver qualification | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | But I agree... if we're going down the paths folks seem to be taking us these days, Hardware may start to become an issue | 16:59 |
| bswartz | Alamo has a driver+hardware qualification suite | 16:59 |
| avishay | jgriffith: That too | 16:59 |
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| xyang_ | bswartz: Alamo doesn't cover unreleased code though. I think avishay is asking about that | 17:00 |
| avishay | jgriffith: sounds something to discuss at the summit | 17:00 |
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| avishay | xyang_: not necessarily | 17:00 |
| bswartz | I think it's reasonable to say that the cinder core team will NOT worry about hardware qualification, and we will leave that to distros and vendors who support this stuff? | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 17:01 |
| avishay | xyang_: but there should be some "official" test suite that vendors can run to make sure their HW works with OpenStack | 17:01 |
| DuncanT | +1million | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I would agree up to a point | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: since we're going to introduce things like FC we have to be slightly more pro-active I htink | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | think | 17:01 |
| DuncanT | The trouble with 'official tests' is they turn into 'it passes the test suite, cinder must be broken' | 17:01 |
| jgriffith | TBH to me that just means... "supported HBA/driver list" | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: but I would agree, that should fall to the vendors who want/use FC | 17:02 |
| xyang_ | avishay: good idea | 17:02 |
| DuncanT | Supported by whom? | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: else from my perspective, take FC out | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Supported is a bad choice of words | 17:02 |
| DuncanT | :-) | 17:02 |
| bswartz | time check, we're about to get booted | 17:03 |
| DuncanT | I've been spending too much time around lawyers ;-) | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | haha | 17:03 |
| DuncanT | Any final words? | 17:03 |
| JM1 | "rosebug" | 17:03 |
| DuncanT | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 6 17:03:38 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-06-16.01.html | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-06-16.01.txt | 17:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-02-06-16.01.log.html | 17:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 6 17:04:38 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 17:04 |
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| bobba | Morning! | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic blueprints | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 17:05 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hi all | 17:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so there haven't been any agenda additions on the wiki | 17:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | so has anyone got any pressing issues? | 17:05 |
| bobba | I probably should have added one | 17:05 |
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| bobba | not a pressing issue - but have got devstack successfully installed on Quantal | 17:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there a patch for that yet? | 17:06 |
| bobba | Changes aren't in devstack yet, but they are in a github repo if anyone else wants to test it | 17:06 |
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| bobba | Will be pushing to gerrit in the next couple of days | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there a timeframe / bug raised against devstack? | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 17:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info Devstack soon to support Quantal | 17:07 |
| bobba | No bug yet - but I'll probably do that as well just to justify the change | 17:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | always good to advertise | 17:07 |
| bobba | Very true! | 17:07 |
| bobba | But I'm sure it'll be in gerrit this time next week. | 17:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more blueprint issues? | 17:08 |
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| bobba | None from me | 17:09 |
| bobba | Unfortunately I don't think that pvo or any of the other guys have made it to the meeting today | 17:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, clash I guess | 17:10 |
| bobba | I know that Mate wasn't able to make it due to a clash | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Docs | 17:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any one got any plans to help with the docs backlog for XenAPI feature, or anyone got effort to get the docs a quick look | 17:11 |
| bobba | Maybe | 17:11 |
| bobba | I'd be interested in having a look but I'm not sure of the most important issues to look at? | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | Well, once we hit feature freeze, it should concentrate the mind a little | 17:11 |
| bobba | The timeing for it might even be beyond this week, so maybe better to think about that at the next meeting | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | look at blueprint in folsom, then give a quick pass | 17:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | beyond this week? | 17:12 |
| bobba | I meant I might not have the time I want to look at some docs until after next Wednesday (thinking that weeks go between meetings!) | 17:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I see | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | got ya | 17:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs / QA | 17:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess nothing here? | 17:14 |
| bobba | Apart from the quantal bug that's been fixed | 17:15 |
| bobba | There are a couple of other improvements to devstack to be pushed too | 17:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | would be good to open bugs I guess | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic OpenDiscussion | 17:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | only other thing I was going to raise is blogs and videos to advertise new feaures | 17:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | it might be good to tell people what is happening | 17:17 |
| bobba | That's true... | 17:17 |
| bobba | We don't do enough of that at the moment | 17:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well its usually only done at the end of each release, for max impact | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | like the storage motion video and blog | 17:18 |
| bobba | ahhh fair enough - well hopefully we can get something out at the end of the release | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I am happy for more | 17:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK so I guess we are done? | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | Lets hope more people can make it next time | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you are reading the logs, do email me | 17:19 |
| bobba | I'm sure we'll get Mate - but let's also make sure that pvo can attend too | 17:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info My (JohnGarbutt/johnthetubaguy)'s last day at Citrix tomorrow, starting at Rackspace next week, john@johngarbutt.com will get always get to me | 17:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | other than that I guess we are done? | 17:21 |
| bobba | I think so! | 17:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 17:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 6 17:21:33 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-06-17.04.html | 17:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-06-17.04.txt | 17:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-02-06-17.04.log.html | 17:21 |
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| davidha | Hi, is there and agenda sent out? | 18:39 |
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| notmyname | time for the swift meeting. | 19:01 |
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| clayg | yay! | 19:01 |
| notmyname | your favorite time of the fortnight | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting | 19:01 |
| openstack | notmyname: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | bah | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 6 19:01:41 2013 UTC. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | should be a pretty short meeting, I think | 19:01 |
| notmyname | at least I don't have much on my agenda to talk about | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | 1) is encryption in the scope of swift? 2) docs / copyright 3) any patches need considering | 19:02 |
| notmyname | and at the end, torgomatic has volunteered to answer all your questions about global clusters | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic is encryption in the scope of swift? | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "is encryption in the scope of swift? (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:03 | |
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| notmyname | ok, there have been some mailing list threads and ideas floating around about adding various flavors of encryption to swift | 19:03 |
| chmouel | I think having tools or client librarie making it maybe easier to encrypt bfore uploading to swift would be more in scope | 19:04 |
| notmyname | there are 2 use cases that I know of: users don't want anyone to read their data and deployers want to easily recycle drives by simply throwing away a key | 19:04 |
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| redbo | dmcrypt is good for the second one | 19:04 |
| swifterdarrell | We've had at least one hard requirement from a customer deploying Swift for encryption of data, but only at rest; that was solved with disk-level encryption out-of-band to Swift | 19:05 |
| davidha | if adding encryption in the server side, we need key management | 19:05 |
| notmyname | does anyone want to argue in favor of either of these being in scope for swift itself (ie should there be code in swift's codebase that handles this)? | 19:05 |
| torgomatic | yep, dm-crypt or luks or something else underneath Swift | 19:05 |
| chmouel | yeah that or luks | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | so does that mean we all agree that encryption should be out-of-band to swift itself? | 19:06 |
| swifterdarrell | I'm perfectly happy with keeping encryption (and the associated problems and complexity which come with key management) outside the scope of Swift | 19:06 |
| chmouel | +1 to out | 19:06 |
| swifterdarrell | Push that stuff out to deployments | 19:06 |
| swifterdarrell | (IOW +1 to out) | 19:06 |
| torgomatic | +1 to encryption being outside the scope of Swift | 19:06 |
| redbo | buy a drive shredder | 19:06 |
| notmyname | redbo: or a ball-peen hammer ;-) | 19:07 |
| davidha | How would you shred only files form one customer? | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | davidha: that data is spread out over all drives in the entire cluster | 19:07 |
| redbo | why would I need to shred one customer's files? | 19:07 |
| davidha | Right, this is a real use case for server side encryption. | 19:08 |
| notmyname | "this"? the user use case or the deployer use case? | 19:08 |
| swifterdarrell | Let's not pretend that encrypting data at rest and possibly in-flight as well are not valid requirements for an object storage system. The question is whether that use-case should be satisfied by code in Swift or not. | 19:08 |
| notmyname | swifterdarrell: exactly | 19:08 |
| davidha | I think Swift should enable it - we at least need to see that one can add it to Swift | 19:09 |
| notmyname | davidha: what is "it"? | 19:09 |
| davidha | It being server side encryption | 19:10 |
| notmyname | davidha: full drive encryption or encryption of the object data? | 19:10 |
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| davidha | It is possible it can be done as a middleware ... :) | 19:10 |
| davidha | encr of the object data by a per user key | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | davidha: so that the deployer then has access to both the encrypted data and the key? what use case does that solve? | 19:11 |
| davidha | notmyname: Shreding of data whne the user leaves | 19:11 |
| davidha | I need to go deaper on that | 19:11 |
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| davidha | I will ask the team here, lets leave that to next meeting | 19:12 |
| redbo | who's that serving, the user or the provider? | 19:12 |
| chmouel | that's going bad for performances for both | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | ok. for now it looks like we are agreed that encryption should stay outside of swift, unless there is another use case that cannot be efficiently implemented in middleware | 19:13 |
| davidha | Agreed | 19:13 |
| notmyname | #agreed that encryption should stay outside of swift | 19:14 |
| notmyname | #topic docs and copyright | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | just as an FYI, as I've been looking at some of the docs lately (like the SAIO and multinode install instructions), it seems that they are getting somewhat dated | 19:15 |
| notmyname | if you are looking for something to do in your free time (hah!), re-reading the docs is a good place to start | 19:15 |
| notmyname | this applies as much to me as anyone | 19:15 |
| notmyname | just wanted to bring it up | 19:15 |
| chmouel | (or get the newcommers in your company to do it while learning swift 8-)) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:16 |
| notmyname | chmouel: aren't you the newcomer in your company? | 19:16 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:16 |
| chmouel | haha | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | annegentle proposed a patch that mentions copyright (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/18889/). looks like there may be a little more clarification needed (as per the comments) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | but review the http://wiki.openstack.org/Documentation/Copyright page | 19:17 |
| notmyname | also, I've heard that we should stop assigning copyright to openstack (btw, openstack llc doesn't exist any more) and should be keeping it for whatever company you work for | 19:17 |
| swifterdarrell | (I hate to be annoying, but if we got legal guidance, we might as well follow all of it.) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | #topic patches? | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patches? (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:18 | |
| notmyname | are there any patches that we need to discuss in here that can't be handled in gerrit comments? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+swift,n,z | 19:19 |
| davidha | I would like to see account qouta as an enhancement to the container one - seem to be trivial enhancement | 19:19 |
| davidha | I can work on this unless this is already being worked on | 19:19 |
| chmouel | davidha: yeah i can do that since we are going to use it | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | cool | 19:20 |
| notmyname | redbo: any big reason not to extend your container quotas to handle entire accounts? | 19:20 |
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| swifterdarrell | patches welcomed, perhaps? There's at least one account quota middleware floating around outside Swift (don't have link handy) | 19:21 |
| chmouel | #link https://github.com/cschwede/swquota | 19:21 |
| davidha | I think it should be a single middleware doing both | 19:22 |
| swifterdarrell | chmouel: thanks! | 19:22 |
| chmouel | #link https://github.com/AlexYangYu/StackLab-swift/tree/dev-quota | 19:22 |
| notmyname | chmouel: davidha: I look forward to seeing your patches :-) | 19:22 |
| redbo | Not that I know of. It just wasn't a use case we had. | 19:22 |
| chmouel | and last one | 19:22 |
| chmouel | #link https://github.com/chmouel/swift-quota | 19:23 |
| chmouel | (it actually works need to update the README) | 19:23 |
| swifterdarrell | I'm happy having two middlewares with different names which differentiate their different behavior (most importantly that container quotas are mostly voluntary and account quotas would presumably be most useful to resellers enforcing restrictions on customers); but that assesment of the use-cases could be biased/inaccurate. | 19:23 |
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| davidha | Why would that make more sense? A single quota middleware will not be less efficient if only container quota is used | 19:24 |
| chmouel | I think having them merged would make more sense | 19:24 |
| swifterdarrell | IOW, I think if two things both implement "quotas" but they're substantially different, they needn't be implemented in one piece of code/middleware | 19:24 |
| chmouel | it may be confusing for deployers and it's not much of biggie to have the two | 19:24 |
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| davidha | as much as I enjoy long pipelines..... this is becoming too long :) | 19:25 |
| notmyname | chmouel: really? _this_ is what will be confusing to deployers about swift? ;-) | 19:25 |
| redbo | we could call them user_quotas and provider_quotas or something | 19:25 |
| chmouel | notmyname: good point :) | 19:25 |
| redbo | or deployer_quotas | 19:25 |
| chmouel | redbo: +1 | 19:25 |
| notmyname | redbo: +1 | 19:25 |
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| chmouel | and a nice quota.txt explaining the difference between the two :) | 19:26 |
| chmouel | .rst | 19:26 |
| davidha | I would guess userrs would expect both to work together and be aligned, and the performance of both will be affected | 19:26 |
| davidha | so -1 for me | 19:26 |
| notmyname | let's carry this on in the gerrit comments on the patch that comes in | 19:27 |
| notmyname | #topic other | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "other (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:27 | |
| notmyname | anything else need to be brought up today? | 19:27 |
| davidha | Is there any work on one of the following topics: | 19:28 |
| davidha | Metadata, search | 19:28 |
| davidha | ? | 19:28 |
| notmyname | I wanted to point out that I got a lot of positive comments last week at linux conf australia. people like the stuff you all are working on. good job :-) | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | davidha: you mean metadata beyond Swift's existing support for account/container/object metadata? | 19:29 |
| notmyname | davidha: softlayer has a metadata search feature using an external system for their swift cluster | 19:29 |
| chmouel | i think the guys of keystone v3 want to talk more about swift | 19:29 |
| redbo | umm I have a branch somewhere where I just stuck a fts3 table in the container db and indexed metadata | 19:29 |
| chmouel | swift integration i mean with ACL | 19:29 |
| davidha | torgomatic: yep | 19:29 |
| davidha | chmouel: right, I know of a change needed to support v3 also | 19:30 |
| notmyname | chmouel: they can define whatever they want. the ACL tokens are opaque to swift, and the only thing that needs possibly updating is the keystoneauth middleware in swift. if they decide to change things, they'll have to accound for a migration path, of course | 19:30 |
| zykes- | is v3 supported ? : p | 19:30 |
| notmyname | zykes-: does v3 exist? ;-) | 19:30 |
| davidha | We may need to add domain id as a MD for containers | 19:30 |
| chmouel | notmyname: yep that's correct, it just has to be to authorize to whatever acl they are giving to us by auth_token | 19:31 |
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| davidha | Since there is not another hirarchy in v3, we would need to add some support for it to work | 19:31 |
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| chmouel | I don't think I would like much if they are taking in account migration (we have a large v2 swift/keystone cluster here) | 19:31 |
| chmouel | if they are not | 19:32 |
| zykes- | doesn't it in G notmyname ? :) | 19:32 |
| notmyname | zykes-: I'm just half joking. I thought they were still defining it | 19:32 |
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| chmouel | from the discussion on the ml they seem so | 19:32 |
| chmouel | (i.e: making email attr compulsory) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | chmouel: but that shouldn't change anything in swift, from what I could tell | 19:33 |
| chmouel | if they decide to give tenant_email instead of tenant_id | 19:33 |
| chmouel | that would get difficult for migration | 19:34 |
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| torgomatic | so accounts would look like /v1.0/AUTH_#{tenant_email} ? | 19:34 |
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| notmyname | a user gives X to keystone in order to get back a token and and endpoint. swift's middleware then give the request and the token to keystone for authorization. I don't see what changes | 19:34 |
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| zykes- | notmyname: v3 apparantly has a goal to be fully implemented in G | 19:35 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: as long as the endpoint is immutable, that's true | 19:35 |
| redbo | torgomatic: I think he just means for acls | 19:35 |
| chmouel | torgomatic: that's what i am worried about will clarify with those guys | 19:35 |
| zykes- | fyi :) | 19:35 |
| notmyname | they can redefine how they are passing out the endpoints all they want, but you can't do that for existing data | 19:35 |
| torgomatic | redbo: I hope you're right | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: you've got an existing keystone v2 cluster. when you get a clarifying answer, can you let me know what you find out? (I thought this had been settled on the ML) | 19:37 |
| chmouel | notmyname: yep will do | 19:38 |
| davidha | As far as I understand it, there is an additional hirarchy - this mean that you may have the same "account name" in two different domains - we would therfore need to store another attribute as a system MD being the domain id to which the account belong to | 19:38 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:38 |
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| redbo | we have accounts, keystone can delegate access to those however it wants | 19:38 |
| davidha | redbo, the previous mapping betweeing users and account no longer stanbd | 19:39 |
| davidha | I expect to see a blueprint on that soon that will elaboarte on how it can be done, than we can discuss issues it may bring | 19:41 |
| redbo | there's been a huge mailing list discussion | 19:41 |
| notmyname | let's see what chmouel comes back with | 19:41 |
| notmyname | anything else that needs to be brought up today? | 19:41 |
| torgomatic | if anyone has spare review time, the multi-range GET patch for segmented objects could use some eyeballs | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | it's the oldest in the review queue, and it's been resurrected at least once | 19:42 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:43 |
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| notmyname | next meeting is in two weeks | 19:43 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 19:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 6 19:43:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-02-06-19.01.html | 19:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-02-06-19.01.txt | 19:43 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-02-06-19.01.log.html | 19:43 |
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| sdake | #startmeeting heat | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 6 19:59:41 2013 UTC. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 19:59 |
| sdake | #topic rollcall | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 19:59 | |
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| sdake | sdake here | 20:00 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | shardy here | 20:00 |
| sdake | hidey zaneb | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | \O | 20:00 |
| jpeeler | jpeeler here | 20:00 |
| sdake | \<> | 20:00 |
| sdake | ascii art ftw | 20:01 |
| asalkeld | here | 20:01 |
| sdake | no asalkeld? | 20:01 |
| sdake | hi there | 20:01 |
| sdake | ok looks like we got enough to get started | 20:01 |
| Slower | here | 20:01 |
| sdake | #topic action review from last meeting | 20:01 |
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| sdake | ACTION: asalkeld, shardy, stevebaker, jpeeler to set implementation field in BPs | 20:02 |
| sdake | that looks done | 20:02 |
| sdake | ACTION: sdake to set all VPC blueprints to high | 20:02 |
| sdake | that looks done | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | sdake: do you run the ttx.py script? | 20:02 |
| sdake | ACTION: heat devs to sort out if updatestack can update rather then delete in coming week | 20:02 |
| sdake | i dont run that | 20:02 |
| sdake | have a link? | 20:03 |
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| shardy | sdake: that's done for instance and autoscaling now | 20:03 |
| shardy | which was the objective for G IIRC | 20:03 |
| sdake | ok so done then? | 20:03 |
| shardy | yup | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | sdake: https://github.com/ttx/bp-issues <- his sanity check on LP fields | 20:03 |
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| sdake | #info all actions from 1-23-2013 meeting completed | 20:04 |
| sdake | for those that weren't here last week, we cancelled the meeting since most were travelling | 20:04 |
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| sdake | I'd like to go through the blueprints and bugs and make sure we are set for g3 | 20:04 |
| sdake | #topic blueprint review | 20:04 |
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| sdake | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 20:05 |
| sdake | stevebaker still blocked on the vpc work? | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | I should be able to start soon, just waiting for some network ports to arrive in the mail | 20:06 |
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| sdake | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/raw-template-db | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | that might have to be bumped | 20:06 |
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| sdake | might or should, lets make a decision here ;) | 20:06 |
| asalkeld | doesn't look needed | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | OK, bump it. Any spare cycles will be spent on the vpc blueprints | 20:07 |
| shardy | looks low priority to me | 20:07 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:07 |
| sdake | #info bump https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/raw-template-db to H cycle | 20:07 |
| zaneb | sdake: will we be doing a db migrations reset for G? | 20:07 |
| sdake | i think we should | 20:08 |
| shardy | +1 | 20:08 |
| sdake | but should probably have a vote on it | 20:08 |
| zaneb | ok, so that should probably be done at the same time | 20:08 |
| zaneb | (or before) | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | what about current users? | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | they have to reinstall? | 20:08 |
| asalkeld | maybe talk to ppetit | 20:08 |
| zaneb | no, just restart the numbering where it is | 20:09 |
| sdake | #action sdake to bring up thread on openstack-dev about dumping the db migrations | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: if nova can get away with it, we certainly can | 20:09 |
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| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/resource-properties-schema | 20:10 |
| sdake | lets have discussion about it on ml and see what pops up | 20:10 |
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| sdake | zaneb your assigned to that last link | 20:10 |
| sdake | feb 21 is deadline for blueprints | 20:11 |
| zaneb | bump | 20:11 |
| zaneb | that's low priority | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | its a nice-too-have, but low priority | 20:11 |
| sdake | #info bump https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/resource-properties-schema to H cycle | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | at least until horizon ui picks up | 20:11 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: +1 | 20:11 |
| shardy | +1 | 20:12 |
| asalkeld | yea | 20:12 |
| sdake | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/aws-cloudformation-init | 20:12 |
| sdake | jpeeler? | 20:13 |
| jpeeler | thanks to pfreund, i think the only thing left is implementing configsets | 20:13 |
| jpeeler | so i'm working on that | 20:13 |
| sdake | ok, so looks goot for feb 21? | 20:13 |
| sdake | goot/good ;) | 20:13 |
| jpeeler | yep, question about cfntools though | 20:13 |
| zaneb | gut | 20:13 |
| jpeeler | are we trying to maintain the copy in heat-jeos with the separate repo or what? | 20:14 |
| sdake | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/aws-cloudformation-init on target for g3 deadline | 20:14 |
| jpeeler | (i can wait on that question) | 20:14 |
| asalkeld | just seperate cfn | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | jpeeler: I plan to rip cfntools out of heat-jeos and replace with a pip install | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | in the meantime, any changes will be manually synced between heat-jeos and heat-cfntools | 20:15 |
| sdake | we will try to get through as many bugs as possible - but may not be able to tackle them all in this meeting | 20:15 |
| sdake | #topic bug review | 20:15 |
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| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072906 | 20:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072906 in heat "Handle XML as well as JSON in ReST API" [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:15 |
| zaneb | that's more of a bluprint | 20:16 |
| sdake | ok, so make blueprint and remove as bug? | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | if we used wsme it comes for free | 20:16 |
| asalkeld | (what is in ceilometer) | 20:16 |
| shardy | zaneb: have you looked at the controller code, I think it could be quite simple? | 20:16 |
| zaneb | sdague: probably | 20:16 |
| zaneb | sdake: probably | 20:17 |
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| sdake | #action zaneb to move 1072906 to blueprint | 20:17 |
| zaneb | I think selecting between the two is not that hard | 20:17 |
| shardy | we already have JSON and XML serializer/deserializer implementations IIRC, so we just have to fix the content type detection | 20:17 |
| sdake | so as a blueprint, that going to make 21? | 20:17 |
| zaneb | actually getting the output in an acceptable XML format... possibly hard | 20:17 |
| zaneb | sdake: no | 20:17 |
| shardy | assuming same wsgi middleware as the CFN api that is | 20:17 |
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| sdake | ok - file as a blueprint and we can take up in h cycle and close the bug please ;) | 20:18 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:18 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072905 | 20:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072905 in heat "make template functions "Fn::" pluggable." [Medium,In progress] | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | another blueprint ;) | 20:18 |
| asalkeld | tho not a big job | 20:19 |
| * stevebaker notes that its Mark Shuttleworth's fault that blueprints are a separate thing in launchpad | 20:19 | |
| shardy | it is a confusing distinction | 20:19 |
| sdake | #action zaneb refile 1072905 as blueprint | 20:19 |
| sdake | so as a blueprint that going to make 21? | 20:19 |
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| asalkeld | let's wait and see? | 20:20 |
| sdake | would like blueprints to be stabilized so we know what work we have on our plates | 20:20 |
| zaneb | Fn:: pluggableness is actually a pretty big job | 20:21 |
| sdake | if we aren't going to finish something for g3, no sense spending effort on it now | 20:21 |
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| sdake | need to focus on g3 specific tasks | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | we could just prioritize? | 20:21 |
| zaneb | as in, Havana cycle job | 20:21 |
| sdake | ok - well still please file blueprint and close bug ;) | 20:21 |
| asalkeld | and do what we can | 20:21 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072917 | 20:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072917 in heat "heat cli: Template Body maximum length problem." [Medium,Triaged] | 20:21 |
| shardy | I need to investigate this, it's broken with qpid but works with rabbit | 20:21 |
| shardy | probably something simple, but not sure yet | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | hmm, so not much chance of replicating it in a unit test | 20:22 |
| shardy | planning to look into it next week | 20:22 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072940 | 20:22 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072940 in heat "backtrace on console 3-5 minutes after HA test completes" [Medium,In progress] | 20:22 |
| shardy | I'm pretty certain this is fixed now | 20:22 |
| shardy | The backtrace was because the create greenthread didn't get deleted, which is now does | 20:23 |
| shardy | I just need to re-run the integration test to prove | 20:23 |
| sdake | ok - so state of bug is wrong? | 20:23 |
| shardy | I was just going to re-test then close it as invalid | 20:23 |
| sdake | #action shardy to rerun ha test for 1072940 and fix state | 20:23 |
| sdake | it was a valid bug th o ;) | 20:23 |
| sdake | so close as fix commited i think | 20:23 |
| shardy | Yeah, it's not notabug anymore | 20:24 |
| shardy | was valid previously :) | 20:24 |
| shardy | ok will do | 20:24 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072948 | 20:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072948 in heat "some resource create and delete operations could block in failure scenarios" [Medium,In progress] | 20:24 |
| sdake | so this is fixed, but shardy had some problems with the patch | 20:24 |
| sdake | what is your thinking here shardy | 20:24 |
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| shardy | I think if nova is broken, heat is broken, introducing some hard-coded timeout logic is just wrong IMO | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 20:25 |
| zaneb | I think there are enough safeguards on create already | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | delete bug | 20:25 |
| zaneb | some on delete would be good though | 20:25 |
| asalkeld | we have a stack create timeout | 20:25 |
| zaneb | because state may go from ERROR -> ERROR and we have no way of detecting the transition | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | don't we have a timeout on delete? | 20:26 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: should use the same one as for create | 20:26 |
| zaneb | i.e. timeout for whole stack | 20:26 |
| asalkeld | yip | 20:26 |
| zaneb | but has same value as create timeout | 20:26 |
| sdake | however if nova breaks, there is no way for the heat user to identify nova is broken, and they may then think heat is broken | 20:27 |
| zaneb | so, pretty long wait | 20:27 |
| zaneb | sdake: I think you need timeout on nova only if instance starts in ERROR state | 20:27 |
| asalkeld | sdake, you can adjust the timeout | 20:27 |
| sdake | wedging heat entirely because nova misbehaves at some point seems wrong | 20:27 |
| shardy | but if nova (or any other core service we rely on) is broken, everything is broken | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | sdake, it won't wedge heat | 20:28 |
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| shardy | Is this a real problem, ie do we have any sort of reproducer? | 20:28 |
| asalkeld | it will timeout and fail | 20:28 |
| sdake | i have seen it happen but no reproducer | 20:28 |
| sdake | but didn't wait for a timeout from heat proper | 20:28 |
| sdake | ok well we can close bug then if everyone feels current functionality is ok | 20:29 |
| shardy | The real problem is the while True loops in the instance resource | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | ya, the timeout is big | 20:29 |
| shardy | we should just make that a specific number of retries | 20:29 |
| sdake | #action sdake 1072948 should be closed | 20:29 |
| asalkeld | we need parallel resource startup! | 20:29 |
| sdake | #action shardy to file bug with what he thinks are necessary steps to deal with problems in 1072948 | 20:29 |
| sdake | ;) | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | shardy: +1 | 20:30 |
| shardy | sdake: Ok, will do | 20:30 |
| sdake | ok #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072952 | 20:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072952 in heat "Implement Rollback feature of AWS API" [Medium,Triaged] | 20:30 |
| sdake | blueprint? | 20:30 |
| shardy | I'm planning to do that next week | 20:30 |
| shardy | can convert to blueprint if you prefer | 20:31 |
| sdake | looks like one to me | 20:31 |
| shardy | ok, will do | 20:31 |
| sdake | #action shardy to convert 1072952 to blueprint | 20:31 |
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| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072955 | 20:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072955 in heat "Implement Fn::Base64" [Low,Triaged] | 20:31 |
| sdake | I dont think this is needed | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | blueprint? | 20:31 |
| asalkeld | noop | 20:32 |
| zaneb | yeah, extremely low priority | 20:32 |
| sdake | i think it is a noop | 20:32 |
| zaneb | currently, yeah | 20:32 |
| sdake | I did implemenet this once, and it broke heat | 20:32 |
| sdake | because it passed base64 to cloudinit which didn't expect it | 20:32 |
| zaneb | could set the mime-type to cloudinit to base64 | 20:32 |
| zaneb | er, mime-encoding | 20:33 |
| sdake | #action sdake to close 1072955 | 20:33 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1087530 | 20:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1087530 in heat "sendfile possibly problematic with eventlet" [Medium,In progress] | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | sdake: don't close it, people might want to use Base64 elsewhere in their template | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21184/ | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | I realise now it is client side code only, but no harm in removing it | 20:34 |
| sdake | zaneb do you plan to fix this before 21st then? | 20:34 |
| sdake | or bump to h | 20:34 |
| sdake | #undo | 20:34 |
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| zaneb | sdake: no, just leave it open and bump imo | 20:34 |
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| sdake | #action zaneb to turn 1072955 into blueprint and bump to h | 20:34 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1087530 | 20:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1087530 in heat "sendfile possibly problematic with eventlet" [Medium,In progress] | 20:35 |
| sdake | ok that review looks good stevebaker, i'll approve after meeting | 20:35 |
| sdake | ok the rest are unassigned | 20:36 |
| sdake | lets go through those and see if any interest folks ;) | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1096013 is what I'll be working on next | 20:36 |
| sdake | also, zane is a bit busy with another task unrelated to heat for 2-4 weeks so wont be able to help with our final g push | 20:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1096013 in heat "Instance resource doesn't allow IP assignment to VPC/quantum network" [High,Triaged] | 20:36 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072935 | 20:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072935 in heat "interrupting a nosetest results in backtrace on future creations of stacks" [Low,Triaged] | 20:37 |
| sdake | developer focused bug, can probably bump to h | 20:37 |
| zaneb | sdake: can we add some more milestones? current buckets are only "grizzly-3" or "everything else" | 20:37 |
| asalkeld | h | 20:38 |
| sdake | ya i'll see if i can yet | 20:38 |
| sdake | #action sdake to bump 1072935 to h | 20:38 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072937 | 20:38 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072937 in heat "odd error from heat list after a delete" [Low,Triaged] | 20:38 |
| sdake | this is super hard to reproduce | 20:39 |
| sdake | and may not be present any longer | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | that should be heat-cfn list, not heat list | 20:39 |
| sdake | old bug | 20:39 |
| sdake | from v4 days i think ;) | 20:39 |
| zaneb | should still be around, hard to reproduce though | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | just delete it and if it happens again re-create? | 20:40 |
| zaneb | fix is there in the comments | 20:40 |
| sdake | prefer to keep a record | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | i say delete | 20:40 |
| sdake | but doens't mean we have to fix for h | 20:40 |
| asalkeld | well bump it then | 20:41 |
| zaneb | why delete when we have collected all that info about how to fix it in the bug | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | I mean close, it is still searchable | 20:41 |
| zaneb | it's still a bug too, so why close | 20:42 |
| asalkeld | yar, you can't actually delete | 20:42 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072958 | 20:42 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072958 in heat "Create a getting started guide for scaling out" [Medium,Triaged] | 20:42 |
| sdake | this seems like h material | 20:42 |
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| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072957 | 20:43 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1072957 in heat "Add role to users, similar to nova's user role assignment" [Medium,Triaged] | 20:43 |
| sdake | #action shardy to speak with keystone folks about this | 20:43 |
| shardy | I think this is an internal user->role mapping, not a keystone role? | 20:44 |
| sdake | wasn't this the bug we were speaking about earlier in the week shardy? | 20:44 |
| sdake | #undo | 20:44 |
| shardy | not high priority IMO, no users have asked for this | 20:44 |
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| shardy | no, the one we discussed is the create stack as non-admin when it creates User/AccessKey resources | 20:44 |
| sdake | right | 20:44 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1096001 | 20:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1096001 in heat "Parser Fn::GetAZs intrinsic function returns hard-coded value" [Medium,Triaged] | 20:45 |
| shardy | I contacted ayoung about it today, he thinks trusts should help us address it for h | 20:45 |
| sdake | nice | 20:45 |
| shardy | Our AZ handling is all a bit broken I think (we don't pass AZ's to nova), so I say bump to H and have an multi AZ test/fix then | 20:46 |
| sdake | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1096017 | 20:47 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1096017 in heat "AutoScalingGroup missing VPCZoneIdentifier property" [Medium,Triaged] | 20:47 |
| shardy | Unless the VPC features are landing for G, we can bump this | 20:48 |
| sdake | i am hopeful the vpc features land for g | 20:48 |
| sdake | ok well thats all the high/med bugs | 20:48 |
| sdake | there are still a few unassigned - feel free to take those up if your bored ;) | 20:48 |
| sdake | #topic integrated status | 20:49 |
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| sdake | So basically we need to present our case as to why we are integrated ready | 20:49 |
| sdake | (which is like core) | 20:49 |
| asalkeld | serious? | 20:49 |
| sdake | i'd suggest everyone send me a couple paragraphs and i'll sort it out into one email | 20:50 |
| sdake | ya serious | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | ok | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | I thought it was a review not marketing exercise | 20:50 |
| asalkeld | weird | 20:50 |
| sdake | well i could be wrong on what i read in the meeting but thats what it looked like to me | 20:50 |
| shardy | I assumed we'd be incubated for ~6months then reviewed | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | so there is "core" and "integrated" now? | 20:51 |
| sdake | ya, i think they passed new rules just yesterday on this point | 20:51 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: core is a subset of integrated | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | seems sensible, depending on the specifics of what each means | 20:52 |
| sdake | #topic open items | 20:52 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: the only difference is trademarks, effectively | 20:52 |
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| stevebaker | can we talk heat-horizon? | 20:52 |
| sdake | ok guys 3 weeks left | 20:52 |
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| sdake | please wrap up blueprints and bugs | 20:52 |
| sdake | ya what do you want to discuss about heat-horizon | 20:53 |
| stevebaker | Monty mentioned that HP need a working horizon UI to heat, and have a developer ready to pick up some heat-horizon work | 20:53 |
| sdake | cool | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | I'm thinking we should at least get heat-horizon into gerrit and launchpad | 20:54 |
| sdake | as a plugin you mean? | 20:54 |
| asalkeld | sure, stackforge? | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | it could stay in github/heat for now? | 20:55 |
| asalkeld | sure | 20:55 |
| sdake | github/heat is easy to work with | 20:55 |
| sdake | there is alot of overhead to gerrit integration | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | sdake: as a horizon plugin. Once we're "integrated" we could propose that it goes into horizon | 20:56 |
| sdake | but we can do it | 20:56 |
| sdake | ya just thinking about short circuiting the need for a plugin :) | 20:56 |
| sdake | ie propose directly in a few weeks | 20:56 |
| sdake | vs setup a bunch of infrastructure for 3-4 weeks of time | 20:56 |
| asalkeld | +1 | 20:56 |
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| stevebaker | true. I guess there is a risk that horizon devs will want it to stay as a plugin | 20:57 |
| asalkeld | tho I think you only get integrated after 8 months? | 20:57 |
| sdake | but the core of the issue is the hp dev needs a way to develop on the codebase | 20:57 |
| sdake | and that is easy to solve | 20:57 |
| sdake | may make more sense as a plugin | 20:57 |
| sdake | that is for horizon devs to decide imo ;) | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | https://github.com/heat-api/heat-horizon fyi | 20:58 |
| sdake | yup | 20:58 |
| asalkeld | 1 min... | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | thats all from me | 20:58 |
| sdake | ok thanks guys | 20:59 |
| sdake | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-06-19.59.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-02-06-19.59.txt | 20:59 |
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| mordred | sdake: crap. I was away | 23:15 |
| mordred | heat-horizon? | 23:16 |
| mordred | which is to say ... yes, I thnk we should get it into stackforge | 23:16 |
| mordred | and I thnk that we should put it in as stackforge/thermal | 23:16 |
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