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| Daisy | Hello. | 13:07 |
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| writerDiane | Hi! | 13:07 |
| Daisy | Is Anne or Tom there? | 13:07 |
| Daisy | Hi, Diane | 13:07 |
| Daisy | I think it's time for doc meeting. Am I right? | 13:08 |
| writerDiane | That's what I thought! Don't know where they are. | 13:08 |
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| fifieldt | Daisy, did I miss the meeting? | 13:25 |
| Daisy | Hi, Tom | 13:25 |
| Daisy | No, the meeting is not started. | 13:25 |
| fifieldt | oh | 13:25 |
| EmilienM | when does it start ? :) | 13:25 |
| fifieldt | phew! | 13:25 |
| fifieldt | My impression was that it was starting at 1300 UTC | 13:26 |
| fifieldt | which is ~26 mins ago | 13:26 |
| Daisy | Exactly. | 13:26 |
| fifieldt | ok, so my guess is we have no Anne? | 13:26 |
| Daisy | I think maybe we schedule another time for next meeting. | 13:26 |
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| Daisy | I think 1300 UTC is too early for Anne. | 13:27 |
| fifieldt | yeah, probably | 13:27 |
| Daisy | Maybe 30 minutes late, i.e. 1330 UTC | 13:27 |
| fifieldt | that's fine for me | 13:27 |
| fifieldt | is it OK for you? | 13:27 |
| Daisy | It should be 12:30 am for you? | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | yup | 13:28 |
| writerDiane | Ok! | 13:28 |
| fifieldt | in my old job I had one day with meetings at : 1800, 0000, 0300, 0600, 1000 ... it was fun :) | 13:28 |
| Daisy | You can have a short sleep before the meeting. :) | 13:29 |
| writerDiane | Or just sleep during the meeting! :) | 13:29 |
| Daisy | Let's discuss it with Anne when she comes. | 13:29 |
| fifieldt | in the mean time we could discuss the action items from the previous meeting | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | since I believe they are all having clear outcomes | 13:30 |
| Daisy | ok. Let's start the meting. | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | #startmeeting docwebteam | 13:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 13:30:44 2013 UTC. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docwebteam' | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | ok | 13:30 |
| fifieldt | so the previous meeting was on 2013-01-08 | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | we had 4 action items | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | #1: annegentle-web to share the proposal for the book sprint | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | I believe Anne did this and asked for feedback on the outline on etherpad | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | can someone confirm? | 13:31 |
| fifieldt | #info http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 13:32 |
| fifieldt | #topic action items | 13:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:32 | |
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| Daisy | In my mind, I didn't see it. I'm checking my mail. | 13:33 |
| fifieldt | thanks Daisy | 13:33 |
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| EmilienM | hello | 13:33 |
| fifieldt | hi EmilienM | 13:33 |
| Daisy | I don't find such mail in my mail box. | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | OK, so maybe she hasn't done it yet | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | that's fine | 13:34 |
| Daisy | Yeah. Maybe she is too busy. | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | so I would propose that she, or some delegate explain the principle of the doc sprint and ask for feedback onto the etherpad ? | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/EssexOperationsGuide | 13:34 |
| fifieldt | does that sound reasonable?> | 13:35 |
| Daisy | I'm fine with it. | 13:35 |
| fifieldt | #action AnneGentle or delegate to explain the principle of the doc sprint and ask for feedback onto the etherpad prior to the doc sprint (i.e. this week ASAP) | 13:35 |
| fifieldt | OK, the next action item | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | #2: annegentle-web to investigate wiki migration status | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | I believe that I saw an email about this from Anne | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | [Openstack] Progress on wiki migration to Mediawiki on 19/1 | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | so I believe this action item is done | 13:36 |
| fifieldt | the next action item | 13:37 |
| fifieldt | #3: Daisy write up what the role of a lead translator would be? And what permissions they'd need where? | 13:37 |
| fifieldt | Daisy, I saw the email from you today | 13:37 |
| fifieldt | so I'd consider that you did this quite well and are just waiting on feedback ? | 13:37 |
| Daisy | Oh. My mail doesn't cover this topic. | 13:37 |
| Daisy | I can write another mail this week to include this information. | 13:37 |
| fifieldt | that would be excellent, I think | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | perhaps tied in with your existing proposal somehow? :) you're the expert .... | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | #action Daisy write up what the role of a lead translator would be? And what permissions they'd need where? | 13:38 |
| fifieldt | #action all to provide feedback on Daisy's proposal for translation access control | 13:39 |
| Daisy | I'm on vacation this week, Tom, for Chinese New years holiday. | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | The final action point we have listed is: | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | of course! | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | please, enjoy your holiday! | 13:39 |
| Daisy | So I will do it next week week. | 13:39 |
| fifieldt | this seems entirely reasonable :) | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | 恭喜发财 | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | #4 EmilienM to reply to comments & fix bugs if they exist. | 13:40 |
| fifieldt | EmilienM, are you happy with the bug progress compared to last meeting? | 13:40 |
| EmilienM | fifieldt: yes :) | 13:41 |
| fifieldt | is anything bothering you (apart from our overwhelming lack of people) ? :) | 13:41 |
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| fifieldt | ok, cool - let's consider this one ongoing work, rather than a specific action item | 13:42 |
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| fifieldt | ladquin, just pinging you in case you're around for the doc meeting and need anything :) | 13:42 |
| ladquin | I am. Hey there, folks | 13:42 |
| fifieldt | Hi ladquin! | 13:43 |
| ladquin | but no needs so far, thanks! | 13:43 |
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| fifieldt | All, after our action items the next on the agenda is : Wiki migration, Grizzly priorities, Do we need an #openstack-doc IRC channel?, Doc tools update, Open discussion | 13:43 |
| fifieldt | does anyone have anything to add to that agenda? | 13:43 |
| Daisy | no, I don't have. | 13:44 |
| fifieldt | thanks Daisy -- EmilienM, writerDiane ? | 13:45 |
| fifieldt | ok, assuming not | 13:47 |
| fifieldt | I don't want to touch wiki migration without AnneGentle | 13:47 |
| fifieldt | but perhaps we can do an easy one like "Do we need an #openstack-doc IRC channel?" | 13:48 |
| fifieldt | do people want to attempt to answer that? | 13:48 |
| fifieldt | #topic Do we need an #openstack-doc IRC channel? | 13:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Do we need an #openstack-doc IRC channel? (Meeting topic: docwebteam)" | 13:48 | |
| EmilienM | yes ! | 13:49 |
| fifieldt | cool | 13:50 |
| Daisy | I'm glad to have one, although I cannot answer why. | 13:50 |
| fifieldt | indeed | 13:50 |
| fifieldt | I'm interested in justifications too | 13:50 |
| fifieldt | here's a potential one: for coordination between the documentation team, to promote interactive discussions, rather than having them via email | 13:50 |
| Daisy | I guess, some doc team members should be there any time, in order to answer questions from developers and users. | 13:50 |
| fifieldt | that's also good | 13:51 |
| ladquin | I think it'd be worth it. Lurking in -dev I see many of the questions are about docs, so even if we're few people at first, it would get crowded soon, I guess | 13:51 |
| fifieldt | indeed, so many questions about docs ladquin | 13:51 |
| Daisy | great explaination, ladquin ! | 13:51 |
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| EmilienM | fifieldt: +1 | 13:52 |
| writerDiane | I agree - separate openstack-docs would be good | 13:52 |
| fifieldt | ok, it seems we're in agreeance | 13:52 |
| Daisy | great ! | 13:52 |
| fifieldt | #action all to start using #openstack-docs | 13:52 |
| fifieldt | #action AnneGentle to formalise #openstack-docs, including justification for separate channel and any other necessary work to register the channel | 13:53 |
| Daisy | we shall broadcast it to the community. | 13:53 |
| fifieldt | #action AnneGentle to email the community once the channel is setup | 13:53 |
| fifieldt | :) | 13:53 |
| fifieldt | Assigning action items to people who aren't here is evil .. but fun | 13:53 |
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| Daisy | hehe | 13:53 |
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| Daisy | good work, Tom. | 13:54 |
| fifieldt | So left on the agenda we have: Wiki migration, Grizzly priorities, Doc tools update, Open discussion | 13:54 |
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| fifieldt | So left on the agenda we have: Wiki migration, Grizzly priorities, Doc tools update, Open discussion | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | I'm not sure on the wiki migration status, but perhaps we could look at Grizzly priorities | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | #topic Grizzly Priorities | 13:55 |
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| Daisy | I agree. | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/grizzly | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+milestone/grizzly | 13:55 |
| fifieldt | first, ladquin, do you have a feeling on how things are going for grizzly API-wise? | 13:56 |
| fifieldt | it seems like you're doing quite well | 13:56 |
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| ladquin | fifieldt, I think we might be ok for grizzly, but it seems tome that there are some unreported work thats not there too | 13:58 |
| fifieldt | ah, right | 13:58 |
| ladquin | annegentle may give us a better idea | 13:58 |
| fifieldt | are you going to be looking for missing things, or do you need us to remind people to use DocImpact again for API changes? | 13:58 |
| fifieldt | While Laura is looking, here are the stats for the manuals project right now: 19 New, 47 Confirmed, 1 Triaged, 2 In Progress, 15 Fix Released | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | it's a lot of work | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | with pretty much everything marked as "Medium" | 14:00 |
| ladquin | fifieldt, oh no they use it a lot! :P but perhaps I'm going through too much detail | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | no worries :) | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | OK - so just let just know if you need anything | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | looking at the grizzly milesone bug lists for both projects, is there anything that jumps out as more important or less important for people? | 14:01 |
| ladquin | fifieldt, what I'm really missing right now is samples, I've filed some bugs, but I can try to generate them myself (under supervision) | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | ah, right | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | do you need a test environment ladquin? | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | personally, I think Quantum and Cinder docs right now are lacking. I also really want to see Cells as a first-class citizen of the documents | 14:03 |
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| fifieldt | any other ideas? | 14:03 |
| ladquin | I do have one, I just couldn't dedicate a lot of time to testing the apis, as it was not a priority (maybe now) | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | no dramas :) | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | my personal aim: get the grizzly version of everything out to the release as close as possible | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | ok, since noone has any ideas right now, I propose we take this discussion back to the mailing list | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | #action all to discuss grizzly priorities on the mailing list (and work on them!) | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | Since we don't have the people here to talk about wiki migration or doc tools, this only leaves open discussion | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | #topic open discussion | 14:06 |
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| fifieldt | over to you, EmilienM, lorin1, ladquin, Daisy for your thoughts on anything and everything :) | 14:06 |
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| lorin1 | Don't really have anything to add here... | 14:08 |
| lorin1 | Oh, I should mention the Cells docs | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | ya? | 14:09 |
| lorin1 | I have a WIP branch, I'm waiting for Chris Behrens to give me the OK that's accurate. | 14:09 |
| lorin1 | I pinged him a couple of days ago on this, he said all of the pending code landed, he needs to look over the docs again. | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | Sometimes Chris is slow | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | if you need help, we're running Cells in production | 14:10 |
| lorin1 | Is there someone else we could ping re cells? | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | so I might be able to look over it with colleagues | 14:10 |
| lorin1 | fifeldt: Can you look over the WIP branch? | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | sure | 14:10 |
| lorin1 | OK, I'm going to set it to a regular merge proposal. | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to look over Cells WIP branch or ask his colleagues to fix it | 14:10 |
| lorin1 | Also, I'd like to eventually morph that into a chapter on "Partitioning your OpenStack cloud" and provide an overview of regions, zones, cells, availability zones, and host aggregates. | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | sounds sorely needed | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | :) | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | OK, if noone else has anything to say ... we can close the meeting? | 14:12 |
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| Daisy | ok | 14:12 |
| lorin1 | good for me. | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | EmilienM ? | 14:12 |
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| fifieldt | Excellent. Thanks all for attending the meeting. I'll try to followup with Anne about the meeting time and hope to see all of you on the mailing list until next meeting :) | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | #action fifieldt to followup with AnneGentle about the meeting time | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | #endmeeting | 14:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 14:13:51 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-02-12-13.30.html | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-02-12-13.30.txt | 14:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docwebteam/2013/docwebteam.2013-02-12-13.30.log.html | 14:13 |
| Daisy | Thanks, Tom. | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | Thanks all :) | 14:14 |
| ladquin | thank you! | 14:14 |
| Daisy | Have a good night ! | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | cheers, sleep well - whenever that is in your timezones :) | 14:14 |
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| primeministerp | #startmeeting hyper-v | 15:56 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 15:56:59 2013 UTC. The chair is primeministerp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:57 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:57 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 15:57 |
| primeministerp | hi everyone | 15:57 |
| primeministerp | couple of things to discuss today | 15:57 |
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| iben-mobile | Hello | 15:57 |
| primeministerp | iben-mobile: how are things going on your end | 15:57 |
| pnavarro | hello people | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: are you with us | 15:58 |
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| alexpilotti | hi there! | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | pnavarro: hi pedro | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | ok | 15:58 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: is tavi coming today? | 15:59 |
| alexpilotti | yes | 15:59 |
| primeministerp | perfecto | 15:59 |
| primeministerp | shall we begin | 15:59 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 15:59 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti has been working quite hard at getting the resize feature done | 15:59 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: i know the first part got a +2 | 16:00 |
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| primeministerp | has there been any additional activity? | 16:00 |
| alexpilotti | yes, everything is looking well | 16:00 |
| alexpilotti | features are done | 16:00 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:00 |
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| alexpilotti | There are a lot of conductor related issues | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: continue... | 16:01 |
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| alexpilotti | so we have to test them as well to help in fixing them | 16:01 |
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| ociuhandu | hi all, sorry for being late :) | 16:01 |
| alexpilotti | resize is not tested by tempest | 16:01 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: no worries | 16:01 |
| alexpilotti | so a lot of issues simply got through | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: we'll have to write that | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | i'm assuming | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | the tempest bits | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | and they discovered them now that we started testing them :-) | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | ahh | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | nice | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | that's a good thing | 16:02 |
| iben | things are going good - slow but steady - getting customer resources lined up to expand project internally | 16:02 |
| alexpilotti | when I say missing resize on Tempest, I mean on KVM etc as well | 16:02 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: do you have specific bugs | 16:02 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: ahh | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | plenty :-) | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: so it really wasn't be testing | 16:03 |
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| primeministerp | er tested | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1120402 | 16:03 |
| primeministerp | iben: great | 16:03 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1120402 in nova "ConfigDrive uses metadata service which hits the database from within nova-compute" [High,In progress] | 16:03 |
| alexpilotti | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1119873 | 16:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1119873 in nova "nova-compute crashes if restarted with an instance in VERIFY_RESIZE state" [High,Triaged] | 16:03 |
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| alexpilotti | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1119817 | 16:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1119817 in nova "Missing exception data for exceptions raised in resize methods" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 16:04 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: thx | 16:04 |
| alexpilotti | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1117882 | 16:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1117882 in nova "Resize doesn't apply the hypervisor_type filter in choosing the migration target" [High,Triaged] | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | the last one is a big issue | 16:04 |
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| primeministerp | looking now | 16:04 |
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| alexpilotti | it tries to migrate from Hyper-V to KVM :-) | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | o yes | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | we discussed | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | was taking a second to load | 16:05 |
| alexpilotti | even if the image has a hypervisor property set | 16:05 |
| primeministerp | yeah that's to good | 16:06 |
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| alexpilotti | dansmith is working hard to fix them | 16:06 |
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| primeministerp | ok | 16:07 |
| alexpilotti | I did quite a lot of extensive testing on resize, so hopefully we won't have big surprises :-) | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | I think we'll be in a good position to start adding some value to the testing once we're back from redmond | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: great | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | moving on | 16:07 |
| primeministerp | to the other issues that need to be addressed | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | But before the Grizzly release after G3, It'd be great to have some community help in testing all the feature | 16:08 |
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| primeministerp | as always | 16:08 |
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| pnavarro | beers for bugs | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | hahahah | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | I'm not putting that in writing | 16:08 |
| alexpilotti | pnavarro: sure, plenty! :-) | 16:08 |
| iben | ;-) | 16:08 |
| primeministerp | ... but see me at the summit | 16:09 |
| alexpilotti | (of beers, not of bugs, hopefully) | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | so | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | actually | 16:09 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: ping | 16:09 |
| luis_fdez | yep | 16:09 |
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| primeministerp | luis_fdez: any chance you'll be able to check out the resize bits? | 16:09 |
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| luis_fdez | as I'm excited after reciving the mail of alexpilotti, I think I'll try it!! hehe | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | #topic missing features | 16:10 |
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| primeministerp | so moving on | 16:10 |
| primeministerp | we have some area's that need to be addressed | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | specifically in terms of resize on boot | 16:11 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: is it important for you guys th eresize on boot? | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | and •ephemeral storage | 16:11 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: resize on boot is important for everyone i would imagine | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | I mean currently Hyper-V deploys the glance image w/o resizing it | 16:12 |
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| primeministerp | alexpilotti: storing windows images can become quite horrible | 16:12 |
| luis_fdez | alexpilotti: I think it would be useful as our environment could mix really different flavors | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: up to a point, private clouds might simply not care as they have tailored images | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: nod | 16:12 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: cool | 16:12 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: but generally being able expand to a specific size at boot is useful | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | BTW the current version of resize expands the VHDs, but not the guest partitions | 16:13 |
| alexpilotti | I'm thinking about adding a simple feature to Cloudbase-init | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: I was going to say | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | that would have to be handled by the booting os | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | to simply expand the last partition ;-) | 16:14 |
| luis_fdez | as a starting point is ok, from an unattend file is easy to expand the partition to the new size when the vm is deployed | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: that might be a great workaround | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | yep, IMO is a guest os thing | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | luis_fdez: that would work too | 16:14 |
| alexpilotti | I frankly don't like too much the fact that the Hypervirso fiddles with guest OS partitions | 16:14 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: seperation of church and state is key | 16:15 |
| primeministerp | ;) | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | It will be necessary for AKI/AMI/ARI | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | lol | 16:15 |
| alexpilotti | In Italy we try to repeat it since a few centuries, but it doesn'r really work ;-) | 16:16 |
| luis_fdez | hehe | 16:16 |
| pnavarro | alexpilotti: +1 | 16:16 |
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| alexpilotti | so about resize on boot | 16:16 |
| alexpilotti | a big advantage of VHDX over VHD is that it handles resize of differential disks | 16:17 |
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| alexpilotti | we could add resize on bot now, before closing Grizzly on VHD but: | 16:17 |
| alexpilotti | if a CoW image comes in, we need to convert it to non CoW before resizing it OR, and here comes the trick: | 16:18 |
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| alexpilotti | we copy the base disk for each requested flavor and we resize that one. | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | before creating the diff disk | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | so the format will be e.g.: | 16:18 |
| alexpilotti | <image_id>_<flavor_id>.vhd | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | and we can go on w CoW as usual | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | the only drawback is that it's not possible to change a flavor's size after the first deployment | 16:19 |
| luis_fdez | and what's the main drawback in that case? | 16:19 |
| alexpilotti | luis_fdez: ^ | 16:19 |
| luis_fdez | hehe, you read my mind! | 16:20 |
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| alexpilotti | so if you need to change a flavor, you simply change ID as well :-) | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: well strictly from a security perspective it's not a good thing | 16:20 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: why? | 16:20 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: sorry | 16:21 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: was talking about the hypervisor controlling guest bits | 16:21 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: ok :-) | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: i was sidetracked for a moment | 16:22 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: "a moment" ? :-D | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: people talking to me | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | distracting my attention | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | so | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | back to the missing features | 16:22 |
| primeministerp | I think they are on the list for H | 16:23 |
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| alexpilotti | primeministerp: here's a quick list, Nova related: | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | - Nova dynamic memory | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | - Nova ephemeral storage | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | - Nova progress update | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | - Nova resize on spawn (currently images are not resized) | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | - Nova support for AMI / ARI / AKI | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | - Nova guest FS resize (at least: NTFS, EXT2-4) | 16:24 |
| alexpilotti | -Nova rescue | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | I don't think i had rescue on my list | 16:24 |
| primeministerp | perfect thx | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | primeministerp: yes sorry, it's a new entry :-) | 16:25 |
| primeministerp | add it yours ;) | 16:25 |
| primeministerp | yours it more important at this time | 16:25 |
| alexpilotti | it got added today, was going to send it w the rest later | 16:25 |
| primeministerp | great | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | so moving on | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | anyway, the good news is that no big features are missing | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: that's what we were shooting for | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | alexpilotti: great work | 16:26 |
| alexpilotti | merci :-) | 16:26 |
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| alexpilotti | resize was the last big thing | 16:26 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: ping | 16:27 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: pong | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | #topic general updates | 16:27 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: got my scripts running out unattend.xml | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: debugging puppet install | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | now | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: i'll be back in the office tomorrow | 16:27 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: we can start testing the whole compute node deployment then | 16:28 |
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| ociuhandu | primeministerp: great | 16:28 |
| primeministerp | ociuhandu: I made good progress this am | 16:28 |
| alexpilotti | vishy: hi, any chance you could take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21695/ :-) | 16:28 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: excellent | 16:29 |
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| primeministerp | anyone have anything else they would like to add | 16:29 |
| primeministerp | ok | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | if not I'm closing it | 16:30 |
| alexpilotti | ok! | 16:30 |
| primeministerp | #endmeeting | 16:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 16:30:51 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-02-12-15.56.html | 16:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-02-12-15.56.txt | 16:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-02-12-15.56.log.html | 16:30 |
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| primeministerp | thanks everyone | 16:31 |
| alexpilotti | tx! | 16:31 |
| ociuhandu | primeministerp: going to ping you later | 16:31 |
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| primeministerp | ociuhandu: ok | 16:33 |
| tsygrl | Sorry i missed meeting ! | 16:35 |
| tsygrl | Is there anyone here i can talk to about the website - i found a bit of an error in one of the pages at openstack.org. | 16:35 |
| alexpilotti | tsygrl: sure, which one? | 16:36 |
| tsygrl | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html | 16:38 |
| tsygrl | The description of the ubuntu install does not tell to install the swift packages. | 16:38 |
| tsygrl | (just the redhat family description) | 16:38 |
| alexpilotti | tsygrl: we just finished a OpenStack Hyper-V meeting :-) | 16:38 |
| alexpilotti | tsygrl: so I cannot help you too much w Swift related documentation | 16:39 |
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| tsygrl | alexpilotti, who could help - i want the docs to be the best possible .... | 16:39 |
| alexpilotti | tsygrl: I suggest you to ask in #OpenStack-Swift | 16:39 |
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| tsygrl | alexpilotti, heading over there. | 16:40 |
| alexpilotti | tx vishy! | 16:44 |
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| topol | keystone time? | 17:58 |
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| stevemar | topol: soon | 17:59 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| topol | Hi | 18:01 |
| stevemar | henrynash: hello | 18:01 |
| gyee | \o | 18:01 |
| kwss | hi | 18:01 |
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| heckj | morning! | 18:02 |
| heckj | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 18:02:18 2013 UTC. The chair is heckj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| heckj | who's around? | 18:02 |
| topol | topol is here | 18:02 |
| henrynash | heckj: hi | 18:02 |
| kwss | hello | 18:02 |
| stevemar | heckj: hello | 18:02 |
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| heckj | excellent! Welcome all | 18:03 |
| spzala | Hello! | 18:03 |
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| heckj | grabbing up the agenda | 18:03 |
| heckj | pretty stock - agenda at #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:03 |
| heckj | ayoung? dolphm? either of you around? | 18:03 |
| topol | heckj, I had a quick question that I wanted to add to the agenda. Sent it to dolphm but forgot to send to you | 18:03 |
| heckj | topol no problem - whatcha got? | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | i'm here | 18:04 |
| heckj | #topic burning issues | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "burning issues (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| dolphm | topol: you should be able to edit the agenda with a wiki account | 18:04 |
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| heckj | topol: in the future, please do edit the agenda - common place to keep us organized | 18:05 |
| topol | dolphm, another newbie error by me. will do that next time. | 18:05 |
| heckj | Anything top on the list? | 18:05 |
| dolphm | heckj: just review! review! review! | 18:05 |
| heckj | gyee: last time, this was almost entirely focused on auth API - you good? | 18:05 |
| heckj | heh | 18:05 |
| topol | my question was regarding my devstack keystone ldap identity driver work | 18:05 |
| topol | So in keystone.conf I set user_attribute_ignore = tenant_id,tenants,enabled and this allowed me to now successfully add a user using the ldap backend. My question is for getting keystone ldap to work from devstack should we just do this or am I hiding stuff under the rug and we really need to store the enabled attribute and thus we should add an extra objectClass to address this? | 18:05 |
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| gyee | heckj, yeah | 18:05 |
| gyee | making good progress, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21487/ | 18:06 |
| heckj | topol: cool, we'll come back to that | 18:06 |
| gyee | missing tests and doc | 18:06 |
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| gyee | I am working on the tests at the moment | 18:06 |
| dolphm | topol: i think we'd definitely prefer a place to store it, especially in tests | 18:06 |
| heckj | #topic blueprint statii | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprint statii (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:06 | |
| heckj | We have grizzly-3 milestone coming up in just over a week - that's the feature freeze time | 18:07 |
| heckj | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 18:07 |
| dolphm | i believe the last piece of bp default-domain is gating right now | 18:07 |
| heckj | dolphm: excellent | 18:07 |
| gyee | 9 more days! | 18:08 |
| topol | I have free cycles to review stuff so let me know what is most critical | 18:08 |
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| heckj | gyee: pluggable authn also coming in with the API implementation? | 18:08 |
| henrynash | heckj: …and that same change includes all the domain-scoping prep work…so ready to plug into v3 auth | 18:08 |
| gyee | heckj, yes, there are 3 bps in there | 18:08 |
| dolphm | topol: anything that's not specifically a bug | 18:08 |
| topol | dolphm: Will do! | 18:09 |
| dolphm | gyee's review is definitely most critical of all | 18:09 |
| heckj | for all - the thing that will make this next week go the most smoothly with be consistent and clear reviews. If you can, please look over the list daily and update any that you see. | 18:09 |
| dolphm | heckj: +10 | 18:09 |
| henrynash | heckj: on domain name spaces, we agreed the spec change…and the good news is that the work on top of the domain-scoping is really just to ensure name uniques constraints are set right | 18:09 |
| topol | will do Gyees today | 18:09 |
| heckj | Anyone know status from ayoung on token trusts and the replacement of tenant-membership with role? | 18:10 |
| heckj | link for reviews: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+keystone,n,z | 18:11 |
| henrynash | heckj: review is up, not quite there…I did suggest an alternative approach to what he is doing that *may* be simpler (its a comment on his review) | 18:11 |
| henrynash | see my comment to patch 4: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21327/ | 18:12 |
| heckj | kk | 18:12 |
| dolphm | heckj: would love to get tenant-membership refactor in ASAP, and ayoung said he was going to tackle the identity-api for trusts related changes as well | 18:13 |
| heckj | Okay - I've got what I need to update for the release meeting anyway. | 18:14 |
| heckj | #topic Topol's LDAP question | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | ayoung is also blocking bp additional-endpoint-metadata which is just a giant nice-to-have for grizzly -- not sure how to resolve his concern | 18:14 |
| henrynash | dolphm: take a look at my suggestion on tenant-membership….I may be missing something | 18:14 |
| heckj | topol said: So in keystone.conf I set user_attribute_ignore = tenant_id,tenants,enabled and this allowed me to now successfully add a user using the ldap backend. My question is for getting keystone ldap to work from devstack should we just do this or am I hiding stuff under the rug and we really need to store the enabled attribute and thus we should add an extra objectClass to address this? | 18:14 |
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| dolphm | bp additional-endpoint-metadata https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20075/ | 18:14 |
| dolphm | heckj: will do | 18:14 |
| dolphm | heckj: topol: i imagine we want to A) have a conventional way to store the enabled attribute, B) demonstrate that convention in devstack | 18:15 |
| topol | so enabled is giving me trouble for both add user and add tenant | 18:15 |
| dolphm | topol: how so? | 18:16 |
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| topol | Both do not currently include an objectclass that has a good place to map the enabled value to that i know of | 18:17 |
| topol | for AddUser what attribute of InetOrgPerson should I use for enabled? | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | topol: do you have a suggestion for what to use? | 18:18 |
| dwchadwick | You can invent your own boolean attribute and object class, call it a Keystone related name | 18:18 |
| topol | Same question for addTenant | 18:18 |
| topol | Was hoping folks knew of an existing one. Otherwise I will invent my own. But wanted to check with you all first | 18:19 |
| dwchadwick | Eg. Enabled attribute syntax boolean. Keystone Object class must contain Enabled attribute | 18:19 |
| dolphm | topol: i'd say invent your own and work it out in code review, if anyone has a better solution | 18:19 |
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| topol | K. I will do it as dwchadwick recommends. I'll open it as a bug on devstack cause thats where my changes will go. THANKS! | 18:20 |
| dolphm | (i'm stepping away from my desk for now -- will hopefully be back before the official meeting end time) | 18:20 |
| heckj | topol: sounds like a plan. | 18:21 |
| heckj | #topic keystoneclient or openstackclient support | 18:21 |
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| henrynash | heckj: I put this on | 18:22 |
| heckj | Not sure who/what this topic is specifically about - anyone have th detail? | 18:22 |
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| heckj | All yours | 18:22 |
| henrynash | just wanted to get some clarity…we have Steve on I think who is working on adding v3 cli support | 18:22 |
| stevemar | yes, currently adding v3 support to openstackclient | 18:23 |
| henrynash | the intention had been to do this in the openstackclient , rather than update the keystone specific cleint | 18:23 |
| henrynash | …put impression from Dean is that the openstackclient is on a different schedule, maybe not be shipped with the main Girzzly release etc. | 18:23 |
| henrynash | did we get the correct impression, or did we misread that? | 18:24 |
| heckj | you got the correct impression. | 18:24 |
| henrynash | hence…do we need a cli v3 client for keystone at Grizzly release? | 18:24 |
| heckj | The clients in general are all on their own cycle, with the intention (unfortunately, more than the reality) that they always maintain backwards compatibility | 18:24 |
| heckj | We *don't* need it - but it would be nice. At a minimum, I we need keystoneclient to support the same V3 auth, but that's more about our integration testing across both sides than an otherwise specific need. | 18:25 |
| henrynash | heckj: would it be beneficial if we gave the keystone client some v3 cli capability? | 18:25 |
| gyee | phew! I was think we have to hookup the auth apis for keystoneclient by 21st :) | 18:25 |
| heckj | That said, we won't get uptake without clients supporting the API | 18:25 |
| heckj | henrynash: absolutely | 18:25 |
| heckj | gyee: you may find you have to anyway to do the full cycle testing | 18:26 |
| henrynash | heckj: so Steve and others are ready to pitch in and try and add this to keystone client if this would help | 18:26 |
| heckj | we won't be able to get V3 enabled in devstack until the client fully supports it, and that will be the next large critical step to getting it accepted as the new API | 18:26 |
| gyee | I can definitely use some help on the keystoneclient side | 18:26 |
| gyee | right now I am just adding tests for keystone only | 18:27 |
| heckj | henrynash: stevemar: that help would be very, very welcome! | 18:27 |
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| stevemar | gyee: i'm able and willing | 18:27 |
| topol | gyee, we will have Gordon Chung connect with you to help | 18:27 |
| henrynash | heckj: ok, sign us up | 18:27 |
| gyee | thanks! | 18:27 |
| heckj | #topic open conversation | 18:27 |
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| topol | (and Steve) :-) | 18:28 |
| heckj | er, unless you've more there Henry? | 18:28 |
| henrynash | heckj: nope, that's it | 18:28 |
| henrynash | so one, thing for open discussion: we need to pull in the oslo policy engine | 18:28 |
| henrynash | …and then really take a close look at what a v3 policy.json file will likely look at and makes sure er think a customer could control the api in a sensible fashion | 18:29 |
| henrynash | I'll take that if nobody else wants to :-) | 18:30 |
| heckj | henrynash: yeah, makes sense | 18:30 |
| dwchadwick | there is a standard json api for a policy engine recently been released by the XACML group | 18:31 |
| dwchadwick | we should consider using this | 18:31 |
| dwchadwick | If this is going to become the standard api for policy engines then we would be silly to reinvent our own | 18:32 |
| henrynash | dwchadwick: sounds like the route to that would be for the oslo team to consider it and then we would pick it up if it gets endoresed | 18:32 |
| dwchadwick | we already use the XACML XML api for our policy engine | 18:32 |
| dwchadwick | We are going to migrate our policy engine to this api anyway | 18:33 |
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| dwchadwick | I guess I should get in touch with the oslo team. How do I contact them | 18:33 |
| henrynash | heckj: ? | 18:33 |
| heckj | dwchadwick: how different are the implementations and semantics of the policy engines? If there's a huge mismatch, we're looking at a lot of work to make it fit on top of the effort of changing across all of openstack | 18:34 |
| heckj | oslo team lead is effectively markmc (Mark McLoughlin - probably just mangled his name) - would ask on #openstack-dev for him (he's in dchadwick's timezones) or scan through the mailing list | 18:35 |
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| dwchadwick | I will do this, thanks | 18:37 |
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| heckj | henrynash: how familiar are you with devstack? | 18:37 |
| henrynash | heckj: fyi, we have a discussion going on regarding whether we can feed filter attributes into the policy engine | 18:37 |
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| heckj | dwchadwick: sounds good - looking forward to hearing the latest | 18:37 |
| topol | heckj: I know a little devstack | 18:38 |
| henrynash | heckj: oops, sorry crossed questions | 18:38 |
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| heckj | no worries | 18:38 |
| henrynash | heckj: tool probably knows more than me :-) | 18:38 |
| topol | henrynash, in US english calling someone a tool is an insult :-) | 18:39 |
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| dwchadwick | he took the p out of you ;-) | 18:40 |
| topol | He must know me :-) | 18:40 |
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| henrynash | heckj: idea is that if someone does, e.g. GET /users?{domain_id="my domain"} can we ensure the policy engine will let us protect this call by whether I have a domain scoped token to "my domain" | 18:40 |
| henrynash | topol: oops, sorry, good thing I do know you :-) | 18:40 |
| henrynash | the sound of silence….. | 18:42 |
| heckj | sorry - in two meetings at once - back in a sec | 18:42 |
| topol | :-) | 18:42 |
| dwchadwick | the whole issue of access control to the policy engine is an interesting one, because you could easily introduce recursions (policy controling access to policy engine ;-) | 18:42 |
| dwchadwick | Out of interest, who is allowed to call the policy engine | 18:44 |
| heckj | jumping back up the stack in my head - I think it's clear we want to be able to feed in additionla additbutes into the policy engine to let it work against that additional set of data | 18:45 |
| henrynash | dwchadwick: so each service calls the policy engine with a) the details of the request and b) details extracted from the token provided by the caller | 18:45 |
| heckj | dwchadwick: the policy engine is called by each of the services - they "own" their authroization, and use the common library to enable it | 18:46 |
| dwchadwick | but what is to stop me using a client to call the same API? | 18:46 |
| henrynash | dwchawick: it is not exposed | 18:46 |
| dwchadwick | but it exists at some URL. | 18:47 |
| henrynash | errr, don;t think so | 18:47 |
| dwchadwick | so its not a RESTful API | 18:47 |
| dwchadwick | The XACML json api is restful I believe | 18:47 |
| henrynash | (correct me anyone if I have this wrong_ but its a private call internal to each serbice | 18:47 |
| henrynash | service | 18:47 |
| heckj | it's not a restful API, it's a python API internal to the services | 18:48 |
| henrynash | dwchadwick:….and not everyone has the same version of the policy engine….yet | 18:48 |
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| dwchadwick | Ok understood. Then perhaps the oslo team wont be so keen on the XACML approach | 18:49 |
| henrynash | dwchadwick: I would not assume that | 18:49 |
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| heckj | pretty much everything the oslo team is doing it python libraries in use by multiple services, but I don't think anything's really off the table | 18:49 |
| henrynash | policy engine as a new OS service? | 18:49 |
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| dwchadwick | what we have done is SSL enabled the link to the policy API so that only trusted clients can call it | 18:50 |
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| henrynash | (hmmm…but it needs to be fast as it is called inline as part of every call) | 18:50 |
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| dwchadwick | I know. Ours is not fast, not when you do SOAP and XML and SSL | 18:51 |
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| dwchadwick | We have a programmable API as well that is fast | 18:51 |
| dwchadwick | this is more equivalent to the python call | 18:51 |
| henrynash | dwchadwick: probably... | 18:51 |
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| henrynash | any other issues…don't want to hog the floor | 18:52 |
| henrynash | (probably a UK expression, that) | 18:52 |
| dwchadwick | Just to let you know that Kristy has almost finished implementing the federated keystone blueprint of Adam | 18:52 |
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| dwchadwick | But using our federation infrastructure instead of his kerberos like mechanism | 18:53 |
| gyee | henrynash, have you give some thought into how to migrate the swift ACLs with <tenant name>:<username>? | 18:53 |
| gyee | or *:<username>? | 18:53 |
| henrynash | gyee: so an initial review is that we might get away with it for now…..but still trying to get this confirmed..gyee/heckj: who would be the best person in swift to chat to? | 18:54 |
| gyee | I implemented the cross-tenant ACLs :) | 18:55 |
| heckj | henrynash: really good question | 18:55 |
| gyee | the latest ones anyway | 18:55 |
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| heckj | henrynash: I'd suggest starting with chmouel - he has excellent cross knowledge there, but also worth just hopping to the top (jon dickinson) | 18:56 |
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| notmyname | s/jon/john/ ;-) | 18:56 |
| heckj | sorry notmyname | 18:56 |
| henrynash | heckj: thx | 18:56 |
| dwchadwick | Just located markmc@redhat.com is this the Mark of oslo | 18:57 |
| heckj | that's him | 18:57 |
| gyee | henrynash, I am think to have authtoken middleware set the X-Domain-* headers if the domain is not the default domain | 18:57 |
| notmyname | at the last swift meeting, chmouel said he would be able to look in to the swift+keystone v3 and migration issues. | 18:57 |
| henrynash | notmyname: great….either gyee or I can provide guidance | 18:58 |
| gyee | and have Swift authorized on project@domain:username@domain if X-Domain-* is present | 18:58 |
| henrynash | gyee: not sure if we set X-Domain if it is a project token…. | 18:58 |
| gyee | otherwise, do it the old fashion way | 18:58 |
| gyee | we should | 18:58 |
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| heckj | time to wrap this up | 19:00 |
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| heckj | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| henrynash | gyee: agree we could do it both ways: we just need to give clear guidance that if there is a project defined in the token then it is NOt domain scoped | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 19:00:11 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-02-12-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| heckj | thanks all | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-02-12-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-02-12-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
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| fungi | can haz infra meeting? | 19:02 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | hey pleia2! clarkb? jeblair? zaro? | 19:02 |
| clarkb | ohai | 19:02 |
| clarkb | zuul distracted me | 19:03 |
| fungi | he does that | 19:03 |
| * clarkb votes fungi runs the meeting today since he is paying attention to things | 19:03 | |
| * zaro thinks good idea | 19:04 | |
| fungi | ahh, okay | 19:04 |
| fungi | just about proved you wrong there ;) | 19:04 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 19:04:34 2013 UTC. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:04 |
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| fungi | Wiki: Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting (last edited 2013-01-29 05:30:39 by JamesBlair) | 19:05 |
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| fungi | i feel like i've seen this episode before | 19:05 |
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| * fungi pulls up the action items list | 19:05 | |
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| fungi | clarkb start discussion on long term log archival options when jeblair gets back | 19:06 |
| fungi | i guess that can happen now | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | yes, sort of started it yesterday but not in much detail | 19:06 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:06 |
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| fungi | it's a jeblair! | 19:06 |
| clarkb | should we have that discussion here and now? | 19:06 |
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| fungi | up to you guys. the itenerary is short and mostly checkboxish | 19:07 |
| clarkb | may as well then | 19:07 |
| clarkb | our test log growth is not linear | 19:07 |
| fungi | to say the least | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | so i was wondering how much logstash could be a complete replacement for statically storing logs | 19:08 |
| clarkb | http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=309&rra_id=all you can see the curve at the bottom of that page | 19:08 |
| jeblair | and clarkb said it may not be a good one | 19:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: can you elaborate on why? | 19:08 |
| clarkb | jeblair: logstash's purpose is to index and give quick access to your logs | 19:08 |
| clarkb | this makes it a bad way to archive your logs | 19:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: but doesn't it have a complete copy of them and present them to you through a web ui? | 19:09 |
| fungi | so it's only useful for recent/small log quantities i guess? | 19:09 |
| clarkb | yes, however if were to keep 100GB of logs in logstash I get the feeling we would need a much larger elasticsearch cluster to handle the increased workload | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | I don't think we want to sacrifice index speed and usability for archival functionality | 19:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ok, so you're suggesting we maintain a smaller logstash system for searching the last x days of logs | 19:10 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:10 |
| clarkb | yeah | 19:10 |
| fungi | oh, guess i forgot to /topic | 19:10 |
| fungi | #topic log archival | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: and keep 6 mos of logs in a static setup? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | clarkb: (it's easy to delete >x days of logs from logstash?) | 19:11 |
| clarkb | the way logstash is configured to index by default suggests that this is the normal operating behavior (each day gets its own index and you want to keep the number of indexes down) | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yes and yes. To make deleting logs from logstash easy you set it to use a timebased index of some sort | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: then you have a cron or similar look for old indexes and delete them | 19:12 |
| jeblair | gotcha | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: so for the zuul reports in gerrit, we'd probably need to link to the static archiving solution | 19:12 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:12 |
| jeblair | clarkb: since the logstash one will disappear | 19:12 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think so. But probably with a note that you can search recent job runs in logstash and link to logstash | 19:13 |
| jeblair | but maybe we can link to logstash from the static reports | 19:13 |
| fungi | and so we'll still need some separate interface to anonymously browse older archived logs. does cloudfiles have that built in? | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | yeah, we're relying on the apache mod_index for that now | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | i don't think there's such a thing for cloud files | 19:14 |
| mordred | maybe notmyname has something ... | 19:14 |
| jeblair | notmyname, mordred? | 19:14 |
| notmyname | just saw my name | 19:14 |
| mordred | notmyname: last 8 lines of scrollback - discussing putting build logs in swift - wondering about indexes | 19:14 |
| jeblair | notmyname: http://logs.openstack.org/21691/1/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-full/2081/ | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | if you use the pseudo directory naming structure I suggested yesterday (to clarkb?), then you have listing support | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | combined with staticweb (which cloud files supports), you can even get "pretty" web pages | 19:15 |
| jeblair | notmyname: oh, so if you GET a .../job-id/ url, you get an index page? | 19:16 |
| notmyname | jeblair: ya, it can be configured to do so | 19:16 |
| jeblair | notmyname: cool, that sounds like exactly what we need then | 19:16 |
| jeblair | thx! | 19:16 |
| fungi | perfect | 19:16 |
| ttx | yay cloud | 19:17 |
| jeblair | so we should be able to use jclouds to put these things in cloud files... | 19:17 |
| fungi | have we exhausted that topic for the moment? action items coming from it? | 19:17 |
| clarkb | the second thing we need to sort out is having jenkins use swift the logs. in theory we can rely on jclouds for that. in practice clarkb had a bad experience last week | 19:17 |
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| fungi | ahh, right | 19:17 |
| jeblair | then clarkb can watch the zeromq stream to fetch those things and shove them in logstash | 19:17 |
| fungi | you said there was a patch forthcoming from jclouds | 19:17 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: oh :(, what's the skinny on that? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | the current release of the jclouds plugin is broken for blob storing. this has been fixed in master. | 19:18 |
| clarkb | second that fixed commit dumps your cloud key/password to the console log when it gets a 401 from the cloud provider | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | there is a potential fix for that at the tip of master but i have yet to find time to test it | 19:18 |
| jeblair | my experience suggests that errors from cloud providers are frequent. | 19:18 |
| fungi | oh, right. lots of notfun in that | 19:18 |
| clarkb | so we will just need to be careful and defensive about how we test the jclouds blobstore | 19:19 |
| clarkb | abayer in #jclouds has been super helpful though | 19:19 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, we don't need to rush this. :) | 19:20 |
| fungi | we now have more space at least | 19:20 |
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| fungi | okay, so next action items, or was there more on that one? | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i'm good | 19:22 |
| clarkb | I think that is it | 19:22 |
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| fungi | #topic wiki stuffs | 19:22 |
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| mordred | moin sucks | 19:22 |
| * annegentle waves | 19:22 | |
| * annegentle agrees with mordred | 19:22 | |
| fungi | next action items were the date change to saturday and annegentle sending an updated announcement? | 19:22 |
| annegentle | fungi: I wasn't sure if the date really changed so I didn't send anything :) | 19:23 |
| jeblair | to answer annegentle's question in email, no, i'm not critical. :) | 19:23 |
| mordred | jeblair is so critical | 19:23 |
| fungi | so then it's sticking with sunday after all? | 19:24 |
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| pleia2 | ryan confirmed saturday was ok | 19:24 |
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| jeblair | (i'm so sorry!) | 19:25 |
| clarkb | yeah we are saturdaying | 19:25 |
| clarkb | annegentle: oh, you didn't get the email from ryan? I completely missed that this didn't go out | 19:26 |
| clarkb | my bad | 19:26 |
| fungi | so if it's saturday, then we need a last-minute update announcement i guess | 19:26 |
| annegentle | clarkb: ohh ok | 19:26 |
| annegentle | yeah that's how I missed it | 19:26 |
| annegentle | sure, I'll send now | 19:26 |
| fungi | annegentle: thanks! | 19:26 |
| fungi | so who all is planning to be around for the cut-over on saturday then? | 19:27 |
| * jeblair plans to be around | 19:27 | |
| mordred | yeah. me too | 19:27 |
| olaph | should be | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | not me (I'll be out of town for the holiday weekend) | 19:27 |
| * ttx will probably be jetlagged but ~present | 19:27 | |
| clarkb | o/ | 19:28 |
| fungi | #action jeblair, clarkb, olaph, Ryan_Lane, mordred, annegentle, ttx, fungi work on wiki upgrade 2013-02-16 | 19:28 |
| fungi | any other wiki-related notes while we're on the topic? we're missing a Ryan_Lane in here i guess | 19:28 |
| * mordred just saw Ryan_Lane an hour ago - he was leaving on his way to work ... | 19:29 | |
| fungi | we can catch up with him later in the week if there are last-minute issues i suppose | 19:29 |
| * zaro is out of town. | 19:29 | |
| fungi | #topic python-swiftclient upload | 19:30 |
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| fungi | mordred to upload python-swiftclient 1.3.0 | 19:30 |
| fungi | that happened, right? | 19:30 |
| mordred | yup | 19:30 |
| fungi | okay. that's it for old business | 19:30 |
| mordred | I used the jenkins jobs too - so they have been tested | 19:30 |
| fungi | new business... | 19:30 |
| fungi | # cla | 19:30 |
| fungi | er | 19:31 |
| fungi | #topic cla | 19:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cla (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:31 | |
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| mordred | funny - we're just now talking about CLAs at the board meeting | 19:31 |
| fungi | no real news on the cla stuff. basically ready, pending last minute reviews (i'll hit people up in the next week for reviewing after a rebase) | 19:31 |
| jeblair | at LCA we chatted with notmyname about it, and realized he was unaware of the change... | 19:31 |
| fungi | still on track for 2013-02-24 cut-over | 19:31 |
| jeblair | mordred: are we getting rid of CLA? ;) | 19:32 |
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| mordred | jeblair: nope | 19:32 |
| clarkb | jeblair: fungi should we send another announcement to the mailing list? | 19:32 |
| jeblair | so we discussed that we sholud do some extra communication... | 19:32 |
| jeblair | probably in a different form | 19:32 |
| fungi | yes, agreed | 19:32 |
| mordred | yeah. more specific | 19:32 |
| mordred | less explanatory | 19:32 |
| mordred | "you will need to resign the CLA on X" | 19:32 |
| jeblair | ttx: can you make sure the PTLs are all aware of this at the project meeting? | 19:32 |
| ttx | jeblair: sure | 19:32 |
| fungi | #action fungi draft and send more explicit/cautionary announcement about cla cut-over | 19:32 |
| fungi | #action ttx discuss cla at next project meeting | 19:33 |
| jeblair | we can ask lauren/stef to use blog/community newsletter/etc to disseminate it as well | 19:33 |
| ttx | fungi: any chnace you cna send that before the meeting, so that I can reference your post ? | 19:33 |
| ttx | cna* | 19:33 |
| ttx | can* | 19:33 |
| fungi | #action fungi hit up infra core team for reviews | 19:33 |
| fungi | ttx: sure | 19:33 |
| fungi | remind me when the project meeting happens? | 19:33 |
| fungi | i can look it up if necessary | 19:33 |
| fungi | i can join in when that topic comes up too | 19:34 |
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| jeblair | fungi: then maybe pass that announcement to lauren and stef for them to process | 19:34 |
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| fungi | jeblair: awesome. sounds like a great idea | 19:34 |
| jeblair | finally, there's one other option we should consider: we _could_ email everyone in gerrit. | 19:34 |
| fungi | spamtastic | 19:35 |
| fungi | i'm a little edgy about that | 19:35 |
| jeblair | i _think_ the other things we've discussed should be enough... | 19:35 |
| mordred | they'll notice whenthey go to upload something | 19:35 |
| jeblair | so i'd propose that we do those, and only if we still think no one knows about it a week before the cutover, should we spam. | 19:35 |
| jeblair | (regardless, we should send at least one more announcement closer to the cutover) | 19:36 |
| jeblair | (ml, i mean, not spam) | 19:36 |
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| fungi | wiki tells me the project/release meeting is Tuesdays at 2100 UTC so i'll see about getting that announcement to the -dev ml in the next hour after this meeting | 19:36 |
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| fungi | if that's what ttx was suggesting | 19:36 |
| ttx | yep | 19:37 |
| jeblair | mordred: indeed, i think that's a reasonably mitigating factor. the error has its own instructions for rectification. | 19:37 |
| ttx | otherwise I'll just point to the date | 19:37 |
| fungi | yes. the error messages are quite explicit | 19:37 |
| fungi | urls and all | 19:37 |
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| fungi | okay, anything else on cla stuff? | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | nope | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #topic jenkins slave operating systems | 19:38 |
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| fungi | i think we covered a couple items under this topic umbrella previously... jclouds and quantal | 19:38 |
| fungi | quantal is working for static slaves but i'm having trouble with jclouds'ing it. asked on #jclouds but nothing too helpful yet | 19:39 |
| fungi | short story is i can launch slaves from jclouds with the ubuntu version specified as 11.10 or 12.04, but if i change that to 12.10 i get an immediate java exception about not matching any images | 19:40 |
| fungi | so i think it's an image metadata issue in rackspace at this point | 19:40 |
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| mordred | YAY! | 19:40 |
| fungi | also jclouds-related, clarkb: you had some issues with slaves not deleting right? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | maybe | 19:41 |
| fungi | fungi@ci-puppetmaster:~$ nova list|grep -c jclouds | 19:41 |
| fungi | 16 | 19:41 |
| clarkb | so yeah | 19:41 |
| fungi | i don't see anywhere near that many in jenkins (like maybe only 1) | 19:41 |
| ttx | fungi: 1h20min from now | 19:41 |
| fungi | ttx: yep. thanks! i checked the wiki pretty much immediately anyway | 19:42 |
| * ttx is answering asynchronously | 19:42 | |
| jeblair | probably the same thing we work around in devstack-gate... | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | nova returns a 200 for the delete api call and then does not delete the server | 19:42 |
| fungi | that's pretty neat | 19:43 |
| jeblair | some how this is apparently not a bug | 19:43 |
| fungi | s/bug/money making opportunity for providers/ | 19:43 |
| jeblair | except in our case. :/ | 19:43 |
| fungi | indeed | 19:43 |
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| fungi | anyway, if there's nothing much else on that, we should probably jump into devstack/tempest/gating changes et cetera | 19:44 |
| fungi | #topic devstack, tempest and gating changes | 19:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "devstack, tempest and gating changes (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:45 | |
| ttx | notabug: "Empowering the ecosystem" | 19:45 |
| fungi | ttx: heh | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | enriching the ecosystem | 19:45 |
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| fungi | okay, so there's been some more improvements to test scope, runtimes and also proposed efficiency improvements for the gating pipeline? | 19:45 |
| fungi | anyone want to discuss high points on that? | 19:46 |
| jeblair | fungi: is 'efficiency improvements' https://review.openstack.org/#/c/20948/ ? | 19:46 |
| fungi | jeblair: that looks like one of them | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | fungi: another? | 19:47 |
| fungi | clarkb: also has a wip one i think | 19:47 |
| fungi | and we just put something through to make expensive tests dependent on cheap ones | 19:47 |
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| fungi | though only for the check pipeline, not gate | 19:48 |
| jeblair | fungi, clarkb, link? | 19:48 |
| jeblair | to clarkb's change | 19:48 |
| * fungi is looking | 19:48 | |
| jeblair | i saw mordred's pep8 change | 19:48 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/21723 | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | mordred: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21267/ | 19:49 |
| jeblair | mordred: what problem does that solve? | 19:49 |
| clarkb | jeblair: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zuul/+bug/1123329 | 19:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1123329 in zuul "Zuul should remove unmergable changes from queue as soon as possible." [Undecided,New] | 19:50 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i like the sound of that | 19:51 |
| clarkb | jeblair: with the increased gate time per change unmergable changes end up serializing zuul more than is necessary | 19:51 |
| fungi | i believe the idea behind 21267 was to avoid burning slave time on tempest tests (which are upwards of an hour or two at this point) if the tests which take <5 minutes don't pass anyway | 19:51 |
| jeblair | fungi: yeah, but we're not running low on devstack/tempest slaves, yeah? and with jclouds, it seems like we shouldn't be running low on regular slaves either, in general... | 19:52 |
| jeblair | fungi: so what that change does is optimize for the case where pep8 fails | 19:53 |
| jeblair | it means that if your change fails pep8, the devs are notified very early | 19:53 |
| clarkb | a lot of changes fail pep8 | 19:53 |
| jeblair | but if your change passes pep8, it now takes runtime(tempest)+runtime(pep8) to be notified | 19:53 |
| fungi | or pyflakes in some cases, but yes. more generally it was to avoid long-running tests if the patch isn't syntactically correct python (style checks are just a bonus there) | 19:54 |
| jeblair | yeah, i'm just wondering why that's desirable -- it is because we want to notify people that changes fail pep8 fast (at the cost of making successful changes take _longer_ to notify) | 19:54 |
| jeblair | or is it to solve a slave resource contention problem | 19:54 |
| fungi | and we're still running short on static slaves for the moment, until jclouds is in better shape | 19:55 |
| mordred | the devs who were chatting with us (sdague was an active one) didn't seem to mind the extra 5ish minutes compared to getting the reject quicker | 19:55 |
| clarkb | I see it as reducing unnecessary load on the slaves and to encourage devs to run tox -epep8 before pushing | 19:55 |
| clarkb | jenkins is becoming everyones personal test box | 19:55 |
| mordred | alternately ... it might be interesting to add a feature to zuul to cancel and dequeu remaining jobs if one of them fails | 19:56 |
| jeblair | yeah, though looking at the zuul queue, the static slave tests are running ahead of the devstack tests, which is the main thing | 19:56 |
| mordred | which could get us to a place where we get the canary benefit without the serialization concern from jeblair | 19:56 |
| jeblair | mordred: yeah, that's kind of where i was heading | 19:57 |
| fungi | we wind up starving the gate pipeline of available static slaves under heavy activity periods right now, and at least a significant percentage are spinning on failed unit tests for the check pipeline | 19:57 |
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| fungi | so yes, anything to help that situation would be an improvement | 19:57 |
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| jeblair | mordred: we wanted to return as much info to devs as quickly as possible | 19:58 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:58 |
| jeblair | mordred: i think that's still desirable | 19:58 |
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| mordred | I agree | 19:58 |
| jeblair | mordred: but clarkb has a good point that people are just throwing shit at jenkins and seeing what sticks | 19:58 |
| jeblair | admittedly, he didn't quite put it like that. but i will. :) | 19:58 |
| clarkb | :) | 19:59 |
| fungi | and we're about out of time | 19:59 |
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| mordred | right. which is why I think early fail in check queue is helpful | 19:59 |
| jeblair | so anyway, yeah, let's think about short-circuiting the whole test run if some tests fail | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | real quick, I made a wiki page: http://wiki.openstack.org/InfraTeam | 19:59 |
| jeblair | but still start them all in parallel | 19:59 |
| ttx | jeblair: +1 | 20:00 |
| ttx | at leas tfor gate | 20:00 |
| fungi | #topic general | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general (Meeting topic: infra)" | 20:00 | |
| fungi | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/InfraTeam | 20:00 |
| mordred | jeblair: agree | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thank you pleia2! | 20:00 |
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| fungi | okay, i'll go ahead and shut this down so ttx can have the channel for tc | 20:01 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| heckj | .oO | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 20:01:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-02-12-19.04.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-02-12-19.04.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-02-12-19.04.log.html | 20:01 |
| ttx | I realize now that these two meetings are actually ruining lunch time | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Who is around for the TC meeting ? | 20:01 |
| notmyname | here | 20:01 |
| mordred | ttx: o/ | 20:01 |
| nijaba | o/ | 20:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:01 |
| sdake_z | sdake here | 20:01 |
| jeblair | ttx: yes, it takes special planning. | 20:01 |
| eglynn | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | markmc, heckj, annegentle, russellb, bcwaldon, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, danwent: around ? | 20:01 |
| heckj | o/ | 20:02 |
| russellb | hi | 20:02 |
| markmc | yes | 20:02 |
| vishy | o/ | 20:02 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 20:02 |
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| bcwaldon | hello! | 20:02 |
| mordred | yes | 20:02 |
| ttx | so we are still missing... annegentle, danwent, gabrielhurley | 20:02 |
| annegentle | \o | 20:03 |
| danwent | here | 20:03 |
| jd__ | o! | 20:03 |
| ttx | ok, let's get started, Gabriel should join us soon | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 20:03:34 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| ttx | Agenda for today: | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Governance/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Special motion on Incubation process evolution | 20:04 |
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| ttx | As discussed last week, we followed a bit of formality to make sure we were in line with the joint committee | 20:04 |
| ttx | So we worked on with a set of changes to the incubation process and charter wording based on the work on the joint committee | 20:04 |
| ttx | The joint committee approved that set and recommends that the TC now approves it | 20:04 |
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| ttx | It's the same text that was posted to openstack-tc and openstack-dev and didn't trigger any comment on any list afaict | 20:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | sorry I'm late | 20:05 |
| ttx | np | 20:05 |
| ttx | just warming up | 20:05 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-February/005421.html | 20:05 |
| markmc | and it closely matches what the TC agreed back in november | 20:05 |
| ttx | One important thing to note is that this motion doesn't prevent future changes as the joint committee makes further progress in defining "core" and the process around it | 20:05 |
| markmc | i.e. the mandate for the TC reps on in the committee | 20:05 |
| ttx | It just updates our process and texts to the current thinking so that we know how to proceed in the immediate future for projects currently in incubation | 20:05 |
| ttx | This is a special motion since it requires wording changes to our Charter to introduce the concept of "Integrated" project | 20:05 |
| ttx | So we need 9+ "Yes" for this to be approved | 20:06 |
| ttx | Comments before we vote ? | 20:06 |
| notmyname | yes | 20:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | is that a vote or a comment? ;-) | 20:06 |
| notmyname | comment on item 6 in the email | 20:06 |
| ttx | removal of the "TC recommends core" sentence | 20:07 |
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| notmyname | this removes the TC from involvement in what is considered "openstack", at least to the external world. currently the BoD takes input from the TC on this. this clause seems to remove that | 20:07 |
| ttx | notmyname: So this point was raised because that would be the only place where "core" is mentioned in our charter | 20:08 |
| ttx | once we replace other mentions by "integrated" | 20:08 |
| markmc | we know the TC's involvement isn't going to be "the project is graduating, we recommend it for core" | 20:08 |
| markmc | there will likely be some other involvement | 20:08 |
| ttx | It doesn't make any assumption on how the core process will evolve | 20:08 |
| markmc | maybe the BoD asking for our opinion on specific technical matters | 20:08 |
| markmc | but we can add that to the charter later when we know what it should be | 20:08 |
| ttx | yeah, we just don't know how much we'll be involved | 20:09 |
| mordred | or - the BoD might come back with a core process that specifically empowers the tc in additional ways | 20:09 |
| ttx | I'm fine with leaving that in... it's just inaccurate because we have no idea | 20:09 |
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| ttx | so I figured we should remove it to reflect the fac tthat we don't have any process defined for "core" yet | 20:09 |
| ttx | rather thah leaving it in and imply we still have one | 20:09 |
| annegentle | ttx: I wonder if you could just remove the word "Core" but still show the TC involvement in status changes | 20:10 |
| ttx | What's the others opinions on that ? | 20:10 |
| jaypipes | ttx: I'm fine with the removal of that sentence. | 20:10 |
| jaypipes | ttx: per my change of heart wrt the whole pointlessness of the "core" label. | 20:10 |
| markmc | I'd prefer it to be removed, but it's the least important part of the motion | 20:11 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'm fine with removing it as well for the same reasons noted by jaypipes | 20:11 |
| ttx | annegentle: you mean "recommends projects for status changes" ? That would also be a bit presomptuous, but why not | 20:11 |
| annegentle | ttx: aim high | 20:11 |
| vishy | I'm fine with it being removed. | 20:11 |
| gabrielhurley | ditto | 20:11 |
| russellb | fine with me too | 20:12 |
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| mordred | ++ | 20:12 |
| annegentle | remove "Core" or the entire sentence? | 20:12 |
| bcwaldon | +2 | 20:12 |
| ttx | I think it makes more sense to remove it and update that again when we know what the joint committee and the BoD want to do with "core" | 20:12 |
| ttx | so I prefer to leave point 6 in, personally | 20:12 |
| ttx | annegentle: the entire setence | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | ttx: ++ | 20:13 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:13 |
| annegentle | ttx: I'm amenable to removing the whole sentence and update later | 20:13 |
| ttx | OK, let's have a try at this, then | 20:13 |
| ttx | any other comment before we vote ? | 20:13 |
| jaypipes | pugs are awesome. | 20:14 |
| ttx | #startvote Approve special motion on incubation process evolution? yes, no, abstain | 20:14 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Approve special motion on incubation process evolution? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain. | 20:14 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:14 |
| jaypipes | yes | 20:14 |
| markmc | #vote yes | 20:14 |
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| ttx | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| russellb | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| gabrielhurley | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| jaypipes | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| heckj | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| jgriffith | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| annegentle | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| vishy | #vote yes | 20:14 |
| mordred | #vote yes | 20:14 |
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| notmyname | #vote yes | 20:15 |
| danwent | #vote yes | 20:15 |
| bcwaldon | #vote yes | 20:15 |
| ttx | 30 more seconds | 20:15 |
| ttx | #endvote | 20:16 |
| openstack | Voted on "Approve special motion on incubation process evolution?" Results are | 20:16 |
| openstack | yes (13): markmc, bcwaldon, ttx, notmyname, vishy, annegentle, heckj, jaypipes, russellb, jgriffith, mordred, gabrielhurley, danwent | 20:16 |
| markmc | wow | 20:16 |
| heckj | heh | 20:16 |
| ttx | awesome, so now the next agenda item doesn't look s oweird | 20:16 |
| jgriffith | ha | 20:16 |
| nijaba | hehe | 20:16 |
| ttx | #topic End-of-cycle graduation review | 20:16 |
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| ttx | we can start with the end-of-cycle graduation review now. This needs to be completed before the end of the month. | 20:17 |
| ttx | It was proposed that we could start with "Why we think we're ready" statements from Ceilometer and Heat | 20:17 |
| ttx | Then a report on release cycle alignment progress | 20:17 |
| sdake_z | http://wiki.openstack.org/Heat/Graduation | 20:18 |
| ttx | Then assessments of technical stability and architecture maturity (probably next week) | 20:18 |
| ttx | And finally a check of scope to ensure the complementarity we judged at incubation time is still present | 20:18 |
| ttx | Anything more you'd like to see considered/discussed in that review process ? | 20:18 |
| ttx | Note that the process might get influenced by future progress on the joint committee. Like if the BoD defines the outer limits of openstack and what we should be focusing resources on | 20:19 |
| ttx | Is that process looking good for everyone ? | 20:20 |
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| markmc | yes | 20:20 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 | 20:20 |
| heckj | good by me | 20:20 |
| jgriffith | yup | 20:20 |
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| russellb | question on outer limits of openstack ... that putting bounds on what we can include in coordinated release? | 20:20 |
| danwent | yes | 20:20 |
| markmc | russellb, I don't think the BoD can do that | 20:21 |
| markmc | russellb, it can recommend, but .. | 20:21 |
| russellb | i didn't think so either | 20:21 |
| ttx | russellb: That could happen, I think. They could say that "openstack" is not doing GMail clones | 20:21 |
| russellb | just trying to interpret ttx's comment | 20:21 |
| ttx | so a project that proposes that could be refused on that ground, maybe | 20:21 |
| mordred | ttx: how about let's not spend a lot of time thinking about what might could be decided in the future | 20:22 |
| jgriffith | mordred: +1 | 20:22 |
| russellb | k, i'm not actually worried, so we can move on | 20:22 |
| ttx | yeah, that's a bit of astroturfing | 20:22 |
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| ttx | handling the present is hard enough | 20:22 |
| ttx | #topic "Why we think we're ready", Ceilometer | 20:22 |
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| ttx | nijaba: floor is yours | 20:22 |
| nijaba | for ceilometer it is at: http://wiki.openstack.org/Ceilometer/Graduation | 20:22 |
| ttx | could you summarize for those who can't read ? | 20:23 |
| nijaba | do you want me to copy paste? | 20:23 |
| nijaba | yes, we think we are ready | 20:23 |
| sandywalsh_ | ugh, sorry | 20:23 |
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| nijaba | Robust multi purpose architecture recently extended to support multiple publishing channels, thus allowing ceilometer to become a metrics source for other tools apart from metering | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Successfully passed the challlenge of being adopted by 3 related projects which have agreed to join or use ceilometer: | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Synaps | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Healthnmon | 20:24 |
| nijaba | StackTach | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Delivered Folsom within 2 weeks of release, prior to incubation | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Successfully delivered the G2 milestone aligned with the overall project release cycle | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Good integration with all core projects now, including Swift | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Built up a diverse and sustainable core developer community, affiliated to multiple organizations | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Followed openstack community best practices from the outset | 20:24 |
| nijaba | Deployed at many sites | 20:24 |
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| notmyname | nijaba: is the goal of ceilometer to provide monitoring info or usage info (eg for billing)? | 20:25 |
| nijaba | notmyname: used to be focused on metering, now expanded to metrics in general | 20:26 |
| nijaba | that was a conclusion of the last summit | 20:26 |
| nijaba | based on request from other project to not have to duplicate our efforts | 20:26 |
| mordred | kk | 20:27 |
| bcwaldon | nijaba: instantaneous metrics, or eventual? | 20:27 |
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| notmyname | nijaba: I ask because my understanding (could be incorrect) is that you seem to be doing metering, but promising usage. those have very different requirements | 20:27 |
| nijaba | bcwaldon: eventual, each subscriber can set a frequency independentl of others | 20:27 |
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| gabrielhurley | You've got the statement "There are still some aspects of the architecture that are still emerging (such as database schemas for metadata/rich data and aggregation)" in that wiki page... could you talk a little about your schema and what you're facing since that's a significant challenge you've described? | 20:29 |
| eglynn | "eventual" could equal a 60s measurement cadence for example | 20:29 |
| sandywalsh_ | bcwaldon: and instantaneous is possible with UDP notifiers that dragondm is working on (for statsd-like integration) | 20:29 |
| gabrielhurley | sandywalsh_: nice. I was gonna ask about that too. | 20:30 |
| nijaba | gabrielhurley: the question that is being discussed is regarding how we do indexing and what to index. the content will not chnage | 20:30 |
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| ttx | sandywalsh: are you happy with ceilometer architecture now ? i.e. you won't make them rewrite everything over the H cycle ? | 20:30 |
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| ttx | I see StackTach is mentioned above | 20:31 |
| sandywalsh_ | ttx: I think we've identified the main areas of contention (metadata on metrics and how roll-ups will be done) ... we still need to pin down a solution, but CM is pretty flexible currently | 20:31 |
| sandywalsh_ | I can't imagine a radical fork-lift change | 20:31 |
| ttx | sandywalsh: thx, good t oknow | 20:31 |
| dragondm | BTW, bp for the udp notifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/lightweight-notifications-driver I will be fleshing out the spec momentarily. | 20:32 |
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| ttx | OK, any more question on that "why we think we are ready" statement ? | 20:33 |
| russellb | are there any "competing" projects at this point? or is everyone happily working together? | 20:33 |
| nijaba | I think we are all joined in a happy family ;) | 20:33 |
| * jaypipes would like to see better packaging and coordination with QA/Tempest | 20:33 | |
| russellb | nijaba: excellent | 20:33 |
| mordred | I'd like to point out how happy I am at all of the cross-project collaboration via ceilometer | 20:33 |
| notmyname | I'd like to hear more about the goals re monitoring vs billing | 20:34 |
| ttx | jaypipes: we can cover that in the technical assessment later | 20:34 |
| heckj | has there been any additions into tempest to do full integration testing at this point (or is that expected post graduation)? | 20:34 |
| nijaba | jaypipes: point taken. we'll discuss the details offline? | 20:34 |
| eglynn | jaypipes: distro-level packaging do you mean? | 20:34 |
| jaypipes | eglynn: ya | 20:34 |
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| jaypipes | nijaba: yup, no worries. | 20:34 |
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| nijaba | jaypipes: distro packaging should be our concern? | 20:34 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: working with the packagers... | 20:34 |
| nijaba | I thought otherwise. We just need to enable it | 20:34 |
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| nijaba | jaypipes: that we do quite a bit already | 20:35 |
| mordred | I do not think that distro packaging is our concern | 20:35 |
| vishy | notmyname: I don't thing "monitoring" has ever been a stated concern of ceilometer | 20:35 |
| ttx | heckj: it's a bit of chicken-and-egg problem, like horizon integration | 20:35 |
| eglynn | jaypipes: I'm working on Fedora packaging, zul has done work for deb/ubuntu | 20:35 |
| notmyname | vishy: except that's what it's doing, from what I can tell | 20:35 |
| jaypipes | eglynn: things like the mongodb dep, etc, and lack of folsom packaging are a concern. | 20:35 |
| nijaba | and zigo is working on the debian pkg | 20:35 |
| sandywalsh_ | notmyname: and monitoring is a big bucket (is it just "watch" or "watch and react") ... I think the synaps guys are working on that front. | 20:35 |
| heckj | is there a solid API that can be used to provide horizon (or other dashboard) support to the data store? | 20:36 |
| ttx | vishy: I think they want to cover collecting monitoring data at this point | 20:36 |
| eglynn | vishy: a goal though is avoid monitoring tools having to duplicate measurements already taken by ceilo | 20:36 |
| nijaba | there are pkg for folsom on debian and ubuntu | 20:36 |
| nijaba | heckj: yes, and their is an horizon plugin beeing developped by brooklyn shen | 20:36 |
| heckj | nijaba: thanks | 20:36 |
| nijaba | vishy: we don't want to do monitoring bu we want to allow collecting data for a monitoring tool as one of our publisher | 20:37 |
| jaypipes | nijaba: don't mind me.... just being nit-picky, really... | 20:38 |
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| Daviey | jaypipes: It does seem all distro's are keen on it :) | 20:38 |
| al-maisan | sandywalsh_: IMHO monitoring is typically watch, define thresholds and raise alarms, the react part is somewhere else.. | 20:38 |
| nijaba | vishy: thus avoiding duplication of collection, and avoiding to have to support everything through our metering db api | 20:39 |
| jgriffith | nijaba: So is it accurate to say the intent is "data collection" and leave it at that? | 20:39 |
| sandywalsh_ | al-maisan: that's a reasonable perspective :) | 20:39 |
| jgriffith | nijaba: The monitoring/billing etc debate is what's had me a bit confused | 20:39 |
| jaypipes | al-maisan: ++ | 20:39 |
| nijaba | jgriffith: yes, with a possible extension to alerting | 20:39 |
| jgriffith | nijaba: k, thanks | 20:39 |
| sandywalsh_ | jgriffith: RAX needs CM for SEC-compliant billing, it's our primary driver. | 20:40 |
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| ttx | OK, can we switch to Heat statement now, or are there more questions ? or questions unanswered ? | 20:40 |
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| eglynn | main focus of the ceilo core IMO is on data (measurement) acquisition ... many potential down-pipeline uses of that data of course | 20:41 |
| nijaba | eglynn: right | 20:41 |
| ttx | We can discuss scope and complementarity when we reach that point in the review | 20:41 |
| heckj | ttx: I'm good | 20:41 |
| ttx | though it's good for the ceilometer crew to know that's one of the hot zones | 20:41 |
| sandywalsh_ | eglynn: +1 | 20:41 |
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| ttx | OK, let's examine Heat statement now... | 20:42 |
| ttx | #topic "Why we think we're ready", Heat | 20:42 |
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| sdake_z | hi guys | 20:42 |
| sdake_z | http://wiki.openstack.org/Heat/Graduation | 20:42 |
| sdake_z | for those that dont like to click links :) | 20:42 |
| sdake_z | We have followed the full OpenStack process for the entire G cycle | 20:42 |
| sdake_z | Heat has been in development for about 11 months. Our developers have learned to follow the openstack workflow while implementing a pure OpenStack style implementation of orchestration during the G cycle. | 20:42 |
| sdake_z | There are many people evaluating Heat for field deployments | 20:42 |
| sdake_z | Several enterprises are waiting for a stable G release of Heat to begin deploying. Some of those folks such as HP are contributing blueprints and code to improve Heat's functionality. | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | We have a growing user community | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | The Heat IRC channel is growing rapidly and adding new developers. The mailing list traffic related to heat is increasing as well. | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | Deployments want heat functionality | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | Lots of folks want an easy way to wrap all of the great OpenStack APIs into one template format. We provide value for these deployments and speed up deployment and development times | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | Developers are interested in Heat | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | We have many blueprints scheduled for H submitted by community developers. | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | We work with other core and non-core projects | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | We currently work with all core projects including Nova, Cinder, Glance, Quantum, Keystone, Swift, and Horizon. We were an early adopter of Oslo, before it entered Nova or other projects. We also have interest in working well with Ceilometer and have contributed ideas and patches to implement some of our dependent functionality. Finally we are always looking for new projects to integrate with. An example of a new integration point | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | is Moniker which had a blueprint for G cycle but was deferred to H because of maturity problems with Moniker client libraries. | 20:43 |
| sdake_z | ok thats it ;) | 20:43 |
| ttx | questions ? | 20:44 |
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| ttx | sdake: roughly, how much of the API features are actually exposed in the templates ? 20% ? 50% ? 80% | 20:46 |
| ttx | 99% ? | 20:46 |
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| mordred | I didn't say it for ceilometere - but it does apply to both projects ... | 20:46 |
| sdake_z | well if you mean resources, I'd say we are at 90% - missing some quantum integration | 20:46 |
| gabrielhurley | that summary makes things sound pretty rosy. what's still missing? what's challenging? I know y'all aren't done. | 20:46 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley is the atheist non-believer | 20:47 |
| mordred | heat and ceilometer both have been very responsive and self-sufficeient in CI/infra concerns | 20:47 |
| gabrielhurley | ha | 20:47 |
| heckj | heh | 20:47 |
| nijaba | mordred: and the reverse has been true to... and we did stress you a bit lately | 20:47 |
| sdake_z | gabrielhurley we currently implement cloudwatch, which is going I believe into ceilometer so that is a chunk of work that needs sorting out | 20:47 |
| sdake_z | gabrielhurley the other point is our quantum integration which stevebaker is working on for g | 20:47 |
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| sdake_z | gabrielhurley some folks want a non cloudformation CDL (the template language) which we plan to take up in G if there is interest | 20:48 |
| sdake_z | thats all I can think of at the moment | 20:48 |
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| gabrielhurley | looks like there are a large number of untriaged blueprints... | 20:48 |
| sdake_z | heat usable today though with nearly all the infrastructure | 20:48 |
| sdake_z | those aren't untriaged, they are g cycle | 20:49 |
| jaypipes | sdake_z: plan to take up a non-CF CDL in G or H? | 20:49 |
| sdake_z | sorry they are h cycle | 20:49 |
| sdake_z | non-cf cdl for H | 20:49 |
| jaypipes | ok | 20:49 |
| sdake_z | sorry not g guys, h :) | 20:49 |
| jaypipes | np | 20:49 |
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| gabrielhurley | figured that's what you meant | 20:49 |
| sdake_z | cdl, untriaged blueprints -> h | 20:49 |
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| sdake_z | this is the normal model for projects, accept blueprints at beginning of cycle,then accept new set at beginning of next cycle | 20:50 |
| gabrielhurley | so from your perspective Heat is basically solid where it is, and the future is just about adding additional functionalities people would like to see (e.g. all those blueprints)? | 20:50 |
| sdake_z | yes, and sorting out cloudwatch | 20:51 |
| gabrielhurley | got it | 20:51 |
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| sdake_z | cloudwatch not a major problem tho, it will end up somewhere just a matter of where | 20:51 |
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| sdake_z | community has decided ceil is place for that and I agree - just matter of timing now | 20:51 |
| gabrielhurley | and graduation ;-) | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdake: so having both considered at the same time is actually a good thing | 20:52 |
| sdake_z | agree ;) | 20:52 |
| jaypipes | and documentation :) | 20:52 |
| russellb | and there seems to be very good collaboration between ceilometer and heat, so that helps | 20:52 |
| annegentle | jaypipes: +1 | 20:52 |
| gabrielhurley | jaypipes: docs? I've heard of those... | 20:52 |
| nijaba | russellb: +1 | 20:52 |
| jaypipes | lol | 20:52 |
| * annegentle sobs | 20:52 | |
| ttx | OK ,if we don't have further question, I'll do the release management repotr today as well | 20:52 |
| * gabrielhurley feels bad for making annegentle cry | 20:52 | |
| * annegentle recovers quickly | 20:52 | |
| * jaypipes hands annegentle a tissue | 20:52 | |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: she never actually cries | 20:52 |
| gabrielhurley | lol | 20:52 |
| sdake_z | we will improve docs - could use a bit of coaching there tho | 20:53 |
| annegentle | it seems like the API docs all point to AWS pages | 20:53 |
| nijaba | sdake_z: force doc contrib along with any new feature/change | 20:53 |
| annegentle | both projects will have to be on their toes with the wiki migration coming this weekend since quite a few docs are in there | 20:53 |
| sdake_z | makes sense nijaba | 20:53 |
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| ttx | anything else before we do the release alignment report ? | 20:54 |
| sdake_z | one last point which I should mention is we feel the security model of heat is rock solid as well | 20:54 |
| sdake_z | something we have really spent alot of time on | 20:54 |
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| annegentle | and use DocImpact in commit messages | 20:54 |
| annegentle | ttx: sure go ahead | 20:54 |
| gabrielhurley | sdake_z speaking of... how do you get around issues of trust/delegation? | 20:54 |
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| sdake_z | you mean where keystone requires admin to do something and the user only has some other privs like "demo"? | 20:55 |
| heckj | yeah | 20:55 |
| sdake_z | ya we haven't fixed that yet, that is a blueprint for h - what we would like is a "sudo" for keystone but that may be untenable | 20:55 |
| sdake_z | definately a solveable problem though | 20:55 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 20:56 |
| ttx | #topic Report on release cycle alignment progress | 20:56 |
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| ttx | Both projects were aligned to the common release process by grizzly-2. | 20:56 |
| ttx | Ceilometer had last-minute issues that made it 4 days late, critical bugs that should probably have been spotted earlier... I don't think that would happen again | 20:56 |
| ttx | grizzly-3 should be a good test, one week from now | 20:56 |
| ttx | All in all, they are better integrated than Cinder or Keystone were at this point in their incubation cycle | 20:56 |
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| ttx | but we have higher expectations now, that's how you make progress :) | 20:57 |
| * jgriffith feels the sting | 20:57 | |
| bcwaldon | ttx: I'm not sure that's a fair argument ;) | 20:57 |
| ttx | I don't foresee any issue on the release management side. | 20:57 |
| ttx | Both PTLs and teams were reactive and accessible | 20:57 |
| ttx | read: not in california | 20:57 |
| bcwaldon | read: ttx is being a jerk | 20:58 |
| danwent | haha | 20:58 |
| rainya | hehehehehe | 20:58 |
| ttx | questions on that front ? | 20:58 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: hehe | 20:58 |
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| mordred | nope. I'm happy with both projects in that regard | 20:58 |
| markmc | me too, both are doing a great job | 20:59 |
| ttx | mordred: is infra happy with both as well ? | 20:59 |
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| heckj | bcwaldon: nothing unusual, really | 20:59 |
| mordred | ttx: yup | 20:59 |
| * ttx cries now, to see if Jay will give him a tissue | 21:00 | |
| ttx | OK time is off | 21:00 |
| ttx | We'll continue with technical review next week | 21:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone ! | 21:00 |
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| sdake_z | thanks guys | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 21:00:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-02-12-20.03.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-02-12-20.03.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-02-12-20.03.log.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | jaypipes, annegentle: thanks! | 21:01 |
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| ttx | markmc, heckj, notmyname, bcwaldon, jgriffith, vishy, gabrielhurley, danwent: still around ? | 21:01 |
| markmc | yep | 21:01 |
| danwent | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | here | 21:01 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 21:01 |
| jgriffith | yep | 21:01 |
| bcwaldon | \o/ | 21:01 |
| rainya | you guys are silly | 21:02 |
| mordred | o/ | 21:02 |
| bcwaldon | quiet down, rainya! | 21:02 |
| heckj | o/ | 21:02 |
| rainya | make me, waldon! ;P | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 21:02:32 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | Agenda @ http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic General announcements | 21:03 |
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| ttx | One week left for feature merging before grizzly-3... Remember we cut the branch at the end of the day next Tuesday. | 21:03 |
| ttx | Review often and merge early... the gate *will* be slow, so the more you get in early, the better | 21:03 |
| vishy | o/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | there will be stuff left over because the gate is busy and false negatives i ntests plaguing it | 21:04 |
| ttx | #info The session submission site for the Havana Design Summit in Portland is open | 21:04 |
| ttx | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 21:04 |
| ttx | I'll announce it in email... soon | 21:04 |
| ttx | But if you already have ideas for topics that would make nice sessions at the Design Summit, feel free to suggest them | 21:04 |
| ttx | #info We'll all need to sign the CLA again after Feb 24 | 21:05 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-February/005662.html | 21:05 |
| ttx | So it's simplifying stuff a lot for new contributors, but existing ones need to go through one more hoop | 21:05 |
| ttx | questions about that ? | 21:05 |
| mordred | ^^^ that last thing is important for everyone to note | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | mordred: Error: "^^" is not a valid command. | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | ttx: does that affect voting at all? | 21:06 |
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| ttx | the CLA stuff ? | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | yes. and whatever associated changes are involved | 21:07 |
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| fungi | it will not affect voting at all | 21:07 |
| ttx | notmyname: hmm... you will have to be a foundation member to sign the CLA | 21:07 |
| ttx | so you might see an increase in those members | 21:07 |
| fungi | it may increase the number of eligible voters over time | 21:07 |
| fungi | what ttx said | 21:08 |
| mordred | ttx: do ongoing testing refactors count for feature freeze? | 21:08 |
| ttx | and since only people that are fondation memebrs and contributors could vote in PTL elections... | 21:08 |
| * gabrielhurley despises the hoops it takes to contribute to openstack | 21:08 | |
| * fungi does too | 21:08 | |
| heckj | gabrielhurley: +1 | 21:08 |
| ttx | that may result in affecting the vote somehow | 21:08 |
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| mordred | gabrielhurley: then you will like the new changes | 21:08 |
| fungi | we made the hoops easier to jump through, and added chrome polish | 21:08 |
| ttx | mordred: adding more tests (or fixing them) is not a feature. | 21:09 |
| mordred | and lube | 21:09 |
| ttx | notmyname: does that make sense ? | 21:09 |
| mordred | ttx: just checking - I'm behind on that blueprint | 21:09 |
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| heckj | ttx: when will we need to go jumping through these new flaiming hopes? Doesn't look like we can quite yet | 21:09 |
| notmyname | ttx: ya. I wouldn't expect anything to change. but since it's close to the election time and in some part is dependent on foundation membership, I wanted to make sure | 21:09 |
| ttx | notmyname: previously, you could have contributors that were not foundation members. That won't be possible anymore | 21:09 |
| ttx | notmyname: oh, I see what you mean | 21:09 |
| fungi | heckj: february 24th or when you have time thereafter, but before you push any new commits to gerrit | 21:10 |
| ttx | that's a question for mordred actually, how he will compile the voters list exactly | 21:10 |
| heckj | at least it's after grizzly-3 close | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ttx: ah. so it may be possible that some previous contributors will need to do something they haven't done before | 21:10 |
| ttx | notmyname: but if anything, I expect it will increase the number of voters rahter than reduce it | 21:10 |
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| fungi | heckj: we scheduled it that way intentionally | 21:10 |
| ttx | since it wil catch contributors that failed to be foundation members | 21:10 |
| mordred | ATC is decided from people who have contributed - current eligibility to contribute does not factor | 21:10 |
| ttx | ok, we need to move on | 21:11 |
| ttx | more discussion on the thread linked above | 21:11 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:11 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:11 |
| ttx | markmc: o/ | 21:11 |
| markmc | yo | 21:11 |
| ttx | All Essential/High stuff is completed | 21:11 |
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| markmc | grizzly-3 came fast | 21:12 |
| markmc | keyring won't make it | 21:12 |
| markmc | oslo-config cli probably not either | 21:12 |
| ttx | should you be removing those from the roadmap now ? | 21:12 |
| markmc | yeah, will do | 21:12 |
| markmc | the two rpc ones could miss too, I need to catch up on them | 21:12 |
| ttx | I gather that none of the remaining stuff is worth a feature freeze exception, right ? | 21:12 |
| markmc | right | 21:13 |
| markmc | other thing is I pushed a 2013.1b tag for oslo-config | 21:13 |
| markmc | tarball didn't get pushed, but we're fixing that | 21:13 |
| markmc | I've got patches ready to push to make all projects use it | 21:13 |
| markmc | basically s/from $project.openstack.common import cfg/from oslo.config import cfg/ | 21:14 |
| ttx | markmc: tarballs not getting pushed happens. Would like it to happen less. | 21:14 |
| markmc | so they're fairly invasive | 21:14 |
| markmc | hoping to get them merged before grizzly-3 | 21:14 |
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| markmc | so we're all using oslo-config | 21:14 |
| ttx | markmc: that would be preferable | 21:14 |
| mordred | ttx: this was missing jobs - not broken jobs at least | 21:14 |
| markmc | ttx, it was my fault | 21:14 |
| ttx | markmc: cool, I like that. | 21:14 |
| markmc | ok, that's me | 21:15 |
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| ttx | markmc: if that oslo-config import doesn't make grizzly-3... are you fine with the code copy living there for grizzly release ? | 21:15 |
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| markmc | ttx, yeah, that's fine | 21:15 |
| markmc | ttx, I can remove it from oslo-incubator | 21:15 |
| markmc | ttx, without affecting the projects | 21:15 |
| ttx | ok, thx | 21:15 |
| ttx | Anything else on the oslo topic ? | 21:15 |
| markmc | not from me | 21:16 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:16 |
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| ttx | heckj: o/ | 21:16 |
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| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:16 |
| heckj | ola | 21:16 |
| ttx | Limited progress since last week... | 21:16 |
| ttx | Should we be removing stuff from scope to allow focusing efforts ? Or does it not make any sense here due to the interrelation ? | 21:17 |
| heckj | lots of it held up in reviews, but code's coming in | 21:17 |
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| heckj | ttx: it's trimmed down pretty tight, all pretty interrelated right now | 21:17 |
| heckj | All teh status could legit read "Needs Code Review" for the current status | 21:18 |
| ttx | ok | 21:18 |
| heckj | we have some code that's still being written, but down to the last pieces | 21:18 |
| ttx | How is "trusts" going on ? | 21:18 |
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| heckj | we brought it up in the keystone meeting earlier today, but I'll reiterate - please actively review code - try and look and review at least once a day this week to help | 21:19 |
| heckj | ttx: under active review, looking pretty good. | 21:19 |
| ttx | heckj: I can spend some time looking into that later today | 21:19 |
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| ttx | benefit of having me in that timezone | 21:19 |
| ttx | Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:19 |
| heckj | just a need for a lot of reviews, that's it | 21:20 |
| ttx | heckj: should I update all those statuses to "Needs code review" ? | 21:20 |
| heckj | ttx: sure, thanks | 21:20 |
| ttx | including replace-tenant-user-membership, ok | 21:20 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:21 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:21 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:21 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/swift/+milestone/1.8.0 | 21:21 |
| ttx | Still shooting for roughly first half of March ? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | yes, but there is no date set | 21:21 |
| notmyname | there are a couple of outstanding reviews that are important for 1.8 IMO, and a few that need to be written/submitted | 21:22 |
| ttx | ok | 21:22 |
| ttx | I don't have anything else | 21:22 |
| ttx | Anything more on Swift ? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | I have one other thing | 21:22 |
| ttx | go for it | 21:22 |
| notmyname | an FYI, since it's been discussed in many places recently | 21:22 |
| notmyname | one thing we talked about in the swift meeting last week was encryption in swift | 21:23 |
| ttx | a not in b or not a in b ? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:23 |
| notmyname | although this isn't really a new position, we all agreed that encryption doesn't belong in the scope of swift | 21:24 |
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| ttx | sounds good to me | 21:24 |
| ttx | the bucket needs to stop somewhere | 21:24 |
| notmyname | again, nothing new. just a little more formal | 21:24 |
| ttx | noslzzp: anything else ? | 21:24 |
| ttx | notmyname: anything else ? | 21:25 |
| notmyname | nope :-) | 21:25 |
| ttx | (bucket. heh) | 21:25 |
| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:25 |
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| noslzzp | lol - nope. :) | 21:25 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: o/ | 21:25 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/glance/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:25 |
| bcwaldon | hello! | 21:25 |
| ttx | Mostly concerned with the (essential) glance-api-v2-image-sharing | 21:25 |
| bcwaldon | this is my week to catch up on reviews and land several bug fixes and features | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | one of them being image sharing | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | so I'm not actually concerned about it | 21:26 |
| ttx | Since the reviews there are a bit stalled, and it will take time to get them processed through the gate queue | 21:26 |
| ttx | the sooner the better, for essential stuff | 21:26 |
| ttx | Are the rest of them still likely to make it ? | 21:26 |
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| bcwaldon | yep, the first half of the reviews for that BP are already approved :) | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | yes | 21:26 |
| ttx | Should we remove (not started) api-v2-property-protection from the mix ? | 21:27 |
| bcwaldon | markwash: ? | 21:27 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: there's your answer | 21:27 |
| bcwaldon | not sure | 21:27 |
| bcwaldon | will confirm what to do offline | 21:28 |
| ttx | Also I'd remove importing-rootwarp / iscsi-backend-store and move that to Havana, sounds like somethig that would benefit frmo further discussion | 21:28 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: I've thought about that quite a bit, actually | 21:28 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: what's your take ? | 21:28 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: I'm not against landing it in grizzly at all - I think there is an alternative approach we will end up taking as a community (cinder backend vs iscsi backend), but this is still a valid use case | 21:29 |
| bcwaldon | the rootwrap piece has been proved in nova already, so I'm not worried about that | 21:29 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: it impacts packaging a bit, but if it lands by g3 it's probably ok | 21:29 |
| bcwaldon | yes, I would not give it a FFE | 21:29 |
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| ttx | it's just that adding it for that release if the plan is to remove it next release, meh | 21:29 |
| ttx | but that's your call, as long as you respect the deadlines :) | 21:30 |
| ttx | Anything more on Glance ? | 21:30 |
| bcwaldon | what deadlines!? | 21:30 |
| jgriffith | ha! | 21:30 |
| bcwaldon | nothing more on Glance other than an apology for not keeping up with reviews ;) | 21:30 |
| rainya | there are deadlines!? | 21:30 |
| bcwaldon | rainya: quiet! | 21:30 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: that is all | 21:31 |
| ttx | #topic Quantum status | 21:31 |
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| rainya | bcwaldon: yes, sir! | 21:31 |
| danwent | hi | 21:31 |
| ttx | danwent: hi! | 21:31 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:31 |
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| ttx | Loking busy but good | 21:31 |
| danwent | yes, overall, more green | 21:31 |
| ttx | How is review prioritization going ? Do you think reviewers give priority to high-prio stuff ? | 21:31 |
| danwent | everything must be in review by today, or its automatically out | 21:31 |
| ttx | i.e. we don't need to remove anything ? | 21:31 |
| danwent | good. really there are only two high priority features, though one of them (lbaas) is split into three BPs | 21:32 |
| ttx | OK, looking at the remaining ones in that category: | 21:32 |
| danwent | yong's multi l3/dhcp stuff is in good shape | 21:32 |
| ttx | ok | 21:32 |
| ttx | How close is quantum-scheduler ? | 21:32 |
| danwent | he is on holiday, but i'm not very worried about that going in. | 21:32 |
| danwent | that is yong's BP… sorry, we shoudl have renamed it. | 21:32 |
| ttx | oh, ok | 21:32 |
| danwent | the good news on lbaas is that we got intiial code posted early enoug | 21:33 |
| ttx | danwent: when are you going to remove those without code proposed ? EOD ? | 21:33 |
| danwent | that when the feeback was that we need to drastically simplify the code, we still have some time to do it. | 21:33 |
| danwent | yes, EOD today | 21:33 |
| danwent | only really two | 21:33 |
| ttx | sounds good | 21:33 |
| danwent | include one plugin that was dropped way last minute | 21:33 |
| danwent | dropped -> proposed | 21:33 |
| ttx | I use the word "thrown" | 21:34 |
| danwent | just a heads up, with the lbaas reworking, i wouldn't be shocked to be talking FFE next week | 21:34 |
| danwent | but we've paired down what we're targeting | 21:34 |
| ttx | prepare the beer bribes | 21:34 |
| danwent | so I think its managable. | 21:34 |
| ttx | ok | 21:34 |
| ttx | Anything else on Quantum ? | 21:34 |
| danwent | i think the mirantis folks would rather pay in vodka :P | 21:34 |
| danwent | nope | 21:34 |
| ttx | I'll have to check the beer/vodka change rate | 21:34 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:35 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hi! | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | hola | 21:35 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | I'm pretty confident in most of these | 21:35 |
| ttx | How is volume-backups doing ? | 21:35 |
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| jgriffith | The drivers from coraid and Huawei etc are debateable | 21:35 |
| ttx | yeah | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | Good, going through review with the batch of changes from last round | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | I think it's looking good so far though | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | And the change eharney has for Gluster and LIO I'm not worried about at all | 21:36 |
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| ttx | The week will be very short | 21:36 |
| ttx | Is there anything in the rest of the list that we should remove right now ? | 21:36 |
| reed | jgriffith, did you have time to look at the encryption patch? | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | reed: Yeah, there's some concerns there | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | reed: snapshots, clones etc? | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I think I've cleaned out as fair as I can right now | 21:37 |
| ttx | jgriffith: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/quotas-limits-by-voltype in particular is "not started". Still want to keep it in scope ? | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I'm giving some of the drivers til Friday to make some progress | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I tricked ya | 21:37 |
| ttx | hhm, ok | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: I already pulled that one out :) | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | ttx: just a couple minutes ago | 21:38 |
| reed | jgriffith, cool, thanks | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | reed: we should sync up after meeting | 21:38 |
| iccha | win 19 | 21:38 |
| ttx | jgriffith: still looks not statred to me | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | Oh crud, I didn't save the change | 21:38 |
| jgriffith | I'll do that | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | It will disappear | 21:39 |
| ttx | heh | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | sorry bout that | 21:39 |
| ttx | ok | 21:39 |
| ttx | Is xenapinfs-glance-integration complete ? | 21:39 |
| jgriffith | review IIRC | 21:39 |
| ttx | I saw two review linked both merged | 21:40 |
| ttx | anyway, you can check it out, we need to move on | 21:40 |
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| jgriffith | yeah, it merged | 21:40 |
| ttx | Anything more on Cinder ? | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | Yeah | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | NetApp's share service: | 21:40 |
| jgriffith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21290/ | 21:40 |
| * ttx marks xenapinfs-glance-integration implemented | 21:40 | |
| jgriffith | didn't get much feed-back from the ML on the whole topic | 21:41 |
| ttx | maybe raise it again | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, just wanted to point it out to folks here | 21:41 |
| ttx | or hunt down key people on IRC for feedback | 21:41 |
| ttx | ok | 21:41 |
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| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:41 |
| jgriffith | thats' it for me I htink | 21:41 |
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| jgriffith | thanks | 21:41 |
| ttx | jgriffith: thx! | 21:41 |
| ttx | vishy: o/ | 21:42 |
| vishy | hi | 21:42 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:42 |
| ttx | vishy: About backportable-db-migrations: how about we push that between g3 and rc1 ? I don't see that as really disruptive anyway, and that's the right moment to push it (after all features merged) ? | 21:42 |
| vishy | yup | 21:42 |
| ttx | OK, then I'll move it to rc1 when I'll have that created | 21:42 |
| ttx | Looking at the remaining High stuff: | 21:42 |
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| ttx | How is nova-quantum-security-group-proxy going ? | 21:43 |
| vishy | code is up | 21:43 |
| vishy | under review | 21:43 |
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| ttx | vishy: should make it ? | 21:43 |
| vishy | i think so | 21:43 |
| ttx | Same question for instance-actions | 21:43 |
| vishy | same answer :) | 21:43 |
| ttx | show-availability-zone and rebuild-for-ha still shouldn't be considered completed ? | 21:43 |
| vishy | show-availability-zone is complete | 21:44 |
| ttx | ok, updating | 21:44 |
| vishy | rebuild is complete too | 21:44 |
| ttx | ok, updating | 21:45 |
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| ttx | Should you be removing all stuff that doesn't have any code proposed yet ? | 21:45 |
| ttx | like quantum does ? | 21:45 |
| vishy | ttx: yeah | 21:45 |
| ttx | no point is spending time on reviews that won't make it anyway | 21:46 |
| vishy | ttx: although i don't know if there are any of those | 21:46 |
| ttx | Planning on reviewing that at the next Nova meeting ? | 21:46 |
| ttx | quite a few of those are marked 'started' with no code attached AFAICT | 21:46 |
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| ttx | Also 3 blueprints are targeted to g3 but not in series goal: migrate-volume-block-migration configuration-strategies encrypt-cinder-volumes | 21:46 |
| vishy | sure | 21:47 |
| ttx | you might want to remove them as well | 21:47 |
| ttx | Any question on Nova ? | 21:47 |
| russellb | vishy: i can take that on (going through and removing stuff without code) if you'd like | 21:47 |
| ttx | I feel like we are in good shape, it's just that there isn't so much time left | 21:47 |
| ttx | so prioritization might be in order | 21:47 |
| vishy | russellb: cool thanks | 21:47 |
| ttx | if only to have the gate process the right stuff | 21:48 |
| russellb | vishy: np, will get through it tonight/tomorrow AM | 21:48 |
| ttx | when it will be on the critical path (and it will) | 21:48 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-aoe has code in review but is marked implemnted, I should probably reverse that | 21:49 |
| ttx | hhm | 21:49 |
| ttx | no, just merged | 21:49 |
| vishy | ttx: it merged | 21:49 |
| vishy | yeah | 21:49 |
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| ttx | ok, that's all I got. Anything more about Nova ? | 21:50 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:50 |
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| gabrielhurley | hi | 21:50 |
| ttx | gabrielhurley: hey | 21:50 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:50 |
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| gabrielhurley | a couple of those BPs will likely merge today | 21:51 |
| ttx | I see you updated your statuses recently | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | several more are one patch away from being mergeable | 21:51 |
| ttx | How is the upload stuff going ? | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | well... mixed bag | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | direct image uploading has a review which is gonna be functional for grizzly | 21:51 |
| gabrielhurley | but the overall file upload UI stuff has about a day to get something up before I call that dead in Grizzly | 21:52 |
| ttx | You mentioned you potentially consider an exception to get that merged... but it only makes sense if it's just a few days away | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | soooo... it looks like that one may be a function over style decision for Grizzly | 21:52 |
| gabrielhurley | revisit in conjunction with the glance team and rework the UI in Havana | 21:53 |
| ttx | ok | 21:53 |
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| ttx | almost everything else has code proposed now, iiuc | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | the Quantum Security Groups BP needs code as well, but amotoki is very on top of things and I trust him to get it done if he says it'll happen. | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | otherwise everything else has code up, yep | 21:53 |
| ttx | Looks good | 21:53 |
| ttx | Anything more on Horizon ? | 21:53 |
| gabrielhurley | started winnowing the bugs list too | 21:54 |
| ttx | This is going to be review week | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | just trying to get ready for the RC | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | yeah | 21:54 |
| gabrielhurley | nothing more beyond that | 21:54 |
| ttx | ok | 21:54 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated projects | 21:54 |
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| ttx | Anyone from Heat/Ceilometer around ? | 21:54 |
| sdake_z | heat here | 21:54 |
| ttx | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:55 |
| sdake_z | so good progress in last week | 21:55 |
| sdake_z | although getting tight on time with lots of bugs to fix | 21:55 |
| ttx | Looks like you should remove stuff that won't make it by the deadline | 21:55 |
| ttx | I suspect some of the 'not started' stuff will miss | 21:55 |
| sdake_z | our meeting is wednesday where we will pull stuff that isn't going to make it | 21:55 |
| sdake_z | ttx agree | 21:55 |
| ttx | ok | 21:55 |
| ttx | although you're not in the common gate so you might not suffer that much | 21:56 |
| sdake_z | sounds like more schedule time to me ;) | 21:56 |
| ttx | next week we'll basically review what's left and drop stuff that is not merged yet | 21:56 |
| sdake_z | sounds good | 21:57 |
| ttx | that's when people realize it's too late and statr crying :) | 21:57 |
| rainya | *sob* | 21:57 |
| sdake_z | quesito ntho, that does not include bugs right? | 21:57 |
| sdake_z | only blueprints? | 21:57 |
| ttx | yep | 21:57 |
| sdake_z | we still have few moreweeks for bugs? | 21:57 |
| ttx | After g3... you build a RC bug list | 21:57 |
| sdake_z | got it | 21:57 |
| ttx | when you complete that we build a RC1 | 21:57 |
| ttx | and then shit happens, a new RC bug is discovered | 21:58 |
| ttx | so you build a new list and do RC2, etc. | 21:58 |
| ttx | Explaines at http://wiki.openstack.org/ReleaseCycle | 21:58 |
| ttx | anyone from ceilometer ? | 21:58 |
| ttx | for logging purpose, same remark as for heat | 21:59 |
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| ttx | Looks like it's time to reduce the list to match what will be in by next week | 21:59 |
| ttx | anything else anyone ? | 22:00 |
| rainya | ttx, i've read that wiki on release cycle several times times and it helped a lot having you type it out just now :) | 22:00 |
| ttx | rainya: I'm usually always confusing. Wiki AND Irc. | 22:00 |
| rainya | between the two, perfectly sensible! | 22:00 |
| ttx | God thing today I'm clearer on Irc. | 22:00 |
| ttx | ok, next meeting awaits | 22:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 22:01:04 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-02-12-21.02.html | 22:01 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone! | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-02-12-21.02.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-02-12-21.02.log.html | 22:01 |
| rainya | wooohooo ttx! | 22:01 |
| rainya | made in time again! | 22:01 |
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| gabrielhurley | #startmeeting horizon | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 22:03:00 2013 UTC. The chair is gabrielhurley. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic Status and Overview | 22:03 |
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| gabrielhurley | Coming into the final week of real activity | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | lots of reviews up | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | lots of blueprints with reviews up particularly | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | I've commented on almost all of 'em | 22:03 |
| gabrielhurley | got my own BP review up | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | (I wrote code, yay!) | 22:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | In general everything's looking good and going the right direction | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | just need everyone to be really active and diligent for this week | 22:04 |
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| gabrielhurley | I will do reviews every day | 22:04 |
| gabrielhurley | I don't see anything that's got a review up there that can't make it though. | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic Blueprints | 22:05 |
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| gabrielhurley | davidlenwell seems to have escaped me | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | was ginna grill him on the file upload UI blueprint | 22:05 |
| gabrielhurley | *gonna | 22:05 |
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| cody-somerville | I'll ping him. | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | cody-somerville got up a review for the Glance image upload which may have to suffice for Grizzly. It gets the job done, but I was hoping to have things be cool/fancy. Thanks to Cody for getting that far though, | 22:06 |
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| gabrielhurley | In Havana we can work with the Glance team to think about direct upload mechanisms with pretty progress indicators and such | 22:06 |
| gabrielhurley | amotoki doesn't seem to be around currently either, but I'll follow up with him on the Quantum Security Groups blueprint. | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm not worried there, though. | 22:07 |
| gabrielhurley | cody-somerville: if you could tell davidlenwell that my inclination is to drop that blueprint from Grizzly unless there's a review in the next two days I'd appreciate it. | 22:08 |
| cody-somerville | Will do. | 22:08 |
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| gabrielhurley | anybody else got blueprints they want to discuss? | 22:08 |
| kspear | gabrielhurley: other than pleading for a review? :) | 22:08 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm gonna go through 'em all again today | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | #topic Bugs | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:09 | |
| gabrielhurley | I narrowed down the bug list to close out G3. | 22:09 |
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| gabrielhurley | There's also one new one for enabling the XFrameOptionsMiddleware byu default | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | it's a termendously simple change but it's a good security practice | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | *tremendously | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | I wanna make sure that's merged for Grizzly | 22:10 |
| gabrielhurley | #topic General Discussion | 22:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:10 | |
| gabrielhurley | I've got one topic for general discussion today | 22:11 |
| mrunge | I have met one bug | 22:11 |
| gabrielhurley | go ahead | 22:11 |
| mrunge | how do we handle backwards compatibilty? | 22:11 |
| davidlenwell | gabrielhurley: have you looked at / played with Thermal? the heat plugin someone wrote? or did you already talk about that and I missed it. | 22:11 |
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| mrunge | I had one bug, where grizzly horizon don't works with folsom keystone | 22:12 |
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| gabrielhurley | mrunge: in general Grizzly Horizon should work with Folsom. If that's not the case why should figure out what introduced the incompatibility and either address it in code or address it via a setting as a last resort. | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | is there a bug filed for it? | 22:12 |
| mrunge | gabrielhurley, https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1121975 | 22:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1121975 in horizon "original_ip keystone parameter not compatible with folsom keystone" [Undecided,New] | 22:12 |
| gabrielhurley | ah | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | great | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | let's fix that | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | should be easy to fix in code | 22:13 |
| mrunge | that change in keystone was introduced in mid october | 22:13 |
| mrunge | yeah | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | yep | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | triaged into the list with High priority | 22:13 |
| dolphm | keystoneclient then? not keystone folsom | 22:13 |
| gabrielhurley | cool | 22:13 |
| mrunge | dolphm, exactly | 22:14 |
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| gabrielhurley | davidlenwell: I haven't looked at Thermal in quite some time, why do you ask? | 22:14 |
| davidlenwell | gabrielhurley: I was reviewing it last week because a few members of our team are putting a lot of effort into using heat | 22:15 |
| davidlenwell | wondered if you had seen the interface and if you had any opinions about it. | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | I'm not gonna offer an opinoin 'cuz my opinion would be out of date | 22:16 |
| gabrielhurley | *opinion | 22:16 |
| mordred | gabrielhurley: I've heard that, pending heat's acceptance, just merging the work into horizon might be an option? | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | if Heat graduates then we'll get all the details sorted | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | and yes, it'll absolutely be the starting point | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | if/when | 22:17 |
| gabrielhurley | not trying to sound negative | 22:17 |
| davidlenwell | I think it will need a lot of work before its ready to merge into horizon.. some of the ui is very out of place | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | I think that's likely | 22:18 |
| davidlenwell | for one its got its own tab in the left nav .. with project and admin .. | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | but the UI is easier to sort out than the API stuff, so the work they've done to get it functional will be valuable | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | it won't be a wholesale merge by any means | 22:18 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 22:18 |
| gabrielhurley | I've been taking a "cross that bridge when we get there" approach | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | same with ceilometer | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | they've been developing things in the wings | 22:19 |
| gabrielhurley | The one topic I'd like to discuss real quick: In the spirit of continuing to expand horizon core, I'd like to propose amotoki (who's not present) for Horizon Core. He's done a ton of work over the last two release cycles and has really stepped up his reviewing in the last few months. Anyone object before I send something to the ML? | 22:20 |
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| gabrielhurley | great | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | Also, a quick reminder for the current core folks: if something already has a +2 and you feel it's ready as well, feel free to +2 *and* approve the review. You have to do both. I've seen a few reviews that had a +2 from me and either a +1 or a +2 but no "approve" from other core folks. | 22:22 |
| gabrielhurley | anyo other questions or topics? | 22:22 |
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| jpich | when should code be up at the latest for bug fixes? | 22:23 |
| gabrielhurley | bug fixes can go straight to the release being cut, but make sure you file bugs in launchpad so they can be tracked by release management | 22:24 |
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| jpich | Ok! cheers | 22:24 |
| gabrielhurley | great. thanks everyone, and do all you can on reviews! have a great week! | 22:24 |
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| gabrielhurley | #endmeeting | 22:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 22:25:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-02-12-22.03.html | 22:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-02-12-22.03.txt | 22:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-02-12-22.03.log.html | 22:25 |
| mrunge | bye | 22:25 |
| jpich | Reviews, reviews. Thanks everyone | 22:25 |
| vkmc | Cheers! | 22:26 |
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