Tuesday, 2014-01-14

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sarobso late feb should be bug fixing00:00
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sarobempty repo00:00
MrJoshuaYeah thanks, I'll try to get an apiary blueprint started, since I have some experance there.  It can connect right into the github repo.00:00
sarobokay i have to wind down00:00
saroblets continue on mailing list00:00
keyvancool thanks guys, look forward to helping out00:00
MrJoshuaCool.  I have to go too.00:01
sarobroger and out people00:01
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hartsocksI'm around BTW13:51
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sc68calGood morning/ Good evening everyone14:00
sc68caland afternoon too14:00
sc68cal#startmeeting neutron_ipv614:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan 14 14:00:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc68cal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ipv6'14:00
xuhanphello. Good morning Sean14:00
sc68cal#topic recap last meeting actions14:01
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sc68cal#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ipv6/2014/neutron_ipv6.2014-01-07-15.00.html last week's actions14:01
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sc68calOK - I had two actions that needed to be done, first was to schedule the meeting time for a non-conflicting time - and that's been done ;)14:02
sc68calThe second action was to register a blueprint for Horizon support for the IPv6 subnet modes14:02
sc68cal#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/neutron-subnet-mode-support Horizon blueprint for ipv6 subnet configuration14:03
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sc68calIt's a bit light on details, but we can always add more info14:03
xuhanpWonderful. Thanks for the quick actions!14:03
sc68callet me see if I can fetch the people that are responsible for the other items14:04
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sc68calOK - well we can circle back later if need be14:05
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sc68cal#topic blueprints14:05
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sc68calWe're still hammering out the subnet mode keyword review14:06
sc68calWe had one core reviewer suggest it become an API extension, but I punted to the mailing list to solicit more feedback on what we should do14:07
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sc68calshshang: hello14:07
aveigarecheck your email, we had another punt on it14:07
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sc68cal#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024179.html API extension vs core api14:08
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sc68calThat's pretty much all I have - if we want to circle back to the keyword action from last meeting14:09
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sc68calaveiga: shshang: you guys along with ijw were going to figure out how to get the dnsmasq-isms out?14:09
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sc68calI saw an e-mail from ijw on the mailing list, but I don't know if there's anything more14:10
aveigashshang: any progress on the writeup?14:10
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shshangaveiga, still have one question needing your help14:11
shshangNeed to grab your brain14:11
shshangregarding your last comment about seperating the RA and address assignment14:11
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shshangI have been thinking about how to differentiate the use case you mentioned (i.e. external router sends RA, dnsmasq as DHCPv6), and the case that dnsmasq will send RA and act as DHCPv614:13
aveigaI think ijw and I have gone over this a few times at this point, but the commands to enable addressing and the commands for routing need to be separated14:14
aveigaand this is why they won't fit in the API in the enable_dhcp attribute14:14
shshangin other words, we need a separate keyword to capture the address assignment part, since the one we discussed is on RA announcment side.14:15
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aveigaI think we need to reword them too14:15
aveigawe make statements in the RA configuration that refer to addressing14:15
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aveigawe should completely separate them14:16
shshangeither way, as long as we can carry the information precisely and concisely14:16
shshangThe fastest way is to separate them by adding a switch to indicate whether dnsmasq will act as dhcpv6 server.14:17
aveiganope, going right back down the hole we were digging out of14:17
aveigadon't link yourself to dnsmasq14:17
aveigaand this isn't a switch14:17
aveigait's a pair of keywords that combine to make functionality14:18
aveigaI think we should just plain have two keywords14:18
shshangthat is what I mean14:18
shshangtwo keywords14:18
shshangkeep our current one for RA only14:18
shshangand another keyword to signal whether we need OpenStack to provide dhcpv6 function or not14:18
aveigawell, it's not boolean14:19
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aveigait's off, stateless or stateful14:19
aveigabut yes14:19
shshangrename our current keyword set to something accurate, --enable-ipv6-ra14:19
aveigaand reword the descriptions14:19
aveigaI can help with that14:19
shshangadd another keywords like something --enable-ipv6-dhcpv614:20
shshangif you can help, that will be awesome14:20
sc68calThe only question I have is, the current attribute for subnets, enable_dhcp14:20
sc68calthat's a boolean isn't it.14:20
shshanglike TRUE or FALSE. :D14:20
aveigaso we need to have a powwow with Mark and Salvatore :-D14:21
sc68calwhat about changing it to take options instead of just T/F ?14:21
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shshanglike REMOTE or LOCAL?14:21
aveigaI think we should take this to the ML and ask for a chat with the cores for Neutron about this14:21
baoli__ --disable-dhcp        Disable DHCP for this subnet14:21
aveigabaoli__: that's the problem, we need 3 modes14:21
aveiganot boolean14:22
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sc68calRight - that sets the enable_dhcp attribute on a subnet to False14:22
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sc68calvia the neutron cli14:22
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ijwJust to get it into the meeting minutes: bugger.14:22
aveigaijw: rough afternoon, eh?14:22
baoli__If you create a ipv6 subnet, would that parameter work ?14:23
ijwI was in openstack-meeting-alt, cos I had a meeting there just before, and Sean's evil and moved channels14:23
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aveigabaoli__: the issue is that we need off, stateful and stateless as modes14:23
sc68calI don't debate that I'm evil, although I swear I did this channel because alt is in use14:23
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baoli__I see14:23
ijwIt's supposed to be, but no, completely dead14:23
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ijwSorry, I see I've come in in the middle of the attribute wars - what's the debate this time?14:24
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aveigain any case, I think we need to hammer this out with the Neutron cores, there's no way we can get away with reusing enable_dhcp14:24
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sc68calok - who wants to grab that nettle?14:24
baoli__does it have to be specified per subnet?14:25
aveigabaoli__: yes14:25
sc68calbaoli__: yes14:25
aveigasorry, didn't mean to gang up on you14:25
sc68calwe have consensus :)14:25
aveigabut at least we have consensus14:25
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baoli__that's fine.14:25
shshangsc68cal, grabbing that nettle is an action item?14:25
aveigaI think it needs to be a few of us14:26
sc68calshshang: yes14:26
shshangI can raise my hand(s)14:26
aveigaI'll take an AI to write up the proposal14:26
ijwaveiga: we had two cores onside anyway14:26
ijw(Mark, Salvatore)14:26
aveigaijw: I'm referring to them telling us to reuse enable_dhcp14:26
sc68cal#action shshang send e-mail to mailing list regarding new attribute14:26
aveigathat's not going to work14:26
ijwDidn't I do that yesterday?14:27
ijw... are those my feet?14:27
aveigathey fired back about it14:27
ijwThey agreed strenuously, I think that's fine14:27
ijwThey say 'backwards compatible with enable_dhcp' - I'll check what Mark has in mind on IRC when he turns up too if you like14:28
aveigayes, I'd like to have that chat with him14:28
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aveigawe need two keywords14:28
ijwOk, keep an eye in #openstack-neutron later14:28
aveigaor perhaps we'll have to write all the permutations out as enumerations (ick)14:28
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ijwYup, agreed, and unless he's telling us to control dhcp6 from the dhcp flag (I don't think so) then we just reserve enable_dhcp for v4 behaviour14:29
ijwSince v6 is busted that is backwards compatible, I think14:29
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ijwI'll check with evan too14:29
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aveigasc68cal: I think we're settled here14:29
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sc68cal#topic open discussion14:30
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sc68calWe're making some headway on the hairpinning bug14:30
baoli__Question about dnsmasq instances. how to determine one needs started? separate ipv6 instance?14:31
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ijwAs far as I'm concerned, shshang can do what he pleases as long as it implements the spec ;)14:31
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sc68calbaoli__: I believe dnsmasq processes are launched per subnet14:31
aveigabaoli__: if the option we pick for enabling dhcp is set to anything but off, you'll have to start one14:31
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sc68calor possibly per network -14:31
baoli__sc68cal, it's per network.14:31
ijwbaoli__: not for v6 it isn't14:32
ijwYou need it in your router namespaces14:32
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baoli__ijw, if you add a subnet into a router, then you will have one instance per subnet?14:33
ijwThe minimal number that will do is one per router (for RAs) plus one for all the subnets that don't have routers (which you could load all the dhcpv6 work onto)14:33
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baoli__My qeustion is what if the subnet is not added into a router, but enabled with ipv6?14:34
sc68calit's the other way around, I believe14:34
sc68calrouters are added to subnets14:34
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sc68calvia the API14:34
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aveigaI think it only depends on our mode settings14:35
ijwEither way, you need (at least) one dnsmasq per net with detached subnets that have address discovery enabled.14:35
aveigaif we set the RA mode off and the address mode off, you don't need one14:35
baoli__usage: neutron router-interface-add [-h] [--request-format {json,xml}]                                     router-id INTERFACE  Add an internal network interface to a router.  positional arguments:   router-id             ID of the router   INTERFACE             The format is "SUBNET|subnet=SUBNET|port=PORT". Either                         a subnet or port must be specified. Both ID and name                         are acc14:35
aveigaotherwise, you follow the settings14:35
baoli__sorry, the format is not good to see14:35
ijwYeah, that port doesn't really work for us any more.  Ports are in one of the subnets for v4 but all of them for v614:36
aveigaI think this will be clarified better one the keyword stuff is nailed down14:36
shshangbaoli, in your case (private network), all modes and keywords we discussed here is still valid, however, inside the code, the way I am writing it now is to detect whether gateway exist and launch dnsmasq accordingly14:36
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aveigashshang: I think it doesn't need to detect anything14:37
aveigajust follow the keywords14:37
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shshangthe CLI doesn't, but code need to14:37
aveigaI don't want to go down that hole where we have to detect things14:37
baoli__shshang, so without a router, the VM won't be able talk ipv6?14:37
shshangthe code need to differetiate whether the subnet has router port, or not14:37
shshangit still can14:38
shshangbut the code needs to decide where to launch the dnsmasq14:38
aveigabaoli__: without a router, you'd either have link local only or you set dnsmasq to issue RAs for SLAAC14:38
baoli__aveiga, so you need to enable ipv6 in the dnsmasq running in the dhcp namespace?14:39
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aveigathat was my next question14:39
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shshangthe answer is yet14:39
aveigaare we running one dnsmasq per network, or one per subnet?14:39
sc68calper network14:39
baoli__per network as far as I saw it from my test14:40
shshangper subnet14:40
aveigathat begs the question14:40
sc68calIf anything, dnsmasq was being too helpful - it was adding entries to the leases file for ports that were on subnets that didn't have dhcp enabled14:40
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aveigawhen you want an RA on the router port, you have to run another dnsmasq14:40
aveigais this the case?14:40
sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64578/ Ensure entries in dnsmasq belong to a subnet using DHCP14:40
shshangthat is the hardest part14:41
shshangaveiga, I have been pulling my teeth to get that work...14:41
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aveigaI'm sure14:41
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aveigathis is why I suggested running radvd instead of an extra dnsmasq14:41
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aveigabut that complicates matters when you don't have a router14:42
aveigadamned if you do, damned if you don't14:42
shshangLOL...very true14:42
sc68calShould we hook into the code that creates a router in neutron14:42
sc68calto launch rtadvd?14:42
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aveigasc68cal: your BSDisms are showing :-P14:43
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baoli__just tried to add a subnet, and here it is:ps -ef | grep dnsmasqnobody    2898     1  0 14:42 ?        00:00:00 dnsmasq --no-hosts --no-resolv --strict-order --bind-interfaces --interface=tap7c0d258a-dc --except-interface=lo --pid-file=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/133288d6-9b9a-42ff-9eed-daee8a539410/pid --dhcp-hostsfile=/opt/stack/data/neutron/dhcp/133288d6-9b9a-42ff-9eed-daee8a539410/host --dhcp-optsfile=/opt/stack/data/14:43
aveigasc68cal: I knew what you meant14:44
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baoli__--leasefile-ro --dhcp-range=set:tag0,,static,86400s --dhcp-range=set:tag1,,static,86400s --dhcp-lease-max=512 --conf-file= --domain=openstacklocal 1000      3225  3025  0 14:42 pts/3    00:00:00 grep --color=auto dnsmasq14:44
sc68calI believe "133288d6-9b9a-42ff-9eed-daee8a539410" is the network id14:45
baoli__two subnets &
aveigaright, it's one instance per network14:45
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shshangin IPv6, you have to be one instance per subnet, due to default route14:46
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shshangassuming you want dnsmasq to send out RA14:46
aveigashshang: only if you're issuing DHCPv6 from the router namespace14:46
aveigaand actually, not even14:47
aveigait's still one per network14:47
aveigayou issue the RA per subnet14:47
aveigadnsmasq should be able to issue multiple RAs14:47
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shshangYes, dnsmasq will issue the RA per subnet, and, dnsmasq needs to bind to the default gw port14:47
baoli__I'm not sure if the router port is numbered with IP addresses from multiple subnets in the same network14:48
aveigaoh, that's the problem14:48
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aveigait's because you can't do that in ipv414:48
aveigaugh, that means we have to run one per subnet14:48
ijwWell, we would want to fix the port addressing14:49
aveigaif you ran dnsmasq on the dhcp namespace14:49
ijwOr, at least, we could14:49
aveigayou could probably run radvd on the router namespace for each port14:49
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aveigaI still think it's better to decouple them, even in the actual code14:49
aveigamakes it cleaner14:50
shshangyou mean, decouple which two?14:50
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aveigaaddressing and RA14:50
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aveigai.e. run dnsmasq where it normally runs14:50
aveigaand run radvd on the router namespace14:50
aveigajust don't have dnsmasq do the RAs at all14:51
shshangagreed. I think you successfully convinced me. :D14:51
ijwIf it were me, for the sake of simplicity and also so that dhcp doesn't jump addresses when you attach a router, I would run one process for DHCP and one for RA.  And, if it were me, I would also run the v6 process indepdently of v4, at least until we've established things are working.14:51
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ijwOptimise later.14:51
shshangnow I can only use what we have...i.e. dnsmasq.14:51
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aveigaijw: I'd agree with you, except for the fact that neutron mlk has been abuzz with performance issues recently14:52
baoli__aveiga, that's probably a good idea14:52
ijwYes, though I don't know that we would necessarily be making performance much worse by doing this (where specifically we're talking about the turnaround for adding a port)14:52
aveigaijw: I agree14:53
aveigaso let's try it14:53
ijwIt's kill -HUP on more processes - but we're going to be doing that anyway, and it's a function call not a command (ovs-vsctl is the root of all evil tbh)14:53
aveigajust expecet a mislead -1 here and there14:53
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baoli__Another question, are we going to support ipv6 prefix delegation with dhcp?14:54
shshangyes, that is in Sean's original proposal14:54
aveigabaoli__: yes, but I think that's a J thing14:54
aveigait's too much to get out the door for Icehouse14:55
baoli__I see14:55
shshangbut not sure whether it makes to icehouse....14:55
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aveigait's in my backlog to writeup though14:55
ijwI'd put that the other way - fundamental addressing, then fundamental routing, then whatever we can fit in14:55
aveigawe'll need it for advanced services VMs14:55
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aveigawe have 5 minutes left14:56
aveigaanyone else have anything they want to bring up?14:56
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ijwshshang: ping me when you have a patch up and I'll come check it out14:56
baoli__Sean, how can I access to your original proposal? Are they all accessible from the meeting wiki?14:56
ijwDaniel B has -1'ed the hairpin, I see14:56
ijwCan't track him down on here, I thought he was berrange but if he is he ain't on14:56
ijwLooks very like he's been out a week.  I'll deal with it14:57
sc68calbaoli__: check the blueprints14:57
sc68calI believe our wiki page for the subteam meetings will have links14:57
baoli__ok, thanks14:57
baoli__Do you think I can work on it?14:57
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sc68calbaoli__: the prefix delegation?14:58
baoli__Sean, yes14:58
sc68calI don't know if we have a specific blueprint to cover it - feel free to register it and start the work14:59
baoli__cool, thanks14:59
sc68calmake sure you base it on top of the dnsmasq topic14:59
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sc68calok everyone, till next week15:00
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n0anoanyone here for the gantt/scheduler meeting?15:01
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toan-tranhi all15:01
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n0anoI think boris-42 normally gets here a little late so lets talk about the code frorklift first15:02
n0ano#topic scheduler code forklift15:03
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n0anoDon't know if you saw my email but I've got about 24 patches to bring the gantt tree synced up to recent nova changes15:03
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n0anofeelings seem to be that we should still review those sync up patches so I'll push them soon but that means there will be a lot of reviews needed15:04
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n0anojust a warning that we will need to do those reviews15:04
boris-42n0ano we are still fixing bugs & so on15:04
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boris-42n0ano and we started preparing demo with Rally15:05
n0anoon second thought, let's switch topics15:05
n0ano#topic no_db scheduler15:05
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boris-42n0ano so qucik update15:05
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boris-42n0ano we are fixing unit test that are related to DB code15:05
boris-42n0ano and in  parallel working around benchmarking it at scale15:05
n0anoso the bugs are not that critical i guess15:06
boris-42n0ano we will use Rally and some new functionality of it that is not yet merged15:06
boris-42n0ano yep it works on home devstack installation15:06
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boris-42n0ano but need to pass all jenkins stuff15:06
n0anofor sure15:06
boris-42n0ano and verify results using Rally15:06
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boris-42n0ano so Rally is able to deploy multimode OpenStack deployment15:06
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boris-42n0ano and to deploy compute_nodes insinde LXC containers15:07
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boris-42n0ano so we will deploy it probably on 1 controller + 1000 compute node15:07
n0anois there a lot of functionality that is unmerged?  sounds like there will be a big change when your stuff goes in15:07
boris-42n0ano where in Rally?15:07
toan-tranboris-42: what do you use for nova driver inside LXC?15:08
boris-42toan-tran we will use virt fake15:08
boris-42that will allow us to avoid usage of resources15:08
boris-42toan-tran and run 1 compute node per 100mb of RAM15:08
toan-tranboris-42 ok15:09
boris-42toan-tran it will be actually really simple to repeat on your pc15:09
boris-42toan-tran so that's all15:09
boris-42n0ano ^15:09
n0anonot sure what your question was, I didn't mention rally15:10
toan-tranwe've also tried LXC actually :)15:10
toan-tranbut failed to use libvirt or lxc as driver15:10
boris-42toan-tran don't try to do it=)15:10
boris-42n0ano I mean all new scheduler is not merged15:11
boris-42n0ano all patches are still on review15:11
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boris-42n0ano what we need is to pass all tests in gate15:11
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boris-42n0ano and to test how performance changed15:11
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n0anothen the `not merged functionality' is stuff that needs to be added to your no_db code, right?15:12
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n0anoboris-42, you there?15:14
boris-42n0ano nope15:14
boris-42n0ano it's functionality that is not merged in master, and is on review15:15
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boris-42n0ano these patches will add new scheduler https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/no-db-scheduler,n,z15:15
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boris-42n0ano when they will be merged15:15
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garykboris-42: i have been over the code - there are some cases where there are no tests cases in the patch sets and added in sets after that. would it be possible to address that. it may speed things up a little15:16
boris-42garyk could you just put this on review?15:17
boris-42garyk yep sure we will address all such stuff15:17
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garykboris-42: sure. have already in some that i have been over, will do again15:18
n0anoso, to be clear, these 5 patches implment the no_db scheduler, is that right?15:18
boris-42n0ano yep15:18
boris-42n0ano but the work is not ended15:19
boris-42n0ano we should refactor code a bit + add data from cinder15:19
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n0anocool, that will be a big accomplishment15:19
n0anosure, there's always more work but getting it in will be a big start15:20
boris-42and we will make benchmarks as well15:20
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boris-42to approve that new approach is better15:20
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n0anoyeah, benchmarks will be needed, I think it's the right approach but you have to be able to measure it to prove it's the right way to go15:21
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toan-tranboris-42 after the merge will all the functions nova.db.xxx still work?15:21
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boris-42toan-tran that's the part of refactoring15:22
boris-42toan-tran we will remove them15:22
toan-tranfor instance, does availability-zone filter's call for DB work or we have to modify the call?15:22
boris-42I think that we will need to modify all this stuff15:22
boris-42it's important to remove all related to DB stuff from scheduler logic15:23
boris-42then we will be able to implement Gantt15:23
toan-trancan you make a proxy call from Synchronizer?15:23
boris-42scheduler as a service15:23
boris-42toan-tran seems like we will need for all such data (or to store it in scheduler)15:24
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toan-trane.g. some functions for compute still use nova DB , some host-state functions will be redirected by synchronizer15:24
boris-42two approach available 1. store all on scheduler 2. make calls to data provider15:24
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boris-42toan-tran at this moment we moved compute_node/compute_node_stats tables to schedler15:26
boris-42toan-tran and we will remove compute_node* table and all db.api.calls that are related to it15:26
toan-tranboris-42 what about aggregate-hosts tables ?15:27
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boris-42toan-tran at the first moment we won't  touch them15:28
boris-42toan-tran then we will refactor15:28
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n0anoboris-42, funny, that's what I thought you'd say :-)15:29
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n0anosounds good, any other questions for boris-42 ?15:30
toan-tranboris-42 my concern is that some of the tables, like aggragates - hosts - metadata are used in more than one nvoa service15:30
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toan-tranas I understand, you will make others to call nova-scheduler to consult them15:30
toan-tranis that correct?15:30
n0anotoan-tran, which means the refactoring to deal with that will be a little tricky, including new calls to the scheduler15:31
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boris-42n0ano yep15:31
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boris-42n0ano because current approach with AMOUNT_OF_SERVERS calls will not scale at all15:31
boris-42toan-tran ^15:31
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boris-42toan-tran so by refactoring I am thinking about redesign it15:32
boris-42toan-tran to work without N calls15:32
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toan-tranboris-42 understood15:32
boris-42toan-tran to explain why it doesn't scale you can just calculate15:33
boris-42toan-tran 2k servers * 100 (instance to run) == 200k db calls15:33
toan-tranboris-42 each call = compute_node join metadata join service ..., yeah, i see the picture15:34
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boris-42toan-tran yep that makes picture even worse15:35
boris-42toan-tran and our goal is to make OpenStack working at least on 10k servers15:35
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boris-42out of box15:35
n0anoboris-42, tnx for the update, good work15:36
boris-42n0ano np15:36
n0anomoving back15:36
boris-42n0ano hope to show some results on next week15:36
n0ano#scheduler code forklift15:36
n0anoas I said, gantt tree up & I will be posting about 24 syncup patches15:37
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dduttasorry to jump in ... but have people tried to measure against mysql running on ramdisk ... 1TB RAM is quite a lot15:37
n0anoI'll probably get a little obnoxious about getting reviews for those15:37
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garykddutta: :)15:37
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n0anoddutta, can you hold off a bit, I think we can close the current topic quickly15:38
n0anoI see some patches against the gantt client tree so people are starting to look at things but there's a lot of work that needs to be done yet15:38
n0anomy biggest concern is getting nova to use the gantt tree, I'd like to see some progress there15:39
coolsvapn0ano:  I agree, it was just a initial code I am trying to add to ganttclient15:39
n0anocoolsvap, NP, very necessary to get things started, now the real work begins :-)15:40
coolsvapI would like to see the patches you will be submitting15:40
n0anocoolsvap, I hope to push them this afternoon (lots of meetings this morning) but there all pretty clean updaes from the nova tree, should be simple to review15:41
n0anocoolsvap, btw, nothing for the ganttclient tree yet, I'll sync that tree later this week.15:42
coolsvapn0ano:  I have submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66263/15:42
n0anocoolsvap, tnx, I'll go look at it.15:43
garyki am sorry but i need to leave. ddutta can provide an update for the instance groups. the scheduling patch has been in review since june :).15:43
garykhave a good day/evening15:43
n0anogaryk, sorry we took so long, have a good day15:43
n0anoanyway, I think that's all for the forklift so...15:43
n0ano#topic opens15:44
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n0anoddutta, you had a question?15:44
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dduttaregarding the performance of the scheduler etc - wondering if someone  had tried mysql on ramdisk15:44
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boris-42ddutta it is not so big problem with mysql15:44
n0anoddutta, how would that work with multiple schedulers?15:45
dduttasorry I jumped in late and saw back of the envelope calculation ...15:45
boris-42ddutta e.g. for 10k nodes it takes about 2sec to get all data from mysql15:45
boris-42ddutta on not so super upper powerful server15:45
dduttawell how does the multiple scheduler use case supposed to work15:45
* n0ano ignore my comment on multiple schedulers, it doesn't apply15:46
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boris-42ddutta the most part of time is taken to create python object from mysql result15:46
dduttafor example we extracted data from nova and punt it to a  constraint solver and even that is fast15:46
dduttaand we are doing math optimziation15:46
dduttawell i think the bottleneck is in all the filter scheduler ... you are solving for constraints in python15:46
boris-42ddutta not only in filter15:47
dduttawe demo-ed it last nov in a talk and have it for review15:47
boris-42ddutta for example for 10k servers filter works takes about 1 sec15:47
boris-42ddutta and getting data about 1015:47
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boris-42ddutta we made some performance testing15:48
boris-42ddutta even more we already improve speed of scheduler15:48
boris-42ddutta in havana15:48
dduttainteresting... do u have a doc?15:48
dduttawith the breakdown of numbers15:48
toan-tranddutta: I took a look at solver-scheduler, it requires much more time than filter scheduler15:48
dduttawell depends on what constraints you use15:49
toan-tranwith filter scheduler, it's mysql access that cost much15:49
boris-42ddutta https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43151/15:49
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toan-tranddutta as I see it, your constraint depends on the filters you use15:49
boris-42toan-tran in case of no-db-scheduler you are accessing local python object15:49
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toan-tranddutta using to the same filters , it requires more treatment than simply apply the filters15:50
toan-tranas in filter scheduler15:50
toan-tranbut basically you'll need host state access, too15:50
dduttanot really ... if you have a complex set of filters ... you will compete against optimized C++ code in the optimixation backend (we use apache licensed solvers from google)15:51
toan-tranI think that no-db would profit you, too15:51
dduttayeah its orthogonal to the solving ... I agree ....15:51
dduttaif the bottleneck is only in the mysql -> py objects, then fine ....15:51
boris-42ddutta it's not15:51
boris-42ddutta but it's the biggest one15:52
boris-42ddutta btw do you have server with 1TB RAM?15:52
dduttaall that a solver  (or any filter) needs is a simple matrix from the mysql calls which IMO is much easier than assembling from py objects15:52
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dduttayeah I have access to servers with 1TB and 768GB RAM ... 1TB is not common but doable ... 768GB is very common15:53
dduttaI can run a benchmark if you want :)15:53
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boris-42ddutta okay I will introduce you later15:53
* n0ano considers the statment `768GB is very common'15:53
dduttan0ano: common in the lab I have access to :)15:54
* coolsvap too n0ano :)15:54
n0anoddutta, still :-)15:54
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n0anosounds like ddutta and boris-42 need to email each other and maybe report out next week, I'll keep the fire on you guys15:55
boris-42n0ano yep15:55
n0anogetting close to the hour, any last minute opens?15:55
dduttaquick update on instance groups15:55
n0anoddutta, go for it15:55
dduttav2 API under review for a while ... the gating item was v3 which is 80% done15:56
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dduttahopefully we will commit it in a few days and start bugging people for reviews15:56
n0anocool, tnx (lots of reviews coming up, people get ready)15:57
n0anolast call?15:57
n0anoOK, tnx everyone, talk to you next week.15:57
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boris-42akscram ping17:27
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boris-42#startmeeting Rally17:27
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boris-42hughsaunders hi17:28
boris-42sorry I late a bit=)17:28
boris-42os let's start17:29
boris-42seems like nobody is here=) lol17:29
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boris-42okay I have a couple things that I would like to disucss17:30
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boris-42#topic Rally & Benchamrk engine better result collecting17:30
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boris-42So the main idea that now we are collection only times of whole scenario loop17:30
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boris-42but it could be improved to collect results of all atomic actions17:31
hughsaundersthat would be good17:31
boris-42so we already have some kind of base classes17:31
boris-42so with such atomic actions17:32
boris-42we should make some decorator17:32
boris-42that will be add on them and that will contain name of "parameter"17:32
boris-42then we will store all data in class object (like now https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/nova/servers.py#L38 this work)17:33
boris-42and then get it https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/runner.py#L5517:33
boris-42here from class instance17:34
boris-42and push in key like full_times17:34
boris-42hughsaunders thoughts ^17:34
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hughsaundersboris-42: I think more granular results would be useful17:35
hughsaunderslike I was attempting with scenario_specific_results17:36
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boris-42yep but that is a bit different17:36
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boris-42and could be implemented together=)17:36
boris-42I will try to find time to retest your patch soon17:36
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hughsaunderssounds like you have a plan that could work across all scenarios?17:36
boris-42hughsaunders yep17:36
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boris-42hughsaunders just add decorators to all "atomic" actions (like _boot_server)17:37
boris-42that will store in class object17:37
boris-42all timings17:37
boris-42and then after execution of method get them17:37
hughsaundersthat makes sense17:37
boris-42so this will be feature of scenario runner not every benchmark17:38
boris-42okay so it seems like good idea17:39
hughsaundersboris-42: may be able to auto-decorate with a metaclass?17:39
boris-42not sure17:39
hughsaundersI'm not sure either, would have to do some reading17:39
boris-42I mean I would like to decorate only "atomic" actions17:39
boris-42if we continue storing all such methods in couple classes17:40
boris-42like now https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/keystone/utils.py#L3517:40
boris-42then it is possible17:40
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hughsaundersok, probably simpler to use a decorator as you suggested17:41
boris-42yep to specify some beauty names17:41
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boris-42like here https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/benchmark/scenarios/keystone/utils.py#L4117:41
hughsaundersanyone else here BTW?17:41
boris-42miarmak should be=)17:42
miarmakhi 2 all)17:42
hughsaundershi miarmak :)17:42
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boris-42so .. I think that we could continue discussing this17:43
boris-42in other place17:43
boris-42like ether pad but the major idea is ok17:43
boris-42#topic Rally & Tempest17:43
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boris-42miarmak could you share your results ?17:44
miarmakboris-42: : over what period?17:45
boris-42miarmak about  Rally & Tempest17:45
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miarmaktomorrow I'll start investigate this issue. Today and yesterday i tryed to finish all my activities in other issues17:46
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boris-42so you didn't start work around this part?17:46
boris-42Okay I will just share for others17:46
boris-42We are going to add some kind of cloud verification17:47
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hughsaundersI was wondering if tempest has/needs a plugin system, so stackforge projects can use that to provide their own tests17:47
boris-42hughsaunders hmm yep I think it need17:47
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miarmakYesterday I installed rally, but had some problems with it usage (Hugh alredy have reported this bug)17:47
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boris-42miarmak and fixed=)17:47
miarmakoh, it's great) hughsaunders: Thanks!17:48
boris-42so the tempest & rally integration means next one17:48
boris-42we have at this moment part that creates "deployments"17:48
boris-42part that runs "benchmarks"17:48
boris-42and there is no way before running benchmark to ensure that whole cloud works properly17:49
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boris-42so we would like to add 1 more command17:49
boris-42something like openstack-rally verify --deploy-id17:49
boris-42that will make proper tempest config17:49
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boris-42and run tempest against cloud17:49
boris-42miarmak hughsaunders  I think it will be nice functionality ^17:50
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hughsaundersahh, so we don't actually need rally specific tests, we run standard tempest tests before benchmarking17:50
boris-42not only before17:50
boris-42when you would like17:50
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boris-42just "button" to run tempest against coud17:51
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boris-42so I think it's ok?17:52
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boris-42hughsaunders ^17:52
boris-42miarmak ^17:52
hughsaundersI think that would be useful17:52
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miarmakI think so17:52
boris-42ok nice17:53
boris-42last topic for today17:53
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boris-42#topic Rally & Benchmarks Inside VMs17:53
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boris-42so the ideas is to make next steps17:54
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hughsaundersboris-42: next step: get my review to patchset 20 ;-)17:54
boris-42using heat install inside VMs different benchmark suits17:55
boris-42then run them17:55
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boris-42collect info17:55
boris-42present to user17:55
boris-42so we can use current benchmark engine17:55
boris-42and I don't know probably N different benchmark scenario for N different suits17:56
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boris-42each of benchmark scenario will have some (probably hardcoded heat template) that makes required installation17:56
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boris-42so we will be able to run a lot of simultaneously benchmarks in cloud17:57
boris-42and check that there is no difference if we run with 1 active user and with N active user17:57
boris-42hughsaunders miarmak  thoughts ^17:57
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hughsaundersthat would be good, I prob won't have time to work on it soon though :(17:58
hughsaundersalso have to go at in two mins17:58
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miarmakwhy hardcoded? We can make several heat templates and use necessary щту17:58
boris-42because every heat template is related with some benchmark suit17:59
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boris-42different benchmark suit will be in different scnearios17:59
boris-42because processing of output data will be done in different ways17:59
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boris-42but this is all under discussion17:59
boris-42so i will make some ether pad17:59
miarmakoh, ok17:59
boris-42about this and probably send to mailing list18:00
boris-42Okay we have to end meeting18:00
boris-42see you later18:00
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hughsaunderslaters, apologies for early exit..18:00
dolphm#startmeeting keystone18:00
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dolphm#topic Hackathon18:01
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dolphmthe agenda is basically empty, and lots of people are en route to san antonio today for the hackathon tomorrow18:01
dolphm#topic Open discussion18:01
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dolphmi'm mostly looking at blueprint-targeted patchsets today18:01
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nkinderI'd like to discuss the keystone OSSN I'm working on.18:02
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dolphmnkinder: the one we discussed on friday?18:02
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nkinderdolphm: yep.  Just want to know if there's anything to change.18:02
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bknudsonnkinder: is it posted somewhere?18:03
nkinderdolphm: I still don't mention anything about potential fixes in Havana18:03
nkinderbknudson: let me grab the launchpad link...18:03
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fabiogdolphm, I was wondering if the extensions notification is ready for merging  ...18:04
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1254619 in ossn "external.Default authentication plugin only considers leftmost part of the REMOTE_USER split by "@"" [Undecided,In progress]18:04
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fabiog#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57811/18:04
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dolphmfabiog: i started reviewing it this morning again, and ended up spending an hour rewriting that EXTENSIONS_HOWTO doc a bit18:05
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dolphmfabiog: so i still need to get back on track there18:05
bknudsonnkinder: seems like with the recommended action working around the problem that no fix to havana is required.18:05
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fabiogdolphm, ok. Thanks!18:06
dolphmfabiog: worst case, i'm sure we'll spend some time on it during the hackathon... but my goal is to review it this afternoon18:07
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nkinderbknudson: the only restriction that havana introduced is that you can't have external users with "@" characters in their name.18:07
dolphmnkinder: so, we landed a fix to master... bknudson, i'd be okay backporting that to havana as-is... thoughts?18:07
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bknudsonnkinder: the changes to havana also made it so that we don't ship a plugin that works with both v2 and v3 auth.18:08
bknudsondolphm: I don't think the changes are backwards-compatible?18:08
bknudsonI haven't looked at the review closely... it's on my list of things to do.18:09
dolphmbknudson: well, it would provide a backwards compatible solution, but you'd have to opt-in to use the "broken" class after upgrading18:09
dolphmbknudson: otherwise, we'd be hot swapping one implementation for another, and yeah... that might break people18:09
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nkinderdolphm: so are you OK with the OSSN as is, or are changes you'd like to see?18:11
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dolphmnkinder: i like it as is18:13
nkinderdolphm: ok, great.  Would you please approve it in the launchpad bug?  We're trying to always get PTL signoff for OSSNs now.18:14
dolphmnkinder: sure18:14
nkinderdolphm: thanks!18:14
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dolphmnkinder: done18:15
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lbragstaddolphm: quick question on trusts if we are still in open discussion?18:25
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dolphmlbragstad: absolutely18:25
lbragstadShould the manager class here be implemented to call driver?18:25
lbragstadso that, if we wanted to use notifications on trusts, we could by wrapping the Manager methods with the notifications wrapper?18:26
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dolphmlbragstad: it does call the driver -- everything is proxied through automatically18:28
dolphmlbragstad: if you want to wrap specific calls, you can override them and do so18:28
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jamielennoxhi all, sorry i'm late18:29
dolphmjamielennox: o/18:29
lbragstaddolphm: ok, so that would only be methods for trust CUD that would need to be in the trust.Manager18:29
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dolphmjamielennox: there's only a few of us on, so it's just an hour of open discussion18:29
jamielennoxyea, i thought it would be quiet today18:30
dolphmlbragstad: if that's what you want to emit notifications for, then yes18:30
lbragstadok, sounds good18:30
dolphmlbragstad: create_trust, delete_trust? (there's no update)18:30
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lbragstadcool, thanks!18:31
jamielennoxnot that it's not nice to chat but is there anything for me? otherwise i might go back to bed18:31
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jamielennoxdolphm: can you have a loot at your -1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62546/18:34
jamielennoxyou wanted a rebase - but then the -1 got carried over18:34
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dolphmjamielennox: hrm, i asked for a rebase because i thoguht there was a merge conflict to be resolved18:35
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dolphmmaybe i did a bad checkout18:35
dolphmjamielennox: approved18:35
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jamielennoxit's a little old now, but it shouldn't conflict with anything18:36
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jamielennoxdolphm: i also rebased and opend up the the auth_plugins patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60751/18:38
jamielennoxif you get a chance try to wrap your head around it because it's going to be difficult to get the compatibility right and figure out how to test the thing18:38
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jamielennoxalright - enjoy the hackathon - wish i could be there18:40
dolphmjamielennox: +2'd the underlying patch18:40
dolphmjamielennox: /salute go to bed!18:40
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dolphmbknudson: i posted a diff in a review comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54647/18:42
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dolphmbknudson: i think that completes the bp?18:42
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bknudsondolphm: the problem is it'll never pass tempest18:42
bknudsonbecause tempest has tests that verify the old behavior18:43
dolphmbknudson: eek, what does tempest assert?18:43
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bknudsondolphm: I posted a change to tempest but was -1d https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56106/18:43
bknudsonand then I didn't get back to it.18:43
bknudsondolphm: maybe it can be accepted (or a version of it) given the blueprint.18:43
bknudsonI'm easily distracted18:44
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dolphmbknudson: it sounds like they just want to see the bp on the keystone side?18:45
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dolphmwhich would just be no-check-id18:46
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marekddolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60244 - some comments here, mainly about naming conventions. These are minor things, i don't mind changing the names, but if you leave some trace i would fix it tomorrow.18:53
dolphmmarekd: leave a trace?18:53
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dolphmmarekd: go ahead and clean up the names, and include the changes from this patch (which i'll abandon) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66638/18:54
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marekddolphm: ok, i will do so.18:55
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dolphmjust a couple minutes left, so i'm going to #endmeeting before i forget :)18:58
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marekdok, gnight!18:58
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dolphmfabiog: marekd: /salute18:58
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fungiinfra team assemble! (form of: a meeting)19:00
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fungihub_cap, SlickNik, lifeless, SergeyLukjanov, pabelanger, zaro, zhiwei, reed are also mentioned on the agenda19:01
lifelessruh roh19:01
fungii believe clarkb and jeblair are incommunicado19:01
mordredstupid australia19:02
fungi#startmeeting infra19:02
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fungi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:02
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fungii took the liberty to throw a few more items on the agenda at the last minute, mainly stuff which has cropped up on which i'm either looking into or failing to find bandwidth to address19:03
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fungiwe may not get to everything mentioned there, but we'll see how far the hour takes us19:03
fungi#topic Actions from last meeting19:03
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fungithere were none19:03
mordredwe win19:03
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fungiit was also a very short meeting19:03
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fungi#topic Trove testing (mordred, hub_cap, SlickNik)19:04
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mordredI have no status19:04
fungino exciting news?19:04
mordredand hub_cap and SlickNik are not here19:04
mordredwell, I've done no real work in a month, so expect very little from me19:04
fungiSlickNik was in here last week and said he's working on it19:04
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fungiso we'll just assume that's still the case and move along19:05
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fungi#topic Tripleo testing (lifeless, pleia2, fungi)19:05
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fungiwe apparently have a new tripleo cloud?19:05
pleia2the new cloud is up for this, fungi added the new info in a review19:05
fungilifeless and i were discussing it last night19:05
fungiand again just now19:05
fungii need to test the credentials by creating a floating-ip for the controller i guess?19:06
pleia2I have to schedule a meeting with dprince and derekh to chat about progress otherwise19:06
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fungii'll get the details later on what should happen from my end19:06
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pleia2that's it from me, holidays + LCA has put me a bit behind19:06
fungithe config change for nodepool is at...19:06
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/6649119:06
fungii've updated the creds in hiera to what i think they're supposed to be now19:07
fungithe old poc cloud going down exposed a nodepool bug for us too19:07
* mordred is excited19:07
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fungi#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/126900119:07
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1269001 in nodepool "Nodepool stops building any new nodes when one provider is down" [High,Triaged]19:07
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fungiit resulted in the backup you see in the gate currently19:08
sdagueyeh, that's why we have a huge gate queue this morning19:08
fungithe test nodes graph on the status page is fun19:08
sdaguewe had 250 jobs in the check queue, at least that is trending down19:08
fungii said in the bug i'd make a patch, and then started to dig into the nodepool source, and then was drawn and quartered by other things which cropped up, so if anyone else wants that bug, it's probably not too hard19:09
fungiotherwise i hope to get to it before it bites us again19:09
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fungianything else on tripleo testing before i move on?19:10
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fungi#action fungi test new tripleo ci cloud account credentials19:10
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fungi#topic Savanna testing (SergeyLukjanov)19:10
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SergeyLukjanovnothing realling interesting this week too19:10
SergeyLukjanovchanges are under review in tempest19:10
fungiokay, want to keep it on the agenda for next week still?19:11
SergeyLukjanovbasic integration has been already merged in19:11
SergeyLukjanovfungi, probably we could move it to the end of agenda19:11
fungiokay, will do19:11
fungi#topic Zuul release (2.0?) / packaging (jeblair, pabelanger)19:12
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SergeyLukjanovI don't think that we'll have enough questions in the nearest feature to have searated section on the meeting19:12
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SergeyLukjanov^^ about savanna testing19:12
fungi#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/zuul/tag/?id=2.0.019:12
fungii guess that happened19:12
fungiweeks ago19:13
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fungihas there been any fallout from it which bears discussing, or should it come off the agenda?19:13
fungii'm thinking the latter19:13
* mordred votes later19:13
fungiafter more than a month, any bugs should be addressed as, well, bugs19:14
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fungi#topic Jenkins 1.543 upgrade (zaro, clarkb)19:14
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fungii believe the main news here is that jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 still need an upgrade to match 02-04, but sdague has spotted some missing logs which clarkb thinks may be a locking/sync problem in the scp plugin19:15
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sdagueyeh, we're loosing console logs an alarming amount of the time19:15
sdague5 - 10% by what I'm seeing19:15
sdaguewhich explains why elastic recheck has been missing a lot of things19:16
mordredcan we use turbo-hipster yet?19:16
fungicurrent guess based on the logstash client logs is that we're racing and requesting the console log before it's available, so we get a 40419:16
fungiand that this is probably the upshot of the threading fix which was made to the scp plugin to work properly on newer jenkins19:17
fungiwhich coincides with when we think this behavior began19:17
mordredseems sensible to me19:17
sdagueyeh, fixing that is somewhat of a blocker for some of the ER work, because if ES isn't a reliable source of truth, a lot of the numbers have no meaning19:18
fungizaro: you were wanting to discuss it in detail with clarkb before digging into it further, you said19:18
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fungi#action zaro discuss potential scp plugin race with clarkb19:19
fungi#action fungi upgrade jenkins.o.o and jenkins01 to match 02-0419:20
fungiif somebody else beats me to that, i won't complain19:20
fungi#topic Requested StackForge project rename (fungi, clarkb, zhiwei)19:20
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fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2014-January/000594.html19:20
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fungistackforge/cookbook-openstack-metering wants to rename to stackforge/cookbook-openstack-telemetry19:21
fungiapparently using official terms instead of codenames for openstack projects doesn't keep you from having to rename things19:21
fungii'm willing to do this on saturday (the 18th) and clarkb said he expected to be around that day if i ran into major issues19:22
fungii'll tentatively set this for 19:00 utc, but i'll nail down a time when he's around19:23
fungi#action fungi rename stackforge/cookbook-openstack-metering to -telemetry19:23
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fungi#topic Ongoing new project creation issues (fungi, clarkb)19:23
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* mordred was just reading the latest on that19:24
fungimanage-projects is apparently still broken19:24
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mordreddidn't we make it so that it would error out if group creation didnt' work19:24
mordredso that at least you could just re-run it over and over again/19:24
fungii tried two more new project creations as guinea pigs yesterday and got the same behavior we'd been seein gpreviously19:24
* mordred is sad19:24
fungii even tried it on one project which was reusing an existing acl, thus no group creation required19:25
fungisomething prevented it from getting as far as cloning the upstream repo, yet it created an empty project in gerrit and then we got broken mirrors everywhere for it19:25
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mordredoh god19:25
fungii think next we should run it manually without letting puppet try to run it first, since when i rerun it, everything seems fine19:26
mordredyeah. maybe we shoudl just, for the time being, run it manually from time to time19:26
mordredsince that's probably less work than fixing the broken runs19:26
fungianyway, new project requests are piling up, most have -2 votes on them waiting on this to get working19:26
mordredand then once we've figured out what's wrong, we can re-enable the puppet triger19:26
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fungimordred: i've been reviewing most of the new project requests even in light of their -2 condition, trying to get them in shape anyway. if you want to look at them and try manual manage-projects runs on them, i won't object19:27
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mordredfungi: k.19:28
mordredthat would require me having +2 access and ssh access again19:28
fungithough i will admit, my review backlog the past few weeks has been abominable19:28
fungimordred: yes19:28
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fungi#action fungi get mordred's gerrit group membership reinstated19:28
fungithanks for the reminder ;)19:28
fungi#action mordred look at the current state of manage-projects failures19:29
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fungi#topic Pip 1.5 readiness efforts (fungi, mordred)19:29
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fungiat this point most stuff is okay, but requirements integration is broken still19:30
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fungiwe have four known global requirements which pip 1.5 will not download without explicit --allow-external --allow-insecure whitelisting19:30
fungii have a change proposed to do that...19:31
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/6636419:31
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fungihowever, it's now hitting an issue with pip 1.5's refusal to follow -f urls in requirements by default19:32
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fungiapparently we have projects consuming oslo.messaging even though it's never been released to pypi19:32
mordredfungi: how about we land a change to run-mirror with the allow-insecure flag turned on to allow -f19:32
fungii did get around to reserving it on pypi yesterday at least, so nobody else can squat it19:32
mordredfungi: then we land the changes to things to remove their -f19:32
mordredthen we land a change to remove the allow-insecure19:32
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fungimordred: i do want to try that next, however i also want to make sure it's not going to result in us pulling those things into our actual mirror (which pypi-mirror also builds/updates)19:33
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fungiand teh command-line flag to allow it only first appeared in pip 1.5, same release which needs it, so if we want it to be able to run on <1.5 we need to pass it as an envvar instead19:34
mordredno more so that it would have before19:34
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mordredI do not think we care about being able to run run-mirror on pip <1.519:34
* mordred strongly does not care19:34
fungimordred: well, that puts us in a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation while transitioning, since we have pinned our slaves to older virtualenv19:35
mordredhrm. wait19:35
fungiso we need it to work with virtualenv 1.10.1/pip 1.4.1 long enough to switch the mirror updater19:35
mordredrun-mirror upgrades pip in the venv it creates as one of its first steps19:35
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mordredso the pip that comes with the venv should not matter19:36
fungiahh, so we should already be failing this way on the mirror slaves the same way we're failing in the requirements integration jobs?19:36
mordredrun-mirror itself creates and operates inside of venvs to protect against bonghits19:36
fungigood to know. in that case maybe i just try the cli option and see how far it gets us on that existing patch19:36
fungianyway, weeds19:37
fungianybody have anything else on new pip goings on before i move to the next topic?19:37
fungii'll link the tracking bug and etherpad...19:38
fungi#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/126736419:38
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1267364 in openstack-ci "Recurrent jenkins slave agent failures" [Critical,In progress]19:38
fungier, wrong bug19:38
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fungi#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/126651319:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1266513 in tripleo "Some Python requirements are not hosted on PyPI" [Critical,In progress]19:39
fungi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pip1.5Upgrade19:39
fungi#topic OpenID provider project (fungi, reed)19:40
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mordredmmm. openid19:40
fungismarcet has been working on the php end of things for this and got some of the initial redis module written for puppet which it's using19:40
reedmordred, openid is yummy19:40
fungimy next phase of the deployment automation is awaiting review...19:41
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/6331619:41
fungii'm a bit swamped and it needs someone to take up the mantle of adding the project-specific deployment steps on top of that19:41
reedI will try to identify blockroads with smarcet and try to recruit a mentor for him that is not swamped19:42
fungii have details from smarcet on what commands need to be run to deploy it19:42
fungii just have been doing a horrible job of finding time to help with next steps19:42
reedif meanwhile we can merge 63316 that'd be great19:42
reedfungi, you've gone already above and beyond, thank you19:42
fungilooks like jeblair reviewed it on sunday, so i may just go ahead and merge that change so we can pick up some momentum19:43
reed#action reed to talk to smarcet and find a mentor to help him get through the CI learning curve faster19:43
fungibut definitely, anyone who finds this exciting is more than welcome to pitch in. i find it exciting, just very busy already19:44
fungianyway, trying to get through the meeting agenda, so moving on...19:44
fungi#topic Graphite cleanup (fungi)19:44
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fungithe graphite server is spending a *lot* of time (an entire cpu pegged) in iowait19:45
mordredoh, well that's not great19:45
fungithe load is also seeming causing it to fail to generate and serve graphs19:45
fungii think we probably need to look at a faster cinder volume for the whisper files (ssd backed media)19:45
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fungiit's also running out of disk space. the whisper files are fixed size, but we add more and more metrics (new job names, et cetera)19:46
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fungii discussed with jeblair and he's on board with autodeleting any whisper files which haven't received an update in 2 weeks or maybe a month19:46
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fungiit needs someone to look into it, but i'll throw myself on the action item for now as a placeholder and just assume i won't get a chance to look at it between now and the next meeting19:47
fungi#action fungi move graphite whisper files to faster volume19:48
fungi#action fungi prune obsolete whisper files automatically on graphite server19:48
fungiprobably best done in the opposite order, so there are fewer files to rsync19:49
fungi#topic Maven clouddoc plugin move (zaro, mordred)19:49
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mordredugh. what did I do now?19:49
zaroso i don't think there's anything more to do on this.19:49
fungii think your name is a historical artifact on there, mordred19:49
zarolooks like dcramer is doing the release manually19:49
zarousing the maven release plugin19:50
fungii agreed to do the bits mentioned at the end of this review, but haven't found the time (maven nexus org setup stuff)19:50
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fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/4609919:50
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zarothat one is not needed unless this one is approved.. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/5834919:51
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fungiahh, good to know19:51
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fungi#action fungi request org.openstack group in sonatype jira for maven nexus19:52
fungii'll likely just defer that until 58349 gets traction in that case19:52
fungithanks zaro!19:52
zaroright now dcramer is doing the releases manually bypassing what the openstack CI wants to do19:52
fungi#topic Private gerrit for security reviews (zaro, fungi)19:53
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zaroI'm guessing we can just ignore until ann or dcramer needs something.19:54
fungipretty sure this has ended up on the back burner, since gerrit upgrades are worked further through19:54
SergeyLukjanovfungi, I could probably help you with sonatype if you want, I have some groups there19:54
zaroprivate gerrit..  i think we should wait until after gerrit 2.8+19:54
fungiSergeyLukjanov: when that task wakes back up, i'll try to remember to ping you for suggestions. thanks!@19:54
zaroalmost there.19:54
mordredzaro: I completely agree- it seems bananas to add a gerrit that we'll need to upgrade19:54
fungiso that takes us to...19:55
fungi#topic Upgrade gerrit (zaro)19:55
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mordredupgrade upgrade!!!19:55
zarowell.. gerrit 2.8 is on review.o.o19:55
fungiand seems to be increasingly usable19:55
zarojust baking in i guess..19:55
mordredyou mean review-dev.o.o ?19:56
zaroi believe all questions have been answered on etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gerrit-2.8-upgrade19:56
fungii think not enough of us have been around to test things we want to make sure didn't break on it19:56
mordredAaronGr: ^^ don't know if you've been tracking this one19:56
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zarothe next thing i was gonna do was to create a script to semi-automate the upgrade19:56
fungiwhat sort of schedule is google looking at for gerrit 2.9, any idea?19:57
AaronGrmordred: i haven't been, no.19:57
SergeyLukjanovnew review screen looks quite overloaded19:57
zarothe idea is to semi-automate 1st upgrade to 2.8 since it's a troublesome process. then automate 2.8 to next releases via puppet.19:57
mordredI think that's great19:57
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fungiapparently 2.9 is taking away the old review screen view entirely, so the sooner we prepare to make the new one usable (upstream patches, whatever) the better on that19:58
zaroSergeyLukjanov: not turned on in review-de.o.o19:58
mordredSergeyLukjanov: I think we're planning on having the old screen on by default to start with, yeah?19:58
SergeyLukjanovhere is a topic about 2.9 release https://groups.google.com/d/topic/repo-discuss/rAmliEzSsko/discussion19:58
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fungi#link https://groups.google.com/d/topic/repo-discuss/rAmliEzSsko/discussion19:58
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SergeyLukjanovmordred, AFAIK it'll be removed in next gerrit releases and I saw a CR to enable new screen for review.o.o while upgrading gerrit19:58
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SergeyLukjanovzaro, I know, I've setup an instance for myself and was surprised :()19:59
fungi2.9-rc0 early this week according to mfick19:59
zarofungi: i believe google is targeting march for 2.9 release?19:59
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SergeyLukjanovdue to the first message in https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/repo-discuss/rAmliEzSsko master will delete old change screen code20:00
fungiokay, we're over time20:00
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fungineed to get the tc meeting going20:00
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fungithanks everybody!20:00
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ttxAnyone here for the TC meeting ?20:01
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* fungi is trying to pay attention at jeblair's request, since he's flying20:02
wenlockhi here, trying to get familliar with more folks on config20:02
ttxannegentle, mikal, jgriffith, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, lifeless, sdague : around ?20:02
ttxvishy and markmcclain there20:02
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ttxmore than enough, let's start20:02
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ttx#startmeeting tc20:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan 14 20:02:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:02
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:02
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ttxOur agenda for today:20:02
ttx#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee20:02
ttx#topic Paris Design Summit Scheduling20:03
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ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2014-January/000475.html20:03
ttxIn summary: Tue-Fri or Wed-Sat20:03
ttxlsell needs to get back to the hotel today, so last comments and thoughts welcome20:03
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ttxFelt like there was growing consensus on the ML about trying out the Wed-Sat option20:03
ttxWith the possibility of trying a more relaxed format on the last day20:03
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mordredI could be swayed either way - but I like the idea of trying a new thing20:03
mordredI'll be there all of those days anyway20:03
annegentleshe's lsell on IRC? :)20:04
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dhellmannit's going to be a long week, but otoh it's going to be a long week in paris, so...20:04
mordredlsell: o hai20:04
annegentleI like the idea of trying a new thing, but I am doubtful is all20:04
lsellhi there20:04
mordredannegentle: there's wine there20:04
markmcdoes relaxed mean "includes wine"?20:04
annegentlemordred: makes me even more doubtful companies will send their writers :)20:04
dhellmannmarkmc: excellent idea20:04
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ttxyeah, I see drawbacks and benefits in both options, no strong opinion, so I'm ok to defer to those who expressed preference for wed-sat20:05
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annegentlettx: I'm also okay with that, in the spirit of experimenting20:05
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russellbwed-sat is less overlap with the conf too, which i really like..20:05
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russellbthat has been my biggest scheduling complaint20:06
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markmcclain1same here.. I'm really interested to try this format20:06
russellbso, only 1 day of overlap sounds awesome20:06
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ttxwith only 3 conference days and us overlapping only with one, we can be present, yes20:06
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jbrycewe're going to expect some awesome technical presentations now though!20:06
ttxlsell: do you need more opinion ? sparkycollier also said he would prefer wed-sat20:07
markmcouch, the catch20:07
russellbthat's fair20:07
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mordredjbryce: I'll present all of the things20:07
ttxjbryce: if only the pissing contest^W^Wcommunity vote would pick them20:07
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markmcsome panels of ATCs would be good20:07
lsellthis is great, it's all i needed20:07
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mordredjbryce: give me a full day in my own room and 12 bottles of wine and I'll make you amazing presentations on things20:07
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* russellb would attend20:08
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ttxI can do a wine tasting session20:08
russellbassuming you're sharing the wine.20:08
sparkycollieronly 12?20:08
markmce.g. a "what's up with Neutron?"  panel20:08
mordredrussellb: byob - the 12 are just for me20:08
markmcclain1markmc: +120:08
lifelessI'm so conflicted on the scheduling question20:08
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russellblifeless: that's not allowed20:08
jbrycettx: i would say we're open to exercising some editorial oversight to create some dedicated ATC tech presentation time20:08
lsellyou guys better be careful, or we're going to send you to a dry county in east texas next time!20:09
lifelesslsell: definitely BYO territory then20:09
mordredlsell: I will bring my own Tito's to that countt20:09
jbrycelsell: is that dig aimed at my ranch?20:09
sparkycollier+1 for Tito's20:09
mordredjbryce: your ranch20:09
mordredjbryce: is in20:09
mordredjbryce: a DRY county???20:09
annegentlelsell: LOL20:09
russellbwe're having a meetup at your ranch?20:09
* mordred o_O20:10
annegentlejbryce: kittehs!!20:10
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ttxwe could have a design summit there, once they are separated from conference :)20:10
jbrycemordred: it is. but i'm well provisioned20:10
mordredjbryce: ok. that's a relief20:10
ttxok, folks focus20:10
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jbrycemordred: alcohol and firearms20:10
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ttxlifeless: unless you can express your conflict with words, we can move on20:10
russellbsounds right for a ranch20:10
annegentlettx: how much other input have we gotten so far? (lsell and jbryce too)20:10
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ttxannegentle: we have the feedback from last summit (in that planning session)20:11
annegentlettx: oh right20:11
ttxlsell: did you get anything useful from the survey on that front ?20:11
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dhellmannannegentle: so you're worried about getting travel budget for the doc team?20:12
annegentlettx: lsell: also what's the communication plan for the change? (thinking to frame it with " you asked for it you got it "20:12
annegentledhellmann: always. There were only about 4 docs core members in HK20:12
ttxannegentle: will depend on how we organize the last day20:12
lsellwe didn't have anything specific in the survey about staggering by one or two days. the most broad feedback we've gotten was from the design summit session20:12
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dhellmannannegentle: we should get more of them to request financial aid this time around20:12
ttxannegentle: more cross-project ? more workshopy ? more unconference-style ?20:12
ttxannegentle: or business as usual20:13
annegentledhellmann: agreed. Oddly many docs members are in APAC already20:13
dhellmannannegentle: not a perfect solution, but that's why it's there20:13
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ttxlsell: is the move to 3-day conference a permanent one ?20:13
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ttx(compared to 4 days in HK/Atlanta/etc20:13
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lselldefinitely not permanent20:14
lsellbut again a trial, and the first summit in europe20:14
ttxanything else on that before we move on ?20:14
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ttx#topic Mid-cycle incubation status review: Ironic20:15
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lsellthank you for the feedback, we're going to move forward with weds - sat at the le meridien20:15
ttxThe idea here is to check the current state of the project w/ the graduation requirements20:15
markmclsell, thanks!20:15
ttx#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/incubation-integration-requirements#n5620:15
ttxdevananda: I think you have an etherpad handy20:16
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devananda#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicGraduationDiscussion20:16
devanandaI copied the reference above and added some notes yesterday20:16
markmcdevananda, how confident are you it'll be a working replacement for nova-bm by release?20:17
markmc(nice work btw, it's definitely coming along nicely in the past few months)20:17
devanandamarkmc: I'm not goign to say that I'm 100% confident until we have actually done that within tripleo20:18
mordredI'm super exicted about the progress, not only technically, but on dev community20:18
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russellbmy impression is that in general, things are all headed in the right direction20:18
devanandamarkmc: I'm fairly and reasonably confident. all the moving bits have come together,a nd we're getting bugs ironed out in the deploy process now()20:18
russellband it's just the big question of, is it ready to deprecate nova-bm in time20:19
ttxdevananda: As far as release management goes, we still haven't done any coordinated milestone20:19
dhellmannmordred: +120:19
ttxwe need to do taht for i220:19
mordredrussellb: +120:19
ttx(even if the resulting tarball is not really usable)20:19
devanandarussellb: exactly20:19
devanandarussellb: there are moer things to that than just "does it work", too20:19
devanandattx: great. let's do that for I2?20:19
markmcok, risk mitigation question - say we graduate ironic now and it's not a viable replacement in time for icehouse?20:20
ttxdevananda: ack20:20
dhellmannrussellb, devananda : do you see being in complete parity with nova-bm a pre-req for graduation?20:20
ttxdevananda: how usable will the i2 milestone be ?20:20
ttxi.e. will it be more than a process-exercise ?20:20
devanandattx: current code can control the power state, but deploy isn't quite working yet20:20
markmcdo we include it in icehouse anyway? (temporarily) de-graduate ironic? say it's still graduated, but not included in the release?20:20
annegentledevananda: also how documented are you currently and do you have a doc plan (You might and I may have missed it...20:20
dhellmannmarkmc: we aren't deciding on graduation now, right? we only do that at release boundaries, don't we?20:20
markmcah, right20:20
ttxmarkmc: it's not graduated in icehouse20:20
russellbI'd like to see parity, yes20:20
devanandattx: and the nova "ironic" driver is still fairly early. most of the code is there, but not unit tests, and it hasn't been reviewed by Nova team yet20:21
markmcmy bad20:21
dhellmannyeah, this is just a checkup to avoid surprises later20:21
jgriffithdevananda: did you say "power state works" "deploy doesn't" ?20:21
devanandattx: as a stand-alone project, it's not quite that useful in I2, mostly because we're still tying all the deploy bits together20:21
devanandajgriffith: at the moment, yes. see ^20:21
ttxmarkmc: I still want it to be usable as a nova-bm replacement before graduating20:21
dhellmannrussellb: ok, so if parity isn't reached before the icehouse release, we would not graduate ironic (or you'd prefer that we not) and revisit it during juno?20:21
markmcttx, agree20:21
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mordreddhellmann: weren't we considering ironic for a fast-tract graduation because of the nova-bm deprecation question?20:21
jgriffithdevananda: yeah.. caught it as typing :)  thanks20:22
ttxdhellmann: yes20:22
markmcttx, other than that, looks very much on track20:22
jgriffithI think graduation is irrelevant at the moment20:22
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russellbdhellmann: yes, i'd like to see parity before it graduates20:22
devanandaannegentle: API is doc'd. we have a CLI with --help. there are some dev docs. but no deployer docs today20:22
dhellmannrussellb: ok, I sort of like that20:22
jgriffithseems like everythings on track and going the right way, but if it's not ready it's not ready20:22
markmcjgriffith, I guess mid-cycle review is "what you still need to do to graduate" feedback20:22
russellbi guess we could graduate but not deprecate nova-bm yet, but that seems silly20:22
jgriffithmarkmc: yeah... like "deploy"20:22
devanandadhellmann: I'm aiming for complete parity. and I think we can achieve that.20:23
ttxSo... "Project must be part of the integrated gate"20:23
jgriffithseems like a simple discussion to me20:23
annegentledevananda: and do you expect mostly your audience is deployers?20:23
dhellmanndevananda: cool20:23
ttxdevananda: you answer "AFAIK, this is not allowed until *after* graduation"20:23
annegentledevananda: or is there another person you'd target for docs20:23
devanandaannegentle: yes. we need to explicitly say "DO NOT use this for baremetal-as-a-service" and "DO NOT expose ironic to end-users"20:23
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devanandaannegentle: for now (and the forseeable future), the users of ironic are folks who already have DC-level access. deployers, basically20:24
ttxI think tere is some misunderstanding around "Project must be part of the integrated gate"20:24
annegentledevananda: got it, thanks, very helpful.20:24
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fungii think there has been some confusion between what it means to gate on the official projects (asymetrically, risking being broken by them at any time) and having the official projects gate on not-yet-graduated projects20:24
devanandaannegentle: security concerns around putting untrusted tenants on bare metal are, wel.... it's just a terrible idea :)20:24
mordredfungi: ++20:25
fungigetting the gating requirement clarified in the questionnaire would be great20:25
lifelessdevananda: it's a brilliant *idea*. As long as it stays an idea.20:25
devanandafungi: ++20:25
ttxI think the idea is to be ready to be part of the gate at the flip of a switch20:25
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markmcdevananda, unless you're in the business of giving trusted users baremetal machines anyway - an API for that is still useful to some people20:25
mordredmarkmc: ++20:25
devanandalifeless: heh. sure - if not for the current security issue, it would be a good idea :)20:25
fungithat's been my interpretation so far, just making sure it's teh party line20:25
mordredI think that 'end-users' aren't always as untrusted as they are for public clouds20:26
ttxfungi: I think that's what sean means20:26
dhellmannso, what does "flip of the switch" mean? tempest tests?20:26
devanandamarkmc: fair. but those users will stil use Nova to get them.20:26
dhellmann(living somewhere other than in tempest, I guess?)20:26
markmcdevananda, yep20:26
mordredfor private clouds, it may be fine. also, there are clearly people who offer bare metal hosting currently- and the same security concerns exist there20:26
ttxdhellmann: potentially, non-voting jobs20:26
russellbgate job running for ironic, but ready to be enabled for everyone when ready?20:26
mordreddevananda: yup20:26
ttxthat's why I want clarification here20:26
dhellmannttx: makes sense20:26
devanandamarkmc: so as far as who uses Ironic's API, i dont see those trusted end-users as our audience20:26
russellbor non-voting i suppose20:26
mordreddevananda: yah20:27
fungidhellmann: project has tempest tests et cetera in its own gate pipeline and potentially in other projects experimental pipeline or as non-voting check jobs20:27
ttxbut sdague is not here today20:27
russellbwill tempest accept tests for an incubated project?20:27
lifelessI believe so20:27
ttx#action sdague to clarify "Project must be part of the integrated gate" as a graduation requirement20:27
dhellmannrussellb: no, we've established that before20:27
SergeyLukjanovrussellb, it already accepts20:27
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devanandafungi: i understand a bit better the way to set up asymmetric / it-votes-here-but-not-there jobs now. clarkb and I sat down at LCA and added that for our tempest API tests20:27
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* dhellmann is confused20:27
lifelessdhellmann: I remember it differently...20:27
* mordred had an idea of how to do tempest tests as plugins the other day, btw20:28
russellbdhellmann: well i knew they wouldn't accept pre-incubated project tests (stackforge stuff)20:28
* mordred should code that up20:28
lifelessdhellmann: I remember that not incubated - no way; incubated - yes, because integrated implies the tests exist .20:28
dhellmannaha, maybe that's what I'm confusing20:28
devanandarussellb: we have tests in tempest already20:28
russellbah, coo20:28
devanandarussellb: they're experimental20:28
lifelessmordred: the issue with tempest and external tests isn't technical.20:28
SergeyLukjanovrussellb, the same with savanna20:28
devanandarussellb: and a patch is up to put them in the check&gate as non-voting20:28
lifelessmordred: so I think you should check with sdague before doing that, as you may just make him a sad panda20:28
lifelessmordred: the issue is that tempest doesn't want to offer an externally consumed API20:29
russellbi think some sort of plugin support, or just a tempest public API for writing out of tree tests is sorely needed20:29
devanandarussellb: also, fwiw, it's API integration tests. to be clear, we don't have functional tests YET but are working on it. shouldn't be long before a review is up20:29
mordredlifeless: I wasn't expecting it to20:29
mordredbut yes to russellb20:29
lifelessmordred: that would be the defacto consequence of any out-of-tree tests built on top of tempest though20:29
lifelessFWIW I'm also in favor of tempest offering an externally consumed API20:30
lifelessjust proxying my recollection of sdague's concerns20:30
mordredlifeless: let me write a patch and show you what I'm thinking - I may be letting myself get hung up on the word API here20:30
fungimordred: lifeless: in fact we had the same issue arise for devstack-gate hooks (and broke some of them through a refactor because we got rid of variables some of them had decided to use)20:30
lifelessmordred: sure20:30
ttxOK, so in summary: looks good so far, main blocker is feature parity with nova-bm, need to clarify the "Project must be part of the integrated gate" requirement20:30
ttxanything I missed ?20:30
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devanandaquestion for annegentle - what do you think we'll need doc-wise?20:31
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ttx#info ironic incubation looks good so far. Main blcoker to graduation is feature parity with nova-bm. Clarification requested on the integrated gate requirement20:31
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mikalMorning, sorry slept in (jet lag)20:32
annegentledevananda: thinking... I think API docs are a requirement for getting out of incubation, but not necessarily deployer docs yet20:32
devanandaannegentle: great! we have those, and they're autobuilt20:33
devananda#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/webapi/v1.html20:33
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annegentledevananda: and I'm trying to see the fit into the rest of the doc titles we have today, and install and config docs are where you'd fit in.20:33
ttxCan we move on to Marconi or Savanna ? Anything else on Ironic ?20:33
annegentlesure, I'm good20:33
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devanandaall set here. I'll follow up with annegentle later20:33
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ttxI don't see kgriffs around, shall we do savanna first20:35
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ttx#topic Mid-cycle incubation status review: Savanna20:35
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SergeyLukjanovhi all20:35
ttxSergeyLukjanov: do you have a fancy etherpad too ?20:35
SergeyLukjanovI've missed the idea of making the etherpad like devananda make, but I've prepared some right now20:35
SergeyLukjanov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-graduation-status20:36
SergeyLukjanovthe main questions was Heat usage instead of direct provisioning and clustering20:36
markmcSergeyLukjanov, kinda simple question sorry - is Heat based provisioning the default now?20:36
SergeyLukjanovwe've already implemented support of using Heat for orchestration20:36
SergeyLukjanovit's not default atm, we're working on fixing some bugs and implementing minor features20:37
markmcyou're planning on it being the default in icehouse, though?20:37
SergeyLukjanovwe're planning to deprecate current code later in Icehouse or early J release20:37
SergeyLukjanovsure, thanks for catching20:37
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ttxAs far as release management goes, we did icehouse-1 in coordination already20:38
ttxThere is still a bit of uncertainty on the deliverables side20:38
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SergeyLukjanovbtw as for the clustering topic, it was discussed on summit and we decided that there is nothing to do atm20:38
ttxi.e. savanna-extras etc. as part of "savanna release" or not20:38
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SergeyLukjanovttx, it's a good question, we're still working with Hadoop folks in moving out Hadoop releated code20:39
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SergeyLukjanovand we currently have some EDP examples in it20:39
SergeyLukjanovso, I still thinking about soft releases for this repo20:40
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SergeyLukjanovfor the i1 I've tagged this with i1 just to be consistent and help users find corresponding things20:40
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ttxwe'll revisit as we go20:41
ttx"large and diverse team of contributors"20:41
ttxthat's 26 contributors so far20:41
SergeyLukjanovwe have a lot of new contributors since the incubation status20:41
SergeyLukjanovand as you can see in mailing list one more upcoming plugin for Spark support20:42
ttxThat 65% figure is a bit worrying to me20:43
ttxI don't see a significant community uptake after incubation20:43
SergeyLukjanovttx, there are about 20 commits from me about hacking setup.py/tox I think20:43
SergeyLukjanovttx, and commit not always shows the real efforts20:43
markmcttx, the pie chart by contributor is fairly reassuring though20:44
ttxright, maybe i'm the only one worried here :)20:44
mordredSergeyLukjanov: ++ on "commit not always shows the real efforts"20:45
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dhellmannttx: the curve does drop off pretty steeply after the first few companies20:45
jgriffithttx: seems like a valid point, but explanation by SergeyLukjanov makes sense as well20:45
* mordred looks at his status on top of the commit lists for openstack last cycle, and wonders what real work he did20:45
russellbindeed, top 2 people are separate companies on the individuals one20:45
ttxbeyong numbers, my point is I haven't seen a lot of companies dive in Savanna tha way they jumped on Heat or Ironic20:46
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ttxIs that lack of interest ?20:46
dhellmannis that because it's more of a niche service?20:46
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ttxdhellmann: probably20:46
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ttxjust wondering how (and if) we should fix that20:47
SergeyLukjanovI've agreed with dhellmann20:47
lifelessmordred: you wrote bots that did commits20:47
dhellmannin that case, it might always be smaller -- right20:47
mordredlifeless: if only that was the case20:47
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* mordred agrees with dhellmann20:48
SergeyLukjanovthere are some customers and interested but currently not public yet20:48
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ttxanyway, part from that, Savanna has been the most engaged incubated project as far as release management goes20:48
ttxand I heard similar reports from other horizontal teams20:48
dhellmannSergeyLukjanov: the main concern about contributors is dealing with maintaining the project if some of the current members leave the team for some reason, not whether customers are interested in using it.20:49
ttxso great job here20:49
ttxany other comment ?20:49
annegentlenone here20:49
SergeyLukjanovdhellmann, I think that it's not depend on at least one person now20:50
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ttx#info Savanna is in good shape too, some concerns about lack of diversity in contributors but might be a reflection of a niche project20:50
dhellmannSergeyLukjanov: good! :-)20:50
SergeyLukjanovdhellmann, it's now much more better that 3 month ago ;)20:50
SergeyLukjanovbtw, I'll complete the etherpad with comments and send it to mailing list20:51
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ttxSergeyLukjanov: that will be useful, thx20:51
SergeyLukjanovand I'd like to join concerns about being part of integrated gate20:52
SergeyLukjanovit sounds like chicken/egg problem20:52
ttxSergeyLukjanov: we'll get that clarified20:52
ttxsdague had a pretty precise idea here and I don't want to wrongly express it20:52
ttxAt this point in meeting let's cover the minor changes real quick and see how much time we have left20:52
ttx#topic Minor governance changes20:53
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ttxProgram/project mapping (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65096) is almost there20:53
SergeyLukjanovttx, thx!20:53
ttxTwo open questions about this one20:53
ttxShould openstack/requirements be in RekMgt, Infra or a true orphan (like openstack/governance)20:53
markmcttx, did we miss Marconi ?20:53
ttxmarkmc: no, but likely will cover next week20:53
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markmcttx, ok, thanks20:54
ttxI think it makes sense to put it in the same box as openstack/governance (the TC box)20:54
annegentlettx: one question I had from talking to people is... let me remember...20:54
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ttxDoes that work for everyone ?20:54
jgriffithttx: makes sense to me20:54
dhellmannttx: by "the same box" do you mean call it an orphan?20:54
annegentleah. Ok. Remembered. When you are ready.20:54
ttxdhellmann: yes20:55
dhellmannttx: ok, wfm20:55
ttxSecond question was should tuskar-ui move from TripleO to Dashboard program20:55
ttxIMHO it should not -- as long as it's separate from Horizon it should stay in its parent program, no ?20:55
dhellmannare they planning to merge it into horizon at some point later? when they're integrated?20:55
ttxdhellmann: I guess yes20:55
dhellmannor is the horizon team supporting add-ons explicitly?20:56
ttxI think it boils down to which team works on it20:56
ttxis it tuskar/tripleO folks, or horizon team20:56
dhellmannyeah, it seems like it should stay with tripleo for now20:56
david-lylettx: there has been discussion to move it into the dashboard program because the code design/review doesn't align very well with tripleo20:56
ttxlifeless: ?20:56
david-lylelifeless and I have been working in that direction20:56
dhellmanndavid-lyle: is the horizon team willing to own it?20:56
ttxyes, that's the key question20:57
david-lyleyes, but it will remain a separate repo until out of incubation20:57
dhellmannbasically, either seems fine, but we can't just dump it on them :-)20:57
markmcttx, it's been a fairly specialized team within tripleo who have more overlap with the horizon team20:57
markmcttx, that's my read, at least20:57
ttxI mean, if both tripleo and horizon agree on that, I'm fine20:57
dhellmannttx: ++20:57
ttxjust checking with lifeless it's fine by him20:57
ttxOK, will push a new change that moves openstack/requirements out of RelMgt and tuskar-ui in "Dashboard"20:57
ttxGovernance docs publication (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61380/)20:58
markmclifeless was pushing for this AFAICS20:58
ttxThis one just needs one more +1 to get in20:58
ttxDo not require team diversity at incubation time (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65471/)20:58
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ttxThis one just needs one more +1 to get in20:58
ttxMention scope expansion in incubation requirements (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62612/)20:58
ttxThis one we buried at last week meeting but it was raised from the dead by markmc20:58
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ttxmarkmc: I suspect you think it's still warranted ?20:58
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ttxmarkmc: did you read last week log about it ?20:59
markmcsorry, missed last weeks meeting20:59
markmcI just saw it got auto-abandoned, so fixed up the comments20:59
lifelessttx: sorry yes20:59
lifelessttx: as david-lyle says20:59
ttxlifeless: will make it happen20:59
markmcttx, I can go back and read the logs20:59
ttxmarkmc: ok, happy to discuss it if you still want to revive it after that20:59
lifelessttx: oh, thanks!20:59
ttxnext week20:59
lifelessI have to run, sorry20:59
ttx#topic Open discussion21:00
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ttxlast minute - Anything else, anyone ?21:00
lifelessI won't be here for the next meeting21:00
ttxwe'll cover Marconi Mid-cycle incubation status review and 3rd party testing next week21:00
mikalDid we decide what we're doing about third party CI?21:00
ttxnot enough time21:00
mikalNoting that Neutron has a deadline for third party CI near there21:00
mikalWhich is why is blowing up at the moment21:00
mikals/is/it is/21:01
ttxI'm sure we can negociate around that21:01
* mordred just assumes mikal will solve it21:01
anteayamikal is trying21:01
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mikalanteaya has been doing a good job, but its been pretty painful for he21:01
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ttxdhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, jd__, markwash, jgriffith, russellb, stevebaker, david-lyle, markmcclain, hub_cap: around ?21:02
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ttxoH. power strips21:02
ttx#startmeeting project21:02
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ttx#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting21:02
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ttx#topic Icehouse-2 / 1.12.0 progress21:03
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ttxWe've been looking at progress during the 1:1s21:03
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ttxMost projects are behind and need to defer a lot of things21:03
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ttxAt first glance I'd say some combination of holidays + slow gating affected our velocity21:03
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ttxWe'll definitely need to go through some analysis and then reality checks as we plan the i-3 contents21:03
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ttxAnyway, this week if you're aware of some i2-targeted blueprint that won't make it, just defer it21:04
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ttxThat will help convey the right information to people who consume that roadmap information21:04
stevebakerttx: can you confirm the i-2 dates?21:04
ttxAnd also let you focus review resources on stuff that's likely to make it21:04
ttxstevebaker: sure. We'll cut branches by EOD on Tuesday21:04
ttxI'll be in UT by then21:04
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ttxso EOD migth actually mean EOD in mountain time21:05
russellbski trip?21:05
ttxfoundation team thing21:05
ttxstevebaker, hub_cap: got enough time to clean up your i-2 pages ?21:05
stevebakerttx: making good progress21:06
hub_capttx i did a bit of cleaning w/o asking people :)21:06
* ttx checks out21:06
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ttxhub_cap: looks good21:06
ttxstevebaker: wash, rinse, repeat :)21:06
stevebakeryup :)21:07
ttxOther questions about upcoming milestone ?21:07
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devanandattx: none here. I'll bump a few BP this week21:07
ttx#topic Log config option (dhellmann)21:08
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ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024205.html21:08
ttxdhellmann: care to introduce the topic ?21:08
dolphml7 ulop;[']21:08
dhellmannlog translations are coming back, and this ML thread is about a config option to turn on a second log using a non-default locale21:08
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dhellmannI would prefer that we not add this option, because I think it's not going to be used much.21:08
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dhellmannBefore I just veto it, I wanted to see if any other projects were expecting to have this feature easily enabled, vs. using the logging.conf setup file21:09
stevebakerWe've started getting reviews which have _(...) log messages. I'd like to know if there is a policy on i18n logging21:09
dhellmann_() is fine for now21:09
dhellmannwe are going to be landing patches to support different domains for different log levels21:10
dhellmannthe translators asked for that, and we may just make i221:10
markmcIMO, we shouldn't be translating log messages until we can put them in a separate translation domain21:10
markmcand logs in multiple languages seems a bit bong21:10
jgriffithmarkmc: +121:10
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markmcdhellmann, cool on different domains21:11
markmcdhellmann, hadn't seen that21:11
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65518/21:11
dolphmmost of keystone's log messages go through _()21:11
dhellmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65519/21:11
devanandaall of ironic's go through _(), fwiw. we rejected a patch from oslo a few weeks ago because it didn't21:11
ttxdhellmann: sounds liek corner use case to me, if possible through logging.conf that sounds like good enough21:11
dhellmanndolphm: _() will be reserved for exceptions and other non-log content in the future, with _LE, _LD, etc. used for log messages21:11
markmcok, so _LD(), _LI() etc. instead of just _L()21:11
dhellmannmarkmc: yeah21:12
dhellmannI still need to make the changes in -infra to extract the catalogs separately21:12
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dhellmannbut I need a project with the things intact to test that, so chicken-and-egg meet CI21:12
dhellmannok, I'm not hearing any support for this new option, so I'll just nix it and propose the sample config file21:13
dolphmmarkmc: dhellmann: is there some doc / wiki i can refer to on best practices there?21:13
dhellmanndolphm: still on my todo list21:13
dhellmannI'll be making an announcement on the ML when it's ready to be used21:13
dolphmdhellmann: cool21:13
dhellmannI'm ready to move on unless anyone has anything else on this21:14
* jd__ votes for logging.conf21:14
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ttx#topic Oslo update improvements (dhellmann)21:15
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ttxdhellmann: damn, you again21:15
ttx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024176.html21:15
dhellmannyes, I've gone months without raising any issues at all :-)21:15
dhellmannthis one is about making update.py really smart, or just getting on with the business of making libraries21:15
hub_capttx heh21:15
dhellmannbasically, figuring out the right hash starting point for an update.py that knows how to provide nice detailed log messages is super hard, and I'd just rather do the work to make libs21:16
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dhellmannBUT that means we need everyone to be patient with merges coming from oslo having maybe not the level of detail they would like for a little while longer21:16
dhellmannwhat sort of compromise can we strike?21:16
russellbwhat requires merges without detail?21:16
ttxdhellmann: Do you think there will be less and less things in oslo-incubator ? Or more and more ?21:17
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dhellmannrussellb: well, we may not have every hash of every commit listed in the message as it goes into nova, for example21:17
dhellmannttx: I would like to reduce its size, and keep it small21:17
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jd__git submodule anyone ? :)21:17
ttxare we getting better at not copying code around ?21:17
ttxjd__: out21:18
* jd__ had to try21:18
dhellmannttx: I get lots of queries about adding things to the incubator, but I'm not watching what goes on between projects behind closed doors, as it were21:18
ttxdhellmann: there is some value in improving update.py if it will be around forever21:18
jd__I think having the top commit is enough, doing more is going to be a waste of time21:18
markmcdhellmann, I still think adding the git has of the incubator commit to each file doesn't seem too hard21:18
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markmcdhellmann, but I haven't hacked it up either :)21:19
ttxbut then I haven't felt that much pain with the current update.py either21:19
dhellmannmarkmc: updating the hash is not hard, it's figuring out the initial value21:19
dhellmannmarkmc: and dealing with merges that only copy some of the modules, essentially skipping commits21:19
markmcdhellmann, that's why I say each file - not openstack-common.conf21:19
russellbjust knowing what we're updating to seems valuable?  "update the following modules to commit foo"21:19
dhellmannthis may actually be an argument for mordred's idea of splitting the incubator up21:19
* mordred reads21:20
dhellmannrussellb: that part we could probably do21:20
dhellmannmarkmc: yeah, come back with code :-)21:20
markmcdhellmann, fair :)21:20
* mordred supports21:20
dhellmannmarkmc: we should discuss details offline21:20
markmcdhellmann, I'm pretty easy, honestly - if we did syncs more regularly then syncing everything wouldn't be such a big deal21:21
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dhellmannI was hoping for some level of agreement that we'd be OK with good attempts, would take merges from oslo into other projects more often to stay in sync21:21
dhellmannmarkmc: yeah, I'm worried about the "I'm syncing this one module" patches I saw when I looked at open reviews21:22
russellbi'm fine with taking merges ... i don't think a decent commit message is much to ask for either21:22
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russellbat least just list the head you're syncing to if nothing else ...21:22
dhellmannrussellb: ok, that would be easy to do and not involve any tool changes21:22
dhellmannwe can totally do that21:22
markmcdhellmann, actually, bleh - one-at-a-time syncs are pretty important when there are API changes21:23
markmcdhellmann, you want the person familiar with the API change (ideally) to port the code21:23
dhellmannmarkmc: sure21:23
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dhellmannthe problem isn't doing those copies, or doing the bulk merges, it's doing both and trying to auto-generate sensible log messages for each21:23
dhellmannor either21:24
dhellmannanyway, I think russellb's proposal is good, and if someone has ideas for better tooling we can talk about it after the meeting21:24
ttxsounds good21:24
ttxnext topic ?21:24
ttx#topic Gate stability: top targets (russellb)21:25
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russellbok, this has come up the last few meetings21:25
russellbso i figured i'd take a turn putting it on the agenda, heh21:25
russellb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/024052.html21:25
russellba few of us took a deep dive into failures last week21:25
russellbthe vast majority of failures were simply due to load put on the deployment being too high21:26
russellbso ... yeah.21:26
russellbthat email goes into a lot more detail21:26
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russellbshort term: turn down the load21:26
russellblong term: improve performance21:26
ttxfwiw the current status is more due to the outage we had during the night / europe morning that built a backlog, things were running rather smoothly before that21:26
russellband things should be *much* better21:26
russellbwe've already started landing multiple patches related to improving nova performance21:26
russellbwith more already up for review and in progress21:27
russellbthe change that's going to make the biggest impact short term is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66379/21:27
russellbchange that isn't merged yet that is21:27
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russellbthat's the wrong one ... i meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65805/21:28
russellbso anyway, just wanted to share some status on that.21:28
ttxfungi: did we get to the bottom cause on this morning's issue ? Some cloud provider fail ?21:28
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ttxthose cloud things can't be relied on21:28
fungittx: bug 126900121:28
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1269001 in nodepool "Nodepool stops building any new nodes when one provider is down" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126900121:28
markmcrussellb, very nicely done21:28
ttxrussellb: yep, that really made a difference already21:29
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russellbmarkmc: thanks21:29
fungittx: it was unexpected outcome from the tripleo pioc cloud going down to be replaced by the production cloud21:29
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ttxwe should have some "I saved the gate" T-shirts to send to people21:29
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markmcfungi, wow, fun :)21:30
fungittx: i want an "i broke the gate" tee shirt21:30
russellbwe'd have to print a whole lot of "i broke the gate" shirts21:31
fungibulk discount21:31
ttxsend them to some of our upstreams to, as a community relation exercise21:31
hub_capi vote gate assassin21:31
dolphmhow about "i fought the gate, and the gate won"21:31
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ttxok, I think all that means, next topic21:32
* dhellmann is sensing a theme building for the summit t-shirt for juno21:32
russellbRIP Jeckyll21:32
ttx<<Would you like a "I broke the gate" "I fought the gate" or "I fixed the gate" T-shirt ?>>21:32
ttx#topic Red Flag District / Blocked blueprints21:32
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* markmcclain2 still wants to actually find/drive through juno, ga21:33
ttxI want a "Jekyll was murdered" T-shirt21:33
ttxWe have two blocked blueprints to discuss21:33
ttxblocked on keystone review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66447/21:33
ttxstevebaker, dolphm ?21:33
stevebakerthe review has only just been posted, so blocked may be overstating it21:34
ttxlet's say.. attention needed21:34
dolphmon the keystone side, there's a sequence of three patches that was just proposed yesterday -- skimming through the commit messages, i don't expect them to take too long to land21:34
ttxdolphm: ok, just prio them up as they are blocking more than just you :)21:35
ttxblocked on oslo reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/i18n-messages,n,z21:35
ttxdhellmann, dolphm ?21:35
dolphmi don't think we're blocked anymore!21:35
ttxone of those having a -221:35
ttxdolphm: damn21:35
dolphmthere's an outstanding patch on the oslo bp, but it doesn't look critical to keystone, so i think we can proceed21:35
dhellmannthe -2 is the config option we just discussed21:35
ttxcool, plenty of time to discuss incubated projects i-221:36
dhellmannand the other item shouldn't be a blocker downstream except when that one locale is used21:36
ttxdolphm: awesome21:36
ttxdhellmann: sorry about that21:36
ttxAny other blocked work that this meeting could help unblock ?21:36
dhellmannttx: np, dolphm and I discussed it earlier21:36
dolphmdhellmann: i should have mentioned it to ttx ahead of this meeting :-/21:37
ttxI guess everything is smooth and on track then21:37
ttx#topic Incubated projects21:37
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ttxyay, plenty of time to look after our incubated friends21:38
ttxSergeyLukjanov, devananda: still around ?21:38
ttxkgriffs: what about you21:38
SergeyLukjanovyup, I'm here21:38
flaper87o/ for marconi (in cases kgriffs doesn't show up)21:39
ttxSergeyLukjanov: 4 open blueprints, looks like you can complete them in time for i221:39
ttxSergeyLukjanov: the bug list could use some more assignees21:40
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SergeyLukjanovttx, everything looks ok IMO, I'm going to release new version of client that block one of them21:40
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SergeyLukjanovttx, yup, bug list looks kind overloaded atm21:40
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ttxSergeyLukjanov: just refine it as you get closer to the milestone21:40
ttxonly adding bugs with some assignee is generally a good idea21:40
SergeyLukjanovttx, I'm planning to make bug fix day to make a cleanup of confirmed/triaged bugs21:41
ttxotherwise looks good21:41
ttxok, quick look at Marconi21:41
SergeyLukjanovttx, most of the open bugs are <= medium21:41
ttxkgriffs, flaper87: we didn't have time to discuss incubation status at the TC meeting, so it will be next week21:41
flaper87ttx: kk21:41
ttx(was the hour before)21:42
ttxplan looks good and in good shape21:42
ttxare we still planning to publish a tarball for i-2 ?21:42
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kgriffsso, mostly we have bugs to finish up over the next 7 days21:42
ttxok. So the branch is generally cut at the end of the Tuesday21:42
ttxthen you can still ahve a few bugfixes in21:43
ttx(proposed as backports)21:43
kgriffsmakes sense21:43
ttxbut most things should be baked by Tuesday evening21:43
flaper87cool, sounds good21:43
ttxbackports are generally for show stoppers you detect in the proposed build21:43
ttxyour page looks good, congrats21:44
ttxNobodyCam: around?21:44
flaper87ttx: thanks21:44
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NobodyCamdevananda: should also21:44
devanandattx: yep, here21:44
ttxdevananda: oh hi21:44
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ttxlooks in good shape too21:45
ttxyou might want to assign someone to bug 119507321:45
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1195073 in nova "pxe deploy timeout defaults to unset" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119507321:45
ttxif you want it fixed by next week21:45
devanandawill do21:45
devanandawe have a lot of bug fixes in flight at the moment21:45
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devanandatrying to iron out issues with deploy()21:45
devanandai may fast-track them to try to get things working this week21:46
ttxok, looks like you're all in good shape21:46
devanandaand then add unit tests / cleanup just after that21:46
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ttxany question on the milestone publication process ?21:46
ttxor on anything else ?21:46
NobodyCamnot from /me.21:46
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devanandanope. I'll be back in the states this week and around to do all the things for milestone next week21:47
ttxok then21:47
ttx#topic Open discussion21:47
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ttxAnything else, anyone ?21:47
ttxOr can we all have 12 minutes of our lives back21:48
SergeyLukjanovnothing from my side21:48
russellbyay OpenStack21:48
ttxalrighty then21:49
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Jan 14 21:49:04 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:49
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ttxthanks everyone21:49
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david-lyle#startmeeting Horizon22:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Jan 14 22:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'22:01
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mrungehey everybody *\o/*22:01
lblanchardhi all22:01
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david-lylesparklers :)22:01
akrivokahi everyone22:01
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david-lyleWanted to start today by reminding everyone that i-2 closes in 1 week22:02
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david-lyleanything not up for review today, I'm going to bump to i-322:03
david-lylewhich makes i-3 overly full22:03
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mrungeI bet, we'll drop some of that and move it to 'j'22:04
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david-lyleIf you are slated for something in i-3 that you know you're not going to be able to work on, please tell me or move it out of i-3 to future or next22:04
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david-lylei-3 close on march 6, so time to be realistic22:04
lsmoladavid-lyle, you can put thi to i3, I stll need that one bug to be fixed https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer-alarm-api22:04
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david-lylelsmola: done22:05
lsmoladavid-lyle, excellent22:05
david-lyleso the ones that need review let's make sure we cover22:06
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david-lyleAs far as the bps assigned to me, ux and 1.6 should be ready very early i-322:06
david-lylebut both will slip22:06
david-lyleI did release django_openstack_auth 1.1.4 but now we have to do the requirements dance22:07
mrungeyeah, thanks for the release22:07
mrungeI guess we should shift that to i-322:07
david-lyleyes, I'll do it after the meeting22:07
mrungethe gate is in a miserable state22:08
david-lyleToshi: how is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/create-router-by-workflow coming?22:08
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mrungeand we shouldn't add our stuff to that as well22:08
david-lylemrunge: true although it should be in a lot better state now22:08
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david-lyleand we shouldn't propose something that could cause problems in the last week22:08
mrungeyes, agreed. anyway, I moved it to i-322:09
mrungejust to be safe22:09
david-lyleany other concerns about things slated for i-2?22:09
ToshiI'm sorry, I don't have much time to do it for now, I have another tasks, so I'd like to finish it within this month22:10
mrungethere are quite a few reviews still waiting for approval...22:10
david-lyleToshi: sounds good, I'll move it to i-322:10
Toshidavid-lyle: Thanks!22:11
mrungedavid-lyle, done (moving)22:11
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david-lylethere are 2-3 that had minor issues that have been abandoned, I may re-propose those to get them in22:12
david-lyleI'm checking with the owner22:12
david-lyleand yes reviews needed :_22:12
david-lyle#topic action items22:13
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david-lyleThere were a couple of items on my plate to resolve22:13
david-lyle#1 meeting time22:13
david-lyleI plan on moving the meeting to 4pm UTC, that was tied for the top vote getter22:14
david-lyleunfortunately there is not a meeting room available at that time, so I need to work with the infra team to make that possible22:14
david-lyleI will send a mail to the ML once we have a place to meet22:14
david-lyle#2 tuskar-ui22:15
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david-lyleI've been working with lifeless to make this happen, just need to change how the groups in gerrit and LP line up, so hopefully soon22:15
david-lylethanks for your patience22:16
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david-lyle#topic Open Discussion22:16
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jomara_thanks for working that out22:16
david-lylethere were no other items posted to the agenda today, so let's open it up22:17
lsmoladavid-lyle, yes, thank you22:17
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david-lyleone lingering item is the javascript toolchain22:18
* lsmola has no topic and feels sad22:18
* krotscheck perks up22:18
* jcoufal nothing here22:18
david-lyleas we know there has been a strong push for nodejs support for development reasons22:18
david-lylestoryboard is another project in the infra group that is exploring the same toolchain22:19
krotscheckregarding storyboard: Toolchain example available here -https://github.com/krotscheck/storyboard-webclient22:19
david-lylethey have the benefit of not being part of the distro, so they have a higher degree of freedom here22:19
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david-lylebut, one idea would be to pull the js and less out of horizon and into it's own package that is imported22:20
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jtomasekdavid-lyle: this is interesting22:20
mrungedavid-lyle, I like the idea22:20
krotscheckWill that satisfy the package managers?22:20
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david-lylethis new package could take advantage of the new toolchain for development and deliver minimized js and css22:21
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david-lylethus it's still delivering source, just minified22:21
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david-lylethis would also ease the split of horizon and openstack_auth22:21
mrungekrotscheck, I'd say, it depends on the code delivered22:21
MaxVif javascript is put outside, do we have to bring back a no js support?22:21
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david-lyleno, because we don't have no novaclient support22:22
david-lyleor no django_openstack_auth support22:22
david-lyleit's a dependency22:22
david-lyleThis also would unblock the bootstrap update, etc22:22
lsmoladavid-lyle, sounds reasonable22:22
MaxVone step closer to separate front-end and back-end22:22
jtomasekthumbs up22:23
jcoufalit sounds good22:23
mrungeIf I understand this right, bootstrap3 would cut off ie8, right?22:23
david-lyleif the bootstrap js is coming from the js package22:23
lsmolamrunge, really?22:23
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david-lylehmm, have to look back at that one22:23
krotscheckmrunge: I dunno, I proposed that to jeblair and he thought that for package maintainers to be happy, all dependencies need to be buildable from source.22:23
lblanchardmrunge: I think only certain widgets22:23
david-lyleso krotscheck: is grunt part of you toolchain now?22:24
mrungekrotscheck, yes. but it needs to be built from source, thus you need all requirements in the build environment22:24
jcoufalmrunge: ie8 is still supported22:24
krotscheckdavid-lyle: Yup. Grunt, Bower, Karma, Selenium22:24
mrungeselenium is a no go22:24
MaxVprotactor does not need selenium22:24
jcoufalmrunge: just few css3 features are don't (like border-radius, etc)22:24
MaxVI have a POC22:24
david-lyleright now we pull in minimized jquery, I don't see how this would be different?22:24
mrungeselenium still distributes pre-compiled binaries22:25
mrungedavid-lyle, currently, we bundle jquery22:25
mrungeI'd love to see this unbundled22:25
mrungei.e. in a separate package22:26
mrungeand the other libs unbundled as well22:26
david-lylelike the js/less horizon package ;)22:26
krotscheckmrunge: I believe that protractor uses selenium under the hood, but let me check on that....22:26
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MaxVno need to selenium22:26
MaxVI tried it22:26
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jomara_after thinking about it for a minute, this sounds promising22:26
david-lylewe use selenium now, but it is optional and would not be a delivery requirement22:27
mrungebut we replaced less by that python stuff22:27
mrungeexactly. but if you want to use it for tests...22:27
mrungejust to be sure, your package build is correct....22:27
david-lylemrunge, I understand22:27
mrungenothing we could solve right now22:28
david-lyleI wanted to bring this up as an option to move forward22:28
mrungeyes! it's a good move22:28
david-lylewe don't have to decide right now, and moving this way may need to go to the TC22:28
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mrungemaybe we'll take that to a session in atlanta?22:29
david-lylemrunge, that sounds reasonable, do we feel like the horizon/dashboard split will slip that far?22:30
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mrungedavid-lyle, I hope it won't slip so far22:30
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mrungedavid-lyle, I still hope to finish that during i-3 cycle22:30
mrungeif I can't, we should move it to j22:31
david-lyleconsider splitting the js and less out too, regardless of toolchain.  It may simplify things22:31
mrungeyes, that's a good suggestion22:31
mrungewill add that to the whiteboard22:31
david-lyleseems like krotscheck will have a node toolchain as part of the build systems should we find a way to take advantage22:33
david-lyleok, any other topics22:33
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julimjust a fyi22:33
julimthat the persona working group is meeting on friday22:33
julimand open to anyone to participate22:33
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krotscheckdavid-lyle: Well, what I had to do was manually download and compile node, because infra doesn't want to install anything that doesn't have an official package.22:35
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david-lylea mailing list for the personas work has been set up: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-personas22:35
lblanchardhere is the mail about the meeting on Friday:22:35
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julimFriday, Jan 17 2014 11:00am US/EST (8:00am US/PST or 1500 GMT): see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/persona-working-group for details also22:35
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david-lylekrotscheck: ok, that's a little more cumbersome22:36
david-lyleAny other topics today?22:37
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jomara_david-lyle: we should welcome jrist, he is lurking in this channel22:39
* jrist waves22:39
jomara_i think hes going to start trying to contribute soon!22:39
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jristno pressure22:39
david-lylewelcome jrist, if you have questions, please ask in #openstack-horizon22:39
akrivokajrist: welcome :)22:39
lsmolajrist, welcome22:40
lblanchardjrist: hiya!22:40
* tshirtman waves22:40
jristdavid-lyle, lsmola, lblanchard, akrivoka thanks22:40
julimwelcome jrist22:40
mrungeo/ jrist22:40
david-lylealways glad to see people join the community22:40
jristis that a princess wave emoticon?22:40
jomara_it is22:40
jomara_they just taught it to me last week22:40
jristelbow elbow wrist wrist22:41
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david-lyleok, that's it. Thanks everyone.  I will send an email when I can change the meeting time, so watch for that.  I will also update the meeting page.22:42
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jomara_thanks everyone!22:42
lblanchardthanks david-lyle, have a good week all!22:42
lsmolathanks everyone, have a good night22:42
jtomasekthanks all22:42
akrivokathanks and good night everyone!22:42
jcoufalthanks guys, night22:43
julimthank you22:43
tshirtmannight people :)22:43
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