Wednesday, 2014-01-15

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brucer_ping Loquacity: Hi, when is the next APAC OStack mtg? Thought from yest discussion it was postponed to today...03:13
Loquacityheya brucer_03:14
Loquacitythis week is the US meeting03:14
Loquacityit'll be tonight at midnight our time03:14
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brucer_Loquacity: aaak.03:14
Loquacitynext week is the APAC meeting, and we'll stick with tuesday for now unless we decide to change it in the meantime03:14
Loquacityno need for you to attend the US meeting03:14
brucer_Loquacity: , OK so 1pm BNE time next Tue?03:15
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Loquacitybrucer_: correct03:17
Loquacitypending last minute changes ;)03:17
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brucer_Loquacity: OK thx.03:18
Loquacityi'll try and remember to send an email on monday to remind everyone03:18
brucer_Loquacity: Ta.03:19
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NickChasesorry I'm late14:09
nerminahello all14:09
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BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 15 15:00:23 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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BobBallhah - ok - my first meeting as chair!15:00
BobBallRaise hands if you're here15:00
thouvenghello bob15:00
BobBallhowdy thouveng!15:01
BobBallDo we have a matel too?15:01
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BobBallGood good15:01
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matelI am here, sorry, was in the middle of stg.15:01
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BobBall#topic blueprints15:01
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BobBallSo - thouveng - I think that yours is the only formal blueprint under way for I-215:02
BobBallWhat's the latest?15:02
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thouvengIs the attachement if pci will be in the same BP15:02
thouvengI mean the same patchset15:02
BobBallI'd put them as separate patchsets for starters15:02
BobBallit's easier to merge them than separate them15:03
BobBalljust put them in the same code branch and when you git review it'll add them as a dependency15:03
BobBallAre you experienced with git?15:03
thouvengI played a little bit with git but not with gerrit15:03
BobBallok - all I was going to say is playing with multiple patches and git review is fun15:04
BobBallgit rebase -i is your friend :)15:04
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thouvengok thanks for the hint. I'll look the manual15:04
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BobBallI do "git rebase -i origin/master" regularly, then edit the patch I want to change, git commit -a --amend to update with the new changes and git rebase --continue to carry on with the rest of the patchset and stop the rebase15:05
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BobBallthat way you can modify a patch rather than add patches on the top15:05
BobBallnormally bad practice, but absolutely the right thing to do for OpenStack since yours is the only copy of the local git repo until it's formally merged through gerrit15:05
matelBefore doing git rebase, always "backup" your branch -> this way if something goes wrong, you can always go back.15:05
thouvengwaow it seems cool... right now I'm only playing with commit -a --amend15:06
BobBallIt's a very specific workflow for OpenStack I think, but it seems to work well.15:06
BobBallAgreed with Matel!15:06
BobBallSo - I know we've been talking on the patch and on email, but could you give an update for matel + the logs of where things are with the BP?15:07
matelif you are on branch b1, do a backup by: git checkout b1; git checkout -b backup-b1; git checkout b115:07
thouvengCurrently the resource tracker is working and see all pci resources15:07
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thouvengwe are using lspci -vmmkn to get information about pci devices on dom0 and15:08
thouvengin particular wbout which kernel driver is used15:08
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BobBallBTW - this is where merging changesets is substantially easier than splitting.  git rebase -i has an option to merge changesets, but splitting up is entirely manual and quite hard.  Hence the suggestion to start with multiple changesets and only merge if you have to.15:08
BobBallSo the lspci is running in dom0 then all the logic that actually uses the output is in nova15:08
matelI see.15:09
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thouvengthe plugin only returns the output of lspci as a string15:09
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BobBallSo we get a list from dom0 and then use that to see which devices are using the "pciback" driver - these are the ones that can be passed through.15:09
BobBallBut the list is further restricted by the pci whitelist in nova15:09
thouvengif the device is using pciback as device driver then it is added into a list15:09
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thouvengyes I confirm15:10
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matelOk, thanks for that.15:10
BobBallOk - so the next steps are what thouveng ?15:10
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thouvengI started to work on the attachement of the device by setting the other-config:pci=xxx15:10
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thouvengI tested on my machine with two K2 and I can start two VMs with one K2 on each15:11
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BobBallthrough OpenStack? or still manually?15:11
thouvengif I start a third one than the filter says that their is no more GPUs15:11
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thouvengthrough openstack with a specif flavor15:12
thouvengcool :)15:12
matelThis sounds great.15:12
thouvengI need to test with Doom :)15:12
BobBallIf you need someone to play against thouveng, I'm sure we can arrange something.15:13
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BobBallIt's been a long time since I've had a good frag.15:13
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thouvengThanks for the help :)15:13
BobBallYou a doom player matel ?15:13
matelI-2 is just one week.15:13
matelI played doom once. :-)15:13
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BobBallIndeed.  I'm assuming thouveng that this won't make I-2?15:14
BobBallThat's OK - we can re-target to I-3.  The code is well under way and so we have strong confidence it'll make I-3.15:14
matelCan we split it, so that the reporting can go into I-2?15:14
thouvengIt will be short if we want to test it15:14
matel(just an idea)15:14
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thouvengI think the code will be ready but without that much of test15:14
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matelYou mean unit tests?15:15
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BobBallI think it'll need the tests completed before we merge.  I'd prefer to update target to I-3 unless you have a strong desire to fit in I-2 thouveng?15:15
thouvengit will be safe to target I-315:15
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thouvengmatel: yes.15:15
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BobBallOk - well let's let this one slip then.15:16
matelWithout unit tests, it's unlikely, that you'll pass the eagle-eyed cores.15:16
BobBallI believe russellb will soon be retargetting BPs that aren't code complete15:16
matelThe reporting patch is complete, isn't it?15:16
matelIf it's ready, I would remove the draft flag from it.15:17
matelSo that you can get more feedback.15:17
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thouvengYes I think it is time to publish it15:17
BobBallI think it's ready - but I wouldn't push for it without at least a draft useage patch up and ready (perhaps if that's ready without unit tests that'd be good)15:17
BobBalli.e. a patch that proves the theory can work.15:18
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thouvengOK. It's not clear what I should provide to prove that15:18
BobBallI think just the draft patch for the attaching15:19
thouvengAh ok you mean for the attaching part15:19
thouvengI can provide this patch quickly. At least a draft15:19
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BobBallif the draft attaching patch was uploaded I think that it'd be easier to argue that the API part should be accepted15:20
russellbBobBall: already done15:20
thouvengOk I see. I will provide this patch quickly15:20
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BobBallhehe - thanks russellb!15:21
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BobBallOk - next topic unless there is more on BP15:22
Guest56631one thing from me.15:22
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BobBallhi Guest56631 !15:22
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BobBallAh - Christopher - nice obvious nickanme :)15:22
Guest56631this is leif.  I just posted a blueprint last night that would love to get feedback on.15:22
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Guest56631It's around image cache management and leveraging someo of the vmware work.15:23
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BobBallSo what's the basic flow ?15:23
Guest56631don't need feedback now, but please give it a look and let me know.15:23
BobBallIt downloads images preemptively?15:23
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Guest56631Basic flow is to have driver run periodic call to imagecachemanagement object which in turns checks to see what15:24
BobBallor once they have been downloaded, it preserves the base image that was previously downloaded from glance?15:24
Guest56631images are not being used.  If they haven't been used for a long enough time they are removed from the host.15:24
matelBob - it's about the management of the cache itself.15:24
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Guest56631we are thinking about preserving "special" base images and preloaded whitelists, but this is to get us to parity with vmware.15:24
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BobBallSo what I'm trying to understand is what this does on top of the current "caching" of glance images15:25
Guest56631Right now we have the delete cache images code, but it appears it only gets called out of band (from my reading).15:25
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BobBallI'm probably missing something obvious :)15:25
Guest56631Right now the current caching keeps the images around forevere short of a out of band configuration.15:25
Guest56631This puts it in the nova configuration for aging.15:26
BobBallAhh - ok, I see.15:26
Guest56631small steps to start.15:26
BobBallI assumed the base images were deleted when the last VM that used it was deleted.15:26
Guest56631We did too and John and I reviewed yesterday.  We determined it wasn't the case (ie. they remain forever).15:26
BobBallSo this work will ensure the downloaded images are timed-out and deleted15:26
Guest56631If they are not in use.15:27
Guest56631and only if it's configured.15:27
BobBallDoesn't matter if they are - as long as you only delete the glance image and leave the base copy.  It'd be merged in15:27
Guest56631okay.  maybe we can talk about that offline?15:27
BobBallMaybe deleting rare glance images in all cases (even if in use) would be an option if we don't think they will be used again that could just safe a little space15:28
BobBallOK - I'll have a butchers at the BP.15:28
Guest56631LOL I like it.15:28
BobBallFor the logs.15:28
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BobBallOkies - bugs!15:28
BobBall#topic bugs15:28
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BobBallI've fixed a couple - reviews are up15:29
BobBallA couple of long standing bugs15:29
BobBall#link is around monitoring the GC when garbage collecting15:29
BobBallworth talking about that one15:29
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BobBallGuest56631: worth you having a think on that one too - to get another RS perspective.15:29
BobBallBasically the question around this one is whether we should abandon early if the GC is believed not to be running15:30
BobBallThat was the original patch, but John wasn't totally convinced to start.15:30
BobBallI think I've convinced him, so he's happy, but I wanted to get a slightly wider view on it too15:30
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Guest56631BobBall: thanks!15:30
BobBall#link  fixes the CPU reporting15:31
BobBallI had too many people asking about it in #openstack so I thought I'd just do it15:31
BobBallOh - another thing for BP's - sorry.  garyk is working on the v3 diagnostics API, and I've done the XAPI support for it (very straight forward in the end)15:32
BobBallAll of the above could do with review comments :)15:32
BobBallThat's me for bugs.15:32
BobBallAny more? or shall we move to matel for the update on QA/gate?15:33
BobBall#topic QA15:33
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matelnice bob.15:33
BobBallOver to matel then.15:33
matelOkay, so I am working on the localrc atm.15:33
matelI failed to get the official devstack scripts running.15:34
BobBallbecause of the wrong localrc?15:34
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matelThe "framework" is here: #link
matelNo messages coming out of the VM, and it just cuts me off.15:35
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matelProbably messing around the interfaces, I guess.15:35
BobBallso this is when devstack is running15:35
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BobBallit runs differently for some reason then we lose internet connection15:35
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BobBallnot surprising I suppose15:35
matelSo some VM configuration happens here, I think:
matelThat's the update.15:36
BobBallAnd I'm right in saying the nodepool changes that we require are all up and waiting for review?15:37
matelAs far as I know, yes - although I did not have the chance to try them.15:37
BobBallmatel - check out
BobBallthat's the host config it does15:38
matelyes, I saw that.15:38
BobBallincluding messing around with iptables15:38
BobBallah ok15:38
BobBallI'll shush up then15:39
BobBallok :)15:39
BobBall#topic AOB15:39
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matelSo atm, I start that script, and it cuts me off, so I just need to reverse engineer it.15:39
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BobBallare you running as root?15:39
BobBallor stack?15:39
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matelas jenkins15:39
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BobBallI see those changes make a stack user - which is what the rest of the script should probably execute as15:40
BobBallso maybe the cutting you off is at that point15:40
matelI am following this:
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matelbot does not seem to pick up these links?15:40
BobBallI think it does15:40
BobBallbut only shows them in the output15:41
BobBalli.e. no point in repeating "link to XYZ"15:41
matelI thought it puts some garbage here as well.15:41
BobBallMaybe.  Well, it's running, so hopefully we'll get logs even if no links15:41
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BobBallOk - any more for any more?15:41
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matelI'm done.15:41
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BobBallGood good - we'll stop the meeting there then.#15:42
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BobBallthanks guys :)15:42
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BobBallIt did get the #links matel.15:43
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BobBallIt also got links that werent given with #link!15:43
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thouvengI will have a look to git now, thanks a lot for the info BobBall15:44
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BobBallbye :)15:44
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jgriffith#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 15 16:00:30 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
avishayhello all16:00
jgriffithHey everyone!!16:00
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* jgriffith can't get to launchpad this morning16:01
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bswartzI can16:01
jgriffiththere it is16:01
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jgriffith#topic I2 status16:01
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jgriffithavishay: haha :)16:01
* jungleboyj can get to launchpad.16:01
jgriffithOk... down to biz16:02
jgriffithso we're not looking too bad, but not too good either16:02
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jgriffithYou'll notice i deferred a TON of stuff16:02
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avishaygate isn't helping :)  any word?16:02
jgriffithgoing forward we're going to have to be more realistic about what we sign up for I think :)16:02
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rushiagrjgriffith: isn't what we say every time? :)16:03
jgriffithavishay: gate's been better this week but we had a patch that got a +2/A that promptly failed unit tests16:03
jgriffithand caused everything behind it to puuuke16:03
jgriffithrushiagr: LOL16:03
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winston-dthe config sample change?16:03
jgriffithThe gates's the gate, we can fix it up and offer assistance to make it better16:04
avishaycan the CI team somehow push eharney's patch to the front of the queue?16:04
jgriffithavishay: I just pushed everybody elses to the back :)16:04
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jgriffithavishay: and no... sadly the queue doesn't work that way I don't think16:04
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avishayjgriffith: ok, gotcha16:04
eharneyit's technically possible i think, but not sure about willingness16:04
jgriffithavishay: it's really a queue, and build dependencies as it chugs along16:04
rushiagrjust like 'recheck bug' we can have 'get me in first'16:05
jgriffitheharney: it would require a reset on all jobs in the queue, those are nasty16:05
eharneyah, right16:05
jgriffithrushiagr: LOL16:05
jgriffithso I realize gates a challenge sometimes16:05
jgriffithhonestly there's a good number of items not submitted16:05
winston-dsimple reboot the jenkins cluster should do the trick. :D16:06
jgriffithparticularly those that I deferred, had not been started and had no updates16:06
jgriffithso I moved them to I3, still having doubts about them getting done there :(16:06
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jgriffithwinston-d: LOL!!!!16:06
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jgriffithwinston-d: "simple", "reboot" and "jenkins cluster" all in the same sentence16:06
jgriffithdosaboy: any updated on your metadata support in backups?16:07
jgriffithdosaboy: ok... we'll come back and see if you're available later16:07
jgriffithavishay: do you have any contact with ronenkat?16:08
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avishayjgriffith: yes, why?16:08
jgriffithavishay: or does he have a nifty irc nic that I just don't know :)16:08
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avishayjgriffith: will ping him, 1 min16:08
jgriffithavishay: thnx!16:09
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jgriffithanybody have objections to their items that I deferred?16:09
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jgriffithwhich btw puts us at 21 BP's for I-3 which I think is unrealistic16:09
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avishaymine is already submitted :)16:10
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jgriffithavishay: yes avishay you're the exception today :)16:10
* coolsvap too16:10
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jgriffithI'm mostly looking at like Duncans that's been deferred twice16:10
coolsvapjust the patch set is abandoned tiil i216:10
jgriffiththe FC changes that have been deferred for 2 releases16:11
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jgriffithThen the "new" ones from folks we never hear from or see in IRC :)16:11
avishayjgriffith: ronenkat is here16:11
jgriffithcoolsvap: ?16:11
kmartinjgriffith: I think the fc zone mgr is getting closer we're testing it in-house16:11
jgriffithkmartin: You said that last year :)16:12
jgriffithkmartin: sorry... couldn't resist16:12
jgriffithok... ronenkat16:12
jgriffithronenkat: any update on your backup/recovery bp?16:12
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coolsvapjgriffith: my code changes for multi-volume create are done! just waiting to resubmit after i2 freeze16:12
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winston-dcan we spend two minute discuss this bp?
jgriffithcoolsvap: Ahh.. got ya :)16:12
winston-dif there was still time16:12
jgriffithwinston-d: which one?16:13
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jgriffithronenkat: so I'm wondering is it realistic to have your BP targetted for I2 still?16:13
jgriffithronenkat: are you still working on it?16:13
jgriffithronenkat: any chance of it landing in gerrit in the next day or two?16:14
ronenkatjgriffith: still working, it takes a bit more than I anticipated, mainly learning the maze of getting the commands to move between client and API. I mostly need to create test code now16:14
jgriffithronenkat: ok, so sounds like not much chance of making it for I2 then?16:14
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jgriffithronenkat: would you like it bumped to I3?16:14
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ronenkatjgriffith: I think you are right, I will probably make it into gerrir by mid next week, not before that16:15
jgriffithronenkat: TBH I suspect it's going to be significant enough of a change that I don't want to rush review/testing on it either16:15
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jgriffithronenkat: Ok, I'm going to push it to I3 then16:15
jgriffithronenkat: thanks for the update16:15
ronenkatjgriffith: ok16:15
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jgriffithThat just leaves dosaboy :)16:16
jgriffithI'll try and catch up with him later16:16
jgriffithso to reiterate...16:16
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jgriffithThe items listed for I2 "bugs and blueprints" are priority for reviewers16:16
jgriffiththe sooner we get those reviewed the better16:17
jgriffithwe REALLY don't want to wait til next week if possible16:17
jgriffithsound good to everyone?16:17
jungleboyjMakes sense.16:17
jgriffithwe have a boat load of bugs too... don't forget those :)16:17
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jgriffithI'm guessing that the ones that people assigned themeselves to but aren't in the queue should be reassigned16:18
jgriffithso if you're lookign for a great way to help out other than reviews grab one of those bugs up top that don't have code submitted :)16:19
jgriffiththingee: hey!!  I thought you'd be on the train or something16:19
jgriffiththingee: :)16:19
coolsvapi am available if we have any such bugs16:19
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jgriffithAnybody see any of those that they might be interested in, be able to work on?16:19
winston-dwhat? we have a review opened for 165 days?16:19
eharneywinston-d: it's WIP16:20
jgriffitheharney: winston-d that reminds me!!!16:20
jgriffithIf you have a WIP that you know is pretty much dead please abandon it16:20
jgriffithI'm looking at you guitarzan16:21
guitarzanjgriffith: haha, let me look :)16:21
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jgriffithThere are others as well, but guitarzan is good humored so I can poke at him :)16:21
jungleboyjjgriffith: That one that is assigned to me is on my list for this week.  It is mostly done but has test case issues.16:21
jgriffithjungleboyj: k... you think you can get it done?16:22
jgriffithjungleboyj: the good thing is it's low pri, so I'm not terribly worried16:22
jungleboyjjgriffith: Yessir.  I can do my best.16:22
jgriffithThe High and Med are my top concerns16:22
jgriffithVMWare is likely best left to VMware16:22
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jungleboyjjgriffith: I wonder why that doesn't show as in progress.  I need to look at that.16:23
jgriffithbut the delete extra-spec with '/' we should look at16:23
rushiagri was looking at it16:23
jgriffithjungleboyj: launchpad is good, but it's not perfect at auto-updating16:23
jgriffithrushiagr: oh... cool16:23
rushiagrI plan to look at it this week too, but cant guarantee if I can get it done16:23
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jgriffithrushiagr: ok, please keep me/us posted later this week at how it goes for ya16:23
jgriffithrushiagr: if I can help let me know16:24
rushiagrjgriffith: sure16:24
coolsvaprushiagr: let me know if I can assist16:24
rushiagrcoolsvap: appreciate ur help16:24
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jgriffithJust a heads up, after we get I2 out, we'll need to have a meeting to take a hard look at what's targetted for I316:24
jgriffithYou might want to be thinking about what's there between now and then16:25
jgriffithWe should trim that list down to something realistic based on previous milestone accomplishments16:25
jgriffithand on that note....16:25
jgriffith#topic open discussion16:25
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jgriffithwinston-d: which bp did you want to discuss?16:25
winston-d this one16:26
avishayjgriffith: reminder - you also had cert test on the agenda16:26
jgriffithOhhh yes :)16:26
jgriffithavishay: yeah... thanks :)16:27
winston-dI've been -2 on Jay Lau's implementation.  but I'd like to hear your opinion16:27
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caitlin56winston-d: would that translate to a filter that just specified "host must be X"?16:27
winston-dcaitlin56: yes, you can do that with a scheduler hint16:28
winston-dscheduler is smart enough to take input like 'host' must be something, or 'free space' must be larger than a value16:28
jgriffithwinston-d: I think I would agree16:29
caitlin56It sounds useful, and really doesn't disrupt anything. sounds good to me.16:29
jgriffithwinston-d: end user shouldn't know anything about "host" anyway16:29
winston-djgriffith: yes, that's my point too16:30
winston-dcaitlin56: force host or scheduler hint?16:30
caitlin56jgriffith: specifying a host via a hint. I can't see why not. Normally you don't need to specify a host, but there are special needs.16:30
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avishayjgriffith: he is willing to make it admin-only, but it's something that can already be done16:31
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winston-dcaitlin56: scheduler hint is already there.16:31
jgriffithwinston-d: caitlin56 Ok... I think -2 is appropriate and implement as sched hint16:31
jgriffithavishay: thingee kmartin jungleboyj objections/agreement?16:31
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avishayjgriffith: agreed, -2, should be accompanied with how to do it alternately16:31
winston-djgriffith: we can already do that with scheduler hint, i think i provided an example in the reviews16:32
winston-dlet me check16:32
jgriffithwinston-d: I'm looking through your comments but there are a lot of them :)16:32
caitlin56Winston-d, so if you can do it already do you really need anything other than better documentation to highlight it?16:32
thingeeagreed, scheduler hints is what I've been advocating in my talks too :)16:32
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jungleboyjjgriffith: That is fine with me.16:33
thingeedon't make me update a slide, or something16:33
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jgriffiththingee: haha16:33
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winston-djgriffith: don't know how the get a link for specific review comment, but if you look at the longest comment i left for patch set 2:
jgriffith#action make sure openstack-docs has example of how to do sched hint for host16:34
avishaythingee: i will update for you :)16:34
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jgriffithOk... sounds good...16:34
jgriffithdone deal16:34
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jgriffithanybody have anything else before I talk about the cert stuff again?16:34
winston-di actually gave an example of how to use scheduler hint to 'force' a volume on certain host16:35
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jgriffith#topic cert tests/script16:35
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jgriffithIt seems there's something broken in the tempest env when trying to run this16:35
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jgriffithI'm looking at it, but it's also interesting that everybody thought this was a good idea but apparantly nobody is running it :)16:36
jgriffithDo we stil want to do this?16:36
winston-dyes, please16:36
avishayyes, i was hoping to get around to it soon16:36
jgriffithOk... cool16:37
kmartinyes, still need to run the 3par and lefthand drivers against it16:37
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jgriffithso I believe the problem is that the script doesn't build the test lib any more16:37
winston-di'd ask for a cert test result from vendors before we considering next purchase16:37
jgriffithso when you run it on a clean setup it doesn't find any tests16:37
jgriffithand you get the silly "Ran 0 tests in xxx" OK16:37
jgriffithwinston-d: FYI I have a plan for the next iteration that will be even better16:38
jgriffithjust need to work out some details16:38
eharneyi've seen this in some instances with " -V cinder.some.test" too16:38
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kmartinjgriffith: did you document the location of the script somewhere?16:38
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jgriffitheharney: Yeah, I tried to avoid it by not doing venv16:38
avishaythat's why i usually use tox instead of run_tests.sh16:38
jgriffithavishay: educate me :)16:39
jgriffithavishay: tox would be the answer here I believe16:39
avishayjgriffith: winston-d taught me the little that i know :)16:39
thingeedetox, if you got the cores :)16:39
jgriffiththingee: lol16:39
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jgriffithavishay: the problem is I wasn't sure how tox worked in tempest/devstack16:39
jgriffithavishay: when trying to use 'real' devs and conf files16:40
jgriffithsuppose it should just work still16:40
avishayjgriffith: no idea16:40
jgriffithI'll play with it16:40
jgriffithprobably ping avishay and winston-d :)16:40
jgriffithsince I've always been the only fan of :(16:40
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jungleboyjjgriffith: You aren't the only fan.16:41
rushiagrjgriffith:  me too. tox never runs for me, and I never cared16:41
jungleboyjrushiagr: +116:41
jgriffithrushiagr: jungleboyj yayy!!!16:41
jgriffithI've never liked tox16:41
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winston-drushiagr: you must be kidding. :)16:42
rushiagrwinston-d: only about 'never cared' part ;)16:42
jgriffithalright... we can take this offline :)16:42
avishaynext topic - vim or emacs? ;)16:42
jgriffithavishay: LOL!!!16:43
jgriffithavishay: you're a funny guy16:43
jgriffithavishay: MS Notepad FTW!!!16:43
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avishayjgriffith: :)16:43
jgriffithalright... thanks everyone!!16:43
jgriffithHang tough on reviews the next few days please :)16:43
avishayjgriffith: please update when the cert script is working, will like to try it out16:44
jgriffith#endmeeting cinder16:44
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jungleboyjAy ay !16:44
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jgriffithavishay: will do16:44
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hartsocks#startmeeting VMwareAPI17:00
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hartsocksWho's around?17:00
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garyki am here17:00
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hartsocksbrief intros this week?17:00
* mdbooth is here17:00
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AndyDugas_AndyDugas from VMware is lurking17:02
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hartsocksI'm Shawn Hartsock, your friendly neighborhood community secretary aka community chair17:02
AndyDugas_Hey Shawn17:02
brownebrowne - Eric Brown from VMware17:02
hartsocks:-) hey Andy17:02
hartsocksbrowne: welcome to the new guy!17:03
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mdboothMatt Booth: Red Hat and OpenStack n00b17:03
hartsocksmdbooth: welcome new guy :-) all hands are welcome17:03
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hartsockswe're doing short intros for those just joining...17:05
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hartsocksjust do this if you join late btw17:06
tjonesdo what?  i just joined17:07
hartsockstjones: just getting rolling17:07
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hartsocksOkay, meeting agenda, blueprints, bugs, open discussion17:08
hartsocks#topic blueprints17:08
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hartsocksWe're just a few days away from icehouse-2 feature freeze17:08
hartsocksWe've been tracking our BP for icehouse-2 here:17:08
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hartsocksI've just updated the page.17:09
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hartsocksIt turns out that there was a review deadline *yesterday* where if your patch for your feature aka blueprint wasn't set to status 'ready for review' you got *bumped* to icehouse-3.17:09
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hartsocksUnfortunately the 3 of the top 7 blueprints we identified were bumped.17:10
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hartsocksActually, the top 3 priority BP were bumped :-(17:10
garyknot sure that i understand the point about the review deadline17:11
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tjoneshartsocks: we also need to have CI listening to all patches etc by i-2.  CI is blocked on the image cache AND the session management BP17:11
garykall of the BP's menationed have received reviews.17:11
hartsockswell, don't shoot the messenger17:11
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hartsocksI'm just doing y'all's book keeping here.17:11
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tjonesi know but….  is there anything that can be done??  image cache has been reviewed up, down, and sideways17:12
hartsocksThe short of it is if you didn't manually set the status "Needs Review" the core-reviewers assumed you weren't paying attention.17:12
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hartsocksSo what we need to do is get garyk & vuil to set "needs review" … and we'll need to call attention to those blueprints.17:13
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tjonesi checked image cache yesterday and it was needs review17:13
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hartsockscurrently set to icehouse-317:13
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tjonesright and it's in  "needs code review"17:14
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hartsocksI think I see why it was bumped...17:14
tjonesjust like yesterday17:14
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hartsockstjones: yeah, that all went down last night.17:14
tjoneswe will not be able to make the CI commitments without image cache17:15
hartsocksthe image-cache-handlers BP is a dependency of the vmware-image-cache-management BP17:15
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hartsocks#action call out to russellb17:15
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tjonescontinuous integration tests17:16
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garykmdbooth: there is the upstream gating.17:16
garykeach driver is meanet to have their own CI. the vmware one is called minesweeper17:16
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garykat the moment we are trying to speed up the time taken to run all of the tests17:17
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garykwith the image cache temp patch the times are improved as we can run tests in parallel17:17
tjonesbecause we have a requirements to run within 4 hours17:17
mdboothGot it17:17
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hartsocksI've put a note on the BP to russellb and I'll see about calling this out later.17:19
hartsocksafter this meeting.17:19
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hartsocksThe other BP that slipped are still important but I think we can tolerate slipping a bit better because it doesn't endanger Minesweeper.17:20
hartsocksBTW: anyone in here want to give an update on Minesweeper while we're talking about it?17:20
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garykhartsocks: i can try17:21
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garykthe last few days there have been infrastructure issues which have been resolved (or are in the process of being resolved)17:21
garykthis has caused a lag in the scores from the minesweeper17:21
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garykthe queue of reviews is also terribly long17:21
garykthats about all at the moment17:22
hartsocksgaryk: do we have a public link for that so we can show the core-reviewers?17:22
mdboothDoes it have a web interface, btw?17:22
hartsocksgaryk: I know we expose logs now.17:22
tjoneshence the importance of getting parallel runs17:22
* hartsocks digs around for a link to Minesweeper logs17:22
garykmdbooth: it is jenkins like the upstream one. there logs from the runs are posted but access is currently not poissble17:22
tjonesthe logs are posted with the patches17:23
tjonesweb access is not possible you mean.  the logs are accessible17:23
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garyktjones: correct.17:23
hartsocksThe directory numbers are review numbers.17:23
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hartsockslooks like we have no publicly viewable UI to show health of the Minesweeper itself.17:24
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garykplease note that the minesweeper is currently working with 2 projects - nova and neutron17:24
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hartsocksanything else to cover here before I start whining to core-reviewers?17:25
garyki have spoken with vipin and can give an update regarding the oslo support.17:26
tjonessorry for jumping all over you hartsocks - but this is critical17:26
garykjust let me know when17:26
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russellbthe review queue is long in general though, not just vmware stuff17:26
hartsocksrussellb: hey17:26
hartsocksrussellb: brief summary is this BP improves our Minesweeper performance significantly ...17:27
hartsocksbut it was bumped to icehouse-317:27
russellbwasn't set to "needs code review"17:27
russellbwe bumped everything not ready for review17:27
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russellbsince we have a big enough queue of stuff ready17:27
hartsocksWell, without it we're in danger of not being able meet the 4 hour test turn-around requirement.17:28
hartsocksIf we can get some slack either on the time for testing to turn around or on the BP we'll be in much better shape.17:28
russellbthe deadlines for all of this are icehouse17:28
russellbnot icehouse-217:28
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hartsocksI think we had Jan 22nd in mind for some reason. Might have been an internal deadline now that I think about it.17:29
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hartsocksSo as a driver we're cool?17:30
tjonesactually i thought it was THE deadline (not internal)17:30
russellbwe did say icehouse-2 was a soft deadline actually ... and we'd start putting warning messages after icehouse-217:30
russellblet me pull up the wiki page ...17:30
tjonesif not - all i can say is phew!17:30
dansmithbut for things like this where we're steaming towards success, I think we're fine17:30
dansmithwe don't need to put in a warning because minesweeper is taking five hours, IMHO17:31
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russellbdansmith: +117:31
garykdansmith: i agree with you. great progress has been made17:31
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russellbbased on the existing progress, totally agreed no warning for this driver17:31
* hartsocks bows graciously17:31
dansmithI think the warnings go in for drivers that have no (current) hope of meeting the deadline, like powervm would have been, and docker still is (I think)17:31
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russellbi think we should just start a -dev thread at icehouse-2 asking for status from everyone17:33
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dansmithor just do it on the date and watch the fireworks17:33
dansmitheither way is fine with me :P17:33
russellbyou guys are in good shape17:33
hartsocksgood to hear17:33
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hartsocksanything else on these Blueprints that were moved from icehouse-2 to icehouse-3?17:34
hartsocksBlueprints for vmwareapi not in Nova…17:36
hartsocks#link I had noted for icehouse-2 now set for icehouse-317:36
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hartsocksThat's in Cinder.17:36
hartsocksI'll send a note to Subbu on this one.17:37
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hartsocksgaryk: you said you spoke to the team doing our Oslo work.17:37
garykhartsocks: yes17:37
hartsocksgaryk: now would be a good time to talk about that :-)17:37
garykat the moment vipin is addressing all of the comments posted on the patch set. he will be posting another patch hopefully tomorrow.17:38
garykplease note that this is an initial forklift and later patches will deal with improvements17:38
hartsocksI feel bad for beating him up a bit in review.17:38
garykthe purpose is to get common code into oslo and be used by nova/cinder/glance and if you guys have been following ceilometer17:38
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garykhe has addressed most. :)17:39
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hartsocksI've had a hard time getting real time chat with Vipin, we're too many timezones apart.17:39
hartsocksI've made this as an attempt to catch notes we might want to share on the topic.17:40
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hartsocksIn general, I know we don't want to shift the API while doing the "forklift" process but I still want to try and address error logging and handling issues that make debugging a nightmare for us in some corner cases.17:41
hartsocksother blueprints?17:42
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hartsocks#topic bugs17:44
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hartsocksI'll send out my mailing update after this meeting…17:44
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hartsockshas my preliminary report17:45
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garykthat is stable/havana17:45
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hartsocksbug in my report system.17:46
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garykmost serious issue at the moment is the
garykminesweeper passes on this but for some reason it is failing to do the +117:46
garykthat is causing a ton of our patches to fail the CI17:47
hartsocks#action shill for one more +2 on
hartsocksokay, open discussion time?17:48
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hartsocksNext week we'll have to focus on bugs to make up for shorting them this week.17:49
garykwill there be a meeting next week?17:49
hartsocksgood question...17:49
garykwould it be possible that at the nova meetup whoever is going to try and maybe sit with one or more cores to review a blueprint17:50
tjonesi'll be in costa rica ;-)17:50
hartsocksJan 22nd is not a holiday as far as I see...17:50
hartsockstjones: unacceptable!17:50
tjoneshee hee17:50
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hartsocksMonday Jan 20th is a holiday so no meeting Monday m'kay?17:50
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hartsocks#topic open discussion17:50
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garykmy thinking is that if a ton of nova people are int he same room then why not divide into grouos and have a ton of eyes on certain bp's. maybe russellb can priorities X BP's and thena group of people spend a session on those (cross my fingers that we may have 1 or 2 in the mix)17:50
hartsocksgaryk: that's a good idea and I had hoped we could get some good skills sharing with core-reviewers17:52
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hartsocksgaryk: one of my focuses has been on use of Python 3's mock libs… I hope I can contribute more broadly there...17:53
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hartsocksI'm currently toying with the idea that we should be able to Mock *any* observed failure mode in production/test and code for it in a unit test…17:54
hartsocks… not sure how realistic that is, however.17:54
brownewhen does openstack plan to switch over to python 3?17:54
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hartsocksI have no idea… but the code is slowly being walked into python 3 compatibility.17:55
hartsocksRight now you have to write things so they work from 2.6 through 3.3 if I recall correctly.17:55
garykthe nova client has it as part of the gating17:55
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hartsocksI've put some notes in some places that say things like "once python 2.6 is dropped rewrite"17:56
mdboothAnother Red Hatter mentioned to me today that mock is preferred over mox in new code. Is that true in the vmwareapi driver?17:56
hartsocksI would like it to be.17:56
browneyeah, i believe mox doesn't work in python 3.x17:57
hartsocksI have some broken code which is WIP where I'm playing with mock over mox:,n,z17:57
hartsocksWIP: work in progress17:57
hartsocksBTW: there is a mox lib that works in Python 3 but IIRC it's not officially supported or something like that.17:58
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hartsocksbrowne: ah, it's on that page, mox317:58
browneyeah, just saw that too17:58
hartsocksWe're out of time.17:59
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hartsocksWe're over on #openstack-vmware if anyone needs to chat. Sometimes I'm quite colourful over there.17:59
mdboothGood night17:59
hartsocksOtherwise, same time next week in here. We'll focus on bugs.17:59
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan garyduan yisun: there?18:00
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RajeshMohanHi Sumit18:01
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting Networking FWaaS18:02
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: waiting for SridarK to join18:02
SumitNaiksatamhe was going to be running the entire tempests suite18:02
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beyounnhi there18:03
SumitNaiksatamif he is not around, we can have a short meeting18:03
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: hi18:03
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: ok18:03
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: do you know if garyduan is going to be around?18:03
beyounnlet me check18:03
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: thanks18:04
beyounnhe is not in yet18:04
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: ok18:04
SumitNaiksatam#topic service_type framework18:04
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: garyduan seems to have updated his patch18:05
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: could you ask him to recheck, since the devstack-gate failed18:05
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: thanks18:05
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SumitNaiksatamwe should all review his patch at the earliest, and push for moving forward18:06
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: also, will be a good idea to reach out to enikanorov_ nati_ueno and akihiro to review the patch18:07
beyounnok, I will ask Gary to send a notice to them18:07
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: thanks, not sure if he is going to join, lets move on18:09
SumitNaiksatam#topic Service Objects18:09
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: since you are around, anything you wanted to discuss on this?18:09
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: i know we are not targeting this for I2 at least18:10
beyounnI have finished the coding on the source object/service group18:10
beyounnCurrently, working on the unit testing18:10
SumitNaiksatamoh sweet18:10
beyounnMy current design is to make service group a top resource18:10
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: perhaps good idea to post the patch18:11
beyounnsince I think it is a common resource18:11
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: ok, easier to understand for everyone once they see the patch18:11
beyounnSure, I just thought it would be better to at least run through the unit test before I submit18:11
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: yeah, either way18:12
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beyounnok, let me at least go through the basics first18:12
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: sure18:12
beyounnSumit: is there a doc to tell about unit testing?18:13
beyounnhow it works together, and how to write test case?18:13
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: the neutron README should have some pointers to running the tests18:13
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: other than that i don't know of anything from the top my head18:14
beyounnsumit: ok18:14
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: best place is to look for existing tests18:14
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: i am just stating the obvious, i am sure you are doing that already18:14
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beyounnSumit, right18:15
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: anything more?18:16
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beyounnthat's it18:16
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: thanks18:16
SumitNaiksatam#topic Service Insertion and Firewall18:16
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: didn't check the latest patch, did you base it off garyduan's patch?18:17
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Shoudl I make my patch dependent on his?18:17
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: good question18:18
RajeshMohanFor now, I am working on unit tests - off main branch18:18
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: ok thats fine18:18
RajeshMohanTalked to Nachi on review18:18
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: ok good18:18
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RajeshMohanHe said that he was waiting on -2 being removed18:18
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: i just wanted to make sure that there are no surprises based on garyduan's patch18:18
RajeshMohanSo, working on UT to remove -218:18
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: hopefully nothing in garyduan's patch conflicts with what you are doing18:19
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I agree. I should rebase to his patch at the earliest18:19
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: i don't want you to have to do the same work twice18:19
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: but thanks for following up until this point, lets keep at it, and hopefully there will be more reviewers available post I218:20
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: anything else you wanted to bring up in that context?18:20
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: UT is the only blocker for -2, right?18:20
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: After some basic UT, we can possibly move to -118:21
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: thats the basic blocker18:21
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: i have not seen the latest patch, my apologies18:21
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: we have to coordinate with SridarK on the CLI as well18:22
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Yes18:22
RajeshMohanI will ping Sridar over email today18:22
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: thanks18:22
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SumitNaiksatam#action RajeshMohan to sync up with SridarK on service insertion CLI18:23
RajeshMohanI think Sridar can start on the CLI with the patch that is currently posted18:23
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: ok18:23
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: at some point we have to start discussing the horizon changes as well18:23
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Can I rebase to garyduan's patch and use the same review?18:23
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: you or garyduan interested in the horizon discussion :-)18:24
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SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: i think so18:24
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Or will I be required to create a new review?18:24
beyounnSumit I think so, at least to know how it works18:24
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: once you know how it works, you will need to get it work as well :-)18:24
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: we will all need to chip in, this might be helpful for the service objects work later as well18:25
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: anything more on the service insertion to discuss right now?18:26
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Horizon?18:26
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: yeah, i guess we will need to meet for that, right?18:27
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RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Yes. Maybe after we have initial CLI patch.18:27
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Top of the head, do you know how much time we have before merge?18:28
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: thats true, we need client side code before we can do horizon18:28
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: we should target first couple of weeks into I318:29
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: garyduan's patch seems to be a gating issue right now18:29
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Second week of Feb?18:30
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: I2 is Jan 23rd18:30
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: yes and yes18:31
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam: Thanks for the info18:31
SumitNaiksatamRajeshMohan: we can speed things up reviewing on garyduan's patch18:31
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: have you looked at RajeshMohan's patch for service insertion18:31
beyounnno, I did not get time to do it yet, sorry18:32
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: whenever you get a chance, between RajeshMohan and myself we have gone through several iterations on this18:33
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SumitNaiksatam#topic temptest testing18:34
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SumitNaiksatamSridarK was running the tests with FWaaS and VPNaaS enabled18:34
SumitNaiksatamhe is in another meeting, so will follow up with him18:34
SumitNaiksatam#action SridarK to provide update on FWaaS + VPNaaS tempest runs18:35
beyounnSumit, if fwaas temptest is not going to be enabled in I218:36
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SumitNaiksatambased on his findings we will recommend that FWaaS  be enabled on the gate18:36
beyounnSumit, how should be deal with vendor tests?18:36
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: thats a good point18:36
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: i believe you are asking in the context of the varmour driver?18:37
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: interesting situation, unfortunately this did not come up before in the discussions18:37
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: but for the third party tests you need to enable fwaas in your setup18:38
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: does not have to be in the upstream gate18:38
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beyounnsumit: do you mean that we don't need to get our temptest ready before I2?18:39
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: i meant that you need to get your infra setup for running tempest test which would have fwaas enabled18:40
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: but it does not need to be enabled for the tempest tests which are running in the upstream gate18:40
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: makes sense, or do you still see an issue?18:41
beyounngot it18:41
SumitNaiksatambeyounn: are you working towards your CI setup?18:42
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beyounnGary is working on it18:42
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn: okay18:43
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SumitNaiksatambeyounn RajeshMohan: anything more on tempests tests?18:44
RajeshMohanSumitNaiksatam:Same here18:44
SumitNaiksatamok great18:44
SumitNaiksatam#topic open discussion18:44
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SumitNaiksatamanything else that we need to discuss, or we can wrap up early18:45
SumitNaiksatamalright, great, thanks beyounn and RajeshMohan for joining!18:46
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stevebaker#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 15 20:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'20:00
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wirehead_What a hot topic20:00
stevebaker#topic rollcall20:00
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tspatzierhi all20:00
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* radix here20:01
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stevebaker#topic Review last week's actions20:02
radixcyli and rockstar might be here soon, they'll be helping out with autoscale20:02
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stevebakerIts already on the agenda, but if you haven't already then vote on the alt meeting time
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stevebaker#topic Adding items to the agenda20:03
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stevebakeranything to add to the ^?20:03
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radixsomething about AS blueprints, maybe20:03
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stevebakerradix: done20:04
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stevebaker#topic Inclusive meeting times - slight return20:04
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zanebI'm awake20:04
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stevebakerlooking at that poll...20:07
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stevebakerit looks like its between 1st and 4th options20:07
SpamapS\o/ those are the ones I picked I think20:08
wirehead_Of course, in the interests of inclusiveness, maybe the worst possible option must be picked instead of the best possible option? </troll>20:08
zanebyep, and they both seem about equally bad20:08
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SpamapSstevebaker: actually20:08
SpamapSstevebaker: you may want to include the current meeting times too20:08
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SpamapSstevebaker: what you really want is the one that has the most people who _cannot_ make the current meeting times.20:08
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stevebakerSo how about we go with the first option for the rest of icehouse? The next PTL can renegotiate 2 new times that suite them20:10
randallburtstevebaker:  good plan.20:10
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stevebakerwhich is UTC 00:00:00.00020:10
zanebstevebaker: so, therve and bgorski did not reply, but I assume they are in the same boat as shardy?20:10
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stevebakeryes, sucks to be euro20:10
shardyzaneb: similar give or take an hour yeah20:11
stevebakerbut it seems we have many US contributors so should accomdate them20:11
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stevebakerI think we have enough channels to communicate that missing our european friends once a fortnight won't be too bad20:13
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stevebakerany objections or alternatives?20:13
wirehead_By "European friends" you mean "European friends who do not have a sleeping disorder"?20:13
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stevebaker#agreed Alternate heat meeting time will be Wednesday 22nd UTC 00:0020:14
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stevebaker#topic icehouse-2 release status20:15
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radix(not that I can make it, just happy that it's agreed :)20:15
mspreitzYou mean Thursday 0 UTC, right?20:15
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mspreitzWednesday 24:00 UTC20:16
shardystevebaker: how long have we got before we branch it?20:16
stevebakerI was brutal enough with this list that we can actually use it for i-2 release planning. If I was too brutal then feel free to change something back20:16
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stevebakerEOD Tuesday the branch will happen20:16
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skraynev_stevebaker: OMG. 4 am in local time)))20:16
zanebmspreitz: yes, the first one one here
shardystevebaker: Ok, cool few days to get stuff reviewed then :)20:17
stevebakerif you want to prioritise reviews then doing it by bp/bug priority might be good20:17
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stevebakerradix: do you think as-lib has a chance of i-2?20:18
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radixstevebaker: I think it has a chance for at least one patch to get in, but I dunno about all of it20:18
stevebakerpshchelo: should cancel-update-stack be Needs Code Review?20:18
radixI'm fixing One Weird Unit Test before submitting a patch today20:18
radixbut it won't be the whole thing20:19
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stevebakerradix: lets not kick it yet then20:19
wirehead_Learn how a Rackspace software developer solved a Heat problem with One Weird Unit Tests (Sorry if the joke's been made already)20:19
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zanebwirehead_: no, but thanks for saying what everyone was thinking ;)20:19
shardystevebaker: FYI I've nearly finished keystone-v3-only, but waiting on getting keystone bug #1259584 merged before I can post the remaining patches20:19
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1259584 in keystone "ec2 signature validation fails with v3 credentials" [Medium,In progress]
stevebakerSpamapS: do you think retry-failed-update will get an i-2 push?20:20
shardystevebaker: so that may be possible if I can chase the keystone folks for reviews20:20
shardyotherwise will be early i320:20
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stevebakertspatzier: where is schema-code-consolidation at?20:21
tspatzierstevebaker: I submitted another patch set today that addresses all issues I discussed with zaneb20:21
zanebstevebaker: it was very close a couple of days ago, and there is a new patch I haven't reviewed yet20:21
SpamapSstevebaker: yes it will get a "today" push :)20:21
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zanebI will look at it today for sure20:22
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stevebakerbtw there are a bunch of heatclient reviews needed for
tspatzierbtw: just wanted to update the status of the bp, but got a connect error ...20:23
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stevebakerany other i-2 updates?20:23
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zanebtspatzier: I changed it to "Needs Code Review"20:24
tspatzierthanks zaneb20:24
zanebI assume that's what you wanted ;)20:24
tspatzierexactly :-)20:24
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stevebaker#topic i18n log messages20:24
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pshchelostevebaker: only the part in client, for the heat part I'm waiting to see how the deletion of inprogress stacks will take shape for multi-engine20:25
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stevebakerThis is a PSA. Apparently OpenStack will support i18n on log messages, so keep this in mind when reviewing any'bleargh'))20:26
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stevebakerOne day there may be different translation domains, so these will change to'snork')) or somesuch20:26
shardystevebaker: wow, even debug logging?20:27
stevebakershardy: that I don't know20:27
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randallburtits the thought that counts?20:27
zanebstevebaker: what does that mean?20:27
pshchelonot being a native English speaker I too think this is excessive20:27
zanebwhat should I be doing differently while I am keeping it in mind?20:27
stevebakerzaneb: it means don't -1 a review just because it has _() in a logging statement20:27
randallburtzaneb:  i18n your log messages20:28
stevebakerlike I did ;)20:28
zanebpretty sure I have never done that ;P20:28
stevebaker#topic openstack-heat-templates version tagging20:28
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stevebakerwho added that? sdake?20:28
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jpeeleri did, by request of sdake20:28
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jpeelerbasically i know we have directories for fedora/debian releases20:29
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jpeelerbut is the idea to have what's in the repo packaged and distributed the same for every version of openstack?20:29
jpeeleror will it be versioned20:29
shardywhich is wrong anyway, because many templates will work on more than one version..20:29
stevebakerI think any of those templates should be ported to the latest release and the old on deleted20:30
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stevebakerold ones20:30
shardy(I meant OS versions, the directories)20:30
stevebakershardy: we could never confirm that though20:30
SpamapSIs there an opportunity to turn that repository into an integration test suite?20:31
shardystevebaker: one issue we have is we evidently don't have the resources to re-test all example templates for every Fedora release20:31
SpamapSif so.. then it should be managed and released as part of icehouse/juno/etc.20:31
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SpamapSat the very least we should try to validate all of them20:31
stevebakerso how about we just support the latest release and make any required fixes when we get the chance. They are just example templates afterall20:31
shardySpamapS: automated testing via gate tests would be ideal, but I'm not sure how realistic that is20:31
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randallburtSpamapS:  a good idea that. we may have some QE folks doing something kinda like that.20:32
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jpeelerwell my understanding is we'll have to support it for havana and obviously icehouse now20:32
stevebakergiven that we have different heat releases now, the matrix is exploding20:32
jpeelermaybe the havana support is not an upstream requirement20:32
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SpamapSso my thinking is that we should do whatever we can to make sure they will work with the current release of Heat. And so if they are in the gate, they can get tagged on release day.. and we can manage them confidently as we deprecate things.. people can just use the tagged examples for stable releases.20:33
SpamapSsadly, I have no time to do this. :-/20:33
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randallburtSpamapS:  +1 but me either atm ;)20:33
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stevebakerwhat we need is a public (glance) template repo which has metadata of known working combinations20:34
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zanebI think we're getting a bit off-topic ;)20:35
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stevebakerlets move on, I don't know the answer20:35
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stevebaker#topic tempest bug fixing day20:35
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stevebakerSome of you may have seen this20:35
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stevebakerOn Jan 27th some are dedicating a day to looking at gate blocking tempest issues. Heat isn't causing any of these at the moment (hopefully) but I wonder if there is interest in spending a day doing things like:20:37
stevebaker- setting up tempest locally and running heat tests20:37
stevebaker- writing new heat tests20:37
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skraynev__stevebaker: do you mean tempest tests?20:38
stevebaker- debugging the gate issues with the heat-slow tests20:38
randallburtsounds fun ;)20:38
shardystevebaker: +1, sounds like a good plan20:38
stevebakerand we can use #heat for helping with issues and diagnosing gate20:39
shardystevebaker: can we get the various tempest tests we'd like to write into either launchpad of an etherpad beforehand, so everybody can see who's doing what wrt new tests?20:39
skraynev__stevebaker: does heat-slow job work now? I mean: did you finished related changes for this job?20:39
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stevebakerskraynev__: it runs but the tests time out20:39
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stevebakeryes, if you have a new test that you want to write then please raise a Wishlist bug in heat lp20:40
shardystevebaker: and we're tagging them with "tempest" right?20:40
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skraynev__stevebaker: so, May I ask to review again this ?)20:40
stevebakerskraynev__: the cause could be any one of: slow boot in nested virt, neutron connectivity, something else20:41
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stevebakershardy: yes, and tag it tempest20:41
shardystevebaker: Ok, thanks20:41
skraynev__stevebaker: something else - the best reason))20:42
stevebakerskraynev__: I just ran "check experimental" on that, lets see what happens20:42
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stevebaker#action Jan 27th Heat Tempest Awesome Fun Day20:43
stevebaker#topic autoscaling blueprints20:43
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skraynev__stevebaker: ok ,thanks20:43
radixI'm about to change a few of them to live beyond i-3: the AS-API client, and the resources that use it20:44
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radixStill going to have the in-process as-lib-based resources in this release, though20:44
stevebakerok, that sounds appropriate20:44
radixthat should alleviate the pressure a bit, while still giving us something useful for the icehouse release :)20:44
radixcyli (now here) and rockstar (not available for this meeting) are going to be working with me on it, so hello to them :)20:45
* cyli waves20:45
zanebcyli: o/20:45
shardycyli: welcome! :)20:45
cylithanks!  :D20:45
radixthat's all from me :)20:46
skraynev__cyli: hi)20:46
shardyradix: sounds good20:46
wirehead_They've been working on the Rackspace Otter side, so they should know the overall AutoScaling problems well. :)20:46
wirehead_Bonus points: Now you will be able to say that Heat is where the rockstar developers hack.20:46
radixheh heh20:46
stevebaker#topic Open Discussion20:47
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kbentonzaneb: can you chat about this?
zanebI haven't had the chance to look at the latest patch yet20:48
shardyoh wow, that's been around for a while ;)20:48
kbentonthe latest just removed the dependency thing that didn't end up helping20:48
kbentonotherwise still the same20:48
zanebbut suffice to say, this is doing all of the things we talked about _not_ doing at the exorcism session at summit ;)20:48
kbentonIf it doesn't merge or abandon soon, it will fall under jurisdiction of the historical society. :-)20:49
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kbentonI don't see any way to fix this connectivity dependency issue though.20:49
SpamapShey whats goign on with stack-convergence ?20:49
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zanebso it seems like there's still other issues with modelling existing stuff in Neutron that we haven't specifically identified yet20:50
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zanebnamely the RouterInterface thing20:50
zanebwhich should maybe just be a property on the Port?20:50
zanebit doesn't seem to correspond to an actual object in Neutron20:51
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kbentonDoesn't it correspond with the router port?20:51
kbentoner router interface20:51
zanebkbenton: is that something with a uuid that we could reference in the Route?20:52
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zanebin the code it does neutron().add_interface_router(router_id, {'port_id': port_id})20:54
kbentonzaneb: it is a heat resource. Doesn't that mean it could be referenced?20:54
radixSpamapS: hm, I'm curious about that too20:54
SpamapSI feel like it isn't going to get done.20:54
radixI haven't actually looked at it at all20:54
stevebakerzaneb: even if RouterInterface is deprecated now, the dependency workaround will still need to remain until it is deleted. Surely the Route review can continue on that basis20:54
zanebkbenton: no, not really20:54
SpamapSWhich is fine, but I think stack deployers will have a harder time managing long term stacks without it.20:55
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SpamapSand I need a related bug fixed (I call it a bug, might be a feature) where we need to be able to select individual members of an instance group for deletion before scale down.20:55
zanebstevebaker: I'm OK with a temporary workaround, but we need completely different properties on the Route IMO20:55
zanebstevebaker: right now it just takes an IP address, and it needs to take the ID of something20:56
shardySpamapS: I was discussing that feature with shadower today, I think we need a BP to track it20:56
zanebif that something is a Port and we need a temporary hack to get the RouterPort into the dependencies, that is OK20:57
SpamapSshardy: I linked a bug to stack-convergence20:57
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kbentonzaneb: it will still need to take the IP as well to address the issues i pointed out in the comments20:57
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zanebkbenton: I really don't see that issue as an obstacle20:57
SpamapSshardy: without that feature, stateful services simply cannot be managed as a group.20:57
stevebakerzaneb: it looks like nexthop could be an IP *or* the UUID of some neutron resource20:57
kbentonstevebaker: If it's a UUID, it has to unambiguously translate to an IP address because that's what neutron needs20:58
zanebstevebaker: that's not a long term fix, because just sticking an IP in there will never get the dependencies right20:58
stevebakerzaneb: maybe for a start nexthop could be IP only, then later a nexthop_type could be added for specifying different resources20:59
kbentonstevebaker: an a port does not unambigously translate to an IP20:59
stevebakerthen nexthop could be a UUID, not an IP20:59
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zanebkbenton: but we know that Neutron is just using the IP address as a key to look something else up. As long as that lookup is unambiguous, I don't care that the IP is ambiguous20:59
shardySpamapS: I think those bugs are a bit different to the as-choose-victim feature, but yeah all related20:59
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kbentonstevebaker: that's what zaneb was leaning towards but we cannot translate a UUID to an IP in all cases21:00
shardyout of time..21:00
stevebakeralso something to consider, does not having the dependency actually matter in this case? possibly the route can be established before the endpoint exists21:00
kbentonstevebaker: there is also the issue of using a device not managed by openstack as a nexthop21:00
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zanebkbenton -> #heat21:00
stevebakerlets to #heat21:00
kbentonstevebaker: ok21:00
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jd__#startmeeting Ceilometer21:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 15 21:01:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jd__. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'21:01
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jd__hi everyone21:02
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jd__#topic Milestone status icehouse-2 / icehouse-321:02
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jd__so icehouse-2 is going to be tagged next week, and bad news, I had to postpone a large portion of our blueprints21:02
eglynngood progress on
eglynnshould land in time21:03
jd__we definitely need all the code proposed by the end of the week now21:03
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jd__and we should take seriously some time to review21:03
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eglynnI'm hopefull I'll have in a position to bump back from i-3 to i-2 by EoD tmrw21:03
ildikov_we have a larger codebase for complex query:,n,z21:04
jd__as for icehouse-3, I'll have probably to cut some blueprint out as it seems unrealistic we implement everything in time at this stage21:04
eglynnI'll be in review-mode for a few days once I get that done21:04
ildikov_I will finish the doc by the end of this week, that will be the last patch, all the other part is ready, except one tiny python 2.6 issue in tests for the last patch21:04
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dragondm should be early i-321:04
gordcjd__: which blueprints are we looking to drop?21:05
jd__gordc: I don't know yet21:05
jd__gordc: though suggestions are welcome21:05
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eglynnjd__: is likely to be done by early/mid i-3 cycle?21:06
gordcjd__: cool cool, i can't really speak for any of them since i'm not assigned to any. guess we can follow up with assignees.21:06
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* eglynn asks as depends on it21:06
jd__eglynn: part of it, but while it progresses, it still progresses slowly21:06
eglynnjd__: cool enough21:06
jd__harlowja_away is helping yassine on tooz, but it definitely takes time21:06
dhellmannI suggest focusing reviews on changes associated with blueprints21:07
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dhellmannand leaving anything else for after the deadline21:07
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eglynndhellmann: +121:07
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herndonI think this BP is done, fyi:
ildikov_dhellmann: +121:07
eglynndhellmann: ... and i-2 bugs too, there are still 4 outstanding21:08
llu-laptopdhellmann: +121:08
dhellmanneglynn: yep21:08
ildikov_eglynn: +121:08
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eglynnare all 4 of likely to land in time?21:09
jd__herndon: great21:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1252988 in ceilometer "counter_volume did not represent duration for instance,network,port, subnet, router, " [Low,Confirmed]21:09
eglynn(... otherwise we should prolly think about bumping to i-3 also)21:09
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eglynn... i-3 is gonna be a chunky one ;)21:09
jd__eglynn: I don't think so, I should remove myself from those21:10
eglynnjd__: k21:10
nadya_I hope 1240474 will be approved21:10
llu-laptoppatch for bug 1260176 was already there for review21:10
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1260176 in ceilometer "different behavior of alarm creation on different DB backend" [Undecided,In progress]
lsmolallu-laptop, will this land in I2 ?21:10
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jd__unfortunately wanting to fix a bug and assigning it to me doesn't make me more time to do it :(21:11
eglynnif anyone else has bandwidth to grab one of those first two bugs mentioned (1252988 & 1244182), please knock yourself out!21:11
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jd__lsmola we  need to review I think21:11
llu-laptoplsmola: patches are already there. Just got some new reviewes, will address them today21:11
eglynnllu-laptop: it's on my list to review21:11
lsmolallu-laptop, excellent21:11
eglynnllu-laptop: (will do so tmrw)21:11
jd__clearly if you have spare time don't hesitate to ask for anything to do from bugs and blueprints :)21:11
jd__dkranz also wants us to check
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1268730 in ceilometer "ERRORs in ceilometer-acentral log after succesful tempest run" [High,Triaged]21:12
lsmolajd__, thanks, would be nice to have it, so we can implement it to tuskar in i321:12
jd__gordc started to do so, but we need to fix it somewhere21:12
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gordcjd__: i think i might have a solution for that one. not sure if it's the right solution... but it's a solution.21:13
jd__I may spend time tomorrow on it if nobody does as it seems important21:13
jd__gordc: please comment on the bug :)21:13
gordcjd__: will do.21:13
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jd__#topic Tempest integration21:14
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jd__any news on that nadya_ ?21:14
nadya_We still have not merged agent
nadya_the main update :)21:15
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jd__any blocker, or just missing reviews?21:15
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nadya_no blockers, need review21:15
jd__great :)21:15
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jd__anything to add on that anyone?21:15
eglynndkranz has +2'd it ...  which is a good start21:15
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nadya_and we started to implement
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eglynnwho else is a good tempest core to hit up fro reviews?21:16
nadya_to create tests for pollsters21:16
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nadya_we had even +2 from Sean Dague21:16
nadya_and one more thing21:17
eglynnnadya_: you may have to bust out your thumb-screws and pressurize the tempest cores into doing reviews a bit quicker21:17
dkranzI would ask sdague but know that he is in Montreal at the tempest/neutron thing21:17
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nadya_now we have updated client and several reviews are needed to be updated21:18
nadya_but all of them became abandoned21:18
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nadya_I'm afraid that people who started implementing tests decided to refuse from this ides21:18
dkranznadya_: There was a lot of confusion about what was ready for review.21:18
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dkranznadya_: I think it would help to send a message to the qa list identifying the reviews that are needed now, and ask21:19
nadya_dkranz, actually nothing else is ready as I know(21:19
dkranznadya_: I assumed from the complaint about speedy reviews...21:19
dkranzThe tempest team agreed two weeks ago to give high priority to heat and ceilometer tests21:20
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eglynndkranz: the point about tempest review turnaround speed may just have been /me jumping to conclusions21:20
eglynn(... so apols for casting aspertions!)21:20
dkranzeglynn: ok :)21:21
nadya_ok, so if I have no responses from change-request owners we will add our tests that were deleted from gerrit-reviews21:21
dkranzeglynn: After the attempts to review things that were not ready, we were waiting for some kind of go-ahead as to which were ready21:21
dkranzI think there will be fast response when that happens21:21
eglynndkranz: understood, thanks!21:21
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nadya_I think we need at least a small set of tests for i2, dkranz, is it possible yet? or too late?21:22
dkranznadya_: I don't know what the i2 date is but we should be able to review in a day once we are pointed to something.21:23
dkranzTHe gerrit ui makes it really hard to "find the ceilo patches"21:23
nadya_we had several ones on review along with client but deleted because of duplication21:23
nadya_yep, that's the truth :(21:23
dkranzThe tempest core team is a follow-the-sun group :)21:23
nadya_dkranz, ok, so we will keep in touch :) I think we may move on21:24
dragondmdkranz:,n,z ?21:24
dragondm(but, yah, the gerrit ui... could use work :P)21:25
dkranzdragondm: I meant in tempest...21:25
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dragondmdkranz: Ah, IC.21:25
dkranzdragondm: We need the latest version of gerrit which supports filename search21:26
nadya_project:openstack/tempest branch:master topic:bp/add-basic-ceilometer-tests21:26
dkranzBut no timetable for that yet.21:26
dragondmdkranz: yah. Some ability for extra tagging might be nice too :P21:26
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nadya_,n,z to be more hyperlinked21:27
nadya_jd__, ping :)21:27
jd__nadya_: ?21:27
jd__ah you're good sorry :)21:27
jd__#topic Release python-ceilometerclient?21:27
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eglynnherndon: anything else needed other than ?21:28
eglynn(... I thought thomasem might have something in the works around boxing off traits in the CLI output)21:28
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eglynn(... if not, I'll just go ahead and cut ceiloclient 1.0.9)21:28
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thomasemeglynn, Nope, nothing new. Only what was already in John's patch. :)21:28
jd__great then :)21:28
eglynnk, 1.0.9 1st thing tmrw then!21:29
herndonerr, one sec21:29
eglynnherndon: yep?21:29
herndoncurrent implementation is fine, but there is a bug in the event api that I am working on fixing, will require a new cut of the client.21:29
herndonI think it's ok to release it now, but there is one more patch coming :(21:29
eglynna-ha, k, wanna wait for that so?21:29
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herndonI don't really care, up to you21:30
herndonI was in the middle of writing the patch when I this meeting started21:30
eglynnherndon: k, I'll review the patch and if it looks like we can get it landed quickly then I'll wait21:30
herndonthat patch is to fix the server, still working on the client21:31
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jd__#topic Open discussion21:31
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eglynnherndon: fair enough, what's the approx ETA on the client patch?21:31
eglynn(... if the next day or 2, lets wait for it)21:31
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eglynnherndon: k, let's wait on that so21:31
eglynnherndon: thanks!21:32
jd__if you got anything else to bring, now is the moment folks21:32
eglynnapols, /me gotta run soon-ish ...21:32
tongli@jd__, if you can assign this blueprint to me, that will be great.21:32
jd__tongli: done!21:34
tongli@jd__, thanks.21:34
nadya_I'm working on aggregation blueprint and will create a first version of MySQL stuff. Want to invite everybode to mailing list [Ceilometer] Aggregation discussion21:34
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nadya_*will create on this week. because HBase implementation is hard to be tried21:35
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nadya_and we had a brainstorm about flattening metadata. but Im not ready to tell you everything in 2 a.m. :)21:37
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jd__we can't blame you :)21:38
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nadya_the main question for me: should we resolve or not21:38
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1268628 in ceilometer "recursive_keypairs doesn't throw 'separator' param to next iteration" [Undecided,New]21:38
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gordcnadya_: will try to add some comments later today21:39
nadya_thanks gordc!21:40
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jd__time to wrap up?21:40
nadya_may I try to ask?21:41
nadya_I've changed my mind, will ask in our channel, too technical question :)21:42
jd__your call! :)21:42
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jd__happy hacking fellow developers21:42
lsmolathanks everyone, have a good night21:42
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dragondmhave a good one, all!21:43
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ildikov_thanks, bye21:43
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eglynnnight all!21:44
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