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| loquacities | hey everyone, apac meeting starting in 5 mins in #openstack-meeting | 02:55 |
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| brucer | Hi loquacities! | 02:56 |
| loquacities | heya brucer | 02:57 |
| brucer | Now why do I think pancakes when I say that... | 02:57 |
| loquacities | gee, i wonder :P | 02:57 |
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| loquacities | do we have an slong? | 02:59 |
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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 03:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 03:01:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 03:01 |
| loquacities | hi everyone | 03:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 03:01 |
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| brucer | Hi there | 03:01 |
| _Alexandra_ | 'ola | 03:01 |
| loquacities | we don't seem to have slong, hopefully she'll join later :) | 03:01 |
| loquacities | #item Action items from the last meeting | 03:01 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:02 | |
| loquacities | forgot the right keyword :P | 03:02 |
| slong-afk | ola | 03:02 |
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| loquacities | oh hi slong! | 03:02 |
| loquacities | ok, there are a bunch of action items here, so let's go ... | 03:02 |
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| loquacities | nickchase talk with annegentle about a cross-project proposal for getting docs easier in | 03:03 |
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| loquacities | no idea what that's about | 03:03 |
| loquacities | nickchase to talk with annegentle about getting the blueprint approved and how to use it | 03:03 |
| loquacities | likewise | 03:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... | 03:03 |
| loquacities | anyone know anything about that? | 03:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | i do | 03:03 |
| loquacities | yay! | 03:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | the first one is putting a proposal together for a summit talk on how to reduce the barrier to entry with docs | 03:04 |
| loquacities | oh! that sounds good :) | 03:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems even experienced people take a while to catch on to all of our craziness | 03:04 |
| loquacities | heh, yep ;) | 03:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | second... we needed to get the install guide update blueprint approved. which is done. | 03:04 |
| loquacities | excellent! | 03:04 |
| loquacities | shall we move on, then | 03:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yes | 03:05 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am to update the work items in the blueprint | 03:05 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am? | 03:05 |
| loquacities | you're the man of the hour! | 03:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep, i figure out how to add items there | 03:05 |
| slong | Hi ddomingo :) | 03:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, through keys in my commit messages | 03:05 |
| ddomingo | hi slong | 03:05 |
| ddomingo | and everyone | 03:06 |
| loquacities | hi ddomingo :) | 03:06 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am propose 21:00 UTC on 2014-03-19 for Google Hangout on mailing list | 03:06 |
| brucer | hi ddomingo: | 03:06 |
| loquacities | i think you did that? | 03:06 |
| loquacities | did you get much response? | 03:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: i moved it to the 26th at 21:00 utc | 03:06 |
| loquacities | ok, cool | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | due to lack of response to the first round of e-mails | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | you... should see it in your email | 03:07 |
| * slong looks at calendar | 03:07 | |
| loquacities | excellent, thanks :) | 03:07 |
| brucer | 7am? | 03:07 |
| loquacities | yeah, it's early | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | 7 am for apac, 10 pm for eu | 03:07 |
| loquacities | i'll be able to make that | 03:07 |
| slong | yup, am there | 03:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | and right smack in the middle of my day here stateside :) | 03:07 |
| loquacities | not sure about everyone else, though | 03:07 |
| brucer | hour later would be good (ahem) | 03:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brucer: eu would drop off :/ | 03:08 |
| brucer | OK! | 03:08 |
| loquacities | yeah, i think it becomes a bit tricky | 03:08 |
| brucer | (I just might arrive snoring) | 03:08 |
| loquacities | propose talks at http://summit.openstack.org | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | we could do separate apac-us/eu-us meetings, but i think the point is to get all of us together at once | 03:08 |
| loquacities | it sounds to me as though we have a few proposals in now? | 03:09 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: +1 | 03:09 |
| slong | loquacities: is there a way to see the proposals? | 03:09 |
| loquacities | on the website, i think? | 03:09 |
| slong | loquacities: way too easy, will go scout. | 03:10 |
| loquacities | ok | 03:10 |
| loquacities | ok, on to action items from our last meeting: | 03:10 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am to add the image elements he is using to a wiki page, as the beginnings of an image library | 03:10 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: again! | 03:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i... did not do that. | 03:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | had enough trouble making the images :/ | 03:11 |
| loquacities | :( | 03:11 |
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| loquacities | heh, ok, let's add it to this meeting then so it doesn't get forgotten | 03:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think i sent a sample image to the list | 03:11 |
| loquacities | #action Sam-I-Am to add the image elements he is using to a wiki page, as the beginnings of an image library | 03:12 |
| loquacities | i don't remember seeing that :( | 03:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have a feeling the image library will wait until after the install guide... too much going on :/ | 03:12 |
| loquacities | yeah, that's cool | 03:12 |
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| loquacities | i don't mind rolling it over for a while | 03:12 |
| loquacities | loquacities and slong to organise an APAC f2f for 9 April at Red Hat | 03:12 |
| loquacities | so, slong, i think i stuffed up on dates | 03:12 |
| loquacities | the 9th isn't an APAC week | 03:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: 80872 has the proposed images | 03:12 |
| loquacities | so it should be the 16th, or the 2nd | 03:13 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: thanks! i'll take a look :) | 03:13 |
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| loquacities | the 16th is quite close to easter | 03:13 |
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| slong | Hmm | 03:14 |
| slong | Am fine with 16th | 03:14 |
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| loquacities | everyone else ok with the 16th? | 03:15 |
| brucer | I wont be here 16th | 03:15 |
| ddomingo | +1 to the 16th | 03:15 |
| dnavale | sounds good to me.. | 03:15 |
| brucer | but its OK if it suits majority. | 03:15 |
| _Alexandra_ | I'm good for that :) | 03:15 |
| brucer | Sam-I-Am: noob Q: what does 80872 has the proposed images refer to? | 03:16 |
| RobinJoe | Hello, I'm Joe - new tech writer: I can make the meeting for April 16 | 03:16 |
| loquacities | ok, i'm going to call that a quorum | 03:16 |
| slong | RobinJoe, you're in Brisbane? | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brucer: updating the architecture chapter of the install guide... hopefully standardizing on diagram formats | 03:16 |
| loquacities | slong: yep, he's one of mine :) | 03:16 |
| RobinJoe | Yes, Bne based : ) | 03:16 |
| slong | loquacities: so three from your team to attend? | 03:17 |
| loquacities | slong: that's right | 03:17 |
| slong | Just have to count the numbers for pizza :) | 03:17 |
| loquacities | can you make the pizza happen? | 03:17 |
| slong | yep :) | 03:17 |
| loquacities | yay! | 03:17 |
| loquacities | ok, finally ... | 03:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | guess i'm going to show up too | 03:17 |
| loquacities | loquacities to chase annegentle about core team changes | 03:17 |
| loquacities | which has actually been done | 03:17 |
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| loquacities | so congrats to Sam-I-Am and slong | 03:18 |
| loquacities | who are now core | 03:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | thx | 03:18 |
| loquacities | and me :) | 03:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | +2, i guess | 03:18 |
| slong | nice | 03:18 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: you'll be in brisbane? | 03:18 |
| slong | or eating virtual pizza? | 03:18 |
| brucer | congrats all | 03:18 |
| loquacities | thanks brucer | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: i'll fly there for free pizza :) | 03:19 |
| loquacities | LOL | 03:19 |
| loquacities | that's a long way to go for pizza ;) | 03:19 |
| sld | lol | 03:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | details. | 03:19 |
| ddomingo | the pizza here is THAT good | 03:19 |
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| martinlopes | lol | 03:19 |
| loquacities | ok, we're done with action items | 03:19 |
| loquacities | #topic Operations Guide schedule with O'Reilly | 03:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sounds like a round of edits now | 03:20 |
| loquacities | yeah, it should be close, i think | 03:20 |
| loquacities | #topic Design Summit proposal system now open, doc slots Tues-Wed. | 03:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Summit proposal system now open, doc slots Tues-Wed. (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:21 | |
| loquacities | so i guess if you want to submit something, now is the time | 03:21 |
| sld | as in...for atlanta? | 03:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 03:21 |
| loquacities | yeah, for the design summit | 03:21 |
| sld | ah | 03:21 |
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| loquacities | #topic Installation guide updates for Icehouse | 03:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation guide updates for Icehouse (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:22 | |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: did you want to give an update? | 03:23 |
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| sld | I've done some testing for the install guide and a lot of it is solid... thinking of waiting for final release of packages for further testing though. | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | i flattened the neutron sections | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | much more manageable now | 03:23 |
| loquacities | nice! | 03:24 |
| slong | congrats on that one, Sam-I-Am | 03:24 |
| loquacities | that must have been a lot of work :) | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | now i'm working on updating the architecture chapter to explain exactly what we expect people to use... and what services run where. | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, about 4 hours per section | 03:24 |
| loquacities | ouch >< | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | plenty o cruft | 03:24 |
| sld | Sam-I-Am: right on... I've seen a lot of different configurations and services split all over... funny what people try on their own. ;-) | 03:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | apparently there's an issue with svg-png conversion in maven which is messing my diagrams up | 03:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bug filed, awaiting a response | 03:25 |
| loquacities | hem, hopefully we can work around it | 03:25 |
| loquacities | hrm* | 03:25 |
| loquacities | stupid autocollect :P | 03:25 |
| _Alexandra_ | Hurrrrrr | 03:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | meanwhile, i'm starting work on the basic OS config section... more details about how to set up network interfaces, hosts files, etc. | 03:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | and still trying to test icehouse. milestone 3 on ubuntu works except security groups. packages on rhel are either not -3 or broken. | 03:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so... i still havent been able to build a working rhel box with icehouse and neutron/ml2 | 03:26 |
| sld | I have had luck with CentOS, but haven't tested RHEL. | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is actually scientific | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | but... same vintage | 03:27 |
| sld | tre | 03:27 |
| sld | true | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you get rdo -3 packages working? | 03:27 |
| sld | didn't know 3 was out already.... I tested with 2. | 03:27 |
| sld | I can try 3 either today or tomorrow. | 03:27 |
| slong | Sam-I-Am: was going to try 3 soon | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i couldnt get neutron to work with 2 | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | mucho database errors | 03:28 |
| slong | Sam-I-Am: same here with rdo 2 | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | more testers the merrier :) | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | things seem to change a bit between the milestones, so i've uploaded a few new patches to the guide for -3 | 03:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | like configuring mysql to default to utf-8 | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats a new one | 03:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | that's all from me | 03:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | trying to make some progress | 03:29 |
| loquacities | excelelnt | 03:30 |
| loquacities | thanks Sam-I-Am :) | 03:30 |
| loquacities | #topic Google Hangout | 03:30 |
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| loquacities | i think something on that has gone to the mailing list? | 03:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it should have | 03:31 |
| loquacities | cool | 03:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a place in the wiki to add topics | 03:31 |
| loquacities | final topic: | 03:31 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 03:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 03:31 | |
| loquacities | so we'll run with an f2f on 16 april | 03:31 |
| loquacities | other than that, does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? | 03:32 |
| slong | nope | 03:32 |
| loquacities | yay! | 03:32 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: anything else? | 03:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol, nope | 03:33 |
| loquacities | excellent, thanks for coming everyone :) | 03:33 |
| slong | thanks | 03:33 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 03:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 03:33:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-03-19-03.01.html | 03:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-03-19-03.01.txt | 03:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2014/docteam.2014-03-19-03.01.log.html | 03:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 03:34 |
| brucer | cheers | 03:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 15:01:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| BobBall | o/ | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | howdy people | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hows things? | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Just me today again I think! | 15:01 |
| leifz | I'm lurking. | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Well, I've got an orange and a can of diet coke | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | so that's got to be classified as "good" right? | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | any specific topics? | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | its almost time to gather summit like thoughts | 15:02 |
| BobBall | CI is broken :( | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh yeah | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| johnthetubaguy | the CI died :( nasty new features | 15:02 |
| BobBall | I'm going to blame Xavier Queralt for fixing a bug in tempest | 15:02 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78194/ | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, should we look at getting my change in htere? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Broke XenAPI and we urgently need John's change and mine | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | can we please exclude that test for now? | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | while we get this fixed? | 15:03 |
| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81497/1 | 15:03 |
| BobBall | I suppose we can now we know what's wrong | 15:03 |
| BobBall | let me exclude it now... hang on... | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | you have tabs in there by the way | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I just uploaded one without the tabs?? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | damn :P | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | excluded. | 15:05 |
| BobBall | Next tempest runs won't try it | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I suppose I should re-run the failed jobs | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 15:05 |
| BobBall | What do you think we should do there? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | re-running failed jobs will push them all on the queue and slow down results for new jobs | 15:05 |
| BobBall | until the queue is drained | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sweet | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… fixing it | 15:06 |
| BobBall | so should I re-run them and delay results for new tests? | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like its those two changes | 15:06 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:07 |
| BobBall | what's you change? | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets link them here | 15:07 |
| BobBall | oh - I linked to patch #1 of mine | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | that's why you saw tabs :) | 15:07 |
| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81497/5 | 15:07 |
| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81252/ | 15:07 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: can you update yours to say partial-bug rather than closes-bug? | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | erm, well it closes the bug from a nova perspective, probably just need to reword the bug | 15:08 |
| BobBall | I've added devstack to the list | 15:08 |
| BobBall | in the bug | 15:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, OK, so its closes-bug then? from a nova point of view? | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | yes, but closes-bug assumes that it's the only part of the bug | 15:09 |
| BobBall | which it isn't | 15:09 |
| BobBall | which is why both changes need partial-bug | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | erm… but it would be close form Nova, its independent for each project, so it leaves devstack open till it closes | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | there isn't another nova patch, as far as we know, is what I mean | 15:10 |
| BobBall | Oh, ok. I thought that closes-bug be the whole bug | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | only on a per project, seems independent | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | fine | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | Then can you remove your -1 and poke Matt until he agrees so we can get it in? | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can try, will ask the other cores over here to take a look at least | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | I meant agrees to remove his -1 | 15:12 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, we should be good, assuming that all works | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ? | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | Well I've already excluded the test | 15:13 |
| BobBall | so that should mean we're ok from that perspective | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | true true | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | I've now re-queued all of the failed tests in the last 24 hours | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | nice, thank you | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on CI? | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | nah guess not | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno Summit | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyone got things to raise this time? | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should start and etherpad again... | 15:17 |
| BobBall | no - too early | 15:17 |
| BobBall | too many other things going on ATM - can't think about Juno! | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:18 | |
| johnthetubaguy | Any other issues? | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any rc1 looking bugs? | 15:18 |
| BobBall | no, don't think so | 15:18 |
| BobBall | I think we're generally good ATM | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | likewise from what I can see at the moment | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | are we all done then? | 15:19 |
| BobBall | think so | 15:20 |
| BobBall | oh | 15:20 |
| BobBall | will probably have to rebuild CI soon | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | why is that? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | I'd built it with the smallest flavor thinking "it's not doing much" | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah | 15:20 |
| BobBall | but it's run out of the 512M ram ;) | 15:20 |
| BobBall | heavily into swap now | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | is it standard flavor? | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | don't remember | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | snapshot then rebuild, or resize it if its standard | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | its standard if its 512, so just resize it | 15:21 |
| BobBall | seems that nodepool is using 50% of the memory(!) pretty huge | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | wow | 15:22 |
| BobBall | I've got a script that'll rebuild it | 15:22 |
| BobBall | so the only thing we'd lose is queue state | 15:22 |
| BobBall | unless I update it to copy the DB cross rebuilds | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | in which case we'd just lose gerrit stream watching for 30 minutes or so | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, but snapshot then rebuild and you don't loose the queue right? | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | or just resize | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, good to test your script! | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | assuming its in a git repo somewhere | 15:23 |
| BobBall | dunno what I'll do - I'll figure it out. | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, any more for any more? | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | (note resize can be quite slow) | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks bob | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:24 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 15:24:22 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-03-19-15.01.html | 15:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-03-19-15.01.txt | 15:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-03-19-15.01.log.html | 15:24 |
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| jgriffith | ok | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | now that I'm in the correct channel :) | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 16:02:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| avishay | :) | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:02 |
| avishay | hello | 16:02 |
| winston-d | o/ | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hi all | 16:02 |
| ameade | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Howdy all. | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | Let's get to it | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | Is there anybody from ProphetStor with us today? | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | hmmm... that's disappointing I had asked Steven to join us | 16:03 |
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| jgriffith | let's come back to that topic | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #topic bug-status | 16:03 |
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| bswartz | hi | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | We have a couple unassigned to start with | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: you around? | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to understand more of th expectations/desires on #1289931 | 16:04 |
| jgriffith | I believe we all agreed that we should force same type only on clone and create from snap | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | Then use retype if one wishes to change it | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | But I haven't looked at the problem that guitarzan seems to have here with the None type | 16:05 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1289931 | 16:05 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1289931 in cinder "Can't restore volume to a different type than the snapshot" [High,New] | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | Does anybody have some detail on this? | 16:05 |
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| jgriffith | hmmm... ok | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | seems I'm not getting anywhere on that | 16:06 |
| avishay | jgriffith: there were two issues in one bug | 16:06 |
| avishay | jgriffith: one is the DB migration, which should be fixed | 16:06 |
| avishay | jgriffith: the second is that clone was ignoring the requested volume type, we should outright return error if it doesn't match what we want | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: right | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I *thought* I submitted a patch for that last part | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | anyway | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | I've assigned it to myself and will look at fixing the migration | 16:08 |
| avishay | jgriffith: you may have, i don't remember | 16:08 |
| avishay | jgriffith: cool | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | I'm still of the opinion that keeping the type is the right behavior here | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | ie requiring same type | 16:08 |
| avishay | yup | 16:08 |
| bswartz | no disagreement here | 16:09 |
| winston-d | i agree | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Ok... next thing I'd like to talk about in terms of bugs | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | We're in that mode where it seems like a lot of folks submitted their code at the last minute and are now madly filing bugs | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | not cool | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | The other thing that's not cool is adding your bugs to the milestone target yourself | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | particularly without notifying anybody on the core team or me :) | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | anyway... it's time to get picky about what we target | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | also, not being targetted doesn't mean it won't be reviewed/merged | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | It just means it's not blocking the release | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | At this point I don't see any third party driver as blocking release | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | make sense? | 16:11 |
| hemna | any idea when we might cut RC1 ? | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: next week | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Oh, I was adding some RC1 targets. Didn't realize that could block the release. Sorry. | 16:12 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: I thought only a core could assign something to a milestone | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yeah, anything that's listed as targetted for RC1 means RC1 is dependent on it | 16:12 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 bugs are for bugs, not code that wasn't done until the last minute. | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | and thus is a "blocker" | 16:12 |
| avishay | makes sense | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Thanks for the education. I won't do that any more than. :-) | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | kk | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | hehe | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | So we really need to be focused on the core stuff at this point | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | and there's no shortage there | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | I'm also fine with post-targetting | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | The only things I see as blockers right now: | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | Possibly the one we discussed regarding snapshot volume-types | 16:14 |
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| avishay | The DB migration definitely | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | and this one: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1289931 | 16:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1289931 in cinder "Can't restore volume to a different type than the snapshot" [High,New] | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | grrr | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | wrong link | 16:14 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: you can't duplicate it? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1294724 | 16:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1294724 in cinder "c-api and c-vol emmit tons of oslo.messaging ERRORs on successful test runs" [Undecided,New] | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: honestly I haven't tried yet :( | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: but I will | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: I just wanted to talk to you about it | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: understood | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: because I know you seemed to want the ability to cast to new types | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | well, it's just a regression from grizzly | 16:15 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: but that's very troubling to do that | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | or rather, more strict behavior | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: yeah | 16:16 |
| guitarzan | I understand how you guys feel about types | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: but TBH it was a bug in Grizzly | 16:16 |
| guitarzan | but you won't tie types to backends, so I'm at a loss | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: it should've never been allowed because in many config it won't work | 16:16 |
| hemna | hrmm the errors in that log are nova | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | hemna: haha | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | hemna: That's what I first said too... but they're not | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | hemna: look at c-api log | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | hemna: it's the oslo-messaging | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: it's a bit of a train wreck | 16:17 |
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| hemna | goosh | 16:17 |
| hemna | ok I see those | 16:17 |
| hemna | pain | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | I started looking this morning... but frankly it's a mess | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | I was hoping flaper87|afk might be around to look/help since it's his work | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | I hate to just revert that change but that's what I'm leaning towards if I don't figure out something better by this afternoon | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | These OSLO syncs are proving to be pretty high risk | 16:18 |
| hemna | :( | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | and causing strange funky behaviors | 16:19 |
| hemna | that's not a good trend | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | hemna: nope, it's not :( | 16:19 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yea, oslo message has been pretty rough | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | anybody else have anything on bugs? | 16:19 |
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| winston-d | thingee: you just fixed one of the bug it brought in | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | FYI I plan to remove the bulk of the driver related bugs from the milestone target | 16:20 |
| winston-d | +1 | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | kk | 16:20 |
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| thingee | winston-d: which in fairness was just making a unit test complex. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | If you have something that's not there that you think should be (NOT 3'rd party driver related) let me know | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Let's go to my next topic that I'm dieing to talk about :) | 16:21 |
| hemna | heh | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | #topic items to punt to Juno (immediate -2) | 16:21 |
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| * avishay sets up the goal | 16:21 | |
| avishay | punt away | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | If you see any of these "python 3" etc patches at this point -2 them right away | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | The same holds true for any more oslo syncs unless they are addressing a specific known bug that Cinder is encountering | 16:22 |
| hemna | jgriffith, ok | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | Seem reasonable to everybody? | 16:22 |
| eharney | i think so | 16:23 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: same goes for adding tox rules and stuff like that? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | I understand there might be special cases but in general | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I think so yes | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | I see no value in those things | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. | 16:24 |
| winston-d | yeah, anything cosmetic | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | Honestly we should be using the same criteria that we use for backports at this point | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | or at least very close to it | 16:24 |
| hemna | +1 | 16:24 |
| avishay | sounds good | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | Ok | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Makes sense. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | anybody have anything they want to add on that topic? | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Oh, I had a question. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: go for it | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Do we have a way of tracking the items that we have -2'd to hold for Juno? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | So we ca go back and clean those up? | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: other than the comments in the review no | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you can do gerrit queries on the -2 | 16:26 |
| hemna | I don't think there is a process for that other than reading the comments really. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | hemna: +1 | 16:26 |
| eharney | the important ones should have bugs or blueprints anyway | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1 | 16:26 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Ok. Was just checking. I made a note in one the other day and -2'd it. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Just wanted to make sure there wasn't something else I needed to do. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Yeah... LP is our friend here | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | It doesn't seem that people submit without a bug or bp very often any more | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | so we should be ok | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | and honestly if they care enough they'll be back | 16:28 |
| eharney | in LP, next = Juno for now? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: that's what I've been doing | 16:28 |
| eharney | k | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: or just leave untargetted | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: then when juno opens I'll start triaging them again | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | I assume we are REQUIRING a bug for any patches being sent at this point. Correct? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: uhhh yeah | 16:28 |
| hemna | heheh yah I would hope so. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: That's what my whole topic was here :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: read your scroll-back for more detail :) | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Well, good, we are talking the same language. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: hehe | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, it was a silly question. Just stating it. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | ok... shall we move on to jungleboyj 's topic on CI? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: no silly questions | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I mean "There are No" | 16:29 |
| * jungleboyj laughs | 16:30 | |
| jgriffith | Better to ask and make sure we're all on the same page than risk confusion | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | I found that out last week. ;-) | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Ok... moving on | 16:30 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: thingee any updates minimum driver requirements for juno? #link https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/doc/source/devref/drivers.rst managed/unmanage? retype? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | #topic CI for cinder cert | 16:30 |
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| hemna | ooh | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so, I have been getting some questions on this topic from my driver developers here. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | I don't know if this is a huge thing to discuss right now or something to discuss at the Summit. | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: we usually give one release to catch up | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: and I'm still trying to kill that whole thing | 16:32 |
| thingee | kmartin: those aren't core api features, so no. | 16:32 |
| hemna | cool | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: and have things implcit based on tempest tests | 16:32 |
| avishay | yea i would put either for required, ever | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Just wondering how serious we are about doing CI for the driers in Juno and if so, then we need to start putting some definition around the expectations for how it will work. | 16:32 |
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| kmartin | ok | 16:32 |
| hemna | lol | 16:32 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, thingee had a patch that tried to explain it all | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: that's diff | 16:33 |
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| hemna | but I think we are holding off on it for Juno to start no? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I think jungleboyj is referring to the 3'rd party gating stuff | 16:33 |
| avishay | there was the wiki page | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: no? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hemna, Yeah, I know what youa re talking about. I am talking about having the 3rd party tests. | 16:33 |
| thingee | hemna: I gave up on that patch. I'm fine with it being in the wiki. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Right, the automatic run of the certifiation. | 16:33 |
| hemna | gah ok. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | #link http://www.joinfu.com/2014/02/setting-up-an-openstack-external-testing-system-part-2/ | 16:34 |
| hemna | I'm not sure anyone reads the wiki, but ok. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | hemna, :-) Even scarier issue. | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | I haven't had much input on making this mandatory | 16:34 |
| * jungleboyj uses the wiki. :-) | 16:34 | |
| hemna | huh | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Hoping to see peer pressure take over here and make people just want to opt in | 16:34 |
| hemna | so making a jenkins slave available for cinder driver testing against real h/w ? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | Ok... I obviously don't know what jungleboyj and hemna are talkign about :) | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:35 |
| hemna | goosh | 16:35 |
| hemna | heh good luck with that | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ok :) | 16:35 |
| hemna | I seriously doubt that HP would allow that for us. :( | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | so that's now what we're talkign about | 16:35 |
| avishay | hemna: why? | 16:35 |
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| avishay | nova does it | 16:35 |
| * avishay ducks | 16:35 | |
| bswartz | ^ NetApp is going to do this | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: maybe you could clarify what your point was here? | 16:36 |
| hemna | I'd love to do it | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | Let's table that for now | 16:36 |
| hemna | but that opens up a whole can of IT/security worms that I have zero control over. | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. The main concerns here were what is the timeframe. How reliable do the 3rd party servers have to be to run the tests. What does it mean if the patch fails on a 3rd party test? | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Those sorts of things. | 16:36 |
| bswartz | hemna: run it in the cloud | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | hemna: it's a push, not a pull | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: wait... back up | 16:36 |
| hemna | I was actually looking at setting this up internally | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: so you are talking about the link I just sent? Third party CI environment? | 16:36 |
| hemna | against our own internal CI system we have in place | 16:37 |
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| hemna | because even internally we don't have our arrays available except in my own lab | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: ??? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Yes. | 16:37 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: I think the 3rd party tests woudl be non-voting | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Ok | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | So here's my take on that | 16:37 |
| bswartz | so if they're flaky it's not the end of the world | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | I love the idea | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Great. | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | I tihnk it's great if everyone does it | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz, That would be good. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to talk about it at the summit | 16:38 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | I am not interested in making it mandatory today | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, +2 | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | but I think it's going to get to that point | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Talking K release maybe, or L? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Honestly I have other ideas like "removing 3'rd party drivers from cinder/trunk" altogether | 16:38 |
| hemna | I can at least start the discussion internally here and see if we can do it. | 16:38 |
| hemna | ! | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna, That is why I brought it up. | 16:39 |
| guitarzan | that's a very interesting idea | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: I've tried it before and failed miserably | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | IBM is willing to investigate it and do it but we need to start planning money/hardware. | 16:39 |
| avishay | jgriffith: not a bad idea | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | We have done it for DB2. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, How would they be removed? | 16:39 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, same here. We'd have to dedicate a few servers and arrays in order to do it. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: so they'd become external libs | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Interesting. | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: and we'd have to have some pretty strict interface compat checking in the code | 16:40 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: there is a setup for doing it with Nova for PowerKVM | 16:40 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: cd cinder/volume; rm -rf drivers; git commit -a :) | 16:40 |
| hemna | oh man, I think that opens up a big can of worms. | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | avishay, :-p | 16:41 |
| avishay | this was brought up for grizzly too, and voted down | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I'd argue that if you look at the bulk of commits this cycle it would actually be less a can of worms :) | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: yeah... I'm certain it'll be squashed | 16:41 |
| guitarzan | there's not a lot of difference in being out of tree and the current situation | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | anyway... it's not really relevant right now | 16:41 |
| hemna | well I think it opens up cinder to even more driver feature fragmentation. | 16:41 |
| avishay | but yea, it's a huge waste of time for core members | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: except I don't have to review your code and triage your bugs :) | 16:42 |
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| guitarzan | jgriffith: right, that's both good and bad | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: indeed | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | double-edged sword | 16:42 |
| guitarzan | you're probably right that folks will balk at it | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith, So, the net sounds like: This isn't going to be required for Juno, we are going to start talking about it and we will discuss it further at the Summit to get started. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: I'm sure they will... but I'm going to propose we're more strict on driver churn | 16:42 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: or go the opposite way and say "buyer beware" | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: don't know which topic you're on | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: yeah | 16:43 |
| guitarzan | ci for 3rd party is definitely not required | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, Sorry, for the CI topic. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: it's not required right now on | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | no | 16:43 |
| guitarzan | right | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, /3rd party test. | 16:43 |
| thingee | jgriffith: if we can setup a google doc or something on the communication. I would like to take our approach like we did with driver requirements and reach out to maintainers very early. like now | 16:43 |
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| avishay | i don't think many people would be interested in a storage product with a big "buyer beware" sticker on it | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | thingee: not sure what you have in mind? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | thingee: I mean, sure... | 16:44 |
| guitarzan | avishay: then that vendor better make sure it works | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | thingee: any communication is good and the earlier the better | 16:44 |
| thingee | oh *not* required in juno | 16:44 |
| thingee | hmm | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | just not sure which topic you're referring to | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Ohhhhh | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | I'm with ya now | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | So I think we should sort this after Icehouse gets closed up | 16:45 |
| avishay | guitarzan: but it's still a part of cinder - we need CI for all drivers IMO to guarantee as much as possible that cinder works - all of it - including drivers | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: I tend to agree with you | 16:45 |
| guitarzan | avishay: I think that's a pipe dream, but it'd be nice | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: it may be, but honestly if you can't do it then you're out of tree IMHO | 16:45 |
| avishay | guitarzan: i agree, but who knows | 16:45 |
| hemna | I dunno, I think there is a benefit to the community when we review driver code. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | avishay, I agree. Just need to get the company planning ahead appropriately and not panicking | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | but again, I don't think we need or should debate it today | 16:45 |
| guitarzan | nova is going that way, but they only have a small handful of drivers | 16:45 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: yup | 16:45 |
| eharney | hemna: i agree | 16:45 |
| thingee | In general, we have found with people running the cert tests that it did reveal bugs. If anything, I'm really proud of some maintainers for making things more stable on their end. | 16:46 |
| hemna | and it helps stabilize cinder in general. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: that's a different topic again :) | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee, +2 | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | hemna: but I would argue that your conclusion is false | 16:46 |
| hemna | I'm not afraid of driver 'churn' or people working on drivers. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | Ok... we've got multiple topics being discussed at once | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | and we're rat-holing a bit | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | wheeeee | 16:47 |
| thingee | 13 mins | 16:47 |
| thingee | no pressure | 16:47 |
| avishay | OK, let's leave it for a design summit topic | 16:47 |
| hemna | heh ok | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | avishay, +2 | 16:47 |
| * eharney would also like more clarification later about the churn issue | 16:47 | |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | anybody from prophetstor yet? | 16:47 |
| avishay | We still have profitstor on the agenda | 16:47 |
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| * jungleboyj is very likely to be there. | 16:47 | |
| thingee | avishay: heh profit | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | haha... oops | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | he he | 16:47 |
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| avishay | thingee: that's what i would call it | 16:47 |
| hemna | I guess no profits today. | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | #topic prophetstor driver | 16:48 |
| avishay | profit$tor | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks all for that discussion by the way! | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | Ok... | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | So here's the background | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | they submitted a bp way way back | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | but no activity | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | they did provide updates to Thierry that they were working it | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | but didn't get anything posted or communicate with me until right before FFE | 16:49 |
| hemna | when was the bp targeted I1, I2, I3 ? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I initially told them I'm fine with the base volume-driver | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: all fo the above | 16:49 |
| hemna | lol | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: landed at I3 | 16:49 |
| avishay | hah | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | The problem I have is they've been unresponsive | 16:49 |
| kmartin | does it pass the driver cert test? | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | I sent them an email last week-end asking them to attend this meeting to discuss why they should get an exception for Icehouse | 16:50 |
| hemna | jgriffith, well that says everything right there then doesn't it? | 16:50 |
| thingee | and it's obviously not that important if no rep is present in this meeting today | 16:50 |
| hemna | -2 -> Juno | 16:50 |
| guitarzan | I think kmartin has the better point | 16:50 |
| guitarzan | this shouldn't be about ego imo | 16:50 |
| avishay | i see cert test results in the commit message | 16:50 |
| avishay | but they fail :( | 16:50 |
| hemna | oopsie | 16:51 |
| guitarzan | rats, but then I can't get them to all pass on lvm ;) | 16:51 |
| kmartin | all the other drivers went though the test, they should as well. | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | ok | 16:51 |
| hemna | kmartin, +1 | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds like it should move to Juno. | 16:51 |
| avishay | agreed | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | Juno it is | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | That's all I have | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | I think I supported thingee s comment on that in the review. :-) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:51 |
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| kmartin | agreed, juno or get the cert test to pass within the next day or so | 16:52 |
| thingee | jgriffith: I think you've been generous enough to bring it up. I think it's fine to punt. | 16:52 |
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| avishay | thingee: +1 | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | cool... I just want to make sure I'm being fair | 16:52 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | and that I consult the whole team | 16:52 |
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| * thingee is that guy | 16:52 | |
| jungleboyj | :-) Is it a democracy? | 16:52 |
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| guitarzan | jungleboyj: no, it's an echo chamber :) | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:53 |
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| hemna | chamber, chamber, chamber.... | 16:53 |
| * jungleboyj now knows to pay off thingee instead of jgriffith | 16:53 | |
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| jungleboyj | guitarzan, Better than a gas chamber. | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | Ok... seems like we're good | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | Hollar if you have questions | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith, +1 Good meeting! | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone! | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 16:54:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-03-19-16.02.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-03-19-16.02.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-03-19-16.02.log.html | 16:54 |
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| avishay | bye all! | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: it's been a while since I "end meeting" | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | avishay: lates | 16:54 |
| kmartin | lol | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | bye. | 16:55 |
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| hartsocks | meeting in here in a couple minutes … | 16:58 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 17:00:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | greetings stackers! | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | Who's around? | 17:00 |
| browne | hi | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/VMwareAPI | 17:00 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Icehouse_Release_Schedule | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | browne: and me? | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | that's it? | 17:01 |
| browne | apparently just us | 17:01 |
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| hartsocks | Ah, folks must be heads down. | 17:01 |
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| garyk | hi | 17:01 |
| tjones | hi | 17:02 |
| arosen1 | hi :) | 17:02 |
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| garyk | what a pleasant suprise :) | 17:03 |
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| tjones | hartsocks: i know can we spend some time on #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 | 17:04 |
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| tjones | s/i know// | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | tjones: go for it :-) | 17:04 |
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| tjones | ok we need to have our bugs merged by monday 12pm UTC. we have 5 bugs on here and i know we are making progress - but i just want to reiterate (again) that the deadline is monday | 17:05 |
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| tjones | hartsocks: im done | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | really? | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | :-) | 17:05 |
| tjones | :-D | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | (That was short) | 17:06 |
| tjones | im a person of few words | 17:06 |
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| garyk | i think that the gate is broken. patches approved from yesterday are failing | 17:06 |
| tjones | crap | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | :-/ | 17:06 |
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| hartsocks | Well, between a broken gate and the icehouse-rc1 list I don't think we should divide our focus right now. | 17:08 |
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| hartsocks | We *could* talk about Juno-1 blueprints but I'd rather idle on that for 7 days and let the next deadline get sewn up. | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | Any objections? | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | (I'm asking if anyone has a problem with ending the meeting *super* early.) | 17:09 |
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| tjones | not me | 17:09 |
| browne | nope | 17:10 |
| ssurana | nope | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | cool. | 17:10 |
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| garyk | should we talk about icehouse testing? | 17:11 |
| hartsocks | Everyone should be working off this list: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/icehouse-rc1 … next week we can chat about Juno blueprints. | 17:11 |
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| garyk | we should try and get as much coverage as possible before releasing the version | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:11 |
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| hartsocks | garyk: sorry. lag. | 17:11 |
| garyk | np, just want to try and make sure that we are testing now. | 17:12 |
| tjones | im not sure ryan and srreeram are on today | 17:12 |
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| hartsocks | so maybe we can invite them in for next time? | 17:13 |
| garyk | i think that we should also lend a hand. the more stuff we can iron out and harden now the better | 17:13 |
| tjones | we can organize another break-a-thon | 17:13 |
| garyk | yeah, that would be a great idea | 17:13 |
| tjones | i'd like it better organized that last time | 17:13 |
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| tjones | since i organized it i can say that | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | can we open this to the public or is this a "vmware club members only" thing still? | 17:14 |
| garyk | it should most certainly be public | 17:14 |
| tjones | it can be anyone | 17:14 |
| hartsocks | cool. | 17:14 |
| tjones | in fact should be | 17:14 |
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| tjones | ideas on how to organize better? | 17:15 |
| garyk | i think a wiki on openstack - maybe we can try and list tests cases | 17:16 |
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| hartsocks | Well, I don't know if you want to go to the ML or just announce links in here or #openstack-nova | 17:16 |
| garyk | the fedora examples were great. basically it gave people a list of things to do. | 17:16 |
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| tjones | yes - that is what i was thinkging | 17:16 |
| tjones | garyk: can you find that link again? | 17:17 |
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| browne | so should https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1289627 be on the RC1 list since we talked about backporting to havana | 17:17 |
| browne | ok, who should mark it? | 17:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1289627 in nova "VMware NoPermission faults do not log what permission was missing" [Low,Fix committed] | 17:17 |
| tjones | they will accept things not in rc1 until monday | 17:18 |
| garyk | tjones: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-02_OpenStack | 17:18 |
| tjones | we just need to get core reviewers to take a look (assumingit is ready) | 17:18 |
| tjones | thanks garyk - this is great | 17:19 |
| garyk | browne: in general low bugs are not backported to the stable versions. | 17:19 |
| tjones | garyk: this is a real debuggability thing | 17:19 |
| garyk | browne: when it is approved we can do the backport and try and justify why it is valuable | 17:19 |
| tjones | would have saved us 8 hours at a customer site last week | 17:19 |
| browne | ok | 17:19 |
| garyk | tjones: agreed, but we just need to justify to the reviewers of the stable branch | 17:19 |
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| browne | tjones: could use some reviews first | 17:19 |
| tjones | garyk: ok ;-) | 17:19 |
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| tjones | so i can take a stab at putting the wiki together for test day - but i'll need other peoples input too | 17:20 |
| garyk | tjones: i'll be happy to help out | 17:20 |
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| tjones | thanks garyk - and we won't do it on a friday | 17:21 |
| tjones | which for some reason is always my 1st inclination | 17:21 |
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| browne | for the wiki, might be good to allow people to choose which area they will focus on. that way everyone is not testing the same thing | 17:21 |
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| tjones | we have cinder, glance, and nova. not everyone is able to test neutron… arosen1 can you help with info for people who can test neutron? | 17:22 |
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| arosen1 | tjones: sure if there are questions. | 17:23 |
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| browne | even within nova, you might want someone to focus on image cache, volume attach,etc | 17:23 |
| tjones | arosen1: i mean filling out a section in the wiki on testing neutron | 17:23 |
| tjones | browne: yes absolutely | 17:23 |
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| arosen1 | tjones: I'll take a look. can you link me. | 17:24 |
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| tjones | i have started the wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VMWareAPI/TestDay with just name/email of people who can help with perparing it. Im assuming there are folks here that are not from vmware (hoping) | 17:25 |
| tjones | if you can help - please add your irc, email, and area you can help with | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | cool. I look forward to seeing that happen. | 17:26 |
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| browne | i'll definitely try to help where i can | 17:26 |
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| hartsocks | tjones: Maybe hit up the ML too since some people actually pay attention to those things apparently. | 17:27 |
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| tjones | hartsocks: will do | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | Okay. So, anything else? | 17:28 |
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| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 17:29:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-03-19-17.00.html | 17:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-03-19-17.00.txt | 17:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-03-19-17.00.log.html | 17:29 |
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| hartsocks | woo! first time ending early *ever* | 17:31 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | no FWaaS meeting today | 18:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 18:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 19 19:00:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
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| acoles- | here | 19:00 |
| cschwede_ | here :) | 19:00 |
| * creiht enters triumpantly from the north | 19:00 | |
| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
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| * creiht also can't spell | 19:01 | |
| torgomatic | hey | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | creiht: figuratively or are you not in San Antonio right now? | 19:01 |
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| creiht | heh | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | ('cause SA is south of just about everyone else here) | 19:02 |
| creiht | was just thinking we should have meetings in a MUD :) | 19:02 |
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| portante | here | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | it's dark and you're likely to be eaten by a grue | 19:02 |
| creiht | notmyname: that's IF, not a MUD :) | 19:02 |
| creiht | anyways... | 19:03 |
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| creiht | :) | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:03 |
| notmyname | not a ton on the agenda this week, so maybe short (?) | 19:03 |
| notmyname | #topic storage policies | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | first up, a status update on storage policies | 19:04 |
| notmyname | lot's of people have been working on it | 19:04 |
| notmyname | great working being done | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | but not done yet | 19:04 |
| notmyname | and not really any way to safely get it into master with enough testing/docs/etc before Icehouse | 19:04 |
| notmyname | so here's what that means: | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | Icehouse will be Swift 1.13.1 or 1.14.0 and not include the functionality currently on the feature/ec branch | 19:05 |
| notmyname | and we'll cut that later this month, probably. (maybe first week of April) | 19:05 |
| notmyname | and for storage policies, here's the plan to get it on master: | 19:06 |
| notmyname | take the functionality that's been written and refactor it into more logical commits and propose them to master | 19:06 |
| * clayg hopes the second step is ??? | 19:06 | |
| notmyname | this should give us 8-10 patches or so that can be reviewed sanely and so everyone can see what's happening there | 19:07 |
| torgomatic | lol @ clayg | 19:07 |
| notmyname | and those will land after the Swift 1.next tag point | 19:07 |
| * clayg notes torgomatic did NOT l*OL* for the record | 19:07 | |
| creiht | haha | 19:08 |
| * clayg hopes step 3 is profit | 19:08 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic is currently taking the lead on refactoring the git history for that work | 19:08 |
| creiht | loloti | 19:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: then we land it all on amster and profit! | 19:08 |
| creiht | lol on the inside | 19:08 |
| portante | amsterdam | 19:08 |
| notmyname | portante: brussels | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | any questions on what's happening with storage policies? I'll be putting that into (probably long) prose and sending it to the openstack-dev mailing list later this week | 19:09 |
| clayg | does anyone have any idea how we should do the reviews? Or basically the same plan as normal? | 19:09 |
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| creiht | notmyname: I think that is a good call | 19:09 |
| creiht | I know a tough decision | 19:09 |
| clayg | I think some are going to be sorta smallish and trival, others will probably require some thought if you don't know much about sp or the final end state | 19:10 |
| notmyname | indeed :-) | 19:10 |
| portante | I'd like to see us consider code coverage in the reviews in general | 19:10 |
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| portante | and treat storage policies as no different | 19:10 |
| notmyname | creiht: it's really the only way to be good citizens to the rest of the contributing community and the user base | 19:10 |
| cschwede_ | portante: you mean there are some tests missing in sp? | 19:11 |
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| portante | we also want to clearly document up front what all the patches are that make up storage policies so that mid-stream of patches landing we folks know the tree is functional, but not feature complete for sp | 19:11 |
| clayg | cschwede_: I think func test coverage of multiple policies is light | 19:11 |
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| clayg | cschwede_: otoh you could swift your default policy to 1 and now functests coverage for storage policies is AWESOME | 19:12 |
| portante | cschwede_: I am not sure, but would like to think we can mitigate the impact of code changes by raising the bar on coverage, both for unit tests and the functional tesse | 19:12 |
| portante | tests | 19:12 |
| cschwede_ | clayg: nice way to increase coverage ;-) | 19:12 |
| clayg | yay moar tests! | 19:12 |
| cschwede_ | portante: +1! | 19:13 |
| * torgomatic is all for more testing | 19:13 | |
| notmyname | portante: yup. and that's a more general thing that I'd like to see us all focus more on for the rest of the year (regardless of storage policies) | 19:13 |
| * clayg was sorta under the impression we kinda had ok coverage as far as opensource/stack projects go | 19:13 | |
| portante | great | 19:13 |
| portante | we do, but I think dfg's concerns about code churn can be mitigate in part by raising that bar further | 19:13 |
| creiht | clayg: we do, but we also have some pretty important gaps | 19:14 |
| notmyname | clayg: so in answer to your question, I think these are "normal" reviews, but a few key ones should get some extra love beyond a standard 2 +2 | 19:14 |
| creiht | like in the proxy server | 19:14 |
| * creiht just re-discovered today | 19:14 | |
| notmyname | creiht: you're fixing that now, right? | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 19:14 |
| creiht | lol | 19:14 |
| clayg | i'm not entirely sure, he went on to say that he didn't think some of the issues gatekeeper caused for sos and cdn could really have been caught without their targeted integration testing | 19:14 |
| creiht | fixing some | 19:14 |
| glange | we need to start +3ing some reviews | 19:14 |
| zaitcev | failing that 3x+2 | 19:15 |
| clayg | I think these meetings could help highlight the reviews that should have more eyes - I think it's easier to say "lets way for core XXX to look at this before we merge" if it hasn't been up for weeks already with some other core devoting a bunch of time reviewing it | 19:16 |
| clayg | where weeks ~= months | 19:16 |
| * creiht gives glange the evil eye | 19:16 | |
| glange | :) | 19:16 |
| notmyname | clayg: do you have some in mind that we should bring up later in the meeting? | 19:17 |
| * clayg gives glange a warm smile | 19:17 | |
| * portante feels the love spreading | 19:17 | |
| notmyname | for now, are there any more questions about what's going on with storage policies? | 19:17 |
| clayg | notmyname: no not atm - but the ec branch in general is a good point - please start studying up folks - the merge train is COMING! :P | 19:17 |
| notmyname | choo choo! | 19:17 |
| zaitcev | is this the good time to bring up 47713 | 19:18 |
| zaitcev | We had a hilarious occurence, if nobody noticed | 19:18 |
| cschwede_ | zaitcev: just noticed after you talked about it... | 19:18 |
| glange | portante's uuid middleware name change? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: only 177 days old! | 19:18 |
| zaitcev | clayg posted a fix 81104 | 19:18 |
| zaitcev | which is a code fix for a bug which was fixed ini 47713 months ago | 19:18 |
| portante | glange: and here I thought nobody noticed | 19:18 |
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| glange | :) | 19:19 |
| zaitcev | like really exactly the same code change | 19:19 |
| peluse | sorry I'm late... here :) | 19:19 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: well the other thing there I noted was that I had to dig around in three different files to piece together the fix which the other patch isolated into a single function | 19:19 |
| clayg | er... emthod | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | #topic patch 47713 -- "Pluggable Back Ends" | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patch 47713 -- "Pluggable Back Ends" (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:19 | |
| notmyname | seems we've moved on :-) | 19:19 |
| clayg | notmyname: nice | 19:20 |
| zaitcev | I took Clay's new test from 81104 and applied to 47713, and it worked | 19:20 |
| clayg | zaitcev: did you know you fixed it when you did? opening bugs for some of those and attaching them to review couldn't hurt | 19:20 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: I've recently been digging through some of the container/backend -> common/db relations working on change sam has going into sp - and I've found I don't have any good intution for which methods are on a broker are defined in common/db or type/backend | 19:22 |
| zaitcev | clayg: I did not know it was real, e.g. showing in the field. However, since PBE involves all this deep refactoring, a lot of oddities floated up, including that one. Apparently we have a ton of strange cruft and I went and tried to prove some general statements about what code does | 19:22 |
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| portante | clayg: zaitcev's changes cap that off, I thought | 19:22 |
| clayg | zaitcev: I saw you had common/db flesh out the interface with some NotImplementedErrors - which I think could help | 19:23 |
| portante | what is in master is really mid-stream | 19:23 |
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| torgomatic | clayg: the only hard line I've had is that all SQL statements go in the backend | 19:23 |
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| zaitcev | torgomatic: db_file too | 19:23 |
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| torgomatic | zaitcev: noted | 19:24 |
| clayg | portante: I will probably need to have something like the call-tree you did for diskfile - maybe if I can bring up the docs on PBE | 19:24 |
| portante | torgomatic, clayg: from the gluster work, having the server API code call simple methods on the objects, like what zaitcev has in account and container server cleans things up quite a bit | 19:24 |
| zaitcev | because if you have, just for example, GlusterFS with library implementation, it talks to volume servers through a little library. so there's literally no db_file that can be given to open(). | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | I haven't needed to reference db_file yet in what I'm doing | 19:24 |
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| portante | to me, it makes it so that you can do stuff like, in-memory backend for account and container server to isolote the API handling code | 19:25 |
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| zaitcev | We want to give sysadmin a view into what breaks, which includes backend-specific file, which is why I added __str__ method. For Gluster it would be "host://volume/dirdirdir" something, and 100% compatible db_file for legacy. | 19:26 |
| portante | there are tendrils of the response handling seeping down into the backend code which gets cleaned up (last I looked) | 19:26 |
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| clayg | I'm more or less on board with the idea, and the patch has come along way (the in-memory example is neat) - but I still struggle with reviewing it | 19:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1 | 19:27 |
| zaitcev | okay, anyway. I think about splitting 47713 into pieces and feed them piece by piece. Each given piece will make less sense by itself, but they'll be easier to review. I'll make sure each is somewhat self-contained and passes tests. | 19:27 |
| portante | agreed, I do too | 19:27 |
| notmyname | portante: is zaitcev's suggestion good based on your DiskFile experience? | 19:28 |
| peluse | seems like a good idea to me | 19:28 |
| portante | I don't know what to think about large patches | 19:28 |
| portante | sometimes they need a wholistic review | 19:28 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: it's the opposite to portante's experience because we reviewed DiskFile in person at hackathon | 19:29 |
| portante | sometimes they need spoon feeding | 19:29 |
| notmyname | with big patches like this I'm never sure if "all at once for the whole picture" or "small pieces one at a time" is better | 19:29 |
| portante | agreed | 19:29 |
| peluse | well, I think it depends on how carvable the patch is (if thats a word) | 19:29 |
| notmyname | portante: peluse: clayg: creiht: what would you prefer to see? | 19:29 |
| portante | I think what might help here is unit test coverage before and after the change on those modules is really high, and functional test coverage can shown to be hight | 19:30 |
| notmyname | portante: back to the "more testing" theme, eh? | 19:30 |
| portante | I would rather take the pain of reviewing the whole patch | 19:30 |
| portante | yes | 19:30 |
| peluse | if zaitcev can make a logcal series of patches with a high level design flow that would be by preference | 19:30 |
| portante | ;) | 19:30 |
| clayg | well small chagnes are great when they make sense on their own - sometimes it takes awhile to find the small pieices though - I think DiskFile was making progress with small changes and the last mile ended up coming in sorta biggish | 19:30 |
| zaitcev | I don't want to rely on in-person review. What if something does not come together, like I have a flat tire in Raton on my way to Colorado. | 19:30 |
| cschwede_ | smaller patches are nice as long as splitting up a big patch doesn't hide the overall goal | 19:30 |
| peluse | we can send a taxi for you :) | 19:31 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: I've done that before :-( | 19:31 |
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| portante | zaitcev: e-rated tires might hlpe | 19:31 |
| peluse | cschwede_: that's why added the 'along with a high level design flow' to my comment... | 19:31 |
| notmyname | ok, how's this: | 19:31 |
| notmyname | put together the call flow for PBE (before and after) | 19:31 |
| clayg | I think some context would help me a lot, like a highbandwidth overview of the patch - there's are big piecies, this is how they fit together | 19:32 |
| cschwede_ | peluse: yep! | 19:32 |
| notmyname | compare before/after testing | 19:32 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: noted | 19:32 |
| clayg | if I can see in my head - yeah that makes sense, I want it to work like that - then I can review the patch and decide if does what I think it should | 19:32 |
| peluse | zaitcev: and as I reviewed I struggled a bit to understand what problem(s) you were trying to solve. Some were clears, others not so much so some info there would be great too | 19:32 |
| notmyname | and, since it's pretty obvious that the one-big-patch hasn't worked for 6 months for this one, break it up into discrete chunks | 19:32 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: but it seems like an overview of the goals and methods would help a lot for everyone. can you make that? | 19:33 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: (not necessarily on your own, if others can help) | 19:33 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: what form should it take? e-mail to openstack-dev, or in-changelog overview? | 19:34 |
| portante | I can help with that, let's do that right after the meeting if that is okay | 19:34 |
| zaitcev | sure | 19:34 |
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| peluse | I like the in changelog overview | 19:34 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: portante: a ML post wouldn't impact people who already look at the changeset. just keep it there, IMO | 19:34 |
| notmyname | ie no extra eyes from a ML post | 19:34 |
| portante | there being gerrit? | 19:35 |
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| peluse | sorry for my choppy attendance today, have to run... ttl | 19:35 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: portante: yes, referenced in gerrit, if not in the commit message or in the patch itself | 19:35 |
| portante | k | 19:35 |
| notmyname | sound workable for everyone? | 19:36 |
| torgomatic | sure | 19:36 |
| zaitcev | yes | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | awesome. thanks zaitcev and portante | 19:36 |
| notmyname | #topic swift3 | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: zaitcev: you want swift3 back in tree? | 19:36 |
| portante | is that the s3 mapper? | 19:37 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:37 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I would prefer it, although I have an ulterior motive: I do not like packaging non-tagged versions and Tomo didn't tag since 1.7 | 19:37 |
| notmyname | https://github.com/fujita/swift3 | 19:37 |
| notmyname | ah | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | so, my understanding is that the openstack-tc decision from a while back still stands. no non-openstack APIs should be included in the openstack projects | 19:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: I would have swore we like *had* to take it out because of either a) some openstack foundation promoting the openatck api perception thing or b) some aws s3 clone questionable leagl thing? | 19:38 |
| zaitcev | he's not a bad maintainer and responds to pull requests, but I have a feeling it's not his favourite project | 19:38 |
| zaitcev | oooh, sorry. I completely forgot | 19:38 |
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| notmyname | which was the reason given for excluding it, although it may have a little to do with us doing some tree pruning at the same time | 19:39 |
| cschwede_ | i think one idea is to move it to stackforge: https://github.com/fujita/swift3/issues/62 | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | also, at the same time there was the CDMI API proposed patch. same decision killed both wrt being in swift's tree | 19:39 |
| clayg | yeah! stackforge! tomo said he'd go for that but it didn't happen - can't we just fork - it's no bad blood or anything | 19:39 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: as long as that doesn't mean adding on the openstack dependency party, that might be a good idea | 19:39 |
| torgomatic | I have a hard time testing that sort of stuff | 19:40 |
| cschwede_ | what about a common place for additional middlewares for swift on stackforge? ie swift3, cdmi, whatelse (if their authors are ok with that) | 19:40 |
| zaitcev | like ceph back-end | 19:40 |
| cschwede_ | zaitcev: :) | 19:40 |
| torgomatic | not only do I need a SAIO, I need to take out my credit card and go sign up for S3, and then tell my wife WTF this recurring 18-cent charge is when I forget to delete some test data | 19:40 |
| cschwede_ | i think for ceph-backend the idea is already to put it on stackforge | 19:41 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: which generalized is the concept of a "contrib" | 19:41 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: that's a real concern. I suppose you could just deploy eucalyptus ;-) | 19:41 |
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| cschwede_ | torgomatic: i think there is a free contingent on s3? | 19:42 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: what "cost" does stackforge incur? | 19:42 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: no, you'll still have cc registered, and probably BW charges for testing | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | cschwede_: I thought that was only EC2 with the little free tier, not S3 | 19:42 |
| torgomatic | I could be wrong though | 19:42 |
| cschwede_ | torgomatic: at least they stopped sending me 18 cent bills ... | 19:43 |
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| * torgomatic hasn't worked with Amazon's stuff in a couple years | 19:43 | |
| notmyname | so I don't think it's appropriate to include it back into swift's source tree. stackforge could be interesting. basically, how do we keep good ecosystem repos alive | 19:43 |
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| cschwede_ | notmyname: regarding stackforge: afaik it's like a "regular" openstack project, ie you have core reviewers and everything else | 19:43 |
| gvernik | if i am not mistaken, it's not legal to expose S3 API...it's legal to implement it to access S3, but not implement it and expose it as an API of Swift... | 19:43 |
| cschwede_ | gvernik: yeah, that could make some trouble | 19:44 |
| notmyname | gvernik: we're not adding it back to the swift tree (or getting into legal questions/distractions for the tech side of things) | 19:44 |
| notmyname | cschwede_: ok. that's full of good and bad :-) | 19:45 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | what else is on your mind? | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | other patches? | 19:45 |
| zaitcev | Hackathon | 19:45 |
| notmyname | other questions? | 19:45 |
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| torgomatic | cross-account copy! | 19:46 |
| zaitcev | What are we going to do there and why it's important to get budget to travel there. | 19:46 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: ok, I was waiting for a bit to make that public. but I'll talk about it now :-) | 19:46 |
| zaitcev | Also, why is it after Atlanta. The HK one was before HK, so this is Juno cycle hackathon, right? | 19:46 |
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| notmyname | so we had a hackathon last november in austin. it was great | 19:47 |
| notmyname | there's been interest in doing another one | 19:47 |
| notmyname | so it's something that's been scheduled for June in the Denver/Longmont CO area | 19:47 |
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| notmyname | We've sent invites to the core devs, and I'll open the registration publicly when the core team has a chance to register if they are going (so that we don't have a rush). space is limited, like in austin | 19:48 |
| notmyname | why june? | 19:48 |
| notmyname | because april and may are very busy and march is too soon for logistics | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | april == openstack release and red hat summit (which many of us are involved with). may == atlanta summit | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | so that's the info, and more will be shared in the next 2/3 weeks | 19:50 |
| notmyname | oh, this one is sponsored by Intel. thanks peluse | 19:50 |
| zaitcev | So, we're going to focus on EC/SP, right? | 19:50 |
| notmyname | I think we'll focus on EC, but SP should be pretty much done, I think. | 19:51 |
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| torgomatic | oh man I hope so | 19:51 |
| zaitcev | Any specific accomplishment we can do, like reviews? I mean how do I prepare - just read the theory and code for EC? | 19:51 |
| * torgomatic is tired | 19:51 | |
| notmyname | there will also be other topics too. I hope there will be a lot around performance, testing, and efficiency improvements actually | 19:51 |
| * peluse just popped back in for a few | 19:51 | |
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| peluse | zaitcev: keving has some good EC general info out there. I'll post a link | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: think of it like the openstack summit, but with no power-point and no "what is swift?" discussions. | 19:52 |
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| peluse | this is for the actual python EC library but has good general info also and links to other papers. We'll also be posting some flows/diagrams on the IO path and recontructor over the coming weeks | 19:53 |
| peluse | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyECLib/0.2.2 | 19:53 |
| notmyname | just like last time in austin. some coding, lot's of reviews | 19:53 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: let's talk more, if necessary, after this meeting | 19:53 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: did you want to discuss cross-account copy? | 19:54 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: thanks, I got it | 19:54 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: cool. let me know if you have more questions | 19:54 |
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| torgomatic | well, I think cross-account copy is looking pretty good, and it's something I want for a project I have | 19:55 |
| torgomatic | I'd like to get other eyes on it so that it makes it into the next release | 19:55 |
| creiht | yeah that would be nice to see | 19:55 |
| creiht | did the profiling middleware make it in? | 19:55 |
| cschwede_ | #link cross-account copy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/72157/ | 19:56 |
| notmyname | not yet | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | cschwede_: thanks | 19:56 |
| creiht | it would be nice to see that in | 19:56 |
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| notmyname | for that patch, gholt, chmouel, and portante have all commented on it | 19:57 |
| notmyname | I'm hoping one of you can take another look | 19:57 |
| notmyname | creiht: agreed on that one too | 19:59 |
| notmyname | ...and we're out of time this week (saved by the bell) | 19:59 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 19 19:59:23 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-03-19-19.00.html | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-03-19-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2014/swift.2014-03-19-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 19:59 |
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