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fifieldti18n meeting? :)07:57
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adiantumfifieldt: waiting for it =)07:59
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Fdotfifieldt adiantumhello07:59
fifieldtawesome07:59
Fdotlet's start :)07:59
adiantumFdot hello07:59
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Fdot#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  7 07:59:42 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Fdot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:59
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FdotGood morning/evening everybody :)08:00
Fdotwho is here ?08:00
Steff00steff0008:00
jpichMorning!08:00
fifieldtgood afternoon08:00
Fdothello Steff00 jpich :)08:00
adiantumgood afternoon =)08:00
Steff00hello everybody08:00
epicogood afternoon08:00
ujuchello08:00
FdotHello :)08:01
ujuc:)08:01
FdotDaisy is in holiday today, so I am going to drive this meeting08:01
Fdotthe agenda is very light08:01
Fdotwe are going to speak about the Documents’ categorization08:01
Fdotand we will take some time for an open discussion08:02
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Fdotis there any subjects you would like to add to the agenda ?08:02
Fdotok we will see during the open discussion :)08:03
Fdot#topic Documents’ categorization08:03
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FdotIn a previous meeting we have started to discuss about categorize the translation projects08:04
Fdotthere is now too many projects in transifex08:04
Fdotand some projects are changing too much08:04
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fifieldt#link https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/openstack-manuals-i18n/resources/08:04
Fdotso for new translators it is difficult to see how to start08:04
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Fdotand they could be afraid about all the works08:05
Fdotthanks fifieldt08:05
Fdotso it could be interesting to categorize all the projects08:05
Fdotand then defining priorities08:05
Fdotwe have started to discuss about this with Daisy08:06
Fdotand we have 2 propositions :08:06
Fdot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/docs-translation08:06
Fdotwhat do you think about this ? Any suggestion ?08:06
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adiantumlooks pretty good, but not so much documents categorized08:08
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Fdotadiantum: it is just an example ;)08:08
fifieldtanyone want to quickly l;ook at : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-manuals-classification ?08:08
adiantumok =)08:08
fifieldtwe could attempt to classify them now08:08
FdotI didn't add every projects before being agree about the format :)08:08
Steff00seems to be a good thing . Who will classify the docs ?08:09
FdotSteff00: every volunteers are welcome :)08:10
fifieldtso, I think stablity varies during the release cycle08:10
fifieldtfor instance, install-guide is stable for about a 3-4 week period every cycle08:10
fifieldtso if we want to translate that, we should do it during that time08:11
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adiantumjust a note, looks like we could use one heuristic - log translations is not very important, so all docs with type log could have low priopity08:12
AJaegersorry for beeing late - any question you have on Documents that I can help with?08:12
Fdotadiantum: agree :)08:12
FdotAJaeger: hello :)08:12
fifieldtAJaeger, see if you agree with the categorisations in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-manuals-classification08:12
* AJaeger checks08:13
FdotOne important things a lot of contributors coming are not coming for only translating the documentation08:13
Fdotthey are also coming for translating services like Horizon08:13
adiantumand how frequently changing common during release cycle?08:13
Fdotso we have to add it into the list and priorization08:14
fifieldtyes, common is a problem08:14
Fdotcommon is moving too much and it is too big08:14
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fifieldtAJaeger, what do you think about moving the config tables out of common into config-reference08:15
AJaegerFdot, but common includes a couple of files that need translation - like the preface and appendix08:15
fifieldtI don't think we really use them as 'common'08:15
AJaegerfifieldt, sure, we can do that.08:15
fifieldtI think to facilitate translation, common should be as small as possible08:16
AJaegerbe aware that we download in general only files that have at least 75 % translations with two exceptions: glossary and common (8 % each)08:16
AJaegerfifieldt, propose a patch ;)08:16
FdotAJaeger: yes but 73,557 words :)08:16
* AJaeger agrees with the classification on the etherpad and has commented on it08:17
Fdotis it possible to move all the logs into one log common project ?08:18
fifieldtactually, it's true that many log messages come from oslo.common08:18
AJaegerFdot, they come initially from oslo-incubation and the files get copied around08:19
fifieldtThere is a danger though that different projects use different versions of oslo08:19
AJaegerWith a couple of oslo libraries graduated now, we have a much better situation.08:19
AJaegerThey are now in *one* location - lke olso.messaging or oslo.i18n. Projects just need to update and remove the old oslo-incubation code and require the library instead08:20
AJaegerMy recommendation for now: Don't translate log message and wait a bit until this has settled...08:20
FdotAJaeger: ok08:20
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FdotEtherpad is going to be usefull for completing the wiki page08:21
Fdotthanks a lot08:21
FdotI am going to add all the informations and projects today08:22
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fifieldtFdot, one other thing to consider08:22
fifieldtis taking a stance like the documentation team did08:22
fifieldtthat they wouldn't touch non-integrated projects08:22
* AJaeger has setup the translation jobs for the projects in incubation. I can switch those off if desired...08:23
Fdotfifieldt: which one for example ?08:23
fifieldtsahara, marconi, barbarican etc08:23
fifieldtdesignate, gantt08:23
Fdotoh ok of course08:24
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fifieldtgiven the limited resources in our team, and the scary number of projects, it might be a reasonable step to remove these first08:24
fifieldtit would reduce the number of untranslated projects in view08:24
FdotI am agree with you08:24
FdotAnd in our translating teams we should communicate more about the priority08:25
Fdotand about the project we don't need to touch08:25
fifieldtyup, it's nice08:25
Fdotlike the documentation team08:25
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Fdotare we still all agree about the priorities during the past meeting :08:26
Fdotapi-quick-start08:27
Fdotapi-ref-guides08:27
Fdotapi-ref08:27
Fdotimage-guide08:27
FdotHorizon08:27
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fifieldtSeems like a reasonble start - they are small08:28
fifieldtand not changing08:28
Fdotand easy for new translators arriving on the project08:29
adiantumsounds good08:29
AJaegerfifieldt, some of these projects will integrate in Juno, so we should have them.08:29
Fdotand the config tables will be removed from common we will be able to add it into the list08:29
* AJaeger does not agree with api-ref and api-ref-guides08:30
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FdotAJaeger: why ?08:30
AJaegerthose are small because they contain lots of WADL that is not translated!08:30
fifieldtI just checked, and the config tables are 27812 words08:30
fifieldtthis is true08:30
Fdot25% of the project ;)08:31
fifieldtthey're so small though AJaeger08:31
fifieldtapi-ref-guides is 211 words08:31
fifieldtapi-ref is a bit bigger though08:32
fifieldt4151 words08:32
AJaegerlet me check how large the generated manuals are...08:32
fifieldtAJaeger is right that they shouldn't be a "priority" in terms of usefulness, but they can serve a purpose of giving a sense of completeness  for a team :)08:32
fifieldtAJaeger, 20k words for install guide for example08:32
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fifieldt60k words for ops guide08:33
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AJaegerapi-ref produces html pages and includes the WADLS08:34
AJaegercomplete api-ref-guides is 1402 pages - the 211 words is just misleading08:36
AJaegerapi-ref-guides includes *lots* of other files, the 211 words are just the glue that ties it together.08:36
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AJaegerSame with api-ref-guides08:36
AJaeger1402 PDF pages08:36
FdotAJaeger: It could be very interesting to be able to translate this content08:37
Fdotbecause it has been done for end users / developers08:37
AJaegerFdot, I don't think it's worth to translate the API - this is reference documentation.08:37
AJaegerFdot, first you need to enhance the tools so that WADLs can be translated as well.08:37
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AJaegerThis is a not trivial08:38
FdotAJaeger: I know08:38
Fdotis the move from transifex to an another tool is going to improve this ?08:38
AJaegerSory, I have to leave again and if there are further questions, I can answer on the i18n mailing list08:38
AJaegerFdot, not at all: We extract the po files with our own tools08:38
FdotAJaeger: no pb thanls a lot for your time08:39
AJaegerbye08:39
FdotAJaeger: ok :/08:39
fifieldtthanks!08:40
FdotIs there anything somebody want to add to this topic ?08:40
fifieldtI think we've made good progress08:40
Fdotfifieldt: i think too :)08:40
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Fdot#topic Free discussion08:41
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FdotI have a question for fifieldt08:41
Fdotdo you know when is the string freeze for the documentation ?08:41
fifieldtok?08:41
fifieldterm, you mean when documentation "stops"?08:42
Fdotyes08:42
fifieldtit doesn't08:42
Fdotfor juno of course :)08:42
fifieldtthere is no string freeze for documentation08:42
Fdotand for the others project ?08:42
fifieldthttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule08:42
fifieldtSep 408:43
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fifieldtaka Juno-308:43
Fdotfifieldt: thanks a lot that's exactly what i was looking for :)08:43
fifieldt:)08:44
ujuc:)08:44
FdotAny others questions ? :)08:44
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Fdotok so let's close the meeting08:46
Fdotthanks a lot everybody for this rich discussion :)08:46
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Fdothave a good day / night !08:46
fifieldtthanks Fdot!08:47
adiantumthank you =)08:47
epicothanks08:47
ujuc:Thanks08:47
ujuc:)08:47
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Fdot#endmeeting08:47
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jorgemgood morning lbaas!13:59
blogan\o/13:59
jorgemor afternoon…evening13:59
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jorgemhi xgerman14:00
xgermanhi jorgem14:00
sbalukoffMorning!14:00
johnsom_Good morning14:00
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evgenyfhi14:00
dougwigo/14:01
vjayhi14:01
jorgem#startmeeting lbaas neutron14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  7 14:01:16 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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jorgemoops14:01
jorgemone sec14:01
bloganjorgem: fail, neutron lbaas14:01
jorgemlol14:01
jorgem#endmeeting14:01
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Aug  7 14:01:34 2014 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:01
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/lbaas_neutron/2014/lbaas_neutron.2014-08-07-14.01.html14:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/lbaas_neutron/2014/lbaas_neutron.2014-08-07-14.01.txt14:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/lbaas_neutron/2014/lbaas_neutron.2014-08-07-14.01.log.html14:01
jorgemquick meeting guys!14:01
bloganthose will be some interesting notes14:01
jorgem#startmeeting neutron lbaas14:01
xgermanmmh\14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  7 14:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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rm_worko/14:02
jorgemHere is the agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Agenda14:02
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jorgem#topic Review Updates14:03
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bloganmestery: are you present?14:03
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jorgemSomeone added "review politicking"14:04
bloganI did!14:04
sbalukoffHeh!14:04
sbalukoffblogan is an honest man.14:04
ptoohillhello14:04
jorgemgo ahead blogan14:04
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jorgemhi ptoohill14:04
bloganwell i was hoping mestery would be here14:04
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xgermanwe need to summon him somehow14:05
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* dougwig casts Summon PTL14:05
dougwighe might still be sick.14:05
bloganbut since he's not, we need to get more clarity on how to get this merged in and with all this GBP talk, will we follow the same path that is decided with that?14:05
jorgemwell why don't we wait until he is summoned and move this topic to the end of the meeting for now14:06
dougwigthe short form is, keep reviewing.  we're all worried that with review load, v2 won't get reviewed in time.  notice the gob thread, same issue.14:06
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xgermanwell, then we take our ball and play somewhere else14:07
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jorgemokay next topic until mestery is summoned14:07
jorgem#topic Separating deployment and operational status14:08
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dougwigi'd like to point out up front that the outcome of this should be expected for kilo, not juno.14:08
bloganthis one is pretty simple, its just the fact separate status fields are needed for different types of statuses14:08
blogandougwig: yes indeed14:09
xgerman+114:09
sbalukoffYep, agreed. Also agreed on Kilo timeframe.14:09
bloganso which entities have the operational status?14:09
bloganpool and members?14:09
xgermanall?14:09
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vjaylistener, pool and members?14:10
sbalukoffYea, you can have an operational status for listener, too.14:10
dougwigpool, member, listener, and lb would be my take.14:10
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vjaywhat would lb operational status reflect?14:10
sbalukoffAnd yes, LB as well.14:10
dougwigif all listeners are dead (or some minimum number)14:10
sbalukoff"Is the VIP deployed on anything"14:10
vjayVIP deployed ins deployment status14:11
jorgemhow about ONLINE, OFFLINE for operational statuses?14:11
vjays/ins/is14:11
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jorgemthat seems clearer to me14:11
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jorgemACTIVE is already part of deployment statuses14:11
bloganim fine with offline/online14:11
dougwigi think we want a longer list, or a description field for more detail (i.e. slow response, expired cert, ...)14:11
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vjaywould it be helpful to say DEGRADED as well in operational status?14:12
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xgermanI like ERROR, too14:12
dougwigo/ mestery14:12
jorgemhi mestery! While we have you let's go back to our  first topic14:12
mesteryjorgem: ack14:12
jorgemthank you for joining14:12
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xgermanmestery o/14:12
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jorgem#Topic Review politicking (How likely is v2 to actually get merged in?)14:12
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jorgemblogan: the floor is yours again14:13
bloganmestery: some of us are getting a bit worried that v2 may not have enough time to get reviewed thoroughly to get in14:13
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bloganmestery: what is your take on it?14:13
mesteryblogan: I think from a review perspective, we have enough runway, as we can ramp people.14:13
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mesteryI think the larger concern is the GBP discussion, and how that might afffect LBaaS V214:13
bloganmestery: also it seems there are corrolations to be made between the GBP talk and the lbaas v2 API14:14
mesteryblogan: ++14:14
mesteryI'm working on a solution to both of these (LBaaS v2 and GBP) issues now.14:14
bloganis it safe to assume we will both share the same fate?14:14
mesteryblogan: That seems pretty likely, yes.14:14
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dougwiganything we can do in the meantime, or are we stuck in gerrit limbo?14:15
mesteryOne idea we've had is to create a new git repository under the networking program for experimental APIs14:15
mesteryWith a clear path on how to graduate into the main neutron repo14:15
mesteryThat woudl allow for fast iteration and reviews there, with a path forward into neutron.14:15
mesteryIt's an early idea, but something we're thinking about.14:15
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mesteryThe alternative is to have the experimental directory be directly in the neutron tree I think14:16
xgerman+114:16
sbalukoffI take it that path wouldn't be subject to the whole "no 5000-line commits" rule of thumb?14:16
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mesterysbalukoff: ++14:16
bloganmestery: i assume neutron core will still be responsible for reviewing every commit in the experiemental apis, in neutron tree or outside?14:17
mesteryblogan: Yes, that's the plan.14:17
mesteryBut hopefully we can iterate faster there, and the part we need to nail down is the clear path into the main repo.14:17
bloganmestery: so if it is outside the tree, it would still require neutron core +2's to get into that outside tree?14:17
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jorgemor have separate +2's?14:18
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dougwigneutron does have this schizophrenic split of needing to be mature/stable and also needing to gofastgofastgofastgofast.  a function of its rather broad mandate.14:18
mesteryblogan: That was the initial thought, because it would be under the networking program still14:18
mesterydougwig: Exactly14:18
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mesteryTo be honest, this was something we were looking at proposing in Kilo, we may need to expedite the plans now.14:18
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jorgemmestery: How would velocity increase if there is a limit on the core reviewers time? I feel the core reviewers have a lot on their plates.14:19
mesteryjorgem: That's a valid concern, and perhaps we give some additinoal people +2 on the experimental repo, maybe one from each project, etc.14:19
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mesteryThat would most certainly help14:19
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bloganmestery: I think i misunderstood that projects under the networking program that were not in neutron would be able to self-govern themselves14:19
jorgemmestery: Okay one additional +2 on each project makes sense14:19
dougwigjorgem: just a guess, but a dedicated experimental area likely has less stringent review requirements than a stable base.14:20
xgermanso we are talking lbaas being spun out here14:20
xgerman?14:20
mesteryxgerman: Not spun out, but put into an incubator for eventual inclusion.14:20
mesteryAgain, I should stress we're just discussing this now, we haven't come to a firm conclusion yet.14:20
mesteryBut getting the LBaaS team's feedback woudl be good14:20
blogandougwig: if the goal is to get into neutron tree, and the reviews are less stringent, then that means when it is time to get back into the neutron review it'd be like the neutron cores had to review one massive patch14:20
xgermanok, with own reviewers + own repo it feels pretty autonomous :-)14:21
jorgemmestery: If anything someone will be decided by next summit I'm 'thinking?14:21
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jorgemsomething*14:21
dougwigblogan: not less stringent overall, but more flexible to, "this is incomplete, but throwing it in here increases iteration velocity, and fixed in a followup".  more of a smaller company mindset.14:21
dougwigi'm not sure i'm communicating that well.14:21
mesteryjorgem: I think we need to decide by next week if we try to do this, so lets see.14:21
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jorgemmestery: gotcha14:21
mesterydougwig: ++14:21
mesteryIt's almost like the linux kernel model of development14:22
mesteryA tree hiearchy14:22
mesterywith lieutenants at each level14:22
mesteryso that when it lands to neutron, it's already in a pretty good state14:22
jorgemmestery: I think for LBaaS we shouldn't do this for Juno since we tried to do this already to a degree.14:22
mesteryIt has tempest tests, etc.14:22
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bloganI feel like it could end up in being the stringent reviews get kicked down the road until its time to get into teh tree, and then when that time comes, reviews take even longer because there is a whole new API to review in full14:22
mesteryjorgem: Understood, completely agree.14:22
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jorgemmestery: It kind of defeats the hackathon and everything we did14:22
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xgermanbloga n +114:22
jorgemsure one could treat it as a sunk cost but we all have deadlines on our side as well14:23
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mesteryjorgem: I understand, like I said, this is mostly something we're thinking on.14:23
xgermanjorgem +114:23
jorgemWhat's everyone else thinking?14:23
mesterySo, I'll keep you all posted on the discussions here.14:23
jorgemeveyone = lbaas people14:23
xgermanjorgem, as I said experimental area is like 50% spun out...14:24
dougwigblogan: well, something has to change.  we complain that neutron is review bottlenecked, bounce around alternatives, and the final consensus always seem to be, "keep it in tree, and just work smarter!"  and i'm not pointing the finger at just lbaas for that discussion model, look at how the community responded to mark's gbp proposal as well.  and all the14:24
dougwigothers.  something *has* to change structurally.14:24
sbalukoffIt's going to be severely diappointing not to see the LBaaS work we've done end up in Juno.14:24
jorgemxgerman: true but we almost have code in neutron code base which is the goal here.14:24
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xgermansbalukoff +114:24
jorgemspinning out to get it in to neutron is one step back then forward again14:24
xgermansadly, yes -- experimental area is a half step14:25
bloganin my opinion, i like the idea of it, if executed correctly it woudl be better for neutron stability and increase velocity, im just thinking of worst case scenario and common human behavior14:25
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johnsom_I hope the process for getting code promoted is clear and well understood.14:26
xgerman+114:26
jorgemSo I'm guessing it's safe to say that the LBaaS community would like to get the code into Juno? Thus, this means not becoming experimental. Does anyone disagree?14:26
rm_workI'm not a huge fan, for reasons blogan already mentioned (kicking the stone down the road)…14:26
xgermanyep, we like to be grandfathered14:26
sbalukoffxgerman: +114:26
dougwigjorge: i'm not a fan of pretending we can squeeze the stone harder and make water appear14:26
vjayjorgem: +114:26
jorgemxgerman: +114:26
jorgemdougwig: The idea is sound but I think we should be grandfathered in for the work we have completed thus far14:27
mesteryOK, I need to go back to bed now, thanks for listening and I'll keep everyone updated here!14:27
sbalukoffdougwig: I'm not entirely sure it's a stone just yet. But it's certainly getting harder.14:27
jorgemmestery: thanks get better!14:27
mesteryjorgem: Thanks!14:27
bloganmestery: thanks14:28
xgermanmestery: thanks14:28
sbalukoffThanks!14:28
dougwigwe have a very long review chain, more coming, and iterations we want/need to do on top of that.  i'm not sure wishing all of that into juno is realistic (if it is, great.)14:28
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dougwigthanks mestery, feel better14:28
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jorgemdougwig: Perhaps define which items to grandfather and which to not???14:28
blogandougwig: i agree with you, seeing is believing on the reviews getting in14:28
jorgemdougwig: If, of course, the community moves in that direction14:29
xgermanyeah, we should make a prioritized list14:29
xgermanof changes to approve14:29
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dougwigi would rather increase velocity and have to do "apt-get install neutron-lbaas" than pretend there is no problem and get punted to kilo.  we have a lot of reviews, but at the end of the day, it's kind of a big lump pill to swallow; it doesn't slice up well.14:30
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tmc3inphillyLet me see if i get this straight, some do not want it in Neutron for Juno, yet they do not want to spin it out on its own?  Are we talking code pergatory?14:30
dougwigi think we all want it in neutron for juno.14:31
dougwigwe're just talking damage control at this point.14:31
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sbalukoffdougwig is just trying to be reasonable.14:31
sbalukoffI say we throw a temper tantrum and see where that gets us. ;)14:31
xgermanI have no problem with being unreasonable14:31
samuelbercovicisbalukoff:to whom?14:31
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tmc3inphillyit isn't like we are going to check in 87878787878787 lines of code for each release right?  This is a temporary problem for this release.14:32
jorgemOkay, I guess we can join the HUGE ML thread on this.14:32
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xgermanI only read things tagged with [LBAAS]14:32
jorgemThere are obviously a lot of opinions and concerns so maybe we can address them there?14:32
rm_workxgerman: +1, I was *born* to be unreasonable14:32
sbalukoffThere's a lot of politicking going on in that thread. :/14:33
dougwigtmc3inphilly: think of the unfinished reviews we have for just juno: driver agent, full tis support, l7 routing, driver shim, horizon support14:33
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blogandougwig: i abandoned the shim beacuse it wasn't complete and work stopped on it completely14:33
jorgemEveryone okay with moving to next topic?14:33
bloganyes14:33
xgerman+114:33
blogancome back to this when mestery gets more details14:33
jorgem#topic Separating deployment and operational status14:34
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xgermanor we get blogan to be neutron core :-)14:34
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dougwigblogan: right, exactly my point that we're nowhere near done with the v2 refactor.  it's not like we have some known quantity to shove into juno and we're done with neutron reviews forever.14:34
jorgemK, anything else on statuses?14:34
sbalukoffBy the way, the 'throw a temper tantrum' comment was tongue in cheek.14:34
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sbalukoff(Written medium, sarcasm doesn't translate well. Sorry.)14:34
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blogansbalukoff: i could you see you throwing a tantrum14:35
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xgermanblogan +114:35
sbalukoffTo be honest, I think status is going to have to be expanded upon when we start to have shared entities. But I don't think we necessarily need to solve that problem now.14:35
dougwig+114:35
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sbalukoffIn any case, there's definitely a need for operational and deployment status to be separate.14:35
xgermanwe should also get in line with the other stauses in Neutron14:36
jorgemxgerman: unless we are experimental!14:36
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bloganxgerman: could you elaborate?14:36
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xgermanI think we need to research what firewall, etc. are doing to not confuse users14:36
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jorgemxgerman: fair enough14:37
blogani don't even know if they are async APIs14:37
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bloganso yes more research14:37
blogan+1 xgerman14:37
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samuelbercoviciwe have started this discussion at the beginnign of the cycle and decided to push it for K and to not share objects. I think this is still a good choice14:37
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dougwigi think at the meetup mark also suggested a potential strategy of adding stats() everywhere and adding some operational details to it.14:38
dougwigsamuelbercovici: +114:38
samuelbercoviciis there a reason to open this before K?14:38
blogansamuelbercovici: this won't happen in Juno at all, its just a discussion for what to do in K14:38
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jorgemOkay let's move on to Juno items then?14:38
vjaysure14:38
jorgem#topic Calling driver interface on every API request14:38
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sbalukoffblogan actually elaborated on why this isn't practical in the openstack-lbaas channel a couple days ago.14:39
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sbalukoffCare to repeat, blogan?14:39
blogansbalukoff yes14:39
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blogancurrently its not practical because the loadbalancer entity is what decides what driver to go to14:40
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bloganso if something is not linked to a loadbalancer, there's no way to know what driver to go to, and since we support multiple providers/drivers then we can't get around this14:40
sbalukoffAnd in the future it still won't be practical because loadbalancer entity in conjunction with flavor and service_profile will determine that. :)14:40
vjayok. that explains a lot.14:41
bloganhowever, if we link all entities to a provider/driver individually, then this can be done14:41
bloganyeah just substitute provider/driver with flavor14:41
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sbalukoffAnd that seems like a bad idea from a portability perspective to me.14:41
vjayjust thinking out loud, is it ok to create entities with respect to a loadbalancer/listener14:41
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blogansbalukoff: i've thought of some pros and cons to this, but more thought needs to be put into it14:42
sbalukoffblogan: I'd love to hear those pros and cons. :)14:42
sbalukoffvjay: What do you mean?14:42
bloganvjay: what do you mean?14:42
bloganlol14:42
vjayinstead of creating pool as an independent entity14:43
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vjaycan it have a listener or loadbalancer id?14:43
blogansbalukoff: you put me on the spot i had pros of it when i was thinking about it last night but its too early for me, and they were really good pros, I PROMISE!14:43
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dougwigyou mean have a required root object?  i'd love that.  the community wanted all the entities to be independent root objects for some reason.14:43
xgermantake notes of your ideas :-)14:43
sbalukoffvjay: That puts us in a position where introducing shared objects later is going to be problematic.14:44
bloganvjay: currently it cannot, and the reason the pool_id is on the listener is for the plan in the future to allow 1:M listener to pool relationship14:44
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sbalukoffIs it really that hard to create / update all those objects at once, once we finally have an association with a load balancer?14:45
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xgermansba;ukoff +114:45
rm_workdougwig: SOME of the community wanted that14:45
vjayi think it boils down to definition of pools14:45
rm_workwe wanted everything to be under a LB object, IIRC :P14:45
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vjayif pool is considered as a collection of members.14:45
vjaynot associated with a loadbalancer14:45
dougwigsbalukoff: no, but it does add a fair bit of code complexity up and down the chain.  that means added bugs, for currently no gain (my bias is leaking again.)14:46
vjaythen for ex. the stats should be retain when a pool is attached and reattached to another loadbalancer14:46
rm_workyeah, I kinda thought we weren't even trying to create anything until it was linked to a listener / LB and was ready to serve traffic14:46
rm_workI don't see the point of provisioning anything before that14:46
xgerman+114:46
samuelbercovici+114:47
dougwigrm_work: that's a driver decision.  as long as you know which driver, which was the ultimate reason we defer.14:47
sbalukoffvjay: It might not be useful to retain stats on a 'per pool' basis if the pool can be shared. :/14:47
rm_work:(14:47
crc32+114:47
sbalukoffAs in, it might make sense to have stats on a pool only within the context of a loadbalancer + listener.14:47
blogansbalukoff: i agree on that, though i know people have wanted stats per pool14:47
samuelbercovicisbalukoff: recall my proposal on how to persist status and stats14:47
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sbalukoffIn which case, you don't need to retain stats for a pool in the long run across config changes.14:48
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xgermanstats per pool won't work if a pool is attaced to more than one listener14:48
sbalukoffsamuelbercovici: Sorry I've forgotten that proposal (I have a terrible memory)14:48
dougwigxgerman: sure they will.  they'll just be additive.14:48
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vjayalso, lets say if driver does not support a certain aspect of a child entity. for ex. some monitor protocol is not supportted. The driver will thrown an error during create of listener, than create of monitor.14:48
sbalukoffxgerman: Or, it becomes a dictionary, which probably has less meaning to an end user14:48
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dougwigvjay: oh, that's an interesting point.14:49
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blogansamuelbercovici: you mean having all the stasuses of children enetities on the loadbalancer?14:49
sbalukoffvjay: Deployment errors should be bubbled up, IMO.14:49
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jorgemif we have stats on a listener object, why can't you add the listener stats to get pool stats (assuming shared pool)?14:50
dougwigvjay: that would work today, but blogan, that's a reason to be careful about automatic driver status.14:50
jorgemif the user really wanted that (I don't no why) they could easily do it.\14:50
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jorgemT - 10 mins14:50
xgermanyeah, we might need to defer that to the ML14:51
vjayok.14:51
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vjaythere is still one more item in the agenda14:51
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jorgemokay last topic of the day14:51
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jorgem#topic Octavia Update14:51
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jorgemsbalukoff: ?14:51
dougwigi just wanted to do this:14:51
dougwig#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042232.html14:51
jorgemdougwig: Thanks.14:52
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bloganyeah I don't think octavia should be discussed here, unless it deals with integrating octavia with neutron lbaas14:52
bloganthat is my opinion though14:52
jorgemI guess we are done then unless anyone has something else to bring up.14:52
blogansince octavia has its own meeting14:52
jorgemAnything else?14:52
blogando we have any action items?14:52
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sbalukoffUm... octavia update?14:53
blogansbalukoff: ^^^14:53
sbalukoffblogan +114:53
jorgem#action Read up on the Neutron ML thread (everyone)14:53
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jorgemhaha okay well that's wraps it up then.14:53
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jorgemThanks for playing!14:53
xgermanshould we make reseraching stsatus in advanced services an action item?14:53
bloganbye everyone14:53
sbalukoffThanks, y'all!14:53
rm_worko/14:53
jorgem#endmeeting14:53
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rm_workxgerman: apparently no one cares :P14:53
rm_workxgerman: T_T14:53
jorgemoops sorry xgerman lol14:54
bloganxgerman: ill come up with a pros and cons list for some of the unresolevd issues14:54
xgermanthanks blogan14:54
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sbalukoffThanks, blogan!14:54
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dougwig#action power nap14:55
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sbalukoffdougwig: +114:55
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eglynn#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  7 15:00:07 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
eglynnhey y'all!15:00
tonglihello.15:00
ildikovo/15:00
fabiog_o/15:00
cdenthola15:00
llu-laptopo/15:00
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_nadya_hi!15:01
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eglynn#topic juno-3 planning15:01
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eglynn#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-315:01
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eglynnlet's focus in on the 2 blocked BPs15:01
eglynnfirst the bigger-data-sql ... seems there's a new patchset pending, but converging on agreement?15:01
eglynn#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/10100915:01
DinaBelovao/15:01
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eglynngordc, cdent: does it feel like convergence?15:02
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silehto/15:02
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cdentgordc just posted some new comment saying it seems pretty okay, but may have some issues with meter reads, so a bit more poking to come, but it is heading in the right direction15:02
cdent(specially meter-list performance)15:03
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eglynn#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-big-data-pt215:03
nealpho.15:03
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eglynnthat's the latest proposal basically ^^^ ?15:03
cdentthere's active code here:  https://review.openstack.org/11131315:03
cdentthe decision was that there was no way to reach the ideal schema by thinking along, real code was required15:04
cdentwhat's implemented there is very close to what's in the etherpad15:04
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eglynncool, so we need to get the spec lined up the etherpad and the PoC code in order to get it landed, amiright?15:04
cdentreckon so, yes15:05
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eglynncdent: cool, I'll follow up with gordc after the meeting15:06
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eglynnnext central-agent-partitioning ... we have too alternative proposals15:06
eglynnwe've done a preso/hangout on each this week15:06
eglynnso it really is decision time now15:06
* eglynn pastes links for each approach ...15:06
eglynn(prepare for flood!)15:06
eglynn#link https://review.openstack.org/10128215:06
eglynn#link http://www.slideshare.net/FabioGiannetti/ceilometer-central-agent-activeactive-ha-proposal15:06
eglynn#link https://review.openstack.org/11197815:06
eglynn#link http://www.slideshare.net/EoghanGlynn/hash-based-central-agent-workload-partitioning-3776044015:06
fabiog_eglynn: can we have some clarifications on the Tooz future support?15:07
eglynncan everyone who cares about this feature (e.g. attended the hangouts or participated in the reviews already) please "nail their colours to the mast" on gerrit before EoD today?15:07
DinaBelovaeglynn, ok, will be done :)15:07
DinaBelovaeglynn, actually I wonder what will be the answer on the fabiog_ quesiton here15:08
ildikoveglynn: I'm kinda waiting for the answer of that question that Fabio has just asked and also asked by you on gerrit15:08
eglynnfabiog_: since you posed the question on gerrit already, I'll ask jd__ to respond there15:08
DinaBelovaildikov, ++15:08
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DinaBelovaeglynn, thank you sir15:08
jd__o/15:08
DinaBelovajd__, good evening :)15:08
eglynnjd__: question on https://review.openstack.org/101282 about future maintainership of tooz15:09
eglynnjd__: sorry wrong link! ... https://review.openstack.org/11197815:09
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eglynnlet's complete that discussion on gerrit15:10
jd__it has support for harlowj and it's going to be put under the Oslo maintenance15:10
jd__s/for/from/15:10
jd__same as stevedore, etc…15:10
eglynnjd__: a-ha, cool, that's good news about the oslo aspect15:11
DinaBelovajd__, thanks for the clarification15:11
jd__we're just waiting for some projects to use it before moving it under Oslo15:11
fabiog_jd__: thanks, this helps15:11
jd__and I'm working as we speak as using it with Nova15:11
jd__(to replace their custome implementation of memcached/zookeeper)15:11
_nadya_jd__: what projects? :)15:11
jd___nadya_: Nova and Neutron are first in sight last time I checked15:12
eglynn_nadya_: nova15:12
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DinaBelovajd__, I remember kind of this mailing thread - am I right it was already started?15:12
jd__there might be more I'm not aware of15:12
_nadya_cool15:12
jd__it's likely that a lot of project have crafted custom solutions that are not so robust and would have a better usage of tooz, but we'll see15:12
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jd__and Ceilometer obviously :)15:12
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eglynnjd__: and on the cards also, possibly new tooz drivers? (e.g. based on olso-messaging)15:13
jd__sure thing, we just need someone to write them15:13
jd__it's not on my priority list, though if I get bored, you never know…15:13
jd__:)15:14
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eglynnfabiog_: it that sufficient information about tooz future status?15:14
fabiog_eglynn: sure. I think it responds to my concern15:14
eglynnfabiog_: excellent!15:15
eglynnjd__: thank you sir!15:15
jd__you're welcome ladies and gentlmen15:15
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eglynnok, apart from those 2 blocked BPs, does anyone have any concerns about any other stuff target'd for juno-3?15:15
jd__Gnocchi dispatcher?15:16
* jd__ whispers15:16
ildikovjd__: I have several excuses, none of them is good enough for mentioning it here...15:16
jd__:-)15:16
eglynnildikov: are you still confident that it's do-able in the j-3 timeframe?15:17
ildikovif anyone would like to jump in, I will not kill him/her, otherwise, I'm on it, just had some environmental issues to fix15:17
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eglynnildikov: cool, understood! :)15:17
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ildikoveglynn: it has to be regardless my concerns...15:18
ildikoveglynn: still 4 weeks, right?15:18
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eglynnildikov: yep 4 weeks from today15:18
ildikoveglynn: cool, tnx15:18
eglynnOK, shall we move on?15:18
fabiog_eglynn: I responded already in Gerrit ;-)15:18
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eglynnfabiog_: thank you sir!15:19
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eglynn#topic Ironic conductor ipmi -> ceilometer saga (punted from last week)15:19
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eglynncdent: the floor is your's sir!15:19
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cdentI think we can punt this one further down, unless any is gasping for it.15:20
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eglynncdent: k ... Haomeng's patch has now landed amiright?15:20
cdentyes15:20
eglynn#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/send-data-to-ceilometer15:20
eglynncool, let's return to that so15:20
eglynn#topic Tempest status15:20
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eglynnDinaBelova: your mongodb experimental job landed, nice work!15:21
DinaBelovathank you sir :)15:21
DinaBelovaeglynn, it behaves quite nice :)15:21
DinaBelovaI encourage everyone who have ceilo changes to comment "check experimental" on your patches15:21
DinaBelovaand see what will happen15:21
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DinaBelovacurrently this job has experimental status and needs to be run manually15:22
eglynngreat! ... so maybe we could consider switching the main tempest job to mongodb if it continues to behave nicely for the next say week or so?15:22
DinaBelovaeglynn, I hope so, yes15:22
llu-laptopDinaBelova: so the magic cast is 'check experimental', literally?15:22
DinaBelovallu-laptop, yes15:23
llu-laptopgood15:23
eglynnDinaBelova: so se could potentially swap the status of sql-a and mongodb in the gate?15:23
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DinaBelovaeglynn, well, if TC and over community won't be agians - why not, actually15:23
DinaBelovathat will work faster and more stable I guess15:23
eglynni.e. mongodb becomes the main "blessed" job while sql-a becomes the second-tier15:23
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eglynnsince that the reality in terms of what is recommended by distros for production15:24
DinaBelovaeglynn, yeah, I got your idea - that lgtm actually, but we need QA team blessing here :)15:24
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eglynnDinaBelova: cool :) ... I'll raise at the project meeting next Tuesday15:24
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DinaBelovaeglynnm thank you sir - I'll try to attend - but it's late a little bit for me, so can't promise :)15:24
eglynn#action eglynn raise blessing the mongodb-based tempest variant at PTL meeting15:24
eglynnDinaBelova: np!15:25
DinaBelova:)15:25
eglynncool, this feels like real progress :)15:25
eglynnk, anything else on Tempest?15:25
DinaBelovaalso I've raised this question yesterday, but not all of us was aware, so I'll say one more thing here15:25
eglynnshoot!15:25
DinaBelovawe have notification tempest patches -2'ed -  https://review.openstack.org/67164 and https://review.openstack.org/7099815:26
DinaBelovathat15:26
DinaBelovathat is because of unstable gate tests passing here15:26
_nadya_nice :)15:26
DinaBelovasometimes notifications are just not comint15:26
DinaBelovacoming*15:26
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DinaBelova_nadya_, hehe15:26
DinaBelovaeglynn - as I remember, you even disabled nova notifications now to keep gate more or less stable15:27
eglynnDinaBelova: yes, I think these will have to be moved to the new in-tree functional tests15:27
_nadya_not comming or not sent?15:27
DinaBelova_nadya_, that actually is a good quesiton15:27
DinaBelovavrovachev could not reprouce it locally15:27
eglynn_nadya_: not arriving and persistent in the metering store in time I thought?15:27
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DinaBelovaeglynn, yes, at least it looks so after the logs surfing15:28
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DinaBelovabut we have no actual data to say - 'yes, it is so' - as it was not actually reproduced15:28
DinaBelovalocally15:28
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eglynnk, I think we're kind of blocked on that one unless we it's simply collector latency that would not be such an impact if the main tempest job were re-based on mongodb?15:29
DinaBelovaeglynn, yes, exactly15:29
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ildikovsounds more like an environmental or load related issue tho'15:29
gordcDinaBelova: have you tried just bumping up the number of collector workers?15:30
eglynnit's very hard to know without fully reproducing the Jenkins slave15:30
DinaBelovagordc, don't remember actually - I thought Vadim had tried different combinations...15:31
_nadya_ildikov: yep15:31
eglynngordc: that could be tried, tho' the tests would also have to unskipped to confirm15:31
ildikoveglynn: I know that is why I said sounds like :(15:31
DinaBelovaildikov, +115:31
llu-laptopin that case, should we postpone the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80225/ until we're sure that the notification won't get lost, at least not change the default publisher until then15:31
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gordceglynn: yeah, i'm not sure if its' helpful much either... might just be masking issue by incresaing workers.15:31
eglynnllu-laptop: can't we verify that wil local tempest runs?15:32
gordcwould be good if there were logs for mq15:32
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eglynngordc: k, worth experimenting with in any case I think15:32
DinaBelovagordc, YES, for sure15:32
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eglynnk, let's move on with the agenda15:32
DinaBelovaeglynn, ok15:32
eglynn#topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status15:32
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* eglynn passes the conch to jd__ ...15:33
jd__nothing really knew on that side for this week15:33
jd__s/knew/new/15:33
* DinaBelova whispers that initial python-opentsdbclient version was merged15:33
jd__I've started to work on the archiving policy we discussed at mid-cycle15:33
jd__cool DinaBelova15:34
eglynnjd__: cool15:34
jd__and I'm also working on tooz wrt the file driver we have in Gnocchi15:34
eglynnDinaBelova: I also had a quick peek at the opentsdb driver15:34
DinaBelovaso I rewritten opentsdb driver change to fit it15:34
DinaBelovaeglynn, oh, cool15:34
jd__finger crossed I'll have a first implementation of the archive policy patch for next week15:34
jd__s/finger/fingers/15:34
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eglynnjd__: excellent!15:34
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eglynnDinaBelova: so one thought that occurred is that we should think again out about what we consider the set of "standard aggregates" to be15:35
DinaBelovaeglynn, also I found one really interesting guy who used opentsdb much with ceilo - they have rewritten ceilo actually - so I'm trying to reach him for some experience here15:35
eglynnDinaBelova: (given that opentsdb doesn't support median etc.)15:35
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DinaBelovaeglynn, yeah, I found this moment too15:35
eglynncool15:35
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eglynnFYI on a more general point, I was asked to explain the background on gnocchi to the TC15:36
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eglynn... this ML thread is a precursor to that conversation15:36
eglynn#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042080.html15:36
DinaBelovaeglynn, yes, I saw the e-mail15:36
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eglynnthat'll prolly be at the TC meeting next week, if there's space on the agenda15:37
eglynnk, anything else to discuss on gnocchi folks?15:38
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eglynncdent: shall we un-punt IPMI in that case?15:38
eglynn#topic Ironic conductor ipmi -> ceilometer saga (punted from earlier in the meeting)15:39
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cdentThe basic gist there is looking for advice on what to do when code on the ceilo side has to work with code on another project's side and that other side has insufficient testing such that simple runtime bugs are being shown up by my own manual testing.15:40
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cdentI wonder if people have good ways of "managing" that.15:40
cdent(that's runtime bugs in the other side's code)15:40
eglynnso I guess the obvious one is to draw attention to this testing deficit on gerrit15:40
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eglynn(which I think you've already done)15:40
eglynnthe less obvious approach is to jump in and start the ball rolling on the other project15:41
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eglynni.e. by raising it on their meeting agenda15:41
eglynnor even by authoring and proposing patches with tests15:42
eglynnthough that involves obviously a big investment of time15:42
jd__send patches with unit tests + fixes to the other project, pointing how they suck? ;)15:42
cdentyou're so graceful jd__ :)15:42
jd__at least reporting a bug with a basic test in it on how to reproduce is a good thing15:42
jd__because sometimes you don't have the time or knowledge to fix it15:43
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jd__but most devs will feel the shame and will try to fix it since you provided a good way to reproduce it15:43
jd__:)15:43
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eglynnso I think the telling them, and then telling them again, will get you so far ...15:44
eglynn... but jumping in and actually leading by example can be a more powerful motivator for the other project15:44
jd__yes15:44
cdent15:44
* cdent worries about spread15:44
jd__the good strategy is to give everything you can and terminate by "how can I help more?"15:44
jd__that pushes the other dev to do something so you can help, and things move on :)15:44
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eglynnjd__: good point ... a helpful tone tends to be welcomed, whereas snark tends to be counter-productive15:45
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* jd__ nods15:45
eglynncdent: by "spread", you mean spreading cdent too thinly?15:46
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eglynncdent: yeah, I hear ya ... it's a balancing act to be sure15:46
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cdent(yes, on spread) In the particular case the response I got was the it was basically impossible to unit test the particular path that was (multiple times) causing problems.15:46
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cdentWhich suggests there's some kind of infrastructure problem that perhaps in-tree functional testing could help with, eventually.15:47
eglynncdent: you were unsatisified with that answer? ... i.e. felt it would/might be possible?15:47
eglynncdent: a-ha, yes, got it15:47
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* eglynn hopes we as a community are not starting to cargo-cult the new in-tree functional testing ...15:48
* eglynn meant that half in jest :)15:48
cdentit's a mythical savior, coming soon, probably around christmas15:48
DinaBelovacdent, :D15:49
DinaBelovayeah that looks quite mystical :) and mythical :)15:49
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eglynncdent: let's codename the project "santa" :)15:49
DinaBelovaeglynn, lol15:49
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eglynncdent: do you feel you've enough to go on with the above discussion?15:51
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cdentyup, just wanted to get a feel for people's approaches15:52
eglynncool15:52
eglynn#topic open discussion15:52
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ityaptinHi! One little update for performance tests.15:52
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eglynnityaptin: cool15:52
ityaptinI'm prepare doc for getting start tests with oslo messaging15:52
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ityaptinhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1MXhZRXm8UoEN1kYt2NdZe7qyMb7pM9aW1kq5TuGz5lc/edit?usp=sharing15:53
ityaptinIn doc there is plan for prepare for test and repository url15:53
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eglynnityaptin: a-ha, so this would it make it possible for anyone to run that load test?15:53
eglynn(as requested by gordc last week)15:54
ityaptinIf someone wants to trying perf tests and have questions or run into issues - please comment or edit)15:54
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ityaptinthreoreticall yes)15:54
eglynnityaptin: excellent, thanks!15:54
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eglynnit would be great if someone had time to try that15:54
eglynnonce it's proven out, maybe we could put the content up on the wiki?15:54
gordceglynn: i'm going to try to run it locally. of course it can't be compared to previous numbers since it's a diferent machine.15:56
gordcityaptin: i may ping you tomorrow. haven't tried to run it yet.15:56
ityaptinyes, we can) Also we can add  profiling graphs to wiki. They are very nice)15:56
ityaptingordc - ok)15:56
eglynngordc: excellent! :)15:56
eglynnwow, we've 3 whole minutes left in our slot15:57
eglynn... that's unusual :)15:57
llu-laptopityaptin: in step2, which file to create?15:57
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ityaptinfile with db urls, like hbase://localhost:909015:58
ityaptinone at line15:58
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ityaptinIt's used for configuration backend runtime)15:58
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llu-laptopityaptin: got that, thanks15:58
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eglynnok, thanks folks as always for a productive meeting15:59
eglynn... let's call it a wrap!15:59
eglynn#endmeeting15:59
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