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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 08:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
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| anteaya | raise your hand if you are here for the third party meeting | 08:00 |
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| anteaya | If I don't hear from anyone in the next 3 minutes I'm going to end the meeting | 08:27 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: hi | 08:28 |
| anteaya | oh hello jyuso1 | 08:28 |
| anteaya | how are you? | 08:28 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: Ive followed your advice and review the patch of asselin | 08:28 |
| anteaya | oh wonderful | 08:28 |
| anteaya | thank you | 08:28 |
| anteaya | I really appreciate that | 08:29 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: Thanks:) | 08:29 |
| anteaya | thank you! | 08:29 |
| anteaya | can you link me to the patch? | 08:29 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: now i think i should read this page and do some deployment:http://ci.openstack.org/running-your-own.html | 08:30 |
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| anteaya | to test the patch you mean? | 08:30 |
| anteaya | and note that that page is out of date in some areas | 08:30 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: Do we have a latest version? | 08:31 |
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| anteaya | no, not really | 08:31 |
| anteaya | I think there are some efforts to improve the documentation with some of asselin_'s patches | 08:31 |
| anteaya | so why do you say you should read that page and do some deployment? | 08:32 |
| anteaya | you have a system deployed | 08:32 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: yes,just want to deploy such CI infrastructure with this common way. | 08:32 |
| anteaya | ah yes | 08:32 |
| anteaya | okay can you link me to the patch you reviewed? | 08:33 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: ehh,in fact i just look those patch and didn't leave comment yet:( | 08:34 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:34 |
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| anteaya | good thing you looked | 08:34 |
| anteaya | leave your comment first | 08:34 |
| anteaya | take your time | 08:34 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: yes,i would.thanks:) | 08:34 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 08:36 |
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| anteaya | jyuso1: 8 minutes left and then I go back to bed | 08:52 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: OK.thanks.good night:) | 08:53 |
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| anteaya | jyuso1: thank you for all your help | 08:54 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: I look forward to hearing more about your progress | 08:54 |
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| jyuso1 | anteaya: Really thanks.I'll try.:) | 08:55 |
| anteaya | jyuso1: you are doing a wonderful job | 08:55 |
| anteaya | just keep doing what you are doing | 08:55 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:55 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: :) | 08:56 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:56 |
| anteaya | okay I'll end the meeting | 08:57 |
| anteaya | I look forward to talking to you again soo | 08:57 |
| anteaya | n | 08:57 |
| anteaya | see you next week perhaps | 08:57 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:57 |
| jyuso1 | anteaya: np.see you | 08:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 08:57:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-28-08.00.html | 08:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-28-08.00.txt | 08:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-28-08.00.log.html | 08:57 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 15:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | Anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 15:00 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | let's get started (others may appear later)... | 15:02 |
| edleafe | o/ | 15:02 |
| * bauzas waves late (again) | 15:02 | |
| n0ano | #topic Liberty specs | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty specs (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:02 | |
| n0ano | you may have noticed I created a tracking wiki for our Liberty specs - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt/liberty | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | if everyone could review it an make sure I've included everything that would be good. | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | to talk specifics for a minute, PaulMurray I believe your spec has already been re-approved for Liberty - right? | 15:03 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I began to draw something about that | 15:04 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, right | 15:04 |
| bauzas | n0ano: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas L89 | 15:04 |
| bauzas | n0ano: you can possibly take those | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: and I'm writing one last BP | 15:04 |
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| n0ano | PaulMurray, cool (I got that right :-), especically since it's half implemented that should go through | 15:04 |
| bauzas | n0ano: which will require a spec | 15:05 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, johnthetubaguy told me it did not need a spec | 15:05 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, so he approved the bp | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: I was not referring to your BP :) | 15:05 |
| PaulMurray | oh - what are you referring to ? | 15:06 |
| bauzas | sec | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: oh, maybe I still need to approve it for liberty? I may have confused myself on that one | 15:06 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: n0ano: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/check-destination-on-migrations | 15:06 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, hate to comment on spcs vs. blueprints, I still think there's confusion on that | 15:07 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I can help you on that | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: if you need clarification on any specific thing, just ask me in IRC, let me find the doc for you... | 15:07 |
| bauzas | n0ano: if you have quesitons | 15:07 |
| n0ano | I'm not confused, I think other people are | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: this is the agreed process, with examples: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/kilo.blueprints.html#when-is-a-blueprint-needed | 15:08 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, you approved the bp with target liberty-1 on grounds that its all up for review already | 15:08 |
| bauzas | but basically, something trivial doesn't need a spec, but some trivial thing needing having an operator visibility deserves a spec | 15:08 |
| bauzas | like API changes or DB migrations | 15:08 |
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| n0ano | we're in the situation where the spec was approved for Kilo but all it's patches didn't make it... | 15:09 |
| n0ano | now we have active BPs and a spec that needs to be re-approved for Liberty | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: if there are issues, do raise them in the nova-meeting in the open discussion, and we can try clarify and update the docs if needed, my advice is to "ask questions" | 15:09 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: it can be fast-approved as a spec | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: emailed on the ML, same as last release, spec is only approved for one release, the BP will be unapproved to show that | 15:10 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I had my 2 specs very quickly approved for Liberty since they were already approved for some previous cycles | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: the process is email me or ping me if there is confusion, and I will sort it out for you | 15:10 |
| n0ano | bauzas, that's what I was hoping, in fact, I was hoping that all out Kilo specs that didn't get implemented could be quickly re-approved | 15:10 |
| n0ano | s/out/our | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: its on the ML, just resubmit with the tag PreviouslyApproved: kilo | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | and ping me if we are slow | 15:11 |
| bauzas | n0ano: at least the ones I reproposed were re-approved | 15:11 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I didn't resubmit for jaypipes or PaulMurray's ones | 15:11 |
| n0ano | bauzas, then the only ones left are PaulMurray (we just talked about it) and jay's for object models (he should be on top of that) | 15:12 |
| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, bauzas so I should resubmit the spec then? | 15:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yup, I already discussed with jay about that and he accepted to do so | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | PaulMurray: almost certainly yes, ping me after with a link, and I can confirm | 15:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: but we can probably hassle him :) | 15:12 |
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| PaulMurray | johnthetubaguy, ok | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | more details here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/readme.html | 15:13 |
| n0ano | little bit of process foo needed but I think we're sorted now | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | they might need updating a bit | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ideas on how to make this all clearer are very welcome | 15:14 |
| n0ano | well, it would be clearer to me if we dropped specs and went back to just blueprints but I don't think I want to fight that battle | 15:14 |
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| n0ano | in summary, bauzas has re-submitted his specs and needs to submit a new one, PaulMurray will re-submit his and hopefully jay is on top of re-submitting his | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I actually need to submit two :D | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/check-destination-on-migrations and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/shared-state-scheduler | 15:17 |
| n0ano | bauzas, that works also, I just want to keep on top of the work we're doing so nothing drops through the cracks | 15:17 |
| bauzas | n0ano: agreed | 15:17 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, I'll add those two to the wiki, unfortunately since they're new the approval process might take a little longer | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: fair point | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: but new is always better, right ? :) | 15:18 |
| n0ano | bauzas, don't get me started :-) | 15:18 |
| n0ano | I think we're good on this subject for now, let's move on... | 15:19 |
| bauzas | yeah | 15:19 |
| n0ano | #topic Liberty summit ideas | 15:19 |
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| bauzas | so, I guess most of you guys missed that | 15:19 |
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| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas L270 and below | 15:20 |
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| n0ano | looks like Wed. 9-10:30 is the scheduler session | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: looks like the whole morning, you mean ? | 15:21 |
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| edleafe | yeah, the whole morning | 15:22 |
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| edleafe | with cells and RT | 15:22 |
| bauzas | n0ano: because, and that's my 2nd point, cells V2 people need us | 15:22 |
| n0ano | I guess the question is what about cross project, wed. morning looks like it just Nova focused | 15:22 |
| bauzas | n0ano: cross-project stuff is on *Tuesday* | 15:22 |
| n0ano | I see that on the schedule but it's not broken out, just all day | 15:23 |
| bauzas | n0ano: because cross-project proposals are not managed by the nova team | 15:23 |
| bauzas | n0ano: tl;dr tues is for cross-project talks, wed for nova internals, thurs for operator-related nova stuff and friday is free beer event | 15:24 |
| n0ano | I hope they are managed by someone, who do we need to lobby to make sure the scheduler is covered | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: for the cross-project related stuff ? | 15:25 |
| n0ano | bauzas, yes | 15:25 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, I actually discussed with a neutron guy and he wants to do QoS | 15:25 |
| edleafe | ttx might be a good starting point | 15:25 |
| edleafe | n0ano: ^^ | 15:25 |
| bauzas | n0ano: but I don't know exactly if we need to produce a cross-project show | 15:25 |
| n0ano | edleafe, yeah, good point, I'll ask him what the plans are | 15:26 |
| bauzas | n0ano: in particular as it's quite unclear if we shape the scheduler out of nova, or if we leverage it inline | 15:26 |
| n0ano | bauzas, without spcifics about what to discuss at x-project I'm afraid nothing will be decided | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: the main problem is that we have little to show up | 15:27 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: like saying "eh, that's how it will work" | 15:27 |
| bauzas | even if we have a plan | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, I'm more interested in asking Cinder, Neutron, Containers - what do you need to be measured and how do you want things scheduled - e.g. what are your requirements | 15:28 |
| edleafe | n0ano: the cross-project meeting is later today | 15:29 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that's worth asking | 15:29 |
| bauzas | edleafe: it has been cancelled | 15:29 |
| bauzas | for today I mean | 15:29 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: ah - hadn't seen that | 15:29 |
| edleafe | it's still on my scheudler | 15:29 |
| n0ano | I'll start with email to ttx and go from there, I can attend a x-project IRC next week (today would be prolematic)(= | 15:30 |
| bauzas | you have a CrossProjectFilter ? | 15:30 |
| edleafe | n0ano: that goes to what I've been pushing: defining what a resource is, for anything that might be scheduled | 15:30 |
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| edleafe | i.e., how to represent resources abstractly | 15:30 |
| n0ano | edleafe, +1 | 15:30 |
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| edleafe | the current design is completely compute-centric | 15:31 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, you think :-) | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: that's just the whole idea of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/resource-objects | 15:31 |
| PaulMurray | edleafe, I'll bend your ear on that one | 15:31 |
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| PaulMurray | edleafe, (that means tell you everything I want - not hurt you in any way ) | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: without ^, I think we would face some hard time, in particular given the optimistic design of the scheduler | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: because it implies a check for claiming a resource that the project needs to implement | 15:33 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yes, resource objects are a great idea | 15:33 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: resource objects are just one flip side of the problem | 15:33 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: they are how to describe a resource | 15:33 |
| edleafe | we just need to make sure that they can adequately represent all the resources we may be scheduling | 15:33 |
| bauzas | edleafe: the other side is how to consume it | 15:33 |
| bauzas | ajo: around ? | 15:34 |
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| edleafe | PaulMurray: yeah, I know the phrase :) | 15:34 |
| bauzas | ajo was having a good example of what neutron guys want to achieve | 15:34 |
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| edleafe | claiming will always be racy with two sources of data | 15:35 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, which two sources are you thinking of? | 15:36 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's what I'm beginning to think that the scheduler is definitely nova-centric | 15:36 |
| bauzas | edleafe: because at the end, the user wants to boot a VM | 15:36 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: nova db and scheduler db/in-memory | 15:37 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but it could only be one way to claim, either you ask for a VM (then Nova), or for a volume (then Cinder) | 15:37 |
| n0ano | bauzas, or allocate storage (Cinder) or assign a network (Neutron) - it's not all about VMs | 15:37 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: it depends on your usecases | 15:37 |
| bauzas | n0ano: if you're VM-centric or not | 15:38 |
| bauzas | n0ano: but yeah | 15:38 |
| edleafe | bauzas: assuming it's all about VMs would not be good | 15:38 |
| n0ano | edleafe, I assume that ultimately the source of truth will be in-memory, not DB, and ther'll only be one soruce | 15:38 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's what I want to achieve with shared-state-scheduler, my big baby I want to grow up :) | 15:38 |
| * n0ano needs to learn to type today, hopefully everyone can work out what I'm saying | 15:38 | |
| edleafe | n0ano: no worries; we ignore what you write :) | 15:39 |
| bauzas | n0ano: edleafe: I would recommend you to read https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/shared-state-scheduler and the associated etherpads | 15:39 |
| bauzas | etherpad even | 15:39 |
| n0ano | edleafe, touche :-) | 15:39 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: yes, I've read them | 15:39 |
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| lxsli | o/ sorry I'm late | 15:39 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: so there is actually no matter of a Nova DB or whatever | 15:39 |
| n0ano | lxsli, NP, we just gave all the ARs to you :-) | 15:40 |
| bauzas | edleafe: we have a datastore that needs to be updated | 15:40 |
| edleafe | bauzas: by nova :) | 15:40 |
| edleafe | (or any other scheduled service) | 15:40 |
| lxsli | :) | 15:40 |
| bauzas | edleafe: by the scheduler rather | 15:40 |
| n0ano | edleafe, hopefully by the resource manager (may or may not be part of Nova) | 15:41 |
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| bauzas | anyway, we're diverting | 15:41 |
| n0ano | bauzas, true, this is kind of summit discussion but we can probably move on... | 15:42 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:42 |
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| n0ano | Anything new for today? | 15:42 |
| PaulMurray | out of interest | 15:42 |
| PaulMurray | has anyone come across anything to do with something like "rack aware scheduling" etc. recently | 15:43 |
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| PaulMurray | or any other kind of infrastructure or HA awareness | 15:43 |
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| n0ano | PaulMurray, I think people inside Intel are thinking about that, I don't have any more details but I can find out | 15:43 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: affinity filters can help that, but nothing really physical yet | 15:44 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, we're certainly look into HA issues | 15:44 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, would be good - I ask because I have some requirements in that area currently | 15:44 |
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| PaulMurray | would be good to discuss with intersted parties | 15:44 |
| bauzas | n0ano: the HA story is not provided by the scheduler | 15:44 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, are you more intersted in physicality or HA | 15:44 |
| bauzas | the Nova community is very clear on that | 15:44 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, I wouldn't say `provided by` but it can have an impact | 15:45 |
| PaulMurray | not necessarily HA - more about placement relative to other things | 15:45 |
| PaulMurray | the requirements come form things like hadoop | 15:45 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: eh, that reminds me something starting with Solver and ending with Scheduler | 15:46 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: but to be clear, nothing but affinity filters and servergroups now | 15:46 |
| n0ano | PaulMurray, I can check, I think we have people looking into that area just not in my group | 15:46 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, that is on the right track, but it doesn't really have to be that complicated | 15:47 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, thanks | 15:47 |
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| n0ano | Anything else? | 15:47 |
| n0ano | I'm hearing crickets so... | 15:48 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: if it's all about HA http://blog.russellbryant.net/2015/04/08/implementation-of-pacemaker-managed-openstack-vm-recovery/ | 15:48 |
| n0ano | after being startled for a moment the crickets came back | 15:49 |
| n0ano | OK, tnx everyone and we'll talk next week | 15:50 |
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| bauzas | cool bye | 15:50 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 15:50:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-28-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-28-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-28-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
| bauzas | just because I had that in mind for a while | 15:50 |
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| bauzas | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7_KFazcb3w | 15:50 |
| bauzas | n0ano: ^ | 15:50 |
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| n0ano | oh, cute :-) | 15:51 |
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| ajo | ahhh bauzas , when it's next meeting? I'll try to join | 16:54 |
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| amaretskiy | #startmeeting Rally | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 17:00:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amaretskiy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:00 |
| amaretskiy | hi all | 17:00 |
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| amaretskiy | let's start our meeting | 17:01 |
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| amaretskiy | #topic Rally QA week | 17:03 |
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| meteorfox | QA -> as in quality assurance, or questions/answers? | 17:04 |
| redixin | questions/answers week =)) | 17:04 |
| amaretskiy | we have an internal plan for QA week | 17:04 |
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| amaretskiy | redixin please say what are your tasks within QA week | 17:05 |
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| redixin | my? | 17:05 |
| amaretskiy | yes :) | 17:05 |
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| redixin | i should set up fuel job on Mirantis Rally CI, and I have a question | 17:05 |
| amaretskiy | according to the plan that was written by boris-42 | 17:05 |
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| amaretskiy | what is that question? | 17:06 |
| redixin | rally is refusing to launch task if there no openstack deployment | 17:06 |
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| redixin | so we should fix this first | 17:06 |
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| amaretskiy | good question | 17:06 |
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| amaretskiy | actually I'm working on this problem | 17:07 |
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| rvasilets_ | o/ | 17:07 |
| redixin | so, is there any progress on using fuel client without openstack cloud? | 17:07 |
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| amaretskiy | I believe we are making our next step to using rally as independent benchmarking tool | 17:08 |
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| redixin | ok. so i have a fuel deployment, and ready to launch job, but | 17:08 |
| amaretskiy | the only solution for this specific case (I think) is to unbound rally from OpenStack environment | 17:08 |
| redixin | i need to know how to set up rally to launch task vs fuel | 17:08 |
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| redixin | so when you done, please give me link to patchset, and I'll make a gate job | 17:09 |
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| amaretskiy | yes, I'm working on that and I already have dirty implementation of working fuel client inside scenario | 17:10 |
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| redixin | good | 17:10 |
| amaretskiy | but I still haven't unbound rally scenario from deployment | 17:10 |
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| amaretskiy | Thi si sin progress | 17:10 |
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| amaretskiy | So, let's resume this | 17:10 |
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| redixin | wait | 17:11 |
| redixin | there is one more patch | 17:11 |
| redixin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175549/ <- | 17:11 |
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| redixin | this patch is almost done. there is one small change left | 17:12 |
| redixin | it introduces "jobs manifests" | 17:12 |
| amaretskiy | Great. I will review it tomorrow | 17:12 |
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| redixin | thanks | 17:13 |
| amaretskiy | Colleagues, let's review this patch | 17:13 |
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| redixin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175549/ | 17:13 |
| redixin | omg how this chat bot works :0 | 17:14 |
| amaretskiy | For QA Week, I also have tasks - they are: 1) implement osclients.register() and 2) work with oanifriev on fuel scenarios (create/delete/list_environments) | 17:14 |
| yfried|prtially_ | amaretskiy: sorry to ask, but what is QA Week? | 17:14 |
| redixin | osclients.register() is for qa week? O_O | 17:14 |
| yfried|prtially_ | amaretskiy: just a link if possible | 17:14 |
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| amaretskiy | redixin, yes :) | 17:15 |
| meteorfox | yfried|prtially_: QA -> questions/answers but I have no idea what does that entails, and why there's a week for that | 17:15 |
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| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177884/ | 17:15 |
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| redixin | quality assurance | 17:15 |
| meteorfox | oh ok | 17:16 |
| redixin | it was a joke about Q&A week | 17:16 |
| amaretskiy | :) | 17:16 |
| yfried|prtially_ | redixin: is it an openstack thing, or a Mirantis thing? | 17:16 |
| meteorfox | oh lol :) I'm dum like that | 17:16 |
| meteorfox | dumb | 17:16 |
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| rvasilets_ | Mirantis | 17:16 |
| amaretskiy | meteorfox: we have internal tasks for this week :) | 17:16 |
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| redixin | it should be really a lot people with questions to make a Q&A week | 17:16 |
| amaretskiy | So, let's resume with QA week | 17:17 |
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| meteorfox | redixin: lol haha | 17:17 |
| amaretskiy | we have tasks regarding fuel scenarios and we have a problem related to that - it is not solved yet | 17:17 |
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| amaretskiy | Let;s do the following - I will try to find the solution tomorrow, or at least provide the descriptive information for possible solution | 17:18 |
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| amaretskiy | rvasilets_ what is your tasks for QA Week ? | 17:19 |
| meteorfox | amaretskiy: redixin: is there a public place, where these QA tasks are shown | 17:19 |
| meteorfox | besides here in chat log | 17:19 |
| rvasilets_ | Me and mdubov was assigned to do Murano benchmarks | 17:19 |
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| rvasilets_ | After a few discussion with murano team they understand that Murano has a bug and here is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1449545 | 17:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1449545 in murano "Unable to delete environment(timeout)" [Undecided,New] | 17:20 |
| amaretskiy | meteorfox unfortunately the doc has internal access and I do not know sharing policy about it :( | 17:20 |
| rvasilets_ | We a almost block before thay fix this problem | 17:20 |
| rvasilets_ | eof | 17:21 |
| redixin | meteorfox, looks like no | 17:21 |
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| amaretskiy | rvasilets: okay, great | 17:21 |
| redixin | so, on QA week we are just working on our usual patches? | 17:21 |
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| amaretskiy | redixin as far as I know we have specific patches to work on this week | 17:22 |
| redixin | fuel scenarios, murano scenarios etc | 17:22 |
| amaretskiy | not "regular" :) | 17:22 |
| redixin | why it is called QA? | 17:22 |
| amaretskiy | redixin just look at the doc | 17:22 |
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| rvasilets_ | This is the name given by elterman | 17:23 |
| amaretskiy | redixin as far as I know these "QA" patches related to testing improvements :) | 17:23 |
| pradeep | amaretskiy: What are 0.4 priorities? | 17:23 |
| redixin | rally is whole related to testing improvements %) | 17:23 |
| amaretskiy | redixin Ido you have access to the doc ? | 17:24 |
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| redixin | yes but question is not about it | 17:24 |
| redixin | nvm | 17:24 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 17:24 |
| amaretskiy | any other questions regarding QA week tasks? | 17:24 |
| rvasilets_ | Elterman gave edict to all project to improve coverage | 17:24 |
| rvasilets_ | no | 17:24 |
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| amaretskiy | okay, let's proceed to next topic | 17:25 |
| amaretskiy | #topic Upcoming Rally 0.0.4 release: progress on critical patches | 17:25 |
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| redixin | pradeep, there is a google doc somewhere with links | 17:25 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TX5zpYcTX8AXm-K_h1lzUNVCMvbRgsjUKU-dEYNWLY8/edit | 17:26 |
| yfried | redixin: can't this be tracked via launchpad? | 17:26 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/important-for-next-release | 17:26 |
| redixin | yfried, our PTL hates launchpad and loves google docs | 17:26 |
| yfried | redixin: All hail our PTL :) | 17:26 |
| amaretskiy | yfried we have blueprint just to mark patches as release-important | 17:27 |
| amaretskiy | So, let's discuss important patches | 17:27 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: ok, are these documented anywhere? this is the first time I see the release doc and the bp | 17:27 |
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| yfried | amaretskiy: I suggest a bp for each release, because a single bp would quickly get overcrowded | 17:28 |
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| amaretskiy | yfried: we need to discuss this with boris-42 | 17:28 |
| amaretskiy | I can not solve this :) | 17:28 |
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| redixin | blueprint is here, but no patches | 17:29 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: ok. meanwhile, where are the links published? readthedocs? | 17:29 |
| yfried | irc topic? | 17:29 |
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| redixin | so we can track only in google doc at this time | 17:29 |
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| amaretskiy | yfried I'm not sure that the link is published | 17:29 |
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| rvasilets_ | in roadmap at 2nd page | 17:30 |
| rvasilets_ | first link | 17:30 |
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| amaretskiy | I believe we will discuss this with boris-42 | 17:30 |
| rvasilets_ | it is | 17:30 |
| amaretskiy | sorry, I just forgotten that | 17:30 |
| yfried | rvasilets_: tnx. it is | 17:30 |
| amaretskiy | of course, road map :) | 17:31 |
| redixin | we should add this topic to agenda to next meeting. we should discuss all this tracking stuff | 17:31 |
| yfried | redixin: +1 was gonna right that | 17:31 |
| amaretskiy | I think upcoming release definitely will be in next meeting agenda :) | 17:32 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: let's move on | 17:32 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137650/ | 17:32 |
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| amaretskiy | rvasilets_ do you know what is the progress on thi spatch | 17:33 |
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| rvasilets_ | After discussion with murano we understand that context is working right | 17:34 |
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| rvasilets_ | And there is small suggestion wich I try today/tomorrow to realize | 17:35 |
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| rvasilets_ | but its nut about logic | 17:35 |
| rvasilets_ | eom | 17:35 |
| rvasilets_ | *not | 17:35 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 17:36 |
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| amaretskiy | this patch is ready for review | 17:36 |
| amaretskiy | colleagues, let's review it! | 17:37 |
| amaretskiy | next patch | 17:37 |
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| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171625/ | 17:37 |
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| amaretskiy | rvasilets_ what status for it? | 17:38 |
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| rvasilets_ | Murano team give me also one suggestion which I have already realized but I have ni submited it yet. Logic is right but I have found bug in Murano | 17:39 |
| rvasilets_ | with delete environment | 17:40 |
| rvasilets_ | realized -> implemented | 17:40 |
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| rvasilets_ | and I can continue to work on this scenario only after there will repair Murano | 17:41 |
| rvasilets_ | eom | 17:41 |
| amaretskiy | rvasilets_, ok, hope this will be solved soon | 17:41 |
| amaretskiy | next patch | 17:41 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162418/ | 17:42 |
| amaretskiy | does anybody have news from Antonio Messina regarding this patch? | 17:42 |
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| redixin | nope | 17:43 |
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| amaretskiy | I hope he will finish his great work, this patch is almost complete | 17:43 |
| pradeep | amaretskiy: "Allow installation as unprivileged user" is huge work which changes major chunk. | 17:43 |
| amaretskiy | pradee actually this patch is working and required updates does not seem huge | 17:43 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: I actually don't like this patch. It's making some decision that break current behavior. I really don't think it should be merged as is | 17:43 |
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| pradeep | amaretskiy: I had issues with this patch on Fedora22 | 17:44 |
| yfried | I had issues with this on f20 as well | 17:44 |
| amaretskiy | yfried: this patch definitely should be updated, but it is great in general | 17:44 |
| pradeep | yfried: amaretskiy : Q: Why do we need this? | 17:44 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: I've posted my objections. most were ignored | 17:44 |
| amaretskiy | yfried: so we need to be sure it is working on fedora | 17:45 |
| yfried | pradeep: we need this. | 17:45 |
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| pradeep | DO we have solid use case? | 17:45 |
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| amaretskiy | okay, anyway we can not discuss this patch with author for now | 17:45 |
| redixin | pradeep, install different versions of rally in different venvs | 17:46 |
| amaretskiy | pradeep we have use case and we need this patch | 17:46 |
| redixin | pradeep, install rally without root privileges | 17:46 |
| amaretskiy | users must have abilitu to install rally without root access | 17:46 |
| pradeep | redixin: let me try | 17:46 |
| amaretskiy | okay, lets proceed to next patch | 17:46 |
| yfried | pradeep: install rally without sudo | 17:47 |
| amaretskiy | I skip pathes of boris-42 since hi is on a vacation | 17:47 |
| yfried | pradeep: are you taking over this patch? | 17:47 |
| amaretskiy | let's move to next topic | 17:48 |
| amaretskiy | #topic Spec on refactoring scenario utils: review and discussion | 17:48 |
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| pradeep | yfried: i tried without sudo | 17:49 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172831/ | 17:49 |
| pradeep | any way let me re-try. Its been while. | 17:49 |
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| yfried | amaretskiy: so about this spec, | 17:49 |
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| amaretskiy | colleagues, please review this spec | 17:50 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: I've had conflicting reviews from you and boris, and ambiguous comments from meteorfox | 17:50 |
| amaretskiy | yes, ideas differ :) | 17:50 |
| yfried | apart from you, I've been unable to get more info from boris and meteorfox | 17:50 |
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| amaretskiy | lets at least collect all items we agree and all that are not decided | 17:51 |
| meteorfox | yfried: sorry about that. I'll try to be more clearer with my comments | 17:51 |
| amaretskiy | i believe we agree about creating `services' package | 17:51 |
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| amaretskiy | and move shared logic from scenarios utis there | 17:51 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: yeah, but it seems we don't agree about what should be in it :) | 17:51 |
| amaretskiy | is that correct? | 17:52 |
| amaretskiy | yes | 17:52 |
| amaretskiy | next point, that, I believe, we agreed | 17:52 |
| amaretskiy | is path to this package | 17:52 |
| amaretskiy | rally.plugins.services | 17:52 |
| amaretskiy | is that correct? | 17:53 |
| yfried | I think so | 17:53 |
| amaretskiy | so, for example, service for keystone/identity will be rally.plugins.services.identity | 17:53 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: ack | 17:54 |
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| amaretskiy | I think we haven't decided yet about services naming - by type (identity) of by name (keystone) | 17:54 |
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| meteorfox | yfried: in my case, what I was referring to 'API versioning', as I understand the spec, one of the things it intends to add, is supporting multiple API versions, but the example included doesn't seem to show how exactly one refers to a specific versions, or how they are handled | 17:54 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: that could be argued on patches | 17:54 |
| amaretskiy | but at least we can submit updates spec with already solved pionts - this spec will be more clear | 17:54 |
| amaretskiy | yes | 17:55 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: will do | 17:55 |
| amaretskiy | the main question (as far as I understood) is atomic actions | 17:55 |
| yfried | meteorfox: you mean how rally will know to use keystoneV2 or V3 | 17:55 |
| yfried | ? | 17:55 |
| yfried | amaretskiy: I wonder if this should be blocked until atomicmixin is ready | 17:56 |
| meteorfox | yfried: right, so when the scenario is being written, how does one use the different versions | 17:56 |
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| amaretskiy | solution for versioning is also opened question | 17:56 |
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| yfried | meteorfox: so assuming you have a generic operation, the code in common should replace the wrappers | 17:56 |
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| amaretskiy | atomic actions is great question, and this question requires boris-42 participation | 17:57 |
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| yfried | meteorfox: same way that it is done now | 17:57 |
| meteorfox | yfried: ok, boris-42 suggested something like this, http://paste.openstack.org/show/210538/ but I'm not convinced I like it. | 17:57 |
| amaretskiy | I propose to submit updated spec with already agreed points so we can proceed a bit easy in discussion | 17:58 |
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| yfried | amaretskiy: will do | 17:58 |
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| amaretskiy | yfried: thank you | 17:58 |
| amaretskiy | okay, let;s proceed to next topic | 17:58 |
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| amaretskiy | #topic Spec on in-tree functional tests: review and discussion (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166487/) | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec on in-tree functional tests: review and discussion (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166487/) (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 17:59 | |
| yfried | meteorfox: let's continue this offline. please post clarifications to review | 17:59 |
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| amaretskiy | okay | 17:59 |
| meteorfox | yfried: sure, will do. | 17:59 |
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| amaretskiy | let's go into rally chat | 17:59 |
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| amaretskiy | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opens (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 18:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-28-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-28-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-28-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samueldmq, htruta, amolock, wanghong, fmarco76, davechen, dims, ericksonsantos, erictchiu it is that time of the week | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| raildo | \o/ | 18:00 |
| henrynash | and a fine time of the week it is too | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | already Tuesday? | 18:00 |
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| rharwood | \o/ | 18:01 |
| bknudson | taco tuesday | 18:01 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:01 |
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| marekd | o/ | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | will give people another couple moments to get here. | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | hi | 18:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:01 |
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| amakarov | hi! | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | glad you could join us stevemar :) | 18:02 |
| henrynash | nephew to uncle Henry: What’s green and goes up and down | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting keystone | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 18:02:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | Hi everyone! | 18:02 |
| henrynash | answer: spring cabbage | 18:02 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | welcome to "it's almost summit time" edition of the Keystone meeting | 18:02 |
| geoffarnold | Greetings | 18:02 |
| ayoung | BURMA! | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic rollcall | 18:02 |
| ayoung | Sorry, I panicked | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
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| ayoung | ROBOT ROLL CALL! | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | #vote Rollcall! here | 18:02 |
| bknudson | tom servo | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:03 |
| rharwood | #vote pedro | 18:03 |
| henrynash | #votre here | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | #startvote Rollcall! here | 18:03 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #vote here | 18:03 |
| marekd | #vote here | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | #startvote Rollcall? here | 18:03 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Rollcall? Valid vote options are here. | 18:03 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 18:03 |
| raildo | #vote here | 18:03 |
| rharwood | #vote here | 18:03 |
| david8hu | #vote here | 18:03 |
| dstanek | #vote here, there, everywhere | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | #vote here | 18:03 |
| geoffarnold | #vote here | 18:03 |
| openstack | dstanek: here, there, everywhere is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #vote here | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | #vote here | 18:03 |
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| gyee | #vote here | 18:03 |
| marekd | #vote here | 18:03 |
| henrynash | #vote here | 18:03 |
| roxanaghe | #vote here | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here\ | 18:03 |
| openstack | ayoung: here\ is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #vote pedro | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:03 |
| openstack | stevemar: pedro is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:03 |
| amakarov | #vote here | 18:03 |
| dstanek | openstack: valid options are where? | 18:03 |
| stevemar | #vote for stevemar! | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:03 |
| openstack | stevemar: for stevemar! is not a valid option. Valid options are here. | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:03 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | This is the last rollcall | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | i will be unioning the last 3 meetings roll calls | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | and updating the list | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | fyi | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #vote here | 18:04 |
| gyee | ayoung, voter fraud | 18:04 |
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| dstanek | then the room self destructs and we forget this ever happened | 18:04 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek: what ever happened? | 18:04 |
| dolphm | #vote here | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | 20s more | 18:04 |
| henrynash | (them tune to mission impossible starts playing) | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | #vote here | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | your mission should you choose to accept it... | 18:04 |
| lhcheng | #vote here | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | #endvote | 18:05 |
| openstack | Voted on "Rollcall?" Results are | 18:05 |
| openstack | here (17): rodrigods, gyee, lbragstad, ayoung, morganfainberg, lhcheng, marekd, geoffarnold, david8hu, dolphm, samueldmq, amakarov, henrynash, roxanaghe, rharwood, raildo, stevemar | 18:05 |
| ayoung | #vote here | 18:05 |
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| jamielennox | #vote here | 18:05 |
| jamielennox | aww | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: saw it. no worries | 18:05 |
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| henrynash | slackers | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | jamielennox, always missing out | 18:05 |
| ayoung | HA! | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | ok going to do things a bit out of order today | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | so we can get the easy stuff done first | 18:05 |
| jamielennox | always miss the first couple of minutes.. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Midcycle update | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle update (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:06 | |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: o/ | 18:06 |
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| bknudson | skip the snooze alarm | 18:06 |
| ayoung | OK...Midcycle | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | #action morganfainberg to send midcycle info email this week | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | I've been talking with Orran Kreiger of the Mass. Open CLoud effort, HQed at Boston University. | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | Since it is summer session, there should be ample space available. | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | great. | 18:07 |
| ayoung | We're trying to lock down where exactly that is, but suffice to say, BU should be a GO for the Midcycle | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | which dates? | 18:07 |
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| dolphm | BU? | 18:07 |
| * bknudson books travel | 18:07 | |
| dstanek | dates and hotel info is important | 18:07 |
| ayoung | There are even Dorm rooms available if people want, at $75 / night | 18:07 |
| marekd | Boston university i guess | 18:07 |
| david8hu | @ayoung Dorm rooms will be available as well for keystoners? | 18:07 |
| dolphm | boston U? | 18:07 |
| dstanek | dolphm: yes | 18:07 |
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| gyee | co-ed? | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | dolphm, Boston University | 18:07 |
| * geoffarnold plans to spend a few days with family | 18:08 | |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: Jul 15-17? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | Yes. that is the preferred dates | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: ok we will plan for 15-17 | 18:08 |
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| morganfainberg | #info Keystone midcycle, July 15-17 at Boston University | 18:08 |
| henrynash | Henry confirms hs is definitely, categorically, not moving house then | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | #action ayoung to look into RedHat sponsorship of food etc. | 18:09 |
| ayoung | Parking is $8/day, and if overnight parking is needed I believe that is $24/day. | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | #action morganfainberg to look into HP sponsorship of food etc | 18:09 |
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| bknudson | baked beans | 18:09 |
| david8hu | ayoung: AAA discount for overnight stay in the dorm room? | 18:09 |
| ayoung | There might be better hotel options per COmapny, if your company has a presense in the area. If so, please find out and share | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | I'll be looking into hotel blocks | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | etc | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | but that can wait a week or two | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | or until the summit | 18:10 |
| bknudson | let's not spend the whole summit talking about the mid-cycle. | 18:11 |
| ayoung | There is a really nice room in the Photonics building, but it is not available until the 28th. I don't think we want to wait on that, right? | 18:11 |
| ayoung | July 27-29 | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: the goal is to do what we mostly do at the midcycle at the summit | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: specifics about what will happen at the midcycle will be discussed *post* summit (e.g. goals/targets/etc) | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, just to firm up; I asked them to target a space for 30 people | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: perfect | 18:12 |
| ayoung | is that too high or too low? | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: we will keep it at max 30 | 18:12 |
| bknudson | I invited dhellmann to the meetup since he hasn't been to any. | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | i think 20-25 has been the numbers the last couple times | 18:12 |
| morganfainberg | but 30 is our hard cap. | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | ok lets keep moving | 18:13 |
| ayoung | OK. I think, then, we can probably even make use of a standard classroom. Should give us more options | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | #topic For stevedore, should I assume no extensions? | 18:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "For stevedore, should I assume no extensions? (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:13 | |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: o/ | 18:13 |
| bknudson | so just a question on whether the stevedore should assume that extensions are there or not. | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i would drop the "Extension" part | 18:13 |
| bknudson | i.e., should I have "contrib" in the endpoint names. | 18:13 |
| gyee | shouldn't they be discoverable? | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | i like the keystone.X | 18:13 |
| gyee | extensions I mean | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | not keystone.contrib.x | 18:13 |
| bknudson | otherwise whoever does the final work for removing extensions will have to update the entrypoints | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: hopefully we will see continued progress on dropping extensions into core this cycle. | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: lets just drop contrib now. | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | unless someone is opposed to that | 18:14 |
| bknudson | so if people agree I'll just drop the contrib. | 18:14 |
| bknudson | I'm not opposed. | 18:14 |
| jamielennox | i don't mind, it's not hard either way | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | vote ? | 18:15 |
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| stevemar | i'd like to see contrib go away | 18:15 |
| gyee | drop contrib from where, request PATH? | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | samueldmq: just say if you're opposed to dropping .contrib. from the entrypoint name | 18:15 |
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| jamielennox | gyee: it's the stevedore namespace for finding the driver | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: for stevedore loading, the entrypoint name should be Keystone.X or Keystone.contrib.X ? | 18:15 |
| stevemar | bknudson, tell dhellmann to organize an oslo meetup :P | 18:15 |
| gyee | oh that, should be fine | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | going once. | 18:16 |
| dhellmann | stevemar: that's dims' problem now | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, no I am not :) | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | twice | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | ok bknudson, dropping .contrib. now is the course | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | vs. later | 18:16 |
| bknudson | ok, thanks | 18:16 |
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| dhellmann | I would include "keystone" in the entry point namespace, but not in the name of each entry point, fwiw | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | dhellmann: the namespace yes | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | k | 18:17 |
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| gyee | shouldn't be any backward compat concern right? | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | #info stevedore loading of extension/backends will not include '.contrib.' in the namespace | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Release Notes (Kilo) | 18:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Notes (Kilo) (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:17 | |
| morganfainberg | RC2 is kilo | 18:17 |
| jamielennox | and please review the change that moves the first ext into core | 18:17 |
| morganfainberg | it will be released on thursday | 18:17 |
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| dhellmann | gyee: what we did in some other projects early on was register the old importable name as a duplicate plugin name (so "kombu" and "oslo.messaging.drivers.impl_kombu" pointed to the same thing) | 18:17 |
| amakarov | so we'll have all batteries right under keystone. ? | 18:18 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.29 | 18:18 |
| amakarov | won't it be a bit messy? | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | please look at it. | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov: this is specifically about .contrib. code | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov: which is being moved into core already | 18:18 |
| gyee | dhellmann, so we'll need to use the same trick? | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov: so it would require a change later | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: bknudson is already handling those cases | 18:19 |
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| gyee | excellent | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | so | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | release notes | 18:19 |
| jamielennox | gyee: we were just doing if you don't find it in stevedore fallback to the old way | 18:19 |
| bknudson | the import code just falls back to the old method if stevedore didn't work. | 18:19 |
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| morganfainberg | the release notes need to be done by EOD tomorrow | 18:19 |
| morganfainberg | I need someone willing to take on working on release notes | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | I am going to be offline all tomorrow | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | I will be doing some further work today. but i don't think it will be complete | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | everyone should feel free to edit them. | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | but i need a specific person delegated the job of "ensuring they are spot on" | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, is that just to detail those points | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | and you'll talk w/ ttx tomorrow | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | to confirm everything is on track | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | samueldmq: it's making sure the notes are complete | 18:21 |
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| samueldmq | morganfainberg, I can do if you want me to | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: yay! | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | samueldmq: work with dolph | 18:21 |
| samueldmq | ++ | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | #action dolphm and samueldmq to confirm release notes are complete for Kilo by EOD Wednesday | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | ok moving on to summit and liberty planning | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | going to spend ½ the rest of the meeting on liberty priorities thne we will switch to summit planning so we can assign slots for session topics | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Liberty Priorities | 18:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty Priorities (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:23 | |
| morganfainberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-liberty-priority-specs | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | So. It's that time. what are we wanting to focus on for Liberty? | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | these aren't written in stone | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | just the first pass of priorities | 18:23 |
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| gyee | Give me Liberty, or give me money back! | 18:24 |
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| amakarov | I'd like to see functional testing implemented | 18:25 |
| marekd | I might have some objectives regarding intercloud stuff, but that needs some more in depth discussions probably over the summit. | 18:25 |
| marekd | amakarov: ++ | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | Dual Scoped Token again? | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | marekd: intercloud stuff is worth a summit session for sure | 18:25 |
| bknudson | I'm planning on just reviewing stuff as it comes up. | 18:25 |
| stevemar | bknudson, no big features? | 18:25 |
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| marekd | morganfainberg: i am not proposing anything for liberty know because as you know i don't have anything very detailed. I am really counting on some brainstorming with you in 3 weeks. | 18:26 |
| stevemar | (from you) | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | marekd: sure. | 18:26 |
| bknudson | My employer doesn't give me time to implement any features. | 18:26 |
| marekd | stevemar: reviews from bknudson are big feature itself. | 18:26 |
| raildo | ayoung, we have a spec for this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/176054/3/specs/liberty/dual-scoped-token.rst, I believe that we don't need to discuss in summit, but we want to implement this on liberty: | 18:26 |
| dstanek | amakarov: we need some volunteers to start writing tests | 18:26 |
| stevemar | marekd, true | 18:26 |
| amakarov | dstanek, myself and I'll try to talk bbobrov into it :) | 18:27 |
| marekd | dstanek: there was some trials with federation setup/tests so, as long this is not done i can probably help with federation part of the functional tests. | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | so the way I'm seeing it now: | 18:27 |
| ayoung | raildo, probably not | 18:27 |
| ayoung | but let me read up first | 18:28 |
| dstanek | marekd: you're going to be at the summit right? | 18:28 |
| marekd | dstanek: yes! | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | Features that look like they are a priority (API impacting): Policy, ???, ???, ???, Domain SQL enhancements | 18:28 |
| dstanek | marekd: we should work together to get all the federation stuff done | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dula scope is confusing, | 18:28 |
| dstanek | just added Python3 to the list | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | oh and one of those ??? is reseller | 18:28 |
| ayoung | but...the bones of the idea are solid | 18:28 |
| ayoung | raildo, my only issue is with what we are calling it | 18:29 |
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| marekd | dstanek: as much as time lets us do this. | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | so I'm ok with solving the other priorities at the summit for API impacting | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | dual scoped is going to think people want one token for two projects. | 18:29 |
| bknudson | if marekd isn't there, a poster of him will be. | 18:29 |
| gyee | ayoung, polymorphism | 18:29 |
| ayoung | And people have asked for that | 18:29 |
| amakarov | As we deprecate LDAP assignment backend we need to start hardening SQL backend to support multi-master environments | 18:29 |
| ayoung | gyee, just polyps actually | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | with the caveat that specs are proposed to the backlog before we all fly to vancouver | 18:29 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: maybe we don’t need to call it anything…it’s just teh token you get on a project this is alos acting as a domain? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | henrynash, ++ | 18:30 |
| amakarov | For ex. ensure we don't use autoincrement | 18:30 |
| ayoung | henrynash, 100% | 18:30 |
| raildo | ayoung, yes... we are improving it. the dual scoped token is for just one entity that behaviour as project and a domain. | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: we probably need to support domain in the scope if it doesn't break anything | 18:30 |
| raildo | henrynash, ++ | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | but easy to do that. | 18:30 |
| gyee | call it the "magik token" | 18:30 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, what about splitting up keystone? | 18:30 |
| marekd | stevemar: microservices? | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: is that a realistic target for liberty | 18:30 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: yep…if you explictly ask for domain scope…that’s all you get | 18:30 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, hmm... maybe not | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | gyee, magic token hahah | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | i'm inclined to say we would need to focus on auth shuffling and/or a conductor like interface to identity store if we want that | 18:31 |
| dstanek | we should at least remove the circular deps is any still exist | 18:31 |
| amakarov | stevemar, we'll need a ton of TNT to explode it :) | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | but a real split... i don't think will happen | 18:31 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I think so | 18:31 |
| ayoung | stevemar, identity can be split off, as can policy, leaving assignment in the middle | 18:31 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, ++ for conductor | 18:31 |
| gyee | that one's very useful | 18:31 |
| marekd | gyee: morganfainberg what's conductor? | 18:31 |
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| stevemar | i think it's worth a chat, but maybe not realistic for L | 18:32 |
| gyee | marekd, layers between core and drivers | 18:32 |
| gyee | layer | 18:32 |
| ayoung | stevemar, specifcially, we idenitfy new service types: identity is the good name, but really should be the user and group operations. token ops happen on Keystone assignmnet service. Policy is its own service. Maybe catalog, too | 18:32 |
| dstanek | we needs to fix the layers we already have. especially isolating web stuff from the rest of the system | 18:33 |
| jamielennox | but conductor for nova is a separate application - i don't see us needing that for keystone | 18:33 |
| amakarov | gyee, is there a spec for conductor? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | stevemar, we start the ball rolling | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | for non-API impacting (aka not "features"), I see priorities being (in this order): stevedore for drivers, Functional Testing, Stable KSDI (driver interfaces) [yes this is personal bias], Fix Dependency Injection (no circular deps), Pecan, python3, v3-only | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | but assume that all these things are running in one server | 18:33 |
| geoffarnold | http://docs.openstack.org/havana/config-reference/content/section_conductor.html | 18:33 |
| gyee | marekd, we can essentially does orchestration workflow in there | 18:33 |
| ayoung | just to get the service catalog straight, and fix the client. | 18:33 |
| marekd | geoffarnold: thanks. | 18:33 |
| amakarov | morganfainberg, v2.0 will be dropped? | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | amakarov: deprecated officially if openstack works with v2 turned off | 18:34 |
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| dstanek | conductor sounds like architecture envy - seems overly complicated for this cycle | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek: agreed. it's too much. | 18:34 |
| amakarov | dstanek, ++ | 18:34 |
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| jamielennox | overly complicated in general for us | 18:35 |
| bknudson | the priorities mentioned by morganfainberg look good to me. | 18:35 |
| ayoung | we dopn't need conductor | 18:35 |
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| geoffarnold | Conductor is most important for large scale in-service updates, so that mixed version configs will work | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | they need it for thngs that are NOT the API service talking to the DB\ | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | if we split off identity into it's own API conductor might be required | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | it's own micro-service thing | 18:35 |
| geoffarnold | I don't see that we need it | 18:35 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I don't think so ...different architecture | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | it's a long term goal | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | anyway | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: we shouldn't, identity would just manage it's own db | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: how does assignment ask identity for user-information then? or are we pure federated? | 18:36 |
| bknudson | are there specs or blueprints for everything on the priority list? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | even if Identity "wrote" to the user table and tokens read from the user table, they can still share a DB instance for that and get things optimized | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: the Stable KSDI, and python 3 has specs proposed to backlog | 18:36 |
| ayoung | the one par to API V3 we should look at sp[litting off in liberty is policy | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: sure there's some for of request/response there but why couldn't that just be the public identity API | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: dependency fix is backlog iirc already, v3 only isn't a spec [it's cross-project devstack-y stuff] | 18:37 |
| bknudson | do we also have middleware and client priorities? | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, pecan is maybe a spec? | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: middleware is going to release like the server, but i think it's not going to grow a lot of new features/capabilities | 18:37 |
| jamielennox | do we want a spec for pecan? that review's so old i hadn't considered it | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: yes please | 18:38 |
| geoffarnold | For Liberty, I'm assuming that once all of the other projects have figured out what they need to do in order to support hierarchical multitenancy, we may get a few small change requests. Good to close out most of that during the summit | 18:38 |
| ayoung | geoffarnold, ++ | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | ok let me re-iterate priorities: | 18:38 |
| bknudson | I'd like bp/auth-token-use-client to be a priority, since it was approved in K timeframe but didn't make it. | 18:38 |
| rodrigods | geoffarnold, ++ | 18:38 |
| ayoung | middleware's big thing is going to be tokenless | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | and...we need to make sure we make that work for X509, but also Kerberos and Basic Auth | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: sure, the other thing i want to do for middleware is the bp/request-helpers and doing X-Service-Token automatically | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | API Impacting: Reseller(Has Spec, Approved), Domain SQL Enhancements (Needs spec?), Policy(Has spec, which specs?), TBD@Summit, TBD@summit | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | anyone have anything to add to that^ | 18:39 |
| bknudson | how about getting rid of extensions? | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: sure that BP should be non-api impacting | 18:40 |
| gyee | ayoung, the bit and pieces are in place to support Kerberos and Basic Auth | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i'll add that to the non-api impacting list. | 18:40 |
| bknudson | really? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: the middleware one | 18:40 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: was the non-api impacting | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: sorry was slow typing. | 18:40 |
| bknudson | I'm now suggesting getting rid of extensions as API impacting. | 18:41 |
| ayoung | gyee, yes...on the server side. Just want to make sure the middleware gets what it needs, too | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | ok we have 2 open priorities: tokenless-auth/operations one of them? or decide at summit? and rid of extensions is the other proposal | 18:41 |
| bknudson | I'd like to see tokenless-auth on the list. | 18:41 |
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| morganfainberg | ok | 18:41 |
| ayoung | tokenless-auth/operations should be there | 18:41 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, tokenless-auth has already decided | 18:41 |
| gyee | we just need to get the impl in | 18:41 |
| morganfainberg | API Impacting: Reseller(Has Spec, Approved), Domain SQL Enhancements (Needs spec?), Policy(Has spec, which specs?), Tokenless-auth(Has Spec, not approved), TBD@summit | 18:42 |
| ayoung | its close, last I saw | 18:42 |
| jamielennox | gyee: and figure out how tokenless-auth is going to impact X-Service-Tokens | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: i'd be ok with adding "no-more extensions" | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: if someone is signing up to do the work/spec | 18:42 |
| gyee | jamielennox, not yet, still losing hair over that one | 18:42 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: I’ll have a speci for the Domain SQL Enhancements ready before the summit | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash: ok | 18:43 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, lets say dynamic-policy for now, and decide at the summit how far we are willing to commit to on that | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: ok | 18:43 |
| stevemar | tokenless-auth (has code) | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: just remember API impacting code freeze is liberty | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | 2 | 18:43 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think we can cover that whole spec, | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:43 |
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| david8hu | ayoung, I signed up to help with dynamic policy. Do not forget about me :) | 18:43 |
| gyee | stevemar, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156870/ | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | ok lets leave the last slot open for TBD@summit | 18:44 |
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| gyee | only thing missing in that patch is to support ephemeral user | 18:44 |
| ayoung | david8hu, you and samueldmq are going to become good friends | 18:44 |
| stevemar | gyee, yep, i know - i've been reviewing it :P | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | we cna slot in extensions-no-more if we don't have something else to fill it | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, hi - reading up | 18:44 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, that's not user facing though | 18:44 |
| stevemar | well, it sort of is | 18:44 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, K2K client extensions? | 18:44 |
| david8hu | ayoung, we should have Philz coffee together ;) | 18:44 |
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| marekd | ayoung: that could include what i will probably want to wark | 18:44 |
| marekd | work | 18:44 |
| ayoung | We need a smarter client approach if K2K is going to be part of it. | 18:44 |
| marekd | on | 18:44 |
| ayoung | marekd, cool | 18:45 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: ^^ | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, K2K client plugin is under review | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | and waiting for suggestions in its design | 18:45 |
| stevemar | ayoung, there are a few bits of code around that are for k2k | 18:45 |
| * dims peeks | 18:45 | |
| stevemar | and we have a guy internally looking to add k2k support for horizon | 18:45 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, its more than just an auth plugin. It needs to be smart about chosing "where to go" and I will wave my hands and dance and things | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, ++ david8hu we can sync up later, I can work together in the specs (cleaning, etc0 | 18:45 |
| gyee | K2K is a workflow, just like aggregator | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | #info Liberty Priorities (API Impacting): Reseller(Approved Spec), Domain SQL Enhancements(Spec will be prior to summit), Dynamic-Policy(Clear Spec proposed before summit, Scope TBD @ summit), Tokenless-auth (Has Spec, needs approval, code ready), TBD@summit | 18:45 |
| ayoung | so..is this a good lead in to the policy discussion morganfainberg ? | 18:46 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, exactly, just called plugin because it was the first term | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: going to finish the non-api list | 18:46 |
| bknudson | those priorities look good to me. | 18:46 |
| samleon | stevemar, that's great, thanks for that | 18:46 |
| ayoung | k | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: then we will slip over to policy | 18:46 |
| ayoung | 15 minutes left | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | then do summit planning in -keystone channel | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | re-iterating non-API impacting priorities | 18:46 |
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| david8hu | samueldmq, we are going to have so much fun | 18:47 |
| marekd | lol | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | david8hu, ++ | 18:47 |
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| morganfainberg | stevedore for drivers(Approved, No-spec), Functional Testing (has spec?), Stable KSDI (has spec, against backlog), Fix Dependency Injection (has spec?), Pecan (needs spec?), python3 (has spec, backlog), v3-only (no keystone spec needed), keystonemiddleware-uses-auth-plugins(code-ready, has spec, approved) | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | marekd, hehe lol | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | am i missing anything from that list? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | or did i add anything that shouldn't be there? | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | token provider cleanup? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: ah yes | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | or is that in a different category? | 18:48 |
| gyee | ABI? | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: Stable KSDI | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | gyee: it's there | 18:48 |
| gyee | ah | 18:48 |
| marekd | ayoung: for the 'smarter client approach for k2k' i think we will have to stick with token-per-cloud for now. | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | marekd: yes | 18:49 |
| marekd | ayoung: and teach ksc to handle multiple tokens | 18:49 |
| ayoung | marekd, that is fine. Questions is "when to get the token" | 18:49 |
| bknudson | I'm fine with those priorities. | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | me too | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | anyone want to add more to the list/take things off? | 18:49 |
| gyee | marekd, yes, don't think you want to share the fernet key :) | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | i will need some people to step up for taking on some of the work. | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | and we will need specs. | 18:49 |
| bknudson | I don't understand the need for pecan. | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: it's a swap of the route framework. | 18:49 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: so, this intercloud thing? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we are just starting to see Federation take off. I'd like to leave some wiggle room in there for features we find neceesarty to make federation usable | 18:50 |
| marekd | morganfainberg: unless you say no to add it here until summit | 18:50 |
| ayoung | like...delegating the mapping rules to non-admin users | 18:50 |
| gyee | bknudson, uh, because pecan sounds sexy? | 18:50 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: I added one otehr minor one taht was approved for Kilo (supression of “extra” attr in SQL DB entities) | 18:50 |
| dolphm | gyee: i don't know what you're talking about, we're building a pastebin-backed distributed fernet key share | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: we have an open API impact, and we can always change prio/drop them as needed at the summit | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: this is not "in stone" | 18:50 |
| bknudson | gyee: I've been using pecans all wrong then. | 18:50 |
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| amakarov | henrynash, ++ | 18:50 |
| ayoung | then I'm good | 18:50 |
| gyee | dolphm, I mean sharing key among independent clouds | 18:50 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: i'd like it for a couple of reasons, to get rid of our home grown wsgi that makes a mess, to get some structure to our models so i can find routes by api, not by component | 18:50 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: it would be a cleanup/tech-debt paydown on how we build the routing framework | 18:50 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | and ^^ that | 18:51 |
| gyee | dolphm, share among instances, absolutely | 18:51 |
| stevemar | ayoung, ++ | 18:51 |
| marekd | ayoung: ++ | 18:51 |
| stevemar | ayoung, something will come down the pipeline for federation | 18:51 |
| ayoung | I'd like to start policy now, if that is ok | 18:51 |
| ayoung | 9 minutes | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: but i don't have any particular love for pecan, i just want to use some existing component | 18:51 |
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| geoffarnold | i'm focussed on reseller-style federation | 18:51 |
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| dolphm | gyee: and share with your end users. why make them auth with keystone when they can generate keys securely client-side? | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | ok sec and we will let rocky say 2 min thing then policy | 18:51 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: I’m not sure that it actually cahnges the API spec….so will move it to the other section | 18:51 |
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| Rockyg | sorry, missed most of the meeting, but I'd like to make sure tests that run on clouds in the wild, non-admin are part of the liberty cycle | 18:51 |
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| bknudson | isn't that a question for tempest? | 18:52 |
| Rockyg | For trademark, but most importantly for interop between clouds and moving apps between clouds, we need to verify keystone key behaviors | 18:52 |
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| Rockyg | It is both tempest and defcore. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | #info Non-API Impacting Priorities: stevedore for drivers(Approved, No-spec), Functional Testing (has spec, needs approval), Stable KSDI (has spec, against backlog), Fix Dependency Injection (has spec, needs approval), Pecan (needs spec), python3 (has spec, backlog), v3-only (no keystone spec needed), keystonemiddleware-uses-auth-plugins(code-ready, has spec, approved), Token Provider Cleanup | 18:52 |
| gyee | dolphm, no, not sharing with end users, I mean sharing with neighbor clouds, I was responds to marekd's one token per cloud comment | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | Rockyg: that's a good point - i don't know if we can do anything from keystone specifically - but maybe an inter-project thing at summit needs to be 'how to write admin-less policy files' | 18:52 |
| dolphm | gyee: oh you're serious | 18:53 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Testing admin-less | 18:53 |
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| Rockyg | The key is that there are certain assumptions tempest make that make testing outside of devstack hard | 18:53 |
| bknudson | I assume there's already tempest tests for getting a token and using it. | 18:53 |
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| Rockyg | jamielennox: ++ | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | gyee: your key management story gets a little more complicated (not sure but I have a feeling security would be tough?) | 18:53 |
| ayoung | gyee, I wrote that up years ago | 18:54 |
| gyee | lbragstad, you did see the :) at the end of my first comment | 18:54 |
| bknudson | I think getting a token and using it is the important part that needs to be standard | 18:54 |
| ayoung | split on domain lines | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: gyee: please hold this convo until later | 18:54 |
| Rockyg | also, basic tests that validate keystone enforces roles. So negative tests that validate you get the right error message | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | "who can sign for what" | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad: gyee: we have little time left | 18:54 |
| ayoung | OK..policy | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: sec. wait for Rockyg to finish | 18:54 |
| Rockyg | Currently all of the tempest tests require admin privelege | 18:54 |
| Rockyg | tenant admin is ok, but not cloud. | 18:54 |
| ayoung | Rockyg, oof, yeah, that could be bad | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | Rockyg: and you want us to help with tests that would show API functionality w/o admin | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | ? | 18:55 |
| Rockyg | Yes, please | 18:55 |
| ayoung | Rockyg, you need the policy stuff I'm about to talk about | 18:55 |
| geoffarnold | Not just w/o admin, but with domain-local admin | 18:55 |
| Rockyg | cool. OK. | 18:55 |
| bknudson | keystone will need to have some users. | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | Ok, please think aobut that and we should help Rockyg out. | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | and this does play right into policy | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | so... | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Policy | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | OK... | 18:55 |
| Rockyg | also, quickie, I think bknudson is the guy, but a liaison for log wg | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: sorry about the limited time left | 18:56 |
| jamielennox | Rockyg: so i made a start on that in tempest to assume a domain scoped token, but i think that'll mostly be a tempest issue | 18:56 |
| ayoung | ioram, has a proof of concept of DB drive policy | 18:56 |
| ayoung | they are using a library that is py3 only | 18:56 |
| ayoung | ioram, want to expound? | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: unfortunately we can't make things py3 only | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | (4min left) | 18:56 |
| Rockyg | jamielennox: great. Let's talk either elsewhere in IRC, or at the summit. | 18:56 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, but we can potentially make db-driven policy Py3 only. It can be optional to start | 18:57 |
| geoffarnold | Is there a wiki page on the policy ideas? | 18:57 |
| ayoung | and, we can work towards splitting policy off of the rest of the Keystone server | 18:57 |
| ioram | ok. hi guys. My PhD is on federated policy administration service for multi cloud environment. | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: negative. i do not want py3 only code in the tree until we drop py27 | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | sorry | 18:57 |
| ioram | And I've been working on a database model to store Openstack policies. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, ok, we'll have to work to backport the DNF code that they are using, or find an alternative | 18:57 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: yes. | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | ayoung, morganfainberg: agree - but it's easier to support both py2/py3 if you start with py3 | 18:58 |
| ayoung | ioram, what is the library? | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: if the library is py3 only it's harder. | 18:58 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133814/ | 18:58 |
| ayoung | OK...since little time | 18:59 |
| ayoung | henrynash, need you to stick around and discuss roles in #keystone | 18:59 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i mean surely they'll accept patches to support py2 as well | 18:59 |
| ioram | The library is to transform any logical expression into DNF. The name is pyeda. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyeda | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: i hope | 18:59 |
| david8hu | ioram, have you have a chance to review ayoung's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133814/ | 18:59 |
| ayoung | david8hu, he | 18:59 |
| ayoung | 's take n ownership of it | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | ioram: i'm not opposed to that, but we will need to make it either py2 compat as well *or* find an alternative | 18:59 |
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| ioram | The latest version don't support Py2.7, but I think there are some old ones that does. Maybe these old version also work for us. | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | ok we're out of time. | 19:00 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think that is fine. Suspect Py27 would be easiest, | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | ioram: we will need to look into it | 19:00 |
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| samueldmq | ioram, I can also discuss with you some alternative post-meeting :) | 19:00 |
| ayoung | everyone back to #openstack-keystone | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | so summit session planning in -keystone | 19:00 |
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| samueldmq | ioram, feel free to ping me to talk about it | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | lets let infra have their meeting slot | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 19:00:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-28-18.02.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-28-18.02.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-28-18.02.log.html | 19:00 |
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| ioram | ok! let's talk samueldmq! | 19:00 |
| stevemar | hi infra! | 19:00 |
| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:00 |
| nibalizer | hiiii | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | seems we have some topic fixing to do | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | powers unite | 19:01 |
| IlyaG | I guess I missed the meeting ;( | 19:01 |
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| fungi | i'll fix it fast | 19:01 |
| morganfainberg | fungi: hold on.. let me mop up. it got a little messy | 19:01 |
| stevemar | fungi, you're 2 days too early | 19:01 |
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| * morganfainberg mops the floor quickly and lets infra use the channel... with a fresh orang-y smell to it | 19:01 | |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | clarkb: mordred: jhesketh: hey there | 19:03 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:03 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:03 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:03 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:03 |
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| fungi | SergeyLukjanov: ^ | 19:04 |
| fungi | jeblair said he's unlikely to attend | 19:04 |
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| fungi | conferencythings | 19:04 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | okay, let's get this part started | 19:04 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 19:04:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:04 |
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| fungi | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:04 |
| greghaynes | O/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:05 |
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| mordred | jeblair and I will be in France tomorrow and thursday, so may be even more offline - and then he's sticking around for friday as well | 19:05 |
| fungi | make sure you add summit session topic ideas/preferences to the etherpad | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-liberty-summit-planning | 19:05 |
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| fungi | jeblair said he plans to organize/finalize what's there at the end of the week or early next | 19:05 |
| fungi | so time is of the essence | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-21-19.01.html | 19:06 |
| fungi | #action fungi check our cinder quota in rax-dfw | 19:06 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 19:06 |
| fungi | i have not done that, so popping it back into the list | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Specs | 19:07 |
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| fungi | skipping these--we'll have plenty of new ones to start putting on the list once we summit | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:07 |
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| fungi | i'll try to get through these quickly... | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Swift logs) | 19:08 |
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| fungi | so... we're doing more of these i gather... | 19:08 |
| fungi | saw some bugs recentlyish? | 19:08 |
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| mordred | something about swift not being reachable | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | we need to add support to os-loganalyze to serve non-log files still | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | we tried this but had to revert | 19:08 |
| fungi | there were those jobs clarkb spotted yesterday hung for hours after (or while) trying to upload logs | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | so we will probably need to increase our testing before continuing | 19:09 |
| asselin_ | o/ | 19:09 |
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| fungi | jhesketh: did you get the paste i provided of the traceback for the non-log serving problem? | 19:09 |
| clarkb | fungi: I haven't seen that, any cahnce you can link it here? | 19:09 |
| jhesketh | fungi: I think they were due to network issues | 19:09 |
| fungi | if not, i can likely dig the paste url out of my irc history | 19:09 |
| jhesketh | fungi: ditto, I haven't seend that | 19:09 |
| fungi | finding | 19:10 |
| jhesketh | the upload stuff has been hardened a little last night to retry a few times before failing | 19:10 |
| jhesketh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178199/ | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | I will review that after the meeting | 19:12 |
| fungi | i'm not having a ton of luck tracking down the paste, so probably to do it after the meeting | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178199/ | 19:12 |
| fungi | er, better to | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | okay | 19:13 |
| fungi | i'll need to triangulate based on timing of the revert and associated conversation in channel | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | so we probably can switch over some more jobs with simple logs but some of them will depend on fixing static file serving | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | otherwise it's progressing well and not much new to report (afaik) | 19:13 |
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| fungi | okay, cool | 19:14 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Nodepool DIB) | 19:14 |
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| greghaynes | all the required DIB changes are merged | 19:15 |
| greghaynes | theres one last fix that id like to merge before cutting a release | 19:15 |
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| greghaynes | and its just waiting on CI | 19:15 |
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| fungi | on the bindep front, i got back to manual testing to make sure it's doing what we want before tagging. turned up a minor parsing bug which is easy to fix but i'm struggling figuring out how to add a regression test. should have that up soon after the meeting | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | There was talk about us being able to test consolodated images once the dib release is cut? | 19:16 |
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| clarkb | consolidated images? | 19:16 |
| mordred | clarkb: one-image-to-rule-them-all | 19:16 |
| greghaynes | the image that boots in all the places | 19:16 |
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| mordred | well, there are two aspects | 19:16 |
| clarkb | we need nodepool shade + image uploads which is merge conflicted iirc | 19:17 |
| mordred | one is "boot image of type X in all the places" | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | also not sure if my -1 there was ever addressed | 19:17 |
| mordred | one is "stop having multiple types" | 19:17 |
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| greghaynes | Yes, it might be nice to switch over to the new dib images (which use *-minimal) in hp first? | 19:17 |
| mordred | I have not gone back to the nodepool patches because we've been landing more testing for things in shade | 19:17 |
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| mordred | I'll do re-address the nodepool patches on the plane this week | 19:18 |
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| mordred | greghaynes: I think we actually want to add a new image type for both clouds first - then run tests on it via experimental | 19:18 |
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| greghaynes | sgtm | 19:18 |
| greghaynes | I can play with that | 19:18 |
| mordred | since there are some differences in image content and we want to make sure those don't break tests | 19:19 |
| mordred | cool | 19:19 |
| fungi | oh, still need centos-6 nodes | 19:19 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/171286 | 19:19 |
| mordred | fungi: we support those too | 19:19 |
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| yolanda | mordred, which kind of tests are you talking about? | 19:19 |
| fungi | i mean my review to add centos-6 nodes | 19:19 |
| clarkb | oh it lost my +2 | 19:19 |
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| fungi | yeah, i had to rebase because it started to merge-conflict on the log config | 19:19 |
| mordred | yolanda: we need to run devstack-gate on the new nodes | 19:19 |
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| fungi | i've still got some more manual bindep vetting to do, so might turn up a few other minor bugs. also i'll probably add a trivial --version option before releasing. should have the remaining reviews up today sometime | 19:20 |
| yolanda | mordred, then it's quite related to my epc | 19:20 |
| yolanda | spec | 19:20 |
| mordred | yolanda: to make sure that the switch to the ubuntu-minimal doesn't kill things | 19:20 |
| mordred | yolanda: yes- but this time I think we want to do it by hand | 19:20 |
| mordred | ut it would be covered by your spec in the future for sure | 19:20 |
| yolanda | mordred, how can this fit there? https://review.openstack.org/139598 | 19:20 |
| clarkb | well and I am not sure we would make use of that spec upstream | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | I know jeblair is largely against that type of testing unless his opinion has changed | 19:21 |
| mordred | yah - let me rephrase | 19:21 |
| clarkb | (he doesn't want us to go without image updates due to an automated process) | 19:21 |
| mordred | I don't want to conflate the two | 19:21 |
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| mordred | right now, we're tantalizingly close to getting dib-nodepool landed | 19:21 |
| fungi | right, his concerns are validated by the fact that we used to have this | 19:21 |
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| fungi | and it was terrible | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | agreed they are separate concerns, Ithink anytime you bring on a new image you need to vet it directly | 19:21 |
| fungi | we ran devstack smoke tests on new images before marking them available, and nondeterministic bugs in the tests meant that we often failed to update images | 19:22 |
| yolanda | clarkb, so you prefer validating an image manually all days prior to using that? | 19:22 |
| mordred | yah - and even though these are replacements, they are _new_ images | 19:22 |
| clarkb | yolanda: when it is a new image yes | 19:22 |
| yolanda | a new image, means new distro? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | yolanda: new build process | 19:23 |
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| yolanda | ok, it's different scope then | 19:23 |
| clarkb | could be new distro but in this case its changing how we build the image | 19:23 |
| yolanda | agree | 19:23 |
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| yolanda | so i need to do sort of that but in a daily way, but is for downstream issues | 19:24 |
| mordred | yah. and in the downstream case the automated testing daily makes total sense | 19:24 |
| yolanda | yep, mirrors updating, packages, etc | 19:24 |
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| fungi | maybe? i wouldn't be surprised if false negatives in those tests ended up causing you to end up with stale images regularly | 19:24 |
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| yolanda | fungi, i wanted to add some retry to discard false positives as well | 19:25 |
| yolanda | but it can happen, yes | 19:25 |
| mordred | fungi: possibly - but in this case, downstream is also the vendor for the os images | 19:25 |
| mordred | fungi: so actually trapping all of the things is important | 19:25 |
| fungi | i suppose simple declarative tests might work, like "here is the list of packages i require to be in an installed state" | 19:26 |
| mordred | like the reason jeblair does not like this for upstream is teh exact same reason it's a good idea for them downstream | 19:26 |
| greghaynes | For those kinds of tests theres some new DIB test functionality we should use | 19:26 |
| greghaynes | which we can test per-commit | 19:26 |
| fungi | as opposed to functional tests like "do nova unit tests complete successfully on this node" | 19:26 |
| mordred | greghaynes: woot | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: ++ | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: similar to how we use the ready script | 19:26 |
| mordred | so - I'd like to suggest that now is probably not the right time to design downstream image testing | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: eg can I resolve a name in dns | 19:26 |
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| yolanda | greghaynes, can i know more about it? maybe you can explain me later | 19:26 |
| greghaynes | yolanda: yep | 19:26 |
| yolanda | thx | 19:27 |
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| fungi | so... anything else nodepool+dib related? | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | just one last thing | 19:28 |
| clarkb | I would like to see us try to do one thing at a time, not 5 at a time | 19:28 |
| clarkb | so if we can draft up a priority list that would be good | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | otherwise debugging is going to be unfun | 19:28 |
| mordred | clarkb: I believe I agree with you, but can you be more specific? | 19:28 |
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| fungi | at least in places where the work intersects | 19:28 |
| clarkb | bindep -> nodepool shade uploads -> ubuntu-minimal for example | 19:28 |
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| mordred | right. totally agree | 19:28 |
| fungi | some of that involves non-impacting prep work which can happen in parallel | 19:29 |
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| fungi | but, like, actually putting bindep into production use would be something we'd need to coordinate against other potentially impacting changes | 19:29 |
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| mordred | clarkb: let's make a priority list / sequence | 19:29 |
| mordred | clarkb: I've got one in my head - but it's possible you do not share my brain | 19:29 |
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| fungi | or starting to use shade to upload would be a potentially impacting thing we'd need to coordinate | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | mordred: that would be a neat trick, we don't need a list now but ya lets do that | 19:30 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | minimizing the change sounds like a good idea | 19:30 |
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| mordred | biggest question I think ... | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | In theory, storyboard is good for this? | 19:30 |
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| mordred | is going to be "do we do ubuntu-minimal to hpcloud with current nodepool, then shade uploads to hp, then add dib uploads to rax" | 19:30 |
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| mordred | or - "do we do shade uploads with current ubuntu image, then ubuntu-minimal to hpcloud, then add dib uploads to rax" | 19:31 |
| mordred | but those three are a sequence | 19:31 |
| mordred | and doing 2 of them at once will be too complex | 19:31 |
| clarkb | IMO shade uploads first because using one image across rax and hpcloud is far more important that ubuntu-minimal | 19:32 |
| mordred | we can't do one image without ubuntu-minimal | 19:32 |
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| fungi | as far as the nodepool+dib plan goes, bindep is mainly just the bit which will allow us to not have to care about dib'ing the bare-.* workers. it can come last-last | 19:32 |
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| mordred | the entire thing behind ubuntu-minimal is making an image that we can boot in rax | 19:32 |
| mordred | it's the reason rax is at the end of the list both times - but there are two changes to the plumbing that we can do and test before adding rax to the mix | 19:33 |
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| SpamapS | Could we just do ubuntu-minimal, without any other changes? | 19:33 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:33 |
| greghaynes | *-minimal, yes we could | 19:33 |
| mordred | SpamapS: yes. that is a thing we can do | 19:33 |
| greghaynes | which I am very much a fan of :) get something totally "done" | 19:34 |
| mordred | (it's possible we did not succeeed with "don't make the list now") | 19:34 |
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| fungi | er, yeah | 19:34 |
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| SpamapS | So, if we look at it as an airport where we have only one runway, and we need to land, and give things time to taxi/clear ... ubuntu-minimal.. shade uploads.. bindep? | 19:34 |
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| mordred | have rax as thing 3 | 19:35 |
| mordred | ubuntu-minimal ... shade uplodates ... uploads to rax ... bindep | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | ahhh right | 19:35 |
| mordred | that way we're just testing that shade doesn't break HP in that step | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | I keep forgetting those are two different things. :) | 19:35 |
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| mordred | one facilitates the other | 19:35 |
| fungi | where "bindep" is probably better phrased as "drop bare-.* workers" | 19:35 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:35 |
| mordred | ubuntu-minimal ... shade uplodates ... uploads to rax ... drop bare-* workers | 19:35 |
| SpamapS | ok, somebody write that down | 19:35 |
| fungi | bindep is one of the things we're doing to get us to the point where we won't be needing/using those | 19:36 |
| mordred | yup. but there are other things to | 19:36 |
| mordred | too | 19:36 |
| mordred | the first set is "stop having hp and rax have different images for devstack nodes" | 19:36 |
| mordred | the second is "stop having non-devstack nodes" | 19:36 |
| mordred | oh - while we're on the topic - if everyone hasn't added openstack-infra/glean to their watch list already | 19:37 |
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| mordred | please do | 19:37 |
| mordred | I expect zero new patches to it | 19:37 |
| mordred | but bugs happen | 19:37 |
| fungi | implementation order: switch to ubuntu-minimal, then do shade uploads, then add uploads to rax, finally drop bare-.* workers | 19:37 |
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| fungi | is that something we're agreeing on? | 19:37 |
| mordred | I agree. | 19:37 |
| mordred | clarkb? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I mostly agree, still not a fan with diving into the replace cloud ionit full stop plan | 19:38 |
| clarkb | never have been | 19:38 |
| mordred | to be clear - that's "switch to ubuntu-minimal for the devstack nodes currently built by dib on hp" | 19:38 |
| mordred | clarkb: sure. we just literally don't have another option on the table | 19:38 |
| clarkb | I think our goal was to make image work in rax and we forgot that a while back and made this far more complicated than it needs to be | 19:38 |
| clarkb | mordred: we can use nova agent, we can use patched cloud init | 19:38 |
| mordred | clarkb: yeah. we can go back to the drawing board now that we have all the work finished | 19:39 |
| clarkb | I'm not saying that | 19:39 |
| clarkb | I am merely saying my stance has not changed | 19:39 |
| mordred | fair | 19:39 |
| clarkb | so asking me what I think is a nop | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | minimal images are fine | 19:40 |
| clarkb | but I think they are being used as a proxy in the larger more complicated thing | 19:40 |
| clarkb | which concerns me because that means there are many ways they can break | 19:40 |
| clarkb | but only way to find out is to use them | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | so I won't stand in the way of that | 19:40 |
| mordred | yah. although that's also my concern with adding nova-agent to nodes in hpcloud | 19:40 |
| mordred | clarkb: have I mentioned I hate this particular problem? | 19:41 |
| fungi | and then replace them with sanely-operating cloud-init later if we can confirm that it is | 19:41 |
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| fungi | but i'm fine with using the solution we have | 19:41 |
| fungi | until it's proven not to be a good solution | 19:41 |
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| fungi | #agree implementation order: switch to ubuntu-minimal, then start using shade to upload, then add rackspace upload support, finally drop bare-.* workers | 19:41 |
| mordred | fungi: (I think it's #agreed) | 19:42 |
| mordred | ? | 19:42 |
| mordred | or no, I'm wrong | 19:42 |
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| fungi | i agree ;) | 19:42 |
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| clarkb | the meeting header says #agreed | 19:42 |
| fungi | #agreed implementation order: switch to ubuntu-minimal, then start using shade to upload, then add rackspace upload support, finally drop bare-.* workers | 19:42 |
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| fungi | hopefully that took | 19:43 |
| mordred | for the record "switch to ubuntu-minimal" == "create a new image type based on ubuntu-minimal, verify tests work on that, then switch things to use it" | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | yup | 19:43 |
| mordred | it does not mean "switch the current devstack-dib nodes to use ubuntu-minimal" | 19:43 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Migration to Zanata) | 19:43 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:43 |
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| pleia2 | so things are moving along steadily | 19:43 |
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| pleia2 | cinerama and I have submitted several bugs upstream (see line 165 of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-install) and I've forwarded them along to carlos at redhat/zanata, where they're working to prioritize them | 19:44 |
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| pleia2 | and carlos will be at the summit | 19:44 |
| mordred | yay we're helpful! | 19:44 |
| cinerama | yup. currently we're at the point with the client work where we're adapting the existing proposal scripts and working around some missing features in the zanata client like percentage completion | 19:44 |
| clarkb | I want to point out that zanata does string formatting parsing and can error/warn if translators change the expected formatting operators | 19:45 |
| clarkb | which I think is the coolest feature ever | 19:45 |
| cinerama | i will be proposing a change for that and everyone can jump in with suggestions etc & things i've overlooked | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | I've been chatting with daisy about whether we want the translations session in i18n track or infra, no decision yet | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | er, translations tools | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | I put some details in our summit eitherpad | 19:46 |
| mordred | clarkb: dude. that's awesomes | 19:46 |
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| mordred | does it support new-style python {} formats? | 19:46 |
| clarkb | mordred: I didn't check that, does support old style | 19:46 |
| mordred | cool | 19:46 |
| fungi | that is pretty amazing | 19:46 |
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| pleia2 | in spite of java ;) I think we did go with the right tool in zanata, it's got some great features and with upstream willing to add/adjust features for us, things are going well | 19:47 |
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| mordred | that's excellent to hear | 19:48 |
| mordred | it's always great to have a supportive upstream | 19:48 |
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| pleia2 | that's all from us I think :) | 19:49 |
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| fungi | yay! more progress! | 19:50 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Downstream Puppet) | 19:51 |
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| fungi | anything new here since last week? | 19:51 |
| asselin_ | we've got a few people joinging the effort | 19:51 |
| yolanda | some patches still pending reviews from my side | 19:51 |
| asselin_ | and some new patches | 19:51 |
| yolanda | i didn't have time to work on anything new | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | we have a lot of reviews to do | 19:51 |
| fungi | indeed | 19:51 |
| yolanda | please :) | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | I'll make that a priority this week | 19:51 |
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| fungi | release season always leaves us swamped | 19:52 |
| yolanda | pleia2, thx | 19:52 |
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| fungi | i'm hoping next week will start to improve again | 19:52 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:52 | |
| yolanda | i saw asselin topic for summit, i'd love this one | 19:52 |
| yolanda | if it takes place i'll be joining the effort | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | quite a bit of reviews in the pipeline | 19:52 |
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| asselin_ | yolanda, thanks | 19:52 |
| mordred | I'll go review things there too | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | this is my #1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171359/ | 19:52 |
| * asselin_ hopes we get through much of the review before the summit and deal with any challenges there | 19:53 | |
| yolanda | asselin, so i still have my concerns on the way these things are tested, but we can iterate later | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | nibalizer: good to know | 19:53 |
| mordred | nibalizer: is the in-tree-hiera patch part of this? | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | I plan to start back up on the pipeline this week, and review stuff | 19:53 |
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| nibalizer | mordred: i think in tree hiera can help, but we're not sure exactly what that looks like yet | 19:53 |
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| asselin_ | yolanda, we should meet offline to disucss that | 19:54 |
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| nibalizer | simplyfing o_p::server makes it easier to separate downstream consumable from upstream immutable | 19:54 |
| yolanda | asselin, we need to talk in Vancouver :) | 19:54 |
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| mordred | nibalizer: totally. I was just wondering how much we should push on the hiera config change patch | 19:54 |
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| yolanda | nibalizer, agree, i've been focusing my efforts on that, isolate functionality, move to modules | 19:54 |
| nibalizer | mordred: :shrug: | 19:54 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: I will be honest I have avoided that change because the previous one related to it broke so badly | 19:54 |
| nibalizer | asselin_: yea I'd like to see more code in the modules than in openstackci | 19:55 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: understandable | 19:55 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: and I don't feel I hae the time to commit to unbreaking the entire world should something go bad again | 19:55 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: yea... not sure what the happy path forward on that is | 19:55 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: I think smaller changes | 19:55 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: don't move everything all at once | 19:56 |
| asselin_ | nibalizer, agree...I'd like to baby step in that direction | 19:56 |
| fungi | at a minimum, we shouldn't land it before kilo release day ;) | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: i didn't move everything all at once | 19:56 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: its >700 lines changed | 19:56 |
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| nibalizer | which change are you talking about/ | 19:56 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: 171359 | 19:56 |
| clarkb | your #1 change | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: no so thats git being confused | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | there is one file that is 300 lines | 19:56 |
| nibalizer | and another file that is 10 lines | 19:56 |
| clarkb | yes I understand | 19:56 |
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| nibalizer | and they are becomming the same file | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | with no inline changes | 19:57 |
| clarkb | but every single node is affected | 19:57 |
| clarkb | and the last time we did this was basically the same scenario | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: well so my answer to that is that im a little frustrated | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | we agreed in spec to do these refactors | 19:58 |
| clarkb | I am not saying don't do the refactor | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | then the changes sit for a while | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | and things that conflict get merged in | 19:58 |
| pabelanger | sounds like you need to stage the servers for the change, vs all of them at once | 19:58 |
| clarkb | I am saying lets break it up and do it piece by peice | 19:58 |
| clarkb | which will also avoid conflicts | 19:58 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: unfortunately puppet doesn't really grok that | 19:58 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: lets talk about this out of the meeting | 19:58 |
| mordred | yeah - TC is one minute away | 19:59 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: sure | 19:59 |
| fungi | well, we could disable puppet agent everywhere and then try bringing the change in machine by machine manually | 19:59 |
| nibalizer | we can find a way that works to go forward | 19:59 |
| pabelanger | clarkb, ya, trying to think of a way to do that | 19:59 |
| fungi | but that's painful | 19:59 |
| fungi | okay, thanks everyone. we can try to invert the priority topics list next week to get to what we missed this time | 19:59 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 20:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-28-19.04.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-28-19.04.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-28-19.04.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | take it away, ttx | 20:00 |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 20:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
| devananda | \o | 20:00 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:00 |
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| russellb | o/ | 20:00 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:01 |
| zehicle | o- | 20:01 |
| mordred | for the record - I agree with all the things - except I also disagree with everyone on all the things | 20:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | here, hear | 20:01 |
| edleafe | mordred: I agree! | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | jgriffith, vishy, markmcclain, jeblair, jaypipes: around ? | 20:02 |
| * ttx parallelizes with RC3 updates | 20:02 | |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 20:02:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:03 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:03 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #topic Adding the Chef cookbooks to OpenStack | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/175000 | 20:03 |
| ttx | So this was set by the proposer to WIP after we set the agenda | 20:03 |
| ttx | I think is a good idea to defer the application a bit, since that gives them time to experience behaving like an OpenStack project a bit more | 20:03 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:03 |
| mordred | kk | 20:03 |
| ttx | (adopting -dev ML for discussion, dropping hangouts for IRC meetings etc...) | 20:03 |
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| edleafe | \o | 20:03 |
| ttx | So I guess there is little point in discussing it now, unless you have remarks you'd like to raise | 20:03 |
| j^2 | ttx: yeah we understand that | 20:03 |
| mordred | I support the theory | 20:04 |
| ttx | no hurry anyway | 20:04 |
| annegentle | me too mordred | 20:04 |
| mordred | and will happily be positive about it when it's decided that it's time for me to be happy and positive | 20:04 |
| ttx | positive ftw | 20:04 |
| devananda | I support a project actually following the common experience/approach for a while before jumping all-in and being under the TC | 20:04 |
| annegentle | mordred: wouldja please? :) | 20:04 |
| annegentle | mordred: kidding | 20:04 |
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| * mordred is happy and positive at annegentle | 20:05 | |
| ttx | OK, let's move on | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Clarify that meetings use official IRC channels | 20:05 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/175427 | 20:05 |
| ttx | I think this is a good idea. | 20:05 |
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| ttx | Comments / Thoughts ? | 20:05 |
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| mordred | I agree with this | 20:05 |
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| ttx | I just added as a comment the rationale for having meetings in meeting channels, since it comes back as a FAQ | 20:05 |
| russellb | I do not disagree | 20:06 |
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| egon | Does this mean instead of phone conferences? | 20:06 |
| annegentle | fungi: when do we run out of times/rooms? | 20:06 |
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| annegentle | fungi: seems like a resource limit eventually | 20:06 |
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| mordred | annegentle: we can have an almost-infinite number of rooms | 20:06 |
| fungi | we can always add more channels? | 20:06 |
| edleafe | egon: or at least in addition to | 20:06 |
| ttx | egon: instead of meeting in specific channels and/or on random technologies | 20:06 |
| annegentle | mordred: fungi: okay, it's difficult already with 24 slots | 20:06 |
| russellb | 24 x 4 | 20:06 |
| fungi | yeah, we have 4 channels now. we could add a 5th | 20:07 |
| annegentle | (I made up 24 by multiplying 3 by 8) | 20:07 |
| annegentle | ok | 20:07 |
| ttx | annegentle: the trick is to grow the number as needed, not just as a way to have everyone meet at 19:00 UTC on Tuesdays | 20:07 |
| annegentle | ttx: sure, yup | 20:07 |
| ttx | so "encourage" spreading the meetings out | 20:07 |
| ttx | but obviosuly that's a trade-off | 20:07 |
| fungi | keeping the number of channels small helps limit the overlap between related meetings, but only up to a point | 20:07 |
| annegentle | for docs specialty teams we allow/enable hangout, is that going to be stopped with this policy? | 20:07 |
| annegentle | (I should ask in the review as well) | 20:07 |
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| ttx | OK, we have 9 yes, happy to approve in 30 seconds | 20:08 |
| annegentle | or is this for "main team"? | 20:08 |
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| annegentle | wait please :) | 20:08 |
| ttx | rush to record your approval | 20:08 |
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| mordred | annegentle: honestly, I think the main checkpoint for me is "can someone participate fully in your project without joining those" | 20:08 |
| annegentle | mordred: okay, that's a good litmus test | 20:08 |
| mordred | annegentle: so if you also have some hangouts to accomplish some things and that's useful | 20:08 |
| mordred | neat | 20:08 |
| annegentle | whats the latest on webrtc? | 20:08 |
| mordred | but if you have to be a part of those to be part of the club - it's exclusionary | 20:09 |
| ttx | right, at least the "main" meeting should be logged on a meeting channel | 20:09 |
| mordred | yah | 20:09 |
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| mordred | also - keeping in mind that anything in a hangout does not end up being logged | 20:09 |
| mordred | I mean, other than in google's data center :) | 20:09 |
| annegentle | okay then I'm good (but still would like to know if we have a plan for RTC?) | 20:09 |
| fungi | because, honestly, the same thing can be said about, for example, mid-cycle in-person meetings | 20:09 |
| annegentle | mordred: heh, my feelings also | 20:09 |
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| dansmith | mordred: important distinction :) | 20:09 |
| fungi | as long as they're not critical to participation in the project, they seem fine | 20:09 |
| russellb | annegentle: nothing being worked on that i know of | 20:09 |
| ttx | annegentle: it's not just open source vs. proprietary. It's also that it's easier to attend an IRC meeting than a video call. I attend a lot of IRC meetings while doing something else | 20:10 |
| annegentle | russellb: it might just not be ready | 20:10 |
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| devananda | ttx: ++ | 20:10 |
| russellb | there's stuff out there, just nobody trying to figure it out / make something that runs on our infra | 20:10 |
| annegentle | ttx: to me it's also about higher fidelity and attention (IRC obviously lets you multitask more easily) | 20:10 |
| devananda | but the point is that the means to participate are discoverable and open, not exclusionary and hidden | 20:10 |
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| russellb | but even if that was done, it's still less accessible / more exclusionary than IRC meetings that are logged and searchable | 20:10 |
| egon | It's definitely valuable to have historic logs to go back to, especially for people trying to come up to speed. | 20:11 |
| annegentle | devananda: right but even the current phrasing doesn't really speak to the anti-pattern | 20:11 |
| fungi | very hard to keyword search a video conference recording | 20:11 |
| annegentle | egon: totally agree | 20:11 |
| ttx | Also some people are not comfortable with their appearance or their spoken skills, or have deep French accent | 20:11 |
| mordred | egon: ++ | 20:11 |
| devananda | egon: ++ | 20:11 |
| mordred | ttx: the french accents are the worst | 20:11 |
| ttx | text abstracts that out quite nicely | 20:11 |
| devananda | ttx: also, some people type english very slowly too. scheduled meetings == prep time for them | 20:11 |
| sdague | fungi: well, keyword searching our irc logs isn't super easy yet either, but we should fix that given that we have an elastic search cluster :) | 20:11 |
| fungi | yep, much more tractable | 20:12 |
| annegentle | ayup. Okay, I can like the current wording, just want to be sure I understand the policy then. | 20:12 |
| ttx | annegentle: may I approve now ? | 20:12 |
| clarkb | sdague: google search works pretty well fwiw | 20:12 |
| annegentle | ttx: one moment | 20:12 |
| sdague | clarkb: that hasn't been my experience, but such it is :) | 20:12 |
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| annegentle | ok! thanks | 20:13 |
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| annegentle | ttx: appreciate the pause button | 20:13 |
| ttx | approved | 20:14 |
| ttx | #topic Update Congress service name and description | 20:14 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/169480 | 20:14 |
| ttx | I think this description is incrementally better, so I +1ed it | 20:14 |
| ttx | and it has 7 yes, so I guess most are OK with it | 20:14 |
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| dhellmann | inching towards understanding | 20:14 |
| ttx | I'll therefore approve in a minute, unless someone stops me | 20:14 |
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| sdague | do we know if any congress folks are at least not upset with it? | 20:15 |
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| ttx | Tim HinrichsPatch Set 2: LGTM | 20:15 |
| sdague | they did tweet about "policy as a service" a bit | 20:15 |
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| jaypipes | kinda sounds like a patent troll's application for a patent of something to me. | 20:15 |
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| jaypipes | but, whatevs. | 20:16 |
| devananda | incrementally better,, but I'm still unclear on what it means | 20:16 |
| ttx | jaypipes: I didn't say it's perfect, I said it's slightly better, and can't propose better | 20:16 |
| jaypipes | ttx: I know :) | 20:16 |
| ttx | I wouldn't even be discussing this if it didn't trigger the "policy terminology overload" alert | 20:17 |
| annegentle | I declare it at least typeable | 20:17 |
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| ttx | 9 yes, approving in 30 sec | 20:17 |
| jaypipes | :/ | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | devananda: I always assumed it's called "Congress" because there's ~535 different ideas of what it should do ;) | 20:17 |
| mordred | zaneb: hahahaha | 20:18 |
| devananda | zaneb: LOL! yes | 20:18 |
| edleafe | zaneb: hahaha | 20:18 |
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| ttx | ok approved | 20:19 |
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| ttx | #topic Projects list housekeeping | 20:19 |
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| ttx | All those additions are approved by their respective PTLs, so I'll approve them tomorrow morning unless we get a -1: | 20:19 |
| ttx | * Add manila's ui plugin to horizon (https://review.openstack.org/175620) | 20:19 |
| ttx | * Add django-openstack-auth-kerberos project (https://review.openstack.org/172802) | 20:19 |
| ttx | * Add keystoneauth to keystone project in governance repo (https://review.openstack.org/175610) | 20:19 |
| ttx | * Moves security-doc repo from Docs to Security (https://review.openstack.org/177070) | 20:19 |
| ttx | * Add openstack-infra/openstackid-resources to Infra (https://review.openstack.org/176338) | 20:19 |
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| ttx | If you disagree with any, post a -1 and we'll discuss it next meeting | 20:20 |
| ttx | otherwise will aprove | 20:20 |
| mordred | all look great | 20:20 |
| ttx | #topic Governance repo housekeeping | 20:20 |
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| ttx | * Membership updated based on PTL elections (https://review.openstack.org/175007) | 20:20 |
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| ttx | I think it's safe to approve this now | 20:20 |
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| ttx | election offcials said it was corresponding to their results alright | 20:20 |
| ttx | SO unless someone screams I'll +2/APPRV it too | 20:21 |
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| ttx | ok, let's do this | 20:21 |
| devananda | I promise to continue lurking :) | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic Cross-project track at the Design Summit | 20:22 |
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| ttx | OK, more interesting | 20:22 |
| ttx | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vCTZBJKCMZ2xBhglnuK3ciKo3E8UMFo5S5lmIAYMCSE/edit?usp=sharing | 20:22 |
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| ttx | So we have 22 proposals up at this point, for 14 slots. | 20:22 |
| ttx | Please feel free to add comments on those | 20:22 |
| ttx | We should have a subgroup of TC members volunteers to work on the final selection & agenda. | 20:22 |
| sdague | are there any things that TC members feel are burning issues that haven't gotten submitted yet? | 20:22 |
| ttx | Maybe we can have volunteers from the "elected for another 6 months" members already | 20:23 |
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| devananda | mikal: do you know if john is planning to have a nova slot to discuss clustered hypervisor support in nova? | 20:23 |
| ttx | I think Doug and Anne volunteered a couple weeks ago ? | 20:23 |
| * sdague volunteers | 20:23 | |
| ttx | and newly-elected members can propose themselves next week | 20:23 |
| mikal | devananda: not sure, I'd have to check the etherpad | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes, count me in | 20:23 |
| mikal | Please hold | 20:23 |
| devananda | ttx: I'm happy to help with that. in principle I hav emore time now :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | Since this is actually something for the newly elected members too | 20:23 |
| dansmith | devananda: I don't think so | 20:23 |
| annegentle | yep I can help | 20:23 |
| devananda | mikal: k. I checked last night, looked like "no" - so then I would suggest that to the cross project track | 20:23 |
| jaypipes | devananda: can I have some of that? | 20:23 |
| mikal | devananda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 20:24 |
| sdague | devananda: probably worth talking to john directly | 20:24 |
| edleafe | I don't see anything from the scheduler for cross-project | 20:24 |
| devananda | jaypipes: there's plenty to go around :) | 20:24 |
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| edleafe | We taked about that at our meeting this morning | 20:24 |
| mikal | devananda: yeah, I don't see anything there | 20:24 |
| ttx | You can have sort of a discussion by adding comments or replying to them | 20:24 |
| sdague | edleafe: it's not clear to me that we're really ready for that right? | 20:25 |
| ttx | Ideally we would have lots of coments and then a subteam can gather to make up the agenda | 20:25 |
| devananda | sdague: k, so i'll write that up and propose it after the next meeting. jaypipes, interested in coleading it? | 20:25 |
| sdague | ideally cross project sessions should involved > 2 projects | 20:25 |
| ttx | I'm fine not being part of the selection subgroup this time around | 20:25 |
| edleafe | sdague: We need to understand what other projects would need from scheduling | 20:25 |
| ttx | if enough people volunteer | 20:25 |
| edleafe | we're so nova-centric now | 20:25 |
| devananda | sdague: nova+neutron is up there... | 20:25 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: it's not approved yet, just proposed | 20:25 |
| jaypipes | devananda: I was referring to getting some of that time you had more of ;) | 20:25 |
| devananda | edleafe: ironic would really like support from a shared scheduler, too | 20:26 |
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| devananda | jaypipes: oh, lol | 20:26 |
| sdague | devananda: as we discussed previously, that's kind of a special case | 20:26 |
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| sdague | given that it's #1 ops burning issue | 20:26 |
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| sdague | out of philly | 20:26 |
| ttx | So I heard: annegentle, dhellmann, sdague. devananda won't be a TC member at the end of the week, but can still comment and make noise with his mouth | 20:26 |
| devananda | *nod* | 20:26 |
| * dhellmann still thinks the nova and neutron teams could share a slot in their schedule | 20:26 | |
| russellb | i thought it was already on their schedule | 20:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I agree with that | 20:27 |
| russellb | mestery: around? | 20:27 |
| mestery | russellb: o/ | 20:27 |
| annegentle | ttx: I'm in til Oct 2015? | 20:27 |
| ttx | russell_h: yes, john placed that already | 20:27 |
| ttx | err, russellb ^ | 20:27 |
| russellb | mestery: was checking on joint nova+neutron session | 20:27 |
| mestery | zz_johnthetubagu and I alreayd agreed on the nova+neutron slot being the last nova slot thursday afternoon | 20:28 |
| mestery | It's the only one without overlap | 20:28 |
| ttx | annegentle: no I meant, as volunteer for the selection subgroup | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | mestery: great! | 20:28 |
| mestery | And we'll use it for nova-net migration, overlap, etc. | 20:28 |
| ttx | https://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/495f67e8acd369d1ac459b6ca9882340 | 20:28 |
| annegentle | ttx: ah got it | 20:28 |
| russell_h | heh, I should bail on this channel seeing as I never participate and absorb a lot of russellb's highlights | 20:28 |
| ttx | "Nova: Future of nova-network" session | 20:28 |
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| sdague | so I still think that we need to consider the fact that is currently listed as the #1 burning issue by the user committee from the ops meetup. So if it needs more breathing space... | 20:28 |
| ttx | at a time when Neutron can participate | 20:28 |
| ttx | appears in Nova nd Neutron tracks | 20:28 |
| russellb | "Lets discuss feedback from resent Ops supports" | 20:28 |
| russellb | s/supports/summit/ i suspect :) | 20:29 |
| russellb | also s/resent/recent/ | 20:29 |
| ttx | russell_h: blame tab ordering | 20:29 |
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| markmcclain | is the last thursday really a good time to discuss? | 20:29 |
| annegentle | markmcclain: there's a first thursday? | 20:29 |
| mestery | lol | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | sdague: it's not a matter of it being unimportant, it's a matter of possibly having other things that affect more than 2 projects | 20:29 |
| mordred | yeah - that seems like an early-in-the-week kinda topic | 20:29 |
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| ttx | markmcclain: it's when neutron has an empty slot | 20:29 |
| mordred | because other things might want to fall out from it | 20:29 |
| mestery | I'm fine with utilizing additional time if needed | 20:29 |
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| markmcclain | mordred: exactly | 20:30 |
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| devananda | sdague: given the feedback from ops, why not put it in the ops track? | 20:30 |
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| devananda | that also puts it in a slot on tuesday | 20:30 |
| mestery | mordred markmcclain: Those things can be discussed (and will be) post summit | 20:30 |
| mestery | *discussed | 20:30 |
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| dhellmann | I see that neutron and nova both have a time slot on Wednesday 9:00 AM. Can that be used? | 20:31 |
| sdague | devananda: the ops track is a different kind of vibe | 20:31 |
| markmcclain | mestery: concerned that we might lose people who leave early due to holiday | 20:31 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: Wednesday is better | 20:31 |
| mestery | markmcclain: It's a valid concern. | 20:32 |
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| mestery | If we have hte nova+neutron track in a fishbowl, we can mostly forget about it being useful. Would rather use a working group room. | 20:32 |
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| dhellmann | mestery: fair | 20:32 |
| sdague | honestly, I'm still personally happy to give it a cross project track to get the conversation rolling, filtering, then hopefully more concrete things can happen in the nova/neutron dedicated slot | 20:32 |
| mestery | sdague: I'd be good with that too! | 20:32 |
| sdague | because if we as a community did nothing other but figure this one out in Vancouver, it would be considered a success by a ton of people. | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | mestery: maybe we can get you a work room earlier than thursday by swapping with someone else | 20:33 |
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| dansmith | dhellmann: we specifically put our scheduler stuff early on wednesday, tightly grouped | 20:33 |
| ttx | So, on this topic: please comment on the spreadsheet if you care one way or another about those topics. Once election is over we'll ask for more volunteers for the selection committee so that they prepare an agenda, ideally for TC to vet next Tuesday | 20:33 |
| ttx | which means the selection group should meet on Monday or something | 20:34 |
| mestery | I think we need a cross-project track for this with the followup on Thursday | 20:34 |
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| mestery | It seems like the most sensible setup | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | mestery: a cross-project session is going to be fishbowl | 20:34 |
| mestery | dhellmann: I'm willing to live with those limiitations in this case | 20:34 |
| markmcclain | fishbowl's can be constructive | 20:35 |
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| dougwig | mestery: can you find a slot on tuesday that doesn't compete with other nova or neutron sessions? | 20:35 |
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| dhellmann | ok. I still think these 2 teams should just go work on the problem without taking up a cross-project slot, but we'll see what other priorities we end up with | 20:35 |
| markmcclain | we just need one of those really detailed… ttx like discussion etherpads | 20:35 |
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| mestery | dougwig: We have no sessions Tuesday :) | 20:36 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: how about curating that list down to proposals on Monday / Tuesday, in time for presenting the net result to the TC next Tuesday ? | 20:36 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: gives time for newly-elected to volunteer too :) | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think I can manage that | 20:36 |
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| dansmith | dhellmann: what's the problem with the slot we already allocated? | 20:37 |
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| dhellmann | dansmith: someone pointed out that the existing slot was sort of late in the week | 20:37 |
| ttx | that said, there is all Friday for folow-up | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: and to get an earlier slot, we would have to give up a cross-project slot | 20:37 |
| dansmith | it's only a little more than halfway through project dev days | 20:37 |
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| dansmith | thursday can be moved around a lot I think, so is first thing thursday morning good enough? | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: yeah, that's fine, if it works I'm OK with it, I was just trying to find an alternative for an earlier slot that didn't involve giving up a cross-project session for this topic again | 20:38 |
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| dansmith | yeah, the "again" is part of the hesitation to disrupt everything else, I think | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: the nova and neutron teams can work that out, my goal was to keep it in a regular session so if thursday works for you all then I'm happy | 20:38 |
| markmcclain | dhellmann: when was the last cross project for this? The one in Paris was in the nova track | 20:38 |
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| dansmith | okay | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | markmcclain: ok, I thought it was xp | 20:39 |
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| russellb | i don't think it was ever cross-project | 20:39 |
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| dhellmann | ok, my bad memory | 20:39 |
| dansmith | anyway, I'd say first thing thursday, or a cross-project session would be more ideal, IMHO | 20:40 |
| markmcclain | the other issue is that we haven't been able to to seem to get the right ppl in the room because every plan we push forward gets shot down 4-6wks post summit | 20:40 |
| dansmith | I think also the goal with thursday was to get some operator feedback on use cases and such | 20:40 |
| dansmith | and thursday gets us the most operators I think | 20:40 |
| egon | dansmith: +1 | 20:40 |
| dansmith | markmcclain: yeah, and being in cross-project time means some right people might have other things to do :/ | 20:41 |
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| ttx | OK, I think this is now chaotic enough for us to move to... | 20:42 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:42 |
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| ttx | I wanted to raise the "Officialize Liberty release schedule" thread (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061331.html) | 20:42 |
| ttx | No comment on that thread for a few weeks now, so I'll make it official tomorrow unless someone complains now | 20:42 |
| sdague | ttx: +1 seems reasonable | 20:42 |
| ttx | In other news, we have elections under way, if you haven't voted, do it now | 20:42 |
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| ttx | no idea how much % voters we have so far | 20:43 |
| ttx | tristanC: is that something you would communicate on ? | 20:43 |
| annegentle | ttx: schedule looks fine | 20:43 |
| ttx | Remember that the "Liberty" TC members are invited to a joint TC/Board meeting the Sunday afternoon before Summit starts in Vancouver | 20:43 |
| ttx | And that we plan a TC-and-previous-TC dinner on the Thursday evening | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | ttx: I assume the board meeting will be public again? | 20:44 |
| devananda | ttx: ^ was about to ask that, too, as I plan to attend anyway | 20:44 |
| russellb | yep, should be, except any portion where we go into executive session | 20:44 |
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| ttx | zaneb: it will afaik | 20:45 |
| ttx | russellb: "we" being the board, not the tc | 20:45 |
| russellb | correct. | 20:45 |
| fungi | pleia2: do you happen to know what percent of the tc electorate have voted so far? | 20:45 |
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| pleia2 | fungi: no, would have to ask tristanC | 20:46 |
| jogo | my understanding is it may not be possible to find out | 20:46 |
| fungi | thanks, just figured i'd check | 20:46 |
| ttx | jogo: it is possible | 20:46 |
| ttx | jogo: CIVS gives you that data | 20:47 |
| jogo | ttx: oh even better\ | 20:47 |
| dansmith | can we see who is winning? | 20:47 |
| ttx | but only the election admin can access that :) | 20:47 |
| annegentle | dansmith: lol | 20:47 |
| mestery | lol | 20:47 |
| dansmith | annegentle: I expect a wallop from ttx any second :) | 20:47 |
| maishsk | dansmith: We are all winning :) | 20:48 |
| ttx | So in summary... this was the last meeting for the Kilo TC membership. Next week will be the first meeting of the Liberty membership | 20:48 |
| dansmith | aww | 20:48 |
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| ttx | Thanks to all the TC members. Some like to think we could get a lot more done, but we actually completely overhauled our governance over the last 6 months | 20:49 |
| devananda | ttx: \o/ | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:49 |
| dims | ++ | 20:49 |
| ttx | which has not been a small undertaking | 20:49 |
| sdague | ttx: \o/ | 20:49 |
| ttx | But yeah, I agree we can do better! (if elected) | 20:49 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 20:50 |
| annegentle | way to go really! | 20:50 |
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| * maishsk takes off his hat and applauds you all | 20:50 | |
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| ttx | Oh, Kilo release news while we have 5 extra minutes | 20:50 |
| egon | ++ | 20:50 |
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| ttx | Neutron RC3 is out, Expecting a Nova RC3 soon | 20:51 |
| ttx | Chances are we'll get a Swift RC3 too | 20:51 |
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| ttx | the rest is clear | 20:51 |
| ttx | Last words before we close ? | 20:51 |
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| dhellmann | to the committee members who decided not to run and so won't be coming back, thank you for your service! | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | ++ | 20:52 |
| russellb | ++ | 20:52 |
| sdague | ++ | 20:52 |
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| Rockyg | ++ | 20:52 |
| zaneb | ++ | 20:52 |
| jogo | with just over a day left, get out the vote! | 20:52 |
| mestery | ++ | 20:53 |
| edleafe | +++ | 20:53 |
| dims | ++ | 20:53 |
| ttx | alright! Let's close this. Thanks everyone | 20:53 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 20:53:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-28-20.02.html | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-28-20.02.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-28-20.02.log.html | 20:53 |
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| ttx | PSA: no cross-project meeting today due to lack of topics posted on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 20:55 |
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| egon | maybe the voting links could be more prominently posted? | 21:00 |
| egon | or under voting.openstack.org | 21:01 |
| sdague | egon: the ballots are individualized | 21:01 |
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| egon | oh, maybe I misunderstood who can vote on the TC. | 21:03 |
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| ttx | egon: for reference, http://governance.openstack.org/ | 21:04 |
| egon | I found that, but no voting links. | 21:04 |
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| ttx | right, that's because every voter gets a unique voting link by email | 21:05 |
| ttx | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html#voters-for-tc-seats-atc | 21:05 |
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| ttx | this defines who votes ^ | 21:06 |
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| egon | ttx: thanks, I was looking in the wrong place. | 21:09 |
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