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| adahms | Morning, all | 00:59 |
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| dnavale | Morning | 00:59 |
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| loquacities | hi everyone | 01:00 |
| loquacities | are we all here? | 01:00 |
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| adahms | I believe so | 01:00 |
| slong | hallo | 01:00 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 29 01:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:00 | |
| loquacities | roll call? | 01:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 01:00 |
| adahms | Here | 01:00 |
| loquacities | hi slong! long time no chat :) | 01:00 |
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| slong | hey there:) | 01:00 |
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| bmoss | g'day y'all | 01:01 |
| dnavale | hi there | 01:01 |
| loquacities | hi adahms | 01:01 |
| adahms | Hey, Brian! | 01:01 |
| loquacities | hi :) | 01:01 |
| suyog | hi all! | 01:01 |
| loquacities | ok, let's kick off shall we? | 01:01 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:01 | |
| loquacities | asettle to investigate first week of june for another APAC openstack docs f2f | 01:01 |
| loquacities | asettle: you here? | 01:02 |
| asettle | loquacities, sorry, internet dropping out | 01:02 |
| asettle | I am! | 01:02 |
| loquacities | yay! | 01:02 |
| asettle | I am investigating, thinking that time frame suits all :) | 01:02 |
| loquacities | we have an agenda item for that coming up, so let's circle back | 01:02 |
| asettle | I was going to suggest somewhere closer too the RH office | 01:02 |
| asettle | Okay, thanks :) | 01:02 |
| loquacities | Lana to report back on i18n RST issues | 01:02 |
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| loquacities | i went to the meeting, and the main issue ended up being that translators weren't familiar with RST, so the conversion was tricky | 01:02 |
| loquacities | but we're getting somewhere with that now | 01:03 |
| loquacities | in the meantime, feel free to hang out in #openstack-translation to help out | 01:03 |
| loquacities | also, i learned a valuable lesson about including translators in plans like that | 01:03 |
| loquacities | Lana to change meeting schedule to alternating weeks | 01:04 |
| loquacities | this has now been done | 01:04 |
| loquacities | so thanks for the support there, everyone | 01:04 |
| loquacities | any questions on the action items? | 01:04 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, sorry arrived late. Items seem in order | 01:04 |
| loquacities | hi JRobinson__ :) | 01:05 |
| loquacities | np | 01:05 |
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| loquacities | ok, moving on | 01:05 |
| loquacities | #topic Kilo tasks | 01:05 |
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| loquacities | #info RST publishing is done | 01:05 |
| loquacities | #info The rest is underway, should be late this week/early next week | 01:05 |
| loquacities | has everyone had a chance to look at the new RST docs? | 01:05 |
| loquacities | they're very shiny :) | 01:06 |
| bmoss | +1 | 01:06 |
| asettle | What's the issue, exactly? | 01:06 |
| asettle | The spaces? | 01:06 |
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| asettle | What's the next set of books set to be changed to RST? | 01:06 |
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| loquacities | asettle: still working on that | 01:07 |
| loquacities | we're just getting through kilo first | 01:07 |
| loquacities | we'll work out the next book to be converted as part of liberty planning | 01:07 |
| asettle | loquacities, okay thanks | 01:07 |
| loquacities | #topic Docs specs in review | 01:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:07 | |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 01:08 |
| loquacities | that's a link to the current list of specs | 01:08 |
| loquacities | the main ones that need some attention are: | 01:08 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/174647 (Work in progress user guides) | 01:08 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178427/ (HA Guide) | 01:08 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ (API work) | 01:08 |
| loquacities | there's also a bunch of training guide specs | 01:09 |
| loquacities | i'm in contact with sean on that | 01:09 |
| loquacities | any questions on specs? | 01:09 |
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| slong | Will Diane still be working at all on API stuff? | 01:09 |
| slong | Just curious. | 01:09 |
| loquacities | i believe she is | 01:09 |
| slong | Cool. | 01:10 |
| loquacities | anne is also continuing work on api docs | 01:10 |
| loquacities | so even though she's not PTL, she'll still be around and working on those things | 01:10 |
| slong | Anne put in that note about whether docs should continue to own API docs. | 01:10 |
| slong | Wondered why. | 01:10 |
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| loquacities | it's a discussion anne and i have had a bit recently | 01:10 |
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| loquacities | i have no desire to look after API docs, and anne is happy to continue doing it, so it was a natural progression to ask if they should be run by the same person | 01:11 |
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| loquacities | i think it's worth asking the larger community how they feel | 01:11 |
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| asettle | Convenient, really | 01:11 |
| slong | k, understood, ta | 01:11 |
| loquacities | asettle: indeed :) | 01:11 |
| loquacities | np | 01:11 |
| loquacities | ok, moving on | 01:11 |
| loquacities | #topic Specialty teams | 01:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specialty teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:12 | |
| loquacities | #info HA Guide - Please look at the new spec | 01:12 |
| loquacities | #info Training Guides - Preparing to publish for Kilo | 01:12 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guides - CentOS/RHEL is on schedule, Ubuntu has rabbitmq issues that are being worked on, SUSE is underway and should be done by early next week | 01:12 |
| loquacities | #info User Guides - Please look at the new spec | 01:12 |
| loquacities | #info Security Guide (i don't have an updated status) | 01:12 |
| loquacities | #info API docs - Please look at the new spec | 01:12 |
| loquacities | #info Networking Guide - Test & review | 01:13 |
| loquacities | any questions or comments on speciality teams? | 01:13 |
| loquacities | oh, now is probably a good time to mention that the user guide team will need a new lead, as well | 01:13 |
| JRobinson__ | Just a comment on the user guide team | 01:13 |
| asettle | Which, we unanimously decided was darrenc :) | 01:13 |
| loquacities | asettle: i'm not sure darrenc agreed :P | 01:14 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: go ahead? | 01:14 |
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| JRobinson__ | I'm okay to start heading that up as we discussed, | 01:14 |
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| JRobinson__ | I'll need a managment or OpenStack experienced person to assist if possible. | 01:15 |
| darrenc | no I haven't agreed to that :) | 01:15 |
| JRobinson__ | ^management | 01:15 |
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| loquacities | JRobinson__: that's great news, thank you :) | 01:16 |
| loquacities | we can talk more about that on the meeting on friday, anyway | 01:16 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, sounds good | 01:16 |
| loquacities | #topic Doc tools update | 01:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools update (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:16 | |
| loquacities | #info use 2.1.4 clouddocs-maven-plugin for Kilo | 01:16 |
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| loquacities | that's more an FYI than anything else | 01:16 |
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| asettle | Thanks JRobinson__ :) | 01:18 |
| loquacities | #topic Vancouver | 01:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:18 | |
| loquacities | #info Design summit sessions should be up by the end of this week | 01:18 |
| asettle | Sorry, bit late. | 01:18 |
| loquacities | any questions on the design summit? | 01:18 |
| loquacities | np | 01:18 |
| asettle | Ah, nothing. I'm hoping to be able to be a part of the discussion on Swift docs | 01:19 |
| loquacities | cool | 01:19 |
| loquacities | #topic APAC Meetups | 01:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APAC Meetups (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:19 | |
| loquacities | #info Planning for an APAC OpenStack meet up in May | 01:19 |
| loquacities | asettle: ? | 01:19 |
| asettle | o/ yes, it is I | 01:19 |
| asettle | So | 01:19 |
| asettle | Thinking something closer to the RH office | 01:20 |
| asettle | But I can't think of much. At the moment, it is looking like 1st week of June | 01:20 |
| asettle | Plan is to discuss summit - what's happening, informing our community | 01:20 |
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| loquacities | so, next week? | 01:20 |
| asettle | Maybe we can even potentially think about doing a lunch and learn | 01:20 |
| asettle | ... loquacities next week is the first week of May | 01:20 |
| asettle | it's April | 01:20 |
| loquacities | that requires a venue | 01:20 |
| loquacities | oh yeah, sorry | 01:20 |
| asettle | I'm thinking after June | 01:20 |
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| asettle | after summit* | 01:20 |
| asettle | Ugh | 01:20 |
| loquacities | a month ahead of myself :P | 01:20 |
| asettle | No typey | 01:21 |
| asettle | HAHA | 01:21 |
| asettle | No worries | 01:21 |
| asettle | Yes, a venue. I was wondering if we could talk to adahms about that. | 01:21 |
| asettle | A potential for summit debrief | 01:21 |
| loquacities | (i might be starting to stress about summit a little, if no one had noticed) | 01:21 |
| adahms | Roger that | 01:21 |
| asettle | adahms, thanks :) what do you think? | 01:21 |
| loquacities | would an evening work better for that, then? | 01:21 |
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| asettle | loquacities, evenings aren't always the best, simply because of children and lives etc | 01:21 |
| loquacities | yeah, tell me about it | 01:21 |
| asettle | But, if you want to do an evening thing, maybe straight after work? Haha | 01:21 |
| adahms | Hmm, the schedule is going to be pretty busy during June / July, but we should be able to find a date in there somewhere | 01:22 |
| asettle | A 4pm till 5pm 'dinner and learn' | 01:22 |
| loquacities | we could order pizza | 01:22 |
| asettle | adahms, thinking the first week of June - if you can find something free in there, that would be great | 01:22 |
| asettle | loquacities, yes, that was ma plan :) | 01:22 |
| loquacities | \o/ | 01:22 |
| adahms | I'll ask around :) | 01:22 |
| loquacities | ok, i might add an action for adahms then | 01:22 |
| asettle | And those that went to summit can give us a bit of a talk about what happened, what the plans are, and where OS is going and what we can do to help | 01:22 |
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| loquacities | #action adahms to find a suitable date for a meetup in early june | 01:22 |
| loquacities | i'd be happy to do that | 01:23 |
| adahms | ack | 01:23 |
| loquacities | i'll probably be up to my eyeballs in liberty planning by then :P | 01:23 |
| asettle | Wonderful, anyone have any issues with the idea? | 01:23 |
| loquacities | ok, next up: | 01:23 |
| loquacities | #info Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 17-18 August | 01:23 |
| asettle | Oh, me again! | 01:23 |
| loquacities | suyog: this is your baby now? | 01:23 |
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| suyog | Yeah, i'll follow up with the people here. | 01:24 |
| suyog | The venue is still booked. | 01:24 |
| asettle | Great news :) | 01:24 |
| bmoss | the ghost of bmoss lives on in Zimbra... | 01:24 |
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| asettle | Officially I also have most of the 'old team' onboard as SMEs | 01:24 |
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| suyog | :) | 01:24 |
| asettle | So we're nearly ready to go | 01:24 |
| loquacities | great! | 01:25 |
| loquacities | sounds like that's all under control, then | 01:25 |
| suyog | btw, i thought it was 13-14 Aug | 01:25 |
| bmoss | yeah, what suyog said ^^ | 01:25 |
| loquacities | hrm, yeah, i think you're right | 01:25 |
| loquacities | my agenda is wrong | 01:25 |
| * loquacities fixes that | 01:25 | |
| asettle | Haha | 01:25 |
| suyog | cool, np! :) | 01:25 |
| loquacities | #info Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August | 01:25 |
| asettle | Haha | 01:26 |
| loquacities | fixedf | 01:26 |
| loquacities | fixed* | 01:26 |
| loquacities | moving on ... | 01:26 |
| loquacities | #topic Meeting time | 01:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Meeting time (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:26 | |
| loquacities | #info Now on alternating weeks | 01:27 |
| loquacities | #info Does this time work for everyone? | 01:27 |
| loquacities | (i'm assuming so, since we only just changed the APAC docs meeting time anyway) | 01:27 |
| adahms | Any chance we could move it an hour earlier? | 01:27 |
| loquacities | to 10? | 01:27 |
| loquacities | that wouldn't bother me | 01:27 |
| adahms | Yep | 01:27 |
| asettle | Aw guys | 01:27 |
| asettle | That's early :p | 01:27 |
| slong | :) | 01:27 |
| loquacities | although it makes it 0000 UTC, which could be confusing | 01:28 |
| asettle | HAHA | 01:28 |
| loquacities | what if we split the difference, call it 0030? | 01:28 |
| adahms | That works | 01:28 |
| loquacities | ok, i'm cool with that | 01:28 |
| loquacities | in other meeting-related news ... | 01:29 |
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| loquacities | #info Need someone to run US-timed meetings | 01:29 |
| asettle | US people can't run the US meetings? | 01:29 |
| loquacities | i'm assuming that most people here now are not really up for that job, though | 01:29 |
| loquacities | well, this agenda gets reused through both meetings, so it applies to everyone ;) | 01:29 |
| asettle | Oh goodie :) | 01:29 |
| asettle | good* | 01:29 |
| loquacities | essentially, we should find a US-based person to run the US meetings, though, yes :P | 01:29 |
| asettle | Hahaha | 01:30 |
| suyog | Any night owls? Not me. | 01:30 |
| loquacities | because i certainly can't commit to doing a midnight or 1am meeting every fortnight | 01:30 |
| loquacities | and i think anne wants a breather | 01:30 |
| asettle | loquacities, what about Matt? | 01:30 |
| darrenc | Sam-I-Am? | 01:30 |
| asettle | ^^ | 01:30 |
| slong | +1 | 01:30 |
| loquacities | asettle: definite possibility | 01:30 |
| asettle | darrenc, and I are on the same wave length | 01:30 |
| loquacities | anyway, that's it for today! | 01:30 |
| asettle | Oh, there we go | 01:30 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 01:30 |
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| loquacities | anything else? | 01:31 |
| adahms | Nothing from my side | 01:31 |
| slong | nope | 01:31 |
| loquacities | cool, thanks adahms | 01:31 |
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| loquacities | thanks slong | 01:31 |
| loquacities | i think we'll call that a meeting | 01:31 |
| slong | bye | 01:31 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 29 01:31:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:31 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-29-01.00.html | 01:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-29-01.00.txt | 01:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-04-29-01.00.log.html | 01:31 |
| suyog | thanks, all! | 01:31 |
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| loquacities | thanks everyone :) | 01:31 |
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| asettle | Thanks loquacities :) | 01:32 |
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| asalkeld | #startmeeting heat | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 29 12:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asalkeld. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 12:00 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 12:00 |
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| asalkeld | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
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| shardy | o/ | 12:00 |
| asalkeld | yea one person | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | :) | 12:01 |
| ramishra | o/ | 12:01 |
| rpothier | o/ | 12:01 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 12:01 |
| ryansb | \o | 12:01 |
| asalkeld | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:01 | |
| skraynev | I am here ;) | 12:02 |
| sirushti | o/ | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | we could add the gate status to the agenda | 12:02 |
| rakesh_hs | o/ | 12:02 |
| asalkeld | anything else? | 12:02 |
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| asalkeld | #topic Any critical bugs to stop rc2 becoming the release? | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Any critical bugs to stop rc2 becoming the release? (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:02 | |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 12:03 |
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| asalkeld | any super important bugs (critical) that would prevent rc2 being the final release | 12:03 |
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| asalkeld | (other bugs can be backported later) | 12:03 |
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| inc0 | o/ | 12:04 |
| shardy | asalkeld: not a release blocker, but just FYI the hooks interfaces we landed have ended up being not that useable | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | well I'll watch the bug list | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | really? | 12:04 |
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| skraynev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175868/ | 12:04 |
| shardy | I'm implementing client side workarounds as it's too late to fix the API, but we'll have to rework during L | 12:04 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: ^ | 12:04 |
| asalkeld | ok | 12:04 |
| shardy | asalkeld: yeah, the exposing of hitting hooks only via events turns out to be not-so-great | 12:05 |
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| shardy | as you have to poll and filter (client side) every single event from all the stacks in the tree | 12:05 |
| skraynev | I 'd like to see this one, because it fix bug with common case:) | 12:05 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev: that seems like a corner case or no? | 12:05 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev: if we want that in, we would have to move very quickly | 12:06 |
| asalkeld | and get it merged into master | 12:06 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: do you mean today? | 12:06 |
| pas-ha | asalkeld, not really - we hit that quite often with say server with ports that is unable to boot due to "no valid host found" | 12:07 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev: it needs to get into master fast | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | then we need to chat to ttx | 12:07 |
| zaneb | \o | 12:07 |
| asalkeld | hi zaneb | 12:07 |
| skraynev | I have reviewed it yesterday. | 12:07 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175868/ | 12:07 |
| skraynev | and wnated to get feedback from zaneb | 12:08 |
| ananta | hi | 12:08 |
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| skraynev | *wanted | 12:08 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev: zaneb can you figure out if that really needs to go into kilo-final | 12:08 |
| asalkeld | if yes please ping ttx and say so quickly | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | it's after 10pm here | 12:09 |
| zaneb | is this a new issue? | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | #action zaneb skraynev shardy follow up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1446575 | 12:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446575 in heat "Invalid Templete Reference when delete failed stack" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kairat Kushaev (kkushaev) | 12:09 |
| asalkeld | not sure | 12:10 |
| skraynev | zaneb: same behavior for Juno | 12:10 |
| skraynev | zaneb: two wrong updates may leads to undeletable stack | 12:10 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: then I don't see a reason to rush it tbh | 12:10 |
| asalkeld | well if we can, and it's a common uses case - then why not | 12:11 |
| zaneb | I'd be more comfortable getting it in 2015.1.1 | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | maybe ask ttx how big the hassle is | 12:11 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: when is that? | 12:11 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: because this is an incredibly fragile piece of the code which has had next to no testing and we are about to release like today | 12:12 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: anyway I agree to backport it later, if it be more comfortable ;) | 12:12 |
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| ananta | I agree with zaneb | 12:12 |
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| skraynev | and safely | 12:12 |
| asalkeld | ok, if we are ok with it coming later, then fine | 12:12 |
| shardy | +1 | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | ok lets move on | 12:13 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: it's not like it's a regression | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | zaneb: sure, but i believe reasonbly common uses case of murano | 12:13 |
| skraynev | zaneb: agree | 12:13 |
| asalkeld | #topic HOT & Fn::Split (shardy) | 12:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HOT & Fn::Split (shardy) (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:13 | |
| asalkeld | shardy: ... | 12:13 |
| shardy | So, I've run into a use-case where we want to split a neutron cidr | 12:14 |
| shardy | e.g 1.2.3.4/24 | 12:14 |
| shardy | by the "/" | 12:14 |
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| asalkeld | replace? | 12:14 |
| shardy | that used to be possible via Fn::Split, but afaics we removed it after the first hot version | 12:15 |
| noaKoffman | Hi guys, can anyone please review the blueprint spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171781/ ? thanks | 12:15 |
| shardy | asalkeld: you don't know either half ahead of time to populate the replace | 12:15 |
| shardy | atm, we're kludging it by using get_attr to get each character of the subnet mask | 12:15 |
| * shardy gets link | 12:15 | |
| zaneb | yeah, opposite problem | 12:15 |
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| zaneb | that said, the answer is to pass in the network and mask separately | 12:16 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177845/3/network/ports/external.yaml | 12:16 |
| tspatzier | shardy: is the use case that you want to use one part for a property, or split a string into a list for filling a list type property? | 12:16 |
| shardy | zaneb: Yeah, I'm not sure the port resource provides those | 12:16 |
| asalkeld | shardy: we would need to make a new template version | 12:16 |
| zaneb | shardy: that's fixable :) | 12:17 |
| shardy | asalkeld: sure, I guess my question is, am I missing a way to do it, and if not, what would a good interface look like (for L, obviously) | 12:17 |
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| ryansb | zaneb: sure it is, but a Fn::Split equivalent sure would be nice in any case | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | why not just add split | 12:17 |
| asalkeld | shardy: instead of coming up with yet another inconsistency | 12:18 |
| shardy | tspatzier: the use-case is some attribute-mangling, but it's more general as I think the split feature is useful | 12:18 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: because as you just said, we'd need a new template format | 12:18 |
| tspatzier | +1 I like split much more than e.g. digest which was added some time back ;-) | 12:18 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah, I'm leaning towards just adding a native split | 12:18 |
| * zaneb is happy if tspatzier is happy | 12:19 | |
| shardy | zaneb: I think the workaround we have for TripleO is OK for now, but I'd like to define a cleaner way for L | 12:19 |
| skraynev | +1 for the split for hot ;) | 12:19 |
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| shardy | Ok, I'll propose a spec for L and we can bikeshed on interfaces there ;) | 12:19 |
| asalkeld | sure | 12:19 |
| ryansb | shardy: indeed, I'll bring my book of paint swatches. | 12:19 |
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| asalkeld | #topic open discussion | 12:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: heat)" | 12:20 | |
| shardy | thanks all | 12:20 |
| asalkeld | #topic open bikeshedding | 12:20 |
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| zaneb | shardy: you know that attaching a mask length to an actual IP address makes no sense, right? | 12:20 |
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| asalkeld | :-) | 12:20 |
| * zaneb scratches head | 12:20 | |
| ryansb | zaneb: uh, yes it does? | 12:20 |
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| ryansb | CIDR notation is pretty universal for network-y folks | 12:20 |
| shardy | zaneb: it does if you want to configure an interface | 12:20 |
| ryansb | ^ also that | 12:21 |
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| zaneb | ryansb: right. a network address has a mask length. an ip address is just an ip address | 12:21 |
| ryansb | hrm. | 12:22 |
| shardy | zaneb: I'll follow up with dprince on why/where the subnet is used in this case | 12:22 |
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| zaneb | maybe it's just too early in the morning and I am losing it | 12:22 |
| * asalkeld sleepy | 12:22 | |
| tspatzier | has anyone ever thought about combining MultiPartMime with SoftwareDeployment? Currently, it seems it can only take a simple config. Use case is that somebody would like to use CloudConfig with SoftwareDeployment which does not seem to work today. | 12:23 |
| shardy | tspatzier: it does work, but you have to do the SoftwareDeployment after cloud-init runs | 12:23 |
| inc0 | well, ip can be represented by /32 cidr | 12:23 |
| tspatzier | shardy: do we have an example for this? | 12:24 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/software-config/example-templates/example-os-apply-config-plus-cloud-config.yaml | 12:24 |
| shardy | tspatzier: also, we're doing the same in the TripleO heat templates | 12:24 |
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| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170137/ | 12:24 |
| tspatzier | shardy: great, thanks! One of my colleagues was looking for something like this, so he'll be happy to see this :-) | 12:25 |
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| shardy | there, you can pass any cloud-config via multi-part-mime, and then we do a bunch of subsequent SoftwareDeployments | 12:25 |
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| shardy | tspatzier: np :) | 12:25 |
| zaneb | inc0: the given example is taking the masklen from the network address and mashing it on the end of the IP | 12:25 |
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| dprince | zaneb: with ipaddress/CIDR you can get everything you need | 12:26 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb: dose it matter, the mask - well masks the unused bits out? | 12:26 |
| inc0 | all I'm saying - CIDR can represnt both network as single address | 12:26 |
| dprince | zaneb: some of our tooling makes use of this compressed format in TripleO already | 12:26 |
| zaneb | yeah, it probably doesn't matter and is orthogonal to the actual problem here | 12:27 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb: missing working on mulitcast protocols | 12:27 |
| ryansb | tl;dr we need split | 12:27 |
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| zaneb | asalkeld: not in the least :) | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | haha | 12:28 |
| asalkeld | we seem to be running out of topics | 12:28 |
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| asalkeld | end or some bright ideas? | 12:29 |
| inc0 | do we accept all sessions from etherpad? | 12:29 |
| inc0 | (I don't know if its free discussion yes?:) | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | inc0: it's purely a matter of space | 12:29 |
| ryansb | inc0: it is | 12:29 |
| inc0 | yeah, I think we can't fit it all already? | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | (how many on the etherpad vs. slots) | 12:29 |
| asalkeld | o, i nearly forgot | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | release notes! | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | we have an eathpad | 12:30 |
| shardy | asalkeld: one thought, to the extent that is possible, it'd be good to juggle sessions to avoid collisions with TripleO | 12:30 |
| asalkeld | and we need to get all official | 12:30 |
| shardy | given that quite a few of us are now working on both | 12:31 |
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| asalkeld | shardy: maybe - chat to the baker | 12:31 |
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| shardy | oh yeah | 12:31 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | doh | 12:31 |
| asalkeld | wrong | 12:31 |
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| asalkeld | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo | 12:32 |
| asalkeld | please have a look (and edit) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-kilo-releasenotes | 12:33 |
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| asalkeld | i'll move that into the wiki | 12:33 |
| pas-ha | asalkeld, no-op, etherpad is not working | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | #action asalkeld update the kilo release notes | 12:33 |
| asalkeld | pas-ha: works for me | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-kilo-releasenotes | 12:34 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: pas-ha: for me too | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | it says 4 people are on there | 12:34 |
| skraynev | I mean wfm ;) | 12:34 |
| asalkeld | ok that's all from me | 12:35 |
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| asalkeld | last chance or i end the meeting | 12:36 |
| asalkeld | #endmeeting | 12:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 29 12:36:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-29-12.00.html | 12:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-29-12.00.txt | 12:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-04-29-12.00.log.html | 12:36 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: Ping | 15:00 |
| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 29 15:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Good morning! | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Or afternoon | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | Hi johnthetubaguy | 15:00 |
| BobBall | How are things? | 15:00 |
| BobBall | Busier now I imagine! | 15:00 |
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| BobBall | #topic CI | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:01 | |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, busy busy | 15:01 |
| BobBall | So the main issue with the CI this week ishas been that the gerrit stream keeps getting reset | 15:01 |
| BobBall | it seems that zuul has also been suffering from it (periods of up to 10 minutes where we can't contact review.openstack.org) | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh yeah, I heard about some of that in -infra | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | but the OSCI didn't restart as nicely as Zuul | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, doh | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | I've now added a cronjob to ensure it's running every 30 minutes | 15:02 |
| BobBall | simplest fix | 15:02 |
| BobBall | Medium term I still plan to move to the zuul+jenkins way of doing things | 15:02 |
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| BobBall | so didn't want to invest in a more complicated solution | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that sounds like a good plan | 15:03 |
| BobBall | Apart from that pass rates look good when we're running | 15:03 |
| BobBall | so I'm going to re-enable voting | 15:03 |
| BobBall | but restrict tests to just Nova | 15:03 |
| BobBall | since I haven't asked for voting permissions to be added to the other repos (devstack/tempest) | 15:03 |
| BobBall | I think that covers that really | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | the libvirt+xen CI is an interesting one too | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | :) | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, one sec | 15:04 |
| BobBall | http://jenkins.openstack.xenproject.org/job/dsvm-tempest-xen/buildTimeTrend | 15:04 |
| BobBall | humz? | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think turbo hipster folks are running zuul, not sure what they can share | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | but its worth exploring that | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | Well I'm running zuul for libvirt+xen CI | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | I do want to investigate a combined zuul for several 3rd party CIs where we can | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool, so step one already done | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | so my plan is to move the XenServer CI to share the jenkins+zuul with libvirt+xen | 15:05 |
| BobBall | and from there it's a simple step to integrate with or integrate other peoples 3rd party CIs | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | the only issue is access as several CIs are running within a firewall rather than in a public cloud like the XS and libvirt/xen CIs | 15:06 |
| BobBall | -only+main :) | 15:06 |
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| BobBall | Anyway; pass rate for libvirt+xen is looking good too. | 15:06 |
| BobBall | The jobs you can see there have mostly suffered from common problems -infra have also been struggling with | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | for example the period 24 hours agoish where the RAX mirror was broken | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | good signs | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | are there any major bloopers left? | 15:08 |
| BobBall | Next step is I'm planning to write a simple tool to analyse the results and compare to see which jobs we fail that jenkins passed | 15:08 |
| BobBall | None of the tools I'm aware of currently do quite what we need | 15:08 |
| BobBall | basically to investigate disagreements between the systems | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | elastaicrecheck is good, but yeah, that could be not quite what you want | 15:09 |
| BobBall | We don't have a logserver that can be used to run elasticrecheck | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | actually it might be able to compare tempest failures, but it takes quite a bit of infrastructurure | 15:09 |
| BobBall | our logs are stored in swift for cost reasons | 15:09 |
| BobBall | That to :) | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | Anyway - a simple script that pulls results from gerrit + a jenkins server should be straight forward to write | 15:10 |
| BobBall | so I'll have a bash at that soon | 15:10 |
| BobBall | so I can convince myself mostly that the results we're seeing are god. | 15:10 |
| BobBall | good* | 15:10 |
| BobBall | A quick check of the results doesn't show any tempest jobs that fail more often than others, so if we do have an issue it's a generic libvirt+xen one | 15:10 |
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| BobBall | I think that's it for CI | 15:11 |
| BobBall | unless you have any more johnthetubaguy ? | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | nothing from me, thats sounds good | 15:11 |
| BobBall | Oh - one more - we're likely to have a meeting next week or the week after to explain how the CI is set up | 15:11 |
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| BobBall | basically just following asselin's puppet scripts with some tweaks and hacks that I'm going to upstream at some point :) | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | Think that's it. | 15:13 |
| BobBall | #topic XenServer Dundee | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dundee? | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | next version? | 15:13 |
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| BobBall | Just to let you know that an alpha for "Dundee" has been released. | 15:13 |
| BobBall | This is an Open Source XenServer release | 15:13 |
| BobBall | based on the latest trunk code | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, centos7 | 15:14 |
| BobBall | and, for legal reasons, may not have any correspondance with the next Citrix XenServer release | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | python2.7 ? | 15:14 |
| BobBall | e.g. features in this alpha may not be present in the next XenServer release ;) | 15:14 |
| BobBall | Yes | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, yeah, that old cookie, well thats probably accurate too, in general | 15:15 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | Anyway, the C7 work is definitely the biggest item in there | 15:15 |
| BobBall | but I think it's also upgraded Xen | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | but still using the 3.10 64-bit kernel from 6.5 | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, cool | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that makes sense | 15:16 |
| BobBall | *nod* | 15:16 |
| BobBall | Anyway, that's all for that from me. | 15:16 |
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| BobBall | #topic Recruiting | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Recruiting (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:16 | |
| BobBall | Going well - but again, if you know anyone in Nanjing who wants to work on OpenStack let me know. | 15:17 |
| BobBall | That's all. | 15:17 |
| BobBall | #topic AOB | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:17 | |
| BobBall | Anything from you johnthetubaguy ? | 15:17 |
| BobBall | Or anyone who has been lurking? | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | nothing really, liberty is open, I guess thats the big thing | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | did you get the help from our side on the CI yet? | 15:18 |
| BobBall | I disabled the test | 15:18 |
| BobBall | Yes, I probably should have talked more on that. | 15:18 |
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| BobBall | jg0 was ready to help | 15:18 |
| BobBall | but I couldn't build a dev CI environment | 15:18 |
| BobBall | as the -infra modules (specifically project-config) have evolved and our scripts aren't compatible now | 15:18 |
| BobBall | I need to do a rebasing round to be able to deploy a dev CI for jg0 to investigat.e | 15:19 |
| BobBall | But with summit prep that rebasing has taken a back seat :) | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, we have mostly chosen the summit sessions now | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | did you need anything in the Nova design summit track? | 15:19 |
| BobBall | Excellent | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was guessing no? | 15:20 |
| BobBall | I'd say not this time, no. | 15:20 |
| BobBall | We'll have a lot to ask / talk about next summit I'm sure. | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, xenapi pool support | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | are we ready to kill that, seems to pop up now and again | 15:21 |
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| BobBall | I'm happy for it to be removed yees | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, maybe its a good on boarding task for new devs | 15:21 |
| BobBall | quite possibly :) | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cools, nothing more comes to mind right now | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | OK great | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | Next meeting is week before summit and one then week after summit | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | #topic Next Meeting | 15:22 |
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| BobBall | I'm assuming we won't need both as we'll be talking lots at the summit | 15:22 |
| BobBall | preference for one or the other? | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, good question | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I should be alive for both of those, in theory | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | possibly post summit would be better? | 15:23 |
| BobBall | OK - let's aim for post summit | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks BobBall | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Oh drat | 15:24 |
| BobBall | No, I can't | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | I'll be in Nanjing week after summit. | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | hehe, the one before then, thats fine | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Let's shoot for pre-summit :) | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | Next meeting 13th May then! | 15:24 |
| BobBall | Thanks johnthetubaguy | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | catch you later! | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 29 15:25:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-04-29-15.00.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-04-29-15.00.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-04-29-15.00.log.html | 15:25 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 29 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| rhe00_ | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | howdy | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
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| cebruns | Hi! | 16:00 |
| akerr | o/ | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| adurbin_ | hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | announcements! | 16:00 |
| rajinir_r | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
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| ameade | o/ | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | hey | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hump Daaay! | 16:00 |
| thingee | liberty midcycle meetup date choices are here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:00 |
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| asselin | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
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| kmartin_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| dustins_ | o\ | 16:01 |
| dustins_ | err.. o/ | 16:01 |
| thingee | aug 3-5 or aug 10-12 | 16:01 |
| thingee | also an idea, extending the meet up for actual hack time | 16:01 |
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| thingee | or perhaps using the last day for hack time | 16:01 |
| thingee | while everyone is in the same room | 16:01 |
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| thingee | would like feedback from people | 16:02 |
| cebruns | Hack time would be awesome! | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Not a bad idea. | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | I think hack time is definitely worth trying | 16:03 |
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| thingee | so please provide feedback, and people that are welling to host us, please indicate which date(s) work. if no one can work with these dates, we'll revisit | 16:03 |
| thingee | just throwing something out there though to start | 16:03 |
| thingee | thanks! | 16:03 |
| kmartin_ | hack time +1 | 16:03 |
| winston-d | join late, hack time when? | 16:03 |
| adurbin_ | +1 on fort collins | 16:03 |
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| e0ne | +1 for hack time | 16:03 |
| winston-d | mid cycle meetup? | 16:03 |
| thingee | winston-d: at the midcycle meetup | 16:04 |
| winston-d | ok | 16:04 |
| thingee | Also reminder spec reviews are happening https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder-specs,n,z | 16:04 |
| thingee | would appreciate people helping me with reviews as some of you have been doing already | 16:04 |
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| thingee | For blueprints that don't require spec, I was wondering, can someone tell me if you're able to mark a blueprint as pending approval? | 16:05 |
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| thingee | was thinking of announcing to people that they should flag a blueprint as so to get my attention, so I have a queue to look through | 16:06 |
| thingee | instead of individual pings | 16:06 |
| tbarron | thingee: you mean marking our own, right? | 16:06 |
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| thingee | tbarron: yes | 16:06 |
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| tbarron | where a bp within our own driver doesn't need a coresponding spec | 16:06 |
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| thingee | tbarron: yes | 16:06 |
| vilobhmm1 | hello everyone gm | 16:06 |
| tbarron | thingee: I will try it and let you know later today, | 16:06 |
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| patrickeast | i just changed one to pending approval, looks like it worked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/pure-fc-driver | 16:06 |
| thingee | patrickeast: thanks | 16:06 |
| thingee | ok, so does that sound ok to everyone? Just mark things as pending approval and I'll watch those? | 16:07 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:07 |
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| thingee | and if I'm being slow, of course let me know | 16:07 |
| e0ne | +1, | 16:07 |
| thingee | great | 16:07 |
| patrickeast | sounds good | 16:07 |
| geguileo | +1 | 16:07 |
| vilobhmm1 | +1 | 16:07 |
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| thingee | I'll send an email to let folks know on the list | 16:07 |
| xyang2 | thingee: do we have to change the approver to your name too? | 16:07 |
| thingee | lets get started! | 16:07 |
| thingee | xyang2: nah I can do all that | 16:07 |
| xyang2 | thingee: ok, thanks | 16:08 |
| thingee | agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:08 |
| thingee | expect a lot of time to be taken on the summit review stuff | 16:08 |
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| thingee | #topic Cinder Quota delete API behavior | 16:08 |
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| thingee | geguileo: hi | 16:08 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:08 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061000.html | 16:08 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines | 16:09 |
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| geguileo | Ok, so currently quota delete API deletes limits | 16:09 |
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| geguileo | But also deletes usage and reservations | 16:09 |
| geguileo | Acording to API doc it shouldn't: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-blockstorage-v2.html#ext-os-quota-sets-cinder | 16:10 |
| geguileo | It reads: Deletes quotas for a tenant so the quotas revert to default values. | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | According API guidelines this API endpoint can be changed without needing a new endpoint | 16:10 |
| geguileo | But people don't feel confortable with that | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | I don't mind either way, but there must be a way for operators to only delete limits (which is usually their intention) | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | Deleting usages and reservations looks like a straight bug to me? That can never be the right thing to do, right? | 16:12 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: That's what I think | 16:12 |
| thingee | DuncanT: Someone who wrote the docs was also confused about this too | 16:12 |
| winston-d | In what cases, people want to delete quota for a tenant? | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | winston-d: You delete the quota limits for a tenant and set it back to the defaults | 16:12 |
| winston-d | geguileo: so what's the asnwer to "This is a matter of how the "Quota delete" is understood, as "Delete quotas and leave no quota limits, not even defaults" or just "Delete additional quota limits that override defaults". | 16:13 |
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| geguileo | winston-d: The answer is that you delete the limits and revert to default as the documentation says | 16:14 |
| geguileo | winston-d: It's not about setting it to no restrictions | 16:14 |
| winston-d | geguileo: so it's reset-quota-to-default | 16:14 |
| geguileo | winston-d: That's what the API docs says | 16:14 |
| geguileo | winston-d: "Deletes quotas for a tenant so the quotas revert to default values." | 16:14 |
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| winston-d | OK. thx | 16:15 |
| winston-d | I agree usage and reservations shouldn't be affected by doing that. | 16:15 |
| thingee | anyone opposed? | 16:15 |
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| thingee | geguileo: sounds like no one disagrees | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | Just make sure it is clearly release noted, I guess | 16:16 |
| vilobhmm1 | i agree with DucanT, winston-d | 16:16 |
| thingee | DuncanT: +1 upgradeimpact please so we remember to add this | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | dulek: +1 | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:16 |
| thingee | #agreed usage and reservations should not be affected | 16:16 |
| thingee | geguileo: thanks | 16:17 |
| geguileo | Ok, I will modify the commit message of current patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162722/ | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry dulek ... unpredictable tab completion. | 16:17 |
| geguileo | Thanks guys | 16:17 |
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| thingee | #topic Liberty Summit Sessions | 16:17 |
| dulek | jungleboyj: I was surprised. ;) | 16:17 |
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| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-proposed-sessions | 16:17 |
| thingee | alright here we go | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:18 |
| thingee | lets start with working sessions | 16:18 |
| thingee | because I have a feeling we'll be moving some out to fish bowl maybe | 16:18 |
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| thingee | Very small discussion if we think these topics will be worth technical discussion | 16:19 |
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| thingee | remember working sessions is a smaller room | 16:19 |
| thingee | not meant for user interaction | 16:19 |
| thingee | these are things we already agree have a clear use case. | 16:19 |
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| thingee | if we're unsure of use case, might be best to propose to fish bowl to get feedback | 16:19 |
| thingee | ok first up, Task resumptions | 16:19 |
| thingee | dulek: hi | 16:19 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147879/ | 16:20 |
| dulek | Hi guys! | 16:20 |
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| thingee | #topic Task Resumptions | 16:20 |
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| dulek | I've updated the spec with what I think would work. | 16:20 |
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| thingee | so at this point, this is something I think we all want in Cinder. the question is how the approach will be | 16:21 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:21 |
| dulek | So basically I want to discuss if this is sane at gather feedback | 16:21 |
| dulek | Maybe redesign some things. | 16:21 |
| thingee | does this currently have a tie with decisions in another topic dulek ? | 16:21 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:21 |
| thingee | like taskflow? | 16:21 |
| thingee | would like to make sure I schedule things in the right order | 16:21 |
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| e0ne | we could start with PoC based on taskflow before summit | 16:21 |
| dulek | Yeah, I'm assuming TaskFlow would stay. | 16:21 |
| thingee | ok where's the discussion on taskflow? | 16:22 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-taskflow | 16:22 |
| thingee | can someone move that to the topic of working sessions | 16:22 |
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| thingee | dulek: can you make yours as dependent on that discussion? just so I schedule things in the right order | 16:22 |
| e0ne | thingee: do you want a separate session? | 16:23 |
| dulek | thingee: Okay, I'll do that. | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm1 | thingee : i have one https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/resiliency-with-without-statemanagement | 16:23 |
| thingee | e0ne: I thought there was going to be one | 16:23 |
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| thingee | Any others that are dependent on taskflow should state so...just so I schedule things in the right order | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm1 | myself and duncanT will be covering it under "Active / Active cinder-volume: Towards better resiliency, the way forward " | 16:23 |
| e0ne | thingee: agree, that's why i didn't add topic about TF | 16:23 |
| vilobhmm1 | thingee : have updated the liberty session link with it already | 16:24 |
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| tbarron | I think it's a mistake to just move ahead working on designs that assume taskflow w/o having the meta conversation first. | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | tbarron: ++ | 16:24 |
| vilobhmm1 | +2 | 16:24 |
| thingee | DuncanT, vilobhmm1 I think there is some work anthony lee is doing towards this effort | 16:24 |
| thingee | of removing locks | 16:25 |
| thingee | can we make sure his work is part of this? | 16:25 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149894/ | 16:25 |
| vilobhmm1 | thingee : but first we need to clearly outline all the problem | 16:25 |
| hemna | those locks | 16:25 |
| hemna | :P | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: There are several people working on it. Part of the problem is that there are several related problems | 16:25 |
| vilobhmm1 | sure i am ok with tha | 16:25 |
| thingee | #topic active/active cinder-volume | 16:25 |
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| hemna | removing those locks, requires fixes in Nova, and nova tempest tests and gate tests. | 16:25 |
| hemna | FYI | 16:25 |
| winston-d | tbarron: +1 | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | There are two sets of locks, the ones in the manager and the ones in individual drivers... both doing different jobs | 16:26 |
| vilobhmm1 | yes..fixing locking issues in manager, drivers etc…also | 16:26 |
| vilobhmm1 | true | 16:26 |
| winston-d | hemna: why a cinder internal implementation has external dependency on Nova? | 16:26 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149894/ | 16:26 |
| hemna | that's the spec | 16:27 |
| hemna | winston-d, because the changes in Cinder causes different API behavior | 16:27 |
| dulek | winston-d: Because Nova is checking the state and assumes that it won't change before making an action. | 16:27 |
| dulek | winston-d: That's wrong. | 16:27 |
| hemna | that Nova doesn't account for. Nova is currently not catching any possible exceptions that might come back from calling Cinder. | 16:27 |
| hemna | nova blows up. | 16:27 |
| hemna | bad mmmmkay | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:27 |
| vilobhmm1 | dulek : i guess we have covered most of the things here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-active-active-vol-service-issues | 16:28 |
| thingee | ok seems fine to keep IMO | 16:28 |
| dulek | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-active-active-vol-service-issues | 16:28 |
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| thingee | keep in mind we have eight slots here. ... 17 are on this list if I counted right | 16:28 |
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| thingee | so lets be picky and merge things when necessary :) | 16:29 |
| dulek | thingee: Shall we move some to be discussed at friday in smaller subteams? | 16:29 |
| thingee | dulek: yeah, but I think this is fine | 16:29 |
| thingee | #topic API and contracts between nova and cinder | 16:29 |
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| thingee | DuncanT scottda hemna hi | 16:30 |
| hemna | hey | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Hey | 16:30 |
| scottda | hey | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | We discussed this earlies | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | earlier | 16:30 |
| thingee | so no details on this yet, but I agree we have a falling out a bit | 16:30 |
| hemna | So we started taking a look at the contract between Nova and Cinder interactions. | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | There are two strands: simple fixes to what is there | 16:30 |
| hemna | and DuncanT and I are going to try and throw together a WIP spec to look at this | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | And a re-do to do it properly | 16:30 |
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| hemna | as a parallel effort to what exists today. | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | There should be a spec before the summit | 16:31 |
| scottda | And we are told that Nova is very interested in this as well. | 16:31 |
| scottda | i.e. supportive | 16:31 |
| winston-d | big +1 | 16:31 |
| thingee | so I would say move this to sprints. If you are actually going to get nova folks to show up, might be worth while. | 16:31 |
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| winston-d | vol attach/detach failure has been our no.1 issues of Cinder, which unfortunately all happened in Nova | 16:32 |
| scottda | winston-d +1 | 16:32 |
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| e0ne | winston-d: +1 | 16:32 |
| hemna | there are a lot of 'bad' things that nova is doing with cinder currently, and will try and encapsulate those fixes along with attach/detach APIs in the spec. | 16:33 |
| tbarron | winston-d: +1 | 16:33 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:33 |
| hemna | live migration being another PITA | 16:33 |
| ameade | hemna: +1 | 16:33 |
| tbarron | ameade: you have the right to say that :-) | 16:33 |
| thingee | DuncanT, scottda, hemna can we do some communication to let nova folks know about this session? | 16:33 |
| e0ne | hemna: we've got one more session proposal with live migration | 16:33 |
| xyang2 | hemna: we have a related patch in nova and would like your feedback. I'll send you a link of it. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: +1 | 16:34 |
| thingee | are there going to be conflicts to have interested parties attending? | 16:34 |
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| hemna | xyang2, ok thanks | 16:34 |
| hemna | thingee, my thoughts were, lets figure out what our API should be, and then pull in the Nova folks | 16:34 |
| hemna | so we don't get bogged down in theoreticals | 16:34 |
| hemna | but also just touch base with them and let them know this is an issue we see value in addressing. | 16:34 |
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| thingee | seems like we can keep this in the sprints then if we're just talking amongst ourselves then? | 16:35 |
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| hemna | sure | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:35 |
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| thingee | someone mind moving that to sprints? | 16:35 |
| scottda | will do | 16:35 |
| thingee | #topic cinder agent /ironic integration | 16:35 |
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| hemna | :) | 16:36 |
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| thingee | so we don't have a cinder agent yet. not sure it's worth having at the working sessions yet. | 16:36 |
| thingee | but the ironic interaction | 16:36 |
| e0ne | ironic team is interesting in it too | 16:36 |
| hemna | sorrison, e0ne and I were looking at this one | 16:36 |
| hemna | gah | 16:37 |
| hemna | so | 16:37 |
| hemna | it's basically a REST API in front of os-brick | 16:37 |
| hemna | and made into a standalone service. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | i hope, we could get some working agent poc before summit | 16:37 |
| hemna | to manage fetching the initiator information, as well as volume discovery and detachment. | 16:38 |
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| hemna | e0ne, if we ignore the authentication stuff for now, we could get a POC REST api working pretty quickly in front of os-brick | 16:38 |
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| e0ne | hemna: i want to finish auth staff this weekend:) | 16:39 |
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| hemna | basically 3 APIs, get_connector, discover_volume, detach_volume | 16:39 |
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| hemna | e0ne, we should talk about that offline. | 16:39 |
| e0ne | hemna: agree | 16:39 |
| thingee | hemna: what do we plan to be discussed if this was a working session? | 16:39 |
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| hemna | the auth piece is a bit of a mystery to me and has security related issues | 16:40 |
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| e0ne | thingee: we need to notify ironic team when we'll get it | 16:40 |
| hemna | thingee, we can chat offline if you like. | 16:40 |
| thingee | ok, just trying to decide if this is beneficial at this point to have ironic folks attend or if this something we can do in the sprints. | 16:40 |
| winston-d | hemna: make sure new REST API service get the active-active HA piece right. ;) | 16:40 |
| hemna | winston-d, :P | 16:41 |
| thingee | right now it seems like it would be great to hack on this in the sprints? instead of rushing for POC at the summit? | 16:41 |
| e0ne | winston-d: ok:) | 16:41 |
| hemna | thingee, it might be worth pulling in the ironic folks | 16:41 |
| thingee | they might also be at the sprints. | 16:41 |
| hemna | thingee, in the past, I know that deva was against having agents running on the BM | 16:41 |
| hemna | not sure if that's changed though. | 16:41 |
| thingee | devananda: you plan to be part of this if no conflicts? | 16:41 |
| hemna | but the only way to do volume attaches/detaches is with an agent. | 16:42 |
| thingee | if it's a working sessions at the summit? | 16:42 |
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| thingee | ok running out of time on this one, so maybe... | 16:42 |
| hemna | ok | 16:42 |
| thingee | #topic online backup using snapshot | 16:42 |
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| thingee | DuncanT, xyang2 hi | 16:42 |
| xyang2 | hi, so we discussed about this at the meetup | 16:42 |
| xyang2 | I just want to have more detailed discussion on the API design | 16:43 |
| xyang2 | and nail it down | 16:43 |
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| thingee | xyang2: +1 for sprints shouldn't be too controversial? | 16:43 |
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| xyang2 | that is fine. I just want to discuss about it | 16:44 |
| xyang2 | and make sure we are in sync | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | Needs input from vendor experts, ideally, though we can do a safe fallback and just create a hidden volume from snap if necessary | 16:44 |
| xyang2 | by the way, what are doing at sprint that is not in a working session? | 16:44 |
| thingee | I think for sprints we'll have discussions at the first half, and the second half of the day will be actually working. | 16:44 |
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| xyang2 | DuncanT: I thought we want to avoid creating a volume? Seems slower | 16:45 |
| thingee | xyang2: working sessions is technical discussion on implementation details, but involves other parties | 16:45 |
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| thingee | not sure just us talking to each other | 16:45 |
| thingee | so vendors will still be encouraged to show up | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | xyang2: Where it is possible to do data transfer from the snap, we optimise, but that is a new requirement | 16:46 |
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| thingee | #agreed move to sprints | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | xyang2: We need a fallback path | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | DuncanT: ok | 16:46 |
| thingee | #topic automatically sync up service catalog | 16:46 |
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| thingee | xyang2: hi | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | DuncanT: yes, driver needs to implement attach snapshot | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | thingee: this is somewhat related to your topic on capabilities. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | I have no idea what this is referring to | 16:47 |
| dulek | DuncanT: +1 | 16:47 |
| xyang2 | thingee: so we are doing a POC trying to automatically read data from array and build service catalog | 16:47 |
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| thingee | service catalog to me is keystone | 16:48 |
| thingee | am I right what you're talking about here? | 16:48 |
| xyang2 | service catalog here refers to volume types and extra specs | 16:48 |
| e0ne | xyang2: do you have a spec for it? | 16:48 |
| hemna | xyang2, what do you mean by service catalog ? | 16:48 |
| xyang2 | not yet | 16:48 |
| hemna | that's completely unclear to me. | 16:48 |
| xyang2 | I can definitely add more info to it. | 16:48 |
| thingee | xyang2: need more information. | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | Can we rename it, right now, please? Reusing the name 'service catalogue' is just inviting confusion | 16:48 |
| hemna | ok coolio | 16:48 |
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| xyang2 | service catalog means volume types and extra specs. Sure I can rename | 16:48 |
| hemna | I was thinking cinder-manage service list | 16:48 |
| hemna | heh | 16:48 |
| thingee | xyang2: but if we can merge it into the capabilities stuff, I'm fine with that...just have no idea what this is | 16:48 |
| tbarron | xyang2: I think we call that service catalog too :-) | 16:49 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: that is what I think:) | 16:49 |
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| thingee | no service catalog please :( | 16:49 |
| tbarron | all the more reason to rename | 16:49 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:49 |
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| xyang2 | thingee: ok, I can rename it. | 16:49 |
| thingee | #agreed may merge into capabilities fish bowl talk | 16:49 |
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| thingee | #topic abc meta driver | 16:49 |
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| xyang2 | thingee: let me create an etherpad for it | 16:49 |
| thingee | mkoderer: hi | 16:49 |
| thingee | I think this will be fine for sprints | 16:49 |
| thingee | sprints should have active maintainers | 16:50 |
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| xyang2 | tbarron: I think I saw "service catalog" on netapp patches. so thought this is commonly accepted terms:) | 16:50 |
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| winston-d | thingee: +1 for sprint | 16:50 |
| thingee | #agreed ABC meta driver to be in sprints | 16:50 |
| tbarron | xyang2: :) | 16:50 |
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| thingee | #topic the state of live instance migration with attached volumes | 16:51 |
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| thingee | so I thought this would be great for fishbowl. I understand we'll be technical, but I think there is a bit of misconception on this to users? | 16:51 |
| thingee | people say it works, doesn't work, use this patch | 16:51 |
| ameade | yeah exactly | 16:51 |
| hemna | yah it's a mess | 16:51 |
| thingee | should be a full room | 16:51 |
| tbarron | ameade: +1 | 16:51 |
| vilobhmm1 | +1 | 16:51 |
| vilobhmm1 | agree | 16:51 |
| winston-d | +1 | 16:51 |
| thingee | ameade: I would also like jgriffith to help with this... | 16:52 |
| hemna | and there are some really bad assumptions that the nova code is making wrt connector information coming back from cinder drivers. | 16:52 |
| kmartin_ | thingee, +1 | 16:52 |
| dulek | thingee: +1 | 16:52 |
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| thingee | #agreed move to fishbowl | 16:52 |
| ameade | sounds good | 16:52 |
| xyang2 | hemna: do you have a bug number for the problem you see? we tested a few days ago and it worked | 16:52 |
| * thingee hopes people are updating the etherpad as he quickly makes decisions | 16:52 | |
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| hemna | xyang2, yah I have a few | 16:52 |
| thingee | #topic shadow tables implementation | 16:52 |
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| dulek | thingee: We're trying to catch up. ;) | 16:52 |
| thingee | e0ne: hi | 16:52 |
| e0ne | we can move it to Friday:) | 16:52 |
| thingee | initially going to say sprints for this | 16:52 |
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| thingee | ha | 16:52 |
| thingee | #agreed move to sprints | 16:53 |
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| thingee | #topic REST API: volume detailed view | 16:53 |
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| thingee | sprints? | 16:53 |
| e0ne | may be. need to discuss how can/should we change our REST API | 16:53 |
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| winston-d | e0ne: i thought we don't change API, just the implementation of it, no? | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | We're putting a lot of things in sprints now... that is going to cause some reduction in focus... how many sprint sessions do we think we have? | 16:54 |
| e0ne | winston-d: i mean extend api to return more fields | 16:54 |
| ameade | couldnt the client just make multiple requests? | 16:55 |
| thingee | DuncanT: it'll be fine. there should be initial discussion, but people are going to break up into their stuff in the second half of the day | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT | Returning more fields we can just do.... | 16:55 |
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| dulek | DuncanT: +1 | 16:55 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: not everybody agrees with it:( | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Some of these are not going to be all that quick to discuss, I think | 16:55 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:55 |
| thingee | e0ne: I agree with it. Is that good enough? :) | 16:55 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: +1 | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: We've done it before, it's documented API policy that we do it | 16:56 |
| e0ne | thingee: ok. i'll wait +2 on spec;) | 16:56 |
| thingee | we've always been fine with adding more fields | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Where is the spec? | 16:56 |
| thingee | just changing/removing fields is a no no | 16:56 |
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| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156292/ | 16:56 |
| thingee | e0ne: like I said sprint should be fine, but sounds like we can resolve this in the spec. | 16:56 |
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| vilobhmm1 | +1 | 16:56 |
| thingee | #action thingee to decide after reviewing spec | 16:56 |
| vilobhmm1 | thingee | 16:56 |
| ameade | yeah i may have some concerns, i need to readup some | 16:56 |
| e0ne | thingee: fair enough. thanks! | 16:57 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Ah, you are proposing removing stuff from the default... that is harder | 16:57 |
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| thingee | #topic nested quota driver | 16:57 |
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| thingee | vilobhmm1: hi | 16:57 |
| vilobhmm1 | hi thingee | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | thingee: that REST API stuff does need discussion IMO | 16:57 |
| vilobhmm1 | have uploaded blueprint , spec | 16:57 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: maybe my fault. i mean _extend_ current defults | 16:58 |
| thingee | is there a cross project initiative on this? could it be discussed there? | 16:58 |
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| vilobhmm1 | it has detailed use cases mentioned | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Shall we talk after the meeting? | 16:58 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: sure | 16:58 |
| thingee | 2 min warning | 16:58 |
| vilobhmm1 | no cross project initiative that i know of…keystone has done work on heirarchical stuff and that was accepted in kilo | 16:58 |
| vilobhmm1 | nova started work on same | 16:59 |
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| vilobhmm1 | i think we also need to gear up in same direction | 16:59 |
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| vilobhmm1 | as the community is moving for that support | 16:59 |
| thingee | what do we need to discuss exactly? | 16:59 |
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| vilobhmm1 | the implementation | 16:59 |
| vilobhmm1 | the effects that it will have, the use-cases | 16:59 |
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| thingee | fish bowl maybe? | 16:59 |
| thingee | maybe | 17:00 |
| thingee | out of time | 17:00 |
| thingee | continue on #openstack-cinder | 17:00 |
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| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| tjones2 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 29 17:05:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| tjones2 | hi - anyone around? sorry i am late | 17:05 |
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| tjones2 | guess not - ok canceling | 17:09 |
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| devananda | thingee: if no conflicts, yes. there are others who could attend/represent ironic even if I can't | 17:29 |
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| thingee | hemna: e0ne mind figuring out who from ironic can attend once we have a schedule? ^ | 17:29 |
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| devananda | thingee: hemna: as far as agents go, I'm still very stronly of the opinion that we can't require an in-guest agent to attach volumes, though I there seem to be cloud providers who are willing to make that compromise.... | 17:30 |
| e0ne | devananda: agree | 17:30 |
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| devananda | thingee: hemna: my main requirement will be that what ever API we come up with, across both cinder and ironic, it works for both in-band attach (whether agent or not) and out of band attach (eg, FCOE or firmware-based iscsi attach) | 17:30 |
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| devananda | e0ne: let's continue in #openstack-ironic | 17:31 |
| e0ne | ok | 17:31 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 18:59 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 29 19:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 19:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:00 |
| ho | o/ | 19:00 |
| jrichli | here | 19:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 19:00 |
| imkarrer | o/ | 19:00 |
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| gvernik | hello | 19:00 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 19:00 |
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| torgomatic | 😹 | 19:01 |
| wbhuber_ | o/ | 19:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:01 |
| peluse | hola | 19:01 |
| notmyname | welcome! | 19:01 |
| notmyname | today's agenda has one item: summit session prep | 19:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| dmorita | hi | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | so before we get into the sessions, general info and helpful links | 19:02 |
| notmyname | room layout for the technical sessions: | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VsFdRYGbX5eCde81XDV7TrPBfEC7cgtOFikruYmqbPY/edit#gid=569963128 | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | the overall schedule: | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/schedule/ | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | you should have your passport by now. and probably flights and hotels | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | if you have a sched.org account, you can select the thigns you want to go to and download a calendar for you r phone | 19:03 |
| notmyname | makes it easier to know where to be when | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | looks like it will be a busy week, but I think this will be one of the more productive summits for us | 19:04 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | I'm especially looking forward to the new technical track layout | 19:04 |
| notmyname | there are 3 kinds of sessions | 19:04 |
| notmyname | 1) fishbowl: large rooms, similar to previous summits. facilitated discussions with a large audience. we have 6 of these | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | 2) working sessions: small rooms, similar to the hackathons, focused discussions on specific things, write/review code. we have 10 of these | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | 3) "meetup": we have a room all day friday for an open space meetup with no specific schedule in it. similar to friday in paris last november | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | if you have specific conflicts (eg I think I might be giving a talk during one of the swift sessions), please let me know asap | 19:07 |
| notmyname | and we'll see if something can be worked out | 19:07 |
| notmyname | so...where are we right now? | 19:07 |
| mattoliverau | at home :P | 19:07 |
| notmyname | we've got the RC2 tagged. that will be released tomorrow at around 1400UTC as swift 2.3.0 in openstack kilo | 19:08 |
| notmyname | thank you, again, for all your work on it | 19:08 |
| peluse | way cool | 19:08 |
| mattoliverau | awesome | 19:08 |
| kota_ | great | 19:09 |
| dionkalo | ] | 19:09 |
| notmyname | which brings us to "what's next", which is a perfect segue to the summit sessions (where we talk abotu what's going on and what's next) | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | #topic summit sessions | 19:09 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-swift-summit-topics | 19:09 |
| notmyname | since last week, I've reorganized that etherpad | 19:09 |
| notmyname | at the top are the fishbowl sessions | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | next are the working sessions | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | and at the bottom are the "overflow" sessions | 19:10 |
| notmyname | I've got 6 fishbowls listed and IIRC 7 working sessions | 19:10 |
| notmyname | so 2 things: | 19:10 |
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| notmyname | first, if your name is on one of the sessions, this week (today even!) make a etherpad with a high-level description or outline of the session and add it to this document | 19:11 |
| peluse | hmmm, all I see are blank sections for fish/working at the top and then a lundry list of ideas | 19:11 |
| notmyname | peluse: have you tried turning it off and back on? | 19:11 |
| jrichli | lol - love that show | 19:12 |
| peluse | oh, never mind :) | 19:12 |
| notmyname | the linked etherpads can either be a scratch pad for ideas and we'll work through them as a group in the room. or they can be more of a place to collect thoughts for what needs to be discussed | 19:12 |
| peluse | stuff at the top are definitions and then I see 'type' with each idea | 19:12 |
| notmyname | remember that while there is a small about of "presentation", especially for fishbowls, these sessions are more of a conversation or discussion, not a lecture with a huge slide deck | 19:13 |
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| notmyname | I will be very happy to help anyone with prep for a particular session | 19:13 |
| dmorita | notmyname: ok, i will prepare it | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ok, the second thing is that I'd like to go over the sessions in the bottom overflow sessions to fill out the working rooms and prioritize | 19:14 |
| notmyname | dmorita: thanks! | 19:14 |
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| notmyname | ok, first one to look at is python-swiftclient status and next steps | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | I think this is important, but there isn't yet actually any specific thing around it other than "we should do something" | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | what do you think? should we make sure this gets specific time, or leave it to more informal conversations? | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ...not everyone at once... | 19:16 |
| peluse | no input from clayg on this one? | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | clayg doesn't seem to be here :-( | 19:17 |
| torgomatic | it's a long way between "ugh" and "here's how to fix it" | 19:17 |
| peluse | seems like there's always plenty to talk about wrt client - at least last time anyways | 19:17 |
| mattoliverau | hmm, I'm on the fence.. it is important, but do we have 40 minutes of conversation about it.. but it does need time i guess | 19:17 |
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| peluse | maybe call it "a bitch session" :) | 19:17 |
| notmyname | ok, in my arbitrary scale, let's put it at a 7 | 19:17 |
| notmyname | ok, fast-post spec | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | acoles isn't here (he had a work dinner) | 19:18 |
| notmyname | do we need a full working session on this, or do we really just need to get the spec landed and work through it? | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | (same question for all of the spec ones, actually) | 19:18 |
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| peluse | I've talked with him about a few of the tiems there, think its al stuff we will do | 19:18 |
| peluse | so probably land it and do it | 19:18 |
| torgomatic | probably the latter for this one; seems like we know *what* we want, it's just a matter of *how* | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | ok. priority 4 | 19:19 |
| torgomatic | discussion is more valuable when there are differing opinions on what to do IMO | 19:19 |
| peluse | agreed | 19:19 |
| notmyname | global cluster improvements | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | I think this one is low priority (I added it) | 19:20 |
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| notmyname | this should be more a response to what we're all seeing in prod, not ideas we come up with | 19:20 |
| notmyname | however, if there are some specific things to bring up, that's good | 19:20 |
| notmyname | anyone feel strongly about including this one in a working session? | 19:20 |
| mattoliverau | sounds like a beer session ;P | 19:21 |
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| kota_ | lol | 19:21 |
| notmyname | I can't see your face, so typing "no" helps ;-) | 19:21 |
| torgomatic | when the only tool you have is getting hammered, everything looks like a beer session ;) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:21 |
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| gvernik | mattoliverau,: it's 6 am for you...and you already speak about beer? :) | 19:22 |
| * torgomatic doesn't care about this one | 19:22 | |
| notmyname | gvernik: he's australian. it's different there | 19:22 |
| mattoliverau | gvernik: lol, 5:22 actaully :P | 19:22 |
| notmyname | priority 1 | 19:22 |
| peluse | not different than AZ! | 19:22 |
| notmyname | next | 19:22 |
| * cschwede just arrived - hello! | 19:22 | |
| notmyname | symlink spec | 19:22 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: do you want a working session on symlinks? | 19:22 |
| notmyname | cschwede: welcome | 19:22 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: if we don't get the spec more hashed out by then, yes | 19:23 |
| peluse | I think we have 3 somewhat related sessions, that one, the policy changing and the netapp tier'ing | 19:23 |
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| torgomatic | I could see that one going with policy-change, but not the tiering thing | 19:23 |
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| peluse | do we hold all 3 and then spend some time Fri to sort out overlap (or not)? | 19:23 |
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| peluse | well, tiering could be the decision engine that then uses policy change... | 19:24 |
| notmyname | I'll mark them as potential candidates to combine | 19:24 |
| mattoliverau | not a bad idea | 19:24 |
| peluse | yeah, just so everyone knows there's some potential relation there | 19:24 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:24 |
| torgomatic | well, the difference is that I like symlinks, could tolerate policy changing, and dislike auto-tiering :) | 19:24 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:24 |
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| peluse | nice | 19:25 |
| notmyname | object undelete spec | 19:25 |
| notmyname | cschwede: does this need a formal working session? | 19:25 |
| cschwede | notmyname: no, not a formal one. discussion on friday is enough i think | 19:26 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:26 |
| notmyname | same question for container alias spec | 19:26 |
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| cschwede | same answer :) | 19:26 |
| notmyname | updateable object sysmeta | 19:27 |
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| notmyname | isn't this related to fast post? | 19:27 |
| torgomatic | they're certainly playing in the same sandbox | 19:27 |
| mattoliverau | i think it is | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | ok, I'll propose combining them and bring it up with acoles | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | next | 19:28 |
| notmyname | metadata search / notifications | 19:28 |
| notmyname | this is interesting, since it makes me think of zaqar and their recent call for adoption | 19:29 |
| notmyname | cschwede: is there a spec yet? | 19:29 |
| cschwede | no, no spec yet | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | would anyone rank it as more important than a swiftclient session? how about more important than the fastpost/sysmeta one? | 19:30 |
| torgomatic | I wonder if the zaqar folks would be open to a cross-project working session here | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | if we schedule it, I'll tag it as part of their track too | 19:31 |
| notmyname | like I'll tag the ops session for ops | 19:31 |
| torgomatic | as it stands now, I believe that you have to get all kinds of keystoney to talk to a zaqar instance; there's no signature-based auth or something that'd be nice for use from within Swift | 19:31 |
| notmyname | so it shows up in multiple tracks | 19:31 |
| notmyname | ok, but where does this one rank? do we choose it over sysmeta/fastpost? | 19:32 |
| torgomatic | depends? | 19:32 |
| torgomatic | if zaqar folks are going to show up, yes. otherwise, no. IMO | 19:32 |
| notmyname | that makes sense. the summit is a perfect place for cross-project discussions | 19:32 |
| vkmc | hey hey o/ | 19:33 |
| vkmc | I, in behalf of Zaqar team, I can say yes :) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | of next up is kota_'s updates to container listings | 19:33 |
| notmyname | vkmc: :-) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | vkmc: should I ping you when it comes to scheduling to check for any potential conflicts? | 19:34 |
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| vkmc | please, feel free to ping me or flaper87 after the meeting or when you schedule the sessions | 19:34 |
| vkmc | sure | 19:34 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:34 |
| notmyname | I will later this week when I start to schedule them | 19:34 |
| vkmc | cool | 19:34 |
| notmyname | ok, back to container listing updates | 19:35 |
| notmyname | kota_: you proposed this one and said a friday discussion might be sufficient | 19:35 |
| kota_ | ya, we don't need 40 minutes for this one, I think. | 19:35 |
| notmyname | what do we all think? keep it on friday or have a working session? | 19:36 |
| peluse | fri | 19:36 |
| notmyname | anyone want to argue for a working session? | 19:36 |
| torgomatic | not I | 19:36 |
| notmyname | ok. let's bring it up on friday | 19:37 |
| notmyname | weekly meeting time is already a friday discussion and we havent' seen any hummingbird code so there's nothing to talk about there yet | 19:37 |
| notmyname | that's the end of the overflow list. thanks | 19:37 |
| notmyname | now... | 19:37 |
| ho | sorry. I would like to put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149930/ on a friday discussion. | 19:38 |
| notmyname | ho: ok. add it to the etherpad and mention it for a friday session there | 19:38 |
| notmyname | of the ones I had higher in the working sessions | 19:38 |
| notmyname | large contaienrs | 19:38 |
| ho | notmyname: thanks! | 19:38 |
| notmyname | ec follow-on work | 19:38 |
| notmyname | tiering | 19:38 |
| notmyname | change policies | 19:39 |
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| notmyname | encryption | 19:39 |
| notmyname | increase part_power | 19:39 |
| notmyname | docs | 19:39 |
| notmyname | are there any there that should be dropped in favor of another? | 19:39 |
| mattoliverau | So as it stands we have 7 working (what your going through now), plus swiftclient, symlink and messaging making 10. | 19:39 |
| dmorita | mattoliverau: sounds good | 19:40 |
| kota_ | sounds good | 19:40 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah. i want to make sure the 7 I had aren't taking the place of one that we should have | 19:40 |
| notmyname | specifically, the one I'm thinking of is the tiering one | 19:40 |
| mattoliverau | i agree its good to go through and make sure :) | 19:40 |
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| mattoliverau | tiering could be replaced with fast post | 19:41 |
| peluse | yeah but fast post isn't very controversial | 19:42 |
| notmyname | on the other hand, tiering is one of those things that I hear a lot from customers | 19:42 |
| notmyname | yeah. fast post is like "yes, ok just do it" | 19:42 |
| mattoliverau | however 40 minutes of torgomatic rage would be awesome :P | 19:42 |
| notmyname | lol | 19:42 |
| mattoliverau | lets leave it then | 19:42 |
| * peluse thinks he'll just say 'this is stupid' and leave after 5 minutes :) | 19:42 | |
| notmyname | just withhold coffee that mornign for extra torgomatic smash! | 19:42 |
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| mattoliverau | lol, awesome t-shrit idea | 19:43 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic SMASH! | 19:43 |
| kota_ | lol | 19:43 |
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| torgomatic | swift is many things, but it is not many more | 19:44 |
| notmyname | ok, unless I hear differently soon (ping me in IRC) I'll keep it pretty much the way it is and how mattoliverau said it above | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | and I'll start scheduling those later this week | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | thanks for helping me go through them. I'm looking forward to it | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:44 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up in the meeting this week? | 19:45 |
| dmorita | one question about summit. | 19:45 |
| torgomatic | I want to drop py2.6 support in Swift after the Kilo release | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | dmorita: you first | 19:45 |
| dmorita | general quesion. do you know what equipments are prepared in the room of design summit? | 19:45 |
| notmyname | dmorita: generally we'll have a projector and a table and microphones (if the fishbowls are like the previous ones) | 19:46 |
| notmyname | but that's a good question | 19:46 |
| dmorita | ok. no change from previous summits. thanks. | 19:46 |
| notmyname | AFAIK | 19:46 |
| notmyname | I'll check with ttx to see if there is anything changed | 19:46 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: your turn | 19:46 |
| torgomatic | basically, any objections to dropping 2.6 support after Kilo? | 19:47 |
| torgomatic | 2.6 is dead, dead, dead | 19:47 |
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| torgomatic | python core team won't touch it | 19:47 |
| notmyname | lucid expires tomorrow IIRC. it had py26 | 19:47 |
| notmyname | what about centos/RH? | 19:47 |
| torgomatic | I'm not sure | 19:47 |
| notmyname | where's the red hat people? | 19:47 |
| torgomatic | I think the latest one (6?) has 2.7 available, though it's not the default | 19:47 |
| notmyname | does anyone here run on py26? | 19:48 |
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| notmyname | I think it's perfectly reasonable to drop py26 at this point. all of the major distros have py27 or don't even ship py26 anymore | 19:48 |
| notmyname | I think we can assume that all new deployers will have py27 | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | this is something that definitely needs to be asked of the operators | 19:49 |
| torgomatic | plus, writing code for 2.7 + 3.4 is annoying but reasonable | 19:49 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: rather than waiting for the summit, can you send an email to the operators mailing list about this? | 19:49 |
| torgomatic | (or 3.X) | 19:49 |
| mattoliverau | shall we bring it up at the ops session? | 19:49 |
| cschwede | rhel6 uses py2.6 by default | 19:49 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ah thanks | 19:49 |
| torgomatic | 2.6, 2.7, and 3.X together is awful | 19:50 |
| notmyname | cschwede: and I'm guessing it has support until about 2056? | 19:50 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 19:50 |
| cschwede | notmyname: close | 19:50 |
| torgomatic | and now that eventlet supports py3, it's probably getting towards time to get Swift working over there at some point | 19:50 |
| cschwede | ;) | 19:50 |
| cschwede | i’ll check that, get back to you later | 19:50 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 19:50 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: can you send that email? | 19:50 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: I'm not on the -operators list | 19:51 |
| * torgomatic already gets too much email | 19:51 | |
| notmyname | that's not hard to change ;-) | 19:51 |
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| notmyname | ok ok. I'll do it | 19:51 |
| torgomatic | thanks | 19:51 |
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| mattoliverau | that's called deligating up :P | 19:51 |
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| torgomatic | :D | 19:52 |
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| notmyname | ok, anything else to bring up this week? | 19:52 |
| * torgomatic has nothing | 19:52 | |
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| notmyname | thank you for coming today, and thanks for working on swift! | 19:53 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 29 19:53:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-29-19.00.html | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-29-19.00.txt | 19:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-04-29-19.00.log.html | 19:53 |
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| barrett | Hi, who's here for the product work group meeting? | 23:01 |
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| rolandchan | I am | 23:01 |
| barrett | Hi Roland | 23:02 |
| rolandchan | Hiya | 23:02 |
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| barrett | let's get going, I think others will join in a short bit | 23:03 |
| barrett | #startmeeting product work group | 23:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 29 23:03:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:03 |
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| barrett | #topic A Glimpse at the Roadmap session content | 23:04 |
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| barrett | Here's a link to the slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sbTSRX14_rDLnX8HAerNi3J2Oo9GpbH8I9OxBZIWasA/edit#slide=id.p | 23:05 |
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| barrett | are there any comments or discussions on the content? | 23:05 |
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| rolandchan | Not from me | 23:06 |
| barrett | When I read the mission on slide 3, and on the wiki page, the thing that seems missing to me is the mission to create a roadmap that aligns our community | 23:07 |
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| sgordon | sorry, was running late | 23:07 |
| barrett | NP, just getting started | 23:07 |
| sgordon | (literally) | 23:07 |
| barrett | have you had a chance to look at the slides for the 1st vancouver session? | 23:08 |
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| sgordon | yeah | 23:09 |
| sgordon | so slide 14 | 23:09 |
| sgordon | nova | 23:09 |
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| barrett | The nova content needs to be integrated in. The summary is in the socialization etherpad | 23:09 |
| sgordon | i feel like in some ways that was the most honest answer given | 23:09 |
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| barrett | LOL | 23:09 |
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| sgordon | in that michael didn't attempt to gaze into the crystal ball for liberty/m | 23:10 |
| sgordon | wondering if we want to call that tension out | 23:10 |
| sgordon | (the one he cites) | 23:10 |
| sgordon | i guess we kind of do on 18 | 23:10 |
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| sgordon | will depend on speaker emphasis | 23:10 |
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| barrett | Michael did provide some views when he talked to MikeC. | 23:12 |
| barrett | You can find the info here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-product-management-socialization | 23:12 |
| barrett | starts at line 633 | 23:12 |
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| sgordon | yeah i know | 23:12 |
| barrett | high level and directional | 23:12 |
| sgordon | that is what i am referring to | 23:12 |
| barrett | gotcha | 23:12 |
| barrett | Is the tension you're referring to the challenge in projecting beyond the current release? Or the tension between new features vs bug fix? | 23:13 |
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| sgordon | the former | 23:13 |
| sgordon | though the latter is fun too | 23:13 |
| Shamail | Hi all. | 23:13 |
| barrett | Hi | 23:13 |
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| barrett | I think the tension is really the problem statement that this group is trying to address. | 23:14 |
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| barrett | Shamail - Any comments on the slides for the Monday session? | 23:14 |
| Shamail | Is anyone else on who can give an update on this session or should I? | 23:14 |
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| Shamail | Mscohen is driving it but I can provide an update since he can't make t. | 23:15 |
| Shamail | It* | 23:15 |
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| barrett | go ahead Shamail | 23:15 |
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| Shamail | The team made great progress last week, I volunteered to do cosmetic enhancements once we nail down the content. We will be meeting again next week to lock down the draft. | 23:15 |
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| barrett | Thanks - how do you want people to give comments? | 23:16 |
| Shamail | Our thought right now is to spend time on the group charter, what we've accomplished so far, and how the initiative will work with the community | 23:16 |
| barrett | Comments on slides or notes or email or ? | 23:16 |
| Shamail | We are not planning to spend too much time on the actual feedback from the PTLs since the content is self-explanatory and will be published. | 23:17 |
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| Shamail | The best way is to review the slide deck and make comments through the comment function or in slide notes. Please identify yourself so that we know who to contact for more details. | 23:17 |
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| Shamail | The content is hosted on Google. I will be glad to resend a link later tonight. | 23:17 |
| barrett | I posted in earlier in this session | 23:18 |
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| Shamail | All in all, most slides are complete from a content perspective so a review by the team will be greatly appreciated before our next meeting. | 23:18 |
| Shamail | Thanks barrett | 23:19 |
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| barrett | Anything else on this? | 23:19 |
| Shamail | Last I checked, the session had 100+ people registered. | 23:19 |
| Shamail | That's it. | 23:19 |
| barrett | Great! | 23:20 |
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| barrett | Let's move to the next topic | 23:20 |
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| Shamail | Hi Rockyg | 23:21 |
| Rockyg | o/ sorry I'm late. mail -in tax audit prep grrr! | 23:21 |
| barrett | #topic 2nd Session at the Summit | 23:21 |
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| barrett | Hi Rocky | 23:21 |
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| Shamail | Ouch. | 23:21 |
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| barrett | Shamail - do you want to give an update on the Tuesday session at the Summit? | 23:22 |
| Shamail | I want to apologize for the late notice on the second session. I had forgotten about it until earlier this week. | 23:22 |
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| Shamail | Sure. The current presenters are Sean R., Allison R., Stefano M., and Rob H. | 23:22 |
| Rockyg | Title? | 23:23 |
| Shamail | We had originally proposed to sessions to divide education about the group and to share our findings this far | 23:23 |
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| Shamail | State of Product Management | 23:23 |
| Rockyg | thanks | 23:23 |
| barrett | I'm not sure those folks have the best info | 23:23 |
| Shamail | The first session actually touches on both of these topics so I wanted to discuss if we could re-purpose the second session and validate presenters. | 23:23 |
| barrett | +1 | 23:24 |
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| Rockyg | +1 | 23:24 |
| sarob_ | Hello my friends | 23:24 |
| Shamail | I hope everyone had a chance to review the email. I would like to discuss the options, identify presenters, and start working on this asap. | 23:24 |
| Shamail | Hi sarob_ , perfect timing | 23:24 |
| barrett | Hi sarob | 23:24 |
| sarob_ | ;) | 23:24 |
| Shamail | We are just starting the discussion on the second session | 23:24 |
| sarob_ | Excellent | 23:25 |
| barrett | The more I've thought about it, the more I like option 3 | 23:25 |
| sarob_ | Barrett by | 23:25 |
| sarob_ | Hi | 23:25 |
| Shamail | From the ML, it seems like option #3 is preferred. | 23:25 |
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| sarob_ | We have the Monday sessions | 23:25 |
| Shamail | I stated my opinion as well. I like both option 2 & 3 but our selection will achieve different objectives. | 23:25 |
| sarob_ | I'm hoping that we learn more about | 23:26 |
| sarob_ | What the rest of the community wants Monday | 23:26 |
| Shamail | +1 | 23:26 |
| Rockyg | hi, sarob ;-) | 23:26 |
| sarob_ | Apply that to the second meet | 23:26 |
| barrett | +1 | 23:26 |
| sarob_ | Rockyg hi | 23:26 |
| Shamail | That would mean an intense planning session on Monday evening. :) | 23:26 |
| Shamail | but I like that. | 23:27 |
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| sarob_ | That how I roll | 23:27 |
| Shamail | I would also like us to touch base with cross project rather soon. | 23:27 |
| sarob_ | How about next week | 23:27 |
| barrett | +1 | 23:27 |
| Shamail | If we work with them on the session then that could account for 50-80% of the content | 23:27 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 23:27 |
| Shamail | And we amend it with community feedback | 23:27 |
| sarob_ | With some email prep with them this week | 23:27 |
| Shamail | ++ | 23:27 |
| sarob_ | Cool | 23:28 |
| Shamail | Anyone else have preference on the options or alternate suggestions? | 23:28 |
| sarob_ | Any amendments to the workflow as in the gdoc? | 23:28 |
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| Shamail | Not yet but I think we should share that with the xproj team. | 23:28 |
| Shamail | They might have ideas too | 23:29 |
| sarob_ | I'm pretty sure xproject is going want nuts | 23:29 |
| sarob_ | And bolts | 23:29 |
| barrett | I made edits to the work flow | 23:29 |
| sarob_ | Who what where when | 23:29 |
| Shamail | Ah, so should we schedule a meeting later this week to review the flow? | 23:29 |
| barrett | Is this the Doc you were referring to sarob? https://docs.google.com/document/d/13JPDDiBGGXf5dtP0u8C-1So2Mjb3yEmGhv_ijVqyEf0/edit#heading=h.gj9mj9q4cejx | 23:29 |
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| sarob_ | Yup | 23:29 |
| barrett | I think it would be good to have a call to walk through it - might be other ways we can simplify it. | 23:30 |
| Shamail | I agree sarob, we should have more details. | 23:30 |
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| sarob_ | The bit that we should | 23:30 |
| sarob_ | Figure out | 23:30 |
| Shamail | I'll schedule something. Any preferences or should I use doodle? | 23:31 |
| sarob_ | Laurensell wants to publish | 23:31 |
| sarob_ | The next release | 23:31 |
| sarob_ | Roadmap | 23:31 |
| sarob_ | With the multi release | 23:31 |
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| Shamail | Definitely want a review before publish. | 23:31 |
| Shamail | And buy-in | 23:31 |
| sarob_ | So we should have either a way to integrate | 23:31 |
| sarob_ | Quickly | 23:31 |
| barrett | Is there something ready for publication? | 23:32 |
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| sarob_ | Or the multi relase | 23:32 |
| Rockyg | Definitely want a summit session with input from the xprojects before publish | 23:32 |
| barrett | +1 | 23:32 |
| sarob_ | Needs to be ready mostly before | 23:32 |
| sarob_ | The summit | 23:32 |
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| Shamail | Can someone put an action for me to schedule review call? | 23:32 |
| Shamail | Bad memory :( | 23:32 |
| barrett | At the last board meeting I thought there was agreement on Tokyo being the target for publishing a multi release roadmap | 23:32 |
| barrett | #action Shamail to schedule call to review work flow | 23:33 |
| Shamail | Thanks. | 23:33 |
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| sarob_ | Barrett yup | 23:33 |
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| Shamail | Is Lauren going to join our summit meet up? | 23:33 |
| sarob_ | Starting with m summit let | 23:33 |
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| barrett | sarob: What would Lauren want to publish at Vancouver? | 23:33 |
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| sarob_ | Multi release and m release get together | 23:34 |
| sarob_ | Barrett. I meant about workflow timing | 23:34 |
| sarob_ | Not this summit | 23:34 |
| sarob_ | Sorry that | 23:34 |
| sarob_ | Wasn't clear | 23:34 |
| barrett | gotcha | 23:34 |
| Shamail | Ah; that clarifies it. | 23:34 |
| barrett | That seems doable | 23:35 |
| sarob_ | Xproject is going to very | 23:35 |
| sarob_ | Focused on | 23:35 |
| sarob_ | How we | 23:35 |
| sarob_ | Make things | 23:35 |
| sarob_ | Eazier | 23:35 |
| Shamail | I agree that we should have that pretty much close to nailed before the summit. | 23:35 |
| sarob_ | Not worse like in summit lead up | 23:35 |
| Shamail | How we make things easier + help execute. | 23:36 |
| sarob_ | Shamail cool | 23:36 |
| barrett | I think we have a good story to tell, but it will only work if we can collaborate with the PTLs | 23:36 |
| sarob_ | Barrett right | 23:36 |
| Shamail | Agreed barrett | 23:36 |
| sarob_ | Some will be our devs | 23:36 |
| sarob_ | And others will be collaborators | 23:37 |
| sarob_ | So balance will be important too | 23:37 |
| Shamail | Has anyone run this process by their internal teams yet? | 23:37 |
| barrett | Can we use the call Shamail is setting up to walk through the flow and prep for cross-project meeting? | 23:37 |
| Shamail | I'd be curious to hear feedback (organizational perspective) | 23:37 |
| sarob_ | I started to with EMC folks | 23:37 |
| sarob_ | Member? | 23:37 |
| Shamail | I remember :) | 23:37 |
| sarob_ | I'm going to adopt it for Akanda | 23:38 |
| Shamail | But I'd like to run it by our actual contributors too not mgmt. | 23:38 |
| sarob_ | Sure | 23:38 |
| sarob_ | Both will be important | 23:38 |
| sarob_ | Ptl and devs | 23:38 |
| Shamail | I'm going to continue the work you had started at EMC | 23:38 |
| sarob_ | First | 23:38 |
| sarob_ | Sweet | 23:38 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 | 23:38 |
| sarob_ | Carry my torch | 23:39 |
| Rockyg | ouch! ouch! ouch! Dang thing gets hot! | 23:39 |
| barrett | I'm meeting with Intel PTLs and devs this week | 23:39 |
| sarob_ | Ugh | 23:39 |
| Shamail | Lol | 23:39 |
| sarob_ | Nice | 23:39 |
| Shamail | I'm meeting with my team a week before the summit. | 23:39 |
| sarob_ | I think if the devs | 23:39 |
| sarob_ | Dig it | 23:39 |
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| Rockyg | Huawei devs and core don't talk to me. | 23:39 |
| sarob_ | Then the product and Dev mgmt will follow | 23:40 |
| Shamail | Rockyg: 😕 | 23:40 |
| Shamail | sarob_: +1 | 23:40 |
| sarob_ | Rockyg I'll talk to you ;) | 23:40 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. I had to get the report on the China bugfest from Intel. | 23:40 |
| Shamail | I'll try to find one hour. That should be enough to get a good start right? | 23:40 |
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| Rockyg | sarob: thanks you! I promise not to be too needy | 23:40 |
| Rockyg | Hous is a good start | 23:41 |
| Rockyg | hour | 23:41 |
| Shamail | Perfect | 23:41 |
| sarob_ | Rockyg keep plugging | 23:41 |
| Shamail | Shall we move on? | 23:41 |
| sarob_ | Away | 23:41 |
| sarob_ | I'm good | 23:41 |
| Shamail | Lock in option #3 for second session? | 23:41 |
| Rockyg | Oh, I am. With contributors ;-) | 23:41 |
| Shamail | Presenters? | 23:41 |
| barrett | Yes | 23:41 |
| sarob_ | +1 | 23:41 |
| barrett | #agreed Option #3 from ML thread, for Session #2 at Summit | 23:42 |
| Rockyg | So, we should have at least one PTL as presenter | 23:42 |
| Shamail | I'd like to have people from both Product and Xproj on stage. | 23:42 |
| sarob_ | I like | 23:42 |
| barrett | +1 | 23:42 |
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| * sarob_ like too | 23:42 | |
| Shamail | Let's start an outline and refine workflow. We can identify presenters after discussion with xproj. | 23:43 |
| Shamail | That work? | 23:43 |
| sarob_ | Good plan | 23:43 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 23:43 |
| barrett | + | 23:44 |
| barrett | Ready for next topic? | 23:44 |
| Shamail | Yep | 23:44 |
| barrett | #topic Product WG F2F Plans at Vancouver | 23:45 |
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| barrett | We're set for 2 sessions, both on Monday | 23:46 |
| Shamail | I think sarob_ and you are leading this topic. | 23:46 |
| barrett | The 1st is for a team work session from 2:00 - 3:30 | 23:46 |
| Shamail | Do you have the necessary info to send out the email? | 23:46 |
| barrett | Shamail - Yes, I do | 23:46 |
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| barrett | Will send it out tomorrow | 23:46 |
| Shamail | Awesome. Sorry for the interruption. | 23:47 |
| barrett | np | 23:47 |
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| barrett | We could use some of that session to work through what we heard in the 11:15 session....? | 23:47 |
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| Rockyg | sounds good. | 23:48 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 and also coordinate next steps between Vancouver and Tokyo. | 23:48 |
| barrett | We could probably take on 1 other topic...thoughts? | 23:49 |
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| Rockyg | circle back on all the PM type efforts -- WTE, Log, Telco | 23:50 |
| Shamail | Possibly use case generation from PTL feedback? | 23:50 |
| Shamail | Actually I like Rockyg's idea. We can work on the use-cases outside of the summit. | 23:50 |
| barrett | RockyG: There's a session after this one that will include the other groups | 23:50 |
| sarob_ | Use case | 23:50 |
| barrett | It goes from 3:40 - 4:40 | 23:51 |
| Rockyg | Ah | 23:51 |
| Shamail | 😟 I'm going to miss that one due to a breakout session. | 23:51 |
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| barrett | Shamail: bummer | 23:51 |
| Rockyg | Maybe working through stuck places. How to fill the gaps | 23:51 |
| Rockyg | I'm boging to be toast Monday night | 23:52 |
| Shamail | Will we be at a point where we could try to mock flow something through the process as a team? | 23:52 |
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| barrett | Why don't we include Use Cases and Issues in the planning for tokyo topic | 23:52 |
| Rockyg | boging/going/ | 23:52 |
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| Rockyg | barrett: ++ | 23:52 |
| Shamail | barrett: +1 | 23:53 |
| * sarob_ like | 23:53 | |
| barrett | OK | 23:53 |
| barrett | Then for the xproject session - do we want to talk through the flow and how they can feed use cases and get involved in the group? | 23:54 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 23:54 |
| barrett | Would be interesting if each group came with their top 3-5 use cases and we could look at how much or little synergy there is... | 23:55 |
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| Shamail | I think that will work. That's the best way to show the process and what we are trying to achieve. | 23:55 |
| sarob_ | We should have them submit through gerrit | 23:55 |
| Shamail | It will also let everyone come up with the best way to interface | 23:55 |
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| barrett | Shamail +1 | 23:56 |
| sarob_ | Be loose on formating | 23:56 |
| sarob_ | That way everyone can see them | 23:56 |
| barrett | sarob: I'd actually propose that we give a template. The PTLs have said that consistent format would be helpful | 23:56 |
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| sarob_ | Maybe even post comments | 23:56 |
| sarob_ | Agreed | 23:57 |
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| Shamail | Agreed | 23:57 |
| sarob_ | But not be too picky | 23:57 |
| sarob_ | First go around | 23:57 |
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| Shamail | Gerrit is the right way and being loose on the format is okay. | 23:57 |
| sarob_ | Get ideas out there | 23:57 |
| barrett | Use the one the Telco work group is using? The WTE folks have started using this too | 23:57 |
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| sarob_ | First | 23:57 |
| Shamail | We do want to at least identify the type of information that should be included | 23:57 |
| sarob_ | Where is it? | 23:57 |
| Shamail | Can't make things happen with incomplete data | 23:57 |
| sarob_ | Yes | 23:57 |
| sarob_ | Just not tox test on it yet | 23:58 |
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| barrett | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mO6fjmvDRvppoRqDSfWdDW2p3G9ESKSgI9cxRP4mvB4/edit | 23:58 |
| Shamail | You're no fun! JK | 23:58 |
| barrett | What repo should we ask people to post to? | 23:58 |
| Shamail | I would ideally like to leverage cross project but will they be able to give some of us core? | 23:59 |
| sarob_ | Xproject | 23:59 |
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| sarob_ | Up to them | 23:59 |
| sarob_ | not required | 23:59 |
| Shamail | Makes sense. | 23:59 |
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