Wednesday, 2015-09-02

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loquacitiessorry, running late for the apac docs meeting00:43
loquacitiesi'll kick it off in 5 minutes00:44
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loquacities#startmeeting docteam00:47
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  2 00:47:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:47
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.00:47
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)"00:47
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'00:47
loquacitieshi everyone, sorry for the delay getting started00:47
loquacitieswho's here?00:47
darrenchi!00:47
loquacitiesadahms: ping00:47
loquacitieshi darrenc00:48
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loquacities*crickets*00:50
asettleyo00:50
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bmossdid I miss rolecall?00:50
loquacitiesheya asettle00:50
asettleo/00:51
loquacitiesjust opened the meeting00:51
loquacitieswaiting for quorum00:51
bmoss*roll call even.00:51
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quorumI'm here00:51
darrenclol00:51
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loquacitieslol00:51
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bmossthank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.00:51
loquacitiesno red hatters00:52
* JRobinson__ is here 00:53
JRobinson__sorry had the irc window behind another window00:53
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loquacitiesi'll give them another few minutes to reply to the ping, then call it quits00:53
bmossloquacities, did you ping them directly?00:53
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bmossoh, I see that you did.00:53
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loquacitiesi did00:54
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loquacitiesany other takers?00:55
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loquacitiesok, i'm calling it ... no quorum00:56
loquacities#endmeeting00:56
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"00:56
openstackMeeting ended Wed Sep  2 00:56:36 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)00:56
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-02-00.47.html00:56
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-02-00.47.txt00:56
loquacitiesthanks anyway, everyone00:56
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-02-00.47.log.html00:56
asettleo/00:56
bmosslater gators00:57
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asalkeldheat meeting?07:00
pas-hao/07:01
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pas-ha#startmeeting heat07:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  2 07:01:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pas-ha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'07:01
pas-ha#topic rollcall07:01
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tiantiano/07:01
sirushtio/07:02
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asalkeld#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-09-02_0700_UTC.2907:02
xeko/07:02
asalkeldo/07:02
pas-ha#topic adding items to agenda07:02
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asalkeldconvergence-status?07:03
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pas-haasalkeld, added07:03
skraynevo/07:04
pas-halet's start then07:05
pas-ha#topic heat reviews07:05
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pas-ha#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews07:05
pas-haI think we should now focus on l3 and put a link there07:06
asalkeld#link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-307:06
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asalkeldplenty there to review ^07:06
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skraynevlooks, like we have several bug fixes, which need review07:07
asalkeld~1107:07
pas-hawhat's up with RG/ASG refactoring?07:07
pas-hazaneb is most probably sleeping07:08
asalkeldrc1?07:08
skraynevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1488921 - looks like it was merged...07:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1488921 in heat "SoftwareDeploymentGroup doesn't support path based attributes" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy)07:08
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skraynevshardy: ^ is it fixed?07:08
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rakesh_hs_asalkeld: convergence almost all patches have landed, but gate tests are failing recently07:08
pas-halooks like we already on topic..07:09
pas-ha#topic prep for l3 release07:09
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pas-haI advise people to concentrate on those L3 bugs next 2-3 days07:09
xekhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/190183/ - I didn't submit a bug about object not being initialized, should I?07:09
ricolino/07:09
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ramishrahi07:10
pas-haxek, sure, please submit a bug and describe what's exaclty the problem and how it can manifest itself07:10
asalkeldrakesh_hs_: yeah07:10
xekpas-ha, ok07:11
asalkeldso we are shooting for a friday release07:11
asalkeldso not much time to get stuff in07:11
skraynevasalkeld: btw, convergence job failing due to timeout ?07:12
skraynev(again)07:12
asalkeldskraynev: yeah, it might be back to the fast update07:12
asalkeldor something else07:13
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asalkeldhttp://logs.openstack.org/89/215489/7/check/gate-heat-dsvm-functional-convg-mysql/e27a365/console.html07:13
pas-haalso, today I saw at least 2 failures due to fedora-heat-test-image not being available on the gate07:13
asalkeldpas-ha: i had a patch for that07:13
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asalkeldhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/219533/07:13
pas-haok, thanks, will check07:13
asalkeldnew default cli options to glance07:13
pas-haah, it's the glance client... AFAIK it broke not only us :(07:14
asalkeld*might* have to rebase some patches07:14
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asalkeldgate is *really* slow07:14
asalkeldeveryone trying to get stuff in07:14
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skraynevasalkeld: yeah :) it's the hottest time for coding :)07:15
asalkeldbe kind to the gate07:15
asalkeld(no unneeded patches/rechecks)07:15
pas-ha#topic convergence status07:16
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asalkeldso i have made some bugs07:16
pas-harakesh_hs_, anything to add?07:16
* asalkeld getting links07:16
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asalkeld#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=convergence-bugs07:17
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asalkeldso take the bugs if you are interested07:17
asalkeldso i think the state of convergence is mostly good, but will need some testing/bug fixing (as expected)07:18
pas-harakesh_hs_, re *almost all* patches, could you revisit and repopulate the review hot list on etherpad with those specific which still have to land?07:18
rakesh_hs_pas-ha: ishant is implementing the comments for scenario tests, he will pushing a patch soon07:19
rakesh_hs_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203661/07:19
rakesh_hs_I will add to the list07:19
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pas-harakesh_hs_, thanks07:19
stevebakerhai everybody!07:20
skraynevstevebaker: hi07:20
pas-hastevebaker, hi, we are almost out of topics already :)07:20
stevebakersorry I'm late, household carnage07:20
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pas-hastevebaker, anything you wanted to put a focus on?07:21
ricolinhihi07:21
stevebakerpas-ha: FFE blueprints07:21
asalkeldalso if i may make a request, can you only put you name on a bug if you are actually working on it?07:21
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pas-hastevebaker, do we have any?07:22
stevebakerasalkeld: +107:22
pas-haasalkeld, +107:22
pas-hastevebaker, from l3 LP chart looks like everything is implemented07:22
ricolin+107:22
asalkeldstevebaker: these? https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-rc107:22
asalkeldi thought any bp in rc1 was a FFE07:23
stevebakerdeciding what BPs get a feature freeze exception is entirely up to us (officially me). Anything I've put in rc1 I think deserves to have an FFE, but I'm open to suggestions on things to remove or add.07:23
pas-hawow, this list is much longer than l3 :(07:23
asalkeldpas-ha: just the blueprints07:24
asalkeld4 of them07:24
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pas-haskraynev, what's the status with rich network prop?07:24
stevebakerpas-ha: we're talking blueprints only here. we're still allowed to fix bugs in rc1 but every change needs to get backport to the stable/liberty branch which will be a pita. so any bug commit which we land in the next 24 hours will save busywork07:24
pas-hastevebaker, sure. so again, when do you plan to cut the stable? Thu, Fri?07:25
asalkeldso normally only High+ bugs go in07:25
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stevebakerpas-ha: euro-thursday. I'll be on leave so asalkeld will make the call07:25
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shardyo/07:26
pas-haok, 24 hours indeed07:26
pas-hashardy, ho07:26
stevebakeryeah07:26
stevebakershardy: hey07:26
shardymorning all, sorry, running late today!07:26
skraynevpas-ha: need to add unittests for patches on review and also I think, that the most important thingm which was no done yet (we are working on it) - processing internal port during replace and rollback07:26
ricolinhi07:26
stevebakershardy: about as late as me07:26
pas-haskraynev, yeah, that might be complex07:26
shardystevebaker: heh, it's the public holiday we just had actually, I thought it was Tuesday! ;)07:27
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pas-hashardy, I was under impression you are working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/nested-validation, no?07:27
stevebakerskraynev: do you have a plan for when a port has a fixed IP and the server is replaced? (2 ports with the same IP is not allowed)07:27
skraynevpas-ha: not sure, that very complex, plan to upload patch with PoC today07:27
shardypas-ha: I was running out of time so jdob has offered to help with it07:27
asalkeldshardy: is working on *everything*07:27
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shardypas-ha: it's not clear if it will actually make it, but he's posted some initial code07:27
pas-haI was just curious on assignees of BPs/bugs07:28
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shardypas-ha: Yeah, that's my only BP/spec that actually landed IIRC, but I have lots of bugs, welcome to take some if you have bandwidth :)07:28
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stevebakershardy: I've put nested-validation in rc1, so I'm proposing it has an FFE https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-rc107:28
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pas-hastevebaker, +107:28
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shardystevebaker: Ok, looking at the code... I'm not sure, but lets do that and see how it shapes up over the next couple of days07:29
asalkeldwhen is rc1?07:29
skraynevstevebaker: yes, it's should be covered in the same way, like a case above (with replace), i.e. detach port and remove fixed ip, and after update add fixed_ip and attach port07:29
stevebakershardy: yeah, its the only one which is a bit of a long shot07:29
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stevebakerskraynev: ok'07:30
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stevebakerasalkeld: earlish octoberish? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule07:30
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asalkeldO, that's heaps of time07:31
shardystevebaker: ah, I assumed we only had a couple of weeks max :)07:31
stevebakerfirst rc could be sept 2507:32
stevebakerfirst rc could be sept 2107:32
skraynevshardy: let's think, that we have a couple weeks :) it makes coding faster ;)07:32
stevebakerwhich is the same week as........07:32
stevebakerPTL ELECTIONS07:32
shardyskraynev: haha ;)07:32
stevebakerwho wants to be heat ptl07:32
stevebaker?07:32
asalkeldwe need some new victim07:32
stevebakerpas-ha: gosh, you are so good at running these meetings :)07:32
skraynevstevebaker: I may try :)07:32
stevebakeroh, that reminds me07:33
* pas-ha blushes07:33
skraynevor pas-ha ;)07:33
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asalkeldprobably need thinking about summit sessions at some point too07:33
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pas-haasalkeld, +107:33
stevebakerwe need to request how many slots we need at summit07:33
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shardyI'm willing to run again if nobody else is keen, happy to defer if other folks are willing :)07:34
stevebakerhere was the allocation in Vancouver (Fishbowl/Work07:34
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stevebakerrooms/Meetup):07:34
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stevebakerHeat 5, 10, 107:34
pas-haafaik the venue in Tokyo would be tighter07:34
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asalkeldstevebaker: i think we need an ops/user meeting (fishbowl) which we didn't have last time07:34
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stevebakeryes, and fishbowl/workroom ratio is about 2/107:35
skraynevasalkeld: +107:35
asalkeld(unless i just missed it)07:35
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ricolinasalkeld: +107:35
asalkeld6/8/1 ?07:35
stevebakerasalkeld: I thought we did. It may have been more user experience07:35
pas-hastevebaker, last day in VAncouver?07:35
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asalkeldless convergence to talk about, i wonder what we will talk about :-O07:36
stevebakerI was thinking that if we got exactly the same as last time (or a proportional amount thereof)07:36
stevebakerasalkeld: convergence pt 207:36
asalkeldmaybe07:36
stevebakerso 5/10/107:36
asalkeldstevebaker: sounds fine07:36
stevebakeror 4/8/107:36
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pas-hafirst variant sounds better :) but we must collect ideas on topics first07:37
skraynevasalkeld: I'd like to discuss some scale issues, which are actual for Tripleo and Sahara07:37
asalkeldshoot for more, and let them beat us down if needed07:37
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pas-haasalkeld, alwasy ask for twice you need :P07:37
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stevebakerpas-ha: I think the nature of this process means we get the space first, then fill it. Especially since it will be a new PTL deciding on the sessions07:38
pas-hastevebaker, sounds reasonable07:38
pas-haits not like we won't have anything to fill up extra slots we might get :)07:39
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stevebakerok, I'll ask for 5/10/1 again.07:39
asalkeld+107:39
skraynev+107:39
pas-ha+107:39
ricolin+107:39
pas-ha#agreed stevebaker asks 5/10/1 slots for M summit07:39
stevebakerI'm pretty sure that is all I had07:39
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stevebakerreview all the things! https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-307:40
pas-ha#topic open discussion07:40
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pas-haanyone has his pain point to discuss?07:40
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stevebakeror hers07:41
pas-haending early?07:41
skraynevneed more review for batching for RG on create07:41
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xekpas-ha, I submitted a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1491258 , also linked to it from my patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190183/07:42
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491258 in heat "versioned objects not registered" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Grzegorz Grasza (xek)07:42
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pas-haxek, ok, thanks07:42
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skraynevhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/185385/07:42
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skraynevthis one ^07:42
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stevebakerskraynev: does that clash with zane's series? (which you should all be reviewing)07:43
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pas-hastevebaker, zaneb has some comments to this regard07:43
stevebakerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/213549/07:43
skraynevstevebaker: yes. but Zane was agree to land it (he told, that it may be not totally compatible with his change)07:44
shardyI think it's not impossible to rebase this on zane's series, as has been suggested in the comments07:44
shardyAFAICT most of zaneb's patches are ready to land07:44
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shardyI'm going to finish reviewing them this morning, so can we rebase this patch and then we can land the lot for rc1?07:45
skraynevshardy: ok. we may try to rebase, but anyway more review is appreciated :)07:45
pas-hashardy, sounds like a plan07:45
stevebakerok, btw gate will be broken until this lands https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219533/ so you may need to nurse it in07:45
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shardyskraynev: sure, will do07:45
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stevebakershardy: the more that lands in l3 the better I think07:46
shardystevebaker: sure, how long do we have to merge stuff?07:46
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skraynevone more thing is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199442/ <- get_attr without parameters07:46
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stevebakershardy: about 24 hours, or however long you can convince asalkeld to hold off07:46
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shardystevebaker: haha, Ok, will focus on reviews today then :)07:47
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stevebakerskraynev: ok, I've put that in rc107:48
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skraynevstevebaker: ok. thx07:48
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stevebakershall we wind up?07:50
shardy+107:50
skraynevnothing else from me07:50
pas-haanything else? anyone?07:50
pas-hathree...07:50
pas-hatwo...07:50
ricolin: -)07:50
skraynevsold07:50
pas-haone..07:51
stevebaker2.507:51
stevebakeroh, 1.507:51
pas-hathanks everyone :)07:51
skraynev:)07:51
pas-ha#endmeeting07:51
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rajinirhi16:01
geguileoNo meeting today?16:02
jgriffithgeguileo: :)16:02
jgriffithyou wish :)16:02
jgriffithor I wish :)16:02
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jgriffithOk, let's get on it16:02
scottdahi16:02
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tbarronhi again16:02
geguileoHi all16:02
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jungleboyjhowdy!16:02
jgriffith#topic L3 lessons learned16:02
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simondodsleyhi16:03
jgriffithI'll try and be quick here16:03
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jgriffithFirst, nice job everyone on working through crunch time16:03
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jgriffithCouple of things that I always point out, that I want to point out again and try and clarify some things16:03
jgriffithFirst, process is great; but it's not full-proof16:03
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jgriffithanybody that's been around for a release should realize that the last week and deadine days are VERY busy16:04
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jgriffiththe gate slows down, and sometimes breaks (as it did for us on Monday)16:04
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jgriffithThe point being, I don't care if you do all the right things, it's no guarantee that your code will land16:04
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jgriffithso, lesson learned; submit EARLY16:04
hemnajgriffith, +116:05
jgriffithand if your patch is stalled let people know16:05
e0negreat point! we need to document it somewhere16:05
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jgriffithanother thing I'd like to point out....16:05
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jgriffithwe have these etherpads and priority lists that people work off of16:05
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jgriffiththey're causing more harm than good i think16:06
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jgriffiththe fact is, we have launchpad, and things are targeted and prioritized16:06
jgriffiththat should be the source of truth, and I'd ask that people reference that going forward16:06
jgriffiththat ALSO means, update your items there16:06
xyang1jgriffith: we had some success with etherpad in the past16:06
jgriffithif gerrit doesn't pick up your changes, update them, or let me know so I can update them16:06
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jgriffithxyang1: I think etherpads are broken and have led to part of the problem16:07
xyang1jgriffith: ok16:07
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jgriffithxyang1: but regardless, it doesn't matter now; I'll bring this up at the summit16:07
jgriffithwith alll of that...16:07
jgriffithlet the games begin :)16:07
geguileojgriffith: +116:07
patrickeastfrom what i've seen one feature of the etherpads is that it has the like core reviewer sign up thing, can that be done in launchpad too? or was that not really helpful?16:07
jgriffithpatrickeast: well, the way i see it is it didn't work16:08
jgriffithask tbarron how well it worked out for hime16:08
DuncanTjgriffith: +116:08
hemnawell it can work if the PTL is around to manage the list of items in the etherpad.  if he's out, then it breaks down.16:08
jgriffithask thangp and dulek how it worked out for the verisoned object changes16:08
e0nejgriffith: +116:08
jungleboyjhemna: ++16:08
hemnalaunchpad is ultimately the source of truth16:08
jgriffithhemna: +116:08
jgriffithok.. let's not rat hole on this one16:08
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jungleboyjhemna: That was why I started udpating it.16:08
jgriffith#topic begging crying whining etc16:09
geguileojgriffith: That's a different case (versioned objects)16:09
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xyang1the versionedobjects patches are not on etherpad somehow16:09
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kmartinjgriffith, i think the core sign-up feature may have helped so you don't have 11 cores reviewing the same patch16:09
geguileoYeah, and they are *HUGE*16:09
jgriffithkmartin: bs16:09
jgriffithkmartin: :)16:09
jgriffithkmartin: it doesn't matter16:10
hemnacores should be reviewing patches and we should have core overlap on patches16:10
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DuncanTkmartin: Once it gets two +2s, or a bunch of -1s then people stop reviewing it16:10
jgriffithhemna: +116:10
jgriffithDuncanT: +216:10
e0neDuncanT: +116:10
kmartinWell those 6000 line patch from some vendors take time :)16:10
jgriffithif I open a patch and it has 11 core reviews and is still in the queue we've got bigger problems :)16:10
DuncanTIf anybody knows some magic to get a gerrit dash of things not -1d by a core, that's be useful16:10
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jgriffithkmartin: and they should, and they should get more attention16:10
xyang1kmartin: we don't have them this time around:)16:10
jgriffithkmartin: I don't think we've EVER had a problem of too many people reviewing a patch16:11
jgriffithanyway... let's move on16:11
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jgriffithpatrickeast:16:11
patrickeastyah, so there are two patches for Pure Storage16:11
patrickeasthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/21385516:11
jungleboyjjgriffith: Agreed, lets move on and work this out f2f in Tokyo.16:11
patrickeasthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/214825/16:11
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patrickeastboth fall into the 'driver feature impl for core feature that merged late' category16:12
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DuncanTI'm +1 on merging both of these FWIW, my +2 is on both of them16:12
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patrickeastthe replication one understandably had some legitimate issues/push back, the unmanage/manage snapshot one is IMO relatively harmless16:12
kmartinbut the first one is missing a period :) +1 for merging both16:13
diablo_rojopatrickeast: +116:13
patrickeastboth met all of the original requirements and deadlines (if that actually matters :P)16:13
simondodsley+1 for both too16:13
jgriffithFTR I'm -1 on any of these sorts of merges16:13
asselino/16:13
DuncanTThey both fall under the 'features we need more widely implemented' category16:13
jgriffithbut not a -2 :)16:13
patrickeastjgriffith: thats a start!16:13
jgriffithDuncanT: but having '1' driver implement them is not "widely implemented"16:14
hemnaso I'm on the fence16:14
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hemnado we or don't we have a FF ?16:14
jgriffithIt's also no different than what we ended up with on the old replication and the migration code16:14
simondodsleybut someone has to be first through the door16:14
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jgriffithsimondodsley: ok, then it should be me :)16:14
jungleboyjI don't have a problem merging them.  Patrick put the work in and we would have a reference out there.16:14
hemnalol16:14
jgriffithsimondodsley: or we go together :)16:14
erlono/16:14
DuncanTjgriffith: That's true enough, except there's a reference implementation for manage snap at least16:15
hemnahold hands and both jump off the cliff.16:15
hemnaweee!16:15
simondodsleyjgriffith: are you ready to go16:15
jungleboyjhemna: :-)16:15
jgriffithDuncanT: ahh... yeah, that's a great point16:15
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jgriffithDuncanT: and the manage snaps one actually is "good"16:15
simondodsleyjgriffith: i'll jump on my own or in a crowd - i don't mind16:15
jgriffithSo it sounds like everybody is in favor of both of these16:15
jgriffithso that's cool16:15
DuncanTjgriffith: If nobody else has implemented replication, then that's a reason not to merge that one16:16
jgriffithif they get reviewed and happen to make it before the cut then that's great16:16
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simondodsleyDuncanT: +116:16
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jgriffithsound good?16:16
geguileoDuncanT: +116:16
xyang1jgriffith: maybe you can finish your replication and get merged together with Patrick's?  then we'll have two reference imp16:16
asselinDuncanT, thingee had a dashboard at some point. will see if I can find it16:17
xyang1manage snap one seems fine16:17
jgriffithDuncanT: can you clarify your statement, are you saying "it is" a reason, or that it's "failed logic"?16:17
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DuncanTjgriffith: It is a good reason not to merge - only one implementation is bad16:17
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DuncanTjgriffith: I thought there was another one in, if not then hold off merging IMO16:17
jgriffithDuncanT: thank you for the clarification, and that was kinda my point16:18
jgriffithegallen: simondodsley still agree with DuncanT 's statement?16:18
simondodsleyDuncanT: disagree with the logic. Someone has to be first.16:18
patrickeastDuncanT: saying one implementation is bad kind of defaults the whole reference impl that goes with most features doesn't it? I understand the drawbacks (having discussed this with jgriffith several times)16:18
kmartinholding off will allow us to come up with replicationV3 in Tokyo?16:18
simondodsleyJust because no one else was ready that shouldn't penalize16:18
patrickeasts/defaults/defeats/16:18
jgriffithOk... let's be clear16:19
jgriffithsimondodsley: YOU wouldn't have been ready if someobdy else didn't write the code to begin with16:19
DuncanTpatrickeast: LVM is our reference in general16:19
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jgriffithDuncanT: +116:19
jungleboyjkmartin: NOOOOO!!!!!!!16:19
jgriffithok, so look as I said... if they get reviewed and land... then great16:19
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simondodsleyjgriffiths: and we appreciate all the hard work you put in16:19
jgriffiththey're not blocked16:19
DuncanTpatrickeast: Letting a vendor become the reference is what screwed us on replication the first time16:19
jgriffithlet's move on16:19
patrickeastDuncanT: no no, sorry, i didn't mean that16:20
jgriffithsimondodsley: it doesn't sound like it :)16:20
patrickeastDuncanT: just that typically we do start out with only a single impl... and things are ok16:20
asselin#link cinder review Inbox availabe at the bottom of: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder16:20
jgriffithseriously... issue closed, we should move on :)16:20
patrickeastjgriffith: thanks, sorry to rat-hole16:20
jgriffithpatrickeast: not at all16:20
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jgriffithpatrickeast: and like I said, I don't think it should be blocked16:20
jungleboyjjgriffith: So, the answer is they are out there and if we collectively choose to merge that is fine?16:21
simondodsleyjgriffith: let's let the team decide with reviews16:21
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jgriffithpatrickeast: but I don't think anybody should NOT do something that's on the list16:21
patrickeastsimondodsley: i think thats what the decision is16:21
jgriffithin other words priorities16:21
DuncanTasselin: That doesn't do what I want though16:21
patrickeastjgriffith: yea, totally understand16:21
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jgriffithsomebody form huawei here?16:21
jungleboyjsimondodsley: Thanks for putting it succinctly.  :-)  I suck at succinct.16:21
asselinDuncanT, let's discuss offline to adjust it16:21
DuncanTasselin: Thanks16:22
wilsonI'm from Huawei16:22
wilson:)16:22
jgriffithwilson: hey...16:22
wilsonhi16:22
jgriffithwilson: your hypermoto patch16:22
wilsonyeah16:22
wilsonI just rebased it16:22
jgriffithI have no issue if people review it and it merges16:22
jgriffithit's isolated to your driver16:22
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jgriffithso to be clear to EVERYONE16:23
jgriffithon Monday we were in REALLY bad shape16:23
wilsonthanks jgriffith16:23
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jgriffithbetween the gate and outstanding patches16:23
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jgriffithnone of the mid and high priority changes were being reviewed16:23
jgriffithso jungleboyj and I talked and put a -2 on EVERYTHING that was low pri16:23
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jgriffithso that people would focus on middle and high priority items (which they weren't)16:24
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jgriffithgate resumed operation, mid and high pri items got attention, so now I'm not nearly as concerned about things16:24
jgriffithbut I want to clarify... "things that are isolated"16:24
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jgriffiththe hypermoto patch falls in to that category16:25
wilsonyeah16:25
jgriffithtbarron: given you had some choice comments for me and an ML posting I'm surprised I don't see anything from you on this list?16:25
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tbarronjgriffith: I had no choice comments for *you* or for any individuals16:25
jgriffithtbarron: I think you know what my point is16:26
tbarronjgriffith: if one reads http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073398.html carefully, I point to a16:26
jgriffithtbarron: you have nothign to share here?16:26
tbarronjgriffith: an issue that we could take up in Tokyo16:26
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jgriffithtbarron: ok, last chance.. your patches...  any requests, visibility you want to raise?16:26
tbarronjgriffith: I think some interesting ideas from you and from geguileo are in that thread, also question be dhellman16:26
tbarronreommened reading16:26
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tbarronjgriffith: I am very grateful to the core team for swarming on the patches in the low pri queue once16:27
tbarronthe higher prio stuff got handled16:27
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angela-s jgriffith: so, if we have isolated things that we'd like to get accepted, should we request in cinder channel or here in the meeting?16:27
tbarronjgriffith: I have no quarrel with ;prioritization and don't mean to imply that16:27
jungleboyjtbarron: You are welcome.  :-)16:28
jgriffithangela-s: LOL16:28
tbarronjgriffith: I know some of my squeaky-wheel behavior has been a PITA.16:28
jgriffithangela-s: I'm not opening development back up if that's where you're going :)16:28
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jgriffithangela-s: I'm providing a compromise for people that have had work up for several weeks that didn't make it16:28
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angela-sjgriffith: no, we've had a couple patches that were only pending CI16:28
jgriffithangela-s: well, talk to your peers16:29
angela-sjgriffith: ok16:29
jungleboyjangela-s: Is CI passing now>16:29
jgriffithI'm trusting core members of this team are core members because they have good judgement16:29
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jgriffithbut I'll stress, the items on LP ARE THE PRIORITY!!!16:29
angela-sjungleboyj: yes brocade CI is passing now16:30
jgriffithso now... are there any questions?16:30
kmartinangela-s, was the recheck fixed in the Brocade CI, I think that was the last thing that had thingee concerned16:30
jgriffithBTW... you should all note that gate time is approximately 14 hours right now16:30
xyang1jgriffith: it appears that L-3 items on LP are taken care of now.  I mean they are being reviewed or merged16:30
angela-skmartin: yes,recheck is working and format of failed message is also fixed.16:30
jgriffithso even if you submit something "now" and it gets a +2/A it's not very likely that it's going to land anyway16:31
kmartinjgriffith, that's pretty good, down from 24 on Monday :)16:31
jgriffithxyang1: for the most part16:31
jgriffithkmartin: it's early :)16:31
jgriffithso with that...16:31
xyang1jgriffith: when does everything have to be merged?  Is there a deadline for merging?16:31
jgriffith#topic open discussion16:31
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jgriffith0000 UTC16:32
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jgriffithis Sept 316:32
jungleboyjangela-s: Ping us with the reviews and we can take a look.16:32
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angela-sjungleboyj: ok, will do16:32
jgriffithin OpenStack world16:32
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jgriffithSo I'll say one more thing... thanks to everyone who stepped up this week; and especially quite a few folks from the day shift who were on the night shift with me last night :)16:33
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jungleboyjWe got a great team!16:34
jgriffithThere's a ton of hard work that went on, jungleboyj geguileo xyang1 hemna patrickeast etc16:34
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jgriffithso let's get the release cut and focus on testing it16:34
wilsonI have a question16:34
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jungleboyjjgriffith: Thank you for leading this up in Mike's absence.16:35
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wilsonDoes patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202023/ have chance to be merged in L16:35
wilsonHuawei hypermetro16:35
jgriffithwilson: my opinion is that the -2 should be removed16:35
jungleboyjwilson: That was discussed earlier.16:35
jgriffithwilson: and if it gets reviewed and lands, then cool16:35
jungleboyjjgriffith: Ooops, let me do that.16:35
kmartinjungleboyj, lol16:36
wilsonThat will be great!16:36
xyang1jgriffith: did you see that there is a FFE request on mailing list16:36
wilsonThanks :)16:36
xyang1jgriffith: about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206923/16:36
smcgmobileSorry, I'm missing a lot. Did we extend the deadline?16:36
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jgriffithsmcgmobile: NO16:36
jungleboyjwilson: Done ... Will take a look at it today.16:37
jgriffithsmcgmobile: we just said that we're not actively rejecting things16:37
jgriffithsmcgmobile: and that core reviewers are empowered to use judgement16:37
smcgmobilejgriffith: ok, cool16:37
kmartinjgriffith, python-cinderclient release was on the agenda, but focus should be on the RC cut then the client?16:37
jgriffithsmcgmobile: in reality based on gate time, what's in is in at this point16:37
jgriffithkmartin: Oh... good point!!!16:37
wilsonjungleboyi: thanks!16:37
jgriffithcinderclient is part of the relase16:38
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jgriffithif there are things there that need addressed I suggest folks get on it16:38
jungleboyjxyang1: That one looks more invasive.16:38
xyang1jgriffith: so I added that item.  is there a new deadline for client now?16:38
jgriffithwe have a little more time with that, but it's not as flexible as it used to be16:38
jungleboyjxyang1: Good question.  Don't want to mess that up again.16:38
xyang1jungleboyj: the FFE one?  ya, that is in the common code16:38
jgriffithxyang1: I don't have an exact date/time for you on that16:38
jungleboyjThere is also that one I pinged you about yesterday that is suspicious.16:39
jgriffithbut I would say that we should propose a release next week and barring issues that should be our version for L16:39
xyang1jgriffith: what about the dependency deadline this week?16:39
jgriffithxyang1: so that's slightly different IIRC16:39
xyang1jgriffith: I saw a few clients get released today, not sure if there's a deadline16:39
jgriffithxyang1: that's more geared towards libs16:39
xyang1jgriffith: ok16:39
jgriffithxyang1: yes, I checked with the release team last week, we requested a release and stated there may be one more16:40
xyang1jgriffith: sounds good16:40
jgriffithxyang1: same with brick16:40
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xyang1jgriffith: ok16:40
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jgriffithanything else?16:40
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jungleboyjIf there are any other -2's I should clean up, just ping me.16:41
jgriffithjungleboyj: thanks!16:41
e0nejgriffith: one small anouncement from me16:41
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jungleboyjMy pleasure.16:41
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jgriffithjungleboyj: but to clarify if they're "-2 for freeze" :)16:41
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jungleboyjjgriffith: Right, those that are appropriate candidates to have it removed.16:42
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jungleboyjWasn't an offer for free passes.  :-)16:42
jungleboyje0ne: What's up?16:42
e0newe're going to move forward with API v2 testing in gates and disable v1 in dsvm jobs by default. any objections? I'm wating for tempest patch to be reviewd merged16:43
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jgriffithjungleboyj: LOL16:43
e0nethingee wanted to remove v1 at all, but we're blocked by grenade jobs and openstack client16:43
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jgriffithe0ne: I think it's about damn time16:43
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hemnae0ne, +116:44
hemnaw00t16:44
jgriffithe0ne: I know we're going to find problems, but regardless that whole V1/V2 thing has drug on for WAAAAYYYY too long16:44
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jungleboyje0ne: ++16:44
hemnajgriffith, +1!!16:44
e0nejust wanted to clarify that nobody don't think that it's bad time for such things16:45
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smcgmobilee0ne: works for me.16:46
jungleboyjGotta do it some time.16:46
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jgriffithe0ne: wish it was earlier TBH, but tired of nothing ever being "done"16:47
e0nejgriffith: is was harder than I expect16:48
hemnathis really should have been tried after L216:48
hemnato give us time to fix issues and let cross project teams iron issues out as well.16:48
hemnabut this is what we always say, and it never happens16:48
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jgriffithhemna: agreed16:49
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e0nehemna: +116:49
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kmartine0ne, everyone should be testing and fixing bugs now, so no time like the present16:49
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e0nekmartin, jgriffith: may be we need to anounce bug triadge day after L-3?16:51
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jungleboyje0ne: Not a bad idea.16:51
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jungleboyje0ne: You want to bring that up with thingee when he gets back and see if we can plan something?16:53
jungleboyje0ne: Or put it on the agenda for next week maybe?16:53
kmartine0ne, good idea, maybe wait for the RC to be build. thingee usually has one during the RC. L-3 is over tomorrow16:53
e0nejungleboyj: I'll ask thingee and send mail to openstack-dev ML16:54
jungleboyjkmartin: Has everyone else passed out from exhaustion?16:54
jgriffithok... anything we can't chat about in #penstack-cinder at this point?16:54
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jungleboyjNope.16:54
jgriffithalright, let's wrap it up16:54
jgriffith#endmeeting cinder16:54
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jungleboyjGood meeting.  Thanks!16:54
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xyang1jungleboyj: can you take a look of this one?  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215530/16:56
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notmynamehello, everyone. time for the swift team meeting21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  2 21:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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mattoliverauo/21:00
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kota_hello21:00
wbhuber\o_21:00
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notmynamewelcome!21:00
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notmynameagenda for today is at21:01
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:01
acoleshello21:01
notmynamejust a few things to discuss this week21:01
notmynamefirst up, swift releases21:01
notmyname#topic swift releases21:02
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notmyname#info we released 2.4.0 yesterday21:02
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notmynamegood work everyone!21:02
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notmyname55 code contributors, including 29 new people. that's really cool21:02
notmynamehere's the release email21:02
notmyname#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-September/000575.html21:02
notmynamethis release took longer than normal21:02
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notmynameit was almost 4 months exactly since our last release (2.3.0)21:03
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notmynamethat was due to 2 things, I think21:03
notmynamefirst, the CVE that was closed in this release. I didn't want to have a release between kilo and this one where the bug was open21:03
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notmynamesince kilo has a place to do backports, but a mid-cycle release doesn't. just would have been confusing to people21:04
notmynameand the CVE patch took longer than I expected to work through21:04
notmynamesecond, I think the EC work that was ongoing pushed back the release somewhat. none of us wanted to do a release with so much outstanding EC bugs21:05
notmynamebut here we are anyway ;-)21:05
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claygo/21:05
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notmynameso, i don't think 4 months for a release is particularly bad. just good to see why it was longer21:05
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notmynameanyone else have thoughts on that?21:05
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notmynameok :-)21:06
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notmynameso let's look ahead to the next one21:06
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notmynamewe need to have a release for the Liberty release cycle21:07
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notmynamelooking at the calendar (when the liberty release is) and where we are now and when the expected RC windows are done....21:07
notmynamethat gives us one month21:07
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notmynameso, one month from now -- ie the end of september, give or take a day or two -- will be our next release21:07
notmyname4 weeks from today21:08
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notmyname(ish)21:08
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notmynamedepending on what lands, that will be either 2.4.1 or 2.5.021:08
notmynamebut for now, I'm expecting 2.4.121:08
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notmynamelooking at the in-progress stuff, this is a time to start really focusing and saying no to stuff21:09
zaitcevI think we had something like 1.13.1 for Havana or such, so not unprecendented perhaps. I may be misremembereding.21:09
notmyname(remember the hackathon? what can we get done is priority over the stuff that is longer term)21:09
notmynamezaitcev: right. there's no issue witht he version number21:09
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notmynameI've slightly trimmed the starred patches on the review dashboard21:09
notmynamehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/202657/ looks like a nice improvement and already has 1 +2, so I left it there21:10
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notmynamewould be good to get another reviewer on it asap21:10
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notmynameotherwise, the things that are starred, and the stuff that I want prioritized for the liberty release, are the EC-related patches21:10
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notmynameI'd love to be able to have "all known issues with EC are closed" in the next release notes21:11
mattoliverauI'll take a look this morning at 20265721:11
notmynamemattoliverau: thanks21:11
notmynameany questions or concerns for any of that?21:11
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kota_notmyname: when dependency freezed?21:12
kota_notmyname: for liberty21:12
notmynamekota_: good question. I'm not sure21:12
notmyname#action notmyname to find the liberty dependency freeze date21:12
kota_notmyname: my concern is about bumping PyECLib21:12
notmynameah ok21:12
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notmynameit's not listed on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule21:13
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wbhubernotmyname: not sure about the sec bugs that someone found in PyECLib (i think jerasure packages)... any concerns about those?21:13
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notmynamethere are some general things that need to get straightened out with pyeclib/liberasurecode. I'll be looking at that later this week21:14
wbhubernotmyname: sounds good.21:14
notmynamewbhuber: for security bugs, I'm not sure, and I'll have to look21:14
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notmynameI need to track down the packaging and release stuff and unbundling that is supposed to happen. and the question of where/how to better manage it going forward21:14
notmynameI've been talking with kevin and tushar via email about it21:15
kota_ok, thanks21:15
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torgomatichi, sorry I'm late, coffee machine was busted21:15
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notmynamekota_: thanks for bringing up the dependencies. that's a really good thing to notice21:15
notmynameany other dependency changes expected before the next release?21:16
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notmynamekota_: can you track down daisuke and resolve the merge conflict on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138697/ ?21:17
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kota_notmyname: ok, I'll poke hime, later.21:18
notmynamethanks21:18
notmynameok, It hink that wraps it up for swift 2.4.0 and beyond21:18
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notmyname#topic swiftclient release21:18
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notmynamepython-*client projects are released slightly differently these days21:18
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notmynamethe main point that matters for us right now is that we need a release of python-swiftclient, and soon, if it is to be included as part of liberty21:19
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notmynameand by soon, I mean end of the week21:19
joeljwright!21:19
notmyname(which I learned yesterday)21:19
notmynameyeah21:19
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joeljwrightok, well for once I don't think there's anything serious in the queue21:20
notmynameheh ok :-)21:20
notmynamehttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-swiftclient,n,z21:20
joeljwrightas long as all the patches that are waiting for merge make it through the gate21:20
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notmynameyeah. looks like there are 3 in the gate right now21:20
notmynameok, like with swift, I want to use launchpad as a way to flag when a release should not happen21:21
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notmynameif there is an open bug marked as critical, I'll hold the release21:21
notmynamehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/21:21
notmynamesame as with swift21:21
claygyay release blocking bugs!21:22
notmynameplease, if there is something that you see, let us know ASAP21:22
notmynameclayg: yay that there aren't any right now! ;-)21:22
claygsorry - that's what I ment :\21:22
notmynameany questions on swiftclient or the release there?21:23
acolesnotmyname: joeljwright so is there amything we want to try to land before end of week?21:23
notmynamealthough I haven't fully looked, I expect the next swiftclient release to be 2.6.021:23
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zaitcevDoes anyone know what the heck happened with forcing dependency on PyECLib 1.0.7? The comment says "BSD".21:24
acolesincreasing httplib max headers already has a +221:24
notmynameacoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214144/ would be good, I think. avoids the weird problems with newer python21:24
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joeljwrightyeah21:24
joeljwrightthat one and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172791/21:24
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notmynamezaitcev: that's a temporary thing (the pinning) until tushar does a release that unbundles the libraries (in 1.0.9?). the comment refers to the license21:25
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joeljwrightand obviously I;d like this to land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171692/21:25
notmynamejoeljwright: ah, good call on the tenant one21:25
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acolesnotmyname: done patch 21414421:26
patchbotacoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214144/21:26
notmynameacoles: wheee!21:26
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notmynameok, so this week if you see starred python-swiftclient patches, review those first21:27
notmynameland your swiftclient patches by friday21:28
notmynameland your swift patches by the end of the month21:28
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notmynameoh, one more cool thing (speaking of reviews)21:28
notmynamethe community QA cluster will now run probe tests agains every swift patch21:28
notmynamefirst time in ever that we've had those run automatically21:29
acolesnice!21:29
wbhubernifty!21:29
notmynamethat was just turned on a few hours ago21:29
tdasilvaneat!21:29
minwoob_cool21:29
mattoliveraucool21:29
notmynameit's using clayg's vagrant SAIO as the environment21:29
kota_nice21:29
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claygnotmyname: ^ wow charz should see that outpooring of praise!21:29
claygfreaking ninja21:29
notmynameyeah. I was just looking for him in here21:30
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acolescharz isn't here21:30
notmynameso charz did it. he's in the -swift channel21:30
tdasilvathere21:30
clayg:D21:30
notmynamenice :-)21:30
notmynameok, anything more on releases before we move on?21:30
notmynameok, moving on...21:31
notmyname#topic global ec cluster spec21:31
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notmynameI'd like to preface this before kota_ takes the floor21:31
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clayguhg oh21:31
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kota_That one is a topic I described in the last hackthon in Austin21:32
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notmynamekota_ added this as a topic. It hink it's great, the idea of going over a spec in here and hopefully landing it during the meeting21:32
kota_notmyname: nice21:32
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notmyname(but note that the implementation will happen after liberty, not before)21:32
notmynameok, kota_, you're up. how do you want to guide this?21:33
kota_notmyname: exactly, it's ok21:33
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notmyname#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209447/3/specs/in_progress/global_ec_cluster.rst,unified21:33
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notmynamespec ^21:33
kota_ah, currently, just want to review to land the spec into master.21:33
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notmynamekota_: after reading over it, it seems like you're presenting an idea, but not too much detail on implementation21:34
notmynameother than "we duplicate all the EC fragments"21:34
kota_notmyname: right, I think it's better to land as the first version for spec, right?21:34
notmynameI'm a fan of land-early-and-often21:34
claygnotmyname: well on the other-hand vuage unimplementable specs are bad too - although I think I agree21:35
kota_yes. And it lives in gerrit since berfore hackthon :\21:35
notmynamebasically, if I may summarize, you're proposing that instead of just increasing the number of fragments we should be more clever and duplicate the fragments21:35
claygI need to review the spec - early land should be for the use case - and enumeration of concerns for operations (of which many I feel will be duplicated with multi-region in general)21:36
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notmynameie don't build a 10+28 scheme and hope it all works across the regions21:36
claygnotmyname: that'd be a good thing to write down for someone before the ML post asking "how come it doesn't work!?"21:36
notmynamekota_: is that a fair summary of what you've written?21:36
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kota_ok, 1 sec.21:37
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notmynamekota_: I know that torgomatic has some ideas about multi-region stuff that may help (or hurt?) with this spec. some new stuff I don't know all the details on yet21:37
kota_currently, the spec is focusing on the 2 regions.21:38
kota_if we employ current ec scheme like 10+4 and if one region gone away, we will lost original data21:38
notmynameright21:38
kota_to ensure the original data, we should make the scheme >2 data reduncancy like 10+1221:39
notmyname(for those who don't understand why, 10+4 scheme has 14 fragments. when split over 2 regions, you get 7 in each, and that's not enough to recover)21:39
kota_notmyname: right, thanks.21:39
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minwoob_Increasing the number of parity fragments may be preferable in certain situations.21:40
kota_however more parities will decrease encode/decode performance siginificantly.21:40
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clayg^ and rebuild!21:40
minwoob_Maybe the spec should be implemented as a storage policy?21:40
notmynamekota_: thanks for testing that out and sharing the results there. pretty interesting21:40
kota_minwoob_: yes, it's policy setting.21:40
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claygminwoob_: I think the solution has many arms - some of them will be features in their own right21:41
notmynameminwoob_: I think that's getting ahead of the spec as it is now :-)21:41
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minwoob_Okay. Thanks for clarifying.21:41
kota_minwoob_: my idea is adding a config "duplication_factor"21:41
minwoob_I see.21:41
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mattoliverauor maybe we need a new policy Erasureplication :P21:41
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* mattoliverau is joking21:41
claygmattoliverau: that is *so* genious tho21:41
notmynamemattoliverau: you can stop now ;-)21:41
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claygmattoliverau: do not stop!21:42
kota_mattoliverau: but it's nice word to describe my idea.21:42
clayg:)21:42
notmynamelol21:42
acolesmattoliverau: read my mind21:42
kota_notmyname: does it you make sense?21:42
notmynametorgomatic: how does that jive with your ring of rings thing?21:42
claygkota_: I wasn't sure that joke would play to non-native - you continue to impress my friend21:42
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torgomaticit's orthogonal21:43
claygoh21:43
clayg:'(21:43
notmynamekota_: yeah, I think the idea makes a lot of sense and is where we'd start as the first reasonable implementation of region-ec21:43
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notmynametorgomatic: oh, it is?21:43
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notmynameI probably don't understand your stuff then21:43
torgomaticme neither21:43
notmynameheh, ok21:43
claygyeah I'm not sure a 28 replica ring placed over two clusters with a duplication_factor of 2 on a 10+4 will "just work"21:43
claygtorgomatic: LOL!21:44
mattoliveraulol21:44
tdasilvawhat's ring of rings?21:44
tdasilvais it the one ring to rule them all?21:44
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torgomaticI'm calling it "bananaphone"21:44
claygtdasilva: some shit torgomatic made up (I don't know the details either)21:44
claygtorgomatic: you are NOT naming things - that's mattoliverau's job21:44
tdasilvahaha21:44
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mattoliveraulol21:44
torgomatichehe21:44
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claygwe shall call it "my precious"21:44
joeljwright:D21:45
kota_tdasilva: one ring in one cluster21:45
kota_cluster means it has all regions21:45
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minwoob_That would be epic.21:46
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zaitcevOkay, I suppose of Kota wins, then for 10+4 it's 10 per side or 20 for 2 regions, instead of 14 in pure EC. It is still half of 4x rep of 40 total.21:47
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mattoliveraukota_ has done some good research, found a problem and has come up with a reasonable step forward.. like anything I think it has merit to go forward as a first attempt. At the very least we should land it and then see what happens when we talk design in the later patches21:48
zaitcevI am afraid to look though.21:48
notmynamemattoliverau: my thoughts exactly. well said21:48
notmynameand I added my +221:48
mattoliveraucare would need to be given in plaement of duplicates, but that's a design thing21:48
kota_mattoliverau: right, and thanks!21:49
mattoliveraukota_: and +A'ed :)21:49
tdasilvaso, are we agreeing that duplicating is the best way forward for global replication?21:49
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tdasilvaec global replication that is21:49
mattoliverautdasilva: no we're agreeing that its a good idea to follow up on21:49
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tdasilvaok21:49
kota_tdasilva: good question, IMO no21:49
notmynametdasilva: I'm agreeing that it's a reasonable...yeah, what mattoliverau said21:50
kota_tdasilva: it's a way to solve the problem. we still can choose another way.21:50
tdasilvasounds good, thanks21:50
kota_like...container-sync?21:51
notmynameyeah, torgomatic's thing is something like "let's have tiers of rings that allow for explicit placement like 'put 2 here and 1 there'". That may be somethign else to pursue that could be unrelated to this or help this21:51
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notmynameand yeah, more separate clusters with a better container sync between them is definitely a great thing. and IBM is *really* interested in that these days21:51
jrichli+121:52
kota_wow, interesting idea to employ tiered ring.21:52
notmynameanyway, kota_ thanks for working on this and bringing it up21:52
notmyname#topic open discussion21:52
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notmynameanything else to address in today's meeting?21:52
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notmyname(I'm amazed at how fast specs merge)21:53
notmynamethanks, everyone, for coming. and thanks for working on swift. you make it great21:53
notmyname#endmeeting21:53
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