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| robcresswell | Is there a docs meeting? I may have the wrong time... | 14:07 |
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| Zara | storyboard! anyone about? | 15:00 |
| SotK | hello! | 15:01 |
| Zara | oh my goodness! | 15:01 |
| Zara | I didn't expect to see you here! | 15:01 |
| SotK | what a surprise! | 15:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 15:01:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:02 |
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| SotK | I'm not aware of any announcements or urgent items | 15:02 |
| SotK | we fixed the problem discussed last week regarding changes not showing up in storyboard.o.o | 15:02 |
| Zara | oh yeah, \o/ | 15:03 |
| Zara | I was worried but it turned out to not be anything too concerning | 15:03 |
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| Zara | reviews for SotK's boards and worklists patches are always appreciated | 15:05 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:05 |
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| SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:05 |
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| SotK | #info SotK is still looking at worklists and boards. | 15:05 |
| SotK | #info SotK sent patches for detailed access controls on boards/worklists! | 15:06 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:worklists,n,z Outstanding patches | 15:06 |
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| Zara | I'm just doing summit prep this week. managed to review a singular patch; doubt I'll get to any more. | 15:06 |
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| Zara | I also can't test while *at* the summit. :( | 15:06 |
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| SotK | I also did some bugfixes to pagination and searching | 15:06 |
| Zara | so we really need reviews from other people | 15:06 |
| Zara | if anyone wants shiny new worklists and boards any time soon | 15:06 |
| SotK | indeed! | 15:07 |
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| Zara | yeah, the bugfix patch was the one I prioritized, since it was a bugfix for something we introduced | 15:07 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 15:07 |
| SotK | hey NikitaKonovalov | 15:08 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000381 was the relevant story. | 15:08 |
| Zara | oh, hey NikitaKonovalov! :) | 15:08 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236945/ search bugfix | 15:08 |
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| SotK | beyond that stuff I don't know of anything in-progress | 15:09 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:10 |
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| SotK | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 15:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | did you discuss any plane of having a session or something at the summit? | 15:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | *plans | 15:12 |
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| Zara | NikitaKonovalov: I'm attending the task-tracking infra fishbowl session, but nothing planned beyond that | 15:12 |
| Zara | might be able to put something together if there's interest | 15:12 |
| SotK | I won't be at the summit sadly | 15:12 |
| Zara | frankly I'd assumed I'd be the only one there because it's normally just me and SotK in these meetings. | 15:13 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I'm asking because it's been for year now that I'm not contributing much to StoryBoard, but I'm still interested in the state of the project and where it's heading | 15:14 |
| Zara | ahh, okay. in terms of storyboard's place within openstack, that's something I want to find out too, and I'm hoping the task-tracking fishbowl will help clarify that. | 15:14 |
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| Zara | in terms of storyboard itself, we're pretty active in #storyboard, but limited by the small number of developers contributing at the moment | 15:15 |
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| Zara | so we have a rough guide for the next few months but it's designed with low numbers in mind | 15:15 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | what I see is that you are trying to build the worklist feature | 15:16 |
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| SotK | indeed, that's my main focus at the moment | 15:16 |
| Zara | yeah, there's a rough map beyond that for subscription notifications, followed by tags. | 15:17 |
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| Zara | and hopefully a fix for the irritating 401 error along the way... | 15:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | SotK: thats great, was there a request from outside for it, or it's your own initiative? | 15:17 |
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| Zara | if there's a direction you'd like us to take with development, we can also talk in person at the summit if you'll be there :) | 15:19 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | again I'm asking because I'll be glad to help, but I want to be sure that you are building something that is important | 15:20 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | I dont have any direction in mind right now, but we can talk at the summit | 15:21 |
| SotK | NikitaKonovalov: its one of the planned StoryBoard features that Codethink is interested in having, and it looked like an interesting one to start with to me :) | 15:21 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | SotK: great, so there is a company interested in StoryBoard | 15:22 |
| NikitaKonovalov | thats very important for me | 15:22 |
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| SotK | NikitaKonovalov: yep :) | 15:23 |
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| Zara | NikitaKonovalov: cool. :) I can go into our reasons for why we've chosen these priorities so far-- but they are quite flexible if you think there would be something more important we could focus on. | 15:25 |
| Zara | be brilliant to talk about it, anyway | 15:25 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Zara: do you have a link to the task-tracking fishbowl> | 15:25 |
| NikitaKonovalov | ? | 15:25 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | \me cant find it in the schedule | 15:25 |
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| Zara | NikitaKonovalov: http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/f79e2104d97fb5f7f5148e9950bb3a64#.VieurG-QneQ | 15:26 |
| Zara | I'm not yet listed in there as attending; only made a sched account today, but I will definitely be there. :) | 15:26 |
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| Zara | there were originally a few task tracking sessions on the etherpad that got fused. | 15:27 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Thanks, I'll try to attend it | 15:27 |
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| Zara | great :) we've had to work out a lot of things, so it would be great to speak to someone who worked with the code before we started; really appreciate it. :) | 15:28 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Zara: I'll be glad to help with the techincal questions about the code. But I'm not a great expert in UI as it was Michael's part | 15:29 |
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| Zara | heh, no problem; I'm sure we'll all figure it out together! :) thanks again. | 15:31 |
| SotK | :D | 15:31 |
| SotK | thanks NikitaKonovalov | 15:31 |
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| SotK | Anything else for discussion? | 15:32 |
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| Zara | not much from me; I'm going to be pretty busy panicking about going to the other side of the world in less than a week-- erm, I mean, preparing for the summit | 15:33 |
| SotK | :D | 15:34 |
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| Zara | so I probably won't be much use this week as far as development goes. If there's anything we want to know about, though, let me know. | 15:34 |
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| SotK | I guess the meeting can end then... | 15:36 |
| SotK | .. | 15:36 |
| SotK | . | 15:36 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 15:36:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-10-21-15.01.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-10-21-15.01.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-10-21-15.01.log.html | 15:36 |
| SotK | thanks all! | 15:36 |
| Zara | thanks :) | 15:36 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 16:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jseiler_ | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hello! | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone. | 16:00 |
| hemna | floop | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
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| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe short meeting this week. We'll see. ;) | 16:01 |
| kmartin | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #info Summit sessions scheduled for next week | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Everything should be up to date on the sched site. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | If you looks at the design summit schedule you get a better view. | 16:02 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | No design stuff on the main summit schedule to prevent wayward attendees. :) | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #info No meeting next week | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Since it seems like it is asked every time. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | No meeting next week due to the summit taking place. | 16:03 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:03 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: You should probably get annoucement on openstack-dev | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Aren't we really haven't one big meeting!?! | 16:03 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: it would be useful to send such things to the openstack-dev | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: True | 16:03 |
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| hemna | smcginnis, did we get a Cinder youtube.com account to record the sessions ? I'm planning on bringing my camera w/ me. | 16:03 |
| geguileo | dulek: e0ne +1 | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | dulek, e0ne: Sure, I'll send out an announcement. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to set up a Cinder youtube account | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ Good idea. | 16:04 |
| hemna | smcginnis, coolio thanks. | 16:04 |
| geguileo | hemna: Great idea!! | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I had meant to do that. Thanks for the reminder. | 16:04 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna +1 | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | That should help having that. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Rolling upgrades | 16:04 |
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| hemna | ok let me know I can stream those to the account. | 16:04 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Hey | 16:04 |
| dulek | hemna: This will probably work worse than Google Hangout without a few good mics. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077411.html | 16:05 |
| dulek | Hi! | 16:05 |
| hemna | dulek, yah dunno I'll play with the mic on my camera. | 16:05 |
| dulek | hemna: Also - I think Nova guys used OpenStack Foundation channel to put their stuff. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | dulek: You brought up the rolling upgrades on the ML. Thought it would be good to make sure everyone was aware of it here. Can you give an overview? | 16:06 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Yeah. :) | 16:06 |
| dulek | So it | 16:06 |
| dulek | It's all based on the fact that services should interoperate between versions. | 16:07 |
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| dulek | There are few channels of communication: | 16:07 |
| dulek | RPC | 16:07 |
| dulek | API | 16:07 |
| dulek | DB | 16:07 |
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| dulek | We won't care on the API - that's what outside services call. ;) | 16:07 |
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| dulek | RPC consists of definitions of RPC methods and what's actually sent through. | 16:08 |
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| dulek | For that we have RPC versioning which is in poor state in Cinder. | 16:08 |
| dulek | And versioned objects - which we're adopting. | 16:08 |
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| dulek | Apart from that there's DB compatibility - if we remove a column from the DB, then older services will fail. | 16:09 |
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| dulek | So we have some work in terms of RPC done by thangp and I think this is going in good direction. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | dulek: And we haven't dropped any columns so far, right? | 16:09 |
| dulek | We need to think of DB mirations. | 16:10 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: Not since Juno. We may get a test into the tree that will ensure that we won't merge such migration. | 16:10 |
| geguileo | dulek: Can't we remove the column once everything is upgraded? | 16:10 |
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| dulek | I'm not sure if that satisfies everyone - for example geguileo's specs will get harder to implement. | 16:11 |
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| dulek | geguileo: That's called online schema migrations - Nova's implemented it. It means all migrations have 3 phases. | 16:11 |
| dulek | Problem is - their implementation is very experimental. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | I thought that's what we were going to do | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | But that's because they had other version before, right? | 16:12 |
| dulek | dansmith suggested that it isn't a best idea to adopt that. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | Really? :-( | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | So we wouldn't have renaming or removal of columns? | 16:12 |
| dulek | Generally current Nova's approach would be hard to implement without conductor-like service. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Is the concern that it isn't baked enough? Or are they actually running into problems with it? | 16:13 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: I'm not sure on that. | 16:13 |
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| dansmith | the online schema stuff has nothing to do with anything really | 16:14 |
| dansmith | it's an optimization of writing manual migrations | 16:14 |
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| dansmith | the hard problems are all the same with manual migrations or the online stuff | 16:14 |
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| dulek | There's another idea - just manually split migrations when writing the code. | 16:14 |
| dansmith | but upgrades are achievable without what you see in our tree as "online schema" | 16:14 |
| dansmith | my blog posts should explain what we currently do, which isn't using that online schema experimental thing | 16:15 |
| geguileo | dansmith: Can those upgrade remove/rename columns? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #link http://www.danplanet.com/blog/2015/10/05/upgrades-in-nova-the-details/ | 16:15 |
| dulek | dansmith: Doesn't it require something like conductor to translate objects? | 16:15 |
| dansmith | geguileo: you can't do that in any kind of migration unless you require downtime | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | dansmith: That one, right? And its follow ons. | 16:15 |
| dansmith | smcginnis: yep | 16:15 |
| dansmith | I think we should plan to talk about this in the cross-project session on tuesday | 16:15 |
| dansmith | because I'm technically on vacation today and it's a complicated thing to discuss | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | dansmith: :) | 16:16 |
| dulek | I can volunteer to be there. :) | 16:16 |
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| scottda | I'll add it to the Tuesday cinder-nova session agenda | 16:16 |
| dulek | scottda: Isn't it already packed and actually has nothing to do with cinder-nova interactions? | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda: How many things we have in there now? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | dansmith: That's the Live Upgrades on Tuesday at 4:40pm, correct? | 16:17 |
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| dansmith | smcginnis: yep | 16:17 |
| scottda | Not that many...I was going to bring this up later in the meeting | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | On my schedule | 16:17 |
| dansmith | smcginnis: if you show up with good questions/concerns it will really help get that discussion going | 16:17 |
| scottda | ahhh...we're talking about 2 different things | 16:17 |
| dansmith | you meaning "people" | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | dansmith: I'll try to do my homework ahead of time. | 16:17 |
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| dansmith | smcginnis: just "how do we rename columns" is good stuff, although my posts should explain how to do that | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Still could be interesting in the cinder-nova meeting. | 16:18 |
| dulek | dansmith: It is but not without conductor. ;) | 16:18 |
| dulek | dansmith: Our problem is we have all the services accessing the DB. | 16:18 |
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| dansmith | dulek: yep, which is a problem you're going to have to solve, either by rules and care or by doing something different :) | 16:19 |
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| dulek | Okay. So that's it on the DB stuff I think… Follow up will be in Tokyo. | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Thank you. | 16:20 |
| dulek | There's still some RPC stuff to discuss. | 16:20 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Can I continue? ;) | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Yes, please do! | 16:21 |
| dansmith | I gotta run, but I hope you guys will bring these questions on tuesday :) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | dansmith: Thanks Dan. | 16:21 |
| dulek | dansmith: Thanks! | 16:21 |
| dulek | So one thing I've noticed is that we're passing some dicts as RPC arguments. | 16:21 |
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| dulek | These are request_spec, filter_properties and capabilities (sent c-vol->c-sch). | 16:22 |
| dulek | Question is - are we allowing that we will remove/rename stuff from them? | 16:22 |
| dulek | If so - we need to convert them into versioned objects. | 16:22 |
| dulek | Thoughts? | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | It seems like it would be safer to convert them. | 16:23 |
| dulek | Okay, my opinion is that we should do that just in case. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Anyone else? | 16:24 |
| geguileo | Aren't versioned objects intended for DB stuff? | 16:24 |
| hemna | geguileo, I thought so | 16:24 |
| dulek | geguileo: Also. But main purpose is compatibility of the stuff you send over RPC. | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | I didn't think they had to be DB objects. | 16:25 |
| geguileo | OK, then we should convert them | 16:25 |
| dulek | If you change structure of object sent over RPC - older version of service would not understand it. | 16:25 |
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| dulek | Versioned objects provide layer to translate that object to older version before sending. | 16:26 |
| dulek | So it is understood by everyone. | 16:26 |
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| dulek | Okay. :) | 16:26 |
| dulek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177054/ | 16:26 |
| geguileo | Yeah, that part I know, I just thought we were only going to use it for the DB side of it | 16:26 |
| geguileo | Anyway +1 to move those to VO | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I believe we have this on the sprint session list for next Friday. It might be good to at least have a quick discussion on it. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | But from what I can see, VO is probably necessary. | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: OK, anything else you want to cover on this topic? | 16:28 |
| dulek | We have this patch by thangp - it's huge. Before L-release jgriffith said that we should merge it just after master opens. | 16:28 |
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| dulek | (talking about this one - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177054) | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | That one? ^^ | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | dulek: :) | 16:28 |
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| dulek | So - is this still true or we should revisit that decision? ;) | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | I haven't noticed ThangP around lately. That needs a rebase. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | I'm more than a little concerned about that patch | 16:29 |
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| dulek | I can take over the work if he isn't able to work on that further. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I recall thingee wanted that merged for L, but I'm not quite sure | 16:29 |
| dulek | Anyway - a decision on direction would be needed. | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | well... I was def -2 for L, still not sure | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | has to be a better way to break that up | 16:30 |
| hemna | it only changes everything, what could go wrong? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | hemna: :) | 16:30 |
| dulek | snapshot object patch as also big and we lived. | 16:30 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: ummm... we are still fixing bugs on that one I think | 16:31 |
| geguileo | I'm not too happy about that patch, as I mentioned in the comments, but I think it needs to happen | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: I agree... we probably do need to bite the bullet | 16:31 |
| geguileo | Although it will require a lot of reviewers | 16:31 |
| geguileo | I mean, it's easy to miss something, so the more the merrier | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: +111 | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | I'm just not looking forward to it :( | 16:31 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Recent comments were on upgradeability of RPC methods. We don't even have clear strategy on that yet. | 16:32 |
| hemna | I guess it's a dumb question, but is there anyway to break that patch up into a series ? | 16:32 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: Me neither XD | 16:32 |
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| geguileo | hemna: That's the broken down version after I required it to be split ;-) | 16:32 |
| dulek | hemna: We've tried, but ended up writing even more code in the broken up patches. | 16:32 |
| hemna | :( | 16:32 |
| dulek | hemna: To make tests work. | 16:33 |
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| geguileo | hemna: 1037 LOC changes are from 1 test file | 16:33 |
| hemna | yah test_volume.py looks painful | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | :{ | 16:33 |
| dulek | Yeah, a lot of the changes are to tests. | 16:33 |
| hemna | heh, like I said, it was a dumb question | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | test_volume.py sucks | 16:33 |
| * dulek thinks that test_volume.py always looked painful. | 16:33 | |
| jgriffith | plain and simple... worst unit test ever | 16:33 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:34 |
| eharney | that's why i started breaking it up into smaller bitss | 16:34 |
| hemna | that file = hell | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | eharney: yes... and MUCH appreciated | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | ok... side tracked | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | so I think we just move forward with it | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | I do think we need a lot of focus on it from everyone | 16:34 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: +1 | 16:34 |
| dulek | Okay, I'll make sure to get that rebased and ready for reviews. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | and I REALLY appreciate the help from dansmith and would like to make sure we continue to get his input assuming he has bandwidth and is willing | 16:35 |
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| * jgriffith realizes he's on vacation and that puts us out to possibly after summit | 16:35 | |
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| dulek | So that's how you get reviewers from other projects to review your code… | 16:36 |
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| dulek | I think my topic's over for now. We should talk more in Japan. :) | 16:36 |
| geguileo | And we really need proper specs for that | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Thanks! | 16:37 |
| geguileo | By that I mean rolling upgrades | 16:37 |
| dulek | geguileo: +1, I'll take care of that (maybe not before the summit). | 16:37 |
| dulek | Thank you everyone! | 16:37 |
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| geguileo | dulek: Thanks | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:37 |
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| scottda | I wanted to talk about the agenda for the nova-cinder session | 16:38 |
| scottda | I copied info from the etherpad to the session agenda:https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NovaCinderMitakaSession | 16:38 |
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| scottda | hemna: Do we need to talk about the os-brick rootwrap issue? | 16:38 |
| hemna | scottda, yes | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | #info Cinder-nova session planning | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | #link http://www.danplanet.com/blog/2015/10/05/upgrades-in-nova-the-details/ | 16:39 |
| scottda | and is is ok to put you on the hook for that? | 16:39 |
| hemna | sure | 16:39 |
| scottda | jungleboyj: Did you put up the item for Extend Attached Volumes ? | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda: Yes. | 16:39 |
| hemna | scottda, matt thinks it's an oslo discussion fwiw | 16:40 |
| scottda | and you are OK to lead that? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Yes, I can. How is that an oslo discussion? | 16:40 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, I was referring to the os-brick item | 16:40 |
| scottda | I think hemna meant rootwrap | 16:40 |
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| scottda | OK. There's an open section on Bugs, but nothing there to discuss yet.... | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | We should see where privsep is. That was pitched as a rootwrap replacement. | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Ok, *phew* Was confused. | 16:41 |
| scottda | Please list things that are nova volume bugs that you have an interest in. | 16:41 |
| scottda | Otherwise, the session looks like it could be a little light on content. | 16:41 |
| scottda | That's all I had on this. | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: I'm sure we'll rathole on a few things to fill the time. :) | 16:42 |
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| hemna | smcginnis, we are experts at that. | 16:42 |
| scottda | Yes, I promised a separate session for bike-shedding, but I failed to schedule that. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Anything else? Anyone? | 16:44 |
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| eharney | one quick thing | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Do we want to try to nail down a plan for Monday night? | 16:45 |
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| eharney | i've been poking at documenting our driver API (related to a summit session) -- some early pieces here if anyone is curious https://github.com/eharney/driver_doc/blob/master/driver.rst | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://github.com/eharney/driver_doc/blob/master/driver.rst Start of driver API documentation | 16:46 |
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| eharney | once it's more complete/polished/etc i'll push it toward our devref docs | 16:46 |
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| eharney | (the todo list is still pretty long) | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Need any help on anything with that? | 16:47 |
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| hemna | eharney, nice | 16:47 |
| eharney | any help collecting all of the "you need to know these three magic incantations when implementing method X" kind of knowledge, is useful | 16:47 |
| hemna | eharney, you can ping me about initialize_connection and terminate_connection for FC based drivers | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Thanks for getting that started. Looks like a good start. | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Looks really nice. I'll try to spend some time looking for implied things that should be stated clearly. | 16:48 |
| eharney | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Cinder_Driver_API_Doc is my working todo list | 16:48 |
| eharney | just throwing that out there for anyone interested | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | #link https://github.com/eharney/driver_doc/blob/master/driver.rst | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Awesome, thanks! | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Monday night sounds good. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | Folks want to meet up somewhere? | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I am game. | 16:50 |
| geguileo | eharney: You should add those links to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-driver-interface | 16:50 |
| kmartin | eharney, it would be nice to get all the export stuff include, that jgriffith documented | 16:50 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Yeah. :) | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Good point. | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | monday works for me | 16:50 |
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| scottda | Do we have anyone Cinder devs in Japan that can help pick a place to meet? | 16:50 |
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| eharney | geguileo: ahh i didn't realize the etherpads were already up | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I wonder if we want to just pick a time and place at the conference center to meet and then go from there? | 16:51 |
| * smcginnis was trying to be proactive | 16:51 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: When are you getting into Tokyo? | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: That might work best. Unless someone knows the area and has a suggestion. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I should be getting there around mid day, depending on when we get out of Hakone. | 16:52 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: How late is the Women of OpenStack event. | 16:52 |
| kmartin | smcginnis, I have a private HP party on Monday, but will try to make both | 16:53 |
| dulek | smcginnis: 4:30 PM to 7:30 PM | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: Of course you do. :P | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | 7:30. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Well, we can follow tradition and do it overlapping with the HP private party. :) | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | kmartin and his private parties. | 16:53 |
| kmartin | thanks to scottda, they shared the same parking lot in Vancouver :) | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | OK, how about convention center lobby at 7:30. Meet up there and find somewhere from there. | 16:54 |
| * jungleboyj thinks we just go crash the HP party then. ;-) | 16:54 | |
| smcginnis | kmartin: Where's the party this year. Maybe we can find somewhere next door again. | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That works for me. | 16:54 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: sounds good | 16:54 |
| dulek | smcginnis: I'm fine with that. | 16:54 |
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| * smcginnis apoligizes to anyone attending this meeting trying to actually be productive | 16:55 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: hemna and I get there earlier. We can maybe scope things out earlier in the day. | 16:55 |
| kmartin | smcginnis, I'll look it up and send it to you, walking distance from the convention center | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: Cool, then maybe we can do the same as last time. ;) | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Volunteering to do bar research? | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like a plan. | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:56 |
| scottda | jungleboyj: It should be easy to find. It is here: 土風炉 品川店, | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:56 |
| kmartin | Tofuro 2-15-1 Konan, Minato, Tokyo 108-0075 | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda: I have friends who can read that. | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So, lets specify meeting by registration at the conference center at 7:30. | 16:56 |
| kmartin | I've been practicing that one was easy scottda :) | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | I'm leaving in the morning. If you need anything feel free to message me. I'll check in as I can. | 16:57 |
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| hemna | scottda, it could be at おなら | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 it's official. | 16:57 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. Looking forward to seeing folks next week. | 16:57 |
| dulek | bye! | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You going to send something to the mailing list or should I? | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 16:58:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-10-21-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-10-21-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-10-21-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You can if you want. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, will do. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Way to delegate. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | :-p | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | ;) | 16:59 |
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| skraynev_ | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 20:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| jasond | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:00 |
| Drago | o/ | 20:00 |
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| pas-ha | o/ | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:01 |
| rpothier | o/ | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-10-21_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
| skraynev_ | we have a really short agenda for now | 20:02 |
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| stevebaker | short meetings are allowed, especially before summit | 20:02 |
| skraynev_ | ok ;) | 20:03 |
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| markvan | o/ | 20:03 |
| jonesbr1 | skraynev_: can we revisit the namespace decision for lbaasv2 resources? | 20:03 |
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| jdandrea | \o | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | jonesbr1: sure, we may discuss it on Open discussion part today | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Canceling meeting for the next 2 weeks | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | why 2 weeks? | 20:04 |
| shardy | Yeah, same question from me | 20:04 |
| skraynev_ | 1 summit ;) | 20:04 |
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| skraynev_ | second, because I will be in trip, so... | 20:04 |
| shardy | skraynev_: someone else can chair the meeting in your absense | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | anybody can help me and be in chair ? | 20:05 |
| shardy | skraynev_: I'm happy to do it | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: ok. thx for volunteering ;) | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | #info we will skip only meeting during summit week | 20:06 |
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| skraynev_ | #action shardy will be in chair for week after the summit. | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | that's why I wanted to discuss this topic ;) | 20:07 |
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| skraynev_ | #Open discussion | 20:08 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Open discussion | 20:08 |
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| skraynev_ | jonesbr1: your turn | 20:09 |
| skraynev_ | what did you want to discuss about lbaasv2 ? | 20:09 |
| jonesbr1 | What namespace should the new LBaaS v2 resources live in? The current patch sets have OS::LBaaS::* but we feel they belong in the Neutron namespace | 20:09 |
| jonesbr1 | something like OS::Neutron::LBaaS_* | 20:10 |
| jonesbr1 | or OS::Neutron::*_v2 | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | LBaaS isn't a project name, so using that as the namespace would be inconsistent with all the other resource types | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | jonesbr1: to me this depends entirely on what we want the user experience to be for existing stacks which are transitioning from old to new lbaas | 20:10 |
| zaneb | so +1 for Neutron, unless LBaaS actually falls under some other project now? | 20:11 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: but still separate resources from the v1 ones? | 20:11 |
| jonesbr1 | LBaaS is still under Neutron, but separate resources from the v1 ones | 20:11 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: no comment | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | LBAAS - it's only for splitting between v2 and v1 resources. Neutron namespace is more useful, because it uses neutron client | 20:12 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: jonesbr1: I like the idea with suffix _v2 and Neutron namespace | 20:12 |
| shardy | Versioning in resource types is evil :( | 20:13 |
| skraynev_ | I tend to say, that it;s more clear then LBAAS prefix or LBAAS namespace | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | the v1 resources are mixed into the base OS::Neutron::* namespace. How about we put v2 in OS::Neutron::LBaaS::* since it is its own project now | 20:13 |
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| shardy | How does neutronclient handle abstracting the two incompatible versions? | 20:14 |
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| neelashah1 | stevebaker +1 given the trend of neutron to have plugins, would there be more such cases so the one more nesting would work across the board | 20:14 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: can we do such exception for it? ah no... bad example for other projects to start use such suffixes.... | 20:14 |
| markvan | neutron has a LB_* and a LBAAS_* spaces, o abit ugly | 20:14 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: It's bad practice - what happens when there's an otherwise compatible version bump to a v3 neutron API? | 20:15 |
| * jdandrea is not fond of _v2 or _2 or any kind of suffix | 20:15 | |
| shardy | the whole point of heat is to provide an abstraction above those sorts of things | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: hmm, to a point | 20:15 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: yeahhh.. it's true | 20:16 |
| shardy | obviously we're being bitten by the lack of backwards compatibility in this case, but if we can avoid it I'd rather we didn't start encoding versions in resource types | 20:16 |
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| randallburt | shardy: +1 | 20:16 |
| jdandrea | +1 | 20:16 |
| shardy | If everyone else thinks it's Ok then fair enough, but it just seems...wrong to me :) | 20:16 |
| randallburt | also, neutron plugin versions are tied to the neutron api verions? | 20:17 |
| jdandrea | I don't like it. Versioning doesn't belong in the name. | 20:17 |
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| markvan | I think the OS::Neutron::LBaaS::* is a reasonable choice here. | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | shardy: +1, so how about OS::Neutron::LBaaS::* ? | 20:17 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 that's fine IMO | 20:17 |
| pas-ha | +1 | 20:17 |
| jdandrea | Is it a matter of checking for existence of things? Of modules/classes/methods? | 20:17 |
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| skraynev_ | ok. what do you think about suffix or middle namespace ? | 20:17 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: ^ | 20:17 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: +1 | 20:17 |
| prazumovsky | hi, sorry, I had problems with internet | 20:17 |
| shardy | skraynev_: OS::Neutron::LBaaS::Foo is fine IMO | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | and this may be the first of many OS::Neutron::*::* resources from neutron's stadium inside the big tent ;) | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | this actually sounds ok, as lbaas is now a kind of out-of-neutron thing/plugin | 20:18 |
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| prazumovsky | +1 | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | moar plugins awaits :) | 20:18 |
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| neelashah1 | +1 there will be more of these from neutron's perspective | 20:18 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: I just afraid, that it may became a common practice to use middle namespace for some extensions. is it ok ? | 20:18 |
| jonesbr1 | stevebaker: +1, as a follow up, where should the custom constraints for these new resources should live? neutron.lbaas.foo | 20:19 |
| skraynev_ | some kind OS::<service name>::<Extension name>::<resource> | 20:19 |
| pas-ha | theese are basically just for UX | 20:19 |
| shardy | skraynev_: Personally I think it's OK, provided the namespaces are descriptive and don't expose stuff like underlying API versions | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | jonesbr1: that sounds fine | 20:19 |
| jdandrea | Better! | 20:20 |
| pas-ha | jonesbr1: +1 | 20:20 |
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| jonesbr1 | stevebaker: thanks that looks good to me as well | 20:20 |
| markvan | shardy: +! | 20:20 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: if the architecture of Neutron is a core thing with a bunch of plugins then it makes sense to have our namespaces follow the same structure | 20:20 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I'd like to avoid another file for it. we have module per client mapping in heat/engine/clients/os | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | and if we will add neutron.lbaas - it sounds like a separate lbaas client... | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: we can do whatever is most maintainable, it can be broken out if the implementation gets too big | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: lets keep namespace of constraints separate from source file structure | 20:22 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: can we something like: subdirectory clients/os/neutron/ with neutron.py and lbaas.py ? | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: that sounds reasonable | 20:24 |
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| skraynev_ | #info suggest to use middle namespace for resources from extensions, e.g. OS::Neutron::LBaaS::LB_resource | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: ok with new directory it looks ok for me | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker : thx | 20:25 |
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| skraynev_ | jdandrea: ^ | 20:25 |
| jdandrea | skraynev_: Sounds good | 20:26 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: I agree with this idea, just start thinking about renaming all resources, which are based on extensions... (unfortunately it's blocked by backward compatibility) | 20:27 |
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| skraynev_ | I mean a lot of renaming and deprecation ;) | 20:27 |
| jonesbr1 | skraynev_: Thanks for the clarification, we will work these suggestions into the new resources | 20:27 |
| zaneb | how many do we actually have? | 20:27 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: I remember Rabi's patch for Neutron resources... and it was about 3 or 2 groups with 3 or 2 resources | 20:28 |
| skraynev_ | not sure about other services | 20:29 |
| skraynev_ | its not critical | 20:29 |
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| skraynev_ | it's | 20:29 |
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| skraynev_ | jonesbr1: ok | 20:30 |
| skraynev_ | anything else for discussion ? or we may finish earlier ;) | 20:31 |
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| jdandrea | Since versions were mentioned, *could* there ever a situation where we need something like version: in a resource (alongside type and properties)? | 20:31 |
| jdandrea | Or does it not even belong *there*? | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | jdandrea: not sure about type | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | jdandrea: there could always be a version property added to the resource | 20:32 |
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| jdandrea | OK. But there's no pressing need for that now, AFAIK. | 20:32 |
| zaneb | jdandrea: if you get to that point you've failed. that said, API design in OpenStack fails a lot :/ | 20:32 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Heh, I hear you. *sigh* | 20:33 |
| jdandrea | Ok, good. | 20:33 |
| * jdandrea yields the floor | 20:33 | |
| zaneb | I agree with stevebaker that it would be better as a property in the cases where we're forced to | 20:33 |
| skraynev_ | :) | 20:33 |
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| jdandrea | *nodnod* | 20:33 |
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| skraynev_ | because we have a pretty good deprecation mechanism for resource properties ;) | 20:34 |
| jdandrea | This is true. | 20:34 |
| prazumovsky | +1:) | 20:34 |
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| shardy | well, we don't really, because there's no user-visible deprecation warning except the docs ;) | 20:35 |
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| shardy | There is a validation spec up atm which may help with that | 20:35 |
| jdandrea | Ahh, the deprecation is noted in the log. | 20:35 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: your truth, but we already has a spec for it. | 20:36 |
| jdandrea | Right? | 20:36 |
| ryansb | exactly | 20:36 |
| jdandrea | ok | 20:36 |
| shardy | jdandrea: yeah, we need a way to make user-visible noise, not just logs | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | jdandrea: and in documentation too | 20:36 |
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| jdandrea | Hence the validation spec thingy | 20:36 |
| shardy | Yeah, it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228425/ if anyone's interested | 20:38 |
| shardy | it doesn't warn on create, but it at least provides potential way to warn on template-validate | 20:38 |
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| shardy | Anything else or shall we wrap things up? | 20:41 |
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| skraynev_ | nothing from me :) | 20:41 |
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| ryansb | sounds like a plan | 20:42 |
| jdandrea | :) | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
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| jdob | safe travels for summit :) | 20:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 20:42:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-10-21-20.00.html | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-10-21-20.00.txt | 20:42 |
| jdandrea | Safe travels! | 20:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-10-21-20.00.log.html | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | ok. thank you all ') | 20:42 |
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| shardy | See you in Tokyo all! :) | 20:42 |
| prazumovsky | Good bye! | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | +2 | 20:42 |
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| pas-ha | see ya in Japan :) | 20:42 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 21 21:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | hello, everyone. who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| wbhuber | Me | 21:00 |
| minwoob | o/ | 21:00 |
| ho | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | evening | 21:00 |
| peluse | yo | 21:00 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:00 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | I hope everyone is doing well | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | we've got just a few days until the summit | 21:01 |
| * torgomatic is disappointed at the general lack of donuts when it comes to IRC meetings | 21:01 | |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:01 |
| jrichli | yo | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic: now I want a donut | 21:02 |
| torgomatic | mattoliverau: join the club | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: there's Swedish candy over on this side of the office | 21:02 |
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| jrichli | like ... sweedish fish? | 21:02 |
| notmyname | in this meeting I'd like to go over the schedule and do some prep for the summit sessions | 21:02 |
| notmyname | jrichli: among many other things | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic: maybe we need to find some donuts for next week ;) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: frankly, most of it is disgusting | 21:03 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org | 21:03 |
| notmyname | there's the overall summit scheudle | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | there's the swift schedule | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so here's how I scheduled it | 21:04 |
| notmyname | based on the experience in vancouver | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | instead of blocking each 40 minute track for one topic, | 21:04 |
| notmyname | this time I grouped the sessions | 21:04 |
| * acoles apologises for being late | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | so eg there's 2 sessions, a break, then 3 sessions, then 2 sessions | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | so I took those session blocks and put them in the schedule as "work session N, where we'll cover Foo, Bar, and Baz" | 21:05 |
| notmyname | that way, if we have something that goes long, that's ok | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | and if we have something that is shorter, that's ok too | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | pretty much, I think that the summit is looking more and more like the swift hackathons ;-) | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: great idea | 21:06 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: I think that's a good thing :-) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: we'll see how it works :-) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | yeah, i'm hopeful | 21:06 |
| notmyname | so today, let's walk thought the blocks of sessions | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | goal is to have someone assigned homework for the topics mentioned to create an etherpad for it | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | in the interest of being productive with the time in tokyo, we need to have a goal for each topic | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ok, so first one | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #topic work session 1 | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work session 1 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:07 | |
| notmyname | this one is "encryption" | 21:08 |
| notmyname | Topics to cover: | 21:08 |
| notmyname | * Production Keymaster: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_production_keymaster_issues | 21:08 |
| notmyname | * Ouststanding encryption issues: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues | 21:08 |
| notmyname | good news! jrichli has already done etherpads for them :-) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | (so not much to talk about on it right now) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #topic work session 2 | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work session 2 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:08 | |
| notmyname | this one has 3 topics | 21:08 |
| notmyname | Topics to cover: | 21:09 |
| notmyname | * container sync [eran] | 21:09 |
| notmyname | * hummingbird: unifying the sync protocol [dfg, redbo] | 21:09 |
| notmyname | * global clusters [kota] | 21:09 |
| notmyname | Topics to cover: | 21:09 |
| notmyname | * container sync [eran] | 21:09 |
| notmyname | * hummingbird: unifying the sync protocol [dfg, redbo] | 21:09 |
| notmyname | * global clusters [kota] | 21:09 |
| notmyname | sorry for the double paste | 21:09 |
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| kota_ | no worries | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | missing a replica | 21:09 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | doesn't look like eran is here | 21:09 |
| notmyname | dfg_: around? | 21:09 |
| jrichli | I can pass info along to eran | 21:10 |
| notmyname | kota_: will you be able to come up with an etherpad on the global clusters topic? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | jrichli: thanks | 21:10 |
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| kota_ | yup, I'll make it after meeting. | 21:10 |
| notmyname | great | 21:10 |
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| mattoliverau | note, the list of etherpads should go: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads | 21:10 |
| notmyname | oh, and where do we put the ehterpads? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah, there too :-) | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | I'll getup a swift session section | 21:10 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | *setup | 21:11 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | dfg_: if you don't have an etherpad for talking about hummingbird, I'll make one | 21:12 |
| notmyname | (you might think that's good or bad) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | but I'm hoping we can specifically talk about making replication better by unifying the sync protocol. no reason to have a 3rd way for hummingbird. let's have 1 (well, 1 + rsync, in reality) | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | #topic work session 3 | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work session 3 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:13 | |
| notmyname | this one is on swiftclient | 21:13 |
| notmyname | Topics to cover: | 21:13 |
| notmyname | * Keystone session in swiftclient | 21:13 |
| notmyname | * swiftclient docs | 21:13 |
| notmyname | would anyone like to volunteer to make an etherpad for one or both of these? | 21:14 |
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| joeljwright | I'm happy to contribute to a docs etherpad | 21:14 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: that would be great | 21:14 |
| joeljwright | I can make some notes on the session one too | 21:15 |
| joeljwright | just aware that I won't be at the meeting | 21:15 |
| notmyname | right | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | #topic work session 4 | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work session 4 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:15 | |
| notmyname | Topics to cover: | 21:16 |
| notmyname | * rings (data placement) [clayg] | 21:16 |
| notmyname | * EC topics [peluse] | 21:16 |
| notmyname | * symlinks [hrou] | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | clayg (where is he?) has been doing some cool stuff with ring updates | 21:16 |
| notmyname | we need to talk about the improvements, and he's planning on facilitating that discussion | 21:16 |
| notmyname | peluse: will you be able to facilitate an EC discussion on outstanding issues and what's next? | 21:17 |
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| peluse | sorry, in another meeting at the same time... one sec | 21:17 |
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| peluse | so sure, yeah | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I think I heard "I'll volunteer for everything" | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | peluse: thanks :-) | 21:17 |
| briancline | including donuts? | 21:17 |
| peluse | :) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | especially donuts | 21:17 |
| briancline | great | 21:18 |
| peluse | donuts and sake.... | 21:18 |
| notmyname | and then symlinks | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | +1000 | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I put hrou's name there | 21:18 |
| notmyname | jrichli: where are all your people? | 21:18 |
| jrichli | hmm .. donno about hrou | 21:19 |
| tdasilva | they are all eating donuts | 21:19 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: figures | 21:19 |
| jrichli | i can ping him | 21:19 |
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| jrichli | his status is "in a meeting" | 21:20 |
| notmyname | probably with peluse | 21:20 |
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| peluse | yeah, sure | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:20 |
| notmyname | IIRC hrou is really interested in the symlink stuff | 21:20 |
| briancline | lol | 21:20 |
| jrichli | he'll be on soon | 21:20 |
| hrou | notmyname, yes +1 : ) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | hrou: hi | 21:20 |
| hrou | notmyname, and robfran (not online) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | hrou: can you work on putting an etherpad together for an outline of the symlink topic? | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | we need a basic flow of the discussion + specific goals so we can make sure we make good use of the time | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | (and see the previous stuff in the meeting log to see how the sessions are put together) | 21:21 |
| hrou | notmyname, absolutely ! As a quick heads up essentially the idea will be to go over the remaining etherpad issuse, I can give a quick overview of the code (to check its on the right track), that way we can make a lot of progress. | 21:21 |
| notmyname | hrou: great. thanks | 21:22 |
| hrou | notmyname, thanks a bunch ! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | in this work sessions (rings, ec, symlinks), I suspect that symlinks will take up the least amount of time | 21:22 |
| notmyname | but actually I want to come back to that in just a moment | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #topic work session 5 | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "work session 5 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:22 | |
| hrou | notmyname: I agree, maybe just a 10-15 min will suffice really, unless it leads to an interesting topic. | 21:23 |
| notmyname | Topics to cover: | 21:23 |
| notmyname | * container sharding [matt] | 21:23 |
| notmyname | * fast-POST [acoles] | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | I'll take sharding :) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | this last one is container sharding and fast-post | 21:23 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thansk :-) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: can you make one for fast-POST? | 21:23 |
| acoles | sure | 21:23 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | great, so passing out homework is done :-) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #topic overall schedule | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "overall schedule (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:23 | |
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| notmyname | on these work sessions, well, hang on.... | 21:24 |
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| mattoliverau | I've started putting together the swift section on the wiki page about etherpads.. It'll be up this morning (my time). | 21:24 |
| notmyname | basically, here's the whole view, now that we've gone through it | 21:24 |
| notmyname | https://gist.github.com/notmyname/f2f1a1ea89ba6b2d4569 | 21:24 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok, take a look at that gist | 21:24 |
| notmyname | here's the question for everyone: do the work sessions look reasonable? are the right topics grouped? is there too much in any one block? | 21:25 |
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| peluse | yeah, sure | 21:25 |
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| tdasilva | good thing we have friday in case something spills over | 21:25 |
| notmyname | peluse: :-) | 21:25 |
| torgomatic | seems okay | 21:25 |
| notmyname | yup. friday is still available | 21:25 |
| notmyname | I think session 4 will be busy, but it's doable | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | looks good to me :) | 21:26 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:26 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:26 |
| notmyname | also, if we need to end up with "ok go finish that conversation on that side of the room and we'll do another over here" I think that's fine | 21:26 |
| acoles | good plan | 21:26 |
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| hrou | looks great ! | 21:26 |
| notmyname | cool. thanks for your feedback | 21:26 |
| notmyname | here's the link for the friday etherpad: | 21:26 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-swift-contributors-meetup | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | add stuff there during the week as stuff overflows, or if there's stuff that needs to be addressed that isn't already scheduled | 21:27 |
| notmyname | and last up with scheduling... | 21:27 |
| notmyname | #topic fishbowls | 21:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fishbowls (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:27 | |
| notmyname | we've got 2 fishbowl sessions | 21:27 |
| notmyname | * ops feedback | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ** https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-swift-ops-feedback | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | this one is normal. if you've been to a summit before, you know exactly what to expect here | 21:28 |
| notmyname | any other deployer/ops quesions (or comments) you have can be added to the etherpad there | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | so what about the last fishbowl? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | since there wasn't one particular topic that we had that seemed to require a really big crowd, I wanted to do something like the work sessions | 21:29 |
| notmyname | the fishbowls are more widely advertised, so this is the time for cross-project stuff | 21:29 |
| notmyname | so I made a fishbowl session for "inbound cross project stuff" with 2 topics listed right now | 21:30 |
| notmyname | first off, what does "inbound cross project" mean? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | there's cross project stuff where we add a feature or make a change and another project needs to change | 21:30 |
| notmyname | eg trove is rewriting the chunking to use SLOs instead of DLOs. and glance could be using service tokens | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | that's "outbound". we made a change and another project is doing something | 21:31 |
| notmyname | inbound is the opposite | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | so there's a change or feature in keystone, and we need to implement it. stuff like that | 21:31 |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tokyo-swift-cross-project | 21:32 |
| notmyname | there's the ehterpad for it | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | so I've got RBAC with oslo.policy on it | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | ho: I'd love some help on filling out that part of the etherpad | 21:32 |
| ho | notmyname: thanks i will do it | 21:32 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | and the other thing I added to this session is dependencies and requirements.txt | 21:33 |
| notmyname | to bluntly summarize, what do we do about global requirements updates? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | I've also tagged this fishbowl session in the cross-project track. so I hope to have some discussions | 21:34 |
| notmyname | so...what do you think? (we can always change) | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | (this is where peluse is supposed to say "yeah, sure") | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | I think its a good use of time, good way to, hopefully, get some cross project work/networking happening too | 21:35 |
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| acoles | yes, good idea, e.g. be useful to discuss the implications of the proposed keystone service catalog change | 21:36 |
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| peluse | yeah, sure | 21:36 |
| notmyname | acoles: right. I think there's another session on that | 21:36 |
| notmyname | peluse: glad you feel that way :-) | 21:36 |
| stevemar_ | acoles: theres a whole x-project sesison on it | 21:36 |
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| acoles | notmyname: stevemar_ right, on tuesday? | 21:37 |
| acoles | think i saw that | 21:37 |
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| stevemar_ | acoles: notmyname, there's actually 2 on it: https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/e9b01e69686a60c5c61d16ee18f01391#.VigFgxCrRsY and https://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/5a48dfba5a31795682120c92473f2f1e#.VigFgxCrRsY | 21:37 |
| notmyname | tuesday has a ton of cross project stuff. so I'd definitely recommend participating in those as you see fit | 21:37 |
| acoles | yes. i guess i was thinking we (swift) may need to spend some time considering what it means. idk. | 21:37 |
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| jrichli | integrating Castellan might be something to consider discussing, but I am not sure if we have enough content yet | 21:38 |
| notmyname | acoles: I'm actually feeling better about what it means for swift. seems problematic for users, but that's a different question | 21:38 |
| notmyname | jrichli: oh? that could be good | 21:38 |
| notmyname | of course we only have 40 minutes for this second fishbowl | 21:39 |
| jrichli | i will see what we can provide | 21:39 |
| stevemar_ | notmyname: i'm sure we can come up with something where we don't break the world :) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | stevemar_: :-) | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | I think that's all I have about summit planning? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | #topic else: | 21:40 |
| acoles | stevemar_: thanks, i have those sessions on my schedule | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | what else is going on? anything we need to address before we see each other in person in a few days? | 21:40 |
| acoles | our tests are broken in places it seems :( | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | acoles: how'd that happen? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | which tests? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | when? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | TELL ME MORE!! | 21:41 |
| acoles | kilo func tests don't run | 21:41 |
| notmyname | weird dependency things? | 21:41 |
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| acoles | there's a patch to fix it but then some tests fail, i think cos something changed in devstack config of keystone users | 21:42 |
| acoles | and i aslo notices that gate-swift-docs doesn't fail on rst errors | 21:42 |
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| acoles | so some of our doc has gone missing | 21:42 |
| notmyname | acoles: is anyone but you looking at the kilo errors yet? | 21:42 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes, jordanP spotted it | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:43 |
| acoles | think it is jordanP nick, he's not here | 21:43 |
| acoles | and maybe cschwede ? | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:43 |
| notmyname | and the doc errors? | 21:43 |
| acoles | the fix is a backport of a cschwede patch but it reveals the failing tests :/ | 21:43 |
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| acoles | doc errors - well i fixed them here https://review.openstack.org/237013 but i don't yet know what to do about the gate job | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | I wonder what we can do to make the docs failures more noisy | 21:45 |
| acoles | notmyname: re func tests, we could patch kilo to skip the 5 failing tests (they test cross domain users and ACLs) so we can at least get the test job to run again?? | 21:45 |
| acoles | notmyname: does that sound acceptable? ^ | 21:46 |
| notmyname | acoles: that sounds better than where we are now | 21:46 |
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| acoles | right! | 21:46 |
| acoles | N - 5 >> 0 | 21:46 |
| acoles | :) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | yeah. but it would be good to know what's changed to cause them to stop running overall | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | why would skipping tests cause the rest to run if nothing runs now? | 21:47 |
| acoles | notmyname: i'll look at that tomorrow then. i can see where devstack fails to set things up but i dont know why it fails | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:47 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:47 |
| acoles | notmyname: 1. skip tests 2. fix the other stuff that stops tests running -> tests pass 3) figure out skipping tests | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ah, gotcha | 21:48 |
| acoles | notmyname: see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235933/ for the fix to make tests run again | 21:48 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:48 |
| notmyname | I'll take a look | 21:48 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks for bringing those up | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:49 |
| cutforth | on the "other" topic, i have one small logistical item for this meeting | 21:49 |
| acoles | i wish jenkins would fail when 0 tests are run! | 21:49 |
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| mattoliverau | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Swift | 21:49 |
| notmyname | cutforth: what's up? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:49 |
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| cutforth | just a friendly reminder that the next time this meeting is held, the US will have gone out of daylight savings time | 21:50 |
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| mattoliverau | ^ That is an initial version, place etherpad links there. | 21:50 |
| cutforth | DST stops on Nov 1 | 21:50 |
| notmyname | cutforth: thanks for the info | 21:50 |
| cutforth | unless you are in Arizona (peluse:) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | the meeting is set for UTC, so that will mean that it will relatively change for people in the US | 21:50 |
| hrou | I was going to say I didn't think all states participated in that ; ) | 21:50 |
| * cutforth remembers missing this meeting in the past | 21:50 | |
| mattoliverau | cutforth: for those of us in Australia, we went into day light savings last week | 21:50 |
| notmyname | so obviously no meeting next week. but the week after. at 21:00UTC | 21:51 |
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| mattoliverau | :P | 21:51 |
| cutforth | mattoliverau: thx | 21:51 |
| notmyname | cutforth: thanks for the reminder | 21:51 |
| cutforth | np | 21:51 |
| notmyname | last call for anything else | 21:51 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: I have a question. | 21:51 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: go ahead | 21:52 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: To discuss tiering, that I should do is writing it on "friday contributors-meetup ethrepad page" ? | 21:52 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: yes! | 21:52 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: thank you! :) | 21:53 |
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| hrou | m_kazuhiro, quick heads up we're interested in tiering as well and doing some work on it | 21:53 |
| hrou | m_kazuhiro, lets get in touch ! | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | ok, then I declare this meeting over | 21:54 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift. see you next week | 21:54 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 21 21:54:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-10-21-21.00.html | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-10-21-21.00.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-10-21-21.00.log.html | 21:54 |
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| kota_ | just fyi, NTT wll present a demo and will deal copies of our EC backend for Swift in tokyo summit. | 22:06 |
| kota_ | about http://www.ntt.co.jp/news2015/1505e/150518a.html | 22:07 |
| kota_ | please check out our booth in market place. | 22:07 |
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| kota_ | oh, sit | 22:07 |
| kota_ | I missed the channel | 22:07 |
| jrichli | :-) | 22:07 |
| kota_ | sorry for others | 22:07 |
| jrichli | i got the message tho ;-) | 22:07 |
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| kota_ | jrichili: thanks | 22:08 |
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| kota_ | i have to reraise it at openstack-swift channel | 22:08 |
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