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oneswig#startmeeting scientific-wg09:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  3 09:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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oneswigGreetings EMEAns09:01
priteauGood morning09:01
DaveHgood morning :)09:01
annabelleonabikegood morning!09:01
zz9pzzaMorning ( james@sanger)09:01
oneswigunusual nick...09:01
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oneswig#link Agenda for today (such as it is)
enolfcgood morning09:02
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oneswigHello all.  I heard from b1airo earlier but I'll give him a prod, hold on09:03
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oneswigAh, he'll be here in 10 mins, lets press on09:04
oneswig#topic COA courses for students09:05
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oneswigAnne are you here?09:05
annabelleonabikeI am!09:05
oneswigHello, thanks for coming!09:05
oneswigWould you like to talk over the course?09:05
annabelleonabikeThanks for having me!09:06
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annabelleonabikeJust a quick announcement for those who work with students! The Foundation recently launched a student pricing option for the Certified OpenStack Administrator (COA) exam. The student pricing is 50% off, and is available to current and recently graduated students who can show a current student ID, or a student ID that has expired in the last 90 days. For students and recent grads who have experience working on OpenStack,09:06
annabelleonabikeCOA is a great way for them to distinction and validation to the work they’ve done, particularly for those who are beginning to search for jobs in the industry.09:06
annabelleonabikeThere’s a page specifically for students at, but I’m more than happy to chat with anyone who has questions, or student groups/individuals about specifics. Reachable at anne@openstack.org09:07
oneswigIs it an exam only or is there online material and a syllabus to work through?09:07
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annabelleonabikeThe exam is only online, and can be scheduled at your convenience09:07
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annabelleonabikewhat’s covered on the exam is available here:
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oneswigLooks like plenty to be getting on with there...09:08
annabelleonabikewe recommend people sitting the exam have approximately 6 months experience on OpenStack, but you can also get a feel for what will be covered via the requirements, and people may feel ready to sit with less experience than that09:08
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oneswigHow do people show a student ID to qualify for the discount?09:09
annabelleonabikeGood question! There is a live proctor during your exam, and they will ask for ID. This is the time you will show the student ID09:10
annabelleonabikeIf students do not have an ID for whatever reason, any official uni document that shows current, active enrollment will suffice09:10
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oneswigAre there restrictions on the kind of student - PhD students and post-docs?09:11
annabelleonabikeNo restrictions! The rules are fairly generous since our intent was about making this accessible to current students, as well as recent graduates. If a student has graduated in the last 90 days, they are still eligilbe for the discount09:12
annabelleonabikeIf people have feedback on the requirements for receiving the discount, I’m all ears. This is mostly about giving students the opportunity to sit the exam09:12
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oneswigOne thought: it might be helpful to qualify students before they enter the exam.  What if they find at that point that their discount is invalid?09:13
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annabelleonabikeUnfortunately, the way it is set up now, their exam will end, and their fee will be applied to a full price exam09:13
zz9pzzaThe one year between buying the exam and taking might make it harder to verify09:14
annabelleonabikeThat’s a great point09:14
annabelleonabikeThe exam is able to be scheduled up to a year after purchase, so we should review how that fits with the student qualificaiton09:14
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annabelleonabikeThis is a brand new feature, so we’re still finding the roadblocks and loopholes :)09:15
zz9pzzaI am sure we can work around it if we are aware.09:16
oneswigI think it has a lot of potential, I'm happy to help with that exercise09:16
annabelleonabikeThat would be great! Would love input09:16
oneswigAny other questions/comments for annabelleonabike?09:16
oneswigannabelleonabike: how can we give feedback later - to or on a mailing list?09:17 is probably best09:17
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oneswigOK that's great.  Thanks Anne for coming to talk with the WG09:18
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oneswigI am sure this will be a useful thing at our university09:18
annabelleonabikeThanks so much!09:18
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oneswig#topic Superuser award for Research / Government09:19
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oneswigannabelleonabike also mentioned we have a new awards category09:19
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oneswigto be handed out at the keynotes in Barcelona (I guess)09:19
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annabelleonabikeYes! I’m very excited about this. The Superuser award is now broken out into four categories, including a Research/Gov category. So we’d love to see you all apply!09:19
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oneswig#link Superuser awards
oneswigEvening b1airo09:20
oneswig#chair b1airo09:20
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo oneswig09:20
alogais this self-nominating stuff?09:20
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annabelleonabikeCan be self nominated or you can nominate another org09:21
alogaannabelleonabike: tnx09:21
dariovlooks interesting!09:22
b1airoannabelleonabike - that's a mouthful, thankful for autocomplete :-)09:22
b1airothanks for coming by the way09:22
annabelleonabikethanks for having me!09:23
oneswigannabelleonabike: typically there has been a regional tie with the winning superuser.  Is that implicit or is it declared somewhere?09:24
oneswigLike CERN wins at the Paris show, NTT wins in Tokyo, AT&T in Austin, etc.09:24
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annabelleonabikeAh, that would just be conicidence. No regional influence.09:24
oneswigah ok thanks09:25
oneswigAny further discussion on this?09:25
b1airoso the news here is that there's a new category for "Research / Government" ?09:25
oneswigb1airo: that's it.  Double points for governmental research09:26
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b1airook, should nominate NeCTAR09:27
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b1airomight suggest it on our mailing list09:27
oneswigWell overdue I'd say.09:27
oneswigAnd if you win, you can buy us all a beer :-)09:27
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oneswigok, lets move on?09:28
oneswig#topic Upcoming OpenStack / HPC events09:28
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oneswigSo I put this on the agenda because they are apparently like buses, and this week I had 3 mails09:28
oneswigI thought it might be good to make an ad-hoc calendar of OpenStack and scientific computing events09:29
b1aironice idea09:29
oneswigI saw these things:09:29
b1airoor even an actual calendar... public google like?09:30
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verdurinCurious about the London one, for which I haven't seen any notification yet09:30
oneswigb1airo: Might be good, should be easy to organise09:30
priteauI suppose you all know of
oneswigSeptember 15th is Bristol OpenStack day - - not many confirmed speakers as yet09:31
oneswigSeptember 22nd is an OpenStack London meetup, but verdurin you're right it doesn't appear to be on the site yet (
b1airopriteau, no i was not aware of that o_009:32
zz9pzzaIts just after the lusre user group too.09:32
oneswigThat one is sponsored by Mellanox with an OpenStack HPC theme09:32
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oneswigI also had a mail for this OpenStack/HPC workshop in Luxembourg, December 12-15:
b1airohmm, there's a concord flying overhead bristol... bit old?09:34
oneswigb1airo: just you wait for our proud city's next supersonic airliner :-)09:34
oneswigpriteau: The events link is good but I wish it was in a form that could present more relevant content.  I'm not interested in meetups in Atlanta for example.09:36
priteauoneswig: Yes, I wish we could filter by location09:36
alogathe location filter should be a must09:36
oneswigPerhaps the thing to do is to work on refactoring this page instead of reinventing09:36
oneswigI'll note that09:37
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oneswig#action oneswig to enquire on the events page to make it more regional09:37
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oneswig... and present in ical format too so it can be slotted into a google calendar09:38
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oneswigI put this item on the agenda in case there were other events coming up in this region that people knew about?09:38
enolfc would a research/HPC category also make sense?09:39
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oneswigenolfc: It would certainly help improve the ranking of events, I'd say09:39
verdurinThat events list should also enforce showing some details about each event09:40
verdurinso you can see at a glance whether it's relevant to you.09:40
zz9pzzaIt would need to be more generic, maybe mirroring the awards "Enterprise,Public cloud service provider,Research / government organization,Telecom "09:40
oneswigverdurin: right, I saw some that were empty, full of TBD09:40
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oneswigIs this one to take to the user-committee mailing list?09:41
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DaveHseeing lots of events is great for reassurance that the community is active, but yes, filtering/localising is needed to make relevant events easier to find09:41
b1airoyep i'd say so09:41
oneswigOK I'll get onto that.  Good point DaveH09:41
oneswigAnything to add here?09:42
oneswig#topic Tracking WG activities in Trello09:43
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oneswigLate item on the agenda this one.  b1airo had a good idea of organising and tracking things better09:44
b1airopossibly worth adding that SC stuff has closed and that we have the confirmed panel and a BoF proposal submitted09:44
oneswigb1airo: on the coat-tails, good point09:44
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b1airoyeah so i set this up a while ago but haven't done much of a job of gardening it yet -
b1airomight have a go at hacking up a script that can push actions from irc logs into trello list09:46
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oneswigAh, yes.  Actions from IRC meetings ought to become tickets in Trello.  Great idea.09:46
oneswigCan the script then perform the action, I wonder?09:46
b1airoimport ai09:47
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oneswigI'm guilty of neglecting this board, will endeavour to use it more09:47
oneswigAnd I hope it'll become generally useful for any WG activities, it is open to group members09:48
b1airoit should be publicly visible, and more than happy to give other people access if they want to get involved09:48
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b1airojust didn't want to make it publicly editable to avoid spam (assuming that's a problem for trello too)09:48
oneswigb1airo: good point.09:49
zz9pzza( I really dislike trello :) )09:49
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jprso it trello more for a todo list management or is there tie in with outcomes?09:49
b1airozz9pzza, fair enough, i'm agnostic, mostly dislike working :-)09:49
oneswigjpr: it's just for recording tasks and tracking them.  A to-do list on steroids09:50
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oneswigThere's more involved/interconnected things out there but this seems to be the lightest of lightweight task trackers09:50
b1airojpr, mainly to-do, but depends on how you use it09:50
b1airoin my experience it is good for coordinating a disparate team (along with chat of course)09:51
oneswigI like this idea of coupling with the IRC meetings, good one b1airo09:51
oneswigAnything else for this before we go to AOB?09:52
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oneswig#topic Any other business09:52
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oneswigWhat's new everyone?09:52
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verdurinoneswig: any news on that white paper you mentioned a while ago?09:53
oneswigIt is coming on, I have a self-imposed deadline to get two topics to draft for expert review this week before I go on holiday next week09:54
oneswigProblem is, I started with the topic "HPC and the overhead of virtualisation", and when ever I add some content that has a bit of substance to it, I realise it's better off in one of the other sections09:55
oneswigSo it's a slow but steady process thus far.09:55
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DaveHthat's a big/wide topic09:55
oneswigI am hoping to share links to the WG from 2 weeks time09:55
oneswigDaveH: right, easy to do a big paper, hard to do a small one!09:56
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b1airohmm network hiccup09:56
oneswigwondered what we'd said...09:56
oneswigI was wondering: how is Mirantis' move to non-Kolla containerised deployment going to affect Kolla?  Good or bad for Kolla?09:56
b1airosorry about that, what was the last thing i successfully said?09:56
oneswigb1airo: about trello - coordinating a disparate team09:57
b1airobad presumably (mirantis could be contributing)09:57
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b1airook, so then i said:09:57
b1airoanyway, there's one task there that i haven't gotten back to for some time - summarising Austin etherpads09:57
b1airoi've been thinking about this and would like some help09:57
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b1airoplanning to create a new page or pages on the wiki where some condensed write-ups can be placed for posterity along with a bit of a general intro to HPC/Research computing on OpenStack09:57
b1airoe.g., maybe a w.o.o/hpc09:57
oneswigFlanders previously mentioned a "landing page" of this kind09:58
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b1airowonder if i could get any volunteers to work on summaries of any of the activity areas?09:58
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oneswigI can take user stories09:59
verdurinb1airo: suggest this on the mailing list09:59
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oneswigI think Mike Lowe offered to help on these a while back10:00
oneswigverdurin: good idea, circumvents the time zone issues of WG meetings10:00
b1airoverdurin, yep will do, mainly just wanted some feedback on this from the die hards :-)10:00
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oneswig#action b1airo to mail the list for help summarising WG activity areas10:01
verdurinI'd like to help, but I wasn't at Austin and free-time extremely limited at present10:01
oneswigThanks verdurin, could do with some help reviewing the white papers - I've got your number10:01
oneswigOK everyone, we are out of time again10:01
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oneswigLet's wrap up10:02
oneswigThanks for joining10:02
b1airoverdurin, no probs, totally sympathise with that problem10:02
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prometheanfire#startmeeting requirements11:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  3 11:59:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at
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prometheanfire#topic rollcall11:59
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prometheanfireI'll give people a minute to show up12:00
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prometheanfireanyone else?12:02
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prometheanfiretonyb, sigmavirus, prometheanfire, number80, dirk meeting time12:02
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* tonyb already o/'d12:02
prometheanfireya, removed toabctl from the end of the list :P12:03
prometheanfireanyway, one more minute12:03
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prometheanfire#topic Any controversies in the Queue?12:05
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tonybOh, wanna talk about oslo.context now?12:06
prometheanfire#info oslo.context, can we unblock?12:06
prometheanfiretonyb: want to is a strong term12:06
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prometheanfirebut yes, with the new tests I feel better about unblocking it12:07
coolsvapi am not sure if we want to unblock 2.6.0 when we have 2.7.012:07
tonybYeah I think we can land that chnage from Josh12:07
prometheanfireya, not talking about 2.6.0 specifically12:07
prometheanfireI'd rather go with 2.712:08
tonybI think nova has the compat code now, as does designate12:08
tonybtrove is good to go12:08
tonybI just recheced the u-c chnage to verify that12:08
prometheanfireboth changes should merge12:08
coolsvapyeah lets comfirm and get it merged12:08
prometheanfireone is for GR only, one for UC only12:08
number80yeah 2.7 would be good12:09
prometheanfire#info we are unblocking oslo.context12:09
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tonybwhy 2.7?12:10
tonybI need more words that that12:10
tonybpeople are saying they prefer 2.7.0 I don't understand why12:10
prometheanfireunblocking oslo.context 2.7.0 (specifically)12:11
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number80tonyb: that avoid us to introduce it as a follow-up12:11
coolsvaptonyb: wouldn't Josh's change unblock 2.7.0 for g-r ?12:11
tonyb2.7.0 isn't blocked in g-r12:11
tonybonly 2.6.0 is12:11
prometheanfirewe are talking about two things12:12
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prometheanfireone is the UC update, that's to 2.7.012:12
coolsvapgot it yeah sorry12:12
prometheanfireone is the GR update, that's oslo.context>=2.4.0,!=2.6.0 to oslo.context>=2.4.012:12
coolsvaponly 2.6.0 is blocked12:12
prometheanfirethat's allowing 2.6.0 back in there12:12
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prometheanfireI think both are good ideas12:13
tonybRight so I'd like y'all to review and as if I had a +2 on them12:14
prometheanfiretonyb: you good now?12:14
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tonybthen once the planets align we're good to merge code carefully12:14
tonybdoesn that sound reasonable?12:15
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prometheanfireok :D12:15
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prometheanfireya, that's what was intended12:15
prometheanfireat least from me12:15
coolsvapyes i thought about the same just got confused with the g-r update12:15
prometheanfireya, two similiar things12:15
tonybokay so I think oslo.context is looking good12:16
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prometheanfirenot sure there's anything else on my end, the neutron stuff was an issue that seems fixed now12:17
coolsvapnothing else from my side as well12:18
prometheanfiremove on?12:18
coolsvapi think there are two reviews for ironiclient but one matching u-c can be merged12:18
prometheanfire#topic Review Queue cleanup12:18
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prometheanfirecoolsvap: ya, that'll come as more normal updates :D12:19
prometheanfireso, I think the queue is looking alright, baring the oslo.context stuff :D12:19
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prometheanfireok, next12:20
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prometheanfire#topic additional gating12:20
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prometheanfiretonyb's change merged, we now have cross project testing :D12:21
prometheanfirewe'll need to be mindful of any additional tests we may want, but YAY12:21
tonybWe have a good PoC now we can grow support for python3 and stable branches but the master stuff is looking good12:22
coolsvapdo we still need the [WIP] change sets?12:22
prometheanfire#info tonyb's cross-project merge'd12:22
tonybcoolsvap: which [WIP] changes?12:22
prometheanfirecoolsvap: yes, those are still useful I think12:22
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tonybOh Dims' reviews?12:22
prometheanfiretonyb: indeed12:22
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tonybI think we can drop most if not all of them12:22
prometheanfire#info next we should look to python3 and stable branches12:23
coolsvapyes thats what I thought of12:23
dimsi can switch off my cron jobs12:23
tonybbut we don't need to rush anytime before Newton is released is fine IMO12:23
prometheanfiredims: ah, yes, that's true12:23
coolsvapdims: yeah we can trigger if we need additional testing12:23
dimsif you just abandon the reviews, my cron will not create fresh ones12:24
dimsso feel free to abandon when you have consensus12:24
coolsvapdims: i dont want the reviews abandoned12:24
coolsvapjust if we can stop the cron12:24
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coolsvapwe can execute as per requirement12:24
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coolsvapas we already have tests for projects where we have the uc- test jobs12:25
dimscoolsvap : they have massive amount of changesets. you should just create when needed :)12:25
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prometheanfirecoolsvap: how do you mean?12:25
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prometheanfirewe don't have cross project tests for all projects12:26
tonybI think we shoudl work towards tools that allow us to create the needed changes when we need them12:26
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tonybwe have the gate now which covers 60% of that those reviews do12:26
coolsvapprometheanfire: there is a gist shared by dims12:26
prometheanfiretonyb: yes, that'd be very useful12:27
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coolsvaptonyb: yes but again we need a mechanism to track that12:27
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prometheanfirewho want's to take that?12:28
coolsvapas long as it can be handled in gate i think its fine12:28
coolsvapbut I dont know if it can be done12:28
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tonybI'd like to see us free up dim's crontab no later than Newton release12:28
tonybso I guess that gives us a timeline to work out exactly what wee need and write it12:29
coolsvaptonyb: sure I think that would be a good milestone to target a replacement for that12:29
prometheanfireagreed, so who wants to take that? or just a note for next meeting?12:29
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dims++ leaving my cron on12:29
coolsvapdims: :)12:29
tonybcoolsvap: Ok you may have somethign specific in mind. perhaps a job/workflow that I'm not considering.  If you write up the problem description we can hash it out on IRC12:30
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tonybdims: of course you can keep crond running, just one less item ;P12:31
prometheanfire#info bring up switching to more one-off cross-project tests next meeting12:31
coolsvaptonyb: yes I will write it12:31
tonybcoolsvap: Thanks.12:31
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dimsk you all decide and let me know :)12:31
prometheanfire#action coolsvap to write up problem description for one-off cross-project testing12:32
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prometheanfire#topic u-c for setuptools and sometimes wheel - odyssey4me12:34
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prometheanfirehe mentioned that this was still wip, so will be taken up next week12:34
odyssey4meapologies - I haven't had the time to do this, please carry the action item12:34
odyssey4mefeel free to drop it from the agenda and I'll raise it again once I have a patch in review12:35
prometheanfire#action odyssey4me u-c for setuptools and sometimes wheel12:35
prometheanfireok, next12:35
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prometheanfire#topic Tasks from Etherpad12:35
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prometheanfire#info ptl nomination12:36
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tonybThe new list/format for the requirements-tasks looks good12:37
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tonybThanks prometheanfire12:37
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prometheanfirefor the ptl thing12:37
tonybI don't think we can drop anything as done (yet)12:37
prometheanfireya, don't think so :P12:38
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prometheanfirewe can choose to either select a ptl among ourselves and put just one forward or move forward with the vote12:38
prometheanfirenot sure we have enough to vote among ourselves12:39
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tonybI think we just do the CIVS thing, we've aleady started down that path, changing now looks silly12:39
prometheanfireya, was think as much12:40
prometheanfirejust wanted to put it forward12:40
prometheanfireso, next?12:40
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prometheanfire#topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings12:41
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prometheanfirecoolsvap: has next meeting12:42
prometheanfiretonyb: number80 ? can either of you take it?12:42
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tonybprometheanfire: checking dates12:43
* coolsvap cannot take on 17th, i might be PTO12:43
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prometheanfiretonyb: ya, it is the 17th12:43
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tonybprometheanfire: Yeah I can do 17th, probably not 24th12:44
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prometheanfireok, that works12:44
prometheanfire#action tonyb to chair the meeting on the 17th12:45
prometheanfire#topic Open Discussion12:45
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prometheanfirenumber80: did you want to talk about optional reqs?12:45
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coolsvapi think number80 is not actively participation, he's in a conference he mentioned12:47
prometheanfireya, just wanted to give the opertunity :P12:48
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number80yeah, crappy conference wifi, it's super slow12:48
prometheanfireanyone else?12:48
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prometheanfireI think so12:49
prometheanfirewill give 1 more min12:49
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  3 13:02:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:03
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joehuang#info joehuang13:03
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:03
Yipei#info Yipei13:03
yinxiulin#info yinxiulin13:03
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joehuang#topic feature progress review13:04
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joehuanghello, let's talk about our feature implemtation progressss13:05
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yinxiulin I finished microversion debugging and unit testing code13:05
joehuango, xiulin, good progress13:05
yinxiulinthanks :)13:05
joehuangis there any challenge?13:06
yinxiulinyes, a bit13:06
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Yipeii finish my paper, i begin coding now, and i think i can finish it on time13:06
joehuangyou can submit small patch by patch13:07
zhiyuanfor l3 networking in shared vlan network, the code is almost done, but need more tests. i think i can submit the patch in late early next week13:07
yinxiulinThe main quesion is not  familiar tricirecle13:07
joehuangno need to wait until the whole feature implemented13:07
joehuangto xiulin, understand, you will be familar with it after you submit a patch, and know how it works13:09
Yipeii will submit a patch soon13:09
joehuangto zhiyuan, good job!13:09
joehuangto yipei, look forward to your patch13:09
Yipeisome problem13:09
yinxiulinok , no problem13:10
Yipeiabout the filter_handler in nova13:10
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Yipeii plan to design a filter which filters all the available pods13:12
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Yipeii try to learn the logic of filter_handler13:12
zhiyuando you mean a filter that return all the pods?13:13
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joehuangI think it should be a filter by AZ, and if AZ is not specifed, then all will be returned13:14
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joehuangis it necessary to have a filter return all pods?13:15
Yipeino, i just want to finish the framework13:15
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zhiyuanso that's a dummy filter13:16
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Yipeiother logics of filters can be implemented in the future13:16
Yipeii think the logic should be designed in a function, which filters the pods13:17
joehuanghmm, I need to read your source code to understand your code design13:17
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Yipeican i submit a patch which is not fully implemented?13:18
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joehuangof course, with [WIP] in the patch title13:18
joehuangmeans it's still work in progress13:18
yinxiulindo i need with [WIP] in the patch title13:19
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Yipeiok, got it13:20
joehuangok, xiulin13:20
Yipeii think i can submit a WIP patch13:20
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joehuangpods and podbindings have already ben implemented, but the documentation is not there, could dongfeng to submit a documentaion on these two features?13:21
Yipeiok, i will tell him about it13:22
joehuangthe documentation needs to be updated for new added features, especially pods/podbindings/routings13:22
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joehuang#action update the tiricircle API documentation about pods/podbindings/routings13:24
Yipeiok, got it, i will tell him to follow the template13:24
joehuang#topic open discussion13:24
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joehuangother topics?13:24
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Yipeino for me13:25
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joehuangok, thank you for attending the meeting, let's end the meeting earlier today13:25
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tommylikehuconnection test13:55
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krotscheck#startmeeting javascript14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  3 14:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at
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krotscheckThere we go14:00
krotscheck#chair vkramskikh14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: krotscheck vkramskikh14:00
krotscheckGood morning everyone!14:00
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msmolmornin' all14:01
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krotscheckGood evening to our colleages in the european theater14:01
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krotscheckGood OMG why are you awake to yuyunz and larainema14:01
krotscheckyujunz iI mean14:01
krotscheckWow, typing fail14:02
krotscheck#topic Action: JSDoc Sphinx (yujunz)14:02
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* krotscheck doesn't see a yujunz around14:02
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krotscheckWe'll revisit this in a bit14:02
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krotscheck#topic Eslint-Config-Openstack 2015 (betherly, vkramskikh)14:03
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krotscheckLooks like the new ruleset landed.14:03
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krotscheckWe've also got betherly's new patch for Eslint3 here
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timothyb89hello all14:03
krotscheckHey timothyb89!14:03
betherlythanks for linking to that krotscheck14:03
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krotscheckSo, eyeballs on that, let's try to get a release out this week so we can update the js-lib14:04
krotscheckbetherly: Is there anything that you'd like to bring up about that topic??14:04
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betherlybasically just that if people could take a look at the eslint patch as soon as they are able so we can get it merged and sort out the release14:05
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msmolwill do14:05
cardeoisyup justed voted !14:06
cardeois(oh and hi everybody !)14:06
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betherlyalso, - do we want it in this release?14:06
betherlythanks msmol cardeois :D14:06
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krotscheck#topic Keystone Client14:07
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krotscheckFirst of all, apologies to msmol for not actually getting a chance to review his code :(14:07
msmolno problem krotscheck14:07
krotscheckIt sounds like you have a blocker though, and that's a dependency on larainema's glance work14:07
msmolreview is ehre for anyone interested:
krotscheckSo I moved it up in the agenda14:07
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msmoland yes, the blocker is fetch-mock, which I was unable to get working14:08
msmoland I haven't had much of a chance to work on it since last week, so any help here would be much appreciated14:08
krotscheckAnyone here have experience with fetch mock?14:08
* krotscheck doesn't, but is willing to try.14:08
msmolthanks krotscheck14:09
krotscheck#action krotscheck to get fetch-mock working14:09
vkramskikhI did, will try to have a lokk, though I'm still busy with fuel14:09
krotscheckmsmol: Note, I'll probably create a separate patch _just_ to get fetch-mock working, so I don't have too many deltas to manage.14:09
msmolsounds good to me14:10
krotscheckI'll rebase your work if you're not around14:10
krotscheckAny other questions on that?14:10
krotscheckMoving on14:11
krotscheck#topic Action: Glance client ( larainema )14:11
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krotschecklarainema: Any updates? (are you awake? ;) )14:11
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krotscheck#topic SDK Session at the summit (krotscheck)14:13
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krotscheckRight, so a bit of movement here.14:13
krotscheckI've talked to a few different people, and we potentially have two different homes for an SDK hack session14:13
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krotscheckLate august, there'll be an open call for cross-project sessions. That's the first14:14
krotscheckI'd prefer we work there, because it will generally not overlap with other team sessions.14:14
krotscheckIt'll also be earlier in the week, so we will have brains14:14
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krotscheckThe second home is infra. fungi's been kind to offer us SDK hack time in the infra sessions, however those will overlap with other teams'.14:14
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cardeoisYeah I guess it makes more sense to work on the first one14:15
krotscheckAlso, we've got interest from the IOpenstack, Shade, libcloud teams as well.14:15
cardeoisDo you know what potential day would it be?14:15
krotscheckSo we may get more than one hour, and we will likely have to share space (which is not a bad thing)14:15
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krotscheckcardeois: Hard to say with the new compressed schedule (T-F), but in the past the x-project sessions have been on the first day of the design summit14:16
krotscheck(As opposed to the openstack conference, which overlapped in weird ways)14:16
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cardeoisAlright cool ! thanks for taking this point, this will help a lot I think14:17
krotscheckAnyway- takeaway from this is for us to pay attention to the dev list, and jump as soon as the call for x-project sessions goes out (around the 25th I believe).14:17
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krotscheckThere's been talk about an SDK midcycle14:17
krotscheckThe last that conversation left off, it would be either right before, or right after, the boston design summit.14:17
krotscheckI'm not certain I like the idea of two weeks travel14:18
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fungiultimately, when there comes to exist an sdk team recognized by teh tc, repos like this can move there14:18
fungishade too, probably14:18
krotscheckSo I'll poke flanders to see if I can get a better idea of dates.14:18
krotscheckfungi: As long as those are SDK's built by the community, yeah. external ones would be a bit harder.14:18
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krotscheck#action krotscheck Check with flanders on state of conversation with SDK midcycle14:19
krotscheckThat's it for me, any questions?14:19
krotscheckAlright, moving on.14:20
fungikrotscheck: right, i specifically meant openstack sdks currently adopted by the infra team14:20
krotscheckfungi: Right14:21
krotscheck#topic DSVM Job14:21
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krotscheckMy first comment on this is that I really need to pull the DSVM Patch out of the patch chain that also lands documentation14:21
cardeoisYeah so on my side, I'm waiting for reviews of that:
cardeoisBut it's still not clear how we'll read clouds congis14:21
krotscheck'cause dependencies14:21
cardeoisYeah I saw your patch and didn't understand why documentation was there14:22
krotscheckcardeois: It was what I was working on at the time.14:22
krotscheck#action krotscheck Separate DSVM and Doc job patches14:22
krotscheckThe cloud config issue breaks down into two parts- where do we read it from, and how do we get it into a browser, yes?14:23
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cardeoisYes, but for the browser, I can handle that in js-openstack-lib14:23
krotscheckclouds.yaml has three canonical locations. /etc/openstack/cloud.yaml, ~/.config/openstack/clouds.yaml, ./clouds.yaml14:24
* krotscheck may have typod one of those.14:24
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krotscheckNow, the first of those is generated when devstack starts up.14:24
larainemaSorry all, I am driving from airport to pick up my friends, the flight delay, so I might missing this time, will update my status later on JavaScript channel14:24
krotschecklarainema: No worries, thanks!14:25
krotscheckMy question is, does it make sense for us, as developers, to add location detection for that file?14:25
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cardeoiskrorscheck But what about this comment from Monty:
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cardeoisYeah, that's the big question. So we have 2 choices, either we read this file, or we source files in "~stack/devstack/accrc/" to create the clouds.yaml ourselves14:26
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krotscheckWell, I still like using clouds.yaml14:26
cardeoisWe have to make a choice in order to progress and merges those reviews. For the js-op[enstack-part, I can handle both solutions14:26
krotscheckAnd I'm thinking of the dev use case.14:27
cardeoisok so let's use that, I think it's cool too14:27
krotscheckSo I have a devstack VM somewhere - in a cloud, locally, etc.14:27
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krotscheckAnd infra has a devstack VM somewhere, and it tells us where that is via clouds.yaml14:27
krotscheckMaybe we actually have the clouds.yaml test helper test the various locations where it's supposed to be, and if it detects one anywhere it uses that?14:27
krotscheckThat way, if I run npm functional-test, it'll pick up my ~/.config/openstack/clouds.yaml instead and has no problems with the tests.14:28
cardeoisNo we can't do that, because browser support it needs to know so webpack can preprocess the content. (Check my review
vkramskikhI like this idea, though we need to think how to make it work in browser tests14:29
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krotscheckvkramskikh: Yeah, that's the second part14:29
krotscheckWhich I think cardeois already has a solution for.14:29
krotscheck(Do you?)14:29
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cardeoisI handled the second part yeah, using webpack plugin so I do
cardeoisAnd for node part:
krotscheckGot it. vkramskikh, is that what you're looking for?14:31
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vkramskikhyes it is, I'll take a look14:31
cardeoisSo as we use "require" I can't do any "if" to silently fail if the file doesn't exist. So this CLOUDS_YAML needs to be setup properly (but the post-test-hook script could check the existences of the files and set the proper env variable)14:31
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krotscheckcardeois: Can we throw an explosive exception? "Hey, we don't have a configuration, go fix this"14:33
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cardeoisMaybe, but I can't check in the js code 3 different location and not fail on the first one (I think).14:34
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persiaThose locations have a priority order, so it is safe to fail after finding the first one.14:34
krotscheckWell, we're looking for a specific cloud name though, right?14:35
persiaThe order is ./clouds.yaml, ~/.config/openstack/couds.yaml, /etc/openstack/clouds.yaml14:35
krotscheck"devstack", "devstack-admin"14:35
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krotscheckSo it might be safe to try (and fail) to read them all, and if the merged output of all those files doesn't include the config names we're looking for, fail.14:35
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persiaIs there anything in the format specification that prevents duplicate conflicting information being present in the merge result?  That would be unusual for that class of file search.14:36
cardeoisYeah I'll check if I can do that, but I don't guarantee anything. Also don't forget this code is for tests only, so we're more in control. As we don't want to include js-yaml library in the dependencies14:36
krotscheckI get that.14:36
krotscheckWe'll see what you come up with. Maybe split your work into two different patches so we can focus on each?14:37
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krotscheckpersia: No, but there's precedent in the JS community. eslint, for instance, will allow cascading overrides where the higher items in the priority queue will win.14:37
cardeoisMy point being I'm not sure it's that useful to implement the merge thing, as it will be more complex14:37
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krotscheckcardeois: Up to you.14:39
krotscheckcardeois The basic config name and structure is in my DSVM patch comment.14:39
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cardeoisok, but please let me know if you have any comment on the actual review so I can update it in the same time14:40
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krotscheckcardeois: Willdo.14:40
krotscheck#action krotscheck, vkramskikh: Review
krotscheckAnything else on this?14:40
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cardeoisnope I think we're good14:40
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krotscheck#topic developer.openstack.org14:43
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krotscheckI bring this up as an information point14:43
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krotscheckWe'll likely be linked from the front page of once we do our first release.14:43
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krotscheckI'm starting the necessary conversations.14:43
krotscheckSo, be warned :)14:43
krotscheckLots of exposure :)14:44
krotscheck#topic Open Discussion14:44
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krotscheckLots of time for open discussino today!14:44
cardeoisAwesome !14:44
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cardeoisI've nothing to say sorry14:45
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krotscheckvkramskikh: Anything from Fuel land?14:45
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vkramskikhkrotscheck: nothing for now14:46
krotscheckThere's a bit of a dust-up on the dev list on whether fuel should be a part of the big tent.14:46
vkramskikhnope, it's about fuel-ccp :)14:46
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vkramskikhfuel is in big tent already :)14:46
krotscheckOh, alrightey14:46
krotscheckvkramskikh: Does fuel still have the single-vendor tag?14:46
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vkramskikhdon't know about these tags but contributions from non-mirantis guys are not frequent14:47
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vkramskikhso yes, Fuel is developed mostly by single vendor14:47
krotscheckvkramskikh: Right, that's the big argument right now: Should single-vendor projects be kicked out of the big tent after a certain period.14:48
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* krotscheck just wants to make sure the fuel team continues to contribute to us :)14:49
vkramskikhI believe we will :) though I'll mostly be busy with Fuel feature until the end of august14:50
krotscheckOne topic I'd like to address: We need to put nova, neutron, and cinder on the code agenda :)14:50
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krotscheckI think that completes the basic cloud functions - log in, provision node from image, attach to network, attach drive....14:50
krotscheckAnd, in a perfect world, I'd like all of that to ship with our Newton release.14:51
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krotscheckWhich means 2.2 months14:51
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vkramskikhI think we need to finish with keystone client and devstack testing patches, and other clients will be implemented faster14:54
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msmolreviews for keystone very much welcome ;-)14:54
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krotscheck#action everyone: Review keystone client :)14:54
cardeoisYes, keystone one will take some time to agree on something well structured, but once it's done it will be fast yest14:54
krotscheckI'm wondering if it might make more sense for us to write the "Getting started" documentatino first, so we can agree on how we want the world to use our lib.14:55
krotscheckAnd then implement that14:55
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msmolthat might be a very good idea14:55
* msmol rephrases: "that *is* a very good idea14:56
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krotscheckAlright, I'll get that started. Even so, let's get msmol's patch reviewed.14:56
krotscheck#action krotscheck Start the "Getting Started" documentaiton14:56
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krotscheckAlright, lack of topics means we're done.14:57
krotscheckThanks everyone!14:57
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Zaraanyone about for the fantabulous StoryBoard meeting?14:59
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krotscheckZara: We've got an internal-restructuring all hands thingie.15:00
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Zarasounds like fun :(15:00
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Zarawell, this meeting is going to be short, anyway, since SotK is on holiday15:01
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Zara#startmeeting storyboard15:01
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Zaraor even15:03
Zara#topic Announcements15:03
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ZaraWe're planning a js-storyboard meetup on the 15th of August. it's mainly to get our js things up to date, etherpad here:
Zarathe usual 'add cakes that you want' applies15:03
Zaraprobably good to say if you're attending so we can get an idea of numbers, though I imagine it'll look much the same as our last js meetup15:04
ZaraI've drafted the contents but edit at will!15:05
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Zarathat's all on that from me15:05
Zara#topic urgent items15:05
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Zaranone listed, speak now or forever hold your peace15:05
betherlyi will add an attendees section to the etherpad for people to add names15:05
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Zarayay, thanks! :)15:06
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Zara#topic In-Progress Work15:06
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ZaraSotK is on holiday.15:06
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ZaraI gather he is making progress with an Events Timeline for boards and worklists, though there's nothing up in review yet15:06
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Zaraand the complex priorities UI currently looks like this:
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ZaraI've -1d for some small things, but I think it's nearrrrly there15:07
Zarathen storyboard will be able to express complex priority15:08
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Zaranot sure it's been done like this before, so that should be interesting15:08
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Zaraas for me...15:08
ZaraI've been continuing working on our dear little python client15:08
Zarathere are some patches over here:15:09
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Zaraat this point it's possible to do most of the things you can do via the web UI via the python client, for folks that prefer using a terminal15:09
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Zarathere are still some gaps (changing worklists is the biggest remaining), and some odd things, but it should still be useful15:10
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ZaraI've also been working on a rudimentary commandline interface for it15:11
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Zarasince at the moment it needs to be imported into a script to run15:11
ZaraI'm not sure exactly how this should work, and I think it's up to people with this workflow to give some input there15:12
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Zarasince personally, I'd use the web ui15:12
Zarabut we get a lot of questions about the api and scripting for it, so I know there's interest, and this kind of thing will make people's lives easier15:13
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Zarathe idea is to be able to say on the commandline, 'for all stories with description foo, apply tag bar'15:13
Zarawhich you can currently do, this just should make it easier.15:14
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Zaraother things...15:15
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Zaragerrit-integration patches are believed ready for merge, and should hopefully be merged the next time gerrit needs a restart15:15
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Zarasince they require a restart, so makes sense to get maximum use out of the downtime15:16
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Zarathanks everyone for your help with those!15:16
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Zaradoes anyone want to mention anything I've missed?15:17
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Zara#topic Open Discussion15:18
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ZaraAnyone have anything to discuss?15:18
ZaraI had a couple of storyboard-dev things I'm interested in working out what we need to do for15:19
Zaraerm, horrible sentence15:19
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Zarabut it's also not urgent so I'm fine with waiting 'til more people are around15:19
Zara(I was thinking about getting started on seeding it with lots of data, and sorting out the certificates)15:20
Zarathose are things we'll need infra help with and right now I don't know what the first steps there are15:21
Zaraso yeah, fine to defer it to a time when people are less busy, that's just here for the logs15:21
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Zaraanyone else have anything?15:21
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Zaraokay, meeting ends in15:22
Zarameeting over!15:23
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:00
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tommylikehuevening in asia16:01
smcginnisPrivsep support has been enabled in rootwrap, so our libraries can be released again.16:01
smcginnisOne requested for os-brick.16:01
dulek_tommylikehu: We're using UGT. ;)16:01
hemnasmcginnis, w00t16:01
e0negreat news!16:01
smcginnisWe'll probably need a cinderclient release some time soon as well.16:02
smcginnisI think we are about three weeks away from non-client library freeze.16:02
smcginnisThen one more week for client library freeze.16:02
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smcginnisSo let me know if/when anything critical gets in either of those and we can make sure we have a release done to get it available.16:03
hemnaif we can get some more eyes on the windows connectors in os-brick then, that'd be nice16:03
hemnaI know Lucian has been trying hard to get those in for a while16:03
smcginnishemna: +116:03
smcginnisOther than that, the usual...16:03
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smcginnis#link review tracking16:03
smcginnisLet's try to get through those priorities.16:04
smcginnisOK, that's all I have for announcements.16:04
smcginnis#topic Removal of bdd driver16:04
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* bswartz is here late16:04
smcginnisDuncanT: Take er away16:04
DuncanTSo this test has been failing since forever16:04
e0neDuncanT: not forever16:05
e0neDuncanT: we've fixed one issue last month16:05
tommylikehuhow long16:05
smcginnisQuite a long time then. :)16:05
hemnaforever - 116:05
DuncanTOk, well as far back as my search went16:05
hemnaso almost forever16:05
scottdaDuncanT: I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate16:05
* bswartz lols16:05
DuncanTI think it should be treated as any other failing CI16:05
e0neDuncanT: we have a fix for job in tempest and we're hitting with tempest team to get it merged16:05
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e0neDuncanT: I can fix job today by skipping 4 tests in job config16:06
hemnaDuncanT, +116:06
DuncanTe0ne: Ok, can you post a link up to that, please?16:06
smcginnise0ne: Do you have a link to that tempest patch?16:06
e0neDuncanT: or get tempest patch merged16:06
DuncanTI'd rather see the skips added that the test ocnstantly failing, personally16:06
e0nelast failure is not related to the patch16:06
eharneythis driver has always been an odd case since it has no way to support online snapshots, which means it can't pass all tempest tests AFAIK16:06
e0neeharney: it supports snapshots16:07
eharneye0ne: i just looked at the code... it checks for status != 'available'16:07
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e0neeharney: oh.. you're right about online snapshots16:08
e0neeharney: but is it minimum features set?16:08
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smcginnisIf we can get the skips in there for the failing tests, at least we would then be testing most of the driver functionality until the tempest changes make it through.16:08
eharneyi don't know, i'm just pointing out for context that it's not like a quick fix is going to make this pass all tests16:08
e0nehere is tempest regexp to run tests for job DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX="^(?!.*(volume_in_use|test_volume_boot_pattern)).*volume"16:09
e0neI'll add skip for current failures until tempest patch will be fixed16:09
jgriffitheharney: true, and this has been the debate about this driver for a while.  It truly "can't" do a number of things16:09
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e0nejgriffith: +116:10
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smcginnisAnd just one project (thinks it) needs it, IIRC.16:10
jgriffithI just have to ask....16:10
eharney...for performance reasons which don't have data behind them16:10
jgriffithWhat's our policy now on drivers then?16:10
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jgriffithIf you can't do everything, or pass tests you can just "skip"?16:11
smcginnisjgriffith: Must meet the minimum requirements, but this is grandfathered in I guess.16:11
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e0neeharney: just ask me if community needs performance tests data16:11
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DuncanTe0ne: We've asked for performance tests multiple times16:11
eharneye0ne: i dunno about "needs", but i've never seen convincing evidence that thin LVM wouldn't work fine for this case16:11
erlonsmcginnis: Is online snapshots in the minimum requiriments? I don't think so16:11
smcginniseharney: That's my memory of past discussions.16:11
e0neeharney, DuncanT: ok, I'll ask our team to do performance testing for it16:12
smcginniserlon: No, online is not specified.16:12
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eharneysmcginnis: well, not explicitly, but it is by the test suite16:12
smcginnise0ne: And show a difference between bdd and just using the LVM driver.16:12
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e0nesmcginnis: sure16:12
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DuncanTOnline isn't specified currently. We should possibly make it explicit in future?16:12
jgriffithe0ne: I've suggested in the past that a better direction may be to skip the tgt if the volume is local to nova16:12
hemnaif the drivers were out of tree.........16:12
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e0nehemna: :)16:13
jgriffithe0ne: so that driver could be made to work in any case.16:13
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e0nejgriffith:are you talking about skipping tgt got LVM?16:13
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jungleboyjhemna: Really?16:13
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smcginnisjgriffith: I like that idea.16:14
jgriffithe0ne: yes, modify LVM driver, such that if the VG is local to the compute node just export the dev file and do NOT create a target16:14
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e0nejgriffith: interesting. we need to test performance for it16:14
jgriffithe0ne: there's a good deal of logic needed to coordinate all of that on the Nova side16:14
e0nedata I/O performance16:14
smcginnisSeems a lot simpler than maintaining a whole separate driver.16:14
eharneysomeone has proposed this and got a lot of grumpy replies, IIRC16:14
jgriffithe0ne: the BS excuse I got last time was that LVM wasn't performant enough16:14
eharneythere's a spec somewhere for it16:14
jgriffitheharney: are you thinking of the shared LVM thing maybe?16:15
bswartzjgriffith: was the poor performance because it was thick perhaps?16:15
jgriffitheharney: there was a proposal to do LVM on a SAN shared to all compute nodes16:15
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jgriffithbswartz: I don't think there was ever any data behind it16:15
erloneharney: FWIW, tempest is not testing online snapshots, the fail in bdd its another problem16:16
jgriffithe0ne: nice find16:16
DuncanTeharney: normally people propose removing the tgt completely from the driver (having an LVM local-only driver) which I give 'grumpy' replies to16:16
eharneyerlon: pretty sure that test_volume_boot_pattern tests that16:16
bswartzsure but any anecdotes about poor performance could easily be because someone tried it with thick LVs16:16
eharneybswartz: right16:16
tbarronbe nice to be able to configure it to do tgt even if local (useful for testing in all-in-one) but that's easy enough16:17
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DuncanTtbarron: +116:17
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erloneharney: hmm, I looked test_snapshots*, you are righ16:17
smcginnisOK, so for the topic at hand, e0ne will skip tests while tempest patch is being worked and see about getting performance comparison to show why LVM can't just be used.16:17
e0nethe spec above ^^ was -1'ed because of lack of perf tests result16:17
smcginnisWe can revisit in a week or two to make sure issues have been addressed.16:17
jgriffithI"m sorry but I don't think your Nova Instance is going to be pushing any of this hard enough to make a performance difference but whatever16:18
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e0ne#actio so for the topic at hand, e0ne will skip tests while tempest patch is being worked and see about getting performance comparison to show why LVM can't just be used.16:18
smcginnisBut I think if it continues failing we do need to treat it like any other driver with long failing CI.16:18
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e0ne#action so for the topic at hand, e0ne will skip tests while tempest patch is being worked and see about getting performance comparison to show why LVM can't just be used.16:18
smcginnise0ne: Thanks16:18
e0nesmcginnis: +116:18
smcginnisDuncanT: good?16:18
e0newe implemented CI for bdd last year and will try to get it working16:18
DuncanTI was just fed up of seeing the test failing and no apparent progress :-)16:18
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smcginnis#topic Noncompliant driver removal16:19
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smcginnisSo last week I put up patches to remove four drivers.16:19
smcginnisTwo of them have resolved their CI issues and are stable(ish) again.16:19
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smcginnisOf the two remaining, Scality has responded to the ML post and is working on fixing things.16:20
e0nedo we verify how many tests are runned by 3rd party CI's?16:20
jgriffithe0ne: no we don't16:20
smcginnisTegile has been absent,16:20
bswartze0ne: that would require standardizing the log format for CIs16:20
jgriffithe0ne: at least not programmatically or anything16:20
* jungleboyj can see people getting their pitchforks .16:20
smcginnise0ne: I occasionally spot check to make sure they aren't defaulting to LVM and that they are running the right tests.16:20
jgriffithbswartz: which we did, and also added req for subunit report16:20
bswartzo rly?16:21
e0nesmcginnis: yea, I do the same during reviews16:21
bswartzthen it shouldn't be too difficult to automatically verify16:21
hemnaIt would be nice if the tempest runs would dump out a at the end16:21
hemnathat can be consumed programatically16:21
smcginnishemna: Hmm, interesting.16:21
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hemnawe could correlate that to the individual driver runs16:21
hemnaonce we get  in16:21
smcginnisANyway... I'm willing to give Scality a little more time if folks are OK with that.16:22
jgriffithhemna: what about scraping that?16:22
smcginnisThey responded right away and are at least trying to be responsive.16:22
hemnayah that might work16:22
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smcginnisBut Tegile is MIA, so I think we've gone the declared grace period and this should be pushed through.16:22
hemnathat's generated by ostestr right ?16:22
jungleboyjsmcginnis: If they are responding and active I think that is fine.16:22
hemnamaybe it can puke out a dict as well ?16:22
smcginnisAny objections to either?16:22
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_alastor_smcginnis: +116:22
jungleboyjsmcginnis: +116:23
hemnaok Tegile is to go?16:23
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smcginnisTegile to be removed, Scality to get a little more time.16:23
jgriffithhemna: yep16:23
xyang1smcginnis: +116:23
DuncanTsmcginnis: +1 tegile +1 scality16:23
bswartzyeah too bad for Tegile, but making an example of somebody will help motivate others to keep their CIs compliant16:24
smcginnisOK, good.16:24
erlonsmcginnis: +1 I think its ok, but I think it would be nice to include the CI maintainer's emails in the next removal warnings16:24
* hemna peeks inside os-testr code...16:24
smcginnisbswartz: Yeah, really is unfortunate, but ok well.16:24
smcginniserlon: I didn't include it on purpose.16:24
smcginnisIf they are not paying attention to their CI...16:25
erlonsmcginnis: o really?16:25
smcginnisAnd not paying attention to patches proposed against their drivers...16:25
DuncanThemna: Maybe spit out the results as json in a comment in the HTML? That would be easy to parse without causing more files to be produced?16:25
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smcginnisAnd not paying attention to mailing list posts with their company name in the title..16:25
erlonsmcginnis: hmmm got it16:25
smcginnisThen they are obviously not participating in the community nor making sure their support is goo.16:25
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hemnaDuncanT, sure whatevs.  I just want some data that doesn't have to be screen scraped16:26
_alastor_hemna: The number of tests is already pretty easy to scrape from the tempest output directly...16:26
smcginnisSo I'm not willing to chase these folks down anymore to try to get them to step up.16:26
erlonhemna: have yu seem my comment in you patch?16:26
jungleboyjI think this process has been going on for long enough that it shouldn't surprise anyone.16:26
hemnaerlon, hbsd stuffs ?16:26
erlonhemna: yep16:27
hemnaI'm not sure what to do about that16:27
DuncanTI, and even more so Mike, went to fairly heroic efforts in the past to chase people down. I don't think it's sane to keep doing so16:27
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smcginnisDuncanT: +100016:27
_alastor_DuncanT: +116:27
hemnaDuncanT, +116:27
jungleboyjDuncanT: +116:27
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hemnathere really isn't a reason to.16:27
jungleboyjMade more sense when it was a new requirement.16:27
smcginnisWe've spent way too much of our time trying to get companies to be good about this.16:27
hemnaif a maintainer is participating in the community, there shouldn't be any reason to chase at all16:27
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e0nehemna: +116:28
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smcginnisThe reality is if they are not willing to put in minimal effort, there's no reason we need to work hard to help them out.16:28
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smcginnishemna: +116:28
DuncanTIt is a fair bit of effort just monitoring CIs and following up to see which ones aren't actually reporting... having to then chase people becomes soul destroying, and certainly isn't a good use of time16:28
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smcginnisDuncanT: I agree completely.16:28
tommylikehunext one?16:28
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smcginnisNext what?16:29
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smcginnisThat's it on the agenda. Anyone else have anything? Or should I open it up to the bikeshedding portion of the program?16:29
hemna_alastor_, the html is pretty repeptitive, I just think json would be safer in the long run16:29
e0netommylikehu: do you have any topic more?16:30
tommylikehuactually no~16:30
tommylikehunew here16:30
smcginnis#topic Discussion16:30
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smcginnisAnything else to discuss? Or should we end early?16:30
* smcginnis is kind of hungry today...16:30
erlonJust one point Id like to mention16:31
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tommylikehuhow about the mascot16:31
flip214I'd like to post another big "Thank you" to all the core devs that do reviews! It's quite some work, and (I guess) we all appreciate it!16:31
smcginnistommylikehu: Oh, thanks for the reminder!16:31
_alastor_hemna: I was talking about the tox output eg: tox -e all -- volume | tee -a console.log.out or whatever the file is normally16:31
smcginnisflip214: Thanks!16:31
erlonthis is changing a lot of drivers, I need the mainteiners to give a a look16:31
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smcginnisI gave the survey results to the logo team. They will have something for us to look at soon I think.16:31
DuncanT_alastor_: Unfortunately the location and format of that info is not consistent between different CIs :-(16:32
smcginnisHorse/donkey was the clear winner.16:32
xyang1erlon: how can you get all CI's to pass on that one patch?16:32
hemnaAssBrick !16:32
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DuncanTsmcginnis: I was disappointed to see there wasn't a 'Stay as we are' option on the survey16:32
smcginnisI made sure to share xyang1's concerns about having a donkey though, so I've been going with "general equestrian animal". :)16:32
erlonxyang1: that actually toook several runs, not sure all CIs run on it tough16:32
smcginnisDuncanT: I've certainly shared that as well.16:32
hemnasmcginnis, lame!16:32
flip214erlon: what's the correct way to have a driver restore a snapshot with the correct (new) size, then?16:32
xyang1smcginnis: :)16:33
erlonxyang1: there are some CIs that are broken16:33
smcginnisAnd they recognized our existing logo as being a very good one.16:33
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hemnaplease be that16:33
smcginnishemna: +116:33
jungleboyjhemna: Nice.16:33
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erlonflip214: well extending as some drivers  are doing is ok, but that is a common solution that should fit for all16:33
e0nehemna: not bad16:34
jungleboyjI swear that Donkey is smiling.16:34
bswartzhemna: is that more of a comment about the foundation's mascot initiative in general?16:34
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smcginnis#link Clone/snapshot size patch16:34
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hemnabswartz, no comment......16:34
smcginniserlon: Thanks!16:34
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smcginnisjungleboyj: He's winking at you too. :P16:34
erlonsmcginnis: welcome16:34
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Hey baby16:34
smcginniserlon: Did you see there's a merge conflict on that now.16:35
smcginnisAlong with a few dozen other patches...16:35
erlonsmcginnis: yep, that was from some minutes ago16:35
xyang1erlon: it may be better to split that patch because we usually require CI to pass before merging a change on a driver16:35
erlonsmcginnis: ill respinn it16:35
smcginniserlon: OK good. Just making sure you saw. :)16:35
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smcginnisOK, I'm going to call it early unless anyone has anything else important.16:36
erlonxyang1: that won't guarantee that the CIs will run in the patch, worst, it got I think almost 2 months to get all that CIs runned16:36
smcginnisAlright, thanks everyone.16:37
erlonand usually is not possible to keep the results after each run16:37
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jlvillalHello all17:00
jlvillalThe agenda is at:
jlvillal#topic announcements17:01
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jlvillalI just got back from two weeks of vacation. So I don't have any QA announcements.17:01
jlvillalDoes anyone else?17:01
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jlvillal#info Thanks to krtaylor and sambetts for running the meetings over the last two weeks!17:01
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jlvillalHey jroll, I was feeling very alone over here ;)17:02
jlvillalOkay, moving on. Has a feeling this might be a short meeting.17:03
jlvillal#topic Multi-node Grenade testing of Ironic17:03
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jlvillal#info Patch got merged to add the experimental multi-node job for Ironic.
jlvillalSo that is good news. We can now at least do a "check experimental" and see how badly it fails :)17:04
jlvillal#info Now can test:
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jlvillalMaybe not. I was thinking that was the flat networking Ironic patch. Not the devstack-gate patch17:06
jlvillal#info Some other patches still needing to be merged: and
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jlvillalI'm trying to get caught up after being away. I should be able to dedicate Thursday and Friday this week to working on this.17:07
jlvillalAnd hopefully not get interrupted next week as well. "hopefully" being the keyword...17:08
jlvillalAny other updates/news?17:08
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jlvillalsambetts: ??17:08
jlvillalI'll take silence as no.17:08
jlvillalOkay moving on17:09
jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor)17:09
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jlvillalI don't think krtaylor is here17:09
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jlvillalDoes anyone have updates in regards to 3rd Party CI?17:09
jrolljust a note, I'm going to start looking at what we will and won't be removing, driver-wise, over the next week17:09
krtayloro/ sorry I'm late17:09
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krtaylorjroll, I have been on other things, I'll push a new driver patch today17:10
jlvillaljroll: Okay. Did AMT every get moved to the third-party-drivers?17:10
jrollkrtaylor: cool17:10
krtaylorI was just looking at it17:11
jrolljlvillal: I don't work on ironic-staging-drivers, so idk17:11
* jlvillal thinks that is a no based on a quick get grep17:11
jlvillals/get grep/git grep/17:11
jrolljlvillal: that isn't an official project, fwiw17:11
jrollso we'll be removing it from ironic, if someone wants to add it to that repo they can17:11
jlvillalRight. I was just wondering if it had gotten yanked out of Ironic yet.17:11
jrollnope, nothing has been dropped yet17:11
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jlvillalkrtaylor: Sorry. I should let you run this section :)17:11
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krtaylorjroll, any other drivers that are on the bubble?17:11
jrollI want to get a list in the next week, send an email to let people know17:11
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jrolland probably drop them near the openstack FF17:12
krtaylorjlvillal, np, I don't have any update really17:12
jrollkrtaylor: I haven't started looking at what is and is not tested yet17:12
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* jroll needs to find all the datas17:12
krtaylorjroll, use the table, I'll update it this week17:12
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jrollkrtaylor: which table? link?17:13
* krtaylor gets the link17:13
jrollaha ty17:13
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krtaylorits at the bottom of this page17:13
krtaylorwhich also needs to be claened up17:13
krtaylorcleaned also17:13
jrollperfect, thanks17:14
* krtaylor takes that todo17:14
krtaylor#action krtaylor to update driver CI table17:14
krtaylorjlvillal, I think thats about it, unless anyone else has anything17:15
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jlvillalkrtaylor: Thanks17:15
jlvillal#topic Open Discussion17:15
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jlvillalAnyone have anything else? Feel free to say so.17:15
* jroll does not17:15
* jlvillal is just excited that multi-node networking is close to being done :)17:15
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jlvillalaka network isolation...17:16
jrolloh, we should make that job voting very soon17:16
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jrollsomeone want to put that patch up?17:16
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jlvillalI can take that action item17:16
jlvillaljroll: Do you think it is good to go?17:17
jrollping me for a +117:17
jlvillalDo it now?17:17
jrolljlvillal: it seems quite stable17:17
jlvillalOkay, will do.17:17
* jroll thinks it's lunchtime17:17
jlvillal#action jlvillal to propose patch to make the multi-tenant networking job voting17:17
jlvillalOkay. I think we are done.17:17
jlvillalThanks everyone!17:17
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  3 18:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
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bh526rhello guys18:00
krenczewskiHi Bin18:01
bh526rHi Kamil and Paul18:01
bh526rThank you for joining18:01
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Jeffreyc42Hi Guys18:02
tomhambHi Bin18:02
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kamal__Info kamal__18:02
bh526rHi Jeff and Tom18:02
bh526r#topic Roll Call and Introduction18:02
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bh526r#info Bin Hu18:02
Jeffreyc42#info Jeff Collins18:02
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:03
tomhamb#info Tom Hambleton18:03
pcarver#info Paul Carver18:03
bh526r#info Admin Update18:03
bh526r#topic Admin Update18:03
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kamal__#info Kamal Hussain18:03
bh526rHi Kamal18:03
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bh526r#info No admin update today18:03
kamal__Hi Bin18:03
bh526r#topic Discuss Infrastructure Need of Development and PoC18:04
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bh526rnot sure if Daniel Smith is here or not who wants to give an update18:04
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bh526rif no, then the status stands as last week as Jeff updated18:05
bh526ror Jeff, do you have any further update?18:05
Jeffreyc42I don't18:05
Jeffreyc42I haven't heard from him18:05
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Jeffreyc42I'm pinging him now.  If he responds I'll let everyone know here18:06
bh526r#info No more update. Status is the same as last week, and we may have more blades in a month or so.18:06
Jeffreyc42He's on vacation18:06
bh526rOk, thank you Jeff18:06
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bh526r#topic Discuss PoC in OpenStack Summit in Barcelona18:07
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bh526rDo you have any suggestions?18:07
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Jeffreyc42well - We need to show something cool ;)18:08
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Jeffreyc42I think we need to have a call if not face-to-face to discuss neutron18:08
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tomhambI agree18:08
bh526rThat's right. I suggest a face-to-face to discuss (1) Neutron (2) PoC for Barcelona18:08
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bh526rWhat day is good for you?18:09
bh526rOr what day is not good for you?18:09
Jeffreyc42not good for me would be the 17th and the week of the 22nd18:09
bh526rHow about 18th or 19th?18:10
Jeffreyc42works for me18:10
tomhambGood for me18:10
kamal__Me too18:10
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Jeffreyc4218 or 19th or 18th and 19th?18:11
bh526rGreat. Let's say 18th, with potential to have 19th too so that we can conclude it.18:11
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pcarverWhere is this face-to-face? Is there telepresence?18:11
bh526rso plan is 18th and 19th18:11
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Jeffreyc42I vote Juniper office ;)18:11
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Jeffreyc42I guess Naci's not here...18:12
bh526rThat is a very nice office :) I vote too18:12
bh526rLet me talk to Nachi18:12
pcarverAs long as it's in NJ I'm fine with it18:12
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bh526rAnd for Paul: Juniper office may have telepresence facility18:12
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bh526rAnd the trick is how to use it18:13
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bh526rAnd Paul: it will be in Silicon Valley / San Jose area, if you can make the trip18:14
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pcarverbh526r: I'm not sure how to justify the travel request18:14
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bh526rLet me do my best to make the telepresence work if possible18:15
pcarverAt the very least I need to provide a written explanation of why teleconference or telepresence aren't possible18:15
bh526rThough not guaranteed18:15
bh526rWell, that is easy - No telepresence in meeting venue18:15
tomhambI might have the same issue, we should have telepresence as an option18:16
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krenczewskiMaybe set up the meeting for so long time, that telepresence is not an option?18:17
bh526rOk, let me do my best to find and make the telepresence work.18:17
Jeffreyc42Tom can "we" as the Project tell you are requried to be there in person? :)18:17
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bh526r:) good point18:17
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tomhambI will check with Vince18:18
bh526rLet me send email to Vince to make sure he is supportive.18:18
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bh526r#info Group decides to have a face-to-face meeting on August 18th and 19th in Silicon Valley.18:19
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bh526r#info Detailed venue TBD, but within Sunnyvale-San Jose-Milpitas area18:20
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bh526r#info The goal of the meeting is to conclude (1) Neutron interaction model (2) PoC scope for Barcelona18:21
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bh526r#topic Discuss Project Roadmap and Schedule18:22
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bh526rI think it largely depends on our conclusion from face-to-face18:22
Jeffreyc42yea, I agree18:23
bh526rBut at least, tentatively roadmap is anothr PoC in Barcelona18:23
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bh526rSo let us set up "Barcelona Demo" as our current Big Milestone18:24
bh526rIs it fine for everyone?18:24
bh526r#info Current milestone is a Demo/PoC in Barcelona18:24
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krenczewskiIt is October 2016?18:25
bh526r#info Other roadmap items will be determined after the conclusion from face-to-face meeting on August 18th and 19th18:25
pcarverAre we distinguishing between project milestones and code milestones?18:25
bh526rYes, Oct 24-2818:26
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bh526rFor now, we use project milestone. We may distinguish it at some point if needed18:27
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bh526r#topic Discuss Project Next Steps18:28
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pcarvercode roadmap and milestones should be in Launchpad, but this sounds like it might not be the same thing18:28
bh526rI guess for now, our next step is to prepare for face-to-face so that we will have conclusion18:28
bh526rBased on that, we will have more details of next steps and milestones18:29
bh526rThen we can document it in Launchpad etc.18:30
bh526rOk. That's pretty much all from my side18:31
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bh526r#info Immediate next step is to conclude from face-to-face meeting on August 18th and 19th18:31
bh526rPaul, Jeff, Tom, Kamal and Kamil - anything else you want to discuss?18:32
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Jeffreyc42I need some quick git help18:32
Jeffreyc42can I call one of you after this real quick?18:33
bh526rSure. Just call me then18:33
tomhambI started looking at getting the code in the openstack repo.  We are going to need to create additional repos.18:33
tomhambCombining multiple packages in one repo is not very clean18:33
tomhambBin, I will get with you offline to go over the process18:34
krenczewskiI am wondering about which software versions we should use18:34
krenczewskietcd for example18:34
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krenczewskiGluon getting started uses 2.3.6 (if I remember correctly)18:35
tomhambSounds right18:35
krenczewskiand etcd in version 3.x uses transactions, wchich might be handy18:35
bh526rGood point, if etcd 3.x is a better option, we can certainly upgrade to it.18:36
krenczewskicurrently I am investigating this topic and if I came with something useful I'll try to send e-mail about that to everyone18:36
bh526rThat's great, and thank you Kamil.18:36
bh526rAnd certainly we can discuss and conclude it in face-to-face18:37
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krenczewskiPlease remember that I am from Europe18:37
Jeffreyc42so is most of the Ericsson team18:38
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Jeffreyc42they usually join up until lunch time in San Jose :)18:38
krenczewskiI am planning to visit USA soon (08/21 to 10/09) but this is not official yet18:38
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bh526rPerhaps you can set your trip starting on August 17 so that you can participate in face-to-face on Aug 18 and 1918:39
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krenczewskiUnfortunately I am on vacation until 19th18:39
bh526rOops :(18:39
bh526rI am sure we will have followup face-to-face in September, so you can participate then18:40
krenczewskiBut if the trip is confirmet I'll try to meet with you18:40
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bh526rGreat, thank you Kamil18:41
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bh526rOk. I think we are pretty much done today18:41
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Jeffreyc42sounds good18:41
kamal__Jeffreyc42: could you send me your questions on git. I can check and get back to you.18:42
bh526rThank you everyone, and talk to you next week.18:42
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bh526r#info Meeting Adjourned18:43
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bh526rbye guys18:43
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Sam-I-Amdoc meeting?19:01
rcaballeromxI'm here.19:01
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Sam-I-Amguess we'll wait a few mins19:02
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Sam-I-Am#startmeeting docteam19:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  3 19:04:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sam-I-Am. Information about MeetBot at
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Sam-I-Ami'm not really the chair, but no one else is, so here we go19:04
Sam-I-Am#topic action items from last meeting19:04
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Sam-I-Ami dont recall anything in particular19:05
Sam-I-Ami was actually at the apac meeting last week19:05
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annegentle_hey, sorry I'm late19:05
rcaballeromxNo problem.19:05
Sam-I-Amhi anne19:05
Sam-I-Amwasnt sure who was chairing this19:05
annegentle_I told Shilla I could chair, but looks like you've got it Sam-I-Am -- thanks19:06
annegentle_carry on!19:06
Sam-I-Am#topic specs in review19:06
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Sam-I-Amlooks like we only have 3 specs in review, and they've recently received some love19:07
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Sam-I-Amnone of them involve me19:07
Sam-I-Amanyone else care to comment on them?19:07
Sam-I-Amguess not19:07
Sam-I-Am#topic specialty team reports19:07
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Sam-I-Amanyone from specialty teams here?19:07
annegentle_API here19:08
Sam-I-Amgot anything to tell us?19:08
annegentle_sure, the ceilometer/telemetry API reference migration landed today. HURRAH.19:08
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annegentle_I think trove is the last one left!19:08
Sam-I-Amso all the other services are done?19:09
annegentle_We're also getting closer to having the API ref/guides drop-down navigation ready19:09
annegentle_Yes. Also check out the new listing of API links generated from projects.yaml the governance repo.19:09
annegentle_just a sec hafta find link19:09
annegentle_or, well, first things first.19:10
annegentle_#info trove API ref migration still in progress19:10
annegentle_#info telemetry/ceilometer API ref migration complete, thanks team!19:10
Sam-I-Amlooks like the api stuff is catching on19:10
annegentle_#info getting closer to having the API ref/guides drop-down navigation ready19:10
annegentle_I think we know the order of landing those patches so the web dev stuff holds together.19:11
annegentle_Ok, other news on API "completeness"19:11
annegentle_that landed yesterday ^^19:12
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annegentle_So now we can do things like what this patch does19:12
Sam-I-Amoh yeah, i remember that one19:12
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annegentle_So, now we can follow up with the teams who a) don't have API docs or b) have them but won't be in the nav menu19:13
* Sam-I-Am likes progress19:13
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annegentle_I think that's the report for this week19:13
Sam-I-Amok, guess we'll hit the networking guide since i'm here19:14
Sam-I-Amnot a lot going on, but a continuous stream of content patches from networking devs19:14
Sam-I-Ami still need to backport the reorg patch19:14
Sam-I-Amthen work on updating the scenarios... and of course the endless pile of content that needs love19:14
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Sam-I-Amany other specialty team reps here?19:15
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Sam-I-Am#topic liaisons19:15
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Sam-I-Amanything from doc liaisons here?19:15
lbragstadI don't have anything from the keystone side of the house19:16
annegentle_oh, I did have an incoming request19:16
Sam-I-Amremember that around m3 into rc1, the install guide begins to need updates for the next release19:16
annegentle_from rosmaita that's a good idea19:16
Sam-I-Amsame with the networking guide, or anything else that has config-specific content19:16
annegentle_Basically now that we can make nicer status code tables, we should write an example file that contains the status descriptions we'd like to see.19:17
Sam-I-Amthats a good idea19:17
annegentle_I can take a stab at it, but wanted to ask lbragstad or others, where would you like the example status codes tables to live?19:17
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annegentle_it's an easy way to do a copy/paste to pre-fill, then add more details per-service later19:17
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lbragstadannegentle_ hmmm19:17
annegentle_lbragstad: do you know about the status table addition? It only went in last week19:17
lbragstadannegentle_ not yet19:18
lbragstadannegentle_ link?19:18
annegentle_lbragstad: yep, getting one19:18
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annegentle_that's the glance proof-of-concept19:18
annegentle_and they look nice19:18
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annegentle_needs an update in the global requirements19:19
lbragstadannegentle_ ah interesting!19:19
lbragstadwe're encouraging other projects to follow this lead?19:19
annegentle_#info now that we can make nicer status code tables, we should write an example file that contains the status descriptions19:19
annegentle_lbragstad: yeah I was hoping we'd get all the teams that have their content in rst+yaml to add these status code tables also, but want to find a good way to give them content19:20
Sam-I-Amstandards are good ideas19:20
annegentle_lbragstad: how could we bootstrap it? Ya know?19:20
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annegentle_lbragstad: and, with the new sidebar nav coming in, teams will need to update the anyway19:21
lbragstadannegentle_ gotcha19:21
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annegentle_anyway, the point of this meeting is to let people know about it, but also find ways we can give you more stuff to standardize with19:21
lbragstadannegentle_ what would the status code description example be like?19:21
annegentle_we're at the point where the status codes are consumable but from where19:21
Sam-I-Amthe release note standardization-ish spec will be nice when its merged/implemented :)19:22
annegentle_lbragstad: so it goes into a second yaml file:
annegentle_lbragstad: and what we could do is give the default: text19:22
annegentle_and let teams fill in informal: text and also change default:19:22
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annegentle_but these are standard codes so I'd like to pre-fill somewhat.19:22
annegentle_Maybe I just send a note to openstack-dev? with a starter yaml file?19:23
lbragstadannegentle_ yeah - that would make sense19:23
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lbragstadannegentle_ personally - i'd be fine with a super simple template to fill out19:23
annegentle_lbragstad: yeah19:23
lbragstadbecause chances are I'm going to be working through it with various members of my team anyway19:24
annegentle_lbragstad: I don't want to sign up for the patching, but can give out a starter file.19:24
annegentle_so, ML post ok?19:24
lbragstadannegentle_ sure19:24
annegentle_Sam-I-Am: feel free to send it as an action19:24
Sam-I-Am#action annegentle will post to the dev mailing list regarding status code standardization19:25
Sam-I-Amanything else?19:25
annegentle_not from here19:26
Sam-I-Am#topic newton deliverables19:26
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Sam-I-Amtracking what we're trying to complete for newton19:26
Sam-I-Am#topic open discussion19:27
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Sam-I-Amanyone have any other input for the meeting?19:27
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annegentle_I'll add a line about the file renaming.19:27
annegentle_to the NewtonDeliverables.19:28
annegentle_first patch in review for common, woo19:28
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Sam-I-Am#action annegentle to add file renaming to newton deliverables19:28
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Sam-I-Amnothing else, we can close it at 30 minutes19:28
Sam-I-Amgo back and typey typey19:28
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Sam-I-Amthanks for attenting19:29
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annegentle_thanks Sam-I-Am for running it19:30
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