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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 09:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | Greetings EMEAns | 09:01 |
| priteau | Good morning | 09:01 |
| DaveH | good morning :) | 09:01 |
| annabelleonabike | good morning! | 09:01 |
| verdurin | Morning. | 09:01 |
| zz9pzza | Morning ( james@sanger) | 09:01 |
| oneswig | unusual nick... | 09:01 |
| dariov | morning! | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda for today (such as it is) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_3rd_2016 | 09:02 |
| jpr | morning | 09:02 |
| enolfc | good morning | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | Hello all. I heard from b1airo earlier but I'll give him a prod, hold on | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | Ah, he'll be here in 10 mins, lets press on | 09:04 |
| oneswig | #topic COA courses for students | 09:05 |
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| oneswig | Anne are you here? | 09:05 |
| annabelleonabike | I am! | 09:05 |
| oneswig | Hello, thanks for coming! | 09:05 |
| oneswig | Would you like to talk over the course? | 09:05 |
| annabelleonabike | Thanks for having me! | 09:06 |
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| annabelleonabike | Just a quick announcement for those who work with students! The Foundation recently launched a student pricing option for the Certified OpenStack Administrator (COA) exam. The student pricing is 50% off, and is available to current and recently graduated students who can show a current student ID, or a student ID that has expired in the last 90 days. For students and recent grads who have experience working on OpenStack, | 09:06 |
| annabelleonabike | COA is a great way for them to distinction and validation to the work they’ve done, particularly for those who are beginning to search for jobs in the industry. | 09:06 |
| annabelleonabike | There’s a page specifically for students at http://www.openstack.org/coa/student, but I’m more than happy to chat with anyone who has questions, or student groups/individuals about specifics. Reachable at anne@openstack.org | 09:07 |
| oneswig | Is it an exam only or is there online material and a syllabus to work through? | 09:07 |
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| annabelleonabike | The exam is only online, and can be scheduled at your convenience | 09:07 |
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| annabelleonabike | what’s covered on the exam is available here: http://www.openstack.org/coa/requirements | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | Looks like plenty to be getting on with there... | 09:08 |
| annabelleonabike | we recommend people sitting the exam have approximately 6 months experience on OpenStack, but you can also get a feel for what will be covered via the requirements, and people may feel ready to sit with less experience than that | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | How do people show a student ID to qualify for the discount? | 09:09 |
| annabelleonabike | Good question! There is a live proctor during your exam, and they will ask for ID. This is the time you will show the student ID | 09:10 |
| annabelleonabike | If students do not have an ID for whatever reason, any official uni document that shows current, active enrollment will suffice | 09:10 |
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| oneswig | Are there restrictions on the kind of student - PhD students and post-docs? | 09:11 |
| annabelleonabike | No restrictions! The rules are fairly generous since our intent was about making this accessible to current students, as well as recent graduates. If a student has graduated in the last 90 days, they are still eligilbe for the discount | 09:12 |
| annabelleonabike | If people have feedback on the requirements for receiving the discount, I’m all ears. This is mostly about giving students the opportunity to sit the exam | 09:12 |
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| oneswig | One thought: it might be helpful to qualify students before they enter the exam. What if they find at that point that their discount is invalid? | 09:13 |
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| annabelleonabike | Unfortunately, the way it is set up now, their exam will end, and their fee will be applied to a full price exam | 09:13 |
| zz9pzza | The one year between buying the exam and taking might make it harder to verify | 09:14 |
| annabelleonabike | That’s a great point | 09:14 |
| annabelleonabike | The exam is able to be scheduled up to a year after purchase, so we should review how that fits with the student qualificaiton | 09:14 |
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| annabelleonabike | This is a brand new feature, so we’re still finding the roadblocks and loopholes :) | 09:15 |
| zz9pzza | I am sure we can work around it if we are aware. | 09:16 |
| oneswig | I think it has a lot of potential, I'm happy to help with that exercise | 09:16 |
| annabelleonabike | That would be great! Would love input | 09:16 |
| oneswig | Any other questions/comments for annabelleonabike? | 09:16 |
| oneswig | annabelleonabike: how can we give feedback later - to anne@openstack.org or on a mailing list? | 09:17 |
| annabelleonabike | anne@openstack.org is probably best | 09:17 |
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| oneswig | OK that's great. Thanks Anne for coming to talk with the WG | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | I am sure this will be a useful thing at our university | 09:18 |
| annabelleonabike | Thanks so much! | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | #topic Superuser award for Research / Government | 09:19 |
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| oneswig | annabelleonabike also mentioned we have a new awards category | 09:19 |
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| oneswig | to be handed out at the keynotes in Barcelona (I guess) | 09:19 |
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| annabelleonabike | Yes! I’m very excited about this. The Superuser award is now broken out into four categories, including a Research/Gov category. So we’d love to see you all apply! | 09:19 |
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| oneswig | #link Superuser awards http://superuser.openstack.org/awards | 09:20 |
| b1airo | howdy | 09:20 |
| oneswig | Evening b1airo | 09:20 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:20 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:20 |
| aloga | is this self-nominating stuff? | 09:20 |
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| annabelleonabike | Can be self nominated or you can nominate another org | 09:21 |
| aloga | annabelleonabike: tnx | 09:21 |
| dariov | looks interesting! | 09:22 |
| b1airo | annabelleonabike - that's a mouthful, thankful for autocomplete :-) | 09:22 |
| b1airo | thanks for coming by the way | 09:22 |
| annabelleonabike | thanks for having me! | 09:23 |
| oneswig | annabelleonabike: typically there has been a regional tie with the winning superuser. Is that implicit or is it declared somewhere? | 09:24 |
| oneswig | Like CERN wins at the Paris show, NTT wins in Tokyo, AT&T in Austin, etc. | 09:24 |
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| annabelleonabike | Ah, that would just be conicidence. No regional influence. | 09:24 |
| oneswig | ah ok thanks | 09:25 |
| oneswig | Any further discussion on this? | 09:25 |
| b1airo | so the news here is that there's a new category for "Research / Government" ? | 09:25 |
| oneswig | b1airo: that's it. Double points for governmental research | 09:26 |
| b1airo | ha | 09:26 |
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| b1airo | ok, should nominate NeCTAR | 09:27 |
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| b1airo | might suggest it on our mailing list | 09:27 |
| oneswig | Well overdue I'd say. | 09:27 |
| oneswig | And if you win, you can buy us all a beer :-) | 09:27 |
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| oneswig | ok, lets move on? | 09:28 |
| oneswig | #topic Upcoming OpenStack / HPC events | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | So I put this on the agenda because they are apparently like buses, and this week I had 3 mails | 09:28 |
| oneswig | I thought it might be good to make an ad-hoc calendar of OpenStack and scientific computing events | 09:29 |
| b1airo | nice idea | 09:29 |
| oneswig | I saw these things: | 09:29 |
| b1airo | or even an actual calendar... public google like? | 09:30 |
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| verdurin | Curious about the London one, for which I haven't seen any notification yet | 09:30 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Might be good, should be easy to organise | 09:30 |
| priteau | I suppose you all know of https://www.openstack.org/community/events/ | 09:31 |
| oneswig | September 15th is Bristol OpenStack day - https://openstackday.uk - not many confirmed speakers as yet | 09:31 |
| oneswig | September 22nd is an OpenStack London meetup, but verdurin you're right it doesn't appear to be on the site yet (http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-London/) | 09:32 |
| b1airo | priteau, no i was not aware of that o_0 | 09:32 |
| zz9pzza | Its just after the lusre user group too. | 09:32 |
| oneswig | That one is sponsored by Mellanox with an OpenStack HPC theme | 09:32 |
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| oneswig | I also had a mail for this OpenStack/HPC workshop in Luxembourg, December 12-15: http://2016cloudcom.ux.uis.no/conf/workshops/hpcloudsys.html | 09:34 |
| b1airo | hmm, there's a concord flying overhead bristol... bit old? | 09:34 |
| oneswig | b1airo: just you wait for our proud city's next supersonic airliner :-) | 09:34 |
| oneswig | priteau: The events link is good but I wish it was in a form that could present more relevant content. I'm not interested in meetups in Atlanta for example. | 09:36 |
| aloga | oneswig++ | 09:36 |
| priteau | oneswig: Yes, I wish we could filter by location | 09:36 |
| aloga | the location filter should be a must | 09:36 |
| oneswig | Perhaps the thing to do is to work on refactoring this page instead of reinventing | 09:36 |
| oneswig | I'll note that | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | #action oneswig to enquire on the OpenStack.org events page to make it more regional | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | ... and present in ical format too so it can be slotted into a google calendar | 09:38 |
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| oneswig | I put this item on the agenda in case there were other events coming up in this region that people knew about? | 09:38 |
| enolfc | would a research/HPC category also make sense? | 09:39 |
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| oneswig | enolfc: It would certainly help improve the ranking of events, I'd say | 09:39 |
| verdurin | That events list should also enforce showing some details about each event | 09:40 |
| verdurin | so you can see at a glance whether it's relevant to you. | 09:40 |
| zz9pzza | It would need to be more generic, maybe mirroring the awards "Enterprise,Public cloud service provider,Research / government organization,Telecom " | 09:40 |
| oneswig | verdurin: right, I saw some that were empty, full of TBD | 09:40 |
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| aloga | enolfc++ | 09:40 |
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| oneswig | Is this one to take to the user-committee mailing list? | 09:41 |
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| DaveH | seeing lots of events is great for reassurance that the community is active, but yes, filtering/localising is needed to make relevant events easier to find | 09:41 |
| b1airo | yep i'd say so | 09:41 |
| oneswig | OK I'll get onto that. Good point DaveH | 09:41 |
| oneswig | Anything to add here? | 09:42 |
| oneswig | #topic Tracking WG activities in Trello | 09:43 |
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| oneswig | Late item on the agenda this one. b1airo had a good idea of organising and tracking things better | 09:44 |
| b1airo | possibly worth adding that SC stuff has closed and that we have the confirmed panel and a BoF proposal submitted | 09:44 |
| oneswig | b1airo: on the coat-tails, good point | 09:44 |
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| b1airo | yeah so i set this up a while ago but haven't done much of a job of gardening it yet - https://trello.com/b/fzgRxJrJ | 09:45 |
| b1airo | might have a go at hacking up a script that can push actions from irc logs into trello list | 09:46 |
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| oneswig | Ah, yes. Actions from IRC meetings ought to become tickets in Trello. Great idea. | 09:46 |
| oneswig | Can the script then perform the action, I wonder? | 09:46 |
| b1airo | import ai | 09:47 |
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| oneswig | I'm guilty of neglecting this board, will endeavour to use it more | 09:47 |
| oneswig | And I hope it'll become generally useful for any WG activities, it is open to group members | 09:48 |
| b1airo | it should be publicly visible, and more than happy to give other people access if they want to get involved | 09:48 |
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| b1airo | just didn't want to make it publicly editable to avoid spam (assuming that's a problem for trello too) | 09:48 |
| oneswig | b1airo: good point. | 09:49 |
| zz9pzza | ( I really dislike trello :) ) | 09:49 |
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| jpr | so it trello more for a todo list management or is there tie in with outcomes? | 09:49 |
| b1airo | zz9pzza, fair enough, i'm agnostic, mostly dislike working :-) | 09:49 |
| oneswig | jpr: it's just for recording tasks and tracking them. A to-do list on steroids | 09:50 |
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| oneswig | There's more involved/interconnected things out there but this seems to be the lightest of lightweight task trackers | 09:50 |
| b1airo | jpr, mainly to-do, but depends on how you use it | 09:50 |
| b1airo | in my experience it is good for coordinating a disparate team (along with chat of course) | 09:51 |
| oneswig | I like this idea of coupling with the IRC meetings, good one b1airo | 09:51 |
| oneswig | Anything else for this before we go to AOB? | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | #topic Any other business | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | What's new everyone? | 09:52 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: any news on that white paper you mentioned a while ago? | 09:53 |
| oneswig | It is coming on, I have a self-imposed deadline to get two topics to draft for expert review this week before I go on holiday next week | 09:54 |
| oneswig | Problem is, I started with the topic "HPC and the overhead of virtualisation", and when ever I add some content that has a bit of substance to it, I realise it's better off in one of the other sections | 09:55 |
| oneswig | So it's a slow but steady process thus far. | 09:55 |
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| DaveH | that's a big/wide topic | 09:55 |
| oneswig | I am hoping to share links to the WG from 2 weeks time | 09:55 |
| oneswig | DaveH: right, easy to do a big paper, hard to do a small one! | 09:56 |
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| b1airo | hmm network hiccup | 09:56 |
| oneswig | wondered what we'd said... | 09:56 |
| oneswig | I was wondering: how is Mirantis' move to non-Kolla containerised deployment going to affect Kolla? Good or bad for Kolla? | 09:56 |
| b1airo | sorry about that, what was the last thing i successfully said? | 09:56 |
| oneswig | b1airo: about trello - coordinating a disparate team | 09:57 |
| b1airo | bad presumably (mirantis could be contributing) | 09:57 |
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| b1airo | ok, so then i said: | 09:57 |
| b1airo | anyway, there's one task there that i haven't gotten back to for some time - summarising Austin etherpads | 09:57 |
| b1airo | i've been thinking about this and would like some help | 09:57 |
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| b1airo | planning to create a new page or pages on the wiki where some condensed write-ups can be placed for posterity along with a bit of a general intro to HPC/Research computing on OpenStack | 09:57 |
| b1airo | e.g., maybe a w.o.o/hpc | 09:57 |
| oneswig | Flanders previously mentioned a "landing page" of this kind | 09:58 |
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| b1airo | wonder if i could get any volunteers to work on summaries of any of the activity areas? | 09:58 |
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| oneswig | I can take user stories | 09:59 |
| verdurin | b1airo: suggest this on the mailing list | 09:59 |
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| oneswig | I think Mike Lowe offered to help on these a while back | 10:00 |
| oneswig | verdurin: good idea, circumvents the time zone issues of WG meetings | 10:00 |
| b1airo | verdurin, yep will do, mainly just wanted some feedback on this from the die hards :-) | 10:00 |
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| oneswig | #action b1airo to mail the list for help summarising WG activity areas | 10:01 |
| verdurin | I'd like to help, but I wasn't at Austin and free-time extremely limited at present | 10:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks verdurin, could do with some help reviewing the white papers - I've got your number | 10:01 |
| oneswig | OK everyone, we are out of time again | 10:01 |
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| oneswig | Let's wrap up | 10:02 |
| oneswig | Thanks for joining | 10:02 |
| b1airo | verdurin, no probs, totally sympathise with that problem | 10:02 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 10:02:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:02 |
| dariov | bye guys! | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-03-09.00.html | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-03-09.00.txt | 10:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-03-09.00.log.html | 10:02 |
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| b1airo | thanks all! | 10:02 |
| zz9pzza | ttfn | 10:02 |
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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 11:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 11:59:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 11:59 |
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| tonyb | o/ | 11:59 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 11:59 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:00 |
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| prometheanfire | I'll give people a minute to show up | 12:00 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:00 |
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| prometheanfire | anyone else? | 12:02 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb, sigmavirus, prometheanfire, number80, dirk meeting time | 12:02 |
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| prometheanfire | abh | 12:02 |
| * tonyb already o/'d | 12:02 | |
| prometheanfire | ya, removed toabctl from the end of the list :P | 12:03 |
| tonyb | ;P | 12:03 |
| prometheanfire | anyway, one more minute | 12:03 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:05 |
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| prometheanfire | #link https://review.openstack.org/347608 | 12:05 |
| tonyb | Oh, wanna talk about oslo.context now? | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | #info oslo.context, can we unblock? | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: want to is a strong term | 12:06 |
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| prometheanfire | but yes, with the new tests I feel better about unblocking it | 12:07 |
| coolsvap | i am not sure if we want to unblock 2.6.0 when we have 2.7.0 | 12:07 |
| tonyb | Yeah I think we can land that chnage from Josh | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | ya, not talking about 2.6.0 specifically | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | I'd rather go with 2.7 | 12:08 |
| tonyb | I think nova has the compat code now, as does designate | 12:08 |
| tonyb | trove is good to go | 12:08 |
| coolsvap | hmm | 12:08 |
| tonyb | I just recheced the u-c chnage to verify that | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | both changes should merge | 12:08 |
| coolsvap | yeah lets comfirm and get it merged | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | one is for GR only, one for UC only | 12:08 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:09 |
| number80 | yeah 2.7 would be good | 12:09 |
| prometheanfire | #info we are unblocking oslo.context | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | why 2.7? | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | 2.7.0 | 12:10 |
| tonyb | I need more words that that | 12:10 |
| tonyb | people are saying they prefer 2.7.0 I don't understand why | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | unblocking oslo.context 2.7.0 (specifically) | 12:11 |
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| number80 | tonyb: that avoid us to introduce it as a follow-up | 12:11 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: wouldn't Josh's change unblock 2.7.0 for g-r ? | 12:11 |
| tonyb | No | 12:11 |
| tonyb | 2.7.0 isn't blocked in g-r | 12:11 |
| tonyb | only 2.6.0 is | 12:11 |
| number80 | ok | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | we are talking about two things | 12:12 |
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| prometheanfire | one is the UC update, that's to 2.7.0 | 12:12 |
| coolsvap | got it yeah sorry | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | one is the GR update, that's oslo.context>=2.4.0,!=2.6.0 to oslo.context>=2.4.0 | 12:12 |
| coolsvap | only 2.6.0 is blocked | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | that's allowing 2.6.0 back in there | 12:12 |
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| prometheanfire | I think both are good ideas | 12:13 |
| tonyb | Right so I'd like y'all to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347608/ and https://review.openstack.org/348204 as if I had a +2 on them | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: you good now? | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347608/ | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://review.openstack.org/348204 | 12:14 |
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| tonyb | then once the planets align we're good to merge code carefully | 12:14 |
| tonyb | doesn that sound reasonable? | 12:15 |
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| prometheanfire | ok :D | 12:15 |
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| prometheanfire | ya, that's what was intended | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | at least from me | 12:15 |
| coolsvap | yes i thought about the same just got confused with the g-r update | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | ya, two similiar things | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | next? | 12:16 |
| tonyb | okay so I think oslo.context is looking good | 12:16 |
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| prometheanfire | not sure there's anything else on my end, the neutron stuff was an issue that seems fixed now | 12:17 |
| tonyb | cool | 12:18 |
| coolsvap | nothing else from my side as well | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | move on? | 12:18 |
| tonyb | +1 | 12:18 |
| coolsvap | i think there are two reviews for ironiclient but one matching u-c can be merged | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Review Queue cleanup | 12:18 |
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| prometheanfire | coolsvap: ya, that'll come as more normal updates :D | 12:19 |
| prometheanfire | so, I think the queue is looking alright, baring the oslo.context stuff :D | 12:19 |
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| coolsvap | yes | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | ok, next | 12:20 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic additional gating | 12:20 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb's change merged, we now have cross project testing :D | 12:21 |
| tonyb | :D | 12:21 |
| prometheanfire | we'll need to be mindful of any additional tests we may want, but YAY | 12:21 |
| prometheanfire | \o\ | 12:21 |
| prometheanfire | /o/ | 12:21 |
| tonyb | We have a good PoC now we can grow support for python3 and stable branches but the master stuff is looking good | 12:22 |
| coolsvap | do we still need the [WIP] change sets? | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | #info tonyb's cross-project merge'd | 12:22 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: which [WIP] changes? | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | coolsvap: yes, those are still useful I think | 12:22 |
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| tonyb | Oh Dims' reviews? | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: indeed | 12:22 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:dims/test/constraints | 12:22 |
| tonyb | I think we can drop most if not all of them | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | #info next we should look to python3 and stable branches | 12:23 |
| coolsvap | yes thats what I thought of | 12:23 |
| dims | i can switch off my cron jobs | 12:23 |
| tonyb | but we don't need to rush anytime before Newton is released is fine IMO | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | dims: ah, yes, that's true | 12:23 |
| coolsvap | dims: yeah we can trigger if we need additional testing | 12:23 |
| dims | if you just abandon the reviews, my cron will not create fresh ones | 12:24 |
| dims | so feel free to abandon when you have consensus | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | dims: i dont want the reviews abandoned | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | just if we can stop the cron | 12:24 |
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| coolsvap | we can execute as per requirement | 12:24 |
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| coolsvap | as we already have tests for projects where we have the uc- test jobs | 12:25 |
| dims | coolsvap : they have massive amount of changesets. you should just create when needed :) | 12:25 |
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| prometheanfire | coolsvap: how do you mean? | 12:25 |
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| prometheanfire | we don't have cross project tests for all projects | 12:26 |
| tonyb | I think we shoudl work towards tools that allow us to create the needed changes when we need them | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | we have the gate now which covers 60% of that those reviews do | 12:26 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: there is a gist shared by dims | 12:26 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: yes, that'd be very useful | 12:27 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb: yes but again we need a mechanism to track that | 12:27 |
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| prometheanfire | who want's to take that? | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | as long as it can be handled in gate i think its fine | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | but I dont know if it can be done | 12:28 |
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| tonyb | I'd like to see us free up dim's crontab no later than Newton release | 12:28 |
| tonyb | so I guess that gives us a timeline to work out exactly what wee need and write it | 12:29 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: sure I think that would be a good milestone to target a replacement for that | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | agreed, so who wants to take that? or just a note for next meeting? | 12:29 |
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| dims | ++ leaving my cron on | 12:29 |
| coolsvap | dims: :) | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:30 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Ok you may have somethign specific in mind. perhaps a job/workflow that I'm not considering. If you write up the problem description we can hash it out on IRC | 12:30 |
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| tonyb | dims: of course you can keep crond running, just one less item ;P | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | #info bring up switching to more one-off cross-project tests next meeting | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: yes I will write it | 12:31 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Thanks. | 12:31 |
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| dims | k you all decide and let me know :) | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | #action coolsvap to write up problem description for one-off cross-project testing | 12:32 |
| prometheanfire | next? | 12:32 |
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| tonyb | +1 | 12:33 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic u-c for setuptools and sometimes wheel - odyssey4me | 12:34 |
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| prometheanfire | he mentioned that this was still wip, so will be taken up next week | 12:34 |
| odyssey4me | apologies - I haven't had the time to do this, please carry the action item | 12:34 |
| odyssey4me | feel free to drop it from the agenda and I'll raise it again once I have a patch in review | 12:35 |
| prometheanfire | #action odyssey4me u-c for setuptools and sometimes wheel | 12:35 |
| prometheanfire | :P | 12:35 |
| odyssey4me | thanks | 12:35 |
| prometheanfire | ok, next | 12:35 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:35 |
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| prometheanfire | #info ptl nomination | 12:36 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:36 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-ptl-newton | 12:36 |
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| tonyb | The new list/format for the requirements-tasks looks good | 12:37 |
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| tonyb | Thanks prometheanfire | 12:37 |
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| prometheanfire | thanks | 12:37 |
| prometheanfire | for the ptl thing | 12:37 |
| tonyb | I don't think we can drop anything as done (yet) | 12:37 |
| prometheanfire | ya, don't think so :P | 12:38 |
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| prometheanfire | we can choose to either select a ptl among ourselves and put just one forward or move forward with the vote | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | not sure we have enough to vote among ourselves | 12:39 |
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| tonyb | I think we just do the CIVS thing, we've aleady started down that path, changing now looks silly | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | ya, was think as much | 12:40 |
| prometheanfire | just wanted to put it forward | 12:40 |
| prometheanfire | so, next? | 12:40 |
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| coolsvap | yes | 12:41 |
| prometheanfire | k | 12:41 |
| * coolsvap missed it was in another discussion | 12:41 | |
| prometheanfire | #topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings | 12:41 |
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| prometheanfire | coolsvap: has next meeting | 12:42 |
| coolsvap | yes | 12:42 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: number80 ? can either of you take it? | 12:42 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: checking dates | 12:43 |
| * coolsvap cannot take on 17th, i might be PTO | 12:43 | |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: ya, it is the 17th | 12:43 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: Yeah I can do 17th, probably not 24th | 12:44 |
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| prometheanfire | ok, that works | 12:44 |
| prometheanfire | #action tonyb to chair the meeting on the 17th | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Open Discussion | 12:45 |
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| prometheanfire | number80: did you want to talk about optional reqs? | 12:45 |
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| coolsvap | i think number80 is not actively participation, he's in a conference he mentioned | 12:47 |
| coolsvap | s/participation/participating | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | ya, just wanted to give the opertunity :P | 12:48 |
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| number80 | yeah, crappy conference wifi, it's super slow | 12:48 |
| prometheanfire | anyone else? | 12:48 |
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| tonyb | done? | 12:48 |
| prometheanfire | I think so | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | will give 1 more min | 12:49 |
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| coolsvap | +1 | 12:50 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 12:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 12:50:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-08-03-11.59.html | 12:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-08-03-11.59.txt | 12:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-08-03-11.59.log.html | 12:50 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
| Yipei | hello | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 13:02:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | hello | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topictopicto | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:03 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:03 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:03 |
| yinxiulin | #info yinxiulin | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #topic feature progress review | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | hello, let's talk about our feature implemtation progressss | 13:05 |
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| yinxiulin | I finished microversion debugging and unit testing code | 13:05 |
| joehuang | o, xiulin, good progress | 13:05 |
| yinxiulin | thanks :) | 13:05 |
| joehuang | is there any challenge? | 13:06 |
| yinxiulin | yes, a bit | 13:06 |
| joehuang | please | 13:06 |
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| Yipei | i finish my paper, i begin coding now, and i think i can finish it on time | 13:06 |
| joehuang | you can submit small patch by patch | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan | for l3 networking in shared vlan network, the code is almost done, but need more tests. i think i can submit the patch in late early next week | 13:07 |
| yinxiulin | The main quesion is not familiar tricirecle | 13:07 |
| joehuang | no need to wait until the whole feature implemented | 13:07 |
| joehuang | to xiulin, understand, you will be familar with it after you submit a patch, and know how it works | 13:09 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:09 |
| Yipei | i will submit a patch soon | 13:09 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, good job! | 13:09 |
| joehuang | to yipei, look forward to your patch | 13:09 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:09 |
| Yipei | some problem | 13:09 |
| yinxiulin | ok , no problem | 13:10 |
| Yipei | about the filter_handler in nova | 13:10 |
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| Yipei | i plan to design a filter which filters all the available pods | 13:12 |
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| Yipei | i try to learn the logic of filter_handler | 13:12 |
| zhiyuan | do you mean a filter that return all the pods? | 13:13 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | I think it should be a filter by AZ, and if AZ is not specifed, then all will be returned | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | is it necessary to have a filter return all pods? | 13:15 |
| Yipei | no, i just want to finish the framework | 13:15 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:16 |
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| zhiyuan | so that's a dummy filter | 13:16 |
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| Yipei | other logics of filters can be implemented in the future | 13:16 |
| Yipei | i think the logic should be designed in a function, which filters the pods | 13:17 |
| joehuang | hmm, I need to read your source code to understand your code design | 13:17 |
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| Yipei | can i submit a patch which is not fully implemented? | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | of course, with [WIP] in the patch title | 13:18 |
| joehuang | means it's still work in progress | 13:18 |
| yinxiulin | do i need with [WIP] in the patch title | 13:19 |
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| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:20 |
| joehuang | ok, xiulin | 13:20 |
| Yipei | i think i can submit a WIP patch | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | pods and podbindings have already ben implemented, but the documentation is not there, could dongfeng to submit a documentaion on these two features? | 13:21 |
| joehuang | #link https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/doc/source/api_v1.rst | 13:22 |
| Yipei | ok, i will tell him about it | 13:22 |
| joehuang | the documentation needs to be updated for new added features, especially pods/podbindings/routings | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | great | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | #action update the tiricircle API documentation about pods/podbindings/routings | 13:24 |
| Yipei | ok, got it, i will tell him to follow the template | 13:24 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | other topics? | 13:24 |
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| zhiyuan | no | 13:24 |
| Yipei | no for me | 13:25 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | ok, thank you for attending the meeting, let's end the meeting earlier today | 13:25 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 13:26:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-03-13.02.html | 13:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-03-13.02.txt | 13:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-03-13.02.log.html | 13:26 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:26 |
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| tommylikehu | connection test | 13:55 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 14:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| * krotscheck peers at the bot | 14:00 | |
| krotscheck | There we go | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #chair vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Good morning everyone! | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 14:00 |
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| krotscheck | Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-08-03 | 14:01 |
| msmol | mornin' all | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | Good evening to our colleages in the european theater | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | Good OMG why are you awake to yuyunz and larainema | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | yujunz iI mean | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | anywa | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | Wow, typing fail | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action: JSDoc Sphinx (yujunz) | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action: JSDoc Sphinx (yujunz) (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:02 | |
| * krotscheck doesn't see a yujunz around | 14:02 | |
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| krotscheck | We'll revisit this in a bit | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Eslint-Config-Openstack 2015 (betherly, vkramskikh) | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Eslint-Config-Openstack 2015 (betherly, vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:03 | |
| krotscheck | Looks like the new ruleset landed. | 14:03 |
| betherly | woot! | 14:03 |
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| Zara | :) | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | We've also got betherly's new patch for Eslint3 here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350530/ | 14:03 |
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| timothyb89 | hello all | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | Hey timothyb89! | 14:03 |
| betherly | thanks for linking to that krotscheck | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | So, eyeballs on that, let's try to get a release out this week so we can update the js-lib | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | betherly: Is there anything that you'd like to bring up about that topic?? | 14:04 |
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| betherly | basically just that if people could take a look at the eslint patch as soon as they are able so we can get it merged and sort out the release | 14:05 |
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| msmol | will do | 14:05 |
| cardeois | yup justed voted ! | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | woot! | 14:06 |
| cardeois | (oh and hi everybody !) | 14:06 |
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| betherly | also, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244257/ - do we want it in this release? | 14:06 |
| betherly | thanks msmol cardeois :D | 14:06 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Keystone Client | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | First of all, apologies to msmol for not actually getting a chance to review his code :( | 14:07 |
| msmol | no problem krotscheck | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | It sounds like you have a blocker though, and that's a dependency on larainema's glance work | 14:07 |
| msmol | review is ehre for anyone interested: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348015/ | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | So I moved it up in the agenda | 14:07 |
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| msmol | and yes, the blocker is fetch-mock, which I was unable to get working | 14:08 |
| msmol | and I haven't had much of a chance to work on it since last week, so any help here would be much appreciated | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | Anyone here have experience with fetch mock? | 14:08 |
| * krotscheck doesn't, but is willing to try. | 14:08 | |
| msmol | thanks krotscheck | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey. | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck to get fetch-mock working | 14:09 |
| vkramskikh | I did, will try to have a lokk, though I'm still busy with fuel | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | msmol: Note, I'll probably create a separate patch _just_ to get fetch-mock working, so I don't have too many deltas to manage. | 14:09 |
| msmol | ok | 14:10 |
| msmol | sounds good to me | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | I'll rebase your work if you're not around | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Any other questions on that? | 14:10 |
| cardeois | nope | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Moving on | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action: Glance client ( larainema ) | 14:11 |
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| krotscheck | larainema: Any updates? (are you awake? ;) ) | 14:11 |
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| krotscheck | Ok | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | #topic SDK Session at the summit (krotscheck) | 14:13 |
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| krotscheck | Right, so a bit of movement here. | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | I've talked to a few different people, and we potentially have two different homes for an SDK hack session | 14:13 |
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| krotscheck | Late august, there'll be an open call for cross-project sessions. That's the first | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | I'd prefer we work there, because it will generally not overlap with other team sessions. | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | It'll also be earlier in the week, so we will have brains | 14:14 |
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| krotscheck | The second home is infra. fungi's been kind to offer us SDK hack time in the infra sessions, however those will overlap with other teams'. | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | Yeah I guess it makes more sense to work on the first one | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | Also, we've got interest from the IOpenstack, Shade, libcloud teams as well. | 14:15 |
| cardeois | Do you know what potential day would it be? | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | So we may get more than one hour, and we will likely have to share space (which is not a bad thing) | 14:15 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Hard to say with the new compressed schedule (T-F), but in the past the x-project sessions have been on the first day of the design summit | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | (As opposed to the openstack conference, which overlapped in weird ways) | 14:16 |
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| cardeois | Alright cool ! thanks for taking this point, this will help a lot I think | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | Anyway- takeaway from this is for us to pay attention to the dev list, and jump as soon as the call for x-project sessions goes out (around the 25th I believe). | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | ALSO | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | There's been talk about an SDK midcycle | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | The last that conversation left off, it would be either right before, or right after, the boston design summit. | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | I'm not certain I like the idea of two weeks travel | 14:18 |
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| fungi | ultimately, when there comes to exist an sdk team recognized by teh tc, repos like this can move there | 14:18 |
| fungi | shade too, probably | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | So I'll poke flanders to see if I can get a better idea of dates. | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | fungi: As long as those are SDK's built by the community, yeah. external ones would be a bit harder. | 14:18 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Check with flanders on state of conversation with SDK midcycle | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | That's it for me, any questions? | 14:19 |
| cardeois | nope | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | Alright, moving on. | 14:20 |
| fungi | krotscheck: right, i specifically meant openstack sdks currently adopted by the infra team | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Right | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | #topic DSVM Job | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | My first comment on this is that I really need to pull the DSVM Patch out of the patch chain that also lands documentation | 14:21 |
| cardeois | Yeah so on my side, I'm waiting for reviews of that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345529/ | 14:21 |
| cardeois | But it's still not clear how we'll read clouds congis | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | 'cause dependencies | 14:21 |
| cardeois | Yeah I saw your patch and didn't understand why documentation was there | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: It was what I was working on at the time. | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Separate DSVM and Doc job patches | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | The cloud config issue breaks down into two parts- where do we read it from, and how do we get it into a browser, yes? | 14:23 |
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| cardeois | Yes, but for the browser, I can handle that in js-openstack-lib | 14:23 |
| krotscheck | clouds.yaml has three canonical locations. /etc/openstack/cloud.yaml, ~/.config/openstack/clouds.yaml, ./clouds.yaml | 14:24 |
| * krotscheck may have typod one of those. | 14:24 | |
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| krotscheck | Now, the first of those is generated when devstack starts up. | 14:24 |
| larainema | Sorry all, I am driving from airport to pick up my friends, the flight delay, so I might missing this time, will update my status later on JavaScript channel | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | larainema: No worries, thanks! | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | My question is, does it make sense for us, as developers, to add location detection for that file? | 14:25 |
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| cardeois | krorscheck But what about this comment from Monty: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348056/8/jenkins/jobs/macros.yaml@302 | 14:25 |
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| cardeois | Yeah, that's the big question. So we have 2 choices, either we read this file, or we source files in "~stack/devstack/accrc/" to create the clouds.yaml ourselves | 14:26 |
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| krotscheck | Well, I still like using clouds.yaml | 14:26 |
| cardeois | We have to make a choice in order to progress and merges those reviews. For the js-op[enstack-part, I can handle both solutions | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | And I'm thinking of the dev use case. | 14:27 |
| cardeois | ok so let's use that, I think it's cool too | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | So I have a devstack VM somewhere - in a cloud, locally, etc. | 14:27 |
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| krotscheck | And infra has a devstack VM somewhere, and it tells us where that is via clouds.yaml | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | Maybe we actually have the clouds.yaml test helper test the various locations where it's supposed to be, and if it detects one anywhere it uses that? | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | That way, if I run npm functional-test, it'll pick up my ~/.config/openstack/clouds.yaml instead and has no problems with the tests. | 14:28 |
| cardeois | No we can't do that, because browser support it needs to know so webpack can preprocess the content. (Check my review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345529/) | 14:28 |
| vkramskikh | I like this idea, though we need to think how to make it work in browser tests | 14:29 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Yeah, that's the second part | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | Which I think cardeois already has a solution for. | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | (Do you?) | 14:29 |
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| cardeois | I handled the second part yeah, using webpack plugin so I do https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345529/5/test/functional/helpers/browser/cloudsConfig.js | 14:29 |
| cardeois | And for node part: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345529/5/test/functional/helpers/cloudsConfig.js | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | Got it. vkramskikh, is that what you're looking for? | 14:31 |
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| vkramskikh | yes it is, I'll take a look | 14:31 |
| cardeois | So as we use "require" I can't do any "if" to silently fail if the file doesn't exist. So this CLOUDS_YAML needs to be setup properly (but the post-test-hook script could check the existences of the files and set the proper env variable) | 14:31 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Can we throw an explosive exception? "Hey, we don't have a configuration, go fix this" | 14:33 |
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| cardeois | Maybe, but I can't check in the js code 3 different location and not fail on the first one (I think). | 14:34 |
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| persia | Those locations have a priority order, so it is safe to fail after finding the first one. | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | Well, we're looking for a specific cloud name though, right? | 14:35 |
| persia | The order is ./clouds.yaml, ~/.config/openstack/couds.yaml, /etc/openstack/clouds.yaml | 14:35 |
| krotscheck | "devstack", "devstack-admin" | 14:35 |
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| krotscheck | So it might be safe to try (and fail) to read them all, and if the merged output of all those files doesn't include the config names we're looking for, fail. | 14:35 |
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| persia | Is there anything in the format specification that prevents duplicate conflicting information being present in the merge result? That would be unusual for that class of file search. | 14:36 |
| cardeois | Yeah I'll check if I can do that, but I don't guarantee anything. Also don't forget this code is for tests only, so we're more in control. As we don't want to include js-yaml library in the dependencies | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | I get that. | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | We'll see what you come up with. Maybe split your work into two different patches so we can focus on each? | 14:37 |
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| krotscheck | persia: No, but there's precedent in the JS community. eslint, for instance, will allow cascading overrides where the higher items in the priority queue will win. | 14:37 |
| cardeois | My point being I'm not sure it's that useful to implement the merge thing, as it will be more complex | 14:37 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Up to you. | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | cardeois The basic config name and structure is in my DSVM patch comment. | 14:39 |
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| cardeois | ok, but please let me know if you have any comment on the actual review so I can update it in the same time | 14:40 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Willdo. | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck, vkramskikh: Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345529/ | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | Anything else on this? | 14:40 |
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| cardeois | nope I think we're good | 14:40 |
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| krotscheck | ALright | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | #topic developer.openstack.org | 14:43 |
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| krotscheck | I bring this up as an information point | 14:43 |
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| krotscheck | We'll likely be linked from the front page of developer.openstack.org once we do our first release. | 14:43 |
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| krotscheck | I'm starting the necessary conversations. | 14:43 |
| krotscheck | So, be warned :) | 14:43 |
| krotscheck | Lots of exposure :) | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 14:44 |
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| krotscheck | Lots of time for open discussino today! | 14:44 |
| cardeois | Awesome ! | 14:44 |
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| cardeois | I've nothing to say sorry | 14:45 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Anything from Fuel land? | 14:45 |
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| vkramskikh | krotscheck: nothing for now | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | There's a bit of a dust-up on the dev list on whether fuel should be a part of the big tent. | 14:46 |
| vkramskikh | nope, it's about fuel-ccp :) | 14:46 |
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| vkramskikh | fuel is in big tent already :) | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | Oh, alrightey | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Does fuel still have the single-vendor tag? | 14:46 |
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| vkramskikh | don't know about these tags but contributions from non-mirantis guys are not frequent | 14:47 |
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| vkramskikh | so yes, Fuel is developed mostly by single vendor | 14:47 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Right, that's the big argument right now: Should single-vendor projects be kicked out of the big tent after a certain period. | 14:48 |
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| * krotscheck just wants to make sure the fuel team continues to contribute to us :) | 14:49 | |
| vkramskikh | I believe we will :) though I'll mostly be busy with Fuel feature until the end of august | 14:50 |
| krotscheck | One topic I'd like to address: We need to put nova, neutron, and cinder on the code agenda :) | 14:50 |
| vkramskikh | *features | 14:50 |
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| krotscheck | I think that completes the basic cloud functions - log in, provision node from image, attach to network, attach drive.... | 14:50 |
| krotscheck | And, in a perfect world, I'd like all of that to ship with our Newton release. | 14:51 |
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| krotscheck | Which means 2.2 months | 14:51 |
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| vkramskikh | I think we need to finish with keystone client and devstack testing patches, and other clients will be implemented faster | 14:54 |
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| msmol | reviews for keystone very much welcome ;-) | 14:54 |
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| krotscheck | #action everyone: Review keystone client :) | 14:54 |
| cardeois | Yes, keystone one will take some time to agree on something well structured, but once it's done it will be fast yest | 14:54 |
| krotscheck | I'm wondering if it might make more sense for us to write the "Getting started" documentatino first, so we can agree on how we want the world to use our lib. | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | And then implement that | 14:55 |
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| msmol | that might be a very good idea | 14:55 |
| * msmol rephrases: "that *is* a very good idea | 14:56 | |
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| krotscheck | Alright, I'll get that started. Even so, let's get msmol's patch reviewed. | 14:56 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Start the "Getting Started" documentaiton | 14:56 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, lack of topics means we're done. | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 14:57:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-03-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-03-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-03-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the fantabulous StoryBoard meeting? | 14:59 |
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| krotscheck | Zara: We've got an internal-restructuring all hands thingie. | 15:00 |
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| Zara | :( | 15:00 |
| Zara | sounds like fun :( | 15:00 |
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| Zara | well, this meeting is going to be short, anyway, since SotK is on holiday | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 15:01:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #Announcements | 15:02 |
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| Zara | or even | 15:03 |
| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| Zara | We're planning a js-storyboard meetup on the 15th of August. it's mainly to get our js things up to date, etherpad here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-js-meetup | 15:03 |
| betherly | woot! | 15:03 |
| Zara | the usual 'add cakes that you want' applies | 15:03 |
| Zara | probably good to say if you're attending so we can get an idea of numbers, though I imagine it'll look much the same as our last js meetup | 15:04 |
| Zara | I've drafted the contents but edit at will! | 15:05 |
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| Zara | that's all on that from me | 15:05 |
| Zara | #topic urgent items | 15:05 |
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| Zara | none listed, speak now or forever hold your peace | 15:05 |
| betherly | i will add an attendees section to the etherpad for people to add names | 15:05 |
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| Zara | yay, thanks! :) | 15:06 |
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| Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:06 |
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| Zara | SotK is on holiday. | 15:06 |
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| Zara | I gather he is making progress with an Events Timeline for boards and worklists, though there's nothing up in review yet | 15:06 |
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| Zara | and the complex priorities UI currently looks like this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312666/ | 15:07 |
| Zara | erm | 15:07 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312666/ | 15:07 |
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| Zara | I've -1d for some small things, but I think it's nearrrrly there | 15:07 |
| Zara | then storyboard will be able to express complex priority | 15:08 |
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| Zara | not sure it's been done like this before, so that should be interesting | 15:08 |
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| Zara | as for me... | 15:08 |
| Zara | I've been continuing working on our dear little python client | 15:08 |
| Zara | there are some patches over here: | 15:09 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient | 15:09 |
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| Zara | at this point it's possible to do most of the things you can do via the web UI via the python client, for folks that prefer using a terminal | 15:09 |
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| Zara | there are still some gaps (changing worklists is the biggest remaining), and some odd things, but it should still be useful | 15:10 |
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| Zara | I've also been working on a rudimentary commandline interface for it | 15:11 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348418/ | 15:11 |
| Zara | since at the moment it needs to be imported into a script to run | 15:11 |
| Zara | I'm not sure exactly how this should work, and I think it's up to people with this workflow to give some input there | 15:12 |
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| Zara | since personally, I'd use the web ui | 15:12 |
| Zara | but we get a lot of questions about the api and scripting for it, so I know there's interest, and this kind of thing will make people's lives easier | 15:13 |
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| Zara | the idea is to be able to say on the commandline, 'for all stories with description foo, apply tag bar' | 15:13 |
| Zara | which you can currently do, this just should make it easier. | 15:14 |
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| Zara | other things... | 15:15 |
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| Zara | gerrit-integration patches are believed ready for merge, and should hopefully be merged the next time gerrit needs a restart | 15:15 |
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| Zara | since they require a restart, so makes sense to get maximum use out of the downtime | 15:16 |
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| Zara | thanks everyone for your help with those! | 15:16 |
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| Zara | does anyone want to mention anything I've missed? | 15:17 |
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| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:18 |
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| Zara | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 15:18 |
| Zara | I had a couple of storyboard-dev things I'm interested in working out what we need to do for | 15:19 |
| Zara | erm, horrible sentence | 15:19 |
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| Zara | but it's also not urgent so I'm fine with waiting 'til more people are around | 15:19 |
| Zara | (I was thinking about getting started on seeding it with lots of data, and sorting out the certificates) | 15:20 |
| Zara | those are things we'll need infra help with and right now I don't know what the first steps there are | 15:21 |
| Zara | so yeah, fine to defer it to a time when people are less busy, that's just here for the logs | 15:21 |
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| Zara | anyone else have anything? | 15:21 |
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| Zara | okay, meeting ends in | 15:22 |
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| Zara | meeting over! | 15:23 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 15:23:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-03-15.01.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-03-15.01.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-03-15.01.log.html | 15:23 |
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| tommylikehu | finally | 15:50 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| rhedlind | hi | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| erlon | smcginnis: hey | 16:00 |
| ntpttr | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:00 |
| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:00 |
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| adrianofr | hi | 16:00 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey all | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:00 |
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| baumann | hi | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
| flip214 | hI | 16:00 |
| merooney | hi | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
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| hemna | mornin | 16:01 |
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| dulek_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | evening in asia | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Privsep support has been enabled in rootwrap, so our libraries can be released again. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | One requested for os-brick. | 16:01 |
| dulek_ | tommylikehu: We're using UGT. ;) | 16:01 |
| hemna | smcginnis, w00t | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu | ok~ | 16:01 |
| e0ne | great news! | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | We'll probably need a cinderclient release some time soon as well. | 16:02 |
| tommylikehu | +1 | 16:02 |
| sheel | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I think we are about three weeks away from non-client library freeze. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Then one more week for client library freeze. | 16:02 |
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| hemna | ok | 16:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| e0ne | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | So let me know if/when anything critical gets in either of those and we can make sure we have a release done to get it available. | 16:03 |
| hemna | if we can get some more eyes on the windows connectors in os-brick then, that'd be nice | 16:03 |
| hemna | I know Lucian has been trying hard to get those in for a while | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Other than that, the usual... | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking review tracking | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Let's try to get through those priorities. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | OK, that's all I have for announcements. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #topic Removal of bdd driver | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Removal of bdd driver (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| * bswartz is here late | 16:04 | |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Take er away | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | So this test has been failing since forever | 16:04 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: not forever | 16:05 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we've fixed one issue last month | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu | how long | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Quite a long time then. :) | 16:05 |
| hemna | forever - 1 | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Ok, well as far back as my search went | 16:05 |
| hemna | so almost forever | 16:05 |
| scottda | DuncanT: I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate | 16:05 |
| * bswartz lols | 16:05 | |
| DuncanT | I think it should be treated as any other failing CI | 16:05 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we have a fix for job in tempest and we're hitting with tempest team to get it merged | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: I can fix job today by skipping 4 tests in job config | 16:06 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Ok, can you post a link up to that, please? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Do you have a link to that tempest patch? | 16:06 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: or get tempest patch merged | 16:06 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332066/6 | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | I'd rather see the skips added that the test ocnstantly failing, personally | 16:06 |
| e0ne | last failure is not related to the patch | 16:06 |
| eharney | this driver has always been an odd case since it has no way to support online snapshots, which means it can't pass all tempest tests AFAIK | 16:06 |
| e0ne | eharney: it supports snapshots | 16:07 |
| eharney | e0ne: i just looked at the code... it checks for status != 'available' | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | eharney: oh.. you're right about online snapshots | 16:08 |
| e0ne | eharney: but is it minimum features set? | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | If we can get the skips in there for the failing tests, at least we would then be testing most of the driver functionality until the tempest changes make it through. | 16:08 |
| eharney | i don't know, i'm just pointing out for context that it's not like a quick fix is going to make this pass all tests | 16:08 |
| e0ne | here is tempest regexp to run tests for job DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX="^(?!.*(volume_in_use|test_volume_boot_pattern)).*volume" | 16:09 |
| e0ne | I'll add skip for current failures until tempest patch will be fixed | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | eharney: true, and this has been the debate about this driver for a while. It truly "can't" do a number of things | 16:09 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | And just one project (thinks it) needs it, IIRC. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | I just have to ask.... | 16:10 |
| eharney | ...for performance reasons which don't have data behind them | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | What's our policy now on drivers then? | 16:10 |
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| jgriffith | If you can't do everything, or pass tests you can just "skip"? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Must meet the minimum requirements, but this is grandfathered in I guess. | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | eharney: just ask me if community needs performance tests data | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: We've asked for performance tests multiple times | 16:11 |
| eharney | e0ne: i dunno about "needs", but i've never seen convincing evidence that thin LVM wouldn't work fine for this case | 16:11 |
| erlon | smcginnis: Is online snapshots in the minimum requiriments? I don't think so | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | eharney: That's my memory of past discussions. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | eharney, DuncanT: ok, I'll ask our team to do performance testing for it | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | erlon: No, online is not specified. | 16:12 |
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| eharney | smcginnis: well, not explicitly, but it is by the test suite | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: And show a difference between bdd and just using the LVM driver. | 16:12 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: sure | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | Online isn't specified currently. We should possibly make it explicit in future? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: I've suggested in the past that a better direction may be to skip the tgt if the volume is local to nova | 16:12 |
| hemna | if the drivers were out of tree......... | 16:12 |
| hemna | :P | 16:12 |
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| e0ne | hemna: :) | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: so that driver could be made to work in any case. | 16:13 |
| * smcginnis throws stuff at hemna | 16:13 | |
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| e0ne | jgriffith:are you talking about skipping tgt got LVM? | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Really? | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: I like that idea. | 16:14 |
| hemna | ssh | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: yes, modify LVM driver, such that if the VG is local to the compute node just export the dev file and do NOT create a target | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: interesting. we need to test performance for it | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: there's a good deal of logic needed to coordinate all of that on the Nova side | 16:14 |
| e0ne | data I/O performance | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Seems a lot simpler than maintaining a whole separate driver. | 16:14 |
| eharney | someone has proposed this and got a lot of grumpy replies, IIRC | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: the BS excuse I got last time was that LVM wasn't performant enough | 16:14 |
| eharney | there's a spec somewhere for it | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | eharney: are you thinking of the shared LVM thing maybe? | 16:15 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: was the poor performance because it was thick perhaps? | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | eharney: there was a proposal to do LVM on a SAN shared to all compute nodes | 16:15 |
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| e0ne | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/add-local-tgt-to-lvm | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: I don't think there was ever any data behind it | 16:15 |
| eharney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247880/3 | 16:16 |
| erlon | eharney: FWIW, tempest is not testing online snapshots, the fail in bdd its another problem | 16:16 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247880/ | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: nice find | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | eharney: normally people propose removing the tgt completely from the driver (having an LVM local-only driver) which I give 'grumpy' replies to | 16:16 |
| eharney | erlon: pretty sure that test_volume_boot_pattern tests that | 16:16 |
| bswartz | sure but any anecdotes about poor performance could easily be because someone tried it with thick LVs | 16:16 |
| eharney | bswartz: right | 16:16 |
| tbarron | be nice to be able to configure it to do tgt even if local (useful for testing in all-in-one) but that's easy enough | 16:17 |
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| DuncanT | tbarron: +1 | 16:17 |
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| erlon | eharney: hmm, I looked test_snapshots*, you are righ | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | OK, so for the topic at hand, e0ne will skip tests while tempest patch is being worked and see about getting performance comparison to show why LVM can't just be used. | 16:17 |
| e0ne | the spec above ^^ was -1'ed because of lack of perf tests result | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | We can revisit in a week or two to make sure issues have been addressed. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I"m sorry but I don't think your Nova Instance is going to be pushing any of this hard enough to make a performance difference but whatever | 16:18 |
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| e0ne | #actio so for the topic at hand, e0ne will skip tests while tempest patch is being worked and see about getting performance comparison to show why LVM can't just be used. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | But I think if it continues failing we do need to treat it like any other driver with long failing CI. | 16:18 |
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| e0ne | #action so for the topic at hand, e0ne will skip tests while tempest patch is being worked and see about getting performance comparison to show why LVM can't just be used. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Thanks | 16:18 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: good? | 16:18 |
| tommylikehu | +1 | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | Yup | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Thanks | 16:18 |
| e0ne | we implemented CI for bdd last year and will try to get it working | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | I was just fed up of seeing the test failing and no apparent progress :-) | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Noncompliant driver removal | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | So last week I put up patches to remove four drivers. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Two of them have resolved their CI issues and are stable(ish) again. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Of the two remaining, Scality has responded to the ML post and is working on fixing things. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | do we verify how many tests are runned by 3rd party CI's? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: no we don't | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Tegile has been absent, | 16:20 |
| bswartz | e0ne: that would require standardizing the log format for CIs | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: at least not programmatically or anything | 16:20 |
| * jungleboyj can see people getting their pitchforks . | 16:20 | |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I occasionally spot check to make sure they aren't defaulting to LVM and that they are running the right tests. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: which we did, and also added req for subunit report | 16:20 |
| bswartz | o rly? | 16:21 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: yea, I do the same during reviews | 16:21 |
| bswartz | then it shouldn't be too difficult to automatically verify | 16:21 |
| hemna | It would be nice if the tempest runs would dump out a stats.py at the end | 16:21 |
| hemna | that can be consumed programatically | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Hmm, interesting. | 16:21 |
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| hemna | we could correlate that to the individual driver runs | 16:21 |
| hemna | once we get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348002/ in | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | hemna: http://54.164.167.86/solidfire-ci-logs/refs-changes-44-347944-5/testr_results.html | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | ANyway... I'm willing to give Scality a little more time if folks are OK with that. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | hemna: what about scraping that? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | They responded right away and are at least trying to be responsive. | 16:22 |
| hemna | yah that might work | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | But Tegile is MIA, so I think we've gone the declared grace period and this should be pushed through. | 16:22 |
| hemna | that's generated by ostestr right ? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: If they are responding and active I think that is fine. | 16:22 |
| hemna | maybe it can puke out a dict as well ? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Any objections to either? | 16:22 |
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| _alastor_ | smcginnis: +1 | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:23 |
| hemna | ok Tegile is to go? | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | Tegile to be removed, Scality to get a little more time. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yep | 16:23 |
| hemna | +A'd | 16:23 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: +1 | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: +1 tegile +1 scality | 16:23 |
| tommylikehu | nice | 16:23 |
| bswartz | yeah too bad for Tegile, but making an example of somebody will help motivate others to keep their CIs compliant | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | OK, good. | 16:24 |
| erlon | smcginnis: +1 I think its ok, but I think it would be nice to include the CI maintainer's emails in the next removal warnings | 16:24 |
| * hemna peeks inside os-testr code... | 16:24 | |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Yeah, really is unfortunate, but ok well. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | erlon: I didn't include it on purpose. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | If they are not paying attention to their CI... | 16:25 |
| erlon | smcginnis: o really? | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | And not paying attention to patches proposed against their drivers... | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Maybe spit out the results as json in a comment in the HTML? That would be easy to parse without causing more files to be produced? | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | And not paying attention to mailing list posts with their company name in the title.. | 16:25 |
| erlon | smcginnis: hmmm got it | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Then they are obviously not participating in the community nor making sure their support is goo. | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | *good | 16:25 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, sure whatevs. I just want some data that doesn't have to be screen scraped | 16:26 |
| hemna | :( | 16:26 |
| _alastor_ | hemna: The number of tests is already pretty easy to scrape from the tempest output directly... | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | So I'm not willing to chase these folks down anymore to try to get them to step up. | 16:26 |
| erlon | hemna: have yu seem my comment in you patch? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | I think this process has been going on for long enough that it shouldn't surprise anyone. | 16:26 |
| hemna | erlon, hbsd stuffs ? | 16:26 |
| erlon | hemna: yep | 16:27 |
| hemna | I'm not sure what to do about that | 16:27 |
| hemna | meh | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | I, and even more so Mike, went to fairly heroic efforts in the past to chase people down. I don't think it's sane to keep doing so | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1000 | 16:27 |
| _alastor_ | DuncanT: +1 | 16:27 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:27 |
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| hemna | there really isn't a reason to. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Made more sense when it was a new requirement. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | We've spent way too much of our time trying to get companies to be good about this. | 16:27 |
| hemna | if a maintainer is participating in the community, there shouldn't be any reason to chase at all | 16:27 |
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| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | The reality is if they are not willing to put in minimal effort, there's no reason we need to work hard to help them out. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | It is a fair bit of effort just monitoring CIs and following up to see which ones aren't actually reporting... having to then chase people becomes soul destroying, and certainly isn't a good use of time | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: I agree completely. | 16:28 |
| tommylikehu | next one? | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | Next what? | 16:29 |
| tommylikehu | topic | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | That's it on the agenda. Anyone else have anything? Or should I open it up to the bikeshedding portion of the program? | 16:29 |
| hemna | _alastor_, the html is pretty repeptitive, I just think json would be safer in the long run | 16:29 |
| e0ne | tommylikehu: do you have any topic more? | 16:30 |
| tommylikehu | actually no~ | 16:30 |
| tommylikehu | new here | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #topic Discussion | 16:30 |
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| erlon | o/ | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Anything else to discuss? Or should we end early? | 16:30 |
| * smcginnis is kind of hungry today... | 16:30 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:30 |
| erlon | Just one point Id like to mention | 16:31 |
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| erlon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336092/ | 16:31 |
| tommylikehu | how about the mascot | 16:31 |
| flip214 | I'd like to post another big "Thank you" to all the core devs that do reviews! It's quite some work, and (I guess) we all appreciate it! | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Oh, thanks for the reminder! | 16:31 |
| _alastor_ | hemna: I was talking about the tox output eg: tox -e all -- volume | tee -a console.log.out or whatever the file is normally | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | flip214: Thanks! | 16:31 |
| erlon | this is changing a lot of drivers, I need the mainteiners to give a a look | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | I gave the survey results to the logo team. They will have something for us to look at soon I think. | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | _alastor_: Unfortunately the location and format of that info is not consistent between different CIs :-( | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Horse/donkey was the clear winner. | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | erlon: how can you get all CI's to pass on that one patch? | 16:32 |
| hemna | AssBrick ! | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: I was disappointed to see there wasn't a 'Stay as we are' option on the survey | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | I made sure to share xyang1's concerns about having a donkey though, so I've been going with "general equestrian animal". :) | 16:32 |
| erlon | xyang1: that actually toook several runs, not sure all CIs run on it tough | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I've certainly shared that as well. | 16:32 |
| hemna | smcginnis, lame! | 16:32 |
| flip214 | erlon: what's the correct way to have a driver restore a snapshot with the correct (new) size, then? | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: :) | 16:33 |
| erlon | xyang1: there are some CIs that are broken | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | And they recognized our existing logo as being a very good one. | 16:33 |
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| hemna | https://goo.gl/pTu3pa | 16:33 |
| tommylikehu | great | 16:33 |
| hemna | please be that | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Nice. | 16:33 |
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| erlon | flip214: well extending as some drivers are doing is ok, but that is a common solution that should fit for all | 16:33 |
| e0ne | hemna: not bad | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | I swear that Donkey is smiling. | 16:34 |
| bswartz | hemna: is that more of a comment about the foundation's mascot initiative in general? | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336092/ Clone/snapshot size patch | 16:34 |
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| hemna | bswartz, no comment...... | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Thanks! | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: He's winking at you too. :P | 16:34 |
| erlon | smcginnis: welcome | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Hey baby | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Did you see there's a merge conflict on that now. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Along with a few dozen other patches... | 16:35 |
| erlon | smcginnis: yep, that was from some minutes ago | 16:35 |
| xyang1 | erlon: it may be better to split that patch because we usually require CI to pass before merging a change on a driver | 16:35 |
| erlon | smcginnis: ill respinn it | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | erlon: OK good. Just making sure you saw. :) | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I'm going to call it early unless anyone has anything else important. | 16:36 |
| erlon | xyang1: that won't guarantee that the CIs will run in the patch, worst, it got I think almost 2 months to get all that CIs runned | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Alright, thanks everyone. | 16:37 |
| erlon | and usually is not possible to keep the results after each run | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 16:37:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-03-16.00.html | 16:37 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-03-16.00.txt | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:37 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 17:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | Hello all | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | The agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | #topic announcements | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:01 | |
| jlvillal | I just got back from two weeks of vacation. So I don't have any QA announcements. | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Does anyone else? | 17:01 |
| jroll | \o | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #info Thanks to krtaylor and sambetts for running the meetings over the last two weeks! | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | Hey jroll, I was feeling very alone over here ;) | 17:02 |
| jroll | heh | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Okay, moving on. Has a feeling this might be a short meeting. | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #topic Multi-node Grenade testing of Ironic | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multi-node Grenade testing of Ironic (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:03 | |
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| jlvillal | #info Patch got merged to add the experimental multi-node job for Ironic. https://review.openstack.org/332490 | 17:03 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | So that is good news. We can now at least do a "check experimental" and see how badly it fails :) | 17:04 |
| jroll | woot | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #info Now can test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335981/ | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #undo | 17:05 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x7f5bc000d490> | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | Maybe not. I was thinking that was the flat networking Ironic patch. Not the devstack-gate patch | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | #info Some other patches still needing to be merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334382/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335981/ | 17:07 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | I'm trying to get caught up after being away. I should be able to dedicate Thursday and Friday this week to working on this. | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | And hopefully not get interrupted next week as well. "hopefully" being the keyword... | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | Any other updates/news? | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | sambetts: ?? | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | I'll take silence as no. | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor) | 17:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd Party CI (krtaylor) (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:09 | |
| jlvillal | I don't think krtaylor is here | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | Does anyone have updates in regards to 3rd Party CI? | 17:09 |
| jroll | just a note, I'm going to start looking at what we will and won't be removing, driver-wise, over the next week | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | o/ sorry I'm late | 17:09 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, I have been on other things, I'll push a new driver patch today | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Okay. Did AMT every get moved to the third-party-drivers? | 17:10 |
| jroll | krtaylor: cool | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | I was just looking at it | 17:11 |
| jroll | jlvillal: I don't work on ironic-staging-drivers, so idk | 17:11 |
| * jlvillal thinks that is a no based on a quick get grep | 17:11 | |
| jlvillal | s/get grep/git grep/ | 17:11 |
| jroll | jlvillal: that isn't an official project, fwiw | 17:11 |
| jroll | so we'll be removing it from ironic, if someone wants to add it to that repo they can | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Right. I was just wondering if it had gotten yanked out of Ironic yet. | 17:11 |
| jroll | s/add/propose/ | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Cool | 17:11 |
| jroll | nope, nothing has been dropped yet | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: Sorry. I should let you run this section :) | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, any other drivers that are on the bubble? | 17:11 |
| jroll | I want to get a list in the next week, send an email to let people know | 17:11 |
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| jroll | and probably drop them near the openstack FF | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | jlvillal, np, I don't have any update really | 17:12 |
| jroll | krtaylor: I haven't started looking at what is and is not tested yet | 17:12 |
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| * jroll needs to find all the datas | 17:12 | |
| krtaylor | jroll, use the table, I'll update it this week | 17:12 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: which table? link? | 17:13 |
| * krtaylor gets the link | 17:13 | |
| jroll | aha ty | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Drivers | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | its at the bottom of this page | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | which also needs to be claened up | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | cleaned also | 17:13 |
| jroll | perfect, thanks | 17:14 |
| * krtaylor takes that todo | 17:14 | |
| krtaylor | #action krtaylor to update driver CI table | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | jlvillal, I think thats about it, unless anyone else has anything | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: Thanks | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone have anything else? Feel free to say so. | 17:15 |
| * jroll does not | 17:15 | |
| * jlvillal is just excited that multi-node networking is close to being done :) | 17:15 | |
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| jlvillal | s/multi-node/multi-tenant/ | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | aka network isolation... | 17:16 |
| jroll | oh, we should make that job voting very soon | 17:16 |
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| jroll | someone want to put that patch up? | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | I can take that action item | 17:16 |
| jroll | thanks! | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Do you think it is good to go? | 17:17 |
| jroll | ping me for a +1 | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Do it now? | 17:17 |
| jroll | jlvillal: it seems quite stable | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Okay, will do. | 17:17 |
| jroll | ty | 17:17 |
| * jroll thinks it's lunchtime | 17:17 | |
| jlvillal | #action jlvillal to propose patch to make the multi-tenant networking job voting | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Okay. I think we are done. | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone! | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 17:18:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-08-03-17.00.html | 17:18 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-08-03-17.00.txt | 17:18 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 18:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | hello guys | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | Hi Bin | 18:01 |
| pcarver | hi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil and Paul | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Thank you for joining | 18:01 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | Hi Guys | 18:02 |
| tomhamb | Hi Bin | 18:02 |
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| kamal__ | Info kamal__ | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Jeff and Tom | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:02 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:02 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:03 |
| tomhamb | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:03 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info Admin Update | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
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| kamal__ | #info Kamal Hussain | 18:03 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamal | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info No admin update today | 18:03 |
| kamal__ | Hi Bin | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #topic Discuss Infrastructure Need of Development and PoC | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | not sure if Daniel Smith is here or not who wants to give an update | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | if no, then the status stands as last week as Jeff updated | 18:05 |
| bh526r | or Jeff, do you have any further update? | 18:05 |
| Jeffreyc42 | I don't | 18:05 |
| Jeffreyc42 | I haven't heard from him | 18:05 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I'm pinging him now. If he responds I'll let everyone know here | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info No more update. Status is the same as last week, and we may have more blades in a month or so. | 18:06 |
| Jeffreyc42 | He's on vacation | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Ok, thank you Jeff | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #topic Discuss PoC in OpenStack Summit in Barcelona | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | Do you have any suggestions? | 18:07 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | well - We need to show something cool ;) | 18:08 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I think we need to have a call if not face-to-face to discuss neutron | 18:08 |
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| tomhamb | I agree | 18:08 |
| bh526r | That's right. I suggest a face-to-face to discuss (1) Neutron (2) PoC for Barcelona | 18:08 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | agreed | 18:09 |
| bh526r | What day is good for you? | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Or what day is not good for you? | 18:09 |
| Jeffreyc42 | not good for me would be the 17th and the week of the 22nd | 18:09 |
| bh526r | How about 18th or 19th? | 18:10 |
| Jeffreyc42 | works for me | 18:10 |
| tomhamb | Good for me | 18:10 |
| kamal__ | Me too | 18:10 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | 18 or 19th or 18th and 19th? | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Great. Let's say 18th, with potential to have 19th too so that we can conclude it. | 18:11 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | perfect | 18:11 |
| pcarver | Where is this face-to-face? Is there telepresence? | 18:11 |
| Jeffreyc42 | fae-to-face | 18:11 |
| bh526r | so plan is 18th and 19th | 18:11 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I vote Juniper office ;) | 18:11 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I guess Naci's not here... | 18:12 |
| bh526r | That is a very nice office :) I vote too | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Let me talk to Nachi | 18:12 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:12 |
| pcarver | As long as it's in NJ I'm fine with it | 18:12 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | thanks | 18:12 |
| bh526r | And for Paul: Juniper office may have telepresence facility | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | And the trick is how to use it | 18:13 |
| Jeffreyc42 | :) | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | And Paul: it will be in Silicon Valley / San Jose area, if you can make the trip | 18:14 |
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| pcarver | bh526r: I'm not sure how to justify the travel request | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | Let me do my best to make the telepresence work if possible | 18:15 |
| pcarver | At the very least I need to provide a written explanation of why teleconference or telepresence aren't possible | 18:15 |
| bh526r | Though not guaranteed | 18:15 |
| bh526r | Well, that is easy - No telepresence in meeting venue | 18:15 |
| tomhamb | I might have the same issue, we should have telepresence as an option | 18:16 |
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| krenczewski | Maybe set up the meeting for so long time, that telepresence is not an option? | 18:17 |
| bh526r | Ok, let me do my best to find and make the telepresence work. | 18:17 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Tom can "we" as the Project tell you are requried to be there in person? :) | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | :) good point | 18:17 |
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| tomhamb | I will check with Vince | 18:18 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:18 |
| bh526r | Let me send email to Vince to make sure he is supportive. | 18:18 |
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| tomhamb | cool | 18:19 |
| bh526r | Sure. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #info Group decides to have a face-to-face meeting on August 18th and 19th in Silicon Valley. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #info Detailed venue TBD, but within Sunnyvale-San Jose-Milpitas area | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info The goal of the meeting is to conclude (1) Neutron interaction model (2) PoC scope for Barcelona | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | #topic Discuss Project Roadmap and Schedule | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | I think it largely depends on our conclusion from face-to-face | 18:22 |
| Jeffreyc42 | yea, I agree | 18:23 |
| bh526r | But at least, tentatively roadmap is anothr PoC in Barcelona | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | So let us set up "Barcelona Demo" as our current Big Milestone | 18:24 |
| bh526r | Is it fine for everyone? | 18:24 |
| tomhamb | yes | 18:24 |
| bh526r | #info Current milestone is a Demo/PoC in Barcelona | 18:24 |
| Jeffreyc42 | yes | 18:25 |
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| krenczewski | It is October 2016? | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #info Other roadmap items will be determined after the conclusion from face-to-face meeting on August 18th and 19th | 18:25 |
| pcarver | Are we distinguishing between project milestones and code milestones? | 18:25 |
| bh526r | Yes, Oct 24-28 | 18:26 |
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| krenczewski | ok | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | For now, we use project milestone. We may distinguish it at some point if needed | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | #topic Discuss Project Next Steps | 18:28 |
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| pcarver | code roadmap and milestones should be in Launchpad, but this sounds like it might not be the same thing | 18:28 |
| bh526r | I guess for now, our next step is to prepare for face-to-face so that we will have conclusion | 18:28 |
| bh526r | Based on that, we will have more details of next steps and milestones | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Then we can document it in Launchpad etc. | 18:30 |
| bh526r | Ok. That's pretty much all from my side | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | #info Immediate next step is to conclude from face-to-face meeting on August 18th and 19th | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Paul, Jeff, Tom, Kamal and Kamil - anything else you want to discuss? | 18:32 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | I need some quick git help | 18:32 |
| Jeffreyc42 | can I call one of you after this real quick? | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Sure. Just call me then | 18:33 |
| tomhamb | I started looking at getting the code in the openstack repo. We are going to need to create additional repos. | 18:33 |
| Jeffreyc42 | thanks | 18:33 |
| bh526r | great | 18:33 |
| tomhamb | Combining multiple packages in one repo is not very clean | 18:33 |
| tomhamb | Bin, I will get with you offline to go over the process | 18:34 |
| bh526r | Sure | 18:34 |
| krenczewski | I am wondering about which software versions we should use | 18:34 |
| krenczewski | etcd for example | 18:34 |
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| krenczewski | Gluon getting started uses 2.3.6 (if I remember correctly) | 18:35 |
| tomhamb | Sounds right | 18:35 |
| krenczewski | and etcd in version 3.x uses transactions, wchich might be handy | 18:35 |
| bh526r | Good point, if etcd 3.x is a better option, we can certainly upgrade to it. | 18:36 |
| krenczewski | currently I am investigating this topic and if I came with something useful I'll try to send e-mail about that to everyone | 18:36 |
| bh526r | That's great, and thank you Kamil. | 18:36 |
| tomhamb | Thanks | 18:37 |
| bh526r | And certainly we can discuss and conclude it in face-to-face | 18:37 |
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| krenczewski | Please remember that I am from Europe | 18:37 |
| krenczewski | :-) | 18:37 |
| Jeffreyc42 | so is most of the Ericsson team | 18:38 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | they usually join up until lunch time in San Jose :) | 18:38 |
| krenczewski | I am planning to visit USA soon (08/21 to 10/09) but this is not official yet | 18:38 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | ok | 18:38 |
| bh526r | Perhaps you can set your trip starting on August 17 so that you can participate in face-to-face on Aug 18 and 19 | 18:39 |
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| krenczewski | Unfortunately I am on vacation until 19th | 18:39 |
| bh526r | Oops :( | 18:39 |
| bh526r | I am sure we will have followup face-to-face in September, so you can participate then | 18:40 |
| krenczewski | But if the trip is confirmet I'll try to meet with you | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | Great, thank you Kamil | 18:41 |
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| bh526r | Ok. I think we are pretty much done today | 18:41 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | sounds good | 18:41 |
| Jeffreyc42 | thanks | 18:41 |
| tomhamb | Okay | 18:41 |
| kamal__ | Jeffreyc42: could you send me your questions on git. I can check and get back to you. | 18:42 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and talk to you next week. | 18:42 |
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| krenczewski | thanks | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | #info Meeting Adjourned | 18:43 |
| kamal__ | Thanks | 18:43 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 18:43:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-03-18.00.html | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-03-18.00.txt | 18:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-03-18.00.log.html | 18:43 |
| tomhamb | bye | 18:43 |
| bh526r | bye guys | 18:43 |
| krenczewski | bye | 18:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | doc meeting? | 19:01 |
| rcaballeromx | I'm here. | 19:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cool | 19:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | guess we'll wait a few mins | 19:02 |
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| rcaballeromx | Ok. | 19:03 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | #startmeeting docteam | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 19:04:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sam-I-Am. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm not really the chair, but no one else is, so here we go | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic action items from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:04 | |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont recall anything in particular | 19:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was actually at the apac meeting last week | 19:05 |
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| annegentle_ | hey, sorry I'm late | 19:05 |
| rcaballeromx | No problem. | 19:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi anne | 19:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | wasnt sure who was chairing this | 19:05 |
| annegentle_ | I told Shilla I could chair, but looks like you've got it Sam-I-Am -- thanks | 19:06 |
| annegentle_ | carry on! | 19:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 19:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic specs in review | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:06 | |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like we only have 3 specs in review, and they've recently received some love | 19:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | none of them involve me | 19:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | anyone else care to comment on them? | 19:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | guess not | 19:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic specialty team reports | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specialty team reports (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:07 | |
| Sam-I-Am | anyone from specialty teams here? | 19:07 |
| annegentle_ | API here | 19:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | got anything to tell us? | 19:08 |
| annegentle_ | sure, the ceilometer/telemetry API reference migration landed today. HURRAH. | 19:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | woo | 19:08 |
| annegentle_ | I think trove is the last one left! | 19:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | so all the other services are done? | 19:09 |
| annegentle_ | We're also getting closer to having the API ref/guides drop-down navigation ready | 19:09 |
| annegentle_ | Yes. Also check out the new listing of API links generated from projects.yaml the governance repo. | 19:09 |
| annegentle_ | just a sec hafta find link | 19:09 |
| annegentle_ | or, well, first things first. | 19:10 |
| annegentle_ | #info trove API ref migration still in progress | 19:10 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316381/ | 19:10 |
| annegentle_ | #info telemetry/ceilometer API ref migration complete, thanks team! | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like the api stuff is catching on | 19:10 |
| annegentle_ | #info getting closer to having the API ref/guides drop-down navigation ready | 19:10 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329508/ | 19:10 |
| annegentle_ | I think we know the order of landing those patches so the web dev stuff holds together. | 19:11 |
| annegentle_ | Ok, other news on API "completeness" | 19:11 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316396/ | 19:12 |
| annegentle_ | that landed yesterday ^^ | 19:12 |
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| annegentle_ | So now we can do things like what this patch does | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh yeah, i remember that one | 19:12 |
| annegentle_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349669/ | 19:12 |
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| annegentle_ | So, now we can follow up with the teams who a) don't have API docs or b) have them but won't be in the nav menu | 19:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | yay | 19:13 |
| * Sam-I-Am likes progress | 19:13 | |
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| annegentle_ | I think that's the report for this week | 19:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, guess we'll hit the networking guide since i'm here | 19:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | not a lot going on, but a continuous stream of content patches from networking devs | 19:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i still need to backport the reorg patch | 19:14 |
| annegentle_ | nice | 19:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | then work on updating the scenarios... and of course the endless pile of content that needs love | 19:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | any other specialty team reps here? | 19:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #topic liaisons | 19:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anything from doc liaisons here? | 19:15 |
| lbragstad | I don't have anything from the keystone side of the house | 19:16 |
| annegentle_ | oh, I did have an incoming request | 19:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | remember that around m3 into rc1, the install guide begins to need updates for the next release | 19:16 |
| annegentle_ | from rosmaita that's a good idea | 19:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | same with the networking guide, or anything else that has config-specific content | 19:16 |
| annegentle_ | Basically now that we can make nicer status code tables, we should write an example file that contains the status descriptions we'd like to see. | 19:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats a good idea | 19:17 |
| annegentle_ | I can take a stab at it, but wanted to ask lbragstad or others, where would you like the example status codes tables to live? | 19:17 |
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| annegentle_ | it's an easy way to do a copy/paste to pre-fill, then add more details per-service later | 19:17 |
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| lbragstad | annegentle_ hmmm | 19:17 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: do you know about the status table addition? It only went in last week | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | annegentle_ not yet | 19:18 |
| lbragstad | annegentle_ link? | 19:18 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: yep, getting one | 19:18 |
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| annegentle_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349551/ | 19:18 |
| annegentle_ | that's the glance proof-of-concept | 19:18 |
| annegentle_ | and they look nice | 19:18 |
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| annegentle_ | needs an update in the global requirements | 19:19 |
| lbragstad | annegentle_ ah interesting! | 19:19 |
| lbragstad | we're encouraging other projects to follow this lead? | 19:19 |
| annegentle_ | #info now that we can make nicer status code tables, we should write an example file that contains the status descriptions | 19:19 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: yeah I was hoping we'd get all the teams that have their content in rst+yaml to add these status code tables also, but want to find a good way to give them content | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | standards are good ideas | 19:20 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: how could we bootstrap it? Ya know? | 19:20 |
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| annegentle_ | lbragstad: and, with the new sidebar nav coming in, teams will need to update the conf.py anyway | 19:21 |
| lbragstad | annegentle_ gotcha | 19:21 |
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| annegentle_ | anyway, the point of this meeting is to let people know about it, but also find ways we can give you more stuff to standardize with | 19:21 |
| lbragstad | annegentle_ what would the status code description example be like? | 19:21 |
| annegentle_ | we're at the point where the status codes are consumable but from where | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | the release note standardization-ish spec will be nice when its merged/implemented :) | 19:22 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: so it goes into a second yaml file: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349551/1/api-ref/source/v2/http-codes.yaml | 19:22 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: and what we could do is give the default: text | 19:22 |
| annegentle_ | and let teams fill in informal: text and also change default: | 19:22 |
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| annegentle_ | but these are standard codes so I'd like to pre-fill somewhat. | 19:22 |
| annegentle_ | Maybe I just send a note to openstack-dev? with a starter yaml file? | 19:23 |
| lbragstad | annegentle_ yeah - that would make sense | 19:23 |
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| lbragstad | annegentle_ personally - i'd be fine with a super simple template to fill out | 19:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 19:23 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: yeah | 19:23 |
| lbragstad | because chances are I'm going to be working through it with various members of my team anyway | 19:24 |
| annegentle_ | lbragstad: I don't want to sign up for the patching, but can give out a starter file. | 19:24 |
| annegentle_ | so, ML post ok? | 19:24 |
| lbragstad | annegentle_ sure | 19:24 |
| rcaballeromx | Yes. | 19:24 |
| annegentle_ | check. | 19:24 |
| annegentle_ | Sam-I-Am: feel free to send it as an action | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | #action annegentle will post to the dev mailing list regarding status code standardization | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | anything else? | 19:25 |
| annegentle_ | not from here | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic newton deliverables | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton deliverables (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:26 | |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | tracking what we're trying to complete for newton | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | lastly... | 19:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic open discussion | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:27 | |
| Sam-I-Am | anyone have any other input for the meeting? | 19:27 |
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| annegentle_ | I'll add a line about the file renaming. | 19:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 19:27 |
| annegentle_ | to the NewtonDeliverables. | 19:28 |
| annegentle_ | first patch in review for common, woo | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #action annegentle to add file renaming to newton deliverables | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nothing else, we can close it at 30 minutes | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | go back and typey typey | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 19:29:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-03-19.04.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-03-19.04.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-03-19.04.log.html | 19:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thanks for attenting | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | attending | 19:29 |
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| annegentle_ | thanks Sam-I-Am for running it | 19:30 |
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