Thursday, 2016-08-04

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ekcs	Hi all! Time for Congress meeting.	00:00
ekcs	courtesy ping: masahito, ramineni_, aimeeu	00:01
ekcs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:01
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ramineni_	hi	00:01
aimeeu	Hello	00:01
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ekcs	Hi all! Hope everyone's having a good week.	00:01
ekcs	thinrichs is away this week and asked me to fill in on the meeting.	00:01
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ekcs	looks like tsandall is with us today. Hi!	00:02
ekcs	Topics for today:	00:03
ekcs	1. Gating	00:03
ekcs	2. Status updates	00:03
ekcs	Any other topics?	00:03
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ekcs	#topic gating	00:05
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ekcs	Big thanks for ramineni_ and others who fixed the recent gating issues.	00:05
ekcs	It seems to have fixed the intermittant gate-congress-new-arch-devstack failures. Only exception is when I tried to recheck but forgot to rebase a patch.	00:05
ekcs	Anything else on the topic?	00:05
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ramineni_	ekcs: with your locking patch, hope we wont have any more gating issues	00:06
ekcs	hopefully =)	00:07
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ramineni_	it should take care of any further race conditions right	00:07
ramineni_	:)	00:07
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masahito	sorry, late.	00:07
ekcs	hi masahito	00:07
masahito	ekcs: hi	00:07
ekcs	masahito, we’re just talking about the recent gating issue and that we seem to have calmed it down.	00:08
masahito	got it.	00:08
ekcs	moving on then.	00:08
ekcs	#topic status	00:08
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masahito	I think ramineni_ did great works for it.	00:08
ekcs	masahito: yup!	00:09
ramineni_	masahito:ekcs: thanks :)	00:09
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ekcs	ramineni_: would you like to start us off on status updates?	00:09
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ramineni_	ekcs: sure	00:09
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ramineni_	ekcs: this week mainly worked on gating issues, and made python3.5 job voting as it seems to be passing now,	00:11
ramineni_	ekcs: planning to add patch on follow up of Timś to remove old dse code	00:11
ramineni_	ekcs: thats it from my side	00:11
ekcs	great! Great work getting on top of all that.	00:12
ekcs	yea it may be a good idea to follow up on remove old DSE before it becomes terribly out of date. Thanks!	00:13
ekcs	aimeeu: would you like to go next?	00:13
aimeeu	sure	00:13
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aimeeu	I finally pushed the first version of the HA Overview Guide and deployment instructions.	00:14
aimeeu	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350731/1 I marked the sections I'd like help with	00:14
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aimeeu	For the other minor bug fixes, I was waiting for the Horizon plugin model patch to merge	00:14
aimeeu	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305063/	00:14
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aimeeu	so I don't end up in git/gerrit hell	00:15
aimeeu	That's it for me	00:15
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ekcs	thanks aimeeu! can you remind us which horizon plugin model patch we’re waiting on?	00:17
aimeeu	I welcome any and all comments on the overview and deployment guides. I did a lot of reading but have no experience with HA	00:17
aimeeu	ekcs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305063/	00:17
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aimeeu	Anusha just went in forced a recheck	00:17
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ekcs	aimeeu: ah got it.	00:17
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aimeeu	Hopefully this coming week I will have more time to work on Congress.	00:18
ekcs	and great work jumping on the HA. let’s all take a quick look to see if there are things we can help aimeeu with on the HA docs.	00:19
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ekcs	I’ll help with the section on action execution during failover.	00:19
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ekcs	#action ekcs help with action execution failover in HA docs.	00:20
ekcs	thanks aimeeu!	00:20
masahito	ok, I'll check ha-deployment section.	00:20
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aimeeu	ekcs: excellent. Many thanks. It's always easier to edit or add, and since I copied a lot from your blueprint...	00:20
aimeeu	masahito: thanks - I added the active-active paragraph to your ha-deployment guide	00:20
ekcs	awesome.	00:21
ekcs	masahito: you wanna go next? and feel free to add topics to the agenda since we missed you during that section.	00:21
masahito	ok	00:21
ekcs	actually sorry	00:21
masahito	I'm working for lazy datasource feature. I pushed first patch that is ready to review and will continue to implement the feature to all datasources.	00:22
ekcs	nvm go ahead =p	00:22
masahito	that's from my side.	00:22
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ekcs	thanks masahito!	00:22
masahito	sorry, I didn't go into HAHT stuff this week.	00:22
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ekcs	masahito no problem!	00:23
ekcs	masahito: one question about lazy datasource,	00:23
masahito	ok.	00:24
ekcs	here’s the link btw: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346677/	00:24
ekcs	I was having a little trouble understanding whether the same update method would get run multiple times on some existing DSDs not yet adapted specifically for lazy.	00:25
masahito	I expect only tables specified as 'lazy_table' don't pull data from real datasource.	00:27
ekcs	ok thanks. I think I need to understand it more. Will do that this week.	00:29
masahito	ekcs: thanks. I wrote down how to use the feature in commit message.	00:29
ekcs	thanks.	00:30
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ekcs	Ok here's my status	00:30
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ekcs	The persist push data patch is under review. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348712/	00:30
ekcs	I think we're ready to do more integration testing on HA, which I'll start this week.	00:30
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ekcs	Thanks for the review on that masahito	00:31
ekcs	Another small change to trigger synchronize_policies after adding datasource, and adding a lock to avoid concurrency errors. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350811/	00:31
ekcs	that’s all for me.	00:31
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ekcs	Great let's move on to open discussion then.	00:33
ekcs	#topic open discussion	00:33
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masahito	Speaking of HAHT, do we want to have another jenkins job for multi-node deployment like gate-congress-dsvm-multi-node-deployment? or implement tempest tests?	00:34
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ramineni_	masahito: ya, i think we should do	00:36
ekcs	masahito: good question.	00:36
ekcs	Any thoughts on pros and cons either way?	00:36
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masahito	new job Pros - we can make different tests senario for HA from cold-stanby HA, Cons - we need to implement the test from scratch.	00:38
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ekcs	masahito: got it.	00:39
ekcs	do we think we can test the setups we need by adding to existing HA tests?	00:40
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masahito	new tempest test Pros - we can re-use tempest scenarios we already have, Cons - we sometimes struggle from some errors.	00:40
ekcs	got it.	00:41
ekcs	ramineni_: do you have any thoughts?	00:41
masahito	I think the existing HA test expects cold-stanby HA.	00:42
ekcs	I guess there are a few options:	00:42
ekcs	1. add to existing HA scenario	00:42
ekcs	2. add new HA scenario to exsting gate job	00:42
ramineni_	actually im confused, i thought we need both , we need to add tempest tests for HA anyway right , even if we add a new job	00:42
ekcs	3. add totally new gate job	00:42
ekcs	and I think we’re saying (1) won’t work.	00:43
ramineni_	i mean add a new job to test HA , where we test all HA scenarios	00:44
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ramineni_	for multinode	00:45
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ekcs	ramineni_: got it. what’s the benefit of adding new gate job over simply adding scenarios to existing gate job? so that we can get the right multinode setup?	00:46
ramineni_	ya, to run on multinode	00:46
ekcs	ok. I’m just thinking might it be possible to setup multinode setup within the scenario similar to the way we currently do it by starting a replica.	00:47
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ekcs	so 1. is that possible, and 2. is that a good idea or not.	00:47
masahito	I think 2 is better to manage multinodes.	00:48
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masahito	we can launch multi PE nodes in creating devstack phase.	00:49
ramineni_	masahito: but is it possible to start on different nodes in devstack script	00:49
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ekcs	right, that’s the main difference: launch multiple nodes in the scenario, or launch multiple nodes in devstacking.	00:50
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masahito	ramineni_: gate only accepts one VM for devstack but we have dse_id flag.	00:50
ramineni_	oohok, like we do in HA now right	00:51
masahito	yes.	00:51
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ramineni_	ok	00:51
masahito	of course, in HA tests like failover, we need to manage the process in tempests.	00:52
ekcs	ok why don’t we think more on this and maybe decide next week whether we want to add scenarios to current gate job or add a whole new gate job?	00:52
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masahito	ekcs: right.	00:52
ekcs	aimeeu how are you feeling about ramping up on Congress so far? Anything you're blocking on or having trouble finding help with?	00:53
ramineni_	adding HA tempest tests in assigned to aimee right	00:53
aimeeu	ekcs: learning a lot but just frustrated at own lack of progress.	00:53
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aimeeu	ramineni: I unassigned myself from the basic tempest tests - not ready for that yet and can't get tempest working locally	00:54
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ekcs	aimeeu: ok I think you’re ramping up great! do ping me or others if you’re blocked on something.	00:55
ramineni_	aimeeu: ok	00:56
ekcs	4 minutes. anything else or should we end meeting?	00:56
ramineni_	aimeeu: you can ping me in case you want some help in getting tempest working	00:56
aimeeu	ekcs: thanks! probably the best approach for me would be writing unit tests or implementing a new, simple piece of functionality	00:57
ekcs	aimeeu: are you looking for the next suitable thing to take on?	00:58
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aimeeu	I have some low-hanging fruit but I was thinking it may be easier to work on a new easy piece of functionality rather than fixing something	00:58
ekcs	aimeeu: got it that makes sense. let’s talk about it offline then since we’re out of time here.	00:59
aimeeu	like adding and testing a method... but I don't want to take time away from what needs to go in Newton-3	00:59
aimeeu	ekcs: perfect	00:59
ekcs	all right thanks everyone!	00:59
ekcs	have a great week!	01:00
ekcs	#endmeeting	01:00
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masahito	thank, bye	01:00
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katomo	#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting	06:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 4 06:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	06:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	06:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"		06:01
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'	06:01
katomo	any one here?	06:01
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katomo	#endmeeting	06:06
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		06:06
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 06:06:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	06:06
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-08-04-06.01.html	06:06
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-08-04-06.01.txt	06:06
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-08-04-06.01.log.html	06:06
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oomichi_	#startmeeting qa	17:04
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 4 17:04:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	17:04
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	17:04
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'qa'	17:05
oomichi_	hi sorry for late starting	17:05
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oomichi_	who here today?	17:05
mtreinish	o/	17:05
andreaf	o/	17:05
oomichi_	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_28th_2016_.280900_UTC.29	17:05
mtreinish	oomichi_: that's last week's agenda...	17:06
oomichi_	^^^ is the previous agenda	17:06
oomichi_	but I'd like to use it on the same topic	17:06
oomichi_	sorry for miss-updating it	17:06
oomichi_	ok, let's start the meeting	17:06
andreaf	well it probably mostly applies for this week as well :)	17:07
mtreinish	andreaf: heh, well hopefully :)	17:07
oomichi_	#topic Spec review	17:07
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auggy	o/	17:07
oomichi_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z	17:07
oomichi_	we have some active specs now on qa-specs	17:07
oomichi_	I will check the first spec of resouce later	17:08
mtreinish	oomichi_: heh, it only took over half the cycle :)	17:08
oomichi_	andreaf: thanks for your review	17:08
oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, I'd like to see more tbh	17:08
andreaf	oomichi_: what is not clear to me from the review is if we want to resolve resources from the YAML before we pass them to tests or not	17:09
oomichi_	andreaf: can we switch the resource spec to my owner?	17:09
andreaf	oomichi_: sure	17:09
mtreinish	oomichi_: gerrit doesn't let you do that. The review owner is the original submitter	17:09
oomichi_	andreaf: thanks, different owner is easy to forget updating	17:09
oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, I will abondan current one and create a new one based on current content	17:10
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andreaf	oomichi_, mtreinish: well we can make the change a different review, but that's a pity to lose the history	17:10
mtreinish	oomichi_: yeah, don't do that you'll lose the history	17:10
oomichi_	andreaf: yeah, then I will add the original commit-id on the message	17:10
mtreinish	oomichi_: just reset the author on the commit, gerrit will say andreaf but the git log will show you	17:11
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mtreinish	it's not a burden to have the review owned by andreaf, it doesn't block you from doing anythng	17:11
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oomichi_	mtreinish: different owner make me forget to check it on my gerrit dashboard	17:12
mtreinish	oomichi_: star it	17:12
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oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, I already did it but forgot..	17:13
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andreaf	oomichi_, mtreinish: ok can we discuss this bit later and talk about the content of the spec?	17:13
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oomichi_	andreaf: yeah, that is nice	17:13
mtreinish	andreaf: by resolve the resources you mean query the api to get the details? Or just build out the matrix of what's available	17:14
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oomichi_	andreaf: do you want to keep the label on the resource?	17:14
andreaf	I mean query the API	17:14
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mtreinish	andreaf: oh, yeah we probably don't want to do that outside of a test class context	17:14
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mtreinish	if it happens too early we end up doing it during discovery and that's not something we really want to do	17:15
andreaf	the main dilemma I think is when to query the API, because otherwise we need to give clients around and have a tenant for that etc	17:15
andreaf	mtreinish: exactly	17:15
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andreaf	mtreinish: however the downside of that is that we can only filter on whatever we set in the YAML and not in things which are available via API	17:15
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mtreinish	andreaf: I think that's ok. It's how we do most of the config based logic today anyway (especially now that we removed the testscenarios scenariot test :P)	17:16
andreaf	but I guess if we provide a tool to generate the YAML it should be fine	17:16
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andreaf	oomichi_ what do you think? are you ok with leaving the API part to the tests?	17:17
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oomichi_	andreaf: If tempest doesn't query before the test, I guess the YAML resource instances in the tests are different from original ones	17:18
oomichi_	andreaf: that would make the usage of YAML resource difficult in the tests I guess	17:18
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andreaf	oomichi_: well it depends	17:19
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andreaf	with uuids they won't be different	17:20
andreaf	but if we use names they may be different	17:20
oomichi_	andreaf: humm, current resource ids of tempest.conf are just uuids	17:20
andreaf	but that may even be ok	17:20
oomichi_	andreaf: yeah, I think now we can remove the content as the first step	17:20
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andreaf	with pre-provisioned credentials, it may be that resources are tenant scoped and have the same name	17:20
oomichi_	andreaf: I think I did overthink	17:21
andreaf	that would help in running tests in public clouds, where you don't want to have a cirros image available to all of your customers	17:21
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mtreinish	andreaf: why not, it's such a functional os :p	17:21
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oomichi_	andreaf: yeah, ok. I will update it based on that	17:22
oomichi_	mtreinish: heh	17:22
oomichi_	ok, the next one is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349730/	17:22
oomichi_	that is a new one from andreaf	17:22
andreaf	yes so this is part of the code cleanup we talked about	17:23
oomichi_	I am writting some comments on that, but not yet finish	17:23
andreaf	there are already a couple of patches around for validation resources and credentials	17:23
andreaf	but I thought it would be good to go one step back and have a common approach	17:23
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mtreinish	andreaf: yeah, I think we should level set and then move forward	17:24
andreaf	oomichi_,mtreinish one thing missing is the ability to schedule a cleanup after tearDownClass	17:24
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andreaf	oomichi_, mtreinish: because that would allow use to use fixtures with class level things	17:24
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mtreinish	andreaf: right, I was thinking we could just add a useFixtureClass function to the base, and have it create a lifo of registered cleanup functions	17:25
andreaf	something like addClassCleanup and self.useClassFixture( "give-me-creds" )	17:25
mtreinish	we do something like that in scenario (or we used to)	17:25
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andreaf	mtreinish, oomichi_ : I have a WIP prototype http://paste.openstack.org/show/549276/	17:26
oomichi_	andreaf: cool, that is easy understanding for me	17:26
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andreaf	mtreinish, oomichi_: there are things like collecting all exceptions and setup a multipleexception and logging it properly etc	17:27
andreaf	mtreinish, oomichi_ but it should be doable	17:27
andreaf	that would be a nice way to remove all the 100 ways we have at the moment to do that in different places	17:27
andreaf	including tempest.test.py	17:27
oomichi_	andreaf: yeah, that seems a good direction	17:28
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andreaf	oomichi_, mtreinish: this spec was not directly in the list of priorities for newton but I think it's an enabler for the top prio items, so it should be ok to focus on it	17:28
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oomichi_	andreaf: high prio items are on good progress	17:29
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oomichi_	andreaf: I think we can focus on that in newton	17:29
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mtreinish	andreaf: I think we just treat it as the spec for the cruft busters stuff	17:30
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andreaf	oomichi_, mtreinish: having this in the test framework would require doing things in testsuite.py, and use a different TestSuite class in Tempest I think	17:30
oomichi_	mtreinish: then cruft busters becomes bigger scope	17:30
mtreinish	andreaf: I definitely like to have a spec approved by germany. I think this will be good work to iterate on f2f there (although I know you'll miss it)	17:30
oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, and we have enough time before that	17:31
andreaf	ok good	17:31
andreaf	yes I won't be in Germany	17:31
andreaf	I will be in Sicily celebrating my son's birthday (and mine), eating granita and enjoying the sunshine	17:32
oomichi_	andreaf: yeah that is sorry for us	17:32
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oomichi_	andreaf: oh, that is good	17:32
oomichi_	andreaf: enjoy your time :-)	17:32
andreaf	thanks ;)	17:33
oomichi_	ok, can we move on the next topic?	17:33
andreaf	oomichi_, mtreinish: I started looking at doing the addClassCleanup in testtools directly as well, but I'd prefer to live that as a potential follow-up	17:33
andreaf	fine for me	17:34
mtreinish	andreaf: that's fine. Although it might mean we have to refactor everything again to make it suitable for testtools and then to use that	17:34
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mtreinish	but I think rolling it ourselves first will probably be a faster path	17:34
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oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, that way is easier in most cases	17:35
oomichi_	#topic Tempest	17:35
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oomichi_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open	17:35
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oomichi_	we have a lot of patches on the queue	17:36
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mtreinish	oomichi_: not really more than usual. Tempest normally has 200-300 open at any point	17:36
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oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, we have always many	17:37
oomichi_	mtreinish: and service clients' patches on good progress	17:37
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oomichi_	and new tests still come	17:38
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oomichi_	one interesting one is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315786/	17:38
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oomichi_	that comes from some nova feature	17:39
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oomichi_	but the test itself doesn't use REST API, just kick the target feature in ssh login	17:39
oomichi_	that is different from current Tempest way	17:39
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oomichi_	but they want to test on devstack or some env	17:40
oomichi_	I guess that would be able to run on nova repo	17:40
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andreaf	oomichi_: that could be in a nova tempest plugin...	17:41
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oomichi_	andreaf: yeah, that can be	17:41
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oomichi_	ok, I will reply it more later	17:41
mtreinish	andreaf: I relaly hate seeing core projects having tempest plugins	17:41
mtreinish	and this is not a good justification for that	17:42
oomichi_	do we have more topics on Tempest?	17:42
mtreinish	this should totally be testable from a nova functional test	17:42
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andreaf	mtreinish: sure but why a functional test cannot use the tempest framework?	17:42
oomichi_	mtreinish: nova fuctional test is not using devstack, right?	17:42
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mtreinish	andreaf: no, it's lower level. BUt that's what they're actually testing that libvirt configured the guest correctly	17:43
mtreinish	oomichi_: no, but you don't actually need devstack to verify this. All they need to do is test that libvirt configured the guest correctly	17:44
mtreinish	why do you need to spin up an entire stack for that	17:44
oomichi_	mtreinish: ah, that seems good for this case	17:44
oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, they just want to use libvirt feature on the test	17:45
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oomichi_	thanks for feedback, I will do response	17:45
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oomichi_	are there any topic on Tempest more?	17:45
mtreinish	oomichi_: also there is an implicit assumption in that test that the kernel is built with CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y (but that's probably true for all distros, its a default iirc)	17:45
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mtreinish	oomichi_: nothing from me (that I can remember at least)	17:46
oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, I'd like to check another kernels which the feature is enable on the default	17:46
oomichi_	mtreinish: I guess RHEL enables it at least	17:47
mtreinish	oomichi_: it's a kernel config default to be on IIRC	17:47
mtreinish	so unless someone goes out of their way to disable it should be there	17:47
mtreinish	but that's a side note, not worth really looking at	17:47
oomichi_	mtreinish: ok, thanks. I will check it	17:48
oomichi_	let's move on	17:48
oomichi_	#topic devstack + grenade	17:48
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oomichi_	do we have items on them at this time?	17:48
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oomichi_	maybe no ;) ok, let move on	17:49
mtreinish	oomichi_: sdague, sc68cal, and dansmith have been working on switching over to lib/neutron this past week	17:49
andreaf	not from me	17:49
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mtreinish	and making that devstack default IIRC	17:49
mtreinish	that's kind of a big one	17:50
oomichi_	mtreinish: oh, then we have specific job with n-network?	17:50
oomichi_	mtreinish: yeah, that is big one	17:50
mtreinish	well switching to neutron as default was always the next step after we finished the mgiration to the new lib/neutron	17:50
oomichi_	mtreinish: IIUC, that happened before. and the gate became unstable	17:51
oomichi_	mtreinish: current one is good status now?	17:51
mtreinish	that aws with the old lib/neutron (which is now lib/neutron-legacy) and it wasn't a gate issue (we've always used it in the gate)	17:52
mtreinish	it didn't work for people outside the gate running with a single interface	17:52
mtreinish	which was part of the motivation of a rewrite to clean it up so you could actually debug it	17:53
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oomichi_	mtreinish: cool, thanks for heading up	17:53
oomichi_	ok, lets move on	17:53
oomichi_	#topic openstack-health	17:53
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oomichi_	how about o-h this week?	17:54
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mtreinish	nothing from me, I haven't had any time to work on it the past couple weeks	17:54
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oomichi_	ok, let's move on	17:55
oomichi_	#topic critical reviews	17:55
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oomichi_	do we have any reviews we need to review soon?	17:55
andreaf	oomichi_: only the last two in the client refactor	17:56
andreaf	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/client-manager-refactor	17:56
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oomichi_	andreaf: oh, just need last +2s	17:57
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oomichi_	andreaf: ok, will review after this	17:57
andreaf	thx	17:57
oomichi_	how about another ones?	17:57
oomichi_	ok, lets move on	17:57
oomichi_	#topic open discussion	17:57
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oomichi_	just notification	17:58
oomichi_	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint	17:58
oomichi_	the remaining sheets are 10 on the code sprint	17:58
oomichi_	please register soon if interested in	17:59
oomichi_	that is all from me	17:59
oomichi_	the time comes, thanks all	17:59
oomichi_	#endmeeting	18:00
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dtroyer	Heyo, OSC meeting time?	19:01
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rtheis	dtroyer: hi	19:03
dtroyer	OSC meeting courtesy ping: dhellmann, rtheis, stevemar, dstanek, MeganR, DuncanT, sheel, jgregor, baumann	19:03
dtroyer	Hey!	19:04
dtroyer	#startmeeting openstackclient	19:04
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 4 19:04:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	19:04
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	19:04
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)"		19:04
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'	19:04
dtroyer	well, could be short?	19:05
dstanek	o/ dtroyer	19:05
dstanek	pretty small following today	19:05
dtroyer	#topic 3.0 release	19:05
*** openstack changes topic to "3.0 release (Meeting topic: openstackclient)"		19:05
dtroyer	Let's start with where things are...	19:05
dtroyer	OSC 3.0 is getting close, I'm wrapping up the detains now on the dependencies	19:06
dtroyer	os-client-config 1.19.0 released last night and is working thoguht the g-r updates so we can test with it	19:06
dtroyer	osc-lib is theoretically ready for 1.0 once the release notes review merges, unless I've missed something	19:06
* stevemar sneaks in		19:07
stevemar	i will review those	19:07
dtroyer	and osc itself has two things outstanding from me (the integ tests and the shell changes) and IIRC still one thing from Henry	19:07
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stevemar	i think henry posted the change, it looked good IIRC	19:07
* dtroyer has mostly not paid attention to other reviews there this week		19:07
dtroyer	ok, good	19:07
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dtroyer	so that's the high level, I don't expect we'll propose 3.0 until monday given weekend timing and final testing.	19:08
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dtroyer	am I missing anything?	19:08
rtheis	I think that is correct	19:09
dtroyer	so let's talk specific then	19:09
dtroyer	#topic reviews	19:09
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dtroyer	#link https://review.openstack.org/351271	19:09
dtroyer	that's the osc-lib release notes.	19:10
dtroyer	at this point, that's what I'll pin for the 1.0 release	19:10
dtroyer	I see rtheis proposed the releasenotes job, thanks for that	19:10
rtheis	dtroyer: yw	19:10
dtroyer	rtheis: also, you had a comment in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345305/ about waiting for 1.0. Do you mean waiting until after?	19:11
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stevemar	i think this is henry's last patch that is neede https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283554/	19:12
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rtheis	dtroyer: I think we want this in 1.0 release	19:12
rtheis	it changes behavior so best to do in osc-lib 1.0 and osc 3.0 instead of after ?	19:12
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dtroyer	re-reading it I think I'll agree. it has a release note, so that's done, except should it be in the fixes section?	19:13
rtheis	yeah may in the fixes section	19:14
dtroyer	or conversly, should my summary batch be under upgrades?	19:14
dtroyer	I looked at it as a new lib, so it's a change from osc, not an upgrade. I could be persuaded though	19:14
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stevemar	nah, not upgrades	19:15
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dtroyer	ok, I'll tweak 345305 and get that ball rolling, those will be it for osc-lib 1.0 then	19:16
rtheis	sounds good	19:16
dtroyer	stevemar: pointed at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283554/ as Hentry's 3.0 blocker, will that be finished soon?	19:17
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* dtroyer will look closely tomorrow, but trusts stevemar's judgement for some reason		19:18
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stevemar	dtroyer: bad idea to trust it	19:18
stevemar	"just a few small issues, looks good overall though! "	19:19
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dtroyer	https://review.openstack.org/346113 is passing again, but I'd really rather merge the integ tests (https://review.openstack.org/349079) first for peace of mind about not breaking CLI behaviour in unexpected ways	19:20
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dtroyer	the integ tests need o-c-c 1.19.0 to pass though, so blocked on g-r	19:20
stevemar	i think we probably want to send a mailing list post about 3.0.0 being released	19:20
dtroyer	time to start poking folk	19:20
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* dtroyer looks at stevemar for jumping ahead ;)		19:21
stevemar	my bad	19:21
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stevemar	:)	19:22
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dtroyer	Those are the blockers for 3.0, are there any other open reviews that would be nice to have yet?	19:22
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rtheis	I don't have any	19:23
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stevemar	negative	19:23
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stevemar	dtroyer: oh we should get a cliff release in there	19:24
dtroyer	roger. We'll have enough stacked up to do a 3.next in a week or two anyway, that's fine.	19:24
stevemar	yeah	19:24
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dtroyer	oh! That would be good to, thanks. We're not blocked on anything I am aware of there, but that would be cleaner	19:24
stevemar	dtroyer: the only blocker is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342914/	19:25
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stevemar	which would help in osc's translationy stuff	19:25
dtroyer	thanks stevemar, I have not kept up in that one	19:25
dtroyer	yup, and should it be a change we'll want it now	19:26
rtheis	dtroyer: when should openstackclient be bumped in global requirements? It is at >=2.1.0 now	19:26
dtroyer	That really depends on others using it more than us	19:27
dtroyer	I prefer to be conservative there when we can	19:27
rtheis	okay	19:27
dtroyer	something like DevStack would be the ususal cause for a bump	19:27
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dtroyer	particularly when we get the startup time improved (which I have not yet measured for 3.0)	19:28
stevemar	rtheis: once 3.0.0 is released, we need to make changes to devstack for the backwards incompatiable changes in role list	19:28
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stevemar	cause devstack will start printing deprecation warnings	19:29
dtroyer	and there's when it'll get bumped in g-r ;)	19:29
stevemar	then we can propose the g-r patch to bump it to 3.0.0 and ask the puppet folks to depend on it	19:29
stevemar	and a few of the other usual consumers	19:29
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dtroyer	since we are breaking some things I think we need to move deliberately here	19:30
dtroyer	doing examples and help with plugins using osc-lib 1.0 is another area we can start with then	19:31
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dtroyer	and I think jamie is looking forward to seeing where else I am abusing ksa :)	19:31
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dtroyer	so for communication, I'll post to the ML before we cut the release that will have the complete stack overview	19:33
dtroyer	(now is the time stevemar)	19:33
rtheis	thank you	19:33
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dtroyer	we'll also need to make some passes through published docs to see what needs updating, I really have not even looked in to that yet	19:34
stevemar	dtroyer: i was just gonna say that we should start an etherpad to prep the mailing list content	19:34
stevemar	we really want to emphasize the change to role list and role assignment list	19:34
stevemar	and apologize profusely for it	19:35
dtroyer	you mean like https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-3.0-release?	19:35
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stevemar	oh hey look at that	19:36
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dtroyer	so lets move on while stevemar types in etherpad	19:37
dtroyer	#topci bugs	19:37
stevemar	:)	19:37
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stevemar	if i don't write things down they escape my tiny brain	19:37
dtroyer	Speaking of stevemar typing, he cleaned up the bug list big time, thanks!!!!	19:37
rtheis	thanks stevemar	19:37
stevemar	i'm proud of my golden beetle award	19:37
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rtheis	you should be, I was tired just looking at all of the emails generated	19:38
dtroyer	it'll be the only one to survive the award-shelf apocalypse	19:38
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stevemar	rtheis: lol	19:38
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stevemar	rtheis: and i did OSC after cleaning up keystone, keystoneauth, keystoneclient and keystonemiddleware	19:39
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rtheis	that's a lot of golden beetles	19:39
dtroyer	tha'ts 'in the zone'	19:39
dtroyer	and of course the first thing I see there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1593784	19:40
openstack	Launchpad bug 1593784 in python-openstackclient "trim requirements before 3.0.0 release" [High,Triaged]	19:40
dtroyer	another good pre-release thing for the list	19:40
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stevemar	yeah, with osc-lib in play we'll have a lot less reqs	19:41
dtroyer	I did have one report of problems with token auth yesterday, it may be fixed with the last shell review, so I'm waiting on that yet too	19:41
dtroyer	I don't think it is a 3.0 blocker as it is broken today in 2.6.0 though	19:41
dtroyer	not sure if a bug exists for it yet	19:42
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dtroyer	anything else bug-wise?	19:42
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rtheis	nothing from me	19:42
stevemar	nope	19:43
dtroyer	#topic open discussion	19:43
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dtroyer	what else is going on?	19:43
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rtheis	neutronclient merged first OSC plugin commands for network trunk	19:43
dtroyer	\o/	19:43
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stevemar	Huanxuan Ao is doing great work, i'll just leave that comment there :)	19:44
rtheis	+1	19:44
dtroyer	++++	19:44
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dtroyer	does he IRC?	19:44
stevemar	even picking up patches that are abandoned / lagging	19:45
stevemar	maybe, not our time at least	19:45
stevemar	i think he works with tang, maybe reach out to tang	19:46
dtroyer	looks like he does	19:46
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dtroyer	I had some questions from Ironic this week about handling properies in a show command differently	19:48
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dtroyer	leaning toward resource show —properites rather than attempting to nest them	19:48
dtroyer	its actually a list command under the hood, what I am unsure about is if it should be a list command at the cli	19:49
dtroyer	this pattern would be very helpful in other places where we have a similar problem, so getting it right will be a Good Thing	19:50
devananda	dtroyer: which command exactly?	19:50
stevemar	havent looked into it	19:50
* dtroyer tries to remember without notes		19:50
dtroyer	driver backend show, or something like that	19:50
dtroyer	it is listing the driver-specific backend properties	19:50
dtroyer	osc has this problem in general with resource properites, we currently just bunch them up as a single field in a show command, which is odd at best	19:51
devananda	"openstack baremetal node show --help" doesn't list anything about properties	19:51
dtroyer	its a new command, just a spec now	19:52
devananda	ahh. ok	19:52
dtroyer	I'll dig through my notes after the meeting	19:52
dtroyer	I am hoping this will help us sort out how to handle this case in general	19:53
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dtroyer	also, (related) we'll be doing another UX study in Barcelona	19:54
devananda	I lack the wider context to feel like I can propose anything general	19:54
* devananda goes back to ironic things :)		19:54
dtroyer	The properties thing is the kind of thing I would love to use those for, but I don't think we can wait that long here	19:54
dtroyer	thanks for checking in devananda	19:55
devananda	np!	19:55
dtroyer	anything else anyone?	19:55
stevemar	oh nice re: ux	19:55
rtheis	nothing else from me	19:55
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stevemar	nada	19:56
stevemar	excited to finally get this done	19:56
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dtroyer	wellallrightythen, let's go 3.0	19:56
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dtroyer	thanks guys!	19:56
dtroyer	#endmeeting	19:56
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rtheis	bye	19:56
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mriedem	#startmeeting nova	21:00
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takashin	o/	21:00
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jroll	hai	21:01
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scottda	hi	21:01
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mriedem	alright let's get started	21:02
mriedem	#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting	21:02
mriedem	#topic release news	21:02
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dansmith	o/	21:02
mriedem	#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule	21:02
mriedem	#info Today is the priority spec approval freeze. Anything still in nova-specs for review under specs/newton needs to be moved to specs/ocata else I'm going to abandon.	21:02
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mriedem	i've already started abandoning some non-priority specs that were rotting	21:02
mriedem	there are some priority ones still up for resource providers	21:02
mriedem	i don't know how many though....	21:03
mriedem	#info Aug 22-26: final non-client library release (oslo) - so if you need things released from dependent libraries get them done soon (oslo.policy?)	21:03
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mriedem	alaski: ^ aren't we dependent on some CLI / entrypoint stuff getting out of oslo.policy?	21:03
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alaski	the things we need are already there	21:04
jaypipes	o/	21:04
alaski	the entrypoint stuff needs to go in nova	21:04
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mriedem	so effective policy and duplicates is already in oslo.policy?	21:05
alaski	yes	21:05
mriedem	and released?	21:05
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mriedem	and g-r'ed?	21:05
mriedem	oh my	21:05
alaski	now, I do need to get it working fully because there was some odness with configs I didn't expect	21:05
alaski	mriedem: yep	21:05
alaski	so small fixes may be needed	21:05
mriedem	ok	21:05
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mriedem	we've got 2 weeks	21:06
alaski	noted	21:06
mriedem	any questions from anyone else on schedules?	21:06
mriedem	just a reminder that 9/2 is n-3 and feature freeze	21:06
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mriedem	so 3 weeks away	21:06
jaypipes	4 weeks.	21:06
mriedem	well more like 4	21:06
mriedem	yeah	21:06
mriedem	let's pretend it's 3	21:07
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mriedem	#topic bugs	21:07
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mriedem	gate is a-ok	21:07
mriedem	i still have to sort out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349014/	21:07
mriedem	so we can re-enable the test that was failing last week	21:07
mriedem	danpb gave me some pointers though	21:08
mriedem	in third party ci status, Intel NFV CI is voting now	21:08
mriedem	wznoinsk is on the hook for that	21:08
mriedem	so speak up if anyone sees any weirdness	21:08
mriedem	no critical bugs	21:09
mriedem	moving on	21:09
mriedem	#topic reminders	21:09
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mriedem	#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking	21:09
mriedem	#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?	21:09
mriedem	looks like next week is open for bug triage	21:09
mriedem	#topic stable branch status	21:09
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mriedem	did a stable/mitaka review push the last 2 days and have a 13.1.1 release request up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351400/	21:10
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mriedem	#topic subteam highlights	21:10
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mriedem	alaski: cellsv2 meeting news?	21:10
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alaski	mostly we discussed patches under review	21:11
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alaski	progress on most fronts	21:11
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alaski	I have a few patches I'm currently working on, otherwise everything for N seems up	21:11
alaski	that's about all I can recall	21:11
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alaski	oh	21:12
alaski	we need some grenade testing	21:12
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alaski	I need to pester the responsible party on that	21:12
mriedem	he who cannot be named	21:12
alaski	but we should get that in N to make our lives easier for O	21:12
* dansmith wonders who we're talking about		21:12
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mriedem	satan	21:12
mriedem	we're talking about satan	21:12
* Vek was thinking Voldemort		21:13
auggy	the flying spaghetti monster	21:13
dansmith	oh good, as long as it's not me, I'm good	21:13
alaski	I have some bad news...	21:13
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alaski	anyways, that's all	21:13
Vek	hehe :)	21:13
mriedem	i thought there was more to that	21:13
mriedem	ok	21:13
jlvillal	o/	21:13
jaypipes	mriedem: from the scheduler/resource tracker side of things, we're progressing pretty well. got the aggregate metadata to api db patches in and there are about 35 or so patches outstanding in review from me, cdent, and dansmith around the REST API and objects work. Hoping now that Chris is back to work that we'll push forward and get reviews done over the next week.	21:13
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* jaypipes has to run and drop jules off at a restaurant... :( will be back shortly.		21:14
mriedem	thanks	21:14
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mriedem	alaski: dansmith: speaking of, i'm close on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300177/ just need to review the latest	21:14
mriedem	but should be good to get in today	21:14
mriedem	i don't know where we're sitting with dynamic resource classes and such	21:14
alaski	okay, I'll rereview	21:14
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mriedem	live migration meeting, was anyone there?	21:15
mriedem	i didn't make it	21:15
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mriedem	i see tdurakov has a change up to add nfs back to the live migration job	21:15
mriedem	but it was failing last night	21:15
mriedem	otherwise all review should probably just be on mdbooth's imagebackend refactor series	21:16
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mriedem	sdague: you around?	21:16
mriedem	for the api meeting,	21:16
mriedem	we mostly talked about the os-interface deprecation thread/spec and decided to defer that to ocata	21:16
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mriedem	and gmann's imageRef uuid fix is merged	21:17
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mriedem	the other thing is the user_id policy enforcement spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/	21:17
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mriedem	we also need to resolve https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1609039	21:18
openstack	Launchpad bug 1609039 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Should not be able to sort instances based on joined tables" [High,Triaged]	21:18
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mriedem	which doesn't have an owner yet	21:18
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mriedem	lbeliveau: was there an sriov/pci meeting this week?	21:18
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mikal	.	21:18
mriedem	alright moving on	21:18
lbeliveau	mriedem: yes, but it was pretty quick	21:18
mriedem	lbeliveau: ah ok	21:19
mriedem	lbeliveau: anything you want to mention?	21:19
lbeliveau	we landed a few patches for migration	21:19
lbeliveau	no, good for now	21:19
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mriedem	ok	21:19
mriedem	#topic stuck reviews	21:19
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mriedem	there was nothing on the agenda	21:19
mriedem	#topic open discussion	21:19
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mriedem	nothing on the agenda, so i'll open it up	21:19
hemna	mriedem, hey	21:20
mriedem	yessir	21:20
hemna	so I just filed a bug against detach for shelved instance	21:20
hemna	there was a tempest tests that had a skip removed recently	21:20
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hemna	and now it's breaking several cinder 3rd party CIs	21:20
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mriedem	link?	21:20
hemna	because the detach is passing a bogus connector	21:20
hemna	https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1609984	21:21
openstack	Launchpad bug 1609984 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "volume-detach fails for shelved instance" [Undecided,New]	21:21
hemna	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339472/	21:21
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scottda	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339472/	21:21
mriedem	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257853/ ?	21:21
hemna	that's the patch that just removed the skip	21:21
mriedem	so revert the tempest patch?	21:21
hemna	I think so yah	21:21
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hemna	I don't see how this will work until detach for shelved can get fixed	21:21
mriedem	ok	21:22
mriedem	i think andrearosa has done some work in this area so he might know more	21:22
mriedem	but i'd have to dig into the bug i guess	21:22
hemna	ok	21:22
mriedem	#help https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1609984 is breaking cinder 3rd party CIs	21:22
openstack	Launchpad bug 1609984 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "volume-detach fails for shelved instance" [Undecided,New]	21:22
hemna	I just wanted to raise it here with you guys.	21:22
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mriedem	ok, should probably drop that in the -qa channel also	21:23
mriedem	in the meantime,	21:23
mriedem	tempest can be configured to not run shelve tests	21:24
hemna	we are going to just add a skip in our CI for now as a quick fix	21:24
mriedem	anything else for open discussion?	21:24
hemna	we've been failing 100% since that landed	21:24
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lbeliveau	yes quick one	21:24
lbeliveau	forgot, we got jays +2, would need another core to look at it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328983/	21:24
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mriedem	lbeliveau: is ci covering that?	21:25
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Vek	lbeliveau: reviewed	21:25
mriedem	heh oh well nevermind	21:26
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lbeliveau	mriedem: not yet, we proposed a tempest, but it's not merged yet	21:26
mriedem	ok	21:26
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mriedem	i wasn't sure if this was one of those cases where resize on local would test it	21:26
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lbeliveau	thanks !	21:26
mriedem	alright, if nothing else, we'll call it a meeting	21:27
mriedem	thanks everyone	21:27
mriedem	#endmeeting	21:27
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		21:27
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Aug 4 21:27:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	21:27
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-08-04-21.00.html	21:27
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-08-04-21.00.txt	21:27
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-08-04-21.00.log.html	21:27
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armax	yello	21:58
HenryG	o/	21:58
armax	knock knock anyone outta there?	21:58
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HenryG	crickets	21:59
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amotoki	o/	21:59
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armax	let’s see if the majority of folks boycott the meeting again	22:00
* haleyb wants to be outta here, but will lurk around		22:00
* dasm is trying to follow.		22:00
armax	dougwig, amuller, kevinbenton, carl_baldwin: ?	22:00
armax	udere?	22:00
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armax	#startmeeting neutron_drivers	22:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 4 22:01:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	22:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	22:01
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'	22:01
armax	let’s start, and see who shows up	22:01
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armax	perhaps we can have a quick one	22:01
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armax	did any of you see the email I sent eaerlier today?	22:02
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HenryG	yes	22:02
amotoki	I just saw it	22:02
armax	amotoki: makes sense?	22:02
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amotoki	yes	22:02
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armax	#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100881.html	22:03
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armax	amotoki: now that I have you here	22:03
armax	any updaet on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/dhcp-options-per-subnet?	22:03
armax	the blueprint is full of cobwebs and dust	22:03
armax	do we just forget it about it?	22:03
armax	and move on with our lives?	22:03
armax	last update is on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1512666/comments/20	22:04
openstack	Launchpad bug 1512666 in neutron "[RFE] Allow for per-subnet/network dhcp options" [Wishlist,Incomplete] - Assigned to Sam Betts (sambetts)	22:04
kevinbenton	Hi	22:04
armax	kevinbenton: hi	22:04
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amotoki	I think this is not so high priority for ironic folks. It helps us reduce configuraitons, but it is not a requirement.	22:05
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armax	amotoki: ok, so I suppose we’ll have to shelve for Newton?	22:06
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amotoki	I think so.	22:06
amotoki	this is useful when it is combined with the other one (serve unknown DHCP port)	22:06
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amotoki	but it is not so useful only with that.	22:07
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armax	ok	22:07
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armax	amotoki: as for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-in-tree-api-ref	22:09
armax	do you want someone that can help with the approval process?	22:09
amotoki	i'd like to discuss here it is okay with self-approve.	22:10
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amotoki	this is just the reason I make the approver blank.	22:10
HenryG	I can help with that	22:10
armax	amotoki: what do to you mean exactly?	22:10
HenryG	Put me as the approver	22:10
amotoki	I think there is some place to track the whole effort. some link.	22:10
amotoki	*some link in commit message.	22:11
armax	HenryG: ok	22:11
amotoki	it helps us track the whole efforts	22:11
armax	amotoki: keep me in the loop too	22:11
HenryG	amotoki: someone from docs?	22:11
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amotoki	HenryG: nobody at now	22:12
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amotoki	I think we can ask Anne to check some of reviews. I will contact her later.	22:12
armax	amotoki: those are the things that are on your radar but the looks of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/newton/+assignments	22:14
armax	amotoki: obviously you’re helping with the OSC too	22:14
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amotoki	yeah. fwaas folks contacted me for fwaas CLI.	22:15
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amotoki	they want to start FWaaS v2 CLI impl.	22:15
armax	I’ll sync up with carl_baldwin about the latest status of the bp’s assigned to him	22:15
armax	amotoki: any idea where FWaaS v2 effort is at in general?	22:15
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amotoki	I am not following FWaaS v2 progress itself.	22:16
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amotoki	is anyone watching it?	22:16
armax	the entire list of commits between Feb and now fits into two gerrit pages	22:17
armax	that’s not good	22:17
armax	neutron’s two pages view covers just one week	22:17
armax	oh well	22:17
amotoki	most patches are marked as WIP...	22:17
armax	ok, we’ll try to reach out to sridar	22:18
armax	offline	22:18
armax	HenryG: now that mother all of patches went in	22:18
armax	for Keystone v5343	22:18
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armax	what’s next?	22:18
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HenryG	project_id in/out of API	22:19
armax	ack	22:19
HenryG	And then incremental renames internally	22:19
armax	you got a WIPPY patch?	22:19
armax	I did see Ihar starting somewhere	22:19
armax	I wondered if he was coordinating with you	22:19
HenryG	no, but I will try to get some coordination started	22:19
armax	ok	22:20
HenryG	dasm has indicated he will propose an API patch soon	22:20
armax	one thing worth considering is whether we wanna do the rename in one bulk after feature freeze	22:20
armax	like we did for other massive rename efforts	22:20
armax	it worked well in the past	22:20
dasm	HenryG: yes. that's the plan	22:20
HenryG	I'll keep that in mind	22:20
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armax	ok none of the other approvers for blueprints are in channel	22:21
armax	by the looks of it	22:21
amotoki	bulk rename sounds good.	22:21
armax	kevinbenton: routed networks?	22:21
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armax	rossella_s and ajo are way past their bedtime	22:21
armax	I’ll reach out to them offline	22:21
kevinbenton	Still proceeding	22:21
kevinbenton	Not sure how much is left	22:22
armax	I need to sync up with ryan about the BGP hingy	22:22
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kevinbenton	carl_baldwin around?	22:22
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haleyb	https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/routed-networks shows good progress	22:22
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armax	kevinbenton: can we get a progress bar like type of update?	22:22
armax	70%, 50%, 90%?	22:22
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armax	last update on the bp goes back to Apr	22:22
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kevinbenton	Maybe like 70 if you include the scheduling changes in Nova	22:23
armax	kevinbenton: ok	22:23
kevinbenton	But higher if we exclude that since that won't make Newton anyway	22:23
armax	ok folks	22:23
armax	anything else you want to touch base on?	22:23
kevinbenton	What's happening with VPNaas?	22:23
kevinbenton	It's not like it's fundamentally broken, it just needs maintenance right?	22:24
armax	not sure the latest	22:25
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kevinbenton	Ack	22:26
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amotoki	one missing point on vpnaas is document (networking guide and devref). if we keep only ipsec vpn, it looks maintenance mode.	22:26
kevinbenton	Yeah, it seems like it would be worth keeping alive if it just needs bitrot prevention	22:27
armax	yes, it seems like the projects will eventually rot	22:27
armax	kevinbenton: but bitrot prevention can only get you so far	22:28
armax	that said, we have a few folks from IBM who are helping	22:28
kevinbenton	Ok	22:28
armax	so I would expect mestery and regxboi to know more	22:28
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amotoki	I heard from mestery IBM uses it.	22:29
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kevinbenton	Yeah, there are others out there too	22:30
kevinbenton	Seems to work with its known limitations	22:30
armax	the project is there for anyone to pick it up	22:30
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armax	ok folks	22:32
armax	anything else?	22:32
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amotoki	nothing from me	22:33
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HenryG	me neither	22:34
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armax	ok	22:34
armax	thanks for joining!	22:34
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armax	#endmeeting	22:35
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