Wednesday, 2016-12-14

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sridhar_ram#startmeeting tacker05:30
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 14 05:30:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:30
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sridhar_ram#topic Roll Call05:30
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sridhar_ramwho is here for tacker meeting?05:30
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sridhar_ramhowdy all !!05:32
sridhar_ramwelcome to the new timeslot!05:32
sridhar_ramlet's start..05:32
sridhar_ram#topic Agenda05:32
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sridhar_ram#topic Announcments05:32
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sridhar_ram5 weeks until Ocata Feature Freeze05:33
sridhar_ram.. please get in your client and API changes as soon as possible05:33
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sridhar_ramnothing else announce05:34
sridhar_ram#topic Spec-less blueprints rundown05:34
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sridhar_ramWe now allow some simple enhancements to be submitted *without* a need to write a details spec05:35
sridhar_ramI still like to run them in the weekly meeting at regular intervals to bring it to team's attention.05:35
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sridhar_ramPlease voice your thoughts as I run them down, particularly if you think some of them more information or we should not approve05:36
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dkushwahasridhar_ram, Thanks for assigning me, as i am already working on it05:37
sridhar_rampretty straight forward, the VNF template we introduced in May 2015 will now be completely removed05:37
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sridhar_ramdkushwaha: thanks and glad to see the patcshets are already in :)05:37
sridhar_ramany questions on this BP ?05:38
dkushwahasridhar_ram, no05:38
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sridhar_ramthis already got merged, so moving on05:38
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sridhar_ramThis is an important BP05:39
sridhar_ram.. it brings in parameter support for VNF Forwarding Graph05:39
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sridhar_ramThe idea is these BPs don't have any controversial design plots to debate..05:40
sridhar_ramI'd like to get team's opinion on this...05:40
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sridhar_ramThis BP proposes to use Tacker for hosting HOT templates in its catalog05:41
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haiwei_I am not sure why this feature is needed?05:42
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sridhar_ramThe motivation behind this is, some operators have a mix of TOSCA templates and HOT templates in this ops and now they can use a single service (Tacker) to instantiate both05:42
sridhar_rams/this ops/their ops/05:43
sripriyais this separate from the feature implementing direct vnfd template?05:43
sridhar_ramI do see some challenges in our API response, particular for fields like mgmt_ip in vnf-create response05:43
sridhar_ramsripriya: yes, they are unrelated to each other05:44
sridhar_ramdkushwaha: thanks for the resp05:44
sripriyais this feature supposed to support monitoring and mgmt driver support?05:45
jankisridhar_ram, mgmt_driver info too is derived from tosca template05:45
sridhar_ramsripriya: it won't support any TOSCA features.. it is a pure passthru' to Heat Client05:45
sripriyasridhar_ram: then wouldnt the customer directly use heat?05:45
tung_sripriya: for alarm monitor, it help alot05:46
haiwei_then how to configure monitoring and mgmt driver?05:46
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sridhar_ramhaiwei_: entities beyond and above tacker need to have any monitoring and mgmt of the VMs spawned using HOT template05:47
sridhar_ramhowever, we atleast need to export the ip addresses of the VMs05:47
sridhar_ramagain, I'm wondering if we are opening a can of worm with this BP05:47
haiwei_sridhar_ram, that mean user needs to prepare for two templates?05:47
sripriyasridhar_ram: i understand the need for aggregating a catalog with both tosca and heat templates05:48
sridhar_ramsripriya: the main diff I see with this vs directly calling Heat client is .. you can upload your HOT template in the catalog and instantiate many stacks using that.05:48
sripriyasridhar_ram: probably worth visiting this once we come up with a separate catalog module05:48
sridhar_ramsripriya: that could work too..05:49
sridhar_ramhow many of you think this needs more thought, perhaps we should write a proper spec ?05:49
jankisridhar_ram, +1 to spec05:49
haiwei_+1 for spec05:50
tung_sridhar_ram: +1 for this spec05:50
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sridhar_ramalright, spec it is :)05:50
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: why do you think we need two templates ?05:50
dkushwahahaiwei_,  IMO ueser should not prepare for both, but can have choice for both.05:51
jankisripriya, what do you mean by separate catalog module?05:51
haiwei_sridhar_ram: I misunderstood it I think05:51
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: no worries05:51
sripriyajanki; right now we have catalog integrated in to vnfm and have separate resources for each of vnfd, vnffgd and nsd05:51
sripriyajanki: we will need to refactor that to come up with a generic catalog module handling multiple catalog types05:52
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jankisripriya, are you saying to separate vnfd and vnf logic from a single file?05:52
* sridhar_ram notes to write a BP in launchpad for that05:53
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sripriyajanki: yeah05:53
sripriyajanki: we can put it that way05:53
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jankisripriya, sridhar_ram that is really nice. I would like to take it up if noone is taking05:54
sridhar_ramI'll write a BP, it is more a refactoring activity and it is a reasonable one05:54
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sridhar_ram#action sridhar_ram to write a BP request in launchpad for common template catalog across vnfm and nfvo05:55
jankisridhar_ram, please assign it to me if there is no owner05:55
sridhar_ramjanki: sure, will do! thanks05:55
jankisridhar_ram, thanks05:55
sridhar_rammoving to the next topic..05:55
sridhar_ram#topic Refactor openstack driver05:55
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* sridhar_ram is wondering if Kanagaraj is here05:56
sripriyahaiwei_: thanks for taking this up!05:57
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: I see test_vnf_tosca_scale func test is still failing, any clue?05:57
haiwei_sridhar_ram, I am still investigating it05:57
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: okay, np...05:57
haiwei_sridhar_ram, will keep on it later05:57
sridhar_ramI really happy we have a decent collection of func test to do these surgical refactoring .. god bless dsvm gate :)05:58
sridhar_ramas I left in the comment, we need a follow on to consolidate the vnfm openstack driver with nfvo one at
sridhar_ramsripriya: what do you think?05:59
sripriyasridhar_ram: i need to take a look into the patch, will try to review it soon05:59
sripriyasridhar_ram: but i agree with you on the consolidation part06:00
sridhar_ramsripriya: okay, thanks06:00
sripriyasridhar_ram: in to VIM module06:00
sridhar_ramsripriya: it is mostly code shifting, correct? wondering if this can be absorbed in Ocata06:01
sripriyasridhar_ram: i think yes06:02
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: anything else on this topic?06:02
sridhar_rammoving on06:02
sridhar_ram#topic Tacker-Senlin integration spec06:02
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sridhar_ramxuan0802_: haiwei_: is this something you can finish in Ocata ?06:03
haiwei_sridhar_ram, I think we can :)06:03
haiwei_sridhar_ram: we can get help from the guys in Senlin team06:04
sridhar_ramthe main concern i have is dependency of Senlin service for Tacker...06:04
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haiwei_sridhar_ram: yes, I understand, but it should be no problem imo06:05
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haiwei_sridhar_ram: Senlin has good team, and keep getting the project better and better06:05
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sridhar_ramI haven't tracked Senlin recently.. glad to hear that06:06
sridhar_ramdoes Senlin do regular cycle release ?06:06
haiwei_sridhar_ram: In fact you can ask any questions related to senlin in IRC channel06:06
haiwei_sridhar_ram: of course, Senlin will release regularly06:07
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: thanks06:07
elynn__@sridhar_ram mitaka is 1.0.0 and newton is 2.0.006:07
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sridhar_ramelynn__: thanks!06:08
elynn__And senlin follows the milestones of openstack community.06:08
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sridhar_ramelynn__: cool06:08
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: are there any plans beyond auto-scaling for Tacker+Senlin ?06:08
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haiwei_sridhar_ram: yes, besides auto-scaling, senlin also has policies for HA06:09
haiwei_I think it is the next step is inviting senlin's HA policy to Tacker06:10
sridhar_ramokay, the reason for my question is .. we are putting tacker users and devs into some level of pain by introducing Senlin to support a feature that already exists.. want to make sure we have plans to introduce enhanced tacker features using senlin integration06:10
haiwei_This is a big topic, so I didn't write the details in the Senlin integration spec06:11
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: totally agree, we have now is the right approach..06:11
sridhar_ramnow, when can be bring in HA support using senlin ?06:12
sridhar_ramPike ?06:12
sridhar_rams/can be/can we/06:12
haiwei_srihar_ram: I am not sure introducing Senlin is a pain, maybe it can be the only auto-scaling solution in Tacker someday06:12
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sridhar_ramhaiwei_: i'm sure senlin is a high quality service to depend on...06:13
haiwei_sridhar_ram: HA support in Senlin has some problems on lbaas, because lbaas is deprecated, and there is a bug there06:13
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sridhar_ramhaiwei_: I see, perhaps we can plan that for Pike release06:13
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haiwei_sridhar_ram: yes06:14
Qimingthe bug is only relevant if you want a LBaaS based node failure detection, we are bugging the Octavia team06:14
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sridhar_rammy understanding is Tacker will not have a library dependency on Senlin, rather it will have indirect dependency through Heat / HOT Senlin node types ?06:15
sridhar_ramis this understanding correct?06:15
Qimingsridhar_ram, I'd suggest Tacker to depend on openstacksdk, :)06:16
QimingSenlin is not depending on any service clients or libraries other than openstacksdk06:16
sridhar_ramQiming: we can always do that, but my question still remains06:16
haiwei_sridhar_ram: I am afraid Tacker needs to depend on Senlin library06:17
Qimingservice level, you will have that dependency06:17
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sridhar_ramso, it is Tacker --> Senlin --> Heat ?06:17
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haiwei_sridhar_ram: it is Tacker -> Heat -> Senlin -> Heat06:17
Qimingit depends on how you will use senlin features06:18
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: ouch, that's a recursion ;-)06:18
Qimingif you would rather to stick to Heat templates06:18
Qimingthe dependency would be Tacker -> Heat -> Senlin06:18
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Qimingif you do want more knobs on managing your resource pool, you can interact with Senlin directly06:19
sridhar_ramQiming: haiwei_: can we see if we can stick to Tacker -> Heat -> Senlin ..06:19
Qimingbehind the scene, Senlin can invoke either Heat or Nova directly to get the job done06:19
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Qimingas a first step POC, that is a reasonable, viable approach06:20
sridhar_ramQiming: good06:20
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sridhar_ramhaiwei_: what do you think?06:20
haiwei_sridhar_ram: According to my spec, the process should be Tacker-> Heat -> Senlin, after senlin is deployed, the auto scaling is controlled by Senlin06:21
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sridhar_ramhaiwei_: okay, we are good then.. again with this approach there shouldn't be any requirements.txt dep to senlinclient06:22
haiwei_sridhar_ram: If you want to make it Tacker -> Senlin directly, there will be big changes in Tacker06:22
sripriyahaiwei: is it possible to manually scale using senlin?06:22
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sripriyahaiwei_: ^06:22
haiwei_sripriya: of course06:22
sridhar_ramsripriya: good catch..06:23
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: please clarify the manual scaling support in your spec...06:23
haiwei_sridhar_ram: if you want to make it manually scalable, you need to use Senlinclient06:23
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: ouch06:23
Qiming... or you should skip senlinclient completely06:24
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: we can't get away with a stack-update like we are currently doing for ASG based solution ?06:24
elynn__Or use senlin receiver to scale a cluster.06:24
* sridhar_ram notes 5mins left06:24
Qimingthe goal of maitaining senlinclient, beyond Pike cycle, would be only for OSC plugins06:24
haiwei_sridhar_ram: there is no way to make a service working if you have no client , right?06:24
Qimingwe will recommend using openstacksdk directly06:24
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QimingHeat is not talking to senlin via senlinclient, correct? elynn__ ?06:25
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elynn__Heat is talking with senlin via senlinclient06:25
sridhar_ramQiming: i'm interchangably using senlinclient and openstacksdk client.. i was trying to avoid code level API dependency and get away with just HOT template based senlin dependency06:25
elynn__not openstacksdk yet.06:25
sridhar_ramFolks - we got to wrap this discussion up, we are almost out of time06:26
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: if you can zoom in on two aspects (a) manual scale support and (b) avoid direct API dependency06:27
sridhar_ramwe can take the discussion to gerrit06:27
sridhar_ramsounds good ?06:27
haiwei_sridhar_ram: I will update the spec06:27
sridhar_ramhaiwei_: thanks06:28
sridhar_ramthanks senlin team for bringing this in.. and this lively discussion06:28
Qimingglad to help06:28
sridhar_ramif needed we can take it up again in next week's call06:28
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sridhar_ramhope we can wrap up in gerrit itself06:28
sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion06:29
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sridhar_ramhope this time works for most of you06:29
sridhar_rami still don't see gongysh06:29
gongyshsridhar_ram, it seems I am not used to it yet.06:29
sridhar_ramgongysh: ah,you are lurking ..!06:29
sripriyasridhar_ram: good to buzz interested folks at the start of the meeting06:29
s3wongsridhar_ram: it was actually the same old time we had with yamahata :-)06:29
sridhar_ramgongysh: we will fix that06:29
sripriyasridhar_ram: folsk can add their irc handles in tacker wiki meeting page06:30
sridhar_ramalright.. times up..!06:30
sridhar_rami see some new irc handles.. welcome to tacker06:30
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ramishra#startmeeting heat08:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 14 08:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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ramishra#topic roll call08:00
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elynn__this meeting is conflict with my other meeting..08:02
ramishraelynn__: ok np:)08:02
ramishranot many around.08:03
shizhihui_hi, all08:03
ramishrashizhihui_: hi08:03
ramishralet's just move on and finish it quickly.08:03
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ramishra#topic adding items to agenda08:03
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ramishrathere are only 2 items.08:04
ramishra#topic ocata-2 status08:05
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ramishrahuangtianhua: I think the composite alarm patch would land soon08:05
ramishrawould you please change that bp once it lands?08:05
huangtianhuaI hope this land before o-208:06
ramishrait's approved right?08:06
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ramishraI'm going to cut the release only tomorrow.08:06
ramishrathere 9 bugs In progess08:07
huangtianhuathe jenkins is running08:07
ramishrarequest all to review them.08:08
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huangtianhuawill review them later:) all of them are in-progress08:08
ramishraricolin, I'll move bug 1640829 to ocata-308:09
openstackbug 1640829 in heat "need option to by pass stack validation" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rico Lin (rico-lin)08:09
ramishraI don't think the patches can land in 2 days.08:09
ramishraRest all look ok.08:09
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ramishra#topic OpenStack sample workload templates08:11
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huangtianhua I think we should move this to o-3 too08:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1637304 in heat "Zaqar queue can be inadvertently deleted" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Jason Dunsmore (jasondunsmore)08:11
ramishrahuangtianhua: I don't know what's there left in that bug to fix08:12
ramishraso coming back to this topic08:12
ramishraEnterprise Working Group is working on the reference architectures for all these workloads.08:13
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ramishrathey have requested if someone from the heat team can help them with this.08:14
ramishraThis is a way to make heat more visible as a project too.08:14
ramishraif anyone is interested, please let me know.08:15
huangtianhuaseems only me here :)08:15
ramishralet's finish this quickly.08:15
ramishraIf we don't have attendance in these meetings, we may postpone it to later in the day.08:16
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ramishra#topic open discussion08:16
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ramishraI would like more feedback on the rolling upgrade spec08:17
huangtianhuaI think it's good start08:17
ramishraWe need to setup a multinode grenade job to test it.08:18
huangtianhuaand the way looks like so easy08:18
ramishrayeah, we should do as little as possible and make it work:)08:19
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ramishraif anyone wants to help me please let me know08:19
Qimingit has to be multi-node?08:19
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huangtianhuayes, I think so08:20
ramishraQiming: I mean we need 2 engines one newton and one ocata for the tests08:20
Qimingem ... guess so, we address api by ports08:20
ramishrayeah api services too08:20
ramishraQiming:  we agreed in the last meeting that we are ok for API V208:21
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Qiminggood news08:21
ramishraif anyone wants to work in it.08:21
ramishraon it.08:22
QimingI think huangtianhua is interested08:22
huangtianhuaI would love on the v208:22
huangtianhuayes, you are right:)08:22
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QimingI'd like to serve you on this, :)08:22
ramishraI have got reuests from other people.08:23
ramishraI'll redirect them;)08:23
ramishraok, I'm done08:23
ramishraAnything else?08:23
QimingAPI is the most valuable assets from OS08:23
Qimingnothing from me08:23
huangtianhuanothing from me08:24
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ramishraok, thanks all for joining.08:24
ramishra#endmeeting heat08:24
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:00
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:00
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joehuang#info joehuang13:00
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:00
longxiongqiu#info longxiongqiu13:01
Yipei_#info Yipei13:01
hejiawei#info jiawei13:01
RongHui11#info ronghui13:01
liukun#info liukun13:01
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joehuang#topic VxLAN L2 networking across Neutron feature13:02
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joehuangcurrently the combined bridge network spec is approaching to be merged13:02
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joehuangbut still want to wait for more review comment for one to two week13:03
joehuangand the code is also submitted by zhiyuan for review too13:03
liuzeyu#info liuzeyu13:03
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joehuangit's time for use to start the discussion of VxLAN L2 networking across Neutron13:03
joehuangas you know, currently only shared VLAN is supported13:04
joehuangJunsik told me he is not able to attend the meeting, but he sent me some info about his experiment on L2 networking across openstack cloud13:05
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joehuangyour thoughts?13:05
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zhiyuanhow did Junsik do the experiment? manually add the flow?13:06
joehuangTo connect Multi-region OpenStack instances, I add an additional bridge named "br-cap" and configure tunnel ports on the bridge. And the bridge "br-cap" is controlled by ONOS SDN controller.13:07
joehuangTo automate the configuration, I introduced a concept of template-based automation . I defined a self-defined template format to describe virtual network topology over multiple servers.13:07
joehuangThen my tool automates the configuration of OVS bridges and VXLAN ports via OVSDB protocol, and calls ONOS APIs to down OpenFlow rules to "br-cap" bridges.13:07
joehuangAs the basic flow rules, we just set broadcast flow rules not fine-grained flow rules. For example, a packet arrives br-cap from br-int, then "br-cap" broadcast the packet to all tunnels.13:07
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joehuangthe picture can not be pasted here13:07
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joehuangthe idea is interesting13:09
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zhiyuanthe ONOS SDN controller interact with Neutron server via ML2 mechanism driver?13:10
joehuangI don't think so13:11
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joehuangwe need to have a meeting to discuss this with Junsik13:11
Yipei_so one port of the br-cap connects to br-int, the other connects to the br-tun?13:12
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zhiyuani think br-tun is not needed13:12
zhiyuanbr-cap does the work13:13
joehuangI'll try to find a place to put the pictures sent by Junsik13:13
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joehuangand during the barcelona summit,when we talked with Kevin about the L2 networking across Neutron, Kevin prefer to rk across Neutron13:14
Yipei_is it ok for neutron community that we abandon br-tun?13:14
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joehuangand Kevin prefer to store the vtep in port binding info for push notification13:15
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joehuangand by the way for external communication13:15
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joehuangIt take times to think over the method for VxLAN l2 networking across Neutron13:18
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joehuanglet's have a meeting at 10:00am (utc 2:00am), I'll provide an etherpad link tomorrow in IRC13:19
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joehuang#action have a online meeting to discuss VxLAN l2 networking across Neutron13:20
joehuang#info on UTC2:00am  Dec 1513:20
joehuang#info i.e Beijing time 10:00 am Dec.15, Korea/Japan 11:00 am Dec 1513:21
joehuang#info etherpad link will be provided in IRC13:21
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joehuang#topic Ocata feature development review13:22
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joehuanglet's have a short review on the feature development13:22
joehuangplease describe shortly and discuss as needed13:22
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longxiongqiuqos code has completed , i need some time to test in two nodes envir13:24
RongHui11fix some environment patch and continue to perfect the configuration guide13:24
Yipei_for lbaas, learn to write lbaas service plugin, and writing spec.13:24
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zhiyuan(1) patch to fix resource deletion has got one +2 (2) patch for bridge network combination is still under review, as Joe mentioned (3) a new patch to adpat DVR in cross-pod l3 networking has been submitted (4) start to consider async job reliability improvement13:24
joehuango, xiongqiu, your blueprint and spec also needed13:24
yinxiulinI am doing network and subnet resources update13:25
joehuangto Ronghui, good, configuration guide is better and better13:25
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dongfengreleasenote for routing api is delayed for there is a math test this week. and i will deal with it this weekend.13:25
joehuangto Zhiyuan, great progress!13:26
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joehuangto Xiulin, keep going13:26
yinxiulinok, i will13:26
joehuangto Dongfeng, it's ok for release notes, it's not very urgent13:26
joehuangto Yipei, good, for LBaaS, we may need some online discuss, could you organize it?13:27
joehuangbefore you submit the spec13:28
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hejiaweifor me, I am claening tables,but  when some tables removed,related futures should update.13:29
Yipei_i will create an etherpad and write down some items to be discussed, when i have a better understanding of lbaas13:29
joehuangto Jiawei, which feature needs to update, you mean the az_hint for external network?13:30
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joehuangis there any other features need to update?13:32
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dongfengpod binding api and its doc should be removed,and resource api shoud be changed too13:33
dongfengresource routing api shoud be changed too13:33
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joehuangfor pod table, how do you think about to change the pod_name to region_name13:34
hejiaweiI just remove some tables that not need update future13:34
joehuangit's ok to clean step by step13:34
joehuangwith several patches13:35
joehuangsmall patch will get merged sooner13:35
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joehuangto Dongfeng, yes, these should be update too13:35
hejiaweiso,next week,maybe I will meet some trouble,I am going to ask you in irc13:35
joehuangno problem, welcome13:35
joehuangfor pod_name, I searched the repository, seems 30 places found13:36
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dongfengcould i complete the pod binding api clean part?13:36
hejiaweiof course. :)13:36
dongfengincluding pod binding api clean, it's doc clean, and resource api update.13:37
joehuangyes, dongfeng, please13:37
joehuangit's open source13:37
joehuangcolloboration is welcome13:37
dongfengfine. i will deal with them later.13:37
RongHui11it also need some synchronize from tricircle to trio2o and i am working on it13:37
joehuangok, Ronghui13:38
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joehuang#info smaller patch will get merged sooner13:38
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joehuangfor az_hint, I have one idea13:39
joehuangusually az_hint will be put with az name list13:39
joehuangbut for tricircle, we map az to region13:39
joehuangand for external network, input region in az_hint13:40
joehuangso when there is need to lookup the az, will search the pod first13:40
joehuangand if the az name in the pod table is not matched,13:41
joehuangwe can search again whether the region_name can be matched13:41
joehuangthis will bring flexibility to network/router az_hint input13:41
joehuanghow do you think about this idea?13:41
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zhiyuanhow about users specify az in the az_hint when creating external network?13:44
joehuangfirst match AZ(it's still one parameter in pod table), if not find try to match pod_name13:45
zhiyuanbut we need pod for external network13:46
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zhiyuanaz may contain more than one pod13:46
joehuangif more than one, should we check to see if there is external network in that pod?13:46
hejiaweizhiyuan's idea sounds easier13:46
zhiyuanbut at the beginning no external networks in pods13:47
joehuangmay be two search function13:47
joehuangone find_by_region used for external network creation13:47
joehuangthe other one find_by_az13:47
joehuangin find_by_az, first match with az_name, then try pod_name13:48
hejiaweiI don't understand these code about external network,so I should read them,I can just try your ider after I understand them13:48
hejiaweito joe13:48
zhiyuanok, so for external network creation, users still need to specify pod_name, or say region_name13:49
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joehuangin fact, it's for router/network, the az_hint will be more flexible, you can specify az_name or region_name13:50
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joehuangfor the enduser, specify region will be more intuitive when creating network13:51
zhiyuanAnother approach is to add "ready_for_external" network attribute to pod, then if az_name is specified when creating external network, we can filter pods by that attribute13:52
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zhiyuansorry, shoule be "ready_for_external_network" attribute13:52
joehuangyes, this way can keep the sematics of az_hint13:52
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zhiyuanand users can also use region_name if they like13:53
zhiyuanso we don't have special handle for external network13:53
joehuanggood proposal13:53
joehuangthe parameter is too long, a shorter one will be better13:54
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joehuangok, let's have a discussion about L2 network tomorrow13:56
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joehuangany other topic13:56
zhiyuanmaybe a BP? the change is not hard, but many things like code, readme, api document need to be changed13:56
joehuangbut this update will make the usage more friendly13:57
RongHui11no for me13:57
zhiyuanno other topic13:57
dongfengno for me13:57
hejiaweino for me13:57
joehuangok, thank you13:58
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cardeois#startmeeting javascript15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 14 15:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cardeois. Information about MeetBot at
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cardeoisHello, anyone there ?15:00
pboutinI am15:00
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cardeoisAgenda of the day
cardeoisvkramskikh msmol maybe?15:01
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cardeoisOk well seems like vkramskikh is not here15:04
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cardeoisAnyway I'll start anyway15:04
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cardeois#topic "yujunz to create doc about including js-openstack-lib into existing project15:04
cardeoisMVP followup"15:04
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cardeoisSince last meeting we didn't see any progress on that15:05
cardeoisand yujunz is not connected15:05
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cardeoislet's go the next (hum and last topic)15:05
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larainemaHello cardeois15:05
cardeois#topic MVP followup15:05
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cardeoishey !15:05
cardeoisSo about MVP, nova reviews are ready to be merged.15:06
cardeoisI finished this and larainema did
cardeoisI guess we're waiting for workflow +1 on both15:07
cardeoisI can merge them but would like vkramskikh to do it ideally15:07
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cardeoisOnce this is merged, we have all our needed components implemented in js-openstack-lib. We next have to implement nova boot and we have a MVP15:08
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cardeoisAnyone wants to volunteer?15:09
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larainemaWhat is nova boot?15:10
cardeoisWell not sure about the name, but it's to create an VM through Nova15:10
cardeoisan instance sorry15:10
larainemaAh, I see15:11
cardeoisAlright, so I'll create an action for everyone instead15:11
cardeois#action "everyone" Implement create server in Nova15:12
cardeoisI don't have any topic left does anyone has some?15:12
cardeois(or we switch to open discussion)15:12
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cardeois#topic Open discussion15:13
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cardeoisWell vkramskikh is not there, but I have to tell you guys I will be less active in js-openstack-lib15:14
cardeoisI gave my 2 weeks notice to Internap and my last day will be Friday.15:14
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cardeoisUnfortunately my new job won't be related to OpenStack.15:14
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pboutinmaybe in the near future me and msmol will try to catch up on this project15:15
larainema:(, so if this project will continue?15:15
cardeoisSo that means only vkramskikh will be an active core reviewer. So I have to topics:15:16
cardeois- Do you think guys this project is still worth it and is there people to contribute?15:16
cardeois- If we want to continue, should we elect a new core reviewer?15:16
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cardeoisI guess larainema you are the only other active developer (present in meetings), so you could be a good candidate for core15:16
pboutinas someone that is not too familiar with OpenStack core behaviours, it's kinda hard to grasp on this project15:16
msmolI think we should ask vkramskikh what his intentions are moving forward as well before making any decisions15:17
cardeoisAlright let's do that15:17
cardeois#action "cardeois" "Ask vkramskikh his opinion about the future of this project"15:18
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cardeoispboutin Yes I understand, but the project is small right now, that's a good occastion to catch up :)15:18
larainemaI would like to move this project forward, but it's also need more person to participate15:19
cardeoisYes I agree, I will try to send an email to the dev mailing list today15:19
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cardeoisAlright anything else?15:21
cardeoisOh maybe one thing, do we want to continue this meeting every two weeks or should we do it informally on #openstack-javascript ?15:22
pboutinmaybe a next meeting should be planned in order to see which direction the projet will take15:23
cardeoisAlright that's it for me, I'm closing the meeting.15:23
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larainemaOkay, thanks cardeois15:24
cardeoisGood luck for the future of this project, I would really like it not to die, but can't see going forward right now unfortunatelly, we need more contributors15:24
cardeoisBye !15:24
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
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smcginnisdulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy16:01
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smcginnisviks ketonne16:01
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geguileoHi! o/16:01
smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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jungleboyjIt's a hemna!16:01
hemnait is16:02
smcginnisA hemna sighting in the wild! :)16:02
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jungleboyjI love a wild hemna16:02
smcginnis#topic Announcements16:02
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smcginnisMoving on quickly from that...16:02
smcginnis#link Review focus16:02
smcginnisI'm cutting O-2 later today.16:02
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smcginnis#link Schedule16:03
erlonsmcginnis: what will be limmited drivers only?16:03
smcginnisThis is our official driver and spec freeze.16:03
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hemnaso the cutoff isn't friday ?16:03
xyang1smcginnis: anything you want to get in before the cut?16:03
erlonsmcginnis: ok, driver and spec16:04
diablo_rojo_phonHello :)16:04
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smcginnishemna: Nope, Thursday is the official OS one, the 14th was what we had published for Cinder.16:04
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hemnaok, so I guess that begs the question about the XIV driver then16:04
jungleboyjhemna: Yeah.16:04
smcginnisxyang1: There are a couple outstanding driver submissions (that all appear to want to be on the meeting agenda today) so we'll have to take a look at whether they're ready or not.16:04
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smcginnishemna: That's a refactor IMO, so not a new driver.16:05
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hemnawe haven't really been getting any reviews on it from others16:05
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Ok, so what is the cutoff date you are looking at for that?16:05
hemnawe still need more unit tests, but the rest of the driver code can get some attention16:05
xyang1hemna: I wanted to review it the  other day but it had WIP on16:05
smcginnisjungleboyj: I guess that would fall under the O-3 one.16:05
smcginnisxyang1: Oh right, same.16:06
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smcginnishemna: Is that still WIP?16:06
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hemnaxyang1, we have unit tests coming from alon16:06
smcginnisOK, good.16:06
hemnaso if you can ignore that for now, there still is a lot of other code to review16:06
xyang1hemna: ok16:06
smcginnisOtherwise, there's still a lot of items on the list that we had identified as priorities that need attention, other than drivers.16:07
smcginnisEspecially geguileo's long list of patches. :)16:07
scottdasmcginnis: Should we do sign-ups for the HA patches, the way we do for drivers?16:07
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smcginnisscottda: That may help.16:07
erlonscottda: +116:07
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smcginnisdulek has been doing a lot of testing on those I've seen. Would be good to get others as well.16:08
xyang1smcginnis: the HA patches merge deadline is O-3, right?16:08
smcginnisxyang1: Right16:08
xyang1smcginnis, scottda: the sign-ups do help with drivers16:08
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smcginnis#topic Cinder testing meeting16:08
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smcginnisscottda: hey16:09
ketonnesmcginnis, xyang1: we would like to discuss Veritas HyperScale status as well16:09
scottdaHey. So we used to have a Cinder testing meeting before this meeting, at 1500 UTC....16:09
scottdaBut since we came of Daylight Savings, I've had a conflict. So has smcginnis  and others seem to not be around...16:09
xyang1ketonne: do you have successful CI reporting?16:09
smcginnisketonne: Yeah, please don't put items in the announcements section. We do that topic later in the meeting.16:10
scottdaSo I was wondering if we should re-schedule that meeting? This is assuming we still want to talk about Cinder testing on a regular basis?16:10
ketonnexyang1: CI is stable and reporting although we do have some failures which we are addressing16:10
smcginnisscottda: I do think it's good to discuss.16:10
ketonnesmcginnis: ok16:10
patrickeastscottda: +1 for a new time16:10
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e0nescottda: +1 to re-schedule it16:10
smcginnisketonne: noop tests are not stable.16:11
erlonafter this meeting is a good time for me16:11
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e0nescottda: what about 1600 UTC on Tuesdays?16:11
scottdaWho is interested and in a UTC 0000 or UTC + X time zone? We want you to be able to come...16:11
diablo_rojo_phonscottda: +116:11
smcginnise0ne: That should work for me.16:11
scottdae0ne: That works for me.16:11
e0neerlon: -1. it will be too late for me, especially in summer16:12
erlone0ne: that would work for me, same time as Cinder meeting but Tuesday right?16:12
erlone0ne: hmm16:12
e0neerlon: yes16:12
ketonnesmcginnis: We just verified today that CI is triggering for every checkin. This has happened a few hours ago.16:12
erlone0ne: that works for me16:12
scottdaAnyone have a Big problem with 1600 UTC Tuesdays?16:13
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scottda eharney, xyang1, gouthamr, akerr, smcginnis, cFouts, e0ne, geguileo, dulek, flip214, ntpttr patrickeast, _alastor_, DuncanT, erlon, josemello,mdarnell, karthikp16:13
scottdaYOu are all on the ping list for the meeting16:13
smcginnisscottda: +1 from me16:13
eharneyi like 1600 UTC tues16:13
e0neit works for me16:13
Cibosmcginnis: can you please specify the time of brunch creation?16:13
scottdaSpeak now, or we'll just do this...16:13
xyang1scottda: 1600UTC works for me16:13
patrickeastSounds good to me16:14
smcginnisCibo: Not really16:14
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xyang1scottda: 0000 UTC is late for me16:14
geguileoscottda: I'm ok with it16:14
erlonscottda: sounds like a deal16:14
scottdaOK, I'll change it on the meeting wiki and ping you all next Tuesday. Thanks everyone.16:14
e0nescottda: thanks16:14
erlonscottda: Thanks!16:14
scottdaoh wait..16:15
smcginnisscottda: Thanks!16:15
Cibosmcginnis: I hope that I will be able to refactor code and publish + code review16:15
scottdaWasn't there something on the ML about not using Cinder room for meetings?16:15
scottdaOR am I mistaken16:15
scottdaI know they just added openstack-meeting-516:15
smcginnisscottda: I think the decision was it's actually good to use the cinder room.16:15
erlonCibo: dont forget the to fix the logs.gz downloads16:15
smcginnisOr at least that's the way it was leaning.16:15
diablo_rojo_phonIt's preferred that you use the meeting rooms, but it's not required.16:15
scottdasmcginnis: OK, we'll keep it there. Thanks. Back to you...16:15
smcginnisscottda: Thanks!16:16
smcginnis#info Test meeting to be held in #openstack-cinder 1600 UTC on Tuesdays16:16
smcginnis#topic New driver submissions16:16
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smcginnisI'm going to group these.16:16
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smcginnis#link NEC driver16:17
Ciboerlon: what logs.gz I do not archive any more
smcginnis#link Veritas HyperScale driver16:17
Ciboerlon: or I am missing something?16:17
smcginnisSo from what I see, neither one of these is actually ready. :|16:17
smcginnisI would not consider either to have stable CI's at this point.16:18
smcginnisThere are still issues being found in reviews.16:18
smcginnisAnd a lot of this should have been worked on weeks ago, to be honest.16:18
smcginnisOn the plus side, it does seem both are being active and attentive to concerns.16:19
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smcginnisSo I'm not going to -2 them right now, but from where I stand it doesn't look good.16:19
e0nesmcginnis: how many hours do we have until deadline?16:19
smcginnisOthers are certainly encouraged to review and decide.16:19
ketonnesmcginnis: We are working on these actively for the Veritas HyperScale issues reported. The last one by xyang1 was addressed just before this meeting16:19
smcginnise0ne: I was hoping to submit the o-2 request after lunch.16:19
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smcginnisBut I can wait until later.16:20
e0nesmcginnis: what timezone are you in?16:20
smcginnisCentral US16:20
smcginnisCurrently 10:20 AM16:20
Cibosmcginnis: thank you16:20
smcginnisMy biggest concern for both right now is the CI.16:21
smcginnisThey are being stated as being stable, but that's not what I'm seeing.16:21
smcginnisI'm sure DuncanT would have an opinion on that too. :)16:21
sivnany thoughts on the Veritas Access driver?16:22
Cibosmcginnis: there is 1 day and  4 - 5 hours left...16:22
smcginnissivn: Again, no CI. Driver submitted just days before the deadline.16:22
smcginnisCibo: No, there is more like 4-5 hours left.16:22
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Cibosmcginnis: I see16:23
ketonnestable CI reporting for Veritas HyperScale should be seen in a few hours. We fixed the last known issues last night India time16:23
smcginnisI'll step back and let others comment. This isn't just my decision, just stating what I see based on what we've published as our requirements and our deadlines.16:23
hemnaso the original patch was submitted on Nov 2716:24
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smcginnishemna: Which one?16:24
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smcginnisThat's the HyperScale one. The Access one is different.16:25
hemnaI haven't looked at it at all because it hasn't had CI16:25
xyang1hemna: Oct 4 was the first submission16:25
jungleboyjhemna: So, that is ok ...16:25
hemnaok sorry, wasn't sure which one we were talking about16:25
hemnaVeritas access was just submitted16:25
jungleboyjLooks like they have been responsive to reviews.16:25
smcginnisTrue. That is good.16:26
hemnaI'd say no on the Access driver16:26
hemnathe deadline is for merging the driver not submitting afaik.16:26
sivnTo give some context on Access driver, this was checked-in to kilo release but was removed due to lack of CI, we are resubmitting it16:26
smcginnishemna: +116:26
xyang1hemna: oh, I see what you meant.  the access one was too late16:26
hemnathe unit tests are lacking as well16:27
hemnawell I guess the driver is a bit light, because it's mostly an nfs driver16:28
sivnI have uploaded one set of test cases?16:28
erlonsivn: does your driver do any call to the storage?16:28
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hemnaanyway, I think it's submitted too late IMHO16:28
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xyang1hemna: I think we should discuss about the drivers on the review track etherpad first16:28
erlonsivn: it seems only a layer over the NFS driver and that does not do anything optimized16:29
sivnfor snapshot of the volume, it runs a specific command over NFS16:29
e0nehemna: +216:29
sivnotherwise uses most of the NFS driver capabilities16:29
erlonsivn: ok, ill let a comment there and yu can follow up16:29
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sivnwe are working on CI too, that is in the last stages16:30
hemnathe clone volume doesn't use a new size either.16:30
sivnwe have got experience now, with the Veritas Hyperscale CI :)16:30
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smcginnisOK, please all cores, take a look and chime in on the driver reviews in the tracking etherpad.16:32
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xyang1smcginnis: so we have two new drivers that might make the cut?  NEC and Veritas HyperScale?16:32
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smcginnisxyang1: That's my take, but a little iffy.16:33
ketonneGetting back to HyperScale, last comment has been addressed and new test cases have been added as per xyang1's comments16:33
xyang1smcginnis: ok16:33
smcginnisI will take a look at both soon. I do think they are close and they have been responsive to review feedback.16:33
smcginnisCI is really the biggest issue all around here.16:34
xyang1smcginnis: I haven't seen CI yet, so that is the concern16:34
hemnayah CI is supposed to be reporting if you want a driver to merge16:34
hemnaand passing :)16:34
diablo_rojo_phon4+ hours isn't much time for CI.16:34
smcginnisCI's in general are pretty miserable as it is:
diablo_rojo_phonhemna: haha yeah passing too.16:34
erlondiablo_rojo_phon: yeap, it talks aroung 1+ hour just to run a job and detect a failure16:35
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smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:36
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ketonnewe are on the CI issues. you should see stable CI from HyperScale by today. Failures are being looked into on priority16:36
smcginnisAnything else to discuss?16:36
e0nesmcginnis: when are we going to start working on topics list for PTG?16:36
CiboJovianDSS driver16:36
hemnaeharney, thanks for the review man.  much appreciated.16:36
smcginnisketonne: That's good. But again, we should see stable CI _prior_ to the deadline, not on the deadline.16:37
hemnae0ne, after xmas ?16:37
smcginnise0ne: Oh, good point. We should probably get an etherpad started for planning that.16:37
Ciboso I am working on fixing existing issues... anything else?16:37
smcginnisWhich reminds me - Summit session proposals will be opening up very soon.16:37
smcginnisGood time to start thinking about what you might want to submit for talks at the summit.16:37
smcginnisThat will be coming up fast.16:38
e0nehemna: I'll have  Orthodox Christmas  after it:)16:38
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo_phon: How we on Cinder registration for the PTG?16:38
e0neI didn't register yet. I'm going to do it next 2 weeks16:39
smcginnise0ne: Great!16:39
hemnaI'm still trying to get approval....16:39
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jungleboyjI am registered.  May be sending myself, but I will be there.16:40
smcginnis#link PTG registration16:40
diablo_rojo_phonsmcginnis: still on the lower end.16:41
smcginnisThere is the travel assistance program for this as well.16:41
diablo_rojo_phone0ne: I didn't see you apply for the tsp16:41
e0nediablo_rojo_phon: I've got approval from my company this time :)16:41
smcginnisOK, I guess that's all I've got. Anything else?16:41
e0nediablo_rojo_phon: so I don't need TSP16:41
smcginnisOK, thanks everyone. Go forth and review. :)16:42
ketonnesmcginnis: should we shoot for o-3 for HyperScale then?16:42
smcginnisketonne: What do you mean?16:42
diablo_rojo_phonsmcginnis: we shall, our beloved ptl.16:43
ketonnedo we have the window to get into ocata in O-3 for hyperscale?16:43
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hemnaketonne, the deadline for new drivers is O-216:43
e0neketonne: I'm afraid, that you have to do it for P-2 :(16:43
hemnayou've missed the deadline.16:43
smcginnisketonne: No, the new driver deadline for Ocata is today. Otherwise you're looking at Pike.16:44
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smcginnisOK, thanks everyone.16:44
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Thanks!16:45
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stakeda_smcginnis: thank you16:46
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wxy1Hello, folks. A few days before, We received a product requirement about fuzzy search in Cinder. Users want to query resources with it. But AFAIK, there is no project support this feature. And there is a project called "SearchLight" can do this job. So I'd like to know that what do you guys think about this?16:55
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smcginniswxy1: Hey, can you ask over in #openstack-cinder?16:56
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wxy1smcginnis: yes, wrong place.16:56
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bh526r_#startmeeting gluon18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 14 18:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r_. Information about MeetBot at
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bh526r_hello everyone18:00
georgk#info Georg Kunz18:01
bh526r_#topic Roll Call18:01
jinliHi all18:01
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bh526r_#info Bin Hu18:01
bh526r_Hi Georg18:01
jinli#info JinLi18:01
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krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:01
bh526r_Hi Kamil18:01
bh526r_#topic Admin Update18:02
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bh526r_#info not so much update18:02
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bh526r_#info Release team has announced a method for projects to set create stable/ocata branch18:02
bh526r_#info we need to follow the steps to create stable/ocata branch later on, when our development is more complete and more stable18:03
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bh526r_#info And to tag the release, of course18:04
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bh526r_#info we can worry about it in new year18:04
bh526r_#topic Gluon Tasks18:05
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bh526r_#info Task list for informational purpose18:05
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bh526r_#topic Status Update and Patch Review18:06
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bh526r_#info (1) Authentication and Access Control18:06
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bh526r_#info Ian provided comments, and Kamal uploaded a new patchset 418:07
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bh526r_I think it is quite stable, I suggest we move on and merge it.18:08
bh526r_Any other comments or suggestions?18:08
bh526r_If no objection, it is approved18:09
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bh526r_#info This patch is approved, and will be merged18:10
bh526r_#info (2) OpenContrail's Mechanism Driver18:11
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alraddarla_#info Darla Ahlert18:12
alraddarla_sorry i am late18:12
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bh526r_#info Kamil submitted new patchset with README.md18:12
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bh526r_#info Bin is still verifying if it works with Gluon18:13
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bh526r_#info And comments regarding if using extended plugin method is a better way than mechanism driver18:14
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bh526r_#info And comments regarding tempoary home v.s. permanent home18:14
bh526r_#info It seems that more time is needed to finish the review18:15
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bh526r_#info (3) Testing18:15
bh526r_Jin, have you addressed Paul's comments?18:16
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jinliwill reply to him today18:17
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bh526r_e.g. Line 36: raise -> is raised18:17
jinliOh, for that one, I already made changes for him18:18
jinliI updated new patches18:18
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bh526r_I just checked new patchset 4, it doesn't seem changed18:19
bh526r_And line 43, 47 and 5218:19
bh526r_Those are not changed in patchset 418:19
jinliI am checking18:20
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bh526r_#info Jin will double check and make sure the comments on Line 36, 43, 47, 52 etc., by Paul will be addressed18:21
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bh526r_#info Once those are addressed, we can approve it.18:22
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bh526r_#info it sits there for a while, Jin submitted patchset 14 that addressed PEP8 issue18:23
bh526r_If no more comments or objection, I suggest to approve it18:25
bh526r_Jin, I have one question:18:26
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bh526r_You added an "import" in gluon/api/ in your patchset 14 submitted on Nov 3018:27
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bh526r_Tom had a patch, which was merged on Dec 618:28
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bh526r_In his patch, gluon/api/ was also modified quite a lot18:29
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bh526r_Because the patch 399051 was merged on Dec 6, it means your patch on Nov 30 is NOT based on most recent code base of gluon/api/
jinlilet me do a recheck and make sure the test case are still ok18:31
jinlithanks Bin18:31
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bh526r_Sounds good, please do a recheck, and also make sure your patch is based on most recent code base, e.g. gluon/api/baseObject.py18:31
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bh526r_#info Jin will recheck test his patch and make sure (1) test case is still ok based on most recent code base (2) changes on gluon/api/ is on most recent code base18:33
bh526r_#info (4) ODL Shim Layer18:34
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bh526r_#info Kamal gave some comments, and +218:35
bh526r_#info It seems that in new ODL release, the API has slightly changed, so the adaptor also needs to be re-worked18:36
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bh526r_#info Also Kamal commented that it needs to use configure file instead of hardcoded18:37
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bh526r_#info e.g. in shim.conf, add a [Open Daylight] section for those configuration needed for ODL18:38
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bh526r_#info So this patch needs update to address (1) new adaptor for ODL APIs that are changed (2) configruation file support (3) and other comments in review18:39
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bh526r_any other comments?18:40
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bh526r_#info Georg takes the action to address those issues and upload new patchset :)18:41
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bh526r_#info (5) Developer Documentation18:41
bh526r_#info Looks like it was approved and merged yesterday18:42
bh526r_#info congratulations, team. We had one merged :)18:42
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bh526r_#info (6) Bug Fixes18:43
bh526r_#info this is a new patch Darla submitted this morning18:43
bh526r_#info Tin and Bin reviewed it, and gave a couple of suggestions18:44
alraddarla_#info Darla will be updating that with the comments later today. Wanted to see if anyone else had any other comments first18:44
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bh526r_any other comments from everyone?18:44
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bh526r_Thank you Darla18:46
bh526r_#info (7) Nova Enhancement18:46
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bh526r_#info Ian is working with Nova team on this patch18:47
bh526r_#info There are some comments and discussions18:47
bh526r_#info so work in progress18:48
bh526r_#topic Next Steps18:48
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bh526r_#info There are several actions through the review above, for Jin, Georg, and Darla to take18:49
bh526r_#info Hopefully we will have new patchset, and ready to approve and merge18:49
bh526r_#topic AOB18:50
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krenczewskiI have a question regarding OpenContrail’s Mechanism Driver18:50
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bh526r_Do you have holiday plan? I am thinking of whether we keep or cancel the meeting on Dec 21 and Dec 28.18:50
bh526r_Ok, sure18:50
krenczewskiBin, in summary of yesterday's meeting you wrote about discussion between me, Nachi, Ian and Tom18:51
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krenczewskiDo you know if someone initiated something?18:51
bh526r_Let me initiate this email thread today so that we can keep the ball rolling18:51
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krenczewskiOK, thanks18:51
bh526r_What is everyone's opinion about the meeting on Dec 21 and Dec 28?18:53
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krenczewskiDec 21 is Ok, but 28 is problematic :-)18:53
bh526r_I see.18:54
bh526r_So let's keep next week's meeting on Dec 21, and cancel the one on Dec 2818:54
bh526r_Does it work for everyone?18:54
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alraddarla_Works for me18:55
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bh526r_#info Group agreed to keep the meeting next week (Dec 21), but cancel the meeting on Dec 28 to enjoy holidays18:55
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bh526r_Hay Ian is here18:56
bh526r_That's all from me for today18:56
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bh526r_If nothing else, let's adjourn the meeting18:57
bh526r_#info meeting adjourned18:57
bh526r_Thank you everyone18:57
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krenczewskithanks, Bye18:57
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bh526r_Bye all18:57
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zara_the_lemur__StoryBoard meeting time!19:00
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:00
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SotKI tried to update the agenda but the wiki login page wasn't loading for me :(19:01
SotKso here is the incorrect agenda:
zara_the_lemur__thanks for the incorrect agenda19:02
SotKdo we have any announcements that I haven't thought of?19:02
zara_the_lemur__I don't think so, we should give people advance warning of when meetings will be off over xmas19:02
zara_the_lemur__but I don't think we've actually decided when that'll be yet19:02
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zara_the_lemur__well I mean we don't decide when xmas itself is19:02
zara_the_lemur__OR DO WE19:02
SotKsomething for the discussion section!19:02
zara_the_lemur__but yeah19:02
SotKyes that is definitely us19:03
SotKstoryboard is secretly the christmas arranging committee19:03
SotKI also don't think there are any urgent items19:03
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SotK#topic In Progress Work19:03
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zara_the_lemur__I said I'd send a patch to add the blog to planet on Monday. I did it today.19:04
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SotKI said I'd set up a place for the blog to live early this week, and I did it!19:04
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zara_the_lemur__yeah yeah you win.19:05
zara_the_lemur__planet links to that home19:05
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SotKnow we just need to bikeshed a domain name that doesn't have my name in it19:05
zara_the_lemur__it beats 'zarathecat'19:05
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zara_the_lemur__I'm glad it's on a server we have control over now, anyway19:06
SotKonly whilst abbreviated to SotK :)19:06
zara_the_lemur__:) as for other items... we've merged the first 'link to a search' patch19:06
zara_the_lemur__for stories19:06
zara_the_lemur__:) thanks for that!19:06
SotKand you found the task one to not work as expected I think19:07
SotKso I will take a look at that19:07
zara_the_lemur__(yeah, if I give a filter, I get an empty array when there should be items matching the filter)19:07
zara_the_lemur__that's using the syntax suggested in the file19:07
zara_the_lemur__so maybe I'm just doing the wrong thing, in which case, yay, docs :)19:07
SotKI don't think you are doing the wrong thing19:08
SotKat least, you are doing the thing I think should be the right thing19:08
zara_the_lemur__I *just* noticed has sufficient reviews, so merged it about 3 mins before this meeting19:09
zara_the_lemur__er, #link
zara_the_lemur__so I'm hoping that that will make our tests behave more nicely; thanks, jeblair!19:09
zara_the_lemur__(I meant to take another look at the test openid server to work out if I was doing something strange but haven't had time; have left a note in gerrit about it)19:10
zara_the_lemur__and am going to look at #link this evening19:10
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* zara_the_lemur__ tries to be careful with email things after the time she accidentally sent herself 20000 emails from storyboard19:10
zara_the_lemur__so I've been waiting 'til I had a good chunk of time to look at anything affecting notifications :)19:11
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SotKanything else ongoing?19:12
zara_the_lemur__the other thing I will maybe get to tonight is reviewing your fix to the permissions logic for private stories19:12
zara_the_lemur__(this isn't anything people should be worried about; the issue is that the rules are too *strict* when creating new stories)19:13
SotKthat would be nice to land, since I think it is the last blocker for merging the UI patch to allow that too19:14
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zara_the_lemur__oh, #link can be merged19:16
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* SotK will also try to reduce the review backlog in the coming days19:17
SotKoh, nice19:17
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zara_the_lemur__thanks, yeah, I'm currently doing 'review the oldest thing' which means that things generally don't get forgotten, but it also means features take longer to get in because I'm not grouping related reviews.19:18
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zara_the_lemur__I think we're okay to move on to open discussion19:20
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SotKI agree19:21
SotK#topic Open DIscussion19:21
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SotK#topic Open Discussion19:21
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SotKmaybe I should've had an undo there too19:22
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic Open Discussion19:22
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic Open DIscussion19:22
SotK#topic Open Discussion19:22
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SotKI am a meetbot expert19:22
SotKso when is xmas?19:22
zara_the_lemur__(aw, I was going to put an Open Dlscussion back  in there just to annoy you)19:22
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zara_the_lemur__I get to decide when my xmas is so that's up to you really19:24
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zara_the_lemur__and anyone else who would normally be around here but might be busy one of the next few wednesdays19:25
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SotKI believe that all of my next few wednesdays are actually free from xmas19:25
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zara_the_lemur__I'll leave it up in the air then; as long as we give people sufficient notice to do something else then it's fine.19:26
SotKthat seems sensible to me19:27
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fungii'll be around, pretty sure19:27
funginot that i often pipe up in these ;)19:27
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zara_the_lemur__:D maybe we can have a 'draw a xmas tree in badpaint' competition19:28
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zara_the_lemur__I suspect I'll be around but doing nothing useful, which is arguably my default.19:29
zara_the_lemur__I've had no time to dig into the deep and enduring mystery of #link
zara_the_lemur__and the lack of closure is making me sad19:30
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* diablo_rojo sneaks in lae19:32
fungioh, thanks for merging 395116. i'll get!/story/2000776 wrapped up and submit the governance change to mark us off the list for that goal19:32
* SotK contemplates attempting a recheck when it is morning UTC and zuul might be quieter than normal19:33
zara_the_lemur__fungi: np, thanks for reminding me earlier! :)19:33
SotKwelcome diablo_rojo19:33
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zara_the_lemur__diablo_rojo: hi! :) we mentioned blog stuff near the start of the meeting, just to be annoying. tl;dr sent a patch to add it to planet19:34
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diablo_rojoSorry I'm late. I dismissed the meeting reminder 10 min before it started and then got distracted.19:34
diablo_rojozara_the_lemur__, cool. Sounds good.19:34
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zara_the_lemur__:D next time I'll ping with a countdown19:35
diablo_rojozara_the_lemur__, ha ha sounds good19:35
zara_the_lemur__oh my it went in already19:35
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fungi#link Infra completion of incubated oslo code removal19:39
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zara_the_lemur__oh, that should be python-storyboardclient instead of storyboard-webclient19:40
zara_the_lemur__(well the webclient shouldn't contain any either, but it was the python-storyboardclient repo that was changed )19:40
fungid'oh, thanks19:40
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zara_the_lemur__np, thanks! :)19:41
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zara_the_lemur__so, I was gonna say, blog stuff going well so far; the plan was for our second post to do 'mapping launchpad concepts to storyboard concepts' . I'm not really a launchpad expert when it comes to the details, and can say a lot more on the planned *third* post ('new storyboard things')19:43
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zara_the_lemur__so I'd prefer someone else who uses launchpad more to write the second, because they're going to know more about the day-to-day similarities and how they do the same tasks in both.19:44
* SotK also doesn't have very much experience of the details of launchpad19:44
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zara_the_lemur__(we tend to go with 'get requirements from people who use it a lot; try not to spend too much time with it ourselves', because otherwise we'd just end up reimplementing launchpad.)19:46
zara_the_lemur__that's my reasoning, anyway.19:47
fungididn't ttx mention he was going to write at least one too?19:47
zara_the_lemur__oh yeah, he wrote our very first post!19:47
fungioh, got it19:47
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zara_the_lemur__that was rather important context that I forgot to mention, oops19:47
zara_the_lemur__so we have 'why storyboard?' up there19:48
fungidiablo_rojo: you were going to write one as well?19:48
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diablo_rojoI definitely can, but I will probably need someone to look over it19:50
zara_the_lemur__I can definitely check over anything on the storyboard side19:51
* SotK also19:51
diablo_rojoI dont quite have the knowledge of storyboard, but maybeI could work with someone and we could co write something?19:51
diablo_rojoTeam blog post writing!19:51
diablo_rojoI can set up a google doc and we can find a time to get together to write it :)19:52
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diablo_rojofungi, maybe you could give it a once over before we post it?19:53
fungiyou bet19:54
fungijust give me a heads up19:54
diablo_rojofungi, Sweet :)19:54
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diablo_rojozara_the_lemur__, what was the other topic we wanted to have a post about?19:55
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zara_the_lemur__so 'why storyboard?'(done, thanks, ttx!) 'mapping storyboard things to launchpad things' and 'things unique/new to storyboard'19:56
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zara_the_lemur__oh we have 2 mins left19:57
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diablo_rojoAnybody wanna volunteer for the last one? Or shall we wait19:58
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zara_the_lemur__oh, that's the one I meant I could do or sotk or both.19:58
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* SotK was halfway through typing the exact same thing19:59
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diablo_rojoMy bad :)19:59
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fungivery cool19:59
zara_the_lemur__we're out of time!19:59
SotKindeed, thanks folks :)20:00
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ekhugen#startmeeting wos-mentoring20:00
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ekhugenHi, who's here for the women of openstack mentoring?20:01
ekhugenHi Carol and Megan20:01
CarolBarrettHi ekhugen20:01
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ekhugen#topic Matches update20:01
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ekhugenmatches spreadsheet is here
ekhugenI've been updating on the far right as I heard from people20:02
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ekhugenI think I only have 6 people to kick off the list because of no responses20:03
ekhugenand one person responded that their job had changed and they didn't want mentoring anymore20:03
MeganRoh that is interesting20:04
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ekhugenhi Kendall and Ildiko20:05
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ekhugenMeganR which part is interesting?20:05
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MeganRThat someone had a job change - I've heard that a couple of times20:06
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MeganRand no longer is interested in mentoring, hit return too soon20:06
ekhugenoh okay, yes, I thought it was nice of them to let us know20:07
ekhugenI think the remaining 6 I'll leave on the list and just cross them off, rather than actually deleting rows?20:07
CarolBarrettMakes sense20:07
ekhugenunless someone has a better suggestion of how to delete people?20:07
ildikovMeganR: it can also be the case that the assignment wasn't 100%, when the mentee signed up20:08
MeganRI like leaving them, just crossing off, so there can be reference if needed.20:08
diablo_rojoYeah I would keep the info and just cross them off20:08
MeganRildikov: very true!20:08
ildikovMeganR: with the upstream training we have many people around who're interested, but then don't get the time allocation after :(20:08
diablo_rojoMeganR, +120:09
ildikovMeganR: +120:09
ildikovmaybe add a note if we know the reason they quit20:10
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ekhugenildikov +1 I put a note for the one guy who responded all the way over in the rightmost column20:10
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ekhugenshould a final email be sent to them, that they're removed from the list and they can fill out the form again if they want to re-apply?20:11
ildikovekhugen: oh, cool, I need to navigate better :)20:11
MeganRI think that is a good idea, kind of closes the loop20:11
ildikovI think so too and it's always good to tell them they can re-apply20:12
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diablo_rojoI agree. Ties up loose ends20:13
ekhugenokay, sounds goo20:13
* ekhugen can't type today20:13
ekhugenif anyone else wants to send out emails, I'm happy to pass the job along too20:13
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* ekhugen figured that would go over like a ton of bricks :-)20:15
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MeganRand I can't blame a poor phone connection!  :)20:15
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ekhugenanything else on matches?20:15
CarolBarrettnot from me20:16
ekhugenI think it's a good response, only 6 no shows, I was expecting it to be a lot more (I think we had 13 last week)20:16
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ekhugen#topic open20:16
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CarolBarrettI agree, it is a good sign20:16
ekhugenanyone have any other topics20:17
ekhugenmaybe meganr anything about the email20:17
CarolBarrettI saw the Boston Summit sponsorships note come out20:17
MeganRwhat is our meeting schedule over the next few weeks?20:17
ekhugenI'm out the next two weeks, so I was not going to run this meeting, does anyone want these?20:18
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MeganRekhugen: the only question right now about email is I need to verify Carol's address, may have it incorrect.  Carol - I pinged you in a sep. channel.  Otherwise it looks fine.20:18
CarolBarrettI'm out til the 3rd too... let's pick it up on the 11th?20:19
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ekhugencool, thanks Meganr20:19
MeganRCarolBarrett +120:19
ekhugencarolbarrett +120:19
CarolBarrettMeganR: Are you looking for my gmail address?20:19
MeganRI am - I pinged you in a sep. channel, didn't know if you wanted it here.20:19
aimeeu+1 to  resuming on the 11 January20:19
ildikovCarolBarrett: +120:20
CarolBarrettMeganR: What channel did you ping me on?20:20
ekhugendo people want the calendar invites for the new year?20:20
MeganRyes to the calendar invites, please20:20
CarolBarrettMegnaR: Which IRC channel? I didn't know there was a question for me to respond to...?20:21
CarolBarrett+1 on calendar invites20:21
CarolBarrettFor Boston sponsorships, the Speed Mentoring breakfast was one of the options. I think we should know who the sponsor will be by the time we get back from the Holidays.20:21
ekhugenI realized I could send them from gmail instead of from my work address, I know some people have had trouble with the calendar invites20:21
MeganRI pinged you directly - no worries, I'll send you an email.20:21
CarolBarrettMeganR: Sorry!20:21
ekhugenpreference on gmail vs. lotus notes calendar entries?20:21
MeganRgmail +120:22
diablo_rojoCarolBarrett, thats awesome :)20:22
aimeeugmail +120:22
CarolBarrettgmail +120:22
* ekhugen is not surprised by the lack of love for lotus notes20:22
diablo_rojoekhugen, that is probably the #1 thing I dont miss..20:24
ekhugenand carolbarrett that's awesome20:24
ekhugenI keep thinking one of these days I'll find someone here who loves it20:24
ekhugenbut I've been here for 10.5 years and....20:24
CarolBarrettekhugen: There's always hope...20:24
ekhugenI was out on Monday, was there anything from the general women of openstack meeting that we should discuss?20:25
CarolBarrettI need to grab lunch and get ready for my next meeting - Happy Holidays to you all!20:26
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ekhugenthanks CarolBarrett!  Happy new year!20:26
ildikovCarolBarrett: Happy Holidays!20:26
MeganRHappy Holidays!20:26
diablo_rojoHappy Holidays!20:26
ekhugenany other topics?20:27
MeganRI'm good.20:27
ekhugencool, well thanks everyone for a really great year!  I think we've done a lot with the mentoring program because everyone's really pulled together20:28
MeganRThank you for keeping us on point!20:29
ekhugenI hope you all have a great holiday and happy new year!20:29
ildikovekhugen: +120:29
diablo_rojoThanks ekhugen for all your hard work!20:29
ildikovAnd have a great holiday everyone! And have some rest, well deserved!20:29
ekhugenyou're welcome :-)20:30
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
acoleshere :)21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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notmynamewelcome everyone21:01
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notmynamekota_: I was worried for a second (only a second)21:02
notmynamethought you wouldn't make it21:02
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notmynamea few things to highlight this week, but first I want to talk about next meetings21:02
notmyname#topic next meetings21:03
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notmynameit's the end of the year, and people will be in and out21:03
notmynamewe've got 2 weeks left in the year. so the question is, "do we have a meeting during the next two weeks, or do we skip until january 4?"21:03
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notmynamewould anyone like to advocate for either having meetings or not?21:04
tdasilvai'm fine with skip21:04
claygsee you next year suckers!21:04
mattoliverauI'm around for the next 2 weeks, so happy to still do them, but not having them means sleep in.. so I'm really good either way ;)21:05
kota_either works to me21:05
joeljwrightI can be here next week, after that I'm travelling21:05
acolesI won't be around for next two weds21:05
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notmynamewell, the other question is if there's something that will be happening in the next 2 weeks that will need a formal meeting time to discuss21:06
notmynameok, based on the responses, let's skip until January 4, 201721:06
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notmyname#agreed skip meetings until January 421:06
notmyname#info skip meetings until January 421:07
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notmyname#topic FYI things happening in broader openstack21:07
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notmynamethere's been a lot going on, even just this week, that I want to highlight (more than usual)21:07
notmynameFWIW, there's a new #openstack-meeting-5. so lurk there if you like to lurk in meeting rooms21:08
notmynameFYI, the openstack individual board of directors election is coming up21:08
notmynameyou can see the candidates at
notmynamelinked from there21:09
notmynameand the call for presentations for Boston opened today
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notmynameso if you want to speak at that openstack forum event, start working on your talk submission21:09
notmynameok, those were the fast things21:09
notmynamenext up... storyboard21:09
notmynameI came across this blog post today
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notmynamethe summary is that for a few years some people in openstack have been working on a replacement for launchpad that's called storyboard21:10
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mattoliverauI didn't realise storyboard was still a thing.. I thought we stopped working on it a while ago.. so there you go. cool its still a thing21:10
notmynameexcept it's not completely a replacement in that it doesn't map 1:1 with what LP does21:10
notmynameoh, yeah. it's more than a thing21:11
notmynamethere's been a private email thread that's been really active recently that's summarized as "ok, so this is about to be a Thing in openstack and everyone will be using it, so what do you think"21:11
cschwedestoryboard is quite nice, once you get used to it. i used it a bit in the past21:12
notmynamepoint is, well... I'm not sure yet of the point, other than it's a big change that affects everyone's workflow21:12
timburkeoh goody21:12
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notmynamecschwede: awesome! I could use your help then. i tried to figure it out, and found it ... not obvious as to what i was supposed to do21:12
notmynameso again, this is an FYI, and I think you can see it in use in some infra projects. if you've got a few minutes, it might be worth a look21:13
notmynameand finally, the golang discussions have started again (or continued?)21:14
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acolesthe story/task thing sounds a bit like Jira21:14
notmynamethere's a thread on the ML about technical requirements for using golang at
tdasilvanotmyname: what's the link to storyboard?21:15
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notmynameand there's a governance proposal about a new TC process to approve not-python being discussed at
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notmynameacoles: thanks21:15
notmynameboth of the golang discussions are about the same sort of things. the ML thread is about what's a "release", how to manage dependencies, and what about any common libraries that might be needed21:16
notmynamethe TC resolution basically asks a lot of those same questions saying "if you're going to use not-python, have an answer for all of these things"21:17
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notmynamethe most controversial part of the TC resolution is towards the bottom where it talks about common libraries. it strongly implies that the first project to use not-python is responsible for writing oslo equivalents in the new language before using the language in the project21:18
acolesbut surely the language would need to be approved before anyone would invest time in writing libraries?21:19
claygnotmyname: if you don't start using the common thing from the get-go it's really hard to migrate to it later when it's more fleshed out without your legacy of use-case built in21:19
notmynamehowever, an in-person conversation I had last week said that was more to mean "projects writing stuff in not-python shouldn't expect the oslo team to write stuff for you"21:19
claygi don't think the idea with oslo was ever to get someone else to write code you needed for you21:20
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notmynamethe fear is that across the many openstack projects, it's taken a very long time to get everyone using the same versions of common libraries. one would have something in-tree, another would have an old copied version of that, another would be using a common library from oslo, etc21:20
notmynameand the hope is that when starting with a new language, it isn't set up to repeat that diversification of libraries doeing sortof the same thing all over again21:21
notmynameand furthermore, it's "known" than configs and logging are something that needs to be done, regardless of language, so that's why those are called out21:22
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notmynameso that's the background to that section21:22
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acolesfwiw I did make a start on an oslo config like thing in golang, just as a vehicle for learning the language21:23
notmynameI suspect that this proposal will be approved by the TC, but I suspect it will be slightly modified (in what ways, I'm not entirely sure)21:23
notmynameI think the point is that new-lang needs to read existing configs and log the same way21:24
notmyname(note, that's not actually what's written in the proposal)21:24
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cschwedewell, that makes sense, right? we don't want 2.5 different config styles for one service21:25
notmynamecschwede: yes, absolutely21:25
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notmynamehm...rather than being careful with what i say in a logged channel, I'll keep going ;-)21:26
acolesbut isn't oslo.config more about declaring config schema etc? the actual config is just an ini file?21:26
cschwedealso, it sounds like acoles is already solving that issue with the config;)21:26
acolesunless I am missing something21:26
notmynameso if you're frustrated by this being a seemingly good idea when there were two similar proposals earlier this year, you arent' alone21:27
acolesso with oslo.config I imagine the desire will be to have a common developer pattern - the op experience is just an ini file21:27
cschwedeacoles: i think it's also about auto-generating config samples, using only the settings that your project is using21:27
clayg+1 acoles and design the grand unified theory of swift/keystone/hummingbird/pastedeploy configuration21:27
acolescschwede: yes, but again that's not s much an op experience as a dev experience21:27
clayg+2 if he solves configuration once and for all for all of opnestack - huzzah21:28
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notmynameI find this very frustrating that this proposal is seemingly making progress, while one proposed by the swift team was rejected because it was proposed by the swift team21:28
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acolesclayg: actually I got as far as being frustrated by lack of generics and gave up!21:28
acolesclayg: JK21:28
notmynamebut this is the current state of the golang discussion in openstack. so I'm happy to hear that acoles is working on figuring out some basic config stuff in golang!21:28
claygprogress is progress21:28
cschwedenotmyname: well, i think it has more to do with timing and discussions inbetween.21:28
claygcschwede: or it could be what notmyname said21:29
notmynameporque no los dos?21:29
claygprogress is progress21:29
notmynameso all that being said, we've got a large body of work ahead of us related to golang (with little recent progress), and these are the places where we can be involved in that in the larger openstack community21:30
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notmynameand I'd like to transition to talking about that. the stuff going on in swift (starting with golang)21:31
notmyname#topic things happening in swift21:31
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claygi hear 2.12 is the best swift ever21:31
notmynameoh yeah. releases :-)21:31
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notmynamestable releases happened. 2.12.0 should happen today or tomorrow, depending on the openstack-releases team21:32
kota_oh,  release?21:32
notmynameie i'm plannign on submitting that patch this afternoon21:32
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notmynamekota_: yeah, needed to get a few things out. last chance this year21:32
kota_notmyname: good call21:33
claygdoo eeeet!21:33
notmynameI know this one is a little more "sudden" instead of talking about it for a few weeks first. sorry if it's taking anyone by surprise21:33
notmynamebut it's a good release. best swift ever, in fact ;-)21:33
notmynameso I spent some time this week looking at what's starred, what's on the ideas page, what's being reviewed, etc21:33
notmynamespoiler: it's a lot21:33
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notmynamethe short list is still pretty intimidating21:34
notmynamehere's the "big stuff" I wrote down (it's on the meeting agenda)21:35
acoleslooks like the container sharding bullet point got sharded :)21:35
tdasilvaor replicated21:35
mattoliverauas it should :P21:35
notmynamegolang, global ec, policy migration and tiering (and symlinks), part power increase, container sharding, and metadata searching21:35
notmynameadn container sharding too21:35
mattoliverauthe list got so long, it needed sharding21:36
notmynameno kidding21:36
claygthat's no *so* bad21:36
claygi feel like most of them are stuff that we've had ongoing21:36
notmynameclayg: it's only, like, 1.5 years of work ;-)21:36
acolescontainer sync, keymaster+barbican21:36
claygwell but maybe some of them are close?21:36
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notmynamenah, you're right. most (all?) are well on their way21:37
claygi keep thinking when I go look at symlinks that'll be mostly done21:37
claygwe'll make some sort of progress on golang21:37
claygcomposite rings has *been* done21:37
notmynameacoles: I specifically left those off. not because they aren't important, per se, but because somethign had to be dropped. I'd still like to see those land21:37
claygpolicy migration and auto tiering are the future - the elasticsearch sync stuff could be a door opener too21:37
claygincrease part power is basically done21:37
claygglobal ec can make progress before it's "done"21:38
notmynameyeah, composite rings, part power, ec replication are all pretty close21:38
claygthis is a great list21:38
acolesnotmyname: yep, and they are more incremental than others21:38
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claygthis is great21:38
cschwedeclayg: absolutely! i just need to work on the comments by Pete and you can merge it :)21:38
claygcschwede: ack21:38
tdasilvanotmyname: would it make sense to prioritize that list somehow?? not sure if it's feasible or not21:38
notmynamewe've all realized that one of the problems is that we've got a huge list. this is my attempt at focusing in down21:38
kota_i'm still waiting to get merged :-)21:38
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notmynameyeah! first priority is to merge kota_'s stuff!21:39
mattoliverauspeaking on sharding, I've moved a bunch (not the sharding itself) but interacting with shards into the proxy which has cleaned up some not so pretty code, and will make clayg happier. but it does add a little overhead. but so far its better. Although I've been debugging some of that in my benchmarks. But I think its worth it.21:39
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notmynametdasilva: it could be prioritized to some extent, but also we can do several in parallel21:39
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notmynamewhat I'd like to do next, myself, is organize that list a little more to show what's going on in each21:41
notmynameand I think for everyone, I'd ask that you prioritize reviewing things on this list21:41
claygit's good to know what's close and what still might need to have scope trimmed21:41
notmyname(obviously, stuff comes up, like the fun with ec 2 weeks ago)21:41
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claygit's also good to know when something is close who is going to rally to push it over the finish line21:42
notmynameyep, exactly21:42
notmynameI'll associate patches with each of these so we can see that21:43
notmynameas a first pass, i'll update the priority reviews page. ie before I invent a totally new (and awesomer) dashboard21:43
notmyname#topic open discussion21:44
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notmynameanythign else to bring up or discuss this week?21:44
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acolesso is the kind of thing that story board should help with - tracking patches and progress under topics?21:45
claygisa-l-rs-cauchy is the best ec thing evar21:45
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joeljwrightwould love people to look at if they have time21:45
notmynameacoles: I have no idea21:45
timburkei could use some eyes on (joeljwright, maybe?)21:45
notmynameoh! there's a couple of things I'd like to see land in swiftclient (like the new tempurl support) this week and then do a release of that next week21:45
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claygwe should merge pyeclib into liberasurecode (and future golang bindings should *also* ship inside of liberasurecode)21:45
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notmynameclayg: I like that idea21:45
joeljwrighttimburke: kk21:45
claygjoeljwright: I keep seeing that get updated21:45
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timburkeoh yeah, kota_: are you on board with what i pushed over at ?21:46
joeljwrightclayg: the updates recently have been rebase/fixes, I believe it's 'done' now21:46
notmynameFWIW the one timburke mentioned ( is getting some priority inside of swiftstack, so we'll likely try to land that soon21:46
cschwedeclayg: we should do that probably around the same time the next big release is coming (Ocata)21:46
claygjoeljwright: timburke if normally my goto "crazy new client/api feature awesome sause!?!!" - but it looks like he's already looking at it?21:46
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cschwedeclayg: otherwise it might get messy for distributors if we switch to a single pkg21:47
kota_timburke: yeah, sorry no response but that last rev looks super great to me.21:47
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notmynamecschwede: interesting. so when, exactly woudl that be? ie why later as opposed to now?21:48
mattoliverauclayg: I had a play with your concurrent gets testing patch and pushed up a new verson, hope that's ok.21:48
acoleswe should get this in shape and merged Optimize hash calculation when suffix hash invalidated21:48
timburkeand we should probably do, maybe add a gating job for it...21:48
notmynamefrom their perspective, aren't we already working on ocata21:48
claygcommit message on patch 310075 seems reasonable - i'll star it at least - didn't realize it was a priority21:48
tdasilvacschwede: would we have a single package?21:48
cschwedenotmyname: well, i'd like Pete's view on this; but if we ship fixes for stable versions and switch from two to one package it might get more difficult for packagers21:49
notmynamelol @ "here's some priorities" followed by a flurry of patches not about those ;-)21:49
cschwedetdasilva: that was my understanding21:49
tdasilvacschwede: i think we could still hae multiple packages, no?21:49
timburkekota_: i'm not sure, but maybe we can drop the 'WIP'? not sure what to do about tests though...21:49
claygmattoliverau: of course - that's fine - always push over me21:49
notmynamecschwede: yeah, definitely should get input from pete and onovy. good call21:49
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tdasilvacschwede: one repo, one release, but i think we would want multiple packages (libec, python-binding, golang binding)21:49
cschwedetdasilva: hmm, good question! i don't know, but might be a possible interim solution?21:49
tdasilvanot everything in one big package21:50
claygi never checkout my own branches, once it's in gerrit i only get it from `git review -d XXX` so I don't even really "notice" - it's not like there's a tracking branch non-ff merge sorta worry21:50
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joeljwrighttimburke: 310075 looks dead useful, I'll get eyes on it21:50
kota_timburke: er, the reason I added WIP to it is because I was thinking about how to get merged that smoothly but in your version, we can do it really easy so +1 to remove the WIP21:50
claygacoles: +1 on the rehash patch 402043 - top priority - that is so frustrating!21:51
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claygtimburke: I'd rather work on merging pyeclib to liberasurecode and dodge the issue of trying to test pyeclib with a matrix of liberasurecode versions21:51
acolesclayg: uhuh21:52
timburkeclayg: fair enough21:52
tdasilvaIf no one is interested, I could start looking at merging pyeclib and libec21:53
claygtdasilva: do it do it do it21:53
cschwedefix it!21:53
notmynametdasilva: I think you just volunteered ;-0)21:53
kota_clayg: i like the idea to merge pyeclib to libec as a binding but still am thinking of how to package the binding to pypi repo or with c binary21:53
kota_perhaps someone has great idea :P21:54
notmynamekota_: I'll bet tdasilva has a great idea21:54
tdasilvaone of my concerns are the current proposed patches on gerrit21:54
claygkota_: what is normally just has all the liberasure up in it IMHO21:54
notmynametdasilva: worst case, we'd abandon and repropose. but something to consider21:54
tdasilvakota_: i'm going to start by checkign with zaitcev and onovy on the packaging question21:55
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cschwedekota_, you mean shipping the pypi pkg with the C source? that's totally possible IIRC21:55
kota_clayg: may be. so removing sounds working.21:55
tdasilvabut i'm pretty certain it is at least possible to have multiple packages21:55
claygcschwede: pyeclib already has c code in it21:55
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* onovy is here21:55
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notmynameonovy: go to bed ;-)21:55
onovynotmyname: i'm in bed :)21:55
claygI think pyeclib just goes away "this was a bad idea, but technically liberasurecode can comiple to .so - and this could sorta work; but it's not maintained"21:56
notmynameonovy: we've got a packaging question, but it's not urgent21:56
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onovynp, just ask21:56
claygliberasure code just grows some CPython code and a setup.py21:56
timburketdasilva: on patches, libec looks clean. most of the pyeclib ones are mine, and a lot of them have to do with the fact that they're two repos21:56
notmynameonovy: wondering about combining pyeclib and liberasurecode21:56
claygwe publish python-liberasurecode and call it a day21:56
cschwedeclayg: yes, but i was thinking about including libec, and that should work fine too (?)21:56
notmynameonovy: like, how much pain does that cause for distros.21:56
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timburkei can apply them again wherever you want them. or just merge them before it matters :-)21:56
notmynameonovy: yep. combining. one code repo21:56
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onovynotmyname: two projects is better imho21:57
notmynameonovy: not sure if one deliverable or multiple yet. tdasilva will figure that out for us21:57
onovyliberasurecode is used by other projects21:57
onovywithout python wrapper21:57
notmynamethe idea is to have the language bindings in the same project. python, future golang, etc21:57
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onovyyep, it's possible, but not needed21:57
notmynameonovy: well, it would really help on the dev side21:58
onovyit will make packaging only little bit harder21:58
onovybecause you join it and i will split it :)21:58
onovybecause some projects should want C binding only21:59
notmynameonovy: but like I said, it's not time-critical to figure out in the next 1 minute. but you and tdasilva should talk about it at a more convenient time21:59
clayglots of source repos produce seperate packages21:59
onovynotmyname: ok21:59
notmynamewe're at full time for the meeting21:59
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onovyclayg: yep, np21:59
notmynamethank you everyone for coming21:59
notmynamethank you for working on swift21:59
claygi think this workflow makes more sense than two independent repos that must always and forever be updated/repackaged together at the same time and track their dependencies very closely21:59
tdasilvaclayg: exactly21:59
onovyclayg: sounds good22:00
claygpull new source; build; you get n+ packages22:00
notmynameclayg: +1 from me22:00
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