Tuesday, 2017-08-29

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liyi#senlin01:27
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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 03:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zun'03:00
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-08-29_0300_UTC Today's agenda03:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call03:00
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ShunliO/03:00
spno/03:00
NamrataNamrata03:00
kiennthi 0/03:00
digao/03:00
mkraio/03:00
kiseok7hi03:00
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hongbinthanks for joining the meeting Shunli spn Namrata kiennt mkrai kiseok703:00
hongbinlet's get started03:01
hongbin#topic Announcements03:01
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hongbini have no announcement , anyone else has?03:01
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hongbinseem no03:02
hongbin#topic Cinder integration03:02
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hongbinfor this bp, there are some progress last week03:02
hongbini am working on two WIP patches, which i think it is ready to test03:02
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473115/03:03
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491271/03:03
hongbinthe first one is a big patch, i will split it into several smaller patches03:03
hongbinbasically, this is how it works: zun run --mount source=<vol_id>,destination=<path> <image>03:04
hongbinthe --mount option can be used multiple times to bind mount multiple volumes03:04
hongbinany question so far?03:05
digahongbin: you are not using volume api, how mount is different from volume api ?03:05
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hongbindiga: i am using cinder api03:06
digaokay03:06
digait means its a direct integration with Zun03:06
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hongbinyes03:06
digagot it03:06
hongbinok, it looks there is no more question03:07
hongbinthen, we move to the next topic03:08
hongbin#topic Introduce container composition (kevinz)03:08
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-compose03:08
hongbinkevinz cannot join the meeting today03:08
hongbinhe uploaded several patches about capsule last week03:08
digafor cinder integration using fuxi, I will update the patch today, some error needs to fix which I will update today. Due to some personal reason I couldn't work since 2 month03:08
hongbindiga: ack03:09
hongbindiga: you could leverage the code of my patches when integrating with fuxi03:09
digahongbin:  Yeah03:09
digahongbin: will take a look at it today03:09
digahongbin: and update my code accordingly03:10
hongbinback to the capsule topic03:10
hongbinkevin has submitted some unit tests patches last week, all are merged03:10
hongbinthat is all for this bp03:11
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hongbinany question for this topic?03:11
hongbinok, advance topic03:12
hongbin#topic Add support for clear container (mkrai)03:12
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-secure-container03:12
hongbinmkrai: want to lead the discussion of this topic?03:12
mkraihongbin: sure03:12
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mkraiThe patches for supporting a new runtime parameter in zun create/run API were merged03:12
hongbinawesome03:13
mkraiThere is a question on whether we should allow non-admin users to select runtime or not03:13
spnyay!03:13
mkraiWhat do team think about it?03:13
hongbinyes, i raise this suggestion03:13
hongbini could explain the rational a bit03:14
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hongbini see the --runtime option as a dangourous operation03:14
spnmkrai: did you mean changing runtime for spinning containers by non-admin users?03:14
mkraispn: Yes03:14
hongbinbecause users could use it to choose a runtime that is more secure or less secure03:15
hongbini think we need a way to restrict the choice of runtime03:15
hongbinoption 1: introduce a config (i.e. enabled_runtime) to specify a list of choosible runtime03:15
spnhongbin: I am not sure I understood that argument. Why shouldnt users be allowed to change his runtime to secure or non-secure03:15
hongbinoption 2: disallow non-admin user to specify the --runtime option03:15
mkraihongbin: My opinion was to let non-admin users also choose runtime so that they have the flexibilty to run their container with any of the avialable option03:16
hongbinspn: i assume there are two 'runtime': docker or clear container03:16
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hongbinspn: if user can choose docker over clear container, i assume it is less secure03:16
hongbinspn: for example, if i am a public cloud provider, i will enforce clear container as the only runtime03:17
hongbinspn: make sense?03:17
spnhongbin: I agree what you said. but not every user may need a clear container all the time based on his requirment.03:17
mkraispn: I agree on that, the users might want to change the runtime based on their requirement03:18
hongbinmkrai: ack03:18
spnbut yes for public cloud there should be an option for admin to restrict it03:18
hongbinthen, how about option #103:18
spnso why dont we drop in an option for admin so that he can decide whether on this cloud a user can change container or not03:19
hongbinspn: +103:19
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spnimagine this situation where on the horizon UI, if a user  is allowed to change container03:19
spnhe gets an option to click on a check box or something like that which specifies type of container also as an option.03:19
spncc is one type of an option , future can be any other type of runtime03:20
kienntspn: sound good +103:20
mkraihongbin: I didn't get the option #1 clearly03:20
hongbinmkrai: there is a config called "enabled_runtime"03:21
mkraihongbin: Does it mean that it can contain both docker and clear container ?03:21
spnmkrai: if we had a config option like allowed_docker_runtimes = " docker, coe"03:21
spnetc03:21
mkraiAnd this might vary for other projects like just docker or just clear container03:21
hongbinmkrai: yes, it could be enabled_runtime=docker,cc, or enabled_runtime=cc03:21
mkraiOk so that non-admins have right to choose from the list?03:22
hongbinyes03:22
spnyes.. allowed list03:22
spnand admin decides the list03:22
spnif admin says only coe just one option is shown to users03:22
mkraiBut this option will be applied to all the projects03:22
spnmkrai: can this be forced upon project basis?03:23
mkraihow to handle case when a admin in a project wants a different list than other project?03:23
mkraispn: Yes i am also thinking of the same case03:23
mkraihongbin: Does it makes sense?03:24
hongbinmkrai: frankly, i couldn't think of use case that requires a per-project allowed list03:24
spnlike a finance team in the company which uses containers should be forced with cc03:25
spnnot all need it03:25
hongbinok, that make sense03:25
hongbinthen, the question is how to do it :)03:25
spnif its needs to be project specific than it should be zun command line tunable03:25
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mkraispn: +103:26
mkraihongbin: Right03:26
hongbinspn: yes, that should work03:26
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mkraiAhh I am sensing a new kind of resource in Zun :D but that might not be needed03:26
mkraihongbin: spn we might need to store info with some resource03:27
mkraistore the enabled_driver info in db03:27
hongbinyes if we go that path03:28
ShunliI guess it should be info of compute node.03:28
mkraiI will start to work on this implementation and present the idea in next meeting03:28
mkraiI will discuss with spn03:28
spnmkrai: +103:28
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hongbinok, sound good03:29
mkraiShunli: ack03:29
Shunlias the clear container should run in clear linux, right?03:29
mkraiShunli: it can run on other OS also03:29
mkraiLike Ubuntu Cent OS etc03:29
spnmkrai: but the image is special03:30
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Shunlimkrai: thx ,ack03:30
spnit should have a particular kernel version isn;t it03:30
mkraispn: Yes we need to install clear container on each compute node03:30
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spnmkrai: I am talking about changes inside the glance image? if any03:30
mkraispn: Which glance image?03:31
spnsorry I meant the docker image which runs on cc03:31
mkraiIt is same as the normal image03:32
spnmkrai: ok got it03:32
mkraihongbin: that's all from me :)03:32
hongbinthanks mkrai03:33
Shunlithanks mkrai03:33
spnmkrai: thanks for brining this discussion :)03:33
hongbin#topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou)03:33
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mkraiThank you all for a good discussion :)03:33
hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-nfv-use-cases03:33
hongbinfor this one, Shunli is working on several patches about pci03:33
hongbinShunli: do you have more details to add?03:34
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Shunlii'm struggled on the unit test last week. so the pci patch is a bit slow03:34
Shunlijust uploaded a pci device db model yesterday03:35
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Shunlino more progress about the pci feature.03:35
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498286/03:35
hongbinShunli: i think those are good progress03:35
hongbinShunli: thanks for the work03:36
Shunlihongbin: the api version controller breaks the unit.03:36
Shunlii'm cannot solve it, need someone help on it.03:37
hongbinShunli: which patch?03:37
Shunlithe network detach api patch. it's random.03:37
Shunlieven after i add the http header of api version for ut03:37
Shunliit's still fails some times.03:37
hongbinthis one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493787/03:38
Shunlihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/493787/03:38
Shunlinot sure if someone familiar with the pecan route, can digg into this problem.03:38
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mkraiShunli: I also added the api-version in header for unittest03:39
mkraiotherwise it failed03:39
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hongbinhowever, the gate looks all pass03:39
Shunliyes, it success some times, some times fail.03:39
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hongbinok, we can work on that offline03:40
Shunliok.03:40
hongbinall, any other comment on this topic?03:41
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hongbin#topic Open Discussion03:41
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hongbinall, any topic that you want to discuss with the team?03:41
kiennthi, i have one03:42
kiennthttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-multihost-problems03:42
kiennt#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-multihost-problems03:42
kienntzun multi-host scenario has some problems and I need advice.03:43
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hongbinkiennt: i couldn't figure out what was wrong , need to find some time to setup the environment to reproduce the error03:46
hongbinkiennt: i will get back to that after finishing the cinder bp03:47
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kiennthongbin: Basically, Zun doesn't pass pool_id because subnet doesn't have subnetpool_id. So Kuryr will try to create new kuryr subnetpool (which already created in the 1st node)03:48
kienntTherefore it will raise exception Another pool with same cirdr03:49
hongbinyes03:49
hongbinhowever, i don't have a solution in mind right now :)03:50
hongbinperhaps this bp will help03:51
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-libnetwork/+spec/existing-subnet03:51
spnkiennt: exist if detects no pool id by zun?03:51
spnexit*03:51
Shunlidoes neutron has the tag plugin enabled?03:51
kiennthongbin: np, it's a bit tricky :D thanks for the link03:52
kienntShunli: yes, it does03:52
hongbinShunli: tag plugin is enabled after pike03:52
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hongbinit should be called "tag extension"03:52
Shunlihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/441024/03:53
Shunliyes, tag extension03:53
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hongbinok, let's work on the project this week, and rediscuss it at the next meeting03:54
kienntspn: yes, if zun can't pass pool_id, kuryr will create its subnetpool.03:54
kiennthongbin: yes03:55
kienntexist if detects no pool id by zun?03:55
kiennt<spn> exit*03:55
kienntoh, wrong copy paste03:55
spn:)03:55
kienntsorry, thank you all03:55
hongbinany other topic to discuss?03:55
kienntnone from me03:56
Shunlino03:56
hongbinok03:56
hongbinall, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next week03:56
hongbin#endmeeting03:56
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spnThanks all :)03:56
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rkmrHonjoHi04:01
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Are you going to chair today's Masakari meeting?04:01
rkmrHonjoYeah, I start this meeting today.04:01
rkmrHonjo#startmeeting masakari04:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 04:01:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rkmrHonjo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.04:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.04:01
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tpatilrkmrHonjo: Ok, Thank you04:01
abhishekko/04:01
rkmrHonjoabhishekk: Hi.04:02
abhishekkrkmrHonjo: hi04:02
rkmrHonjoOK, let's go to 1st topic.04:02
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rkmrHonjo#topic Bugs04:02
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rkmrHonjoDo you have any items to discuss?04:02
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tpatilI don't see any open critical or blocker bugs04:03
tpatil# link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498351/04:03
tpatil^^ is to add auto_priority, rh_priority recovery method in python-masakariclient04:04
tpatilDo we want this patch in stable/pike branch?04:05
tpatilI think we should04:06
rkmrHonjotpatil: me too. I will review it after that.04:06
rkmrHonjotaptil: Can you review this patch?04:07
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Yes04:07
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rkmrHonjotpatil: thanks.04:07
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rkmrHonjo#action rkmrHonjo and tpatil review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498351/04:08
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rkmrHonjoCan we go to next topic?04:08
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tpatilyes, please04:09
rkmrHonjook.04:09
rkmrHonjo#topic High priority items04:09
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rkmrHonjoSampath wrote "4.0.0.0rc2 will cut off on 8/25" on wiki. But 4.0.0.rc2 was not created yet.04:10
rkmrHonjoDo you know about it?04:10
tpatilNo idea04:11
rkmrHonjotpatil: ok. I don't know, too.04:11
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rkmrHonjoOK, let's go to next topic.04:12
rkmrHonjo#topic Discussion points04:13
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rkmrHonjoI skip "Application for become OpenStack oficial project:". Because Samp is not here.04:13
rkmrHonjoNext item is "Install guide document <- need to review this".04:13
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rkmrHonjoAre there any updates?04:14
abhishekkrkmrHonjo: I am working on review comments04:14
abhishekkjust have one question04:14
rkmrHonjoabhishekk:What's?04:14
abhishekkwe already have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489570/1/doc/source/_static/masakari.conf.sample04:14
abhishekkstill need to mention minimum configuration options required?04:15
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rkmrHonjoabhishekk: Yes. Users don't know which configuration options are required or not.04:16
rkmrHonjoIf we suggest required options, it will helps beginner of Masakari.04:17
rkmrHonjos/helps/help/g04:17
abhishekkrkmrHonjo: ok, I will do it and push a new patch for review04:17
rkmrHonjoabhishekk: thanks.04:17
rkmrHonjoOK, next item is "recovery method customization".04:18
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tpatilrkmrHonjo: I'm suppose to add an item in Mistral Etherpad to discuss about restarting of mistral service04:19
rkmrHonjotpatil: Thanks. Can you paste the url on here?04:20
tpatil# link : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-queens04:20
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tpatilStill this ether pad is not open for public, will wait for few more days04:21
rkmrHonjotpatil: Great. I write this url on masakari meeting wiki after that.04:21
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rkmrHonjotpatil: Oh, I understood.04:21
rkmrHonjoI won't join PTG, but I will watch the etherpad. Thanks.04:22
rkmrHonjoAny other updates about this?04:22
tpatilrkmrHonjo: No04:23
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rkmrHonjoOK. let's go to next item.04:23
rkmrHonjoNext item is "Find hosts without specifying segments ".04:23
rkmrHonjoI created blueprint about this.04:23
rkmrHonjo#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-masakariclient/+spec/get-hosts-without-specifying-segments04:24
rkmrHonjoAnd, I'm preparing a spec for it.04:24
rkmrHonjoPlease review the spec when I submit it.04:24
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tpatilrmkrHonjo: Ok04:25
rkmrHonjotpatil: thanks.04:25
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rkmrHonjoNext item is "Queens Work Items"04:25
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rkmrHonjoSamP said that he will write items.04:26
rkmrHonjoBut it seems that writing is not completed yet.04:27
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rkmrHonjoDo you have any opinions about Queen work items?04:28
rkmrHonjoIf there is nothing, let's go to next topic.04:28
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tpatilrkmrHonjo: We can discuss about Queens work Items in next week after all items are added in the Etherpad04:30
rkmrHonjotpatil: OK. (And, I have a same opinion.)04:31
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rkmrHonjoLet's go to next topic.04:31
rkmrHonjo#topic AOB04:31
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rkmrHonjoDo you have AOBs?04:31
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Nothing from my end04:33
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rkmrHonjoOK. Can we finish this meeting?04:33
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tpatil# link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495852/104:34
tpatilrkmrHonjo: Can you please review this patch? Do we want this patch in stable/pike branch?04:34
rkmrHonjotpatil: OK, I'll review it after that.04:35
rkmrHonjo#action: rkmrHonjo review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495852/104:35
tpatilThis patch is not critical but it's dependent on patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498351/204:36
rkmrHonjotpatil: Yes. So I review it.04:36
tpatilOk, Thank you.04:36
rkmrHonjoAny other AOBs04:37
rkmrHonjo?04:37
tpatilrkmrHonjo: No04:37
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rkmrHonjoOK, I finish this meeting. Thank you for attending this meeting!04:38
tpatilThank you, all04:39
abhishekkthank you04:39
Dinesh_Bhor thank you04:39
rkmrHonjobye04:39
rkmrHonjo#endmeeting04:39
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chenying#startmeeting karbor09:02
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 09:02:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is chenying. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'karbor'09:02
zhonghuahi09:02
chenyinghi09:02
jiaopengjuhi guys09:03
chenyingwaiting 2 minutes for people to join09:03
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yuvalhey09:03
chenyinghi yuval jiaopengju zhonghua09:04
chenyinglet's start09:05
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chenying#topic Pike release (tomorrow)09:05
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chenyingso yuval It seems that there are not any patches that need be meged to pike branch.09:06
yuvalyes, seems like we are ready for the pike release tomorrow09:06
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chenyingWhat's about the patches about network plugins that jiaopengju work on?09:07
yuvalwell, they are important, but they are not yet tested or reviewed09:07
chenyingWill we merge them to pike branch int the future?09:07
jiaopengjuchenying: I will try to split the patch and re-test it soon.09:08
yuvalwe can later backport to pike and make a minor release09:08
chenyingsound good.09:08
yuvalchenying: we can09:08
chenyingSo do you have any question about this topic Pike release?09:09
chenyingyuval: you do great job on karbor project release.09:09
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chenyingping gengchc_09:10
yuvalchenying: thanks :)09:10
chenyingwelcome.09:10
gengchc_hello09:10
chenyingnext topic09:11
zhonghuacelebrate the new release09:11
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chenying#topic Virtual PTG09:11
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chenyingI have listed the queens goals for karbor in this link : https://ethercalc.openstack.org/karbor-queens09:12
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yuvalThe PTG is in Denver, CO, September 11 - 1509:13
yuvalWe have decided to do a virtual PTG09:13
yuvalthat means deciding on topics and hosting the discussion over voice/video09:14
zhonghuavideo? how to join it?09:15
yuvalwe need to find a suitable platform09:15
zhonghuahow about zoom?09:17
chenyingsound good.09:17
yuvalnot familiar with it09:18
zhonghuaAFAIK, k8s community used it as the meeting tool09:18
zhonghuaanother is skype.09:20
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chenyingOne problom, not all voice/video can be accessed from the pc in my office.09:20
jiaopengjuchenying: how about wechat group :)09:22
jiaopengjutacker team use it sometimes09:22
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yuvalI'm ok with zoom09:23
chenyingSo we can use zoom.09:23
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yuvalAlright, we just need to decide on sessions time and topics09:25
chenyingIMO, 11 - 15 five days may be too long for karbor PTG? :D  two or three days?09:25
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yuvalThe first three days (11-13) are for more major projects (nova, cinder, neutron) while the next two days (14-15) are for our class of projects09:26
chenyingso (14-15)?09:27
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chenying#info Karbor Virtual PTG September 14 - 1509:28
yuvalyes09:30
chenyingthe detail about the session and spec can be added here in this link. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/karbor-queens-planning09:30
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chenyingAre there any quesion about this topic?09:31
yuvalnope09:31
chenying#topic spec: Adding more protection parameters retention period09:33
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chenyingping gengchc_09:33
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chenyinghe is offline. So we can discuss the questions about this spec on karbor IRC channel.09:35
chenyingnext one09:35
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chenying#topic Open Discussion09:36
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chenyingany quesions want to discuss?09:36
yuvalnothing from me :)09:37
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chenyingyuval As I mentioned in the IRC channel about the fullstack for pod proection.09:37
chenyingWhat's I want to see, the fullstack for pod proection will not be introduced to karbor. I will add doc about  how to run the k8s cluster on the openstack environment(devstack) and how to protect pod with karbor in future.09:38
yuvalchenying: ok..?09:38
gengchc_Can we discuss spec: Adding more protection parameters retention period?09:38
chenyingwhat your oppion about it09:38
yuvalchenying: I need to read more about it09:38
yuvalchenying: not sure I understand what's the exact problem09:39
chenyingOK. If you have any quesion, we can discuss in irc channel.09:39
chenyingping gengchc_09:40
chenyingabout the spec: Adding more protection parameters retention period. Do you have any quesiton about it?09:40
chenyingAs yuval's comment about this spec, we thin these parameters about  retention period could not be add to the plan API.09:41
chenyingS/thin/think09:42
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chenyingping gengchc_09:42
gengchc_I see your suggestion,we can not place max_backups parameter in a plan.Can we add one karbor object that used to keep max_backups parameters?09:43
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chenyingThe retention period are the parameters about the scheduled policy. yuval have explain the reason.09:45
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chenyingWe can consider add these parameters about  retention period to the scheduled_operation API.09:46
chenyingyuval What's your oppion about it?09:46
gengchc_ok09:47
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chenyingping yuval09:47
gengchc_chenying:can we add these parameters to ScheduledOperation?09:48
yuvalchenying: gengchc_: these are two different approaches: 1. stating the retention policy as a 'state', 2. stating a scheduled operation to perform operations in order to achieve that state09:48
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gengchc_chenying:ok09:49
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yuvalchenying: gengchc_: my suggestion is: as we have a 'protect' operation in the Operation Engine service, create a new operation which wakes up, manages the retention policy09:49
yuvalchenying: gengchc_: scheduled operation can save extra info in them, including max_backups and retention_period09:50
yuvalchenying: gengchc_: (for example)09:50
chenyingyuval I agree that adding  max_backups and retention_period to the extra info of scheduled operation API.09:51
yuvalchenying: gengchc_: I believe we can avoid adding these fields into the data model and API of karbor09:51
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gengchc_chenying:ok.I avoid adding these fields to these fields into the data model and API of karbor, if we use the state to solve the problem.09:53
chenyingyuval: If we add these the  extra info of scheduled operation API. do we need define a schema about it (extra info field.) not add new field to data module.09:53
chenyingIf we add these to09:54
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yuvalnot sure I understand09:55
chenyingadding  max_backups and retention_period to the extra info of scheduled operation API.09:55
yuvalwhat about it? I think we should refrain from doing so09:56
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chenyingDo we need define the schema about this extra info filed. What parameters can be supported09:56
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yuvalchenying: no, just create a new operation type (like protect) and have it parse the 'operation_definition' param09:58
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yuvalchenying: a new operation type in the Operation Engine, not the Protection Service09:59
yuvalhttps://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/data-protection-orchestration/v1/index.html#create-scheduled-operation09:59
chenyingOK. I see.09:59
yuvaltime's up09:59
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chenyingso we can discuss it in karbor IRC channel.10:00
gengchc_different protection objects, we may need to set the max_backups to different values.10:01
yuvalhey, time is up10:01
chenying#endmeeting10:01
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Qiming#startmeeting senlin13:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 13:01:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
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ruijie_evening Qiming13:02
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Qimingevening13:03
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ruijie_em.. Qiming. there is a question about how to recover/terminate the actions when the engines restarted13:11
Qimingyes13:11
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ruijie_if the engine which hold the cluster action went down, the node actions will be messed?13:12
Qimingsaw you comments13:12
Qiminggood question, I don't see a reliable way to recover the situation13:14
Qimingunless we introduce transactions of actions13:14
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ruijie_em, yes Qiming. But we may want the engine do not process the sub-actions if the cluster action been marked as cancel or failed13:16
Qimingokay13:18
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ruijie_Qiming, about the transactions, can you introduce the idea :)13:20
Qimingone feature of transactions are that they can be rolled back13:21
Qimingthat would be very complicated13:22
Qimingsay for a CLUSTER_CREATE action13:23
Qimingif it fails due to whatever reason (engine crash for example), we roll back the whole action13:23
Qimingdeleting all nodes created13:23
Qimingthat would be a super clean way for transactions13:24
Qiminghowever, regarding the problem you want to solve right now, there could be a lightweight solution13:24
QimingCLUSTER_ actions always impose CLUSTER_SCOPE locks first, and later, node locks when necessary13:26
ruijie_that would be great if it could be solved step by step13:26
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QimingNODE_ actions *may* impose NODE_SCOPE locks first, then later node locks13:26
ruijie_yes Qiming13:26
Qimingwithout having those locks released, no other engines will be able to grab it for execution, even if we are marking them as READY13:27
Qimingthe key point here is when breaking locks, we have to do it in the reverse order13:28
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Qimingmaybe that is something we can do at the moment13:28
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ruijie_so, we can keep the cluster locks there before we finished GC work13:29
Qimingyes13:30
ruijie_yes Qiming, that could be a workaround13:31
Qiminggreat13:31
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ruijie_but we may push the work load/code to db layer13:32
ruijie_we are now doing this in db.api13:32
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ruijie_sorry, need look forward to it, I think that can solve the current problem13:33
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Qimingdifference between "push to db layer" and "do this in db.api" ?13:35
ruijie_the real logic for breaking locks and erasing dependents are all in db layer13:36
Qimingyes13:37
ruijie_so, we can now update the status of the action directly for example13:38
ruijie_or we can use the "control" field to control it before we process the actions13:39
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ruijie_this is about another problem that we have dirty data :)13:41
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ruijie_1. we reverse the GC process so that we can make sure the cluster will not be triggered again before we finishing GC13:45
ruijie_2. we may want to process the actions which status are RUNNING .etc which should not be process anymore13:45
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Qimingat the end of the day, no action should be left RUNNING13:48
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Qimingif the engine holding its lock was dead, we should mark them as failed13:48
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Qimingdefinitely, we don't have logic to grab a RUNNING action for execution, right?13:49
ruijie_but what if it's already been processed by one thread.. we do not check the nodes actions' status when processing13:50
Qimingwe check them all13:50
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Qimingwe get "first" READY or "random" READY actions for execution, not RUNNING ones13:51
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XueFengyes13:52
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QimingI'm gonna cut final release for pike late tomorrow13:54
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Qimingplease help confirm all important patches are already reviewed and merged13:54
ruijie_sure Qiming13:54
Qimingnote, this is only about stable/pike branch13:54
Qimingnot master13:54
XueFengOK13:54
ruijie_will think more about this problem13:54
Qimingokay13:55
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Qimingany other issues I'm missing?13:55
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XueFengTwo problems to discuss13:56
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XueFeng1.Some MANO Client want to use senlin to storage VMs13:57
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QimingXueFeng, we are running out of time13:58
XueFengok:)13:58
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Qimingyou could have brought these up early in the meeting13:58
XueFengOk13:58
Qimingor, you can post them to #senlin channel later13:59
XueFengI entry in 13utc13:59
Qimingthanks for joining, I guess you have long stories :)13:59
XueFengbut my network has some problem13:59
Qiming#endmeeting13:59
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jlibosva#startmeeting networking14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 14:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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jlibosvahello o/14:00
haleybhi14:00
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hichihara:)14:01
jlibosva#topic Announcements14:01
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haleybjlibosva: well, my clock says :5914:01
haleybnow it's :0014:01
jlibosvareminder: the ptg is in 2 weeks - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg14:01
jlibosvaI have already 0214:01
jlibosvahaleyb: ^^14:01
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amotokiyou seem to have local ntp system not connected to the internet :)14:02
jlibosvanext update: we've had a while now the stable/pike branch14:02
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jlibosvaso if you have any critical patches that need to go to Pike, you have 1 day left :)14:03
jlibosvaThe release is scheduled for tomorrow14:03
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jlibosvaany other announcements anybody?14:03
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jlibosvalet's move on then14:05
jlibosva#topic Bugs and gate failures14:05
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jlibosvaI think we haven't had a bug deputy for a while now14:05
jlibosvawe will likely reconsider an approach of bug triaging for the next cycle14:05
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jlibosvaI think kevin also mentioned that in his PTL nomination14:06
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HoloIRCUser50/14:06
jlibosvadoes anybody have any important bug that would be worth attention here?14:07
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HoloIRCUser5https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161802514:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1618025 in neutron "MTU specified during neutron network create is not honored, always set to 1500" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Esha Seth (eshaseth)14:07
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* jlibosva is surprised no critical failures are happening with release date approaching14:08
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jlibosvaHoloIRCUser5: hi, thanks :) looking14:08
HoloIRCUser5Reedip here :) in the car so , Nick isn't set yet14:08
hichiharaCould anybody recheck https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497415/ if you see the gate failure.14:08
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jlibosvaHoloIRCUser5: I hope you're not driving :) this bug is quite old and was closed as invalid and there are no new actions there14:09
mlavallehichihara: I'll keep an eye on it and recheck if needed14:09
hichiharaDefault QoS is new feature for Pike but it's completely broken now. I think that we must fix.14:09
hichiharamlavalle: Thanks!14:09
HoloIRCUser5No , at a halt :p14:09
amotokihichihara: OSC gate usually hit this issue.14:09
amotokiit does not always happen from my experience14:11
hichiharaamotoki: I see. I didn't know why you push gate-failure tag into Launchpad.14:11
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amotokihichihara: during exploring how to reproduce, you filed it :)14:11
hichihara:)14:11
HoloIRCUser5jlibosva sorry this was the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171349914:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1713499 in neutron "Cannot delete a neutron network, if the currently configured MTU is lower than the network's MTU" [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)14:11
amotokiI don't think it is critical for another RC. good backport candidate14:11
hichiharaamotoki: I think so14:12
amotoki'it' is about QoS default policy14:12
amotokireedip: any update on bug 1713499?14:13
openstackbug 1713499 in neutron "Cannot delete a neutron network, if the currently configured MTU is lower than the network's MTU" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713499 - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)14:13
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HoloIRCUser5amotoki I checked the behavior and found I cannot create the network with the specified MTU greater than MTU in the configuration file. But I would like the opinion of neutron cores on the steps performed by the bug logger in comment#5(I guess)14:15
jlibosvato me it sounds like a legitimate bug14:15
amotokiIMHO decreasing the global MTU value is very rare operation process14:16
haleybit doesn't seem like a blocker since there is a workaround - don't change the value14:16
HoloIRCUser5But if someone does that, then should.the person just revert the global physnet MTU to delete any pre existing networks?14:16
amotokianyway we need to check scenarios this bug hits14:16
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jlibosvaamotoki: but the server should be protected either by failing/stating in the logs, that there are network with higher mtu than the one in config file, right?14:17
amotokijlibosva: sounds fair14:17
HoloIRCUser5jlibosva so you mean running a check at startup for network with MTU greater than current MTU specification?14:17
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HoloIRCUser5jlibosva : and should it be restricted to any network (IMO it can be both self service abd provider )14:18
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jlibosvaHoloIRCUser5: either that or not failing deleting a network because of that. I think the main point is that the network should be deletable if op changes the configuration14:18
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HoloIRCUser5jlibosva deletion can be allowed but creation can remain blocked like before14:19
HoloIRCUser5Updates should also be blocked I think14:19
amotokiat least, the issue reported in bug 1713499 looks a valid bug. there is no reason to preventing such network at least14:20
openstackbug 1713499 in neutron "Cannot delete a neutron network, if the currently configured MTU is lower than the network's MTU" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713499 - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)14:20
jlibosvaI'll try to reproduce it on my setup, so we can flip the LP bug to confirmed14:20
jlibosvaand we can discuss on the LP what is the expected behavior14:21
amotoki+114:21
hichihara++14:21
HoloIRCUser5Sure jlibosva14:21
mohankumar+114:21
HoloIRCUser5+114:21
jlibosvaHoloIRCUser5: thanks for bringing this up14:21
HoloIRCUser5:)14:21
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jlibosvaI think we can move on to the next topic14:22
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jlibosva#topic OSC14:22
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jlibosvaamotoki: hi, wanna give any updates?14:22
amotokino updates on OSC side14:22
amotokiwe have several OSC plugin reviews like dynamic-rotuing14:23
amotokiI think they are the next focus14:23
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jlibosvagood, thanks14:23
jlibosva#topic Neutron-lib14:23
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jlibosvaboden couldn't make it to the first half of the meeting but he dropped me an email14:24
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jlibosvaif folks have some spare cycles, there are some -lib patches but no critical ones14:24
jlibosvaboden will send an email to ML once he revives all consumption patches for Neutron and other stadium projects14:25
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jlibosvathat's all he wanted to say about neutron-lib :) anybody has anything else?14:25
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jlibosvasounds like we're good to move to the next topic14:27
jlibosva#topic docs14:27
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jlibosvaboden left me in email this LP bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1684379 - it needs some attention14:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1684379 in neutron " Expose neutron api application as a wsgi script" [Medium,Triaged]14:27
jlibosvabobh: hi :)14:27
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jlibosvabobh: sorry :)14:27
jlibosvaboden: hi :)14:27
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bodenhi14:28
jlibosvaboden: I've covered lib and now we're in docs14:28
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bodenjlibosva: ok I see you already mentioned the bug that could use some input14:28
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bodenother than that, just FYI that I’ve been working through the doc defects in parallel with the lib work.. I hope to get the number down in the coming weeks14:29
bodenand that’s it :)14:29
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jlibosvaboden: thanks :)14:30
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jlibosvaanybody has anything related to docs?14:30
mlavalleJust to mention that in the PTG Monday and Tuesday14:30
mlavalleThe docs team will get together14:30
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mlavalleI plan to attend and invite folks to join in if you have interest in docs14:31
mlavallemaybe amotoki will join in :-)14:31
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amotokiwill be there14:31
mlavalleNice!14:31
jlibosvamlavalle: thanks for advertising :)14:32
jlibosvaanything else?14:32
mlavallenot from me14:32
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jlibosva#topic Open discussion14:32
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jlibosvadoes anybody have a topic to discuss here?14:32
janzianJust a quick note, oslo is soon completing the removal of some deprecated options, as mentioned here:14:32
janzianhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121345.html14:33
janzianThe work to be done is detailed in the attached etherpad:14:33
janzianhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-queens-tasks14:33
janzianIf you know of anything that might be affected, now would be an excellent time to move to the newer options :)14:33
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mlavalleon another topic, I was talking yesterday to some of my Huawei co-workers who won't be able to be at the PTG. Are we going to have some remote connection option for people not physically present?14:35
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jlibosvajanzian: thanks for the update :)14:35
jlibosvamlavalle: I guess that's up to us, if somebody is willing to sacrifice a laptop or tablet14:37
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jlibosvaon previous design sessions, I remember remote people participating via etherpad14:37
mlavallejlibosva: ok, I'll talk to Kevin off-line14:37
jlibosvamlavalle: or maybe you can drop an email to foundation14:37
mlavalleThat's a good idea. I'll follow up14:38
jlibosvaany other topics to discuss?14:38
jlibosvaok, we can end earlier then14:39
jlibosvathanks everyone for showing up14:39
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jlibosva#endmeeting14:39
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ralonsohhello15:00
ralonsoh#startmeeting neutron_qos15:00
slaweqhi15:00
alisanhajiHi15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 15:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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ralonsoh#topic RFEs15:00
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ralonsohLet's start15:01
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/169295115:01
openstackLaunchpad bug 1692951 in neutron "[RFE] DSCP mark on the outer header" [Wishlist,Confirmed]15:01
ralonsohThe RFE is not accepted yet15:01
ralonsohslaweq: did the author talk in the drivers meeting about this?15:01
ralonsohdo you know?15:01
ralonsohthere is no answer in the bug15:01
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slaweqI don't know but I think that alisanhaji is author of it15:01
alisanhajiI am the author, no not yet15:01
slaweq:)15:01
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ralonsohalisanhaji: ok15:02
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slaweqI'm not sure if now is the best time for that, maybe on (or after) PTG?15:02
ralonsohalisanhaji: you need to have this approval to start sending code15:02
ralonsohslaweq: actually now is the best moment to start sending RFE and BP15:02
slaweqralonsoh: ok15:03
davidshaThey are planing on going back to discussing RFE's this week I believe.15:03
alisanhajislaweq advised me on the matter, I should talk about it with neutron drivers members no?15:03
ralonsohalisanhaji: yes and you should ask if you need to fill a blue print15:03
ralonsohalisanhaji: sorry, a spec15:04
slaweqIMHO yes, if RFE will be set to triagged then it can be discussed on drivers meeting AFAIK15:04
ralonsohslaweq: yes, you are right15:04
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slaweqmlavalle is not here today15:04
ralonsohnot yet...15:05
alisanhajiso I talk about it at the end of the neutron drivers meeting?15:05
slaweqhe is one of drivers team members who can change it to triagged15:05
ralonsohalisanhaji: you can try to ping mlavalle later15:05
davidshaHe's in Texas isn't he?15:05
slaweqdavidsha: I think so15:05
alisanhajiyes I can do15:05
slaweqalisanhaji: You can also try to talk with ihrachys or kevinbenton about it (on openstack-neutron channel)15:05
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ralonsohalisanhaji: also you can take a look (and fill) the etherpad for the meeting, adding your rfe15:06
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ralonsohok, next topic15:07
alisanhajislaweq: roger that15:07
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/164951715:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1649517 in neutron "qos policy attached to network, qos_policy_id is reflecting on neutron net-show , but not on the port with neutron port-show" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)15:07
ralonsohthe code is almost finished15:07
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419642/15:07
slaweqyes, I helped reedip with this patch15:08
slaweqplease review it if You can15:08
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ralonsohslaweq: done15:08
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ralonsohbut jenkins is failing15:08
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davidshaYa, weird errors in tempest dsvm py35 test....15:09
slaweqI will check this jenkins once again15:09
reedip_o/15:09
reedip_hi15:09
davidshaHey15:09
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slaweqhello reedip_15:09
ralonsohhi15:09
reedip_hi, sorry, jyst reached home15:09
ralonsohok, I think this RFE is almost done15:09
ralonsohnext one15:10
ralonsohhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/159661115:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)15:10
ralonsohtwo patches15:10
ralonsohTC modifications15:10
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453458/15:10
ralonsohas I said first, the code is OK but I don't agree with splitting it15:11
ralonsohso I can't +115:11
slaweqsame as me :)15:11
ralonsohbut we need more reviewers on this one15:11
reedip_is there an issue with the splitting of code ?15:11
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ralonsohwith this patch will be two TC wrappers15:12
ralonsohone for ML215:12
ralonsohand one for L3 agent15:12
reedip_oh ok15:12
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ralonsohas I said, LIU's patch need more eyes15:12
ralonsohsecond patch: API15:13
ralonsoh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424466/15:13
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reedip_thats at a merge conflict15:13
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ralonsohthe comments made are not addressed yet15:14
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ralonsohso we should wait for the next patch15:14
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ralonsohthis patch, as I commented, should be rebase on top of FIP OVO patch15:14
ralonsohhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/396351/15:14
ralonsohbecause is modifying code this last patch is converting to OVO15:15
reedip_I am not sure if shashank is still available ( intel )15:15
ralonsohwho is shashank?15:15
reedip_the actual author :)15:16
reedip_never mind, saw Lujin working on it :)15:16
ralonsohyes, Lujin is working on it15:16
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ralonsohbtw, this is a good patch to review15:16
ralonsohFIP OVO15:17
reedip_ok15:17
ralonsohok, no more RFEs15:17
slaweqralonsoh: ok, I will look on it15:17
ralonsoh#topic Bugs15:17
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ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171291315:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1712913 in neutron "Update DVR router port cause error with QoS rules" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)15:17
reedip_ralonsoh : have we discussed about ECN?15:18
ralonsohin progress: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498598/15:18
ralonsohreedip_: I didn't have the RFE link15:18
ralonsohreedip_: is an RFE??15:18
reedip_thats an RFE which has picked up some reviews :) I know it was in the cold storage for a long time15:18
reedip_I think it was15:18
slaweqI haven't had time yet to check gate logs from my patch to check if it really solves problem15:18
reedip_anyways I think we can take it up later in Open discussion15:18
ralonsohreedip_: let's move this to open discussion15:19
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ralonsohslaweq: I'll take a look to your patch today15:19
slaweqralonsoh: thx15:19
slaweqI will also check why jenkins failed on it15:19
slaweqbut I will do it at the evening15:19
ralonsohperfect15:20
ralonsohnext one15:20
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171116515:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1711165 in networking-odl "Error during full sync with QoS" [Critical,New] - Assigned to rajiv (rajiv-kumar)15:20
ralonsohthe fix in Neutron is merged, thanks reedip_15:20
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reedip_:) , yes I think the ODL one would also be fixed soon15:21
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ralonsohisaku is on this one15:21
ralonsohthe last one15:21
reedip_yep , I think rajivk is also working on this with him15:21
ralonsohreedip_: there is a patch15:22
ralonsohbut it's abandoned: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494663/15:22
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ralonsohok, next one15:22
ralonsoh#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/171227815:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1712278 in neutron "Default qos policy doesn't work when creating network" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Hirofumi Ichihara (ichihara-hirofumi)15:23
reedip_oh ok15:23
ralonsohthe patch was merged this week15:23
slaweqit's already fixed in master15:23
ralonsohthanks to hichihira15:23
slaweqI think it's also cherry-picked to pike already15:23
ralonsohyes, and almost merged (jenkins is failing)15:23
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ralonsohand that's all in bugs15:24
ralonsohdo you have anyone?15:24
slaweq\o/15:24
ralonsohnext topic15:24
ralonsoh#topic Other Changes15:24
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ralonsohreedip_: do you have the bug link?15:24
ralonsohand the spec link15:25
reedip_for ECN ?15:25
ralonsohto add them to the etherpad15:25
ralonsohyes15:25
reedip_I need the etherpad link plz ?15:25
ralonsohhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_qos_meeting_chair15:25
ralonsohspec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/15:25
reedip_https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 is the bug15:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)15:25
ralonsohprefect15:25
ralonsohI'll add it now15:25
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reedip_ok15:26
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ralonsohreedip_: I was on vacation15:26
reedip_ralonsoh : a much deserved one I guess :)15:26
ralonsohI didn't have time to take a second look to the spec15:26
ralonsohthanks!15:27
ralonsohbut I'll take a look tomorrow morning, no excuses15:27
reedip_I added the ECN link in the RFEsection15:27
reedip_no , its ok :)15:27
ralonsoh(I'll start today)15:27
reedip_I am happy it got a push atleast :)15:27
ralonsohreedip_: try to ping Ihar or Kevin to take a look to it15:28
reedip_ok , lemme take it to them15:28
alisanhajiralonsoh: what is the link to the etherpad you were talking about earlier (neutron drivers) please?15:28
ralonsohalisanhaji: all meetings --> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/15:29
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davidshaalisanhaji: The drivers meeting doesn't have an etherpad I believe, but this is when they meet: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_drivers_Meeting15:29
alisanhajidavidsha: thanks :)15:30
ralonsohI don't see the etherpad (if exists)15:30
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davidsharalonsoh: It may be a private thing for the drivers.15:30
davidshaif there is one.15:30
alisanhajiralonsoh: ok I'll attend the neutron drivers meeting15:31
reedip_search thier logs :P15:31
ralonsohdavidsha: could be, but it's shouldn't: you should be able to add possible topics15:31
ralonsohalisanhaji: yes, attend next meeting15:31
ralonsohok, is there anything else in the agenda??15:32
reedip_ralonsoh : I need some help in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456773/15:32
reedip_Didnt get your comment about pre and post commit15:32
ralonsohlet me take a look...15:33
ralonsohreedip_: let's take this one out of the meeting. I'll start looking at it now15:33
ralonsohwe can talk in the neutron channel15:34
ralonsohok?15:34
reedip_oh ok , drop me a message once you have checked it. I might go out after the meeting , so maybe I can ping you tomorrow 0800 UTC ?15:34
ralonsoh(I need to take a closer look, I don't remember this patch hehehee)15:34
ralonsohreedip_: no problem!15:34
reedip_:)15:34
ralonsohbtw, I'm not going to the PTG15:35
slaweqralonsoh: :(15:35
reedip_me neither :(15:35
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reedip_we can discuss the topics on etherpad15:35
ralonsohbad luck!15:35
ralonsohreedip_: for sure15:36
ralonsohany other topic to be discussed?15:36
slaweqI think we should cancel next QoS meeting as it will be during PTG15:36
slaweqwhat You think about it?15:36
reedip_also , I asked kendall and he said that the result for Project Updates paper for sydney would be released later15:36
ralonsohperfect, I'll send a mail15:36
slaweqthx ralonsoh15:37
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ralonsohok, thank you all15:37
davidshaThanks!15:38
ralonsoh#endmeeting15:38
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ralonsohbye15:38
openstackMeeting ended Tue Aug 29 15:38:08 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:38
slaweqthx and see You15:38
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alisanhajiThanks and by15:38
alisanhajie15:38
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lbragstad#startmeeting keystone18:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 18:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'keystone'18:01
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting18:01
lbragstadagenda ^18:01
cmurphyo/18:01
lbragstadping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar18:01
lbragstado/18:01
rmascenao/18:01
samueldmqhello o/18:01
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knikollao/18:01
rodrigodso/18:01
gagehugoo/18:01
hrybackio/18:01
lbragstadpretty short agenda this week18:02
lbragstadso we should have plenty of time for open discussion if needed18:02
spillao/18:02
lbragstad#topic announcements: stable/pike18:03
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lbragstadstable/pike is out the door, with proper release notes18:03
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cmurphy\o/18:03
lbragstadthanks everyone for all the hard work and making for a smooth release18:03
hrybackiwoot18:03
knikolla\o/18:03
gagehugoyay18:04
lbragstadeverything is being tracked in launchpad for stable/pike18:04
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lbragstadso if you see bugs come through and it's relevant, it should be business as usual for stable branches18:04
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lbragstad#topic PTG Planning and schedule18:04
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lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-queens-ptg18:04
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lbragstadI have our schedule roughed out18:05
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lbragstadif anyone notices conflicts with other sessions - please let me know at your earliest convenience18:05
hrybackiso, I won't be landing until 1100 on Monday but would love to participate in the policy-and-docs-in-code portion of the day18:05
lbragstadi've sent notes to the mailing list advertising the schedule, but i haven't heard anything back yet18:06
lbragstadso no news is good news, right?18:06
lbragstadhrybacki: that's why i wanted to flip the sessions on tuesday18:06
lbragstaddo baremetal/vm stuff in the morning and policy in code in the afternoon18:07
hrybackiack. Are the VM/BM SIG discussions the same over two days?18:07
kmalloci'll be in late mondyaish18:07
kmallocand will be available tuesday -> friday early afternoon fwiw18:07
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lbragstadhrybacki: that's a good question18:07
samueldmqlbragstad: 15 people, that's a good count18:07
lbragstadi blocked off a lot of time there because i'm not sure when that groups plans to talk about specific things18:07
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* hrybacki nods18:08
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lbragstadthose sessions involve a lot of other projects18:08
lbragstadwhich is good - but we might have a queue of topics to get through before we get to keystone specific things18:08
hrybackisilly question -- do we know that we'll have participation from the other projects?18:08
hrybackiI've not been to a PTG so I'm not sure how the cross-project portion works out18:09
lbragstadthe baremetal/vm group contains of the core projects and focuses on making the entire platform better18:09
* hrybacki nods18:09
hrybackiso low priority? /s18:09
lbragstadso far, all the sessions i've been to have had consistent representation from each project18:09
hrybackiawesome18:09
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lbragstadwhich is part of the reason why we dedicate a specific day or two towards cross project work18:10
lbragstad(hopefully minimizing conflicts18:10
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lbragstad)18:10
kmallocfwiw, i have a strong opinion on the limit bits now. so, i have *future* planning things, so i need to make sure that limit convo is when i'm available18:10
lbragstadkmalloc: fantastic18:10
lbragstadlet's make sure we bring that up on tuesday then18:10
kmallocwfm18:11
lbragstadnoted in the etherpad18:11
lbragstadanyone else have questions on the proposed schedule?18:12
lbragstad#topic open discussion18:14
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samueldmqlbragstad: I have one question18:14
lbragstadsamueldmq: shoot18:14
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samueldmqwhy isn't "Role check in middleware" in the "Policy & RBAC" slot?18:14
lbragstadsamueldmq: oh - i think i put that in the vm/baremetal slot so that we could get more cross-project discussion going18:15
lbragstadbut it can certainly live in both18:15
samueldmqit does actually18:15
lbragstadactually - it is in the policy bit, too18:16
lbragstadyep18:16
samueldmq"RBAC Check in Middleware" is in the policy & rbac18:16
samueldmqare we making sure the other folks driving the cross-project rbac stuff will attend it too18:16
samueldmqsince mon-tue is for the cross project goals (in policy in this case), correct?18:16
lbragstadwe should have representation available in the vm/baremetal sessions18:16
lbragstadfrom the other projects18:17
samueldmqok, I see Global roles is already in vm/baremetal18:17
lbragstadyeah - i'm still working on the PoC for it18:17
samueldmqwhat about "Defining a standard set of roles" would that be nice to have cp discussions?18:18
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lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/global-roles18:18
samueldmqin vm/baremetal18:18
samueldmqwell, I understand time is limited, and we can always pull more things in if we feel necessary18:18
lbragstadyeah - i documented some more topics we should bring up in another etherpad, too18:18
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/policy-queens-ptg18:18
samueldmqschedule is looking great, lbragstad. well done18:18
lbragstadthanks18:18
lbragstadlet me know if i missed something18:19
hrybacki[raising general awareness] Has anyone responded to the doc team's request for verifying the install-guide? Looks like they asked us (and some others) specifically to verify and may be holding a 'Docs and Drinks' session evening during the PTG.18:20
lbragstadhrybacki: i have not18:20
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lbragstadis anyone interested being a part of that validation?18:20
hrybackiOkay. I'll likely attend that D&D session if it gets off the ground18:21
lbragstadhrybacki: awesome - is the session dedicated to validating the install guide?18:21
lbragstador is there a different purpose?18:21
hrybackithat was the impression I got out of the email18:21
lbragstadok18:21
hrybackifeel free to assign me an AI for that18:21
lbragstadso they are treating it like a work session18:21
hrybackiI think so. I didn't see an etherpad with any specifics18:22
lbragstad#action hrybacki to respond to the docs request for validating the install guide for keystone18:22
hrybackibut that may have come in a reply since I last looked18:22
kmallocoh docs and drinks... not dungeons and dragons =/ :P18:22
hrybackikmalloc: I know :(18:22
lbragstadthe last thing i should do while drinking it writing docs18:22
lbragstadis*18:22
hrybackilol18:23
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lbragstadi have a hard time with sentences sober ;)18:23
gagehugoheh18:23
samueldmqI'd be fun18:23
hrybackithat work is for the editors :P18:23
lbragstadhrybacki: depending on how the scheduling shakes out and when things happen, i might be able to tag along18:23
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hrybackicool. It'd be good to network with the doc folks18:24
lbragstadagreed18:24
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hrybackilbragstad: I'd like to discuss the global scope PoC. How far you've gotten and how we (me) can step in to help. PTG is soooon18:25
hrybackibut that can be a side convo if you feel that to be a better use of the groups time18:25
lbragstadhrybacki: good question18:25
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lbragstadi can give a quick update18:26
lbragstadso here is all the code i have18:26
lbragstad#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/global-roles18:26
lbragstadwhich implements the ability to assign global roles to users and group18:26
lbragstadand the last patch in that series allows you to scope tokens to global context18:26
lbragstadso - that's the majority of the keystone bits18:26
* hrybacki nods18:26
lbragstad#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-global-roles-poc18:27
lbragstadso - 1 and 2 in ^ are pretty much done18:27
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lbragstadnext - is going to be making sure oslo.policy and oslo.context understand globally scoped tokens and pass that information along to the service18:27
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lbragstadthen it's just wiring things up for the demo18:27
lbragstadso - my goal is to get the oslo bits done this week and spend next week preparing a demo or a recording of the workflow (pending we don't have to make *massive* changes to each service)18:28
hrybackilbragstad: do you have hardware to work the demo on?18:29
lbragstadhrybacki: my x1.carbon and devstack :)18:29
hrybackiOkay :P18:29
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hrybackiwhere best can we step in to help you with this work now?18:29
lbragstadhrybacki: help with the oslo bits would be awesome18:29
lbragstadso - step 318:30
* knikolla goes to create a nova flavor called x1.carbon for his devstack18:30
hrybackilbragstad: okay. I've got cycles today and later this week which I can help out during18:30
hrybackibut I may need some pointers to get me started in the right direction18:30
lbragstadhrybacki: awesome - let me know when you want to dive in and we can sync on where to start18:30
hrybackilbragstad++18:31
lbragstadalso - reviews on the patches i have up would be a huge help18:31
lbragstadthey are pretty rough, but i've tried to break them into smaller bite-sized pieces18:31
hrybackiack. I'll look at those today so I have more context18:31
lbragstadthat'd be great18:31
lbragstadanyone have anything else?18:32
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samueldmqlbragstad: I will look at project-tags18:32
samueldmqthen global roles18:32
samueldmqif that order makes sense18:32
lbragstadsamueldmq: ++ yeah i need to take a gander at project tags again18:33
lbragstadunless there are more questions, we can get some time back18:33
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lbragstadreminder: office hours starts at the top of the hour18:34
lbragstadthanks for coming!18:34
lbragstad#endmeeting18:34
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samueldmqthanks all18:37
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clarkbInfra meeting will begin shortly. Anyone here for that?18:59
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Zarao/18:59
* cmurphy is around18:59
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jeblairo/19:00
fungii guess i'm here!19:00
ianwmorning!19:01
* fungi is happy to be an attendee and not a chair for a change ;)19:01
clarkbgood morning19:01
clarkbalright lets go ahead and get started19:01
clarkb#startmeeting infra19:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug 29 19:01:29 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'infra'19:01
clarkb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
clarkb#topic Announcements19:01
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clarkb#info Pike release tomorrow, 2017-08-3019:02
bkeroo/19:02
clarkbEarly in the morning PDT the release will be happening.19:02
bkerofungi: welcome to the other side :)19:02
fungirelease weeks are always fun19:02
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jeblairgood to know!19:02
clarkb1100UTC is when the fun begins19:02
fungii've volunteered to be around starting at 1100z in case anything comes up19:02
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clarkb#info PTG planning19:03
clarkb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens19:03
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dmsimard\o19:03
clarkbI've gone ahead and edited that etherpad to be a bit more agenda like (though still not quite an agenda)19:03
clarkbPlease add or edit items if necessary19:03
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mordredo/19:04
clarkb#link https://ttx.re/queens-ptg.html Thierry has also written down what you can expect and gives a good overview of the planning and organization of the PTG at a high level19:04
clarkb#info Queens Cycle signing key ready for attestation19:04
clarkb#link https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4c8b8b5a694f612544b3b4bac52f01a3fbdb9949&fingerprint=on Queens Cycle signing key19:04
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clarkb#link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/signing.html#attestation attestation process19:05
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clarkbfungi would like us to go and sign the queens cycle release key19:05
clarkbinfra-root please do that when you have a spare moment19:05
fungii expect to swap that one into production at or shortly following the ptg19:05
fungionce the cycle-trailing projects are tagged19:05
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fungii meant to have it ready earlier, so apologies for the short notice19:06
jeblairthis might be a good time to update the docs to incorporate the new key into zuulv319:06
clarkbthat is all I had for announcements, does anyone have any to add?19:06
fungii also added a suggestion to the ptg planning etherpad that we could do some key signing there if anyone wants to so it face-to-face19:06
mordredjeblair: ++19:06
jeblairfungi: ++keysigning19:06
fungis/so/do/19:06
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fungii'll give the release team a heads up at their meeting on friday that the new keys is available too19:07
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fungier, new key19:07
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clarkb#topic Actions from last meeting19:08
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clarkb#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-22-19.03.txt Minutes from last meeting19:08
clarkbfungi: have you managed to get switchport counts for infracloud together? I didn't dig into that csv you posted when debugging chocolate19:08
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funginope, that's the old table i fished out of an earlier audit which doesn't have switching/connectivity details19:09
pabelangero/19:09
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fungithough the dcm there doesn't seem to be getting back to me on it either19:09
fungiat the moment, he's also probably keeping an eye on rising floodwaters :/19:09
clarkbya. We can keep it on the list of todos so we don't forget but I imagine flooding has made this a very low priority for them19:10
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clarkb#action fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud19:10
clarkbI did send out a reminder to the dev list about the gerrit upgrade. I will try to send out another during the PTG (or maybe even remind people at lunch)19:10
clarkbianw: I don't think the mirror update server has been updated yet right? probably worth waiting for after the release tomorrow since we are so close to that19:11
ianwno, i chatted to tonyb about it ... but yeah, low priority given release19:11
clarkb#action ianw upgrade mirror-update server and bandersnatch19:12
clarkb#topic Specs approval19:12
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clarkbas of today I now have the right gerrit permissions to approve these.19:12
fungias of today i no longer have the responsibility to approve these ;)19:13
clarkbI don't see any new specs (not surprising given run up to release and ptg and zuulv3)19:13
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462207/19:13
mordredcongratulations and condolensces to you both :)19:13
Zara+119:13
fungiclarkb: i guess that one's ready for rollcall?19:14
fungiit's just a catch-up to what was implemented, right?19:14
clarkbfungi: ya, though it already has a few of those votes and isn't very controversial. Do you all want until thursday to look it over or should I go ahead and merge it?19:14
clarkbfungi: yup19:14
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fungino opinion, though it already has more rollcall votes than a lot of entire specs i ended up approving19:15
* fungi just added one more19:16
clarkbI don't mind waiting until Thursday, it is what we've done in the past and gives otehrs a chance to review it if relying on that19:16
clarkbso why don't we open this up and I'll check in on it on Thursday19:16
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clarkbare there any other specs that should be called out?19:17
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clarkb#topic Priority Efforts19:18
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clarkb#info Gerrit ContactStore Removal19:19
clarkb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492287/19:19
clarkbthis change is the cleanup in infra-specs for the contactstore removal. It depends on a couple changes that need review. Would be nice to get those in so we can take this off of the list19:19
clarkbgerrit topic:contact-store-removal19:20
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clarkb#topic Zuulv319:20
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clarkbjeblair: anything you want to add here? I think we will be using this time slot next week for quick zuul meeting due to monday holiday?19:20
jeblairyes, next week is our last meeting before the ptg, and monday is a holiday so no zuul meeting, so i'd like to check in on zuulv3 jobs then19:21
fungilots and lots of job changes flying for zuulv3 right now19:21
fungiis there a recommended priority order to review them in? or just reviewreviewreview?19:21
jeblairi think it makes sense for that effort to start merging with the wider infra team around then anyway :)19:21
jeblairfungi: basically the second :)19:22
fungik, will do19:22
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jeblairclarkb: i do have an item for today though:19:22
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jeblairi'd like to chat about the git repo cache19:22
mordredyah19:22
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jeblairin working on the devstack-legacy job (basically devstack-gate run as close as possible to the way we run it now) i found that the minimum projects list is still relatively long19:23
jeblairclarkb has done much work in reducing it (thanks!)19:23
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jeblairbut it's still not minimal.  the git repos add up to about 2.3G19:23
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jeblairnow in zuulv3, one of the things we wanted to do was avoid the need for a git cache on the images, so, to date, we push all the git repos from the executor to the nodes19:24
jeblairin infra cloud, that 2.3GB transfer takes about 1 hour19:24
jeblair(and of course, if more nodes are doing it, it will take even longer)19:24
jeblairlike almost everything else in zuulv3, of course we don't *have* to do it that way19:24
jeblairwe *can* use the git cache which is still there on the images19:25
jeblairand i'm working on patches to do that19:25
jeblairbut the discussion i think we should have as a group is:19:25
* mordred is in favor of adding support to the git repo copying for using a git cache if one exists19:25
fungido we have any real-world tests for pushing zuul refs in v3 for larger repos like nova?19:26
fungii imagine it's at least as straining as a git clone nova on a node would be19:26
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jeblair* what are our feelings around the on-image git repo caches short and long term?  we had wanted to minimize image size; do we want to keep the caches around just for the transition?  until something happens to ameliorate the infra-cloud problem?  permanently?19:26
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jeblairfungi: i don't think we've pushed nova until this test (but nova is included in this test)19:27
ianwyeah, at 150+mb that's bigger than some image downloads, and they've been terribly unreliable, and we don't have local git mirrors?19:27
fungiwe've mostly been coping with the larger image sizes, though i get it's not ideal19:27
clarkbright now the resource in image size seems to be less important that in aggregate cloud bw in part because we can copy a good chunk of the data that needs to move once a day rather than for every job19:27
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fungimy preference is to get some comparisons between with and without leveraging the local cache for a devstack run, but likely use the on-disk git caches at least through a transitional period until we can get some better real-world data on the impact of not having them19:28
pabelangerOur image builds have been pretty stable for the last while, and with zuulv3 it makes it much easier to ensure DIB uploads.  Right now, it takes about ~40mins to build an image, then another 1hr to upload them all with rackspace. I'd be okay with continuing to use /opt/git cache if available19:28
jeblair(incidentally pabelanger brought up a suggestion earlier: locate executors in clouds.  it's a good idea, but i don't see us being able to implement it until something like the zuul v4 timeframe.)19:29
mordredjeblair: yah - I think that's likely a great step, but I agree, it's not for now19:29
clarkbjeblair: beacuse we'd need to restrict them to only talking to local instances right?19:29
pabelangerYa, I like the idea of regional zuul-executors too, but v4 wfm19:29
jeblairclarkb: also it's awkward with gearman19:30
fungiyep, that gets us a nice middle-ground between on-disk git caches and updating from in-provider caches19:30
mordredso I think using the git caches until we can show a migration plan off of them that doesn't add an hour of build time seems sane to me19:30
clarkbmordred: ++19:30
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fungithat might be enough of an improvement to make not having the on-disk caches bearable19:30
pabelangermordred: ++19:30
mordredalso - since the git repo copying is done in a role in teh base job, once we're past PTG and ready to try things, we can always push up test jobs taht don't use the cache for comparison19:31
mordredas we think we might have the situation licked19:31
jeblairmordred, fungi: that's fair.  a followup question -- shall we use this for all jobs?  (i don't see why not)19:31
fungii do worry what it looks like to be doing a nova repo push across the atlantic19:31
mordredjeblair: yah, I think so19:31
clarkbI think that cinder multiattached volumes may actually have gotten in this release too, so in the future if all our clouds get to pike release and we haven't solved it otherwse we could try the local cinder volume cache idea as well19:31
fungii believe using it for all jobs makes sense from a consistency standpoint19:31
mordredjeblair: basically making the current git repo rsync step smarter would get us a bunch of traction19:32
clarkbjeblair: yes I think so, it will probably only cause confusion if we let users pick or choose19:32
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fungimaking sure zuul v3 works without on-disk caches is still important of course, but we should likely continue to use them consistently for now19:32
jeblairfungi: when you asaid 'in-provider cache' did you mean image, or do you mean setting something up on a new host, like the mirror, and cloning from there?19:32
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jeblairor put another way -- is anyone suggesting that idea ^?19:32
mordredjeblair: it's not a terrible idea - but I think it's also a post-ptg kind of idea (and has a similar logic to optional-on-disk cache)19:33
fungii meant having the executors co-located in the same provider as the nodes they're driving would be sort of like having nodes do git clones from in-provider git mirror endpoints19:33
mordred"please rsync these prepared repos to this node, but first please get base versions of those repos from XXX"19:33
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clarkbmordred: ya in large part because everyone wants to cache all the things that way and it turns out that scaling for caching the internet isn't straightforward19:33
jeblairmordred: ya19:33
fungifrom a performance perspective i meant19:33
mordredfungi: ++19:33
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jeblairso that may be something to consider if, after the ptg, we still want to further reduce image size but otherwise still have this problem19:34
fungii probably didn't actually say what i meant though ;)19:34
mordredfungi: I also like the per-provider executors concept if/when we can make a good plan for it19:34
mordredjeblair: ++19:34
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jeblair(also, i think we're about to be able to drop the deb- repos from the cache, so that should, like, halve its size)19:34
mordredyah19:34
pabelangeryup, retiring today actually19:34
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clarkbwe already don't cache them19:34
jeblairdrat19:34
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fungiright, wendar has been working on that today19:34
mordredfungi: speaking of - we should land that jeepyb change to stop showing retired repos ...19:34
jeblaireasy win was too easy19:34
mordredjeblair: :(19:35
jeblairokay so i'd propose an #agreed use the git repo cache for all v3 jobs until at least the transition is complete, then revisit19:35
fungimordred: seems like a good idea to me (and also skip them in codesearch). were there changes up for review?19:35
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clarkbwe probably can optimize that list a bit more though, liek double check we don't cache stackforge/ etc19:35
mordredhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/478992/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478939 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467235 if anybody feels like reviewing jeepyb changes19:35
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mordredfungi: I didn't think about codesearch - that's another good idea to add there19:36
clarkb#agreed use the git repo cache for all v3 jobs until at least the transition is complete, then revisit19:36
jeblairclarkb: eot from me19:36
mordredclarkb: we should grab the projects.yaml list and filter anything marked retired using the same logic as those patches ^^19:36
clarkb(happy to #undo that if someone disagrees but I heard general agreement )19:36
mordredin the image building19:36
clarkbmordred: ++19:36
fungii agree there's agreement19:37
clarkbalright moving on19:37
clarkb#topic General topics19:37
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clarkb#info Infracloud SSL certs were swapped out for snakeoil certs19:37
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fungiand there was much rejoicing?19:38
clarkblast week infracloud vanilla's ssl cert expired. So we did a quick switch over to its snakeoil cert because it already has the correct CN in it. Then yesterday did the same in chocolate as its cert expires in a month19:38
clarkbin the process updated how puppet master trust's those certs with clouds.yaml. We now directly trust the public cert rather than using update-ca-certificates (whcih wasn't puppeted on puppetmaster)19:39
fungiwhat's the expiration period on the snakeoils?19:39
clarkbfungi: 10 years, so ~9 more19:39
fungilong enough, thanks ;)19:39
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clarkbthis should be safe because if we swap out certs we don't need to revoke anything as we will just explicitly trust the new cert and stop trusting the old19:39
clarkbI guess that is like a local revocation19:39
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clarkbI should also write up how certs are managed. This isn't currently documented and created some initial confusion while we figured it out19:40
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clarkb#action clarkb update infracloud docs to include ssl setup info19:41
clarkb#info PTG Team Dinner19:41
clarkb#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-team-dinner19:41
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clarkbIf you are interested in joining us for a dinner in denver please add yourself to that etherpad with availabilty info19:42
clarkbit is looking like Tuesday will have to be the night based on current availability19:43
clarkbI think there is a happy hour thing at the PTG that evenign we can use to meet up and head out to somewhere like lowry beer garden19:43
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pabelanger+119:43
clarkbI'll likely solidy our plans for that early next week (so please do fill out the etherpad if you haven't yet)19:43
clarkb*solidify19:43
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clarkb#topic Open discussion19:44
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clarkbThat was basically all I had. Excited to see everyone in a couple weeks.19:44
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jeblair++19:45
Zara:D19:46
fungilooking forward to it. it will be nice to not to be the cat herder this time19:46
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fungihoping i can get deeper into stuff than i did last ptg19:46
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clarkbNext monday is a holiday in various parts of the world including the US and Canada19:47
fungii will likely still be mostly around19:48
fungiin case anything comes up19:48
fungii don't have any travel plans for the weekend/holiday19:48
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clarkbAlright, doesn't sound like we've got much for open discussion. You can find us in #openstack-infra if something comes up or on the mailing list. Thank you everyone19:49
clarkb#endmeeting19:49
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smcginnisclarkb: No cinder multiattach yet.19:59
smcginnisHopefully queens.19:59
clarkbah darn20:01
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