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| Guest72929 | >>> youtube.com/watch?v=X8qL6cAI0zQ | 06:52 |
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| eumel8 | Good Morning! | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | anybody there for I18n team meeting? | 07:02 |
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| amotoki | I just noticed it is the i18n meeting hour :p | 07:41 |
| ianychoi | yep | 07:42 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, amotoki: I am in another meeting but can discuss shortly | 07:45 |
| amotoki | I am in a meeting too :) | 07:47 |
| eumel8 | good morning, amotoki, ianychoi | 07:47 |
| eumel8 | I will send out an email | 07:48 |
| eumel8 | and then go to work :) | 07:48 |
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| amotoki | eumel8: thanks for updating the configuration of django-openstack-auth on Zanata! | 07:49 |
| amotoki | in queens heat-dashboard split out is also planned. | 07:49 |
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| amotoki | I think we can revisit a list of dashboard projcts around Q-3 | 07:50 |
| amotoki | it is the update as my horizon hat | 07:50 |
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| eumel8 | amotoki: ok, thx | 07:54 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 30 08:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:00 |
| gmann | who all here today? | 08:00 |
| * masayukig[m] is read only mode | 08:01 | |
| gmann | masayukig[m]: seems like no other member today. let's wait for a while | 08:02 |
| masayukig[m] | heh, yeah | 08:02 |
| apart | o/ | 08:03 |
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| gmann | apart: hi | 08:03 |
| gmann | let's start and finish early | 08:04 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_Nov_30th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 | 08:04 |
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| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 08:04 |
| gmann | no action item from previous meeting | 08:05 |
| gmann | #topic Office Hours Summary | 08:05 |
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| gmann | no office hour last week. | 08:05 |
| gmann | #Tempest | 08:05 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 08:05 |
| gmann | open reviews for tempest ^^ | 08:06 |
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| gmann | zuul v3 | 08:06 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:zuulv3-tempest | 08:06 |
| gmann | all base pacthes are merged. | 08:06 |
| gmann | now we need to migrate other jobs one by one | 08:06 |
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| gmann | i can help on that, last week i did for novaclient and reviewed bunch of other migration patches | 08:07 |
| masayukig | gmann: I'm actually not sure, but is there any list of that? | 08:08 |
| gmann | masayukig: i do not think we have list yet | 08:09 |
| masayukig | gmann: ok.. | 08:09 |
| gmann | those are mainly common jobs which other projects also use, | 08:09 |
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| chandankumar | \o/ | 08:10 |
| gmann | i think we need to move those into tempest but can confirm with infra team if those are considered as common jobs and maintained on projects-config side | 08:10 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, there are still about 10 legacy jobs on tempest | 08:11 |
| gmann | yea | 08:11 |
| masayukig | For example, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/521241/ | 08:11 |
| gmann | and those are legacy on other project side also. like nova | 08:11 |
| masayukig | indeed | 08:12 |
| gmann | hen i tried to do migration on nova side, i found all jobs nova use is of tempest one so there is no work required | 08:12 |
| gmann | once all tempest jobs are done then they are also all done | 08:12 |
| masayukig | OK, I see | 08:13 |
| * masayukig is waving to chandankumar | 08:13 | |
| gmann | anything else on Tempest side? | 08:13 |
| * chandankumar waves back to masayukig gmann | 08:13 | |
| gmann | apart: hows scenario manger things going on ? | 08:13 |
| gmann | one of congress member asked if scenario manager is ready to use | 08:14 |
| apart | Something need review | 08:14 |
| masayukig | apart: cool, I need to look at it | 08:14 |
| gmann | apart you maintaining that under same topic? | 08:14 |
| gmann | that can help to do fast review on thsoe | 08:14 |
| apart | Later I will give a list | 08:15 |
| gmann | ok thanks | 08:15 |
| apart | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519546/ | 08:15 |
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| apart | And how about this? | 08:15 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: masayukig can we get this merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523610/2 ? | 08:16 |
| gmann | apart: i see, so in those bugs for which that query was added, deleted msg was not there? | 08:17 |
| masayukig | chandankumar: yeah, I was thinking to review that.. | 08:17 |
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| gmann | chandankumar: yea sure. | 08:17 |
| chandankumar | mtreinish: thank you for updating the stestr patch | 08:17 |
| gmann | apart: i mean, if we had such bugs then we might miss in that e-r query | 08:18 |
| apart | I just think that is not ssh issue | 08:18 |
| chandankumar | gmann: masayukig before merging stestr patch we need to fix dependent projects which uses testr. i will create an etherpad to track | 08:18 |
| chandankumar | to run tempest tests | 08:18 |
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| gmann | apart: ok, let me check the bug logs for that query and ll reply on gerrit | 08:18 |
| apart | ：) | 08:19 |
| masayukig | chandankumar: ok, nice. but I think we can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523610/ at least | 08:19 |
| chandankumar | masayukig: yup | 08:19 |
| gmann | chandankumar: will it break other project? | 08:19 |
| chandankumar | gmann: masayukig http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=testr%20last&i=nope&files=&repos= | 08:19 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: most of the projects are using are dependent on .testrepository for subunit which needs to be fixed to use stestr | 08:20 |
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| chandankumar | most of them are used in gate hooks scripts with in project | 08:21 |
| gmann | yea but those is not broken now i mean that will be migration effort, not something dependent on | 08:21 |
| chandankumar | gmann: yes we can say that migration effort | 08:22 |
| gmann | yea, so we can merge that patch which does not break anyone | 08:22 |
| gmann | chandankumar: thanks for etherpad, that will help | 08:22 |
| chandankumar | let me create that | 08:22 |
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| gmann | anything else on Tempest side? | 08:23 |
| chandankumar | gmann: masayukig since ptg dublin is announced, i think we need to start thinking about the topics | 08:23 |
| * masayukig just realized that apart is zhufl? :-p | 08:23 | |
| gmann | masayukig: :) heh | 08:24 |
| apart | Yeah:) | 08:24 |
| gmann | chandankumar: yea but we have time for that | 08:24 |
| masayukig | chandankumar: yeah, | 08:24 |
| gmann | may be after new year vacation is right time | 08:24 |
| apart | I don’t know how to change the name | 08:24 |
| masayukig | yeah, things are changing very fast | 08:24 |
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| chandankumar | apart: use /nick zhufl | 08:25 |
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| gmann | let's move next | 08:25 |
| masayukig | +1 | 08:25 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 08:25 |
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| gmann | any critical reviews ? | 08:25 |
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| gmann | let's move to open then | 08:26 |
| masayukig | this is very quick one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/519566/ | 08:26 |
| gmann | masayukig: done | 08:27 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 08:27 |
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| masayukig | gmann: Thanks :) | 08:27 |
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| chandankumar | masayukig: gmann please have a look at this thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124686.html | 08:27 |
| chandankumar | heat tempest gabbi thread | 08:28 |
| gmann | chandankumar: yea, i am not sure if they do not really need plugin it is not mandatory | 08:28 |
| gmann | one things on ML was on Patrole extensions for other project tests | 08:29 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124995.html | 08:29 |
| gmann | i prefer to do inside patrole if not so many projects. | 08:29 |
| chandankumar | gmann: i think we need to expand tempest to auto discover and run gabbi tests behind the scene, it will help to expand the project scope | 08:29 |
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| gmann | but need more feedback from felipe or samantha | 08:30 |
| gmann | both are not here | 08:30 |
| gmann | chandankumar: humm not sure, tempest is ok to run tempest like tests only | 08:31 |
| gmann | that will make tempest a test runner instead of testing suits | 08:31 |
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| chandankumar | may be we can make tempest as a test runner + framework, (/me is not sure, better to have discussion) | 08:32 |
| chandankumar | later | 08:32 |
| gmann | i do not think test runner is good idea, stestr is there | 08:33 |
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| masayukig | I'm actually not sure what's the pain point now.. | 08:34 |
| gmann | back to Patrole - if anyone has more idea/feedback please share on ML. i think we can choose the best way and provide support as many projects might want policy testing. | 08:34 |
| gmann | masayukig: yea, i also did not understand that | 08:35 |
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| masayukig | +1 to the Patrole | 08:36 |
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| gmann | I think i am done, anything else to discuss | 08:36 |
| gmann | or we can close early and go home as its too cold in tokyo today :) | 08:36 |
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| masayukig | heh, yeah | 08:37 |
| zhufl | :) | 08:37 |
| gmann | ... 3 | 08:37 |
| gmann | .. 2 | 08:37 |
| chandankumar | .1 | 08:37 |
| gmann | . 1 | 08:37 |
| masayukig | heh | 08:37 |
| gmann | thanks all | 08:37 |
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| gmann | #endmeeting | 08:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 30 08:38:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-30-08.00.html | 08:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-30-08.00.txt | 08:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-11-30-08.00.log.html | 08:38 |
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| gmann | chandankumar: ncie timing :) | 08:38 |
| gmann | nice | 08:38 |
| * chandankumar arrived early morning today at Pune :-) | 08:39 | |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 30 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| gibi | hi! I will be your host today | 14:00 |
| tssurya_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| gmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| efried | \o | 14:01 |
| stephenfin | o/ | 14:01 |
| ttsiouts | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:01 |
| gibi | let's start | 14:02 |
| gibi | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| gibi | #topic release news | 14:02 |
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| gibi | #link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
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| gibi | #info Next week (December 7) is the q-2 milestone | 14:02 |
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| gibi | #info Blueprints: 51 targeted, 51 approved, 9 complete (7 completed since the last meeting) | 14:02 |
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| gibi | is there anything to discuss about the milestone? | 14:03 |
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| gibi | OK, moving forward | 14:03 |
| gibi | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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| gibi | I don't see any critical bugs on launchpad | 14:04 |
| gibi | #info 28 new untriaged bugs (up 6 from two weeks ago) | 14:04 |
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| gibi | the health of the gate looks good #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:05 |
| gibi | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:05 |
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| gibi | I don't see any major problem there | 14:05 |
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| gibi | #topic Reminders | 14:06 |
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| gibi | There is an ML thread discussing the PTG format | 14:06 |
| gibi | #link ML thread on the Rocky PTG format: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124898.html | 14:06 |
| gmann | gibi: yea, old format more better and seems like majority on that. | 14:07 |
| gibi | gmann: yeah, I had the same feeling when I read the thread | 14:07 |
| gibi | anyhow it is the good time to express opinions and send in ideas | 14:08 |
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| gibi | #topic Stable branch status | 14:08 |
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| gibi | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:08 |
| gibi | #link Etherpad for bugs tracked for Pike backports: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-bug-fix-backports | 14:08 |
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| gibi | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:09 |
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| gibi | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:09 |
| gibi | any question about the stable branches? | 14:09 |
| gibi | It seems we still want to land some fix on newton before the EOL | 14:09 |
| cdent | which is when? | 14:09 |
| gibi | cdent: which is already happened in other projects I think | 14:10 |
| gibi | I don't know if we have a hard deadline to tag EOL | 14:10 |
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| gmann | seems like not yet as far as i know | 14:11 |
| gibi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ shows EOL 11th of October | 14:11 |
| edmondsw | I believe mriedem wanted to mark it EOL ASAP, just had to wait for a couple things to land | 14:12 |
| gibi | cdent: I guess we have to ask somebody more familiar with the stable releases | 14:12 |
| gibi | edmondsw: that is my view as well | 14:12 |
| gibi | anyhow moving forward | 14:13 |
| gibi | #topic Subteam Highlights | 14:13 |
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| gibi | dansmith: any news from the cells meeting? | 14:13 |
| mriedem | early for him, | 14:13 |
| mriedem | we mostly talked about the patch to page over migrations in the api and it's multi-cell implications | 14:14 |
| * cdent hopes dansmith put away his grenade | 14:14 | |
| mriedem | and started an etherpad (link in the ML) about cells v1 to v2 migration notes | 14:14 |
| mriedem | that's it | 14:14 |
| * edleafe hopes dansmith put the pin back first | 14:14 | |
| gibi | mriedem: thanks | 14:14 |
| * gibi is sorry for the early ping on dansmith | 14:15 | |
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| gibi | edleafe: any scheduler news? | 14:15 |
| edleafe | yep | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Noted the the nested resource provider series was showing signs of maturity | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Alternate host series is also ripe | 14:15 |
| edleafe | that's it | 14:15 |
| efried | Regarding the review push (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124909.html) -- Several patches have merged. Thanks to gibi bauzas cdent jaypipes takashin tetsuro and others for jumping on that. Let's keep the momentum going so we're not stuck in the mud when everybody disappears in a couple weeks. | 14:15 |
| edleafe | cdent concurred a lot | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Declared that this is officially "push this shit" week | 14:15 |
| edleafe | So maybe remove the -2 hold on https://review.openstack.org/499239 so the bottom patches can merge, and put it on where the RPC call changes? | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i don't think we're ready for that until we're comfortable with the changes in conductor | 14:16 |
| edleafe | mriedem: I'm not following. | 14:17 |
| edleafe | The earlier patches don't affect conductor | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i don't really have time to get into details right now | 14:17 |
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| gibi | let's discuss that then later on #openstack-nova | 14:18 |
| gibi | next subteam is API | 14:18 |
| gibi | alex_xu, sdague: any news? | 14:18 |
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| gmann | gibi: no meeting yesterday | 14:19 |
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| gmann | no updates on API side as such | 14:19 |
| gibi | OK | 14:19 |
| gibi | thanks | 14:19 |
| gibi | next is notifications | 14:19 |
| gibi | that is me | 14:19 |
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| gibi | only one news | 14:19 |
| gibi | the main patch for the bp service-create-destroy-notification has been merged | 14:20 |
| gibi | there is one followup fixing nits | 14:20 |
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| gibi | OK, Next is Cinder | 14:20 |
| gibi | mriedem left a the note #help Need reviews on Cinder v3 attach patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330285 | 14:20 |
| ildikov | yep, pretty please | 14:21 |
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| ildikov | in theory all the issues are fixed that we've found with that flow so far | 14:21 |
| ildikov | the patch is large because of the tests | 14:21 |
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| ildikov | the code change is rather small, and I'm happy to chat with anyone who has questions | 14:22 |
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| gibi | ildikov: thanks | 14:22 |
| ildikov | there's also a multi-attach related patch on top of it with a libvirt change | 14:22 |
| * ildikov would love to get to that one soon :) | 14:22 | |
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| gibi | OK, moving forward | 14:22 |
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| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:22 |
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| gibi | nothing on the agenda | 14:23 |
| gibi | does anybody has any stuck review to mention? | 14:23 |
| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 14:24 |
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| gmann | not urgent but i have 1 | 14:24 |
| gmann | will be happy to get review on novaclient zuulv3 job migration - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500347/12 | 14:24 |
| stephenfin | oh, I've a couple of those for nova too | 14:24 |
| gibi | gmann: is this the correct link? | 14:24 |
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| gmann | ops | 14:24 |
| gmann | opps | 14:24 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulv3-novaclient | 14:24 |
| gmann | ^^ this one | 14:24 |
| stephenfin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:zuulv3-jobs | 14:25 |
| stephenfin | that's the equivalent for nova | 14:25 |
| stephenfin | gmann: I'll take a look at the novaclient ones but I'm no pro here. sdague might be better? | 14:25 |
| * gibi opened the links as well now | 14:26 | |
| gmann | stephenfin: thanks | 14:26 |
| gibi | cool, anything else? | 14:26 |
| claudiub | o/ | 14:26 |
| efried | Meant to mention the alternate hosts series under "stuck reviews". That's been wedged for a while. We ought to come up with a hard time for the key players to get together and hammer out the remaining issues to get it moving. | 14:26 |
| claudiub | I have an item for open discussion as well. | 14:27 |
| efried | especially since it's a key priority for Q | 14:27 |
| gibi | efried: I guess the next push this stuff week can be for alternate hosts | 14:27 |
| gibi | as it worked for nested r-p | 14:27 |
| efried | ..."is working" <= ftfy | 14:27 |
| efried | we ain't done yet. | 14:28 |
| cdent | miles to go before we sleep | 14:28 |
| gibi | yeah, it is just my bad English | 14:28 |
| * efried cedes the floor te claudiub | 14:28 | |
| gibi | claudiub: go ahead | 14:28 |
| claudiub | \o/ | 14:28 |
| claudiub | So, I've been fixing the mock autospec usage in nova. There were quite a few issues that I've found. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447505 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470775 | 14:28 |
| claudiub | And also, I've enabled by default mock.patch with autospec. meaning that pretty much every mock.patch'ed method is autospeced, unless specified otherwise | 14:29 |
| claudiub | anyways, the main issue is that there are a couple of bugs with mock autospec, which i've "patched" in the links above | 14:29 |
| claudiub | primarely this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447505/27/nova/tests/fixtures.py | 14:30 |
| gibi | claudiub: so eventually these patches will go away when the mock lib fixes the problem internally? | 14:30 |
| claudiub | ofc, I've sent bug reports and bug fixes to the mock library, and upstream python, since mock became a native library in py3, but they haven't merged | 14:31 |
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| claudiub | gibi: the mock fixes i've done in those patches, yes. they're temporary. the rest of the fixes are good. | 14:31 |
| gibi | claudiub: OK | 14:32 |
| claudiub | but I don't know what are the chances of my bug fixes being merged in the mock library | 14:32 |
| claudiub | the last patch merged in mock was 1 year ago. | 14:32 |
| gibi | I have never sent fixes python upstream so I don't have experience how reactive they are | 14:32 |
| cdent | stdlib is where modules go to freeze | 14:33 |
| edmondsw | claudiub should you split these patches into a) things that could merge now and b) things that can't? | 14:33 |
| claudiub | anyways. I would like to know if there's any chance we're going to merge these, or not. :D | 14:33 |
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| stephenfin | claudiub: I was avoiding them because they were marked WIP | 14:33 |
| stephenfin | If that's not the case, I can take a shot next week | 14:34 |
| claudiub | edmondsw: well, IMO, we could merge them as is. | 14:34 |
| edmondsw | claudiub oh, ok... then remove "POC" ? | 14:34 |
| claudiub | stephenfin: well, yeah. because until recently tests were still failing on them | 14:34 |
| claudiub | edmondsw: sure. will do, it was pretty experimental, and I had no idea if I could get it to work properly, which is why it was POC. :D | 14:35 |
| claudiub | and also, IMO, something like this could be used in other openstack projects. | 14:35 |
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| gibi | So I think there is a way forward | 14:35 |
| claudiub | I was thinking if the mock related "fixes" should be merged in oslotest, or something | 14:35 |
| efried | Agree proper autospeccing is useful in general | 14:35 |
| claudiub | otherwise, I'd have to send the same fixes to other projects, meaning duplicate code. | 14:36 |
| claudiub | not a problem in my perspective, but eh. just a thought. | 14:36 |
| gibi | claudiub: if it would be the _same_ patch then lets move it to a common place | 14:36 |
| claudiub | sure. oslotest? | 14:37 |
| gibi | I guess that would make the nova patch smaller | 14:37 |
| claudiub | indeed | 14:37 |
| gibi | I think oslotest is a good target | 14:37 |
| claudiub | cool. | 14:37 |
| * cdent concurs | 14:37 | |
| gibi | OK, anything else to discuss? | 14:37 |
| claudiub | well then, I'll also send a bug report regarding this, and update the patches accordingly. | 14:37 |
| gibi | claudiub: thanks | 14:38 |
| claudiub | ty as well. | 14:38 |
| efried | Thanks for sticking with this claudiub -- this is a good thing. | 14:38 |
| claudiub | until then, if you have some feedback on them, it'd greatly appreciate it. :D | 14:38 |
| claudiub | efried: np. :) | 14:38 |
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| gibi | If nothing else then let's close this meeting | 14:38 |
| claudiub | we could also create a general unit test guide - to make sure autospec is used as often as possible. | 14:39 |
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| gibi | claudiub: good idea | 14:39 |
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| gibi | Ok, let's close this. thanks for the meeting | 14:39 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 30 14:39:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-30-14.00.html | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-30-14.00.txt | 14:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-11-30-14.00.log.html | 14:39 |
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| cdent | thanks gibi | 14:42 |
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| ianw | #startmeeting diskimage-builder | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 30 20:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diskimage_builder' | 20:00 |
| ianw | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/diskimage-builder | 20:01 |
| ianw | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
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| ianw | The gate seems as stable as usual after a short period of issues after we tied up the repos from fallback | 20:02 |
| ianw | I'm still working on full zuulv3-ification of the func tests | 20:03 |
| ianw | basics are there, but i'd really like to split up the log files for each test | 20:04 |
| ianw | #topic Action items from previous meeting | 20:05 |
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| ianw | it's been a while, with a two week alternating cadence, summit and no meetings | 20:06 |
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| ianw | #topic s390x support for DIB | 20:07 |
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| ianw | this started out worring with magic unlicensed perl but in it's current state is simply a bootloader type element that uses the environment variables exposed by dib-block-device | 20:08 |
| clarkb | is this what the third party ci is testing as well? | 20:09 |
| ianw | it's suggested that s390 3rd party ci could start reporting on dib | 20:10 |
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| ianw | we either have to reject this and say it should live outside, or accept it. per my comments in the review, i think after the changes it's now fine, and with no other comments i think it's time to merge | 20:12 |
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| ianw | and done | 20:13 |
| ianw | Revert "Fix #1627402: fix grub2 element for ubuntu xenial" | 20:14 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/524019 | 20:14 |
| ianw | clearly this is not used very much, but we did have inc0 come in and notice the same thing | 20:15 |
| ianw | grub2 is slightly different to the "bootloader" element as it install the efi elements. i don't know if that's intentional or just happenstance, the logs are unclear on the motivations | 20:17 |
| ianw | efi packages i mean | 20:18 |
| clarkb | there is also confusion around the baremetal element related to that | 20:18 |
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| ianw | so my thinking is to commit that, and at least restore to the last known "good" state, and if someone comes along wanting to modify it again we'll be in a better position to insist on some morme thorough review | 20:20 |
| ianw | Fix /dev/pts mount options handling | 20:20 |
| clarkb | ianw: sounds good to me | 20:20 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522654/ | 20:20 |
| ianw | this is all a mess | 20:21 |
| ianw | it seems dib is the only tool in this space having to do all this magic which makes me very worried, and this is the 3rd or 4th fix up patch | 20:21 |
| ianw | the whole thing started in cebfcf85f9034522a6521c40e1ae9c6d559f585f "Use -t devpts for /dev/pts mounts" | 20:23 |
| ianw | It was observed that the /dev/pts mount vanishes from the host system. | 20:24 |
| ianw | when running in parallel | 20:24 |
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| ianw | i guess we'll go with this for now, but any more problems and i think i'm going to insist we just go back to a --bind mount | 20:27 |
| ianw | because, if it's the same kernel issue that makes the /dev/pts points disappear underneath the bind mounts (which i suspect it is) then i will just say "we don't support parallel building on these kernels" | 20:28 |
| ianw | block-device lvm: fix umount phase | 20:30 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/503958 | 20:30 |
| ianw | i need to review this, no comments at this point | 20:30 |
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| ianw | Update Fedora defaults to 27 | 20:32 |
| ianw | https://review.openstack.org/521684 | 20:32 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/521684 | 20:32 |
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| ianw | slight WIP -- i need to add the f27 mirrors, and as part of that i'll clear out f25 remnants | 20:32 |
| ianw | however, i had a f27 + infra elements built and working in local cloud so that should be good. it remains a good target for python3.6 unit testing | 20:33 |
| ianw | that will be the last thing i'd like in before a release | 20:34 |
| ianw | ergo i imagine a release early next week | 20:34 |
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| clarkb | cool | 20:38 |
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| ianw | ok, that's about it for the monthly clear out, till next time ... | 20:39 |
| ianw | #endmeeting | 20:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 30 20:39:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2017/diskimage_builder.2017-11-30-20.00.html | 20:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2017/diskimage_builder.2017-11-30-20.00.txt | 20:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2017/diskimage_builder.2017-11-30-20.00.log.html | 20:39 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 30 22:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
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| mlavalle | hi there! | 22:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 22:01 |
| boden | howdy | 22:01 |
| oanson | Hi | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | armax: ping | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: ping | 22:02 |
| armax | hi | 22:02 |
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| mlavalle | let's wait one or two minutes for ihrachys and / or amotoki | 22:04 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | sorry folks :) | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | was too excited reading some code | 22:04 |
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| mlavalle | ihrachys: that's good :-) welcome | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | list of RFEs to discuss today are here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | last time we discussed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705755 | 22:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705755 in neutron "[RFE] Plugin support for API resource attribute extensions" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | and boden asked to join the meeting, so let's start there | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | boden: you want to start | 22:07 |
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| boden | I read through the logs from last weeks driver’s meeting, and I wasn’t really sure the problem was understood.. so earlier this week I tried to simplify the description in the bug report | 22:08 |
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| boden | anyone have a chance to pre-parse? | 22:08 |
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| armax | I have briefly | 22:09 |
| mlavalle | I did | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | just did | 22:10 |
| boden | from last weeks driver’s meeting, I didn’t really understand how neutron-lib came into the picture TBH | 22:10 |
| armax | boden: this is a problem that prevents something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516701/ from landing at the moment, no? | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | boden, neutron-lib is related in as much as it is a source of 'official' neutron apis that we can vouch/ask SDK/OSC folks to support. | 22:11 |
| boden | armax: appears that way | 22:11 |
| amotoki | hi sorry for late | 22:11 |
| armax | to me the clear example of bypassing this hurdle is to elevate extension attributes to 1st level resources | 22:11 |
| armax | and make extension attributes just read-only for resources that they are related to | 22:12 |
| armax | unfortunately this is not an approach that would work on existing APIs | 22:12 |
| armax | but new APIs should be designed with that principle in mind | 22:12 |
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| armax | if I bring the trunk API as an example, integrating it with OSC didn’t require any extra support from OSC or the OSC SDK | 22:13 |
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| armax | if I understand boden’s problem the issue stems solely from extension attributes to core resources whose OSC support is directly in the OSC repos | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | ok. let's say you add data_plane_status to a port. you won't have a separate resource will you? | 22:14 |
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| boden | armax: I beleive you understand correctly | 22:14 |
| armax | ihrachys: you could, it just looks clunky | 22:15 |
| armax | boden: ack, thanks | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | armax, but afaiu you can't specify an attribute value for an unknown attribute in OSC | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | you can in neutronclient though | 22:16 |
| armax | yeah | 22:16 |
| armax | but that’s because the client just pass that along to the server | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | right. but it works. | 22:17 |
| armax | while OSC drops unknown attributes right? | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | yea | 22:17 |
| armax | sure, sure. | 22:17 |
| amotoki | OSC only processes known options | 22:17 |
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| ihrachys | so what OSC folks tell us is they are not flexible in terms of how we implement our api when they need to then support it. Mike specifically mentions micro-versions in the gerrit link posted above | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516701/ | 22:18 |
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| ihrachys | well, he makes an argument that dns should be in core. | 22:18 |
| armax | so I think for that one, where my review is due, we should unblock it to grant it some sort of exception to the rule | 22:19 |
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| armax | as for other extension attributes, like vendor ones that may be unknown to us to, we clearly need to come up with a solution | 22:19 |
| armax | if there was a way to enable OSC to be able to parse something like --extension-attr key=value —extension-attr key=value | 22:20 |
| armax | that might solve the jam | 22:20 |
| armax | not sure if it was discussed | 22:20 |
| mlavalle | no haven't discussed that here | 22:20 |
| ihrachys | for vendor attributes, I think we should gather answers to Akihiro's question: "What will vendor API extensions want to do then [when support for unofficial extensions is killed]?" | 22:20 |
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| armax | it’s never gonna get killed, let’s be realistic, IMO | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | armax, it would unblock but not ideal. you have no indication of support in help text, or docs... | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | armax, I dunno, I never saw a list of actual things external to stadium | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | could be it's not big / can be upstreamed | 22:22 |
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| boden | armax: I’m not sure just the ability to pass extera kwargs is enough.. perhaps it’s part of the solution, but there’s still no way to extend existing OSC commands (like sec group create) | 22:23 |
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| armax | boden: to do what? | 22:23 |
| armax | to quote your example | 22:24 |
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| armax | neutron security-group-create --logging=blah | 22:24 |
| boden | armax: see #b2 and #b3 from the rfe | 22:24 |
| armax | one could do osc security group create —extension-attr logging=blah | 22:24 |
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| boden | you still need the sec group command to do its thing, you just want to add some logic atop it | 22:25 |
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| mlavalle | it's similar to what we have with neutron client | 22:25 |
| amotoki | in this case, we need an extra hook point to convert --extension-attr key=value to a propose data type and populate it into a req body | 22:25 |
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| armax | that logic would just involve to passthrough the extra argument, but the more talk about this the more I don’t like it | 22:25 |
| armax | and I am sure the OSC team wouldn’t like it either | 22:26 |
| amotoki | openstacksdk team either | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | no, they won't like it | 22:26 |
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| ihrachys | maybe if they have even worse (in their mind) alternatives, they can bend | 22:28 |
| mlavalle | lol | 22:28 |
| armax | I think there’s no alternative on the table | 22:28 |
| armax | the problem affects the core resources alone, right? | 22:30 |
| armax | we should probably spell it out in capital cases on the bug description | 22:30 |
| armax | no? | 22:30 |
| amotoki | what do you mean by 'core resources'? (network, subnet, port only?) | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | btw do OSC folks realize that they already support non-core APIs? I read maybe no from what Mike wrote: " In the OSC experience, I just want the feature set to be supported. I would like to first see neutron supporting this in their core api first." | 22:31 |
| armax | core resources == resources whose OSC support is in the OSC repos | 22:31 |
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| amotoki | As far as I can tell, OSC team considers API defined in neutorn-lib as official networking API | 22:32 |
| armax | ihrachys: I think the confusion stems from the fact that non-core APIs OSC plugin contributions never get seen by the OSC teams | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | ok. but then dns is there too, so why the patch abandoned? | 22:32 |
| armax | like bgpvpn, trunk, dynamicrouting, etc | 22:32 |
| armax | ihrachys: at the PTG we talked about it | 22:33 |
| armax | and said that DNS is likely gonna get an exception | 22:33 |
| armax | to the rule | 22:33 |
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| armax | if we kept the neutronclient for these usecases, how would the user experience look like? | 22:35 |
| mlavalle | meaning forever? | 22:36 |
| armax | how could that change to keep a good demarcation from the experience of using the OSC? | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | but is the longer term, isn't this also related, as amotoki points out in the RFE, to the future of extensions in openstack in general? | 22:38 |
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| mlavalle | if we are going to move away from extensions at some point in time, maybe the plan for this issue is to maintain neutron client up to that point | 22:39 |
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| mlavalle | no? | 22:39 |
| boden | wouldn’t a “unified” networking API take into considerations of extensions as well? or we’re just saying too bad for them and all the users they bring | 22:39 |
| armax | I can’t see us ever moving away from extensions, but that’s my opinion | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | I know I am not saying that | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | boden: in the short term you are happy if we maintain neutron client, right? | 22:41 |
| boden | mlavalle: yes | 22:41 |
| boden | but also need those extra kwargs it supports | 22:42 |
| boden | so we can’t drop support for those | 22:42 |
| mlavalle | understood | 22:42 |
| armax | I think there was never a threat to pull the rug from neutronclient without a completed transition strategy to OSC | 22:42 |
| amotoki | "unified" and "free to extend" are different in my opinion. If we allow to extend API freely, it is not a "unified" API. it is just an "unified" API endpoint | 22:42 |
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| boden | amotoki: yes.. unified I was thinking is a single API, but I was saying the construction of building that API, its resources, what it supports, etc. would consider extensions | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | sso why don't we decide today that we are not going to remove neutron client until we find a plan / solution to the extensions / unified api coonundrum | 22:43 |
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| mlavalle | ? | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | right. you can bring even more users if you expose (I assume) useful api to everyone, and with guarantees of cross-compatibility | 22:44 |
| armax | mlavalle: we never have decided to remove and we are not going to remove the client | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | boden: does that help? | 22:44 |
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| armax | if we can’t reply on the OSC CLI to address extension attributes | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | rely^^^ | 22:44 |
| armax | mlavalle: thanks | 22:45 |
| boden | mlavalle: yes, sounds like a fun longer term topic | 22:45 |
| armax | then the path forward is to envision how the neutronclient experience can change | 22:45 |
| armax | to embrace the use case of addressing the need of passing attribute extensions | 22:45 |
| armax | or extension attributes, I shall say | 22:45 |
| mlavalle | so I think we have a short term decision, keeping support for neutronclient with the extra kwargs | 22:46 |
| mlavalle | and then we have a longer term decision that involves the future of extensions and a unified API | 22:47 |
| armax | but the decision was already made when we kept the deprecation of the client open ended | 22:47 |
| armax | the short term decision that is | 22:47 |
| mlavalle | mhhhh, but I think that part of boden's concern is the deprecation message that users get | 22:48 |
| mlavalle | right? | 22:48 |
| armax | the longer term decision is also sorta made IMO | 22:48 |
| boden | mlavalle, I think we are OK with it for now | 22:48 |
| armax | mlavalle: correct, and my suggestion at the time was not to drop the message but rephrase it | 22:48 |
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| boden | whatever works :) as long as the client’s supported | 22:49 |
| armax | if we think about this RFE as ‘how the neutronclient can change to address the extension use case' | 22:49 |
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| armax | then I could ensivision a use case where | 22:49 |
| armax | the neutronclient is stripped down bare bone and only capable of accepting requests that involve extension attributes | 22:50 |
| armax | and we could even rename it to be openstack-net-ext | 22:50 |
| armax | to signal that the neutron client itself is gone | 22:51 |
| armax | crazy thought, I know | 22:51 |
| armax | just tossing it out there | 22:51 |
| mlavalle | ok, we would need to flesh this out | 22:52 |
| mlavalle | in the meantime, we have a path forward | 22:52 |
| armax | at least with this demarcation is clear which tool is for what | 22:52 |
| mlavalle | do we all agree? | 22:52 |
| amotoki | in that case, it might be better to have more structure extra argument support though | 22:52 |
| armax | and if a user attempts to use openstack-net-ext to create a resource without extension, the client would barf at the user | 22:52 |
| boden | mlavalle: +1 | 22:53 |
| armax | the drawback to this is that we’ll have to maintain parts of the neutronclient indefinitely when we had hoped we were going to get rid of it | 22:53 |
| armax | but the maintainance cost has been pretty minimal in a while | 22:53 |
| armax | ameade: totally | 22:53 |
| armax | amotoki: totally | 22:53 |
| armax | ameade: sorry | 22:53 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on then | 22:54 |
| amotoki | note that one big problem on attribute extension by vender extension is we cannot avoid name conflicts. if someone adds an extension in the neutron official API which has the same name as an attribute by vendor ext, there is no way to address it. | 22:55 |
| amotoki | this is just a note. | 22:55 |
| armax | amotoki: yup | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | noted, thanks | 22:55 |
| armax | namespacing is an issue with OSC too | 22:56 |
| amotoki | yes. at now OSC is testing namespaces by loading all osc plugins... it is a bit hacky | 22:56 |
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| mlavalle | ok, we are left with only 3 minutes. so probable we won't be able to go through the next RFE | 22:57 |
| mlavalle | let's return a whopping 3 minutes to our agendas | 22:57 |
| mlavalle | thanks for attending | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:58 |
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| mlavalle | remember that next time our meeting is on Friday at 1400utc | 22:58 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 30 22:58:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-30-22.00.html | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-30-22.00.txt | 22:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-11-30-22.00.log.html | 22:58 |
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