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| zhiyuan_ | hi | 00:58 |
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| xuzhuang_ | hi | 00:58 |
| Yipei | hi | 00:58 |
| joehuang | hello | 00:59 |
| song | hi | 00:59 |
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| zhiyuan_ | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 01:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
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| zhiyuan_ | the patch for distinguishing request source has been merged, so it's time for us to move on and finish the resource deletion reliability feature | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan_ | the spec for that feature is submitted and under review, what about the implementation? | 01:02 |
| song | the code have finished, i need to test it. | 01:02 |
| song | after the test i pull it. | 01:02 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok, thanks song | 01:04 |
| song | you are welcome. | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan_ | xuzhuang, have you read the spec? any comment? since you are going to finish the security group deletion part | 01:06 |
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| xuzhuang_ | yes, I have readed and gived some comment | 01:06 |
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| xuzhuang_ | I think the workload of deleting sg is not much. It's better to write the first version of code and test it. | 01:08 |
| xuzhuang_ | Now I need the api the deleting_resource, I will complete the first version of code as soon as possible after son has pushed. | 01:10 |
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| zhiyuan_ | yes, you can download his code via "git review -d ID" and start from his code | 01:11 |
| xuzhuang_ | ok | 01:11 |
| song | yes, I can give you my code. | 01:11 |
| zhiyuan_ | ID is the number you can see in the review page link | 01:12 |
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| xuzhuang_ | Got it | 01:12 |
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| joehuang | or you can get the code from the upper right link (download) of the patch | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan_ | joe, will this way also keep the commit history? | 01:15 |
| zhiyuan_ | or just download the patch files | 01:15 |
| joehuang | just download files | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan_ | ic | 01:17 |
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| xuzhuang_ | Got it | 01:17 |
| joehuang | there are several links: checkout, pull, cherry pick, I did not try all of them, may be check out can keep the git commit history | 01:18 |
| zhiyuan_ | xuzhuang, you can have a try :) | 01:18 |
| xuzhuang_ | yeah | 01:19 |
| zhiyuan_ | next, new cross-neutron l3 networking model, Yipei, have time to investigate it? | 01:19 |
| Yipei | i have already finished my own business | 01:20 |
| Yipei | already working on it | 01:20 |
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| zhiyuan_ | have risk? we have about one month for the last milestone | 01:22 |
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| Yipei | i think it is difficult to finish the implementation before the last milestone. but it will try my best, and need you guys' help | 01:26 |
| song | the next openstack is q, i know it is about in next year 2.28. that is right? | 01:26 |
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| zhiyuan_ | Yipei, fine, I can support you | 01:27 |
| Yipei | ok, thanks a lot, zhiyuan | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan_ | the final release for Q is from Feb26th to Mar2nd | 01:29 |
| song | thanks zhiyuan .out project milestone is early than it? | 01:30 |
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| song | can we can start the new milestone after the next month? | 01:31 |
| zhiyuan_ | we follow the openstack schedule, have three milestones, RC1 and the final RC | 01:31 |
| zhiyuan_ | here is the schedule: https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 01:32 |
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| song | oh thanks. | 01:32 |
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| zhiyuan_ | so far for the progress update, any other topics? | 01:33 |
| song | no for me. | 01:34 |
| xuzhuang_ | no for me | 01:34 |
| Yipei | no from me | 01:35 |
| zhiyuan_ | then we just finish our meeting a bit earlier, thanks for attending | 01:35 |
| zhiyuan_ | #endmeeting | 01:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 01:35:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-12-20-01.00.html | 01:35 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 04:31:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:31 |
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| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:31 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, hi | 04:31 |
| phuoc_ | o/ | 04:31 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:31 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, hi | 04:31 |
| phuoc_ | hi mr.Gongysh | 04:32 |
| joxyuki | hi | 04:32 |
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| phuoc_ | hi joxyuki | 04:32 |
| diga | o/ | 04:32 |
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| gongysh | tbh, YanXing_an , hi | 04:34 |
| YanXing_an | hi | 04:34 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:34 |
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| gongysh | phuoc_, do you have any update for your bps? | 04:34 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I am starting in implementation | 04:35 |
| phuoc_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529116/ | 04:35 |
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| phuoc_ | if you guys have time, please give me feed back in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529116/1/tacker/vnfm/infra_drivers/kubernetes/k8s/translate_inputs.py | 04:35 |
| phuoc_ | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529116/1/tacker/tosca/lib/tacker_defs.yaml | 04:36 |
| phuoc_ | I will update the other, and document for this patch soon | 04:36 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, nice progress | 04:37 |
| phuoc_ | thanks | 04:38 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529116/1/samples/tosca-templates/vnfd/tosca-vnfd-containerized.yaml | 04:38 |
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| gongysh | it seems there are difference between vnfds for openstack and k8s | 04:38 |
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| phuoc_ | gongysh, I follow http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/tosca-nfv/v1.0/csd04/tosca-nfv-v1.0-csd04.html#_Toc482896065 | 04:39 |
| phuoc_ | they define new type: tosca.datatypes.nfv.VnfcConfigurableProperties | 04:40 |
| phuoc_ | so, I try to match to new definition in TOSCA | 04:41 |
| gongysh | tbh, hi | 04:41 |
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| gongysh | ok, I will have a look at. | 04:43 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, could you have a look at it too? | 04:44 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sure. | 04:44 |
| gongysh | thanks | 04:44 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, do you have other bps during the cycle? | 04:45 |
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| phuoc_ | no, I don't | 04:45 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:45 |
| gongysh | diga, could you please talk about the API bp? | 04:45 |
| phuoc_ | I and mardim will implement vnffg update | 04:46 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, yes, thanks | 04:46 |
| phuoc_ | thank gongysh and dkushwaha | 04:47 |
| diga | gongysh: okay | 04:47 |
| gongysh | ok, please | 04:47 |
| diga | gongysh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/520495/ | 04:47 |
| diga | hello everyone | 04:47 |
| diga | current approach I have taken using the falcon framework | 04:48 |
| phuoc_ | hi diga :) | 04:48 |
| diga | I see we need only one dependancy now which falcon module | 04:48 |
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| diga | which is also part of openstack requirement | 04:48 |
| diga | so we don't have to ask for approval for openstack requirement team | 04:48 |
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| diga | which is already exist there | 04:49 |
| gongysh | Which frameworks are in use in Mitaka: | 04:49 |
| gongysh | Falcon: 4 projects | 04:49 |
| gongysh | Custom + routes: 12 projects | 04:49 |
| gongysh | Pecan: 12 projects | 04:49 |
| gongysh | Flask: 2 projects | 04:49 |
| gongysh | web.py: 1 project | 04:49 |
| diga | AS this is first patch as part of this developmenet | 04:49 |
| gongysh | this is from https://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/06/openstack-developer-mailing-list-digest-20160624/ | 04:49 |
| diga | yes gongysh | 04:49 |
| gongysh | so we will use falcon anyway. | 04:49 |
| gongysh | that's fine. | 04:49 |
| diga | gongysh: yeah | 04:50 |
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| diga | currently zuul is failing because falcon feature branch is too old, so I am working with infra team to rebase the feature branch with master branch | 04:50 |
| diga | I hope this issue will get resolved by today/tomorrow | 04:50 |
| phuoc_ | diga, that's good | 04:51 |
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| gongysh | diga, we will wait for you and let the API improvement go smoothly and fast. | 04:51 |
| diga | once we merge the first patch, my next target is to implement one after one api of tacker into falcon framework | 04:51 |
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| diga | gongysh: yes, sure | 04:51 |
| gongysh | diga, thanks | 04:52 |
| diga | gongysh: I understand that this is long term pending thing but anyway I am targetting this for queens release | 04:52 |
| gongysh | diga, I remember that your team help with tacker openstack command | 04:52 |
| diga | lets see how far we go on this if nothing major comes on the road | 04:52 |
| diga | gongysh: yes, but I have now only one person working on tacker | 04:53 |
| diga | currently kapil_ is working on solving bugs | 04:53 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:53 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, do you have any updates on bps? | 04:54 |
| diga | I am giving him enough time to solve the bugs first, then I am thinking to involve him in the tacker api framework | 04:54 |
| diga | because i see so much work involved in this feature | 04:54 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, not for now. | 04:54 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:54 |
| gongysh | YanXingAn, do you have any to say for your bps? | 04:55 |
| gongysh | ok, seems YanXingAn is still at their company meeting. | 04:56 |
| gongysh | #topic bug | 04:56 |
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| gongysh | first bug is about CI system | 04:56 |
| gongysh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1739342 | 04:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1739342 in tacker "tacker ci does not support tls_proxy service enabled" [High,In progress] - Assigned to yong sheng gong (gongysh) | 04:56 |
| gongysh | it seems our tacker CI job does not support tls proxy | 04:57 |
| gongysh | I have an quick fix to disable the tls proxy first. | 04:57 |
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| gongysh | and need some time to investigate how we support tls proxy. | 04:57 |
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| phuoc_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1719841 | 04:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1719841 in tacker "vim configuration does not allow the INSECURE property" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Taseer Ahmed (taseer94) | 04:57 |
| phuoc_ | I see many people meet that bug | 04:58 |
| gongysh | ok, let fix it in that bug | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | https://launchpad.net/~taseer94 | 04:59 |
| gongysh | he is not active, then I will try to fix it. | 05:00 |
| gongysh | who knows Taseer Ahmed (taseer94) ? | 05:00 |
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| phuoc_ | he is from opnfv-sfc project | 05:01 |
| gongysh | ok | 05:01 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, do you have any other bug to talk? | 05:02 |
| gongysh | to discuss | 05:02 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, not worked in that part in last week. | 05:02 |
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| gongysh | ok, if you have time, please keep an eye on the bug reports. | 05:03 |
| gongysh | #topic open dicusssion | 05:03 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, sure, will do. | 05:03 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, i have some points to discuss regarding heat stack | 05:04 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, sure, please | 05:04 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, we are doing some PoC regarding resource reservation in Tacker | 05:05 |
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| gongysh | en | 05:05 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, so we are integrating Tacker-Blazor for that | 05:05 |
| phuoc_ | dkushwaha, that sounds good | 05:06 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, in some cases we needs to update the heat stack, but as of now we can not update heat stack in vnf-update operation | 05:06 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, i want to know the approach how we can update it? | 05:07 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, what do you mean the resource reservation related to heat stack. | 05:08 |
| gongysh | do you have devise a way to do it in pure heat environment? | 05:08 |
| gongysh | can you paste tacker-blazor url here too? | 05:09 |
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| phuoc_ | dkushawaha, I think we can call e.g. heat stack update to update vnf | 05:10 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, i am not sure, i can paste link here, as it private for now, but my team started drafting spec for that | 05:10 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, to do it, the steps are: first devise a way to do in pure heat way, and then do integration on tacker. maybe we need to update tacker codes to do it. | 05:12 |
| joxyuki | hi all, I am working tacker-blazar with dkushwaha. | 05:14 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, once a vnf deployed, we create reservation in blazor side, and then needs to update vnf with that reservation data. which requires update | 05:14 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, could you please explain | 05:14 |
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| joxyuki | yes, to create a VM using reserved resource, heat stack need to know reservation-id in HOT. | 05:15 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, that's good. | 05:16 |
| joxyuki | gongysh, what do you mean "device" exactly? | 05:16 |
| gongysh | device is old term for vnf? | 05:16 |
| gongysh | device is old term for vnf. | 05:17 |
| joxyuki | i see, thax | 05:17 |
| joxyuki | thanks | 05:17 |
| gongysh | previously, tacker is service vm manager. | 05:17 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, so you seq is: vnfm -> nfvo: reserve resource | 05:18 |
| gongysh | vnfm -> instantiate vnf with reservation id. | 05:18 |
| joxyuki | gyngysh, no. | 05:19 |
| dkushwaha | joxyuki, sorry for interrupting, but i think you interpreting "devise" as "device" | 05:20 |
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| joxyuki | 1) user-> tacker: vnf-create, 2) user -> blazar: reservation, 3) user->tacker: input reservation-id | 05:21 |
| joxyuki | yes, devise -> device | 05:21 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, 1) user -> tacker: vnf-create will create vms on target openstack, why do you still need to do 2)? | 05:22 |
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| gongysh | I think the sequence is to be: a) user -> blazar: reservation b) user-> tacker: vnf-create with reservation-id | 05:23 |
| joxyuki | gongysh, could you see https://youtu.be/a1loFExpjb0 ? this is our use case. | 05:24 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, ok, I will have a look | 05:25 |
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| joxyuki | gongysh, this is a use case need reservation for short term events such as sports match. | 05:25 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, glad to know your team is trying to use tacker. | 05:25 |
| gongysh | joxyuki, keep in touch at tacker channel | 05:27 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone | 05:27 |
| joxyuki | gongysh, yes, keep in touch. | 05:27 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 05:27:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-12-20-04.31.html | 05:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-12-20-04.31.txt | 05:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-12-20-04.31.log.html | 05:27 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 11:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Seasons greetings | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link there isn't an agenda as such https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_December_20th_2017 | 11:01 |
| armstrong | Thanks and same to you | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | Hey armstrong have you moved timezones? Thought you were in Canada... | 11:01 |
| armstrong | Yes I am still in Canada | 11:02 |
| armstrong | I missed the meeting yesterday | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Was it Ontario? | 11:03 |
| oneswig | OICR? | 11:03 |
| armstrong | I am in Montréal | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Have you completed your PhD? | 11:06 |
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| armstrong | No not yet | 11:06 |
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| oneswig | How's the research going? | 11:07 |
| armstrong | So far so good | 11:07 |
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| oneswig | It's on private cloud infrastructure, right? What are you looking at? | 11:08 |
| armstrong | Live migration | 11:08 |
| oneswig | Interesting. Live migration in research computing or more generally? | 11:09 |
| armstrong | Research computing | 11:09 |
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| oneswig | What are you finding so far? | 11:11 |
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| oneswig | Live migration doesn't come into the workloads I typically see, but certainly does come into the supporting components deployed around it - web APIs, house keeping activities, jenkins instances etc. | 11:15 |
| armstrong | Based on my last presentation @Sydney, I want to add different VMM, because so far only KVM and Xen were considered | 11:16 |
| oneswig | I hadn't seen this presentation - got a link to it? | 11:16 |
| armstrong | It’s in the link of the Tuesday’s presentation we had | 11:19 |
| oneswig | armstrong: what other VMM is there? | 11:19 |
| armstrong | VMware etc. | 11:19 |
| armstrong | There are five or so supported by OpenStack | 11:20 |
| oneswig | Ah OK, got it. | 11:20 |
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| oneswig | armstrong: are there findings you'd like to share some time in a Americas-timezone meeting? | 11:22 |
| armstrong | Ok | 11:23 |
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| oneswig | armstrong: if you're interested in doing that | 11:26 |
| armstrong | Sure oneswig, I am interested | 11:27 |
| oneswig | Let me know when you would like to do that, we can put it on the agenda. | 11:27 |
| armstrong | Ok good | 11:28 |
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| oneswig | I've been planning for 2018 to bring in some of the discussions that have been going on with the team at CERN, around developing OpenStack's support for research computing | 11:29 |
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| armstrong | That is interesting | 11:30 |
| armstrong | CERN uses OpenStack ? | 11:31 |
| oneswig | yes, quite a lot :-) | 11:31 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: I have a quick question when we get to the open discussion part :) | 11:31 |
| oneswig | ildikov: there are no other kinds of discussion today - we are taking it easy :-) | 11:32 |
| ildikov | oneswig: coolio :) | 11:32 |
| oneswig | fire away | 11:32 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: just wanted to ask whether the scientific SIG would be interested in occupying a few slots at the PTG ? | 11:33 |
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| oneswig | For development work? | 11:33 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: Technical discussions or even development work | 11:34 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: we're providing space for working groups/SIG at the beginning of the week and thought to ask whether there's interest from you guys | 11:35 |
| oneswig | I don't know how many active SIG members will be in Dublin but I'm assuming a few will be attending. From our firm, probably 3-4 (ie, half the company :-) | 11:35 |
| ildikov | :) | 11:36 |
| ildikov | Would you like to have dedicated slots or rather joining project discussions and other sessions? | 11:36 |
| oneswig | ildikov: can you explain the difference from the forum? | 11:37 |
| ildikov | oneswig: most of the attendees are developers and we're focusing on planning for the upcoming cycle and any other more technical discussions | 11:38 |
| oneswig | ildikov: it's hard to know. If the forum's about communicating needs and pain points, what input is needed at the PTG - more of the same? | 11:38 |
| ildikov | While the forum is more about gathering the user, operator and developer communities for feedback and a bit higher level chats | 11:39 |
| oneswig | My first thought is to sit in on project meetings rather than have dedicated slots, but that's going to be happening anyway. | 11:39 |
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| oneswig | ildikov: if there was a dedicate slot for the scientific sig, how would you like to see it used? | 11:40 |
| ildikov | PTG would be about to figure out how to address the pain points | 11:40 |
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| armstrong | IIdikov: when is the PTG coming up? | 11:40 |
| ildikov | oneswig: how to use it is on the group really | 11:41 |
| ildikov | oneswig: it's not a must rather than an offer to think about whether you can utilize it as a group | 11:41 |
| oneswig | ildikov: when do you need to know? | 11:42 |
| ildikov | oneswig: you can use to have discussions around some items you would like get addressed and have devs in the room as well | 11:42 |
| ildikov | oneswig: sooner rather than later, will ask my colleague who's organizing the slots | 11:43 |
| oneswig | I can imagine it being useful in various ways - agreed. I think it may come down to whether some of the key SIG members involved are planning to go to Dublin | 11:43 |
| ildikov | armstrong: it's the week of February 26th | 11:43 |
| ildikov | oneswig: yeah, it's definitely more useful if you have a reasonable coverage from the team | 11:44 |
| oneswig | I shall enquire... | 11:44 |
| armstrong | iIdikov: thanks, I will like to attend | 11:44 |
| ildikov | oneswig: there are also options to occupy a half day or a full, etc | 11:44 |
| ildikov | armstrong: awesome! | 11:44 |
| ildikov | armstrong: https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 11:45 |
| ildikov | armstrong: let me know if you have any questions | 11:46 |
| oneswig | half-day tops, I think. Can't expect anyone to listen for longer than that | 11:46 |
| armstrong | iIdikov: ok I will let you know. Thanks 😃 | 11:46 |
| ildikov | oneswig: ok, I will let Kendall know and will check back on deadlines | 11:47 |
| ildikov | oneswig: BTW, I will attend RCUK in January | 11:48 |
| oneswig | ildikov: and I'll ask around for likely attendees. I think if we have enough, there will be a critical mass. | 11:48 |
| oneswig | RCUK: excellent - are you presenting? | 11:48 |
| oneswig | I will be and I believe the Tuba Guy will be too :-) | 11:48 |
| oneswig | Or at least, taking part. | 11:48 |
| ildikov | oneswig: yep a short one on the Passport program and a bit on ORC | 11:49 |
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| oneswig | Oh nice. I'd be interested in the passport program | 11:49 |
| ildikov | oneswig: coolio | 11:49 |
| oneswig | Not seen a presentation on that yet | 11:49 |
| ildikov | oneswig: are you aware of any other happening that week in London that's OpenStack related? | 11:50 |
| ildikov | oneswig: I think there was on the Summit, will look for links when I'm back to my laptop | 11:50 |
| oneswig | Community events, no. But I think the London OpenStack is overdue another meetup, and I can nudge Darryl. | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Thanks ildikov - don't worry I think I can find it | 11:51 |
| oneswig | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/sydney-2017/wings-to-roam-any-cloud-join-the-openstack-global-passport-program-today | 11:52 |
| ildikov | oneswig: thanks | 11:52 |
| ildikov | oneswig: yep, that should be the one | 11:52 |
| oneswig | armstrong I looked for your summit presentation but didn't find it | 11:52 |
| armstrong | iIdikov: is the PTG a sponsored program? | 11:53 |
| armstrong | oneswig: really? | 11:53 |
| ildikov | armstrong: you whether the event itself is sponsored by companies? | 11:54 |
| armstrong | Immediately after I did the presentation, I submitted the link to the slides and works | 11:54 |
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| armstrong | iIdikov: yes is it sponsored by OpenStack | 11:55 |
| armstrong | ? | 11:55 |
| ildikov | armstrong: it is an OpenStack event organized by the Foundation | 11:55 |
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| armstrong | IIdikov: Ok thanks, I asked because I saw something like $100 registration at Eventbrite :) | 11:57 |
| ildikov | armstrong: yes, it has a registration fee | 11:58 |
| armstrong | oneswig: where you not in the hall on Tuesday? When we were presenting? I think I was the last to pressent that day | 11:58 |
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| ildikov | armstrong: I can ask whether we have the travel support program still open for this one if you need it | 11:58 |
| oneswig | armstrong: Ah, at the scientific-SIG lightning talks? Now I'm with you. | 11:59 |
| armstrong | IIdikov: yes please I will need it thanks | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Thought there was something more involved in the summit schedule. | 11:59 |
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| ildikov | armstrong: will get back to you on this when I got the info from my colleagues | 12:00 |
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| armstrong | IIdikov: ok waiting on the feedback | 12:01 |
| oneswig | We are out of time, that crept up | 12:01 |
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| oneswig | Gotta close the session | 12:01 |
| oneswig | ildikov: will let you know on the PTG slot, thanks for suggesting it. | 12:01 |
| oneswig | ... and have a lovely Christmas. | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 12:02:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2017/scientific_sig.2017-12-20-11.00.html | 12:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2017/scientific_sig.2017-12-20-11.00.txt | 12:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2017/scientific_sig.2017-12-20-11.00.log.html | 12:02 |
| armstrong | Bye | 12:02 |
| ildikov | oneswig: cool thanks | 12:02 |
| ildikov | oneswig: Happy Holidays! | 12:02 |
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| oneswig | Right back at ya :-) | 12:03 |
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| oneswig | thanks armstrong | 12:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | #strartmeeting massively-distributed-clouds | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively-distributed-clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 15:00:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:01 | |
| ad_rien_ | Hi guys | 15:01 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | I don't know how many folks will be there today | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau and dpertin are giving a lecture regarding enos | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | so anyone else ? | 15:02 |
| msimonin | o/ | 15:02 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:02 |
| avankemp | Hi everyone | 15:02 |
| kgiusti | ansmith is on holiday until 1/2 | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | yes… he is right ;) | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's wait two or three minutes,meanwhile you can give a look to the different links I put on the etherpad | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 Agenda line 1638 | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | anyone from the dragonflow team? | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's start | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic news | 15:06 |
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| oanson | Hi | 15:06 |
| oanson | Sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
| msimonin | Hi oanson | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | 1./ regarding the telcos organized by the foundation, I think we have an interesting session where we discuss some scenarios regarding possible edge use-cases | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | I believe we will consolidate this list by begining of January | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | You can give it a look (amend and complete it I guess) | 15:08 |
| msimonin | which link is it ? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_edge_computing_working_sessions_existing_gaps | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | the other link is related to a template related to the use-case. Since parus is not there today, I propose to skip that point | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | Then there is another interesting post that has been made by Matt Riedmann | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding the use of CellV2 concepts to deal with edge infrastructures | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | I would have appreciated to reply but unfortunately I cannot see the post anymore (stupid click on the report instead of forward :() | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | If someone knows how I can rollback such an action, please let me know | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | Meanwhile, could you please tell me whether you can access it? | 15:11 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks, | 15:12 |
| msimonin | I can't but maybe other can, I'm not linkedin friendly | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | if others can see it, then I will manage from my side sorry ;) | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's go ahead | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | Last but not the least, I should send informations regarding edge sessions during the next PTG. | 15:14 |
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| ad_rien_ | Could you please confirm that you will attend/by interested to take part to some discussions in Dublin | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | if yes, please update the etherpad | 15:15 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_edge_computing_working_sessions | 15:15 |
| msimonin | Is this epad related to the PTG ? | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: you told me that you should be in Dublin with Andy ? | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: yes - we're confirmed and on that epad | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_edge_computing_working_sessions line 21, PTG attendees | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | line 24 :) | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | so that's all from my side regarding the news | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | anythings else from your side? | 15:19 |
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| ad_rien_ | @msimonin can you please share some information regarding the performance WG? | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | before moving to the next topic? | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin: ? | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | still there :-P | 15:21 |
| msimonin | Do you have somethiong in mind ? | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | are there new concrete actions ? | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | (a part from the AMQP evaluations you are doing guys) | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | for instance, around the cell V2? | 15:21 |
| msimonin | Actually, well, no | 15:22 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks :D | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing-actions: use-cases | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok I think we can skip that one | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | parus is not there and I didn't see any folks from FBK | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | Can I move to the next topic? | 15:24 |
| msimonin | +1 | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing-actions: amqp | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ongoing-actions: amqp (Meeting topic: massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:24 | |
| ad_rien_ | So msimonin kgiusti please | 15:24 |
| kgiusti | So we've been meeting weekly to discuss the oslo.messaging testing | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | Last we talked msimonin and avankemp were still testing small distributions under rabbit | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | We're getting together tomorrow for an update. | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: avankemp anything I missed? | 15:27 |
| msimonin | That's perfect :) | 15:27 |
| avankemp | nop, maybe I can just add that we're scaling the experiments now to thousands of agents | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | excellent! | 15:27 |
| msimonin | +1 | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin: you put a couple of questions on the etherpad. Do you want to go through please? | 15:28 |
| msimonin | oh yes sure | 15:28 |
| msimonin | especially if we have kgiusti and oanson | 15:28 |
| msimonin | it's related to oslo.messaging and dragonflow | 15:29 |
| kgiusti | \o/ | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | please | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | :D | 15:29 |
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| msimonin | last time oanson told us that the pub/sub implementation of dragonflow was plugable | 15:29 |
| oanson | Yes | 15:29 |
| msimonin | but there was no plugin for oslo.messaging | 15:30 |
| oanson | I was just reading through the question in the agenda. | 15:30 |
| msimonin | ok | 15:30 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:30 |
| oanson | I don't know oslo.messaging too well | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | I don't believe I've worked with dragonflow - is there a good website describing it? | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | (save me the google fu) | 15:30 |
| oanson | We have a blog, but mostly it's just us for now :) | 15:30 |
| msimonin | (you should use qwant :) ) | 15:30 |
| oanson | Especially for technical details | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | oanson: I recommend you keep it that way. | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | oanson: oslo.messaging that is ;) | 15:30 |
| oanson | xD | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | So from the epad is the Q if an oslo.messaging plug in to dragonflow available? | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | Not that I'm aware of. | 15:31 |
| oanson | Currently there's no oslo.messaging driver. | 15:31 |
| msimonin | yes | 15:31 |
| oanson | It would be a great contribution, but we don't have the resources to do it. Especially since we have 2-3 other drivers already working well | 15:32 |
| msimonin | the point is what would be missing in oslo messaging (or not) | 15:32 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: in terms of dragonflow messaging requirements? | 15:32 |
| oanson | I doubt there's anything missing. Dragonflow only needs a way to send a message, be notified when a message is received | 15:32 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: like topic subscriptions? | 15:32 |
| msimonin | I don't know if line 1665 to l1667 are clear enough for example | 15:32 |
| oanson | There is also the ability to subscribe to topics | 15:32 |
| msimonin | are those topics dynamics ? | 15:33 |
| oanson | Yes | 15:33 |
| oanson | Currently we have a global topic that every one registers to. And a topic per tenant/project | 15:33 |
| msimonin | do you have a topic per sec-group for example ? | 15:33 |
| oanson | Not currently. | 15:33 |
| msimonin | that an agent would subscribe to if needed | 15:34 |
| oanson | But our agent is an all-or-nothing | 15:34 |
| msimonin | ah ? | 15:34 |
| msimonin | what do you mean ? | 15:34 |
| oanson | We have a single agent that does everything: | 15:34 |
| oanson | The Dragonflow controller runs on each compute node. | 15:34 |
| oanson | It connects to the OVS switch, and implements everything it can through that | 15:35 |
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| oanson | What it does is defined by the applications that were loaded | 15:35 |
| oanson | So the Dragonflow controller (our single agent) subscribes (using the pub/sub mechanism) to events according to specific tenants/projects | 15:35 |
| oanson | If selective proactive is enabled, only the tenants installed on it (i.e. ports bound to this node). Otherwise, it subscribes to everything. | 15:36 |
| oanson | msimonin, this was a bit long. Does it answer your question? | 15:36 |
| msimonin | If a sec-group is modified, are all the agents notified ? | 15:37 |
| oanson | In general, yes | 15:37 |
| msimonin | even if they aren't interrested in this secgroup | 15:37 |
| msimonin | ? | 15:37 |
| oanson | Yes | 15:37 |
| oanson | Basically, we can filter this on the tenant level - if the node doesn't have any tenant ports installed, it won't get the event. | 15:37 |
| msimonin | so in a massively distributed clouds this would make a big multicast ? | 15:38 |
| oanson | But all nodes with ports belonging to the tenant (or project) will get the event | 15:38 |
| oanson | Yes. | 15:38 |
| oanson | We trust the publish subscribe mechanism to be light enough. | 15:38 |
| msimonin | and reliable enough ? | 15:39 |
| oanson | No. We verify we're up-to-date by syncing with the database | 15:40 |
| oanson | I think the sync time is configurable | 15:40 |
| msimonin | if an agent miss some messages, it detects it and resync with the db ? | 15:40 |
| oanson | Yes | 15:40 |
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| msimonin | I think this would be a good exercice to check if oslo messaging could be a plugin. | 15:41 |
| kgiusti | oanson: msimonin: I can do that | 15:41 |
| oanson | That would be great! | 15:42 |
| kgiusti | hopefully by next meeting, but no promises (will *try* to limit the egg nog) | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:42 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: if there anything I can do to help ? | 15:42 |
| oanson | kgiusti, I am available for any help you need | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | I've been preempted | 15:42 |
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| msimonin | I'm interesting in the topic and this sounds related to the experiments we are planning to do | 15:43 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: did you want to do the evaluation? I didn't mean to rush in | 15:43 |
| msimonin | regarding the massively distributed RPCs | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | Guys may I ask you to take some notes on the pad just to have an overview of what you discuss? races for the other | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | s/race for the other/ / | 15:43 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: yep - happy holidays + new year to you! | 15:44 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: not I'm interested but since I don't know at all the oslo_messaging internals I don't think I am the best candidate | 15:44 |
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| kgiusti | msimonin: let me take a quick pass through then we can plan work if that is the next logical step. | 15:44 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti: ack :) | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | (kgiusti I'm back now, have been preempted for the last couple of minutes) | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | Can we move to the other topic | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:45 |
| msimonin | should we put an action ? | 15:45 |
| kgiusti | oanson: if you can send me some pointers where I can start ramp up on dragonflow + drivers (kgiusti@gmail.com) that'd be great | 15:45 |
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| kgiusti | msimonin: I'll do that | 15:45 |
| oanson | kgiusti, sure. I'll do that! | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | Actually, I would like to start preparing the PGT meeting as I think it is important to come with foods for core-devs discussions | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:46 |
| kgiusti | go for it - I'm all set! | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | can we switch or you have a last point to discuss ? | 15:46 |
| kgiusti | switch ok! | 15:47 |
| kgiusti | :) | 15:47 |
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| msimonin | (oanson, kgiusti could you cc me at some point, I'll try to learn) | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: msimonin ok for you too? | 15:47 |
| msimonin | yes | 15:47 |
| oanson | Sure | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | So I propose to jump over the two last items regarding the on-going actions as we did not make significant progress and I propose to discuss the PTG topic ;) | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic PTG-Preparation | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | so my goal is to try to prepare as much as possible the PTG | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | I would like to propose to work in subgroups | 15:49 |
| msimonin | What will be the format ? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | in order to collect as much as possible informations regarding the code base | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | format will be the one we want to have | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | I think there will be at least one sessions regarding the use-cases | 15:50 |
| msimonin | Oh :) | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | but because I know that we can discuss about use-cases during three days without diving into details | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | I think it is important to come with more concrete stuffs | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | for instance an etherpad with three identified use-cases | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | and then conduct a gap analysis of the current code-base w.r.t. these use-cases | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | So If we can define some milestones just to help us to move forward and be sure we will have enough materials before the PTG | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | I think it would be great | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | right now we have one use-case | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | i.e. control plane is centralized and we have remote nodes | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | vCPE/SDN/... | 15:52 |
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| ad_rien_ | use-cases | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | we can also think about using the cells | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | what are the pros/cons of such an approcha? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | using the regions what are the pros/cons | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | etc... | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | for each try to see whether we need additional piece of code | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | of if we can just revise the current code bas | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | e | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | or if we should really fork the code in order to propose another implementation/alternative of a particular service | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | (e.g. DragonFlow in comparison to the vanilla neutron implementation). | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | so far so good? | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | Any remarks/other ideas ? | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | no remark :-P ? | 15:55 |
| msimonin | Usage of pub/sub in the context of massively distributed deployment ? | 15:55 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:55 |
| msimonin | (I'm biased) | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | from my view point this is interesting but probably a bit too specific | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | The goal from my viewpoint is to be able to discuss with the core developpers | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | core developpers will be focused on the code base | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | if we arrive with ''just'' another solution without any strong arguments against the current code base, I think our viewpoints will not be considered? | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | but it can be a topic indeed | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | How can core-services can communicate WANWide with intermittent network connectivity | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | Can you add it into the pad | 15:56 |
| msimonin | yep | 15:56 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | anything else ? | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | Two minutes left ? | 15:57 |
| msimonin | IMHO the dragonflow implementations are interresting | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | oanson: maybe you would like to discuss network aspects | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | exactly ;) | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks msimonin | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | but the same we need to come with some materials | 15:57 |
| oanson | ad_rien_, sure. | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | so if dragonflow folks are interested and have time to prepare a bit | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | it would be nice | 15:58 |
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| oanson | Definitely. We'll see what we can come up with. | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | I know that the neutron team is planning to impement a cell like concept within the neutron code | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | great | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks guy | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | please put some notes into the pad | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | nothing else from my side | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | I wish you a merry christmas | 15:58 |
| msimonin | Thanks ad_rien_ ! You too | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | and all the best for the two next weeks ! | 15:59 |
| oanson | Thanks! You too. | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 15:59:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-12-20-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-12-20-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-12-20-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 16:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| felipemonteiro | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (^▽^)/ ʸᵉᔆᵎ | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Hey tbarron | 16:01 |
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| gouthamr | o/ | 16:01 |
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| Guest37178 | hi! | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-queens-meeting-agendas | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Give people another minute to get here. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:03 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Waiting for smcginnis since he has a topic on there. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | ༼⍤༽ | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yay! and I guess Gorka is just a Guest now. | 16:04 |
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| * smcginnis tries to remember what I wanted to talk about | 16:04 | |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so we might as well get started. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I haven't seen too many reviews added to the tracking etherpad. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Please take some time to do that if you can please. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | With Queens-2 passing I have moved all the new driver proposals to a -2 for now. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Trying to get caught up on reviews. Will keep working on that through Christmas. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Plan for up-coming meetings | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | That leads me to the next topic which is what we want to do about our up-coming meetings. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | I know a lot of people are on vacation next week. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Would anyone be opposed to skipping the 12/27 meeting? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I'm probably around on Wednesday, but I will be travelling the next two weeks. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Skipping sounds good to me. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Will you be around on 1/3/18 ? | 16:09 |
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| e0ne | what about meeting on Jan, 3rd? | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that was the next question e0ne | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: That one is less likely for me. I think I will be in Portland. | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, I am going to be in workshops in RTP and am not sure that I will be able to run the meeting. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: We can skip two weeks. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | The agendas have been pretty light. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Or have a quick one next week for those around, then skip the next one. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | I'd be fine skipping two. | 16:10 |
| ildikov | I don't think too much is going to happen during these two weeks | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | We can always bring up issues in channel. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: True. | 16:10 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: that's true | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: You don't think multiattach will land in the next two weeks? :) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | He he he. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | We can dream. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | any options are good for me | 16:11 |
| ildikov | We should get the multiattach spec landed though but I believe jgriffith needs to update it first | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Good point. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Right. I have been wanting to merge it. Not sure if it has been updated. I need to look at that. | 16:11 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: I will be already happy if the spec does... | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Lets move that to Open Discussion. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think we have landed on skip two weeks. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | #agreed Skip 12/27 and 1/3/18 . | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to send an e-mail to the mailing list. | 16:13 |
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| ildikov | It looks like we want to skip those days :) | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Okie dokie. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #topic LVM Extend Issues | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1731984 Extend bug report | 16:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1731984 in Cinder "LVM: iSCSI tgts not refreshed after volume extend" [Undecided,New] | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1731984 | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | So I was doing some bug triaging the last few days and came across this. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | And I'm not sure if it's valid or not, so I wanted to get it out to more folks that might have some experience there. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | It surprised my a bit, because I thought we had tests for this that are passing with LVM. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So checking to see if anyone knows anything about the need to refresh iSCSI targets after extending a volume. | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is this talking about on the host or in the VM? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I believe it's on the host exposing the LV. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | And the iSCSI targets it presents. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Oh .... | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | The paste included in the bug seems to indicate a difference, but not sure if that's really what the nova host sees. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I see that now. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Though maybe I'm wrong about having test coverage here. I should double check that. | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | I am not totally sure that we do. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | If no one has any background on this, that's OK. Just thought I would raise it in case someone knew something about it. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Seems easy enough to add the call they mention in the bug. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: It sounds like it may be a valid but. I think with the extend in-use we had thought that there might be a driver impact and it just didn't get followed up upon. | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | No one is jumping up and down with input. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yeah, I suppose. We can move on. Doesn't sound like anyone knows this bit. :) | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I would think that eharney or hemna might have input. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | They seem to know something about iSCSI. :-) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Maybe they'll chime in later. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Are you going to follow through with the bug then? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: If no one else grabs it before me I can. Need to wrap up a couple other things first. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Ok ... sounds good. | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: smcginnis jgriffith Ok, back to the multi-attach spec | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523608/ Multiattach spec | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you, was just trying to find that. | 16:24 |
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| ildikov | It's still set to WIP | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Yeah. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | So it looks like we need John to update it. | 16:25 |
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| ildikov | I think we're mainly in an agreement on the points though, so maybe on the meeting tomorrow the latest someone can update it if jgriffith will not do it by then | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Good plan. | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Agreed. I will review before tomorrow's meeting. If we are all in agreement and if John can't get to it I can do an update. | 16:26 |
| ildikov | ok, we can stick with that then as I guess one day doesn't count by now | 16:27 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: sounds good, thanks | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | #agreed Finish up review at 12/21 meeting and jungleboyj will update the spec if jgriffith is unavailable. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Do we agree we need to get that in before the holiday? | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Would be good to have that done. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | #agreed Should merge the spec before the holiday break. | 16:29 |
| ildikov | yes | 16:29 |
| ildikov | we need to set the base for code changes | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. | 16:29 |
| ildikov | and jgriffith said we shouldn't have too much up before having the spec merged | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Thanks for bringing that up. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | So we have a plan there. | 16:30 |
| ildikov | and as I need to make my hands dirty here as well and I'm slow the earliest we could have it land the better | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) Yeah. Really want to get that done. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Any other topics for today? | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I have one more... | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Go ahead sir. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | So cinder repo reviews are... what they are. But also wanted to point out we have os-brick, python-cinderclient, python-brick-cinderclient-ext, and now cinder-tempest-plugin. | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | We need reviews on those patches as well. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | There's not a ton out there, but they haven't been getting much attention lately. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | That's it, just wanted to give that public service announcement. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. Good point. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I need to add cinder-tempest-plugin to my list of things I get e-mail for. | 16:33 |
| * jungleboyj also needs to clean out my review inbox. | 16:34 | |
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| smcginnis | Oh, on that point too, make sure we don't add any more tempest tests to the cinder repo. They should be going in the new repo now. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | I have a patch to remove the cinder tests, but I think that's still out there. | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: If you point me to that patch we can try to get it through. | 16:35 |
| * jungleboyj waits for smcginnis to think of something else... | 16:36 | |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Nothing else from me. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) Ok. Then I think we can wrap the meeting up. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | have a good holidays! | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year! | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487144/ Tempest removal | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Look forward to continuing to work with everyone in the new year! | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | THanks! | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Later. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:38 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ヽ(´･ω･`)､ | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 16:38:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-12-20-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-12-20-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-12-20-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:38 |
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| SotK | storyboard time! | 18:59 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 18:59:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:00 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| SotK | hey diablo_rojo :) | 19:00 |
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| SotK | so since the last meeting I started working on a patch to implement the ability to link to a partially-filled new story form | 19:01 |
| Zara | o/ my clock is 2 min behind =D | 19:02 |
| SotK | with support for forcing the created story to be private too | 19:02 |
| SotK | :D welcome | 19:02 |
| Zara | thank you! I have an enormous review backlog now | 19:02 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526219/ | 19:02 |
| SotK | that is the current WIP | 19:02 |
| * fungi is late | 19:02 | |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, awesome! Will check it out. | 19:02 |
| SotK | it doesn't actually work fully yet, I've not had much chance to improve it since last week | 19:03 |
| * SotK suddenly remembered that christmas is a thing that needs preparation | 19:03 | |
| fungi | i got to thinking about the implementation there, and i feel like it's not only a big piece of the vmt and docs need, but also goes a long way towards the more general bug reporting solution i've been hearing everyone say they want | 19:03 |
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| SotK | yeah, I'm hopeful it will be helpful for that | 19:04 |
| SotK | since it'll allow people to create links with project-specific "bug templates" for example | 19:05 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | \o/ | 19:05 |
| fungi | if nothing else, i think some careful application of custom reporting urls solves the "i want to report a bug, not a story" confusion | 19:06 |
| Zara | yes | 19:06 |
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| Zara | or even 'I want to make a bug' :D | 19:06 |
| fungi | though i really liked in the infra meeting yesterday when jeblair said (paraphrasing because i don't feel like looking it back up) "a bug is just a sad story" | 19:06 |
| fungi | or maybe that was in the zuul meeting | 19:07 |
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| persia | I think that was infra: I think it's true, but helping folk understand that by providing custom forms is likely to be a good thng. | 19:07 |
| Zara | I only realised today that I'd lost my connection to #openstack-meeting | 19:07 |
| Zara | I thought it was quiet | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed. Comically difficult for people to understand that bugs and new features are both just code changes. | 19:08 |
| * fungi has been trying to refer to storyboard as "defect and task tracking" | 19:08 | |
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| persia | Perhaps more consumable than "a tool for communicating desire and intent" | 19:09 |
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| fungi | while most people ultimately need a task tracking system, they're operating under the assumption that what they want is a defect tracking system | 19:10 |
| Zara | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/page/about has our current blurb fwiw | 19:10 |
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| Zara | it mentions bugs as a subset of stories | 19:10 |
| Zara | well, bug reports | 19:10 |
| fungi | oh, thanks! i'd forgotten that existed. i'll try to remember to link it more often | 19:10 |
| Zara | it should be the page that comes up by default when someone navigates to sb but isn't logged in iirc | 19:11 |
| SotK | it is :) | 19:11 |
| Zara | so that new users know what is | 19:11 |
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| fungi | excellent. i just never see it because i'm always following deeper links into teh webclient | 19:11 |
| Zara | yeah, I had to dig to remember what it said on there, but it looks like it's up to date :) | 19:12 |
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| SotK | in terms of other things we have on the go, there is the patch I sent to switch to a markdown renderer that is actually maintained | 19:14 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518625/ | 19:14 |
| SotK | it'd be good to get that merged in some form | 19:14 |
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| * diablo_rojo puts reviews on my list today | 19:15 | |
| * diablo_rojo puts reviews on her list today | 19:15 | |
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| fungi | diablo_rojo: looks like you already +1'd that one | 19:16 |
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| SotK | diablo_rojo has reviewed all of my patches that are ready for review I think | 19:16 |
| SotK | thanks btw :) | 19:16 |
| fungi | +2, looks like a pretty simple change | 19:16 |
| fungi | also note that mordred has pushed up a largeish (i think, haven't looked yet) webclient patch to switch up the framework a bit | 19:17 |
| SotK | yeah, I'm looking forward to trying that out | 19:17 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/528436 | 19:17 |
| SotK | it'll be good to get our tooling up to date, thanks mordred | 19:18 |
| fungi | maybe he'll reciprocate with some reviewing other webclient changes | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh sweet. Then I am actually kind of on top of things. | 19:18 |
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| SotK | have there been any developments in the launchpad migration since last meeting? | 19:20 |
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| Zara | (thanks for the links. I'm the one slowing down reviews atm I think.) | 19:21 |
| Zara | (have had holidays and things, am around more now) | 19:21 |
| fungi | i haven't migrated anyone new, not sure what updates diablo_rojo has on discussions to that effect for upcoming candidates | 19:21 |
| SotK | Zara: whilst you're looking, there is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307712/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510669/ of mine that are waiting on reviews :) | 19:22 |
| Zara | yeahhhh | 19:22 |
| Zara | tonight with any luck | 19:23 |
| Zara | maybe won't get to everything but do want that markdown parser change in asap | 19:23 |
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| mordred | fungi, SotK: oh - there will be more to come - that one is just the beginning ... I figure starting small is best :) | 19:26 |
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| SotK | excellent :D | 19:26 |
| fungi | it'll be nice to modernize, thanks again mordred! | 19:26 |
| persia | mordred: 5K lines is small? | 19:26 |
| mordred | persia: in this case - yes | 19:27 |
| fungi | at least most of that is generated code | 19:27 |
| fungi | yay javascript | 19:28 |
| mordred | persia: (the yarn.lock is an auto-generated file - package.json is where the important bits are) | 19:28 |
| persia | Nearly all of it: the actual patch is mostly deleting stuff that shouldn't be used anymore, with a couple minor adjustments in pathnames as a result. | 19:28 |
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| mordred | yah. I now noticed you left a review comment/question - I should go respond to that ... but tl;dr - yes, for applications such as storyboard-webclient the lock file is recommended to be committed | 19:29 |
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| mordred | perhaps I should rebase it on top of the marked patch? | 19:30 |
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| SotK | that would be ideal, thanks | 19:31 |
| persia | Depends on the review order: the marked patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/518625/ | 19:31 |
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| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:35 |
| SotK | #topic Discussion | 19:36 |
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| SotK | if there is anything else folk want to discuss, go ahead | 19:36 |
| SotK | otherwise I will end the meeting in a few minutes | 19:36 |
| * fungi has nothing else | 19:37 | |
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| * Zara has nothing, I just need to get on with reviews :) | 19:39 | |
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| SotK | well then, thanks for coming everyone! | 19:40 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 19:40:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-12-20-18.59.html | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-12-20-18.59.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-12-20-18.59.log.html | 19:40 |
| fungi | thanks SotK! | 19:41 |
| Zara | thanks! :D | 19:41 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Thanks SotK ! | 19:45 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 20 21:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| clayg | meeting meeting meeting | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| clayg | tdasilva: !! | 21:00 |
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| tdasilva | clayg! | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | hello | 21:01 |
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| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:02 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | hello :) | 21:02 |
| clayg | rledisez: acoles: torgomatic: joeljwright: !!! everyone is here !!! | 21:03 |
| * clayg steps out for a bit | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:03 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:03 |
| notmyname | agenda at | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | a few things to review and a new topic from m_kazuhiro | 21:03 |
| notmyname | first up, some FYI stuff... | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic general stuff | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general stuff (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | patch 528582 is making its way through the gate | 21:04 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528582/ - swift - Native Zuul v3 tox jobs | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | and in fact it changes the gate | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | it's the in-repo definition of check and gate jobs for swift | 21:04 |
| notmyname | using the new zuul v3 stuff | 21:04 |
| notmyname | it's a great improvement because it allows us to define test jobs in our own repo (AIUI, even with ansible scripts to set up an environment, if needed) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | this first patch is the last step int he old centralized job definition to the new zuul v3 way | 21:06 |
| clayg | tdasilva: ^^^ pretty cool huh!? | 21:06 |
| clayg | all hail zuul v3 | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | very! was thinking we could add libec, probe tests | 21:06 |
| notmyname | yup | 21:06 |
| clayg | ~ a whole new world ~ | 21:06 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | speaking of probe tests, we all probably noticed by now that the swiftstack community qa cluster has been throwing errors. I've finally burned through enough on my todo list to get to that item | 21:07 |
| clayg | burn it down! | 21:07 |
| notmyname | (1) I hope to fix it, of find someone who can (2) some of it may not be needed any more with the zull v3 definitions | 21:07 |
| notmyname | any other general stuff to bring up? | 21:08 |
| clayg | oh... i mean fix it... but you COULD burn it down - that would *also* be fun... | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I thought I had something else, but of course I didn't write it down... | 21:08 |
| timburke | i was actually thinking of that wrt to the func tests... | 21:08 |
| kota_ | i think, libec and pyeclib are also in progress for zuul v3 | 21:08 |
| clayg | timburke: yeah burn 'em! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I heard something about some conference talks being accepted, acoles cschwede, tdasilva | 21:08 |
| timburke | we should totally get some cross-policy testing happening in the gate though! | 21:08 |
| acoles | notmyname: IIRC the community cluster functional test was setup to cover an EC policy which we now have an in process test for | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: ya | 21:08 |
| clayg | cschwede: !!! | 21:09 |
| kota_ | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528546 | 21:09 |
| patchbot | patch 528546 - pyeclib - Convert tox job to native v3 Zuul | 21:09 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/track/software_defined_storage/ | 21:09 |
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| tdasilva | there are two swift talks missing from there right now, but i expect they will be there soon | 21:10 |
| notmyname | nice | 21:10 |
| acoles | tdasilva: and cschwede assure me they will be there too, otherwise I'll have to drink belgian beer on my own :/ | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | and give 3 talks | 21:10 |
| timburke | kota_: oh man! that makes me so happy that i made a liberasurecode-git tox env for pyeclib... | 21:11 |
| acoles | tdasilva: t's swift, same talk 3 times over :) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | acoles: tdasilva: cschwede: that's great :-) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on to the agenda topics | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #topic symlink status | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "symlink status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:12 | |
| notmyname | patch 232162 | 21:12 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ - swift - Symlink implementation. (MERGED) | 21:12 |
| timburke | whoooo!!! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | it's merged! | 21:12 |
| kota_ | yey | 21:12 |
| notmyname | (what follow-ons are still open?) | 21:12 |
| joeljwright | awesome! | 21:13 |
| m_kazuhiro | great! | 21:13 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527583/ | 21:13 |
| patchbot | patch 527583 - swift - functest for symlink + versioned writes | 21:13 |
| kota_ | it looks like that it got a merge conflict | 21:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527583 - clayg or i need to rebase it | 21:14 |
| patchbot | patch 527583 - swift - functest for symlink + versioned writes | 21:14 |
| acoles | the conflict is all my fault, think I fixed a teardown in two patches | 21:14 |
| notmyname | other than the rebase, how's it look? | 21:14 |
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| clayg | booo `liberasurecode-git tox env` | 21:15 |
| clayg | er... booo `The change could not be rebased due to a conflict during merge` even | 21:15 |
| clayg | copy/paste error | 21:15 |
| clayg | merge all the things! | 21:15 |
| notmyname | anything else needed for symlinks follow-on? | 21:16 |
| acoles | clayg: if you dont get there before me i will fix the conflict tomorrow | 21:16 |
| notmyname | clayg: didn't you have a pile of them? did they all get squashed or landed? | 21:16 |
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| clayg | what symlink follow-on? idk... i'd have to work on a list | 21:16 |
| kota_ | there ware 5 follow up patches but 4 of them landed already AFAIK | 21:16 |
| clayg | a bunch got landed | 21:16 |
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| clayg | notmyname: see kota_ is on it - you don't have to worry - i'm not worried | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:16 |
| clayg | 😎 | 21:17 |
| notmyname | sounds good! | 21:17 |
| notmyname | #topic SLO data segments | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SLO data segments (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:17 | |
| notmyname | patch 365371 | 21:17 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ - swift - Add support for data segments to SLO and Segmented... | 21:17 |
| timburke | oh man, so many. it was great. p 527595 p 528073 p 528072 p 527477 p 527475 | 21:17 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527595/ - swift - Add more assertions for Symlink + Copy unit tests (MERGED) | 21:17 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528073/ - swift - add symlink to probetest for reconciler (MERGED) | 21:17 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528072/ - swift - add symlink to container sync default and sample c... (MERGED) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | timburke: looks like you just pushed a patch set | 21:17 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527477/ - swift - Assert X-Newest and X-Backend headers are propagat... (MERGED) | 21:17 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/527475/ - swift - Symlink doc clean up (MERGED) | 21:17 |
| patchbot | timburke: don't abuse the patchbot | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:18 |
| kota_ | oh, 6 total and 5 got mreged. | 21:18 |
| kota_ | *merged | 21:18 |
| notmyname | nice | 21:18 |
| timburke | notmyname: yup. had to fix it up after the name change in 528081 | 21:18 |
| timburke | p 528081 | 21:18 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/528081/ - swift - rename utils function less like stdlib (MERGED) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks | 21:18 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: wanna give it a quick look to see if it still resembles what you remember? :-) | 21:19 |
| joeljwright | I've been keeping an eye on it | 21:19 |
| timburke | gate looks happy -- just waiting on the extra long test | 21:19 |
| joeljwright | but I'll give it another look for patchset 40 | 21:19 |
| notmyname | timburke: joeljwright: did either of you test the nested SLOs with a recent patch set? when I looked, it looked good, but that was an outstanding question | 21:19 |
| joeljwright | it's evolved into something really cool thanks to timburke | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | yeah, it's a pretty cool feature | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I suspect it will become a commonly-used feature | 21:20 |
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| timburke | notmyname: yeah, there's a func test for that now. look for 'nested-data-manifest' | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | nice! | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | sounds good | 21:21 |
| notmyname | #topic s3api work status | 21:21 |
| joeljwright | I haven't tested since patch 38 or 39, happy to take another look tomorrow | 21:21 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38/ - openstack-infra/system-config - Added entry for building manuals. (MERGED) | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "s3api work status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:21 | |
| notmyname | kota_: tdasilva: what's going on here? | 21:21 |
| timburke | ttfb on SLOs got you down? inline the first meg! ;-) | 21:21 |
| joeljwright | sorry | 21:21 |
| notmyname | timburke: first 7k ;-) | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | TBH i haven't had a chance to take a look at s3api for a while, definetely need to back to it :( | 21:22 |
| notmyname | I havne't looked at the s3api feature branch in a bit | 21:22 |
| notmyname | same for you timburke? | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | last i was working on merging tests | 21:22 |
| notmyname | kota_: have you spent any time on it lately? | 21:22 |
| kota_ | oh, sorry I was left for a bit | 21:22 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:22 |
| tdasilva | merge as in merging trees, not landing new tests | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | got it | 21:23 |
| kota_ | I was starting to work on it yesterday | 21:23 |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:23 |
| kota_ | wait a bit | 21:23 |
| kota_ | paste the trillo link... | 21:23 |
| kota_ | https://trello.com/b/ZloaZ23t/s3api | 21:23 |
| kota_ | i took 2 of tasks from backlog | 21:24 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529238/ | 21:24 |
| patchbot | patch 529238 - swift (feature/s3api) - Add s3api section into docs | 21:24 |
| kota_ | docs | 21:24 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/529268/ | 21:24 |
| patchbot | patch 529268 - swift (feature/s3api) - Avoid global LOGGER instance | 21:24 |
| kota_ | logger | 21:24 |
| kota_ | and some minor things | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | nice! | 21:25 |
| notmyname | that's great. thanks for keeping work going on it | 21:25 |
| clayg | kota_: is on a roll1 | 21:25 |
| clayg | roll! | 21:25 |
| kota_ | hopefully, i expect timburke helps to land. in particular LOGGER one starts to touch a bunch of places | 21:25 |
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| kota_ | tdasilva: if you have a patch for functests even if its intermediate, i may help you to cleanup. | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | kota_: that sounds great, i'll try to propose as a WIP | 21:26 |
| timburke | yeah, i'll be sure to help review when i can | 21:27 |
| notmyname | yay team swift :-) | 21:27 |
| kota_ | that's all from me for s3api | 21:27 |
| notmyname | #topic general task queue | 21:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general task queue (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:27 | |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: this is what you've been working on | 21:27 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas/task-execution | 21:27 |
| notmyname | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/11sBbB6pBvLYNeM9wjTdvvsJIu8Dl8i13UH2NfRVNOqg/edit#heading=h.u5kq7utbivxa | 21:27 |
| clayg | general task queue!!! | 21:27 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/517389 | 21:28 |
| patchbot | patch 517389 - swift - WIP: Update object expirer to use general task que... | 21:28 |
| clayg | whoa | 21:28 |
| m_kazuhiro | This is updating work for expirer's task queue and this is next work for auto-tiering. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: and you've been working with rledisez and mattoliverau(?) on it? | 21:28 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: yes. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | great | 21:28 |
| notmyname | how's work going? | 21:29 |
| clayg | rledisez: is all about it | 21:29 |
| rledisez | totally :) | 21:29 |
| m_kazuhiro | I implemented main code for that. But I want to discuss some topics about it. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:30 |
| clayg | m_kazuhiro: do you have your tickets booked for PTG? | 21:30 |
| m_kazuhiro | clayg: I'm going to get tickets now. | 21:30 |
| * clayg is just asking - he hasn't booked his travel either - but I think other people have started doing so | 21:30 | |
| clayg | whoot! | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | m_kazuhiro: great good doc | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | 21:31 | |
| m_kazuhiro | the great doc is made by mattoliverau !! | 21:31 |
| * tdasilva high fives mattoliverau | 21:32 | |
| rledisez | +1 very good summary of discussion we had in sidney | 21:32 |
| notmyname | is there a particular question that we need to discuss in this meeting? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | looks like it will be a very good topic in dublin | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | Romain Expirer Algorithm | 21:34 |
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| tdasilva | yay, swift finally has named an algorithm | 21:34 |
| clayg | neat idea to use partitions to break up work... | 21:34 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:34 |
| m_kazuhiro | Today's main discussion topic is in end of the google doc. | 21:35 |
| m_kazuhiro | "Known problems" | 21:35 |
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| clayg | m_kazuhiro: can you restate that problem - i don't understand it in that context... I read something about a migration? maybe taking the old containers and backfilling into the new per-partition containers? | 21:36 |
| rledisez | basically, if every objects server fetch a different account for object-expiring tasks, what about the legacy tasks. all objects servers will fetch the same account. if you have a lot of object server, it's a DDoS of the account server | 21:37 |
| rledisez | migration could be difficult path if you have hundreds of millions of tasks | 21:37 |
| clayg | rledisez: i agree - i'd rather now have to translate the rows | 21:38 |
| torgomatic | shard the migration work with the new queue system | 21:38 |
| m_kazuhiro | rledisez: Thanks | 21:38 |
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| torgomatic | (half serious :) ) | 21:38 |
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| clayg | rledisez: how many object-expirier's do you currently run? You're worried about a bunch of account GETs ... i... I'm not sure I'm scared... once it's in the page cache... I'm not sure | 21:39 |
| clayg | like... what... 10K requests? meh.. | 21:39 |
| timburke | could we have some config option that says "continue pulling work from the old location, but write new work down in two places" then later flip it to "pull work from new place (and only write down new work in one place)"? | 21:39 |
| rledisez | 10K requests, every minutes ? | 21:39 |
| rledisez | that's a lot, I already killed a cluster that way | 21:39 |
| tdasilva | timburke: i was about to propose something like object-expirer2 | 21:40 |
| rledisez | i was thinking of something based on the device id and current day. a process would fetch task if day % device_id == 0 not that great, but it would limit the concurrency on legacy account | 21:40 |
| rledisez | well, it's actually a very bad ideai, forget it :) | 21:42 |
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| m_kazuhiro | I got an idea about that from kota_... and I think it is great. The idea is that expirer has "check_legacy_queue" boolean configure. We can controll expirer count which checks legacy queue with the value. | 21:43 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: does that answer help you move forward for now? | 21:44 |
| rledisez | i'd rather have something the operator does not need to think about. if the operator forget that new param, the feature is broken. doesn't feel nice. but as we require that the operator run object-expirer on object-server, it might be OK I guess | 21:44 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: Yes. I can move forward with the answer. But I want to get opinions about the idea. | 21:46 |
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| clayg | rledisez: so you HAVE deployed enough object-expirers that the container server's holding the .expiring_objects account were not happy with the current amount of listings? I don't think i've ever had that problem. | 21:46 |
| clayg | er... account servers or account/container servers | 21:47 |
| rledisez | clayg: it was not object-expirer, but an other internal process working pretty much the same way AFAIR | 21:47 |
| clayg | I've seen specific expiring_object/<timeslice> *containers* get busy (but that's because they're eating row updates) | 21:47 |
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| clayg | and that part at least has been better since the RAX guys did the thing to make 100 containers for every timeslice or however dfg wrote it | 21:48 |
| rledisez | maybe i should do an other test on our biggest cluster to see how it behave now | 21:48 |
| timburke | i feel like i must be missing something... probably need to read about it more. but the migration path for inherently ephemeral data seems like it shouldn't be a stumbling block. is it that we're changing the cardinality of workers? | 21:48 |
| clayg | does the new design have a bunch of accounts? I thought it was account-per-task so I don't quite follow how the load at the account layer is reduced ... and I'm not sure how many GETs on account would need to happen before I'd be concerned... | 21:49 |
| rledisez | clayg: account per $task-$ring-$partition_number | 21:50 |
| clayg | I mean... i think we can write these processes to be pretty nice to swift - and we'll only have as many clients as nodes.. and there's probably more external clients than internal nodes... | 21:50 |
| clayg | ORLY!? ok then... | 21:50 |
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| clayg | ok, yeah I minunderstood the diagram - the indentation is account -> container -> object - gotcha | 21:51 |
| clayg | ok cool! | 21:51 |
| torgomatic | as long as we don't wind up with some Kafka-esque rules for how our queue system works, things should be fine | 21:51 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: thanks for bringing this topic up. it's a good question | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | to everyone, where's the best place to keep discussing it? in -swift? or something else like the google doc? | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: what woudl you prefer? | 21:53 |
| clayg | I think we should ignore it | 21:54 |
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| m_kazuhiro | I think remainning topic can be discussed on IRC (not this meeting). So we can finish acout task queue for now. | 21:54 |
| clayg | this problem at least | 21:55 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:55 |
| clayg | We could come up with all kinds of arbitrary ways to limit the number of deployed nodes which handle the legacy data | 21:55 |
| notmyname | that's brought us pretty close to full time | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:55 |
| clayg | "also_do_legcy_work = false" | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | I remembered the other thing I wanted to bring up at the beginning | 21:55 |
| notmyname | next meeting time | 21:55 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:55 |
| clayg | "legacy_processes = 4" "legacy_process = 1" | 21:56 |
| notmyname | I suggest we skip the next 2 weeks | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | and next meeting is january 10 | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: can I still get into openstack-swift and tell everyone what santa brings me? | 21:56 |
| kota_ | sounds good | 21:56 |
| clayg | on the 27th | 21:56 |
| notmyname | any objections? (objecting is the same as volunteering to run a meeting) | 21:56 |
| clayg | no objections | 21:56 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:56 |
| acoles | notmyname: no objections | 21:56 |
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| acoles | ugh, I lost | 21:57 |
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| rledisez | ok for me, i'll be off starting friday | 21:57 |
| notmyname | ok, next meeting is january 10 | 21:57 |
| clayg | rledisez: have a good holiday! | 21:57 |
| rledisez | thx clayg :) | 21:57 |
| kota_ | rledisez: enjoy! | 21:57 |
| notmyname | if you are taking a holiday, I hope you have a good time with friends and family | 21:57 |
| acoles | rledisez: bon vacances | 21:57 |
| rledisez | thx all, i'm sure i'll enjoy it! | 21:58 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for all your work on swift :-) | 21:58 |
| notmyname | thanks for a good swift-in-2017 | 21:58 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 20 21:58:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-12-20-21.00.html | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-12-20-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-12-20-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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