Wednesday, 2019-08-21

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liuyulong#startmeeting neutron_l314:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 21 14:00:42 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is liuyulong. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'14:00
liuyulong#chair liuyulong_14:01
openstackCurrent chairs: liuyulong liuyulong_14:01
liuyulong_#topic Announcements14:01
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liuyulong_we now have a 'U' release name: Ussuri.14:02
njohnstonliuyulong_: How do you feel about that?  I was not in favor of something that is literally borderline Chinese, but that's just me.14:03
liuyulong_It's not easy.14:03
liuyulong_njohnston, Actually, I don't like it very much either.14:04
liuyulong_Not so much Chinese Characteristic.14:04
liuyulong_But it is just a name, just fine.14:05
liuyulong_Don't be too entangled.14:05
liuyulong_Once again, please add your topic here.14:07
liuyulong_OK, any other announcement?14:08
liuyulong_OK, let's move on.14:09
liuyulong_#topic Bugs14:09
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liuyulong_Ryan Tidwell (tidwellr) was our bug deputy last week, thank you for the collection.14:09
liuyulong_IMO, we have one bug related to L3.14:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1840579 in neutron "excessive number of dvrs where vm got a fixed ip on floating network" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to norman shen (jshen28)14:10
ralonsohI don't understand this bug14:11
ralonsohthe patch is removing the dvr routers in the compute nodes14:11
liuyulong_Actually I feel a bit confusing about this bug, which part is the condition, and what is the result?14:11
ralonsohduring the sync process14:11
liuyulong_ralonsoh, same as you14:11
liuyulong_Create VM in floating network, then got unexpected dvr namespance?14:12
liuyulong_Or just create VM under dvr router, when it reach 2000 namespaces, bad things happen?14:12
ralonsohI commented in the patch, but maybe we should ask for a better bug description (in launchpad)14:12
liuyulong_And create VM in external network looks a bit strange to me...14:12
liuyulong_and coupled with dvr...14:13
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liuyulong_ralonsoh, yes, for the last sentence of the bug description, I don't know it is "should be" or "should not be".14:15
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liuyulong_For my understanding, it is "should not be"...14:16
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ralonsohbut it's just the opposite: if you have a VM in that compute node and a DVR router, this router should be there14:17
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ralonsohin this compute node, as it is now14:17
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liuyulong_"dvr routers is increasing to nearly 2000", we talked about the scale of the neutron last week, IMO, this exceeded the expected capacity for neutron.14:18
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liuyulong_"dvr routers is increasing to nearly 2000 on a compute node", sorry, it is for a single node.14:20
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liuyulong_OK, any other bugs?14:22
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liuyulong_No? Let's move on.14:27
liuyulong_#topic On demand agenda14:27
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ralonsohI have nothing14:28
liuyulong_I forget one important thing.14:28
liuyulong_Congratulations on joining the core team, ralonsoh!14:28
ralonsohthat's fantastic14:29
ralonsohI've been working in OpenStack since 201514:29
liuyulong_Yes, you are good at it. : )14:30
liuyulong_maybe you can help pushing this in: : )14:32
ralonsohadded to my review list14:33
liuyulong_OK, let's end here earlier today, my connection to freenode chat server is not so much stable.14:34
liuyulong_ralonsoh, thank you.14:34
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 21 19:01:05 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at
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SotK#link Agenda19:01
SotKI don't think there's anything to announce19:02
SotK#topic Migration Updates19:02
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fungino news here that i'm aware of19:02
diablo_rojoI havent talked to any one in a few weeks19:03
diablo_rojoI will do another round of pinging once things settle a bit more for me19:03
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SotKthank you :)19:05
SotK#topic PTG + Forum19:05
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diablo_rojoI really think we could get a lot of acceptance if we can get the search times sped up a bit19:05
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SotKthat certainly is the thing which causes immediate pain at the moment I'd say19:07
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic PTG + Forum19:07
SotKdo we have any updated slow query logs?19:07
fungino, i was hoping to find time to run a fresh analysis, but have not yet19:08
fungii still have notes from the one corvus did so should be able to repeat that19:08
SotKnice, if we get them I can try to find some time/energy to have a go at speeding things up if mordred doesn't have time first19:09
fungiokay, i'll try to work that up this afternoon and post a link in #storyboard19:10
SotKgreat, thanks!19:11
diablo_rojoI will keep poking at him, but I think it would be best not to put all our eggs in one basket.19:12
diablo_rojoSo if you have the time..that would be legit.19:12
diablo_rojoMany hands make for light work or something like that19:12
fungijazz hands make for peppy work19:13
SotK#topic PTG + Forum19:15
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SotK#link Etherpad19:15
SotKis there anything to discuss about this vague plan?19:16
fungii think there's enough outlined in it to work with19:18
diablo_rojoPlease feel free to make tweaks to the forum proposal19:19
diablo_rojoI think using the forum for the user onboarding and the PTG for contributor onboarding will be enough19:20
diablo_rojoand makes sense19:20
diablo_rojoI already did the request for PTG space too19:20
SotKyeah I think it makes sense as is19:22
SotKhopefully the contributor onboarding goes well :D19:22
diablo_rojoThen as soon as forum nomination open I will get that submitted.19:22
SotKnice, thanks19:22
diablo_rojoSotK... I kind of expect a small group...if any, but I hope I am wrong.19:22
fungiwe can probably make do with a closet19:23
* SotK feels similarly19:23
fungijust get them to move the brooms out of the way19:23
SotK#topic In Progress Work19:25
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SotKanything to discuss here?19:26
SotKI'm afraid I've not had time/energy to do anything on storyboard since the last meeting a few weeks ago19:26
diablo_rojoMe neither.19:27
fungii think we can just take this opportunity to all absolve each other from feeling guilty for not having time to make progress on things19:27
diablo_rojoI have a few small things on my todo list that hopefully I can have up in the next couple weeks19:27
fungiaaaaand... done ;)19:27
* diablo_rojo feels guilty but will try to continue to ignore it19:27
* diablo_rojo judges herself more than others19:28
SotKI do the same, just try not to worry about it is my approach :)19:30
SotK#topic Open Discussion19:31
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SotKanything else?19:31
diablo_rojoEhhh...did we ever get the last of mkarray's patches merged?19:32
diablo_rojoI feel like no19:32
diablo_rojoCan't remember if I had to do something for them..19:32
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SotKwe didn't, I think its my fault19:33
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diablo_rojoSotK, not having time isn't your fault19:33
diablo_rojoIt happens to all of us19:33
SotKheh, I just meant its waiting for me19:33
SotKwell anyway, I'll try to get to reviewing them soon19:35
diablo_rojoCould have just as easily been waiting on me lol19:35
diablo_rojoSotK, sounds good19:35
SotKI think they're pretty much ready to merge from what I remember19:35
SotKso it shouldn't be a big task19:35
diablo_rojoOther than that I got nothing else19:35
SotKin that case lets finish a bit early19:36
SotKthanks for coming folks :)19:36
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fungithanks SotK!19:36
diablo_rojoThanks for hosting SotK!19:36
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timburke#startmeeting swift21:00
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timburkewho's here for the swift meeting?21:00
rledisezhi o/21:01
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claygalecuyer: been a minute; hope you're doing well21:01
alecuyeryep, doing good thanks!21:01
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timburkeagenda's at
timburkefirst up, some openstack news21:02
timburke#topic U cycle release naming21:02
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timburkethe poll's done! sorry i forgot to mention it last meeting21:02
timburkewinner is: Ussuri!21:03
timburkemight still change, of course; still has to be vetted by the foundation and all21:03
timburkenamed after...21:04
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timburkeon to updates21:05
timburke#topic symlink-backed and s3 versioning21:05
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timburkeone of the pre-reqs landed:
claygthank you timburke and thiago for the comments, i'll get to work!21:05
patchbotpatch 633094 - swift - Allow "static symlinks" (MERGED) - 29 patch sets21:05
claygoh yeah, any last questions about hardlinks?21:06
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timburkeclayg's been doing a great job on
patchbotpatch 633857 - swift - symlink-backed versioned_writes - 16 patch sets21:06
timburkeanythign we should be keeping in mind there? upgrade considerations, interactions with other features, etc?21:07
claygdid I manage to get that where it runs with use_symlinks = true/false in the gate?21:07
timburkeyup, works like a champ21:07
claygwell, use_symlinks requires symlinks in your pipeline obvs - but it'll ignore the option if it doesn't find it21:07
timburkeit's nice that you've got some tests that are use_symlinks-specific so i can look for the skips21:08
claygoh good21:08
timburkeclayg, i guess my main question above is, if you're rledisez, do you turn it on?21:09
rlediseztimburke: that's a good question21:10
timburkeand for rledisez, what can/should we do and communicate to help you make that decision?21:10
rledisezand the answer is at that point I didn"t look much into it which is bad, so I can't really answer21:10
claygwell there *is* the difference with the bytes reporting of new data all moving under the x-[history|versions]-location21:11
timburke...which has impacts on container quotas21:11
timburkei *think* it makes them a little easier to reason about, though? *shrug*21:12
timburkeclayg, anything else we can do for you? or are you just blocked on reviews?21:13
claygi *was* blocked on reviews - but I got two just today!21:14
claygso i'm good for now21:14
timburke#topic py321:14
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timburkewe're down to one more patch to get all of func tests ported!
patchbotpatch 675227 - swift - py3: Finish porting func tests - 4 patch sets21:15
zaitcevThose are mostly easy. I'm still a little concerned about a mixed cluster and migration21:15
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timburkethere's one pre-req ( to getting most of probe ported
patchbotpatch 671167 - swift - py3: fix up listings on sharded containers - 4 patch sets21:16
patchbotpatch 671333 - swift - py3: (mostly) port probe tests - 2 patch sets21:16
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timburkezaitcev, true -- i think there's going to be some headaches there...21:16
timburkewe've come a long ways, though -- thanks everyone for helping out!21:17
zaitcevMaybe we can have Matt look at , track down the types for all the variables again, in case.21:18
patchbotpatch 671167 - swift - py3: fix up listings on sharded containers - 4 patch sets21:18
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timburkemattoliverau, got time for it?21:18
mattoliverauoh yeah of course, will look at it today!21:19
timburke#topic lots of small files21:19
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timburkealecuyer's back \o/21:19
alecuyerhope everyone's doing good :)21:20
timburkefwiw, we here at swiftstack have been doing some testing with it21:20
alecuyeryes Romain told me ! That's great. He also told me you had issues, not so great :/ if you can point me at stacks or a way to reproduce I'm happy to try and see what happens21:20
timburkei should harangue swifterdarrell into coming back on IRC and talking more about it21:21
alecuyerI saw one paste where it would fail to rename a file to #d21:22
timburkei was just looking that one up :-)21:22
timburkei should also try to get you a merge from master soon... sorry, it's been a bit21:23
timburkeis there anything the rest of us can help with, or that we should know about?21:24
alecuyerI think that's the one yes, so I have not seen that before and don't know how that would happen but hm I'll re-read the code there21:24
alecuyerwell quickly: we're finally moving a couple of machines to use native golang leveldb (vs wrapped C++ lib). hasn't blown up yet, haven't seen if the CPU usage decreases as much as I hoped. I'll tell next week!21:25
alecuyerand the grpc to http patch "works" (passes functests)21:25
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alecuyerI still need to write "streaming like" functions for a couple of ancillary functioons (for listing all quarantined objects for example)21:25
alecuyerthat's it from me21:25
timburkefwiw, i think we'd done some more investigation on the traceback and found that there were some concurrent writes going on, so the non-durable file got deleted before it could be made durable21:26
timburke(i wasn't the one doing the investigating, though, so this is all second- or third-hand; sorry)21:26
alecuyerOk I'll have to think what happens in the regular diskfile case and see if we match behavior. happy to discuss it out of meeting if you wish21:26
alecuyersure thanks for the info anyway :)21:27
timburkesounds good21:27
timburke#topic sharding21:27
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mattoliverauI've pushed a new version of the cleaving empty shard range patch. Which timburke has already looked at.21:28
mattoliverauHaven't really looped back round to auto sharding stuff yet.21:28
mattoliverauSo not too much to report21:28
timburkemattoliverau, sorry, i've hijacked your auto-sharding slot a bit -- i should probably change the title in the meeting agenda ;-)21:28
timburkei think clayg had a look too21:29
mattoliverauno prob at all. It's keeping me thinking about it. so all good :)21:29
claygjust trying to wrap my head around it21:29
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mattoliverauyeah the cleaving functions become a little inception like.21:30
timburkei'll see if i can take a deeper look soon, but it probably won't be this week21:30
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mattoliverauEsp when you want to add a "that doesn't count" down a rabbit hole :P21:30
timburkei also wanted to call out -- i think it could improve root container responsiveness/availability a good bit21:31
patchbotpatch 675014 - swift - Latch shard-stat reporting - 4 patch sets21:31
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timburkethat's all i've got21:33
timburke#topic open discussion21:33
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mattoliverauI'll add it to my list of reviews to try and get to today after a billion meetings21:33
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zaitcev_I asked about this before, and you sent me to URL that I promptly lost... But now I'm looking here:  and it does not say when the branches are going to be made for projects.21:34
timburkethanks mattoliverau :-)21:34
timburkezaitcev_, looks like for stein, thebranch was created at the same time that i did the release:
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timburkenotmyname did a similar thing for rocky:
timburkequeens had a gap of like 5 days21:37
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zaitcev_Is there going to be an RC1 on our part? Or do we just tell them clone a random commit from the trunk and use that?21:37
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timburkethat's more or less been our existing procedure. would an RC help you? i could look into it... or just make more releases21:38
zaitcev_Well, my manager wants to micromanage. But I'm fine21:39
zaitcev_One other question.21:41
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zaitcev_I see you filed
openstackzaitcev_: Error: malone bug 1840507 not found21:41
timburkei mean, we've had ~50 commits since 2.22.0 ... new features, py3 fixes, slo fixes, symlink fixes, correctness improvements... i could totally justify a 2.23.0 ;-)21:41
timburkeheh. yup21:41
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zaitcev_Weren't we supposed to migrate to some other bug tracking site for Stein, called "Storyline" or some such. Has that happened or not? Or you're just defying OpenDev?21:42
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timburkestoryboard. i've still got concerns about performance21:43
timburkei'm not really opposed to moving, but this feels like a notable degradation from launchpad to me:!/project/openstack/swift21:45
zaitcev_"Firefox detected a potential security threat and did not continue to If you visit this site, attackers could try to steal information like your passwords, emails, or credit card details."21:46
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timburkeeh, just add the exception -- you weren't going to put your credit card on there anyway ;-)21:47
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timburkeanything else to bring up?21:48
zaitcev_not for me21:49
timburkeall right21:50
timburkethank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift!21:50
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